Why EV uptake in UK is stalling and the government must abandon its ZEV mandate
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- EV sales in the UK are slowing and manufactures are having to quickly introduce more PHEV and hybrid cars to their model ranges. Meanwhile, the UK government is sticking with its ZEV mandate, which is crazy. Here's why.
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All these mandates are going to do is force people to keep their older cars longer.
Which is a good thing as it's more environmentally friendly.
Which is actually a good thing
That’s what I’m doing for sure.
My two daily drivers are 1960 and 1973 :)
@@user-rs5er5yv7r- True, but the government will simply make it uneconomical to keep old cars running. Hike road tax to £8,000 per year. Raise fuel prices. Could you afford to pay £5 a litre? Make the MOT more stringent and a 6-month not annual requirement costing £300 a time.
Rich buggers won't care any more than they do now, but ordinary motorists will be told to either comply or *uck off.😞
When it is £42,000 for an Electric fiat 500 or a new Mini we have a big problem. Ordinary people cannot afford it.
£22,400 for the fiat and £27,400 for the mini, quick search on autotrader.Nobody pays list price or maybe you do.
£27,935 for the equivalent petrol mini.
@@Yorkshireasaurus£15k buys a lot of petrol
Your not meant to.
Good point but your missing the point, your not meant too. They want us ordinary people off the roads.
The same British govt that has dithered for the last 15 years over nuclear power plant proposals made 20 years ago? This country is run by absolute clowns.
Yes, but they do a lot of Arts degrees between them.
Careful what you say about sir Kier these days, you might be thrown in jail.
And over 100 years to ban asbestos even though it was proven toxic to humans in 1899. Great legacy UK government.
@@brianlopez8855 for the arts council read STAR council. They are into critical theory. The arts have always been about interpretation of the real world. Ways of seeing...take the arnolfini arts gallery in bristol. All about feminist theory and critical theory. They are political theorists.
And held hostage by the eco-warriors et al.
Not one single thought spared for the environmental realities driving this push. No off-setting of the costs mentioned with the costs that pollution puts on all of us, including, for example, healthcare.
Shhh! Counter arguments of the most important variety aren’t allowed
Seems to me the biggest obstacle will be that those in government will never ever admit they’ve made a mistake.
I can see them pushing this mandate on despite knowing they made a mistake and let the people sort their mess out themselves
They know it's nonsense. They always have. They're doing this for other reasons than the obvious. Ask yourself where this is leading.
Especially when MPs don't use them. Wonder why that is?
They are tyrants, following orders from tyrants.
To be fair, it was the previous government that introduced the mandate. Whether the new government will change anything remains to be seen.
EV's should be small cars for town and city use, not 2 tonne monsters.
Cool: you're for banning all Range Rovers and all other Exec 4x4's from Porsche, Jag, Merc, BM etc etc? Well said that man.
Most of them are a lot more than 2 tonnes. Just what's needed for efficient, sustainable transport.
Sounds good to me
@@rusty911s2yes, ban all those immediately
Anything with a 200 mile range will satisfy MOST people's day to day needs. So the battery doesn't need to be huge and heavy. It's people's insistence that they need a 500 mile range SUV is causing the behemoths.
Breaking news! The government hasn't got a kin clue what it's doing.
Update! Neither had the previous one.
They know exactly what they are doing it's just not in our interests
The govt don't have a clue the climate is going to be way more out of control than anything else anyway. I know nothing
@@Butlins14 You're absolutely right, they know exactly what they're doing and they did it on purpose. This is a clear revenue stream for the government. They always knew that the targets won't be met and it's exactly what they wanted.
Or maybe it does. Which is the scary prospect behind this blatantly foolish scheme.
Utter incompetence, beyond pathetic ' the damage this government are going to impose onto the mass's of our once proud nation is mind blowing.
er, it's a Tory mandate
@@danieldonaldson8634..let's not let the facts get in the way of a Farage inspired rant...
@@danieldonaldson8634 Tory and Labour, same level of incompetence on this issue
@danieldonaldson8634 yep sure was but labour have brought it forward by 5 years , we are decades away from it if at all.
@thelord7878 I guess we shall see won't we.
We will be like Cuba, keeping 40/50 year old cars running for normal people's needs
The government will ban parts first!
I've just rebuilt a 35 year old Mazda; it will see me out unless they ban the fuel to drive it..
Good luck keeping most cars built since the GFC running for more than about 15 years - almost all cars are built to be consumable now - no doubt a garage industry will flourish to repair failing electronics and so on - but almost anything German built since about 2008 for example - it's just going to reach a point where it's impossible to keep it going.
@@Beer_Dad1975 just changed the oil and filter on my 2004 volvo. car feels 10 years younger lmao.
modern cars feel so plastic and cheap I hate them. feels like when you get given the knock-off xbox controller.
Yup. Two 34-year old VW's here, still fully (and cheaply) servicable now, and for the foreseeable future.
Seeing what the UK Government is doing at the moment, they will probably double down on it and bring it forward. Also I see all the manufacturers doing massive amounts of pre-registration's to avoid the fines. Car parks full of unwanted EV's.
Job losses coming. JLR just opened 2 plants and design centres in India. Solihull and Halewood WILL close in 5-6 years. INSIDE FACT
Agree. Mania.
Madness!
Edit: (The government is mad, not your comment! 😂)
The SMMT latest August 2024 sales figures of used battery electric cars rose by 52.6% year on year to take a record quarterly market share of 2.4% with nearly 46,800 transactions.
Maybe you guys should have a referendum. Been a few years since you've had another own goal.
I've got a 10 year old VW golf bluemotion only done 45,000 miles , £20.00 a year tax , good mpg ,so I will be keeping it as long as I can .
Congratulations?
Same, any diesel Nissan Note gets 72mpg.
if it's a GDI make sure you put a bottle of injector cleaner in every full tank or it won't last you another 5. Ask me how I know.
Good for you, I'm guessing you still have a Motorola flip phone too?
Snap - except mine is eight years old and has done 110k miles, suits my needs perfectly, routinely 60 mpg, did 75 mpg over 300 miles home from the lake district last year, still drives as well as it did when bought for £14k six years ago with 19k miles. And doesn't have a cheap and nasty 'ipad' dashboard. All the car I'll ever need... hate the idea of having to change it one day.
The economics of private motoring for ordinary people have become absurd in recent years - I'm not a conspiracy theorist but if I was, I'd LOVE this racket. 🙄
Once again, the Government telling us what we can and can't do. One clueless government replaced by another.
I am glad they did with the smoking ban. This is no different to ending fossil fuel pollution.
@@dappergent9422 you can’t drive at 70 past a school gate or tip industrial pollutants into a river. Meddling government again. What a nonsense argument.
@@alanthomas9369 Eh???? You do realise that politicians exempted themselves from the smoking ban?
@@alanthomas9369 We could be using CO2 neutral, non-fossil fuels for decades now. German government taxed them to death. This is why we still use gasoline and diesel.
So you don't want government to make laws?
If everyone is using "cheap overnight electricity" it won't be cheap for long.
There is no evidence that this will happen. Just because you think it doesn’t mean it will happen. There are times during the night when my electricity is free because there is too much power available in the grid which they need to get rid of.
I'm not sure what the utility costs are doing in the UK. But, in the US, there's been a very appreciable increase in electric rates across most states relative to where they were just 4-years ago....and we've seen only a fraction of all road cars replaced by EVs so far.
Damn straight, they’ve decided the EV car owners are going to pay road tax very soon, EV ownership is a massive negative to the owner and the environment, we are being told a complete pack of lies
Don’t tell the 🐑 that. They’re too gullible.
have you eared of solar panels?
Harry, the voice of reason. Most politicians have never had a real job or understand the real world unfortunately.
His logic isn't perfect. Suggesting that PHEV are the answer for a lot of people, whilst also arguing that those same people won't buy EVs because they can't charge at home. Well who is going to pay to charge a PHEV at a super expensive public charger when its electric mode effective MPG cost is worse than using the built in ICE!? It means most PHEVs will act as HEVs. This is why the government isn't incentivising PHEVS as much. The government needs to work on street charging for areas without driveways, with similar kWh costs to home charging. I have an EV (with home charging fortunately) and it is better in every way than an ICE for an everyday car, I would never go back.
Harry thinks hydrogen makes sense. Hydrogen as an energy storage medium consumes 15 parts of energy for each 1 part you get back. Hydrogen makes even less sense then EVs, which is a real achievement. EVs are worse on the environment then ICE (see Simon Michaux). Over half of all aluminum produced is created with electricity generated using coal. EVs and green energy exist because they want us to not have vehicles and not have a decent standard of living. Global warming is the most easily debunked nonsense that's ever existed. Anyone who thinks it's real never bothered to look into it.
yep
They have no idea when i drive to work
when i could just use a taxi and throw it on expenses
More of them have now than at any point in the last 14 years, fingers crossed there might be a bit more logic floating round…
That applies to government employees as well.
I'm not sure the UK government are capable of thinking
Of the British people and what is good for them and the future generations.
If only there would be a Union of different nations where they would discuss certain issues like this together so they can develop a normalized solution that suits most of the members requirements.
One can dream...
News Flash all politicians are clueless.
They are not.
We get more thought from cats, the countries gone to hell.
Totally agree Harry. The problem is we have an arrogant Government who will not own up to their mistakes so they'll just plough on regardless.
They are being suitably rewarded back their backers.
Apart from this was devised by the previous government and has only come into affect this year...
When was the last time you saw a government 'wake up' and admit they have made a mistake - they just bring in more laws, and more laws......
What mistake? EV owners love them, 90% saying they'll never buy petrol again; a commercial fast charge market is bringing fast chargers everywhere; new EV prices are converging with new petrol thanks to scale achieved with tax and other incentives. Air in cities is getting cleaner; we're less reliant on Saudi and other overseas oil than we would have been
@@WillBecker so all the people living in apartments or terrace houses, without garages or secure off road parking, will need extension leads trailing out of their windows down the street if they want or need to have a car ? The future maintenance of this high tech crap when it starts going wrong will be unaffordable to most when can't be claimed back as 'business expense'. You sound like someone who voted Labour and reality is on a different level.
@@WillBecker Problem that EV charger companies have is that vast majority of EV owners prefer to charge at home, If USA does not have the electrical capacity and money to install EV public chargers then who will have. There is no money to be made by companies spending megabucks installing chargers when people can ignore them and charge at home.
@@lawrenceholden5716 the maintenance costs of BEVs are FAR lower than petrol. What I sound like is someone who drives an EV and knows what it’s like to live with one.
@@WillBeckeryou saw in the video it makes perfect sense for some to have an ev, but it's not so easy or clear cut for a large portion of society. That's the issue with the government's mis assumption that a blind ban in 5.5 short years will be workable
How to completely destroy the automotive industry in the UK!
Too late, the Chinese EVs are coming
They want to destroy ICE cars and their garages. Then they'll switch off the EVs to control the electricity supply. Ai is a heavy electricity user.
@@therighthonsirdoug there isn't one
tbf there never was one
I think you’ll find British Leyland already did that about 50 years ago and then global carmakers fed on the remaining scraps
Everything is stalling in the UK. Not just cars.
You cannot stall all EV... 😂
Funny that. Why do you think it is?
Absolutely everything. I haven’t been able to get it up since the tories lost
Thanks, this was probably the most interesting and informative program I've seen on this subject yet! I wish all politicians in UK and EU would watch this video and start thinking rationally instead of ideologically. As Harry says, let the engineers come up with the solutions instead of those ignorant and incompetent politicians.
@@psevenson The engineers in China have come up with a solution and they’re about to flood Europe and the US with cheap, high quality, high performance EVs which will outperform anything else. Legacy carmakers have failed to invest in the new technology and will be wiped out. The few billion that they’ve invested with government help is nothing compared to what’s needed. China is the biggest car market in the world and already over 50% of new cars sold there are EVs. Legacy carmakers are having their arses whipped there and soon will here too. A tariff barrier can’t hold back the flood that’s already coming.
@@dominicgoodwin1147 I don't think so. Chinese engineers are not magicians. All the points that Harry brings up in this video are relevant and will not be solved by China flooding the market with cheap efficient EV's, even if they could.
How dare consumers purchase what they want. Obviously the government knows better…
Let the Engineers devise the solutions and provide the vehicles that consumers want.
@brunodesrosiers266 Because we do not need the govt to get involved in our freedom to buy a car. If you want communism, go elsewhere.
That ship sailed away a long time ago. Because without government intervention no-one would buy focus sized cars with 1.0 liter engines or VW's with 1.2 TFSI cars that exploded after 60-80k miles. There is intervention since the 60s and in the late 70s and also late 2010s it gave us really unreliable cars..
No it absolutely does not!!
Correct, in this instance the government knows better than you and the average consumer. The average consumer doesn't care enough about climate change to voluntarily buy a non-polluting vehicle, so that means we need to outlaw sales of new vehicles with internal combustion engines.
The sales of EVs are mainly driven by the tax benefits for employees working in companies! As soon as they get taxed on these vehicles; which will come especially with this Labour government the sales will fall on their backside! 🤦🏻🤣
As of next April in the UK, private ev owners will be paying the same rates as ice. £190 per year base plus the "expensive car tax" if your ev is over 40k list then be prepared for £600 per year!
@@Micky8791 Which is absolute nuts given EVs are about 10 -15K more expensive than the equivalent ICE. It is a disincentive to buy EV. For EVs the "expensive car tax" should start at £55k.
And they would usually have a second ICE vehicle too for longer journeys, just encouraging families to have more than one car. That’s never going to make it environmentally friendly.
@marquisdemoo1792 I would argue they should remove all incentives on EVs or anything else for that matter. As Harry says let engineers develop the solution, that way we would get not just cars but everything more efficient, but most importantly for the end user we would have something that was actually better than the thing we are being told to replace (in this case the 2.0 diesel). Then we wouldn't be wasting taxpayers' money forcing people into stuff that just isn't progress!
@@stonemarten1400 Why would they usually keep a second car just for long journeys? The cost involved would be huge (purchase, RFL, depreciation, insurance, maintenance) , there are plenty of EV's that will do 300 miles on a charge and then re-charge to 80%+ in < 30 minutes if required.
I'd like to see incentives to cut vehicle weight and size, a bit like what Japan has with their K car bracket. I'm sick of these god awful monster SUVs everywhere.
It's utterly mad how EV designers go "aah, people want 300+ miles to a charge... I'm going to have to make cars with the frontal area of the hindenberg to achieve that".
@@williamstrachan Well it's not EV's is it? Plenty of little / medium EV's out there. Not only that but a Tesla M3 is no heavier than a well specced three series. My i3 is lighter than a Golf. Plenty of massive SUV's all the way back to the early 2000's: Land Cruiser, Range Rover, RR Sport, Tourag. It's a huge list.
I drive a 2018 navara and it’s massive for small roads of connamara Ireland here roads are shite people are vaccinated and drooling all over the road and we have cyclists it’s disgusting they use the road I pay a 1000 tax a year to drive on
@@Nigelk388 So tempted to try the reverse ChatGPT prompt on this comment.
Why not make small cars with estate boots? 👢
As a retired farmer I, and many others have found it better not to follow government policy and avoid being bitten some time later! Great presentation Harry. PS I know farmers who have taken the Golden Milkshake & naturalization incentives for the minimum periods then resumed " normal operation" thereafter!
A car company CEO in 1999 siad " if the motor vehicle was invented today, i doubt the governments of the world would alow us such freedoms."
The government would die of happiness if they could ban cars
Keep drinking the coolaid. Been sold a lie by the auto/fossil fuel industries. The one hundred year marketing campaign has worked so well people celebrate a tarmac covers counties where kids can’t play outside their houses and public transport is crap. Local shops shut so you cannot walk to buy things.
@@thinfourth gulags, 15 minute gulags whilst private jets fly overhead.
for years after the invention of the motorcar, the law required a person walking in front of the car waving a flag to warn everyone. We are in so many ways much more freer and better off now than 120 years ago.
You need to think about what a car company CEO's job is. It is certainly not your future or a countries future. His job is making number go up for the next quarter.
So the super rich can keep using their private planes, yachts, super cars and other toys …. Heck, fly to the moon if they want …. Then I think they should force us in to EVs …. Particularly Mrs Smith who does 3 miles a week to the post office 🤡🤡
The rich people are the ones that can afford expensive EV's but they also get tax breaks if they have a company car or are a director .
Its always been the way.
@@IpodGuy2000 better technology doesnt exist though does it
Wake up people! They don’t want us on the road.
Mrs Smith who does 3 miles a week to the post office is probably better served by a vehicle that doesn't cost four-figures a year to just own and maintain tbh. She needs a better alternative to driving.
The UK government needs a fucking wake up call. And for that matter most governments who have this hatred of cars. Their entire approach to cleaning up the environment when looking at the entire picture is downright suspicious and laughable. Not to mention the fact that governments should stop having this "we rule the people and you will do as you are told" approach, they work FOR the people.
They hate the native working classes too
@@paulie-Gualtieri. They also hate pensioners..
Speaking as a "Native working class white male" and a pensioner, speak for yourselves Brexit boys. Bigotry alive and kicking in the UK.
@@paulie-Gualtieri. We were mandated to 2035 but then that working class hero Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson off the top of his head, went for 2030. Anyway I'm surprised people like you aren't queuing up to buy a Tesla and support Elon Musk and his Nazi fever dreams.
@@ianworley8169what's Brexit got to do with Evs
Everybody laughed at Toyota and Honda for not having EVs. Now they're laughing by not putting all their eggs in 1 ebasket
Everybody? I applauded. I was appreciative of Honda for not ditching their values.
Meanwhile Chinese EV brands replace Toyota and Honda in the Asian market....
R.I.P JLR
Toyota have an EV development program and so do Honda. Everybody who knows anything is laughing at YOU.
Toyota and Honda?
They’re thrilled about the market share loss due to falling behind on his, are they?
The speed at which China flew to number one auto exporter in the world was startling. And of course, in the maaaassssive market that is China itself, Chinese automakers are doing even better than that
Government needs to be dramatically reduced... not gas engines.
The sooner people realise that govts are not there to help their people, the better.
Unfortunately no matter how many clues people get, a huge number will always remain brainwashed sheeple believing voting makes a difference and that the government exist to serve the public.
They are their to help their people it's just we aren't in charge
Martin this is just the BS that is being proliferated around the country right now.
Exactly I think people on both sides of the left right paradigm are starting to understand this !
Who and how do you think Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc are helping? How is this controlled? Why didn't you stand for selection to your local preferred party and become an MP? It's much easier spending your time on the internet posting this tin-foil hat balls.
People will be forced to drive older cars for longer, though those cars will receive increasingly higher tax rates and high charges for entering the ever-growing ULEZ zones. It’s almost as if the lower classes are being pushed out of motoring… meanwhile former budget manufacturer KIA releases a new £70 grand SUV!
and dont forget a likely massive increase in fuel costs to 'incentivise' you out of your ICE powered car.
I have a couple of old cars, tried to get a new electric one and turns out my old cars are parked in front of an old house with an old fuse box and no 80amp fuse. Cost to get the house up to speed BEFORE paying for the charger to be fitted was going to be £1500 to £2000 and involve Power Networks, British Gas my supplier and an electrician. Getting Power Networks to fit the fuse after would take 6 weeks after the other work and before the charger people. 5 different companies including the subcontractor for the charger fitting. I already had to make one complaint to a customer care department and nothing had been fitted.....
To cut a long paragraph short ... NO. Would cost £3500 or so in total before any car.
There must be thousands of people in the same position.
The lower classes have always been pushed out. Not everyone can afford a man with a red flag.
..also, if you're buying any new car, are you really in a position to call yourself poor?
No. The lower classes will end up having to drive used Nissan Leafs, while the upper class will still be driving around in their V8 Range Rovers. p.s. Just checked on Autotrader and the cheapest Leaf is £2100. It even has a Heat Pump !
A friend of mine is an industrial electrical engineer, he claims if 25% of the people on his street had electric cars there is not enough to supply all the houses and charge vehicles and that's taking into account the vehicles being charged at different times of the day..
exactly. You need about one Megawatt of energy flow to refuel a BEV in a similar time to petrol.
Or you could literally power hundreds of households.
Literally nonsense. For most of the day, we are nowhere near the grids capacity, especially overnight.
@@gavinwhite9743 too bad the rush hour isn't "overnight".
If only we could produce fuel ovenight for our EVs. Oh wait, the technology already exists, it's called fuel cells.
The actual *National Grid*, who know what they're talking about, have said it's not an issue.
@@JohnBaxendale lol, we'll see about that when every village "gas station" will draw 4 Megawatts during rush hour :).
A work colleague has a Mercedes Vito van, it's a 2016 and when i say it's mint, it's immaculate. He's a diesel mechanic, has had it from new, low mileage, it's faultless, immaculate. The dealer he bought it from contacted him recently, offered him £2000 for his van trade in towards a new EV Vito. Cost, £52k. Fifty Two THOUSAND pounds. Give you a guess which option he chose.
That's the going rate for an old van. He can continue to drive it for as long as it runs. Autotrader has delivery mileage Vito EV`s for 25k. Car dealers are not honest people imho.
Basically they offered him the deposit wereas its probably worth £9/10k.
Was the reply ? **** off!
By any chance?
@@jozsefdebreceni9911 Which is fine as most vans don't do much mileage.
@@tonyedgecombe6631good point! 😮
You can’t force people to buy something they don’t want. A U turn is imminent.
Really?
Do you recall the recent ‘medical intervention’ and how many buckled under that?
You credit the ‘bewildered herd’ with too much intelligence
@@user-fd7ju5sb6b I completely understand your argument; however, there were no direct financial costs to the individual then (you had to go looking for the cost if you wanted to find it and most people were too distracted with stimulus cheques to do so).
Forcing people to stump up 5 figures for a car they don't want during a cost of living crunch is going to hit a lot harder though.
Yes, they can. they are giving you 10 more years of freedom, after you have only 1 choice
No, but you can prevent people buying things which are bad for them.
The move away from ICE vehicles is driven as much by public health as environmental concerns. The two just happen to align in this case.
I can guarantee they will tax fuel ridiculously to get people to buy them. Next budget October this year. You wait☹️
Glad you didn't miss out on the tax incentives. Nothing pisses me off more than wasting tax payers money to bribe well off people to have a nice £60k++ car on their driveway, must have spent billions on this over time.
True but a ton of other stuff is subsidized too. In the USA oil is heavily subsidized, has been for a century.
The cost to treat respiratory disease in the UK makes that subsidy look tiny
But cut winter fuel allowance, yet following stupid net zero, corrupt and immoral.
@@lawrenceholden5716 do you think a multi millionaire should get winter fuel allowance?
My in-laws got it and they were in Spain for the winter
Ironic that Stammer is criticising Musk about X statements of civil war - whilst simultaneously providing Musk massive subsidies through Tesla.
A logical, sensible, and polite critique of this nonsensical government policy. Harry you're a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you for this lovely informative content.
Our politicians think all they have to do achieve something is make a law about it and it will happen. They simply do not understand the complexity of achieving it. Harry understands it, so please pay attention to him!
It’s already being achieved in China, they’re over 50% this year and they’ll meet it with a market many times bigger in a bigger country.
@@stopstopp Yeah well theres not much different between China and the rest of the worlds polices these days.
@stopstopp that's because that's a country where you do what the government say/want, end off. We live in a democracy, with freedom of will/choice, and when it comes down to it, the vast majority of people in the UK don't want overpriced stupid EV's. Simply saying the manufacturers must sell this many EV's is a stupid approach. Manufacturers will make and sell what people want to buy, and that's not EV's.
@@kevinhutchison3922 we don't live in a democracy, your vote will not not make a blind bit of difference...
@@peppemberton9948we live under an occupied government that doesn't have our best interests at heart.
Governments and politicians are so out of touch at the moment.
like this channel - wake up and look whats happening around the world.
@@kevinashurst634you what??
@@kevinashurst634 We're reaching the end of the jewish-american global hegemony and things are going to get a lot worse before they give up their grip on power. An out of touch rich boomer complaining about cars is going to look very silly in a few years where we are going.
Probably not top of Starmers "To Do" list today !
It's not so much of them being out of touch it's more of it deos not fit their agenda.
100% EVs by 2030, are they drunnk? 😂
Just mad with power.
100% new car sales by 2030. No-one expects all cars to be EVs by 2030.
The mandate specifies the minimum proportion of car manufacturers' sales that must be zero-emission vehicles. This will increase from 22% in 2024 to 80% by 2030, and 100% in 2035
As a previous Taycan owner, the depreciation really hurt. I have heard how a car is not an investment and petrol cars also depreciate etc but no car I have ever owned has dropped in value as much. Added to the fact the odd longer journey frightened the life out of me, queuing in a line for fast chargers was not pleasant all led me to believe the wish is probably 10 years ahead of the ability. Electric cars are still very much in their infancy and the newer improved models will always smash the residual values of older versions and its hard to accept that if the Govt doesn't help subsidise it.
Feel for you, they are good value now, 2022 4S Porsche approved for 42k must have been 100++
You should sue for anything below the estimated end of lease payments for customers who bought the same time
The EV dream is just a dream. A complete fiction.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Isn't the recent depreciation of EV prices mostly due to a post covid price correction? If so,, they will probably depreciate much more slowly in future
They benefit the well off.
If you can't plug in at home, Plugin hybrids are just as hopeless as full electric cars. For sure you can drive it around all the time on the petrol engine, but you'll use more petrol lugging around a mostly useless battery and motor, and you paid a lot more money for it.
EVs are great for mostly city work, but in a city in the UK how many people would have room to fit a charger for their own car?
@@alastairward2774 Honestly, e-bikes are great for city work, as long as you have decent infrastructure. We would be half way to solving our problems if we cut out those less than one mile journeys.
Regenerative braking is easy enough to master and it will charge a depleted battery so it becomes a hybrid so not pointless. Easily gain 5 miles of charge which would have been lost as heat in the friction brakes. I hired one and drove through the city on the charge gained from slowing down without heavy use of the foot brake.
@@alastairward2774 London has streets where every lamp post has a charge point on it.
You will own nothing and be happy!
nobody ever actually said that.
"You can see there is not a car behind me" Apart from a row of classic cars
@@kevinashurst634 get familiar with the World Economic Forum and what Klaus Schwab is, or rather was, propagating.
Exactly !! And moving freely in our countries will only be for a chosen few.....15 min cities.
EU is just a new version of the USSR...run by the same evil.
@@kevinashurst634- yes they did.
remember: it wont be the manufacturers who carry this penalty madness in financial terms, but us ordinary consumers
No it want mate, Not buying anymore new cars. run my diesel for ever.
@@garethmayfield4014 good lad thats real environmental friendliness ,just keep what works
Don’t buy a new car, simples.
We should let the public dictate the market not legislate products out of existence
Plus Global Warming is a scam!
Admirable sentiments and I agree entirely but I sadly think that the overall plan is to decrease car ownership. This government will be one of the most anti-car in our lifetime, and I don't think they will either admit they are wrong, or be able to endorse the common sense in this video, as they just don't want us having private transportation at all. Makes me very sad.
Why do you think that is?
Makes sense, sounds like the real reason behind this.
@@meofnz2320 All the evidence points to it
@@johnmclaughlin1377
What I mean is: what would be their motivation? The government is just made up of private citizens with their own families who would be similarly affected by any legislation they create. If their goal was to decrease private car ownership perhaps there is a good reason? After all it’s hardly going to get them votes.
@@meofnz2320 very simple, it falls in line with their socialist views. Nobody owns anything, totally beholden to the state. Thats what Labour and socialism is all about. Most people dont understand what voting labour really means and what they stand for. They dont want the people to own anything, including your house.
I am a private tenant, I am never going to fit a charging system to a house I can be made to leave at the whim of a landlord. The landlord won't fit a charging system to the house. Catch-22 for electric systems.
I know a few EV owners who just use a standard 13a domestic plug charger from when they arrive home to when they leave again the next day. Works for many doing around 100 miles or less a day which is the majority.
@@scott_aero3915 if you have a driveway/garage then you’ll probably be fine using a standard 3pin domestic plug socket. Few people really need fast home chargers.
The issue is charging options for people who don’t have parking access attached to their property.
That's easily fixed with legislation but it's blunt instrument as people will have chargers who don;t need them and will end up in the rent....
Have you asked your landlord? There are grants of £350 towards install.
Just save up and buy one of the many millions of cheap affordable houses..... O wait. 😂
Don't expect this government to listen to anyone. They will just carry one doing what they are doing and ignoring everyone else...
It’s the last governments policy
@@BEGGARWOOD1 It doesn't matter who is in charge, they won't change anything. Manifestos and promises mean absolutely nothing. It why the Tories got kicked out...
Uptake is stalling, because we dont want them. Simple.
Well said Harry but as a diehard petrolhead I'm proud to have just taken delivery of my new sports car and I'm keeping my 4 year old hot hatch. Remember the diesel promotion! As a self employed tradesman I was far happier driving a petrol transit but we were assured this rattly smelly diesel was the way to go. I doubt if petrol will ever disappear. Thanks for another great production.
I still have my 20 year old diesel as "approved" by Tony Blur................but now am told its too filthy for the world and I must bury it in a hole, and spend an arm and two legs for a new ev..................keeping an old vehilce running is way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than constructing a new one.
Diesel cars never had 5k taxpayer funding. And those 20 year old diesels have lasted too long and USA industry couldn't compete so we had to have #vwgate based on NOx nonsense.
Here in France the BEV’s are much cheaper for comparable vehicles in U.K. Plus there is huge investment in charging stations nationwide and that is ignoring the Tesla dedicated charging network. UK government needs to wake up to the real world!
I live in France... In a village of 2000 I have never seen an EV... In the town we see one from time to time.. otherwise there are the 'polished turds' ( hybrids) around - to escape the ridiculous 'malus"..
People are keeping their old vehicles forever..
Actually there's very little difference in price between French and UK priced EVs or Hybrids. That's from a little Clio up to a Taycan. The French do buy more cheaper priced models than the UK, and often home grown (including Dacia). As for the network, fine in big cities and motorway service stations (albeit famously long queues during the crazy August weekends), but I'd have to drive 15kms to my nearest charging point (vs 1km for diesel). And just yesterday I drove 350km south into the Alpes Maritime. 150km on the motorway, 200km on an a-road. Door to door without refuelling. I didn't see a single charge point along that 200km stretch, which was a hilly, twisty 70-90kmh battery intensive stretch (versions of which are all over France). So someone would have to be very diligent with their planing not to run out of juice. EVs in big French cities and using the Autoroute is great, elsewhere, I'd be very nervous.
In my country nowadays a some normal petrol station have ev charger.
About prices your averege poorer person cant afford neither a new ice or ev
Most ev buyer are still business owners,tvde/uber drivers and upper middle
What is the point about having a nice cheap car in France? When your new car will just get dinged and scratched up in a parking situation in the city 😊?
Sorry but not true! As an example my new Tesla 3 Performance cost €55700 which is £47,500. The new price of this vehicle in the U.K. is £60,000 that’s a whopping difference and the difference is part funded by french govt interventions allowances.
As for the charging network in France the Tesla dedicated network is often shared with other marques. Very rarely a queue but if a station is busy then certainly in a Tesla it will guide you to another that is less busy. We travel all over France from our base in Provence and the charging stations are plentiful even in the Alp Maritime region.
As an unashamed petrol head, I love everything about my V8. Engine noise when pushed, purr when cruising, feel, build quality, comfort and a joy to drive every day. In todays terms it worth relatively nothing, albeit in mint condition. Eventually and EV for the Mrs for local use makes a lot of sense in 3 or 4 years time. But the V8 is here to stay forever! I hope.
The Flying Scotsman was a great train too. I loved the sound and the steam and the smoke ... all part of the experience. When I was a child my mother would shout at me for standing on a bridge directly over the railway when a steam train would pass underneath. I loved it, being enveloped with smoke and noise! But I suppose she was thinking about having to wash my clothes. And in those days the panic of a sudden rain shower when there were wet clothes on the washing line wasn't that they would get wet but that they would get dirty again from the soot smuts that came down with the rain. As a child my chest wasn't so good but it got better when we moved from the industrial north of England to Scotland. The newer diesel/electric and then all electric trains were never quite the same. Funnily enough, despite the nostalgia, I don't think we should go back to those steam days though.
They also conveniently forget to mention the devastation caused by lithium mining.
Wait until you hear about oil spills.
As for lithium -the biggest mining nation is Australia.
Each tonne of lithium requires 2200 tonnes of fresh water in the production process
People are dying from global warming
the standard figure is that one tonne of lithium uses 2200 tonnes of water. But a 70kw battery like in a Model S only has 63kg of lithium in it. Do the math and you get about 1400kg of water.
But petrol also takes 5 times its volume in water to extract and refine. If you bought 1500 litres of petrol a year for ten years (about the life of a battery), that's 7.5 tonnes of water, so in that category, the lithium has less than one sixth the impact.
But of course, if you burned more petrol to go further, your impact would be proportionately worse with petrol, and the same with a battery. Since a litre of petrol produces about 2.5kg of CO2, 37.5 tonnes of CO2 would also be produced....
And finally, lithium can be recovered; once a car battery reaches end-of-life, it's still fully useable, recoverable, and has many applications.
@@danieldonaldson8634 WEll done for debunking that one 🙂
This is what you get when clueless people set targets irrespective of the market trends and the laws of physics. Things are now catching up and they will soon get a reality check.
Market trends are irrelevant. Our climate can’t wait for people to “come around”. Having said that, the answer to environmental responsibility is far bigger than just EV’s.
@@TML34how exactly do you make a difference?
@@TML34Lol
Just lol
Clueless people… see Politician.
@@TML34 Your personal authoritarian urges, inclinations and imagination won't change how the market is going.
"Market trends are irrelevant" - Irrelevant how?
If you put your boots on the necks of consumers and use force to compel them to do what you desire is what you mean, isn't it?
What emission are produced by the battery manufacturers? And what happens to old batteries from EV's when they get recycled? What is the impact on the planet for these processes?
You're not supposed to ask that question. Politicians and others who push this agenda either don't know or don't care. You are just supposed to follow the mantra and magic will take care of it all.
THIS. The question that noone really asks. The battery production process and inability to recycle batteries are so much more damaging to the environment than driving a 1.5L petrol car. Unfortunately, this will only appear on the agenda when the waste batteries problem will become too big to manage.
That question gas been answered by many learned bodies the RAC for example. Read their report on it, freely available online. Spoiler alert.. evs start their CO2 redeem point after about 7 years I think it was. Remember also there's a difference in mining and manufacturing to churning out noxious gases at street level where we all live.
@@icy_swoosh No, wrong. The environmental cost of disposing ICEs and EVs are about the same. Recycling EOL batteries is happening.
I didn’t realize UK departed from EU on this, and in such a ridiculous way… wouldn’t surprise me if in a few years we start seeing major manufacturers simply abandoning UK…🤔
Hopefully all of Europe leaves the EU at some point, so we can repair the damage done by those money mad ideological lunatics.
Our government needs to remember we are a small country and in the scheme of things must be a pain to supply, R/HD and cars need shipping .
The original EV mandate was announced by Boris Johnston in 2020. Need I say more?
The government have said it wants closer alignment with the EU where it makes economic sense. This looks like one of issues to me. It's a lot of hot air about nothing.
@@EgoShredderthe opposite is happening. The UK, now with adults in charge again is drawing closer. Wait to see what happens in a second labour term.
The UK is making a huge mistake here. It's going sideways in Canada and the US as well. The EV mandates will never work because the premise of electric vehicles only will never work. It's all these governments meeting and determining all of this stupidity. They should stay out of the way.
The Government is under the control of the WEF. Just look at robots Trudeau Starmer and Biden
In the US, EVs are an absolute slam dunk. The infrastructure exists, you can go literally anywhere within the 48 in your Tesla effortlessly. You cannot extrapolate the problems another country has and say it exists everywhere. Simply based on Canadian infrastructure. I agree it's going to be a lot more difficult to make EVs viable outside the major highway routes
Manufacturers are telling dealers to buy pre-reg EV cars, dealers then sell the car at a loss but still make profit because they don't get the £15,000 fine. This is why dealers can't afford to take in EV part ex due to pressure to sell new.
Welcome to Orwell 1984
@@Smile342 fucking hell mate calm down 😂
@@ted_maul China makes a 🤣🤣
That and the fact that used EVs depriciate quicker than anything else.
The manufacturer gets the fine, not the dealer
Anyone I know with an EV has 'bought' it through either a business or via a salary sacrifice with their employer. No normal person wants or can afford these cars! A challenging number of years ahead I think
Sounds like 20 years ago when diesel was so popular due to low BIK.
Well I didn't: very happy with my EV thanks, and no way would I go back.
I bought a 6 month old ex-dem 2000 miles driven electric car for 55% of retail, fully warrantied and as first owner. Have charger at home (12p per kw) and get 220 mile range. Incredible value and convenience.
The ‘normal’ isn’t likely to have money to buy the ice equivalent either though.
Glad not to be normal. Bought a cheap Leaf secondhand on PCP a couple of months back. It suits my needs.
Engineers instead of Politicians - Yes Please...
Engineers drive EVs
@@nathansmith7153 In the past Engineers and Architects drove Citroens.
The Sydney Opera House designed by Jorn Utzon with a DS Safari.
Harry Seidler DS, CX & XM.
It was announced yesterday that Citroen would be pulling out of Australia after 102 years. The first car to drive around Australia was in 1925. A 1923 5CV.
@@nathansmith7153 Not this engineer!
We can count on Harry for some sense. I have personally had an EV for 10 years. As he says in the video, if you can charge at home overnight and the range is suitable then, and I quote, 'buy an electric car right now'. If not, enjoy your ICE car and let's hope the gov comes up with some more realistic plans.
Totally agree Harry. The one big issue I have is that we seem to be pushing EVs despite the charging network being nowhere near where it needs to be.
Those that don’t have driveways or live in flats/appartments have go no way to charge an EV.
Backwards thinking.
Apartments
Charging network is amazing! Massive rollout. When I got my EV 4 years ago, there was one or two at services. Now there's 6, 12 24 or even more. It's increasing year on year by 50%
Our government doesn't want you in an electric car, they want you out of your car completely. Don't expect Starmer to backtrack on this anytime soon.
Oh grow up. The endless regurgitated conspiracy theories get very dull after a while.
@@smorris12 There it is...the mindless regurgitation of the globalist 'weapon'...and utterly oblivious to how they are controlling you.
@@smorris12 They probably would be dull if they didn’t keep coming true after a given period of time.
@@smorris12let's call everything I don't like a conspiracy theory
Nicer way to go about it would be investing functional public transit and ensuring that cycling is convenient.
Even as a car enthusiast I find that cycling and going by bus are nicer ways to go about than sitting in traffic.
Well said Harry and thanks for posting this video. I think we can say two things for certain, we will all not be driving electric by 2050 and sustainable fuels/BioFuels/E Fuels compatible with the combustion engine must be made available and affordable for all. You are 100% correct in that it's time the ENGINEERS took charge of this issue and remove it swiftly from the POLITICIANS. ✌✌
And if you pay all that expense extra for the “washer dryer” of cars, if you do have home charging, then 95% of the time you’ll be lugging around an engine that never gets used and costs a hefty sum to service.
If EVs don't work how do we know Bio/eFuels work?
@@TT_1221you understand bio fuels produce CO2 right?
Synthetic & bio fuels will only ever be niche.
@@mattwebb5532 Bio-fuels alone can achieve up to an 86% reduction. If all carbon generating activity on the planet achieved that we'd be well on the way. What about the Private and Corporate Jets, Super yachts? Now Billionaires Musk and Besos are even making space flights orbiting the earth while the rest of us are being forced into EV's.. 😑
Another example of politicians telling lies.
Glad we have people in your position calling the government out on this, however the government are so out of touch with the average person in the UK and are very unlikely to listen. I truly believe nothing good will change when the government is full of a privileged class of people who have never financially struggled in their lives.
They don't serve your interests and they aren't even accountable to you, so why should they be in touch? They're doing their job just fine as per serving the interests of global finance. It's just crazy how some people still complain about things like cost of living and the economy without ever seeing the bigger picture.
Aye, instead let's listen to a millionaire in the media. He'll be fair and balanced!
@@intenzityd3181 They should be serving the interests of the people and not purely their own interests. In my opinion they are not doing a good job at governing, they are very good however at pushing rubbish like "save our planet" just so they can take more money from our pockets.
@@intenzityd3181 If you believe that then you'll believe anything. Amazing that there are still people who don't know how politics works in the UK. I'm sorry that the school system has failed you.
God save us from meddling politicians.
I'm not sure fantasy deities have such power.
It should be illegal for any politician or gocery official to own or travel in anything but an EV.....for the planet.
You’ll all missing the point. The government don’t want you in a car. If the government takes over the trains then they need the public to use them. Pay per mile is coming!
Setting targets to force an outcome doesn't work. The NHS being a prime example.
It does - we banned lead in petrol, we banned CFCs, we made smoking very expensive and very difficult. There is no right to drive an internal combustion engined car.
@@kevinashurst634.....and the NHS? Also, your examples above are global. Now Broken Britain is just a tiny island going downhill😢
It is cart before the horse, they are the wrong targets. If CO2 is an issue than decarbonise the grid before making the transition at scale. The only realistic way of doing that is a long term shift to nuclear, not giving over high yielding agricultural land for solar farms.
@@kevinashurst634 why did they let us buy them then ? dont talk like a communist just because its what you want
@@IndaloMan Those examples above weren't global but for everyone pulling in the same direction (eventually). Algeria was still using leaded fuel in 2021, and general aviation is still using the stuff (with way more lead than 4 star) though is working "hard" to change that (the "safety culture" in aviation means that any changes take decades, which is why most light aircraft use carburetted engines whose design was locked in around the 60's).
What is the UK’s contribution to global emissions? Low single digits, why are we being strong-armed to purchase EVs when we’re barely a drop in the bucket.
Under 2% and China building coal fired power stations every year, its a scam and so many are falling for it!
The price of EVs is high to reduce the number of cars on our overcrowded roads.
Agree, this seems a bit rich to foist the emissions noose on customers here when they don't even contribute that much; while some third world countries with a billion polluting vehicles get to keep going on their merry way, emissions be damned.
1.1% in 2022
I'd guess shade under 1% now.
Oh, and it's not that we're being strong armed. The new Labour Government makes the outgoing government look like rampant petrol heads.
If only we could keep politicians out of our life.....
Agreed, they plead to us to vote for them so they can serve us….a week after the election results are in …they are our masters.
The car manufacturers will just pass that fine onto the consumer. Cars will just go up by 15k and you’ll pay it because the car you have will either be banned from entering the city or they will outlaw making replacement parts for it. This only ever hurts the consumer. Incentives didnt get the results they wanted so now they are switching to taxing us again.
We love a choice in the UK ......forcing us to drive a EV is stalinism
No one is forcing you to drive an EV. You can buy your last new ICE in 2030 and run it indefinitely. Yes I am sure they will allow new engines for old cars. Just like you can use a Nokia 3210. But you won’t, just like we all chose to go to smart phones we all chose spend more on the better solution. But unlike smart phones, there are already EVs similar cost to iCE and loads coming that will be cheaper. Add in cheaper running cost (about 1/10th fuel cost), less servicing, better performance, more reliable, longer warranty; Everyone will choose to change anyway. Ok so yes we all know one person that still runs a flip phone and that will be true for ICE vehicles too (Harry is clearly one of them) but that will be the exception.
The mandates are purely to nudge the slow legacy OEMs to get on with it, because if they don’t, China will sweep the board with good affordable EVs. It’s probably too late already ( It’s not like when Japan started in the 1970’s, Chinese EVs are already better fit and finish than legacy oEMs) but worth a go.
@@markgarnett3521Please take off those rose tinted specs. Yes, EVs will get cheaper but they are not and will never be that cheap to fuel for the vast majority of folk. If you can charge at home there will be a significant difference from charging at public charge points. But... Cheap overnight "off-peak" electricity will not be "off-peak" and therefore, by definition, no longer cheap. Given that cars consume way more power than the average household the day time will become off-peak. Then the folk who will benefit will be 2 car families where 1 car can be left at home to charge during the day. The poor will be stiffed again, even if they can afford a house with off street parking.
With current technology, BEVs are a seriously compromised solution. Other technologies need to be embraced.
@@idavidmcclune maybe … but you are not going to have more EVs than ICE vehicles for many years yet … most people will not go out and buy a new car immediately. In the meantime there will be developments in large scale power storage. Perhaps more important is the rate of improvement in battery technology, capacity, weight and charging times. By the time this is an issue you can expect charging times to be shorter and large capacity batteries to be more affordable. With those many people will not need to charge overnight and many will be able to run a working week without charging. The Chinese have already developed batteries which they are prepared to warranty for over 700k miles (see CATL million mile battery). When EVs are proven to be more reliable and cheaper to buy and cheaper to run, and with advances in battery tech, there will be few obstacles for most. People are not going to be forced to ditch their current cars by the UK ZEV mandate.
@@idavidmcclune EVs don't "consume more power than a household". That's nonsense. Average EV would consume less than 10kWh in a day. And off-peak will still be off-peak. They're cheap to fuel even now despite massively poor energy planning by the last few govs. As more offshore wind comes on-stream at 5p/kWh they'll become super cheap to fuel.
@@WillBecker Ev box says average EV usage is over 4,300kwh per annum.
UK power says average electricity usage for 3/4 bedroom home is just over 3,000kwh per annum. A 1/2 bedroom house is around 2,000. I'll happily retract my comments if you can show that EVs are significantly less electricity demanding than houses. Otherwise my statements stand.
Shouldn't worry about it mate. Governments are renowned for shifting the goal posts when it suits them.
I have little sympathy, the car manufacturers and other industries have gone along with this nonsense instead of speaking out.
Exactly. It’s crazy.
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Errr no the OEMs have been complaining constantly about it, it just falls on deaf ears
The governments biggest mistake is not taxing EVs, why?? They are clearly losing out in millions of revenue, that could actually be put to repairing the pot holes and resurfacing the worst roads. After all, the heavy EVs are adding to the damage more so than my 14 year old Fiesta.
I'll say it again and again: make a product interesting by itself, make it affordable/achievable on it's own. Don't set deadlines to outrule popular stuff, don't just subsidize random stuff. This doesn't resonate with customers and in a world driven by stock markets it's a recipe for unneccessary disaster.
It increasingly appears that "disaster" is the point of the policy.
@@geoded Yes, destroying the car industry and forcing people out of their own private transport is a dream come true for some, not a 'disaster'
Sssh! People might think you're suggesting that local manufacturers' problems are all down to them not making affordable, decent cars that people want!?! Of course we all know it's those dastardly crooked Chinese to blame!
As always government don’t listen just push ahead with badly thought out plans.
Harry. I love your channel. In fact, I love both your channels. I don't even have any particular reason to love Harry's Farm, but I do. I'm pretty sure you bring my blood pressure down. I think it's the sanity. Pure and simple, sanity, on a Sunday. Love it. Thank you.
Thank you Harry for making this video. Politicians please take note!
I’m 2 years in to a 3 year EV lease - did the same as so many people and jumped on the business tax breaks. Already looking at hybrids for the next car. EV great for 95% of journeys, but some of the 5%ers have been such a nightmare it’s put me off going full EV again. I would guess many others are having the same thought process - the 95% of journeys that I love my EV for remain for a hybrid, and I eliminate the 5% shockers - what’s not to like!
Foolish?
The horrendous service costs of a plugin hybrid due to special demand on oils and the complexity of having two drivetrains in one chassis.
@@DaRockCRX good point - I hadn’t considered that. Will try and do a deep dive this week into total costs over course of ownership
That’s not a fault of the EV though, that’s a fault of the charging network. Tesla has already proved that when you have a good, hassle-free and reliable charging network there isn’t a problem.
@@DaRockCRX A plugin hybrid uses standard engine oil. The torque converter is replaced by the electric motor which also charges the battery pack. Its actually less complex than a standard automatic. There isn't two drive trains & no extra service cost.
Used car prices are going to rocket.
I have not seen during the last 10 years any sign that power generation anywhere has been increased. Where are the news items that say a new hydro dam is coming, or pumped hydro for storage is completed ? What will happen is that there will be increased power cuts especially during winter as all those with EVs are busy sucking up all the power. In NZ there are already warnings that there may be power shortages during the coming spring. This is the biggest sign of total lack of thinking by governments and citizens world wide that I think we will ever see. All the solar farms producing electricity are doing it during the day whereas the EVs are sucking up the power overnight when there is no sun. I mean how can humanity get it so wrong ?
Harry says he’s producing more energy than he can currently use….did you not watch the video?
@@rdgodfrey3145 I watched all of Harry's video and all his previous ones. What makes you think my comment was aimed at Harry ? It was a general comment pointed directly at all the evangelical ECO 'experts' who have chosen to totally ignore the huge bear in the room ie where is all the new electrical power coming from to charge up these EV's ? I am sure Harry would tell you all to piss off when you roll up to his place with your charging cables out wanting a bit of his. Most 1st world countries are already seeing power shortages and it will only get worse as more EV owners plug in. I can see vigilantes wandering around the boroughs with a pair of large side cutters doing mischief to charging cables. Wind is no good - you can't just shut down business because the wind stops blowing on top of which what do you do with all the turbine blades when they crap out at 25 years. Same for solar - business's run at night time to. And since China makes most of the EV panels what do you think will happen when your country annoys China by not swapping wheat for solar panels. Actually I think they also make most of the turbine blades as well. If you want EV's fix the power grid first. And most of all stop making ridiculous comments and open you eyes to what is happening around you.
I have zero sympathy for the legacy car manufacturers. They've known what was coming for years, and instead of preparing they just tried to wring every penny they could out of motorists. Now they want Western governments to tax affordable Chinese EVs out of their markets.
Why put in the description "EV sales in the UK are slowing", then go onto to show official stats from the SMMT which say the exact opposite? BEV sales are on a classic new tech S-curve, it doesn't matter if the ZEV mandate is kept as is, modified or scrapped, BEVs will dominate the market within 10 years because by then they will be both the best and cheapest vehicles available.
Hydrogen and e-fuels? Hydrogen has already gone. E-fuels may be OK to keep classics on the road, but they'll always be too expensive for daily use.
Just dropping in a line like "10 year battery life" is one of the biggest problems. Followed up with hand picked shakey charging figures.
I think he was saying the manufacturers only guarantee them for 10 years max - I don't know of any companies that offer longer than that. Of course many batteries will keep working well beyond 10 years, maybe 20 years or more, but with diminishing capacity/range.
Yeah this was pretty poor from Harry, I'm a big fan but even a quick look at the actual data would say "10 year battery life" isn't a real thing.
You can't just say things like that Harry, you have a powerful voice, and hand picking things to make your argument feeds a negative narrative.
@@Hali88 How long is your engine guaranteed for in your car? How much does it cost to replace an engine in an 11 year old car, and does it make financial sense to do so?
My car is 11 years old, it's worth about £1500, and if the engine goes pop I'll buy a new car.
The whole "10 year battery problem" is a myth.
Nope,he said " the battery has a life and 10 years is kind of what people have...... again this is the problem, Harry influences a lot of petrol head's and they will take that as gospel and it's a million miles from the truth
CATL (who are one of the bigger battery manufacturers) are talking about a 1,000,000 km lifetime from their LFP batteries.
A lot of what you say here is spot on Harry, and can I agree that the one statement you make, about wanting ENGINEERS to make the solutions is something that I also want... and everybody should want.
I was industry way back when - the engineers would sit in a room begging us to stop the diesel bandwagon cos they knew they were horrid things outside of specific use cases - we'd tell them to shut up and build the damn things! Sigh 😢
Well said. Something I've advocated for years as an engineer. Tell the car manufacturers what you want to achieve and by when, and let them work it out. Politicians have no idea and should stop steering the ship in one direction coz that's the only solution they have.
I live in rural Pennsylvania, we see much less full electric vehicles due to range fears from mountainous driving and large average seasonal temperature changes ,almost zero charging infrastructure , and so many people holding on to their vehicles for longer periods due to the expense of the actual purchase with only massive depreciation expected. I had many thoughts and questions that were brought up in this video even though I'm not in the UK that seem to apply here. I too just can't see how it could ever work with politicians, not engineers or the public being educated on all aspects , making changes. Great video , thanks
the answer to question 'why are we missing the target so badly' is purely down to the ridiculously high cost of a new EV . If manufacturers want customers to buy EVs and avoid the £15,000 penalty per car sold over the EV quota , they should think about reduced the cost of each EV by a similar amount . They really can't justify the high purchase cost of EVs
Bingo! Of course, we have to assume the govt won't stick tariffs on Chinese EVs . but they wouldn't do that, would they?
The answer is simple. They are too expensive to buy and the public charging network is abysmal.
How many 450kW chargers are there in the UK? How many 350kW chargers are there? There won't ever be any at home. We also know that repeated fast charging reduces the battery capacity compared with slow charging. (Someone rightly mentioned EV's being worthless used. You cannot sell them without a battery condition report (surveyor's report for batteries).
And how much is a 450kW charger going to cost? 85p per kWh seems to be the average cost for a CCS charging. The last hotel I stayed in charged me 69p for an ordinary 7 kWh charger.
As for range - I was given a Jeep Avenger. New, just 1,500 miles on the clock. It came 86% charged and a range of 223 miles. I drove it in urban areas in Eco mode for 14 miles, which reduced the range to 203. I then drove 45 miles, a mix of motorway and A and B roads and the range reduced to 98 miles. The weather did not require any wipers, lights or HVAC at all. I drove a further 13 miles of A, B and minor roads and the range was 80 miles, and 40% remaining battery. Charging to 100% at the hotel took over 4 hours against a predicted 3 hours 27 minutes, and gave a range of 249 miles in Eco mode. (Eco mode restricts you to just 80 bhp).
When I returned the car having added a further 100 miles, the range was 125 miles and 57% charge. Had I charged it back up to 86% that it came with, at the hotel rates, that would have cost me a total of £37.00. A petrol version doing an easily achievable 40 mpg would have cost £27.00 and I could have filled it in less than 5 minutes. I wouldn't have had to move the car to the overflow car park to charge it. I wouldn't have had to trail out at 10:30pm only to find out that it still wasn't charged, or trail out again at 11:15 pm to find that it was and unplug it, and move it from the charger.
I was then given a Kira Niro PHEV. Again a 24 plate with 2k miles on the clock. It came full of fuel but only about 15-18% battery. The car seems to keeps itself at that range if you don't plug it in. The best MPG I saw was 112. Around town and on urban journeys it was somewhere between 72 and 82 MPG. On the motorway it was 46 MPG.
I did try to plug it in at the hotel overnight, at a rate of 77p/kWh, but even after phoning the helpline, they could not make the charger work. That is why people don't want EV's. Had the car been an EV then I would have been stuck.
It was fortunate that the charger didn't work, because to charge the 11 KW battery would have been at least £7, and the range is about 35 miles at best. The petrol that I put in it cost £6.23 a gallon and the car averaged 68 MPG. The petrol plus letting the car charge it's own battery is far cheaper than public electricity on an MPG basis.
The PHEV is also £6K more expensive than the mild hybrid version and the BEV version is £9K more than the mild hybrid. You will never get that money back, even if you only ever charge on "cheap" overnight electricity at home (they charge you more per unit for your normal electricity to compensate, so the headline 8p per unit is misleading).
Under the bonnet was like a kaleidoscope. The usual screen wash, brake fluid and coolant, plus oil for the clutch between the electric motor and the drivetrain, plus coolant for the electric motor. All extra servicing.
Hybrid and BEV is only good for town and urban driving. On the motorway a normal diesel is far better, If all you do is town motoring, then just buy a small, cheap, used petrol car that costs very little to run. You can leave on the street and in car-parks without worrying
For anything else just buy a diesel. I was given a Merc C Class estate. It had more power than the Jeep or the Kia and it returned 55 mpg to the Kia's 68. When I refuelled it, I just tapped my card on the reader, put the fuel in and drove away in under 5 minutes. That was at the fuel station that was cheap and there was no queue, unlike the slip road on the motorway to get to the services, let alone wait for a working charger.
Harry Metcalfe did a test with an I-Pace some time ago. My experience with the public charging network is that the problems that he encountered are still common.
Moving from horse and buggy to the automobile was fraught with difficulty but they managed it. They used to get about 100 yards to the gallon in those early petrol engines and the average sheep could run faster... 'nuff said.
Well done! I admire you for deciding to not only talk nonsense, but to "Go Large" as they say at McDonalds. Could you be more obvious than to ask why something that doesn't exist here isn't here yet? How about complaining that personal teleporters don't exist. Or stargates. Or lightsabres. The difference is every time you trolls say "Why doesn't [insert any old nonsense] exist yet?" it usually turns out that it already does. Like 350kw and 450kw chargers.
And when you say "we know" you mean "we haven't got a fucking clue". Repeated fast charging actually helps keep your battery healthy if you do it right. I dare you to watch the video on the link below where three identical EVs are compared and the one with regular fast charges has LESS degradation than the ones that hardly ever use it. Just like in MY EV where my battery health went UP when I changed how I charged it. That's called first hand experience which trumps second-hand bullshit all day.
Here's the link you are too scared to watch:
Three identical Nissan Leaf cars with battery degradation comparison
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Most domestic premises in the UK have a240v 25kW supply, The slow speed connection into the vehicle transforms and rectifies this to charge the battery.
It is possible to upgrade this to a 3 phase supply which will provide a minimum of 75kW across 415v. However this will need to be connected to the vehicle as regulated DC, therefore requiring a charging unit in the house.
The supply upgrade costs around £1,000.
The exiting charging units as used for public charging points cost around £4.000, but without the need to have metering and accounting equipment, the charger should cost nearer £1,000.
If a couple of families decided to share the facility, a simple £50 meter could be added to work out who paid what.
What surprises me, is why railways do not install charging points outside stations. They have the necessary 720volt DC supply on traction, that is only used for less than a minute as a train passes through.
The chances are that our dim witted government have never realised it.
@@wilsjane I don't think you understand how electricity works. Your station argument is ridiculous. There has to be a constant supply to the overhead line. There isn't a substation that just supplies the bit of line outside the station and when there is no train there it has no work to do.
The problem with electric vehicle charging is that there isn't enough electricity in the grid as it is. Last winter there were threats of the lights going out, and people were being paid not to use electricity at home at peak times. If millions of people start plugging in 25 or 75KW chargers when they get home, how will the grid cope? If you turned on every appliance in your home at once, it wouldn't come to 25KW, and who turns on everything at once? And what about people who do not have a drive, or a garage, or even a parking space outside their house? And what about the gross lack of public chargers?
@@trevorberridge6079 There are no 450 KW chargers operational in the world. Everything that you write is absolute nonsense.
19% of new vehicle sales in July 2024 were all electric.
The problem was the mixed messaging from the previous government. When U.K. sales first hit 12.5%, it seemed like 22% in 2024 was a reasonable expectation. To try to win votes by pandering to the anti EV rhetoric, but set a challenging target for EV sales was bonkers and the car industry told them so.
they'll double down
100% certain. They're a cult. They don't just stop believing in their religion. If you object you are the problem not them
As opposed to the cult of fossil fuels?
China's building and firing up 2 coal powered power stations per week, it's like someone drilling hundreds of holes in your boat and you sticking your finger in one of those thinking it won't sink...... muppets
Some good points but using 2 miles / kWh is laughable when pretty much every EV on the market will do far better than that
depends if the vehicle is being driven in stop/start traffic or on the freeway. Also range drops significantly when driven in cold weather.
@@tomnewham1269 36,000 miles at 200Wh/mi here in a Model 3. The Seat Mii can easily get that down to 160 on local trips.
Sustainable fuels are grown in Borneo, that was after they cut down all the rain forest. That rain forest changed CO2 into O2, so not sustainable and pretty devastating all around, really.
Let’s hope Starmer makes the dinghies all electric? That should stop the invasion
With this government?! You have 0 ZERO chances to scrap the mandate !
Maybe you had some chance with the previous government!
So you think the government that introduced it was more likely to repeal it? What are you talking about?!
That was just the light version so also no chance, sorry
ffs, who do you think brought in the current mandate? Or is what you're saying is that you just need to wait for the Tories to toss out yet another PM?
The previous Govt ?....the same one that inherited a national debt of 1 trillion in 2010 & with much effort & dedication turned it into a 2.7 trillion debt 14 years & 5 PMs later...I think there are bigger issues for this Govt to deal with at the minute than EV's
The elephant in the room is, if we're expecting a 10 year battery life, where are all the materials for all these batteries coming from, and where are they going at the end of their lifecycle? Yes they can be recycled, but it's a massively energy intensive process. No one seems to have done the maths in terms of the environmental cost of producing, replacing and disposing/recycling of the batteries. It reminds me of when HMG was pushing diesel cars as lower fuel consumption = greener. 10 years later it was 'oh, particulates, we didn't consider that. Let's start taxing people out of the diesel cars we encouraged them to buy!' I suspect that at some stage there will be a similar awakening to the total environmental cost of BEV.
It’s never been about clean energy - it’s only ever been about back handers and cash 💴
Imagine how expensive it is! And whose hands those old cars will be in...which owners of end-of-life scrap cars can afford to even have the car transported to a faraway specialized EV scrapping center? Many of old European cars end up in 3rd world countries and keep them mobile...what will happen to the cars and batteries in 3rd world countries? How will they keep mobile after the supply of cheap ICE cars dries up and they have no hope in the world to keep used-up EVs going?
Who will pay for the massive, expensive specialized vehicle handling systems for extraction of the batteries from those up to 3-ton or sometimes even heavier cars? Who pays for the specialized staff who know how to safely extract each battery from each model of car? Who pays for the battery handling machinery which can handle every type of (very heavy and dangerous) battery, with every type of chemistry and materials?
We know that battery chemistry has changed many times over the past decade already, so people claiming that the material value will cover the costs can't be right. Already now the demand for certain materials has disappeared, and it's not like after all those costs even desired materials will be cost-effective enough to pay for any of the recycling.
I've said this for years: the clearest evidence of this being a scam which snowballed out of control due to bribery, false incentives and defects in our governing organizational systems: We have a simple recycling responsibility system for tires. When you buy tires the manufacturer has already been made responsible for paying a recycling fee for them, and is mandated to take responsibility for their recycling. It's already taken care of when the tire is sold: no loose ends! The bureaucrats and politicians know this system, they know it's worked for years in basically all markets. But they deliberately chose to forgo any such systems or even considering actually taking care of recycling of batteries (especially the costs) because they were paid (and pressured by their bosses who were paid) to push EVs By Any Means Necessary.
They pretend to be absolutely concerned with the environment, that the environment is all this is about...yet they don't implement the most basic, fundamental, existing, tested, known system for the most known problem area of EVs? That's not a coincidence.
We can see that the only goal was to push as much public funds and legislation to favor EVs and destroy all alternatives, in order to make Europe irreversibly committed to EVs...so that a certain huge nation can take over our automotive markets.
Recycling battery materials is well under way. As for all the other issues, there's no difference between EV and ICEs.
@@jonb5493 Don't lie to us.
Harry does know the best selling car in the world last year was a Tesla Model Y right? Not best selling EV. The best selling car of any sort. If someone invented a car now in which you had to lug around a huge tank of flammable liquid, they’d be laughed at.
Bu still most people prefer buying (or leasing) a car with a huge tank of flammable liquid, I wonder why? Maybe they don't care that Tesla drivers laugh at them.
The majority of those are company cars due to the low tax for having one as a benefit. This has led to a glut of 3 year old Teslas on the used market depressing used prices. You'd be mad to buy any EV as a private buyer, especially if you can't charge at home, the incentives are just not good enough.
Have you seen an electric vehicle fire?
@@_dude.. they’re extremely rare compared to petrol or diesel fires (up to 80 times less likely). So no I haven’t. I’ve seen loads of petrol car fires if that helps.
Can we compare that against all the small car models that, say Toyota, make? Because then Tesla is left in the dust.
Toyota gives you variety - Tesla doesnt - Model 3 or nothing.
This isn't just the UK. It's happening everywhere.