I have a Moving Target + Elemental Capacitor roll for Third Axiom and I have no idea of how fast I'll be strafing when using Stasis for the Elemental Capacitor. Like it will be SPEED
Pulse Rifles really feel like the perfect counterpart to Handcannons. Its a shame most of the current excisting ones are so difficult to get your hands on them as they're either in deep endgame content or RNG is in a boxfight with RNG. Gridskipper is definitly a pulse rifle we'll be seeing a lot though this season. Strong archtype, strong performance for its archtype and the perk pool is something else. Looking forward to see how many people will hate the " dad guns" spamming them with flinch this season.
@@matthew5200 yea i use it a bunch, its probably the easiest to use cause of the stability and clean sight. ridiculous when you have the supercharged battery
the one crucial thing to keep in mind about vigiwing: you absolutely need Vigil of Saint-14 to give it its full potential. both the base gun and the gingerbread gun ornament have the chunkiest ADS ever and detract from the weapon.
I just commented something similar about how The Third Axiom is useless due to it's scope/gun model. There's a bunch like that in the game, and it makes you wonder how nobody in testing said they absolutely suck to play with compared to cleaner glasses.
I would love to see SMG’s. We’ve recently gotten some newer good ones and I’d love to see how they stack up against each other. Always appreciate your content!
FYI, Time-worn spire can two-burst with One for All, which gives you the highest damage bonus of 35% and is easier to proc than you might think. If you are challenging a lane against multiple people, they tend to peek out and dip back into cover. If you have Armour-Piercing bullets, you can easily tag more than one person with a burst, and this thing fires pretty fast, so it’s a lot of bursts. Long story short, the third person to peek out gets a desperado treatment and you can keep that desperado for 10 secs. Right now these pulses are dropping like candy during Halloween from Iron Banner, so look out for one with Slideways or Subsistence or Moving target + OFA + Armour piercing + Mid-zoom scope. This pulse is not S-tier, but it is definable unique.
Even though I love NTTE and Vigi Wing, I might've even ranked Messenger alone in S but perhaps that's just because it suits my personal playstyle better. Also I think the notes at 15:30 are pretty important/insightful for anyone considering using a pulse rifle. Overall awesome video!!
Outbreak perfected is my favorite gun that has ever been added and simply just feels at home in my hands, its less competitive but has that quality of life flow to it.
got a high caliber, outlaw and headseeker Premonition that absolutely slapped in PvP but then they sunset it only to bring it back without the same perk I loved
It may come down to personal preference, but right now my favorite pulse rifle in the game is time worn spire, and I don't even have my God roll yet. I do have two that are very similar and very close and if I combined them it would be a god roll for me. For now the closest I have is a mid range scope (prefer the long range on my other), high cal rounds, slideways, iron grip, and handling mw. There is no damage boosting perk here, but with the high stability this offers in addition to slideways it is extremely consistent and reliable in every gun fight. I don't have even close to a God roll grudskipper yet, but from the few I've tried, I am not sure it will feel as good as the TWS. I am still grinding for that God roll so I have a good option to pair with the Chap when I'd rather use a pulse than my bottom dollar.
I used pulses for the entire weekend of Iron Banner. Cold Denial is my go-to. Feels so consistent and i absolutely love the sight on it. Though I recently went up against someone using VWing and he barely won the gun fight pretty much every time I went against him. Might give it a try. I also really like Time Worn Spire. Got some pretty awesome feeds with it. I love how mine feels, consistently dumps a lot of bullets down range. Tried Gridskipper but it just wasn’t doing it for me. Id swap TWS and Gridskipper on this list. Obv my personal pref.
With momentum control being back in the game... It'll at the very least be respected inside that playlist lmao. Grav was probably my favorite work horse before beyond light went live.
Time-worn spire can roll with iron grip, wich kills reload but you can reach +80 stability with that. It's like a laser even on controller. It's dynamic-sway levels of consistency Also, since you already have minimun reload, using extended mag has no downsides, and a reload mod fixes the problem
I just wish he did a bit more digging on each pulse before making the list. Cold Denial is probably the worst in its archetype because of the low zoom factor and it falls off at 31m meaning you are going to struggle against a properly rolled Palindrome and you don't even stand a chance against a 120 especially if they are charged with light. Stars should be in the A tier as it has a zoom factor of 18 and can maintain bullet magnetism out to 60-65m without a max range roll while the Cold Denial is whiffing shots.
Vigilance Wing has been a favorite of mine since it got hyperbuffed in S3. The optimal TTK can be achieved with just two bursts, you clean easily clean up a kill with a third burst if you screw up with the first two, the five-round burst in general feels super unique and hits like a truck, and the catalyst gives it the severely underrated full auto trigger system perk. Things like 120rpm hand cannons may be better on paper, but V Wing combines effective killing power with astonishing ease of use, and it’s my go-to primary in most PVP activities
I always preferred the energy one who’s name I can’t remember and am too lazy to look up. Worse stats, but I always seemed to do much better with it for some reason.
tunnel vision on the gridskipper is quite nice, I have the tunnel vision/multikill clip roll, and I love it. I gotta say though, I think heating up/multikill clip is the way to go, I *also have that roll with ricochet rounds and after a few kills, in tandem with the damage buff from multikill clip, it becomes an unstoppable lazer. For those of you out there chasing a roll, I highly reccomend heating/multikill clip.
Great list. The peek shoot potential of high impacts can’t be denied though. Peeking out and doing over a 100 damage at long range... I’ve gotten so many clean up kills with them, people just don’t expect to be hit like that.
might as well do this with every other weapon type. great work. I loved chattering bone but stars has been my baby but who don't love a despo messenger.
Hey Patty, great video! I landed Stars Shadow with surplus + kill clip, with a range master work. Surely that would be A tier or S tier? What do you think? Thanks again!
God, I love NTTE. A high impact pulse with really good perks, it returns rounds to the mag on headshot, and the little gun buddy greatly helps with suppressing fire and adds a ton of forgiveness when hitting bodyshots.
Hey Pattycakes awsome video 👍🏼👍🏼 Got a gridskipper that came with high caliber rounds, heating up and multi kc that imo is a A-tier but I can imagine you review them in there overall status
To me, pulse rifles feel like the best alternative to hand cannons in pvp and also generally feel a bit better in PvE. I really like using firmly planted, kill clip/damage boost pulse rifles on nightstalker, makes it really easy to proc flawless execution and hold down a lane or doorway. I also like using pulses with bottom tree golden gun for the extra stability and faster super from precision kills. I think I would rather use a hand cannon or auto rifle (Titan) on the other classes though.
back when I used to play ESL in BF4 and BF3 my faves were the AN94 and the M16A4 in BF4 speccially. timing pulse rifles in Destiny is a breeze, so V Wing is my most cherished weapon in the kinectic slot when I feel like going brain dead.
Honestly though - I hadn't tried it a lot since I masterworked it. But Cold Denial honestly slaps - I have a cool themed perk roll on it. Cold Denial /w: Killing Wind, Eye of the Storm, I put Icarus Grip on it and it has a Range masterwork stat boost. I didn't realize how hard it popped off, with Killing Wind active I was getting solid 2-3 shot kills to the head, with some fast 3 shot body kills. I haven't come across a pulse rifle that I actually like more. Currently trying to get some good rolls on Auto Rifles and Submachine Guns as I prefer auto weapons.
It is nice the destiny community is so helpful to new players especially this channel i just found , the game is super fun and I just finished beyond light as a warlock. I am glad no time to explain is ranked so high, I liked it even regardless, great video explaining too
16:43 + Thank you for making this point. It' has always seemed to odd to me how many Hand Cannon purists always sing the praises of using skillful weaponry when they are using the primary with the least amount of shots needed to connect, the highest aim assist, the best peek shooting potential and one of the best aerial shots in the entire game, and then decry Pulse Rifles as "Dad Rifles" requiring no skill.
I have at least 1 of all of these and Gridskipper is my absolute favorite legendary. It's consistent and nasty with Heating-Up and MKC - add Sprint Grip for the lower handling.
Man, the day you could start getting premonition at shadowkeep's launch I got a max range outlaw kill clip roll that carried me through hundreds of hours in the crucible, I miss being able to bring it out for trials, but i still use it from time to time in control :,)
Tunnel vision with Frenzy on Gridskipper is alot of fun in pve. Throw down a empowering well with Sanguine Alchemy and Devour ontop of it is a one man harvesting machine. Only prob is you run out of ammo pretty fast!
The gridskipper definitely deserves to be in the A+tier. The gun is amazing. I got a small bore, high caliber rounds, tunnel vision and multi kill clip. Plus, you can run the gridskipper and bastion together. I just wish the guns flinch like they should, but what ever.
Personally the Chattering Bone has been S tier for me! I used to run messenger on wide maps now I just run Chattering Bone for everything! (6v6 control mind you)…. I got opening shot and high impact reserves. Fast swap/ADS, fast reload, lightweight = move faster. Works for me as I run striker Titan with 80 mobility with glacioclasm. And I win a LOT of gun fights! I don’t have high caliber rounds but I think it must inherently cause some good flinch! I’ve been loving it! Lol
I have 13000 kills in crucible-trials with Graviton Lance is so good !! Vigilance Wing is my other favorite …sometimes The Messenger…. Have to look at it this way …use the weapon that suits you ……hand cannons ,snipers ,shotguns ,pulse rifles, auto rifles they all good weapons… use whatever make you feel comfortable in a match-game
Really great list. Totally agree with those S tiers. NTTE is actually ridiculous in PvP and I'm always so surprised (and glad) when it never gets a nerfed in new sandboxes. I don't even see many others use it.
Bad Juju is get with attunement of sky with its hip-fire grip. So much fun also the not needing to reload has helped me destroy people that expect me to after I kill their friend lol.
Im so glad i farmed my double perk cold denial all the way in arrivals. Arrowhead break/Fluted - Ricochet - Killing wind - Swash/Mkc with range masterwork :D
As someone who just got into D2, i personally love Bad Juju (especially for PvE)...However it's also good for PvP, if you get used to it. It can easily wipe a full team in 3v3.
Agree with this list besides stars in shadow I think personally it should be up at A tier especially with kill clip. Other than that spot on and great video!
Graviton Lance is easily an A tier pulse with it’s catalyst. Hidden hand grants +20 range and +15 aim assist, making it’s total AA 75 before target mods...basically it’s always going to crit, and it’s a guaranteed 4 burst from any distance, 3 burst before range drop off. Cosmology isn’t fantastic by any means, but you’d have to be really bad at Destiny to miss crits with Graviton. It’s A tier because it’s consistent, and I regularly out duel 120 hand cannons with it.
I have the God Roll Gridskipper and it's A- Tier, maybe even A tier. Arrowhead, Ricochet, Heating up, multikill clip. I get so many triple that are from heating up and I haven't had to reload to activate mulitikill clip.
Jian 7 by far my most favorite pulse rifle in PvP to date. We all have our preferences and for me it's just the best one. Sure I haven't tried all perk combos on all pulse rifles, but damn does it shred.
I'd absolutely agree with most of where you ranked these pulses but the problem is that a good number of these weapons can change tiers depending on what it's rolled with. The Messenger is an s-tier weapon so long as you have Desperado. Without it, it drops down into A-tier (even a "badly" rolled Messenger is still amazing though). I'd argue that a god-roll 540 is definitely an S-tier weapon (heating up, multi-kill clip for Gridskipper is s-tier and probably the best 540 in the game, IF you get that roll). I have a god-roll Time-Worn Spire with red dot micro, high-cal, moving target and iron grip with a stability masterwork. It's extremely consistent, flinches your opponent like crazy and it's the best 1v1 duel weapon I've used in D2. You do have to play around the inherent disadvantages of a 540 (most notably range), but a good player will know how to close the gap to get within optimal range. And once you're there, you'll out duel pretty much everyone. People just aren't ready nor expecting a 540 to be that consistent, coupled with the added stickiness and strafing speed that comes with moving target. I used it almost exclusively in Comp last season on my way to legend. Can't tell you how many 120's and Messengers I beat in Comp because of how dominant the weapon is in 1v1's. Couple that with the numerous damage boost's PVP has now (Whisper of Hedrons, Charged with Light builds and etc.), I was often two bursting my opponents with a 540. 540's in my opinion, are the best pulse rifles for aggressive, fast players and for those who often find themselves dueling others. It's a fantastic archetype.
I would swap Cold and Stars because of the range that Stars can engage at. Cold Denial has a zoom of 14 which is really low and makes it struggle to compete against 120's and DMT. Messenger (18), Stars (18), Sacred (18) and can roll with Rangefinder/Kill clip, No time (17), Premonition (18) all have a better zoom factor and without even a max range roll Cross was finding that Stars still had bullet magnetism at 60m and was securing a 3 burst kill while Cold Denial was taking 9 bursts. Cold Denial should probably be an A- or B tier pulse as it's got good perks and is deadly inside of that 31m range but if you can secure even a basic roll like I did with Stars with Firmly Planted and KC, a Sacred Provenance God Roll, a Nasty Messenger roll, or a nice Premonition then they will serve you much better than even the best Cold Denial. Not to mention that higher zoom means you can go for perks that correct your burst pattern. If you can't get any of these high impacts then No Time is a great starting point and it absolutely shreds people. I have to say that my Sacred Provenance feels the best though as it has the ideal roll with perfect recoil, high cal to flinch the enemy, rapid hit for blazing fast reloads even after one burst to their face if they decide to run, and kill clip to turn it up a notch after a kill (a range master work for good measure). If Cold denial had a 16 zoom factor it might be more deserving of a higher ranking.
As somebody who played high level competitive Halo in the EU scene, coming into Destiny PVP at the start of season 14, I tried following the meta and grinding out with Hand Cannons, which I’m good with. But man when I got my hands on my Adept Messenger with killing wind and desperado it took me right back to my Halo 2/Halo 3 glory days. When Desperado is activated it even reminds me of the double BR glitch in Halo 2 that would absolutely shred if you pulled it off at the right time. My only issue I have is I can’t run my Eye Of Sol with it and I’m still hunting for a god roll Frozen Orbit or Occluded Finality!
@@PattycakesGaming Funnily enough I actually picked up the quest from the Quest Archive this week, I’m on the final step of get sniper kills or streaks! I’m guessing it’s a good PVP option? The sniping in D2 feels so similar to Halo, it’s like I never left home. I couldn’t snipe for shit on CoD though.. 🤣
Great video and rankings. Good explanations. Also love how you are chill compared to some of these other toxic or yelling destiny youtubers lol. Subscribed 🙂
Pulses have always been my favourite. From d1 with Red Death, Hawksaw and Clever Dragon then going through the years of D2 with Bygones, Messenger ,Cold Denial and No Time i think its safe to say pulses have always been meta
Would you change any rankings? Watch my Hand Cannon Tier List next: th-cam.com/video/6LINfFs-65o/w-d-xo.html
I would definitely try a hailing confusion with elemental capacitor on a stasis subclass. It makes it really unique.
@@samuelcarter76 but then you get killed by a messenger and reevaluate your life
I have a Moving Target + Elemental Capacitor roll for Third Axiom and I have no idea of how fast I'll be strafing when using Stasis for the Elemental Capacitor. Like it will be SPEED
Hailing Confusion is such a good pulse. I have a Surplus + Wellspring roll and it SLAPS. The recoil is literally nothing and the kick of it is ZERO
I think Outbreak Perfected is an A-.
Vigilance wing is really underrated, I’ve been using it for pvp for the last 4 seasons. So good.
I've been suffering through trying to learn hand canons 'cause it's meta, but coming back to V wing always makes me feel a lot better about myself.
@@bluefletcherfish I'm both a hand cannon and V Wing main, they just feel great lol (I'm by no means a great player tho)
@@bluefletcherfish ive been using it for the past 3 years. And also recommend
Vigilance wing has never been bad in pvp
Just wish full auto waa part of the gun instead of being a catalyst
Patty: “Pulses can’t peek shoot”
Also Patty at 11:05: peek shoots with a pulse
It's possible to do, but best with high impact pulses
Lol but notice how he only hit about one shot per burst
@@PattycakesGaming I personally enjoy peak shotting with my Messenger. Dumping over 100 damge into someones head that quickly is nasty.
@@spray916 If you are peak shooting against a potato then yeah, but if you are peak shooting against Potato then you are dead.
Peaking is cowardly anyway.
Pulse Rifles really feel like the perfect counterpart to Handcannons. Its a shame most of the current excisting ones are so difficult to get your hands on them as they're either in deep endgame content or RNG is in a boxfight with RNG. Gridskipper is definitly a pulse rifle we'll be seeing a lot though this season. Strong archtype, strong performance for its archtype and the perk pool is something else.
Looking forward to see how many people will hate the " dad guns" spamming them with flinch this season.
I love me some Dad Rifles lol
I gotta Vigilance Wing on a seasonal reward exotic engram lol. It was my first one other than Riskrunner.
@@jasongibson1225 I run vigilance wing for pretty much every survival match
"Pulse rifles really feel like the perfect counterpart to Handcannons"
Crimson: *Why not have both?*
No Time is just so damn crisp to use. Add on some cheeky Arc Souls and your away haha
It would be hilarious if you make a video covering all trace rifles, would be like 5 minutes long
haha I'll prob save those for the next version of my exotic tier lists
@@PattycakesGaming Oh, I thought that you could maybe rate them in the Auto rifle video
lens coldheart wavesplitter effigy divinity when running cwl, swap coldheart and wavesplitter if not, done
@@DanieIQP wavesplitter actually slaps
@@matthew5200 yea i use it a bunch, its probably the easiest to use cause of the stability and clean sight. ridiculous when you have the supercharged battery
the one crucial thing to keep in mind about vigiwing: you absolutely need Vigil of Saint-14 to give it its full potential. both the base gun and the gingerbread gun ornament have the chunkiest ADS ever and detract from the weapon.
Nah
I just commented something similar about how The Third Axiom is useless due to it's scope/gun model. There's a bunch like that in the game, and it makes you wonder how nobody in testing said they absolutely suck to play with compared to cleaner glasses.
Pulse rifle dexterity mods and you're sweet to go
"This pulse rifle gives your enemies No Time To Explain why they ran their heads into your crosshair."
I would love to see SMG’s. We’ve recently gotten some newer good ones and I’d love to see how they stack up against each other. Always appreciate your content!
Autos and SMGs will probably be the next 2
UGH oh how I miss the days when I could bring my blast furnace to PVP. I LOVED that pulse so much
It was great. I used the same max-Stability Feeding Frenzy/ Rampage roll in PvE and PvP constantly.
I had a 97-range Feeding Frenzy / Kill Clip roll which was the *best*
Still can, just not trials and iron banner. Idk why people refuse to use sunset gear in the standard crucible...
I had the god roll for blast furnace and will forever be upset about sunsetting. Blast furnace and the recluse was a nasty combo i will forever love
FYI, Time-worn spire can two-burst with One for All, which gives you the highest damage bonus of 35% and is easier to proc than you might think. If you are challenging a lane against multiple people, they tend to peek out and dip back into cover. If you have Armour-Piercing bullets, you can easily tag more than one person with a burst, and this thing fires pretty fast, so it’s a lot of bursts. Long story short, the third person to peek out gets a desperado treatment and you can keep that desperado for 10 secs. Right now these pulses are dropping like candy during Halloween from Iron Banner, so look out for one with Slideways or Subsistence or Moving target + OFA + Armour piercing + Mid-zoom scope. This pulse is not S-tier, but it is definable unique.
Even though I love NTTE and Vigi Wing, I might've even ranked Messenger alone in S but perhaps that's just because it suits my personal playstyle better. Also I think the notes at 15:30 are pretty important/insightful for anyone considering using a pulse rifle. Overall awesome video!!
anyone else remember the Adept Blind Perdition in D1 YR3? hands down the smoothest pulse i’ve ever used they gotta bring it back
Outbreak perfected is my favorite gun that has ever been added and simply just feels at home in my hands, its less competitive but has that quality of life flow to it.
Same its the first gun that clicked with me aside from dmt without the catalyst
Stars in Shadow with Surplus/KC (and high stability perks) is incredible on controller.
got a high caliber, outlaw and headseeker Premonition that absolutely slapped in PvP but then they sunset it only to bring it back without the same perk I loved
This definitely makes me want to break out No Time to Explain and Vigilance Wing again. Gridskipper this season has been a blast!
I love the gridskipper
It may come down to personal preference, but right now my favorite pulse rifle in the game is time worn spire, and I don't even have my God roll yet. I do have two that are very similar and very close and if I combined them it would be a god roll for me. For now the closest I have is a mid range scope (prefer the long range on my other), high cal rounds, slideways, iron grip, and handling mw. There is no damage boosting perk here, but with the high stability this offers in addition to slideways it is extremely consistent and reliable in every gun fight. I don't have even close to a God roll grudskipper yet, but from the few I've tried, I am not sure it will feel as good as the TWS. I am still grinding for that God roll so I have a good option to pair with the Chap when I'd rather use a pulse than my bottom dollar.
I used pulses for the entire weekend of Iron Banner. Cold Denial is my go-to. Feels so consistent and i absolutely love the sight on it. Though I recently went up against someone using VWing and he barely won the gun fight pretty much every time I went against him. Might give it a try.
I also really like Time Worn Spire. Got some pretty awesome feeds with it. I love how mine feels, consistently dumps a lot of bullets down range. Tried Gridskipper but it just wasn’t doing it for me. Id swap TWS and Gridskipper on this list. Obv my personal pref.
Time worn spire is my favourite pulse of all time ( haven’t gotten messenger yet tho)
Randomly if you have it for vigilance wing,use the vigil of saint 14,it makes the sight alot better imo
Good ol' Graviton Lance deserves some love. :(
With momentum control being back in the game... It'll at the very least be respected inside that playlist lmao.
Grav was probably my favorite work horse before beyond light went live.
Graviton Lance is a beast right now, with energy accelerant and Warmind's Decree.
Time-worn spire can roll with iron grip, wich kills reload but you can reach +80 stability with that. It's like a laser even on controller. It's dynamic-sway levels of consistency
Also, since you already have minimun reload, using extended mag has no downsides, and a reload mod fixes the problem
For me gridskipper would be moved up to an A in mid range maps that thing is a beast with a good roll
I loved that high-level summary of the whole weapon category at the end!
I just wish he did a bit more digging on each pulse before making the list. Cold Denial is probably the worst in its archetype because of the low zoom factor and it falls off at 31m meaning you are going to struggle against a properly rolled Palindrome and you don't even stand a chance against a 120 especially if they are charged with light. Stars should be in the A tier as it has a zoom factor of 18 and can maintain bullet magnetism out to 60-65m without a max range roll while the Cold Denial is whiffing shots.
If you haven't already, I'd love to see a scout rifle ranked list
Dead Man’s Tale: S-Tier. MIDA Multi-Tool: A-Tier. Everything else: D-Tier. Sorted.
@@hobartpaving8986 Man, Jade rabbit is really good!
@@ThiagoTFA I do love the way the Rabbit feels. I just think using DMT or MIDA would always be a better choice, sadly.
@@hobartpaving8986 ay why my boy vision of confluence not a tier
@@hitherez_2925
Because it's trash
Get heating up on a gripper. It's the best pulse in the game. High impact reserves and heating it up makes it s tier easyyyyy
High impact reserves is s tier on a gun with >30 rounds huh? 🤣👌
Have two of these. They shred. Heating up is s tier imo.
As someone who mains no time in both pvp and pve, I'm glad that it's up at S tier. :)
I have been waiting for this since i asked you about pulse rifles and you mentioned use shotguns with them lol
Vigilance Wing has been a favorite of mine since it got hyperbuffed in S3. The optimal TTK can be achieved with just two bursts, you clean easily clean up a kill with a third burst if you screw up with the first two, the five-round burst in general feels super unique and hits like a truck, and the catalyst gives it the severely underrated full auto trigger system perk. Things like 120rpm hand cannons may be better on paper, but V Wing combines effective killing power with astonishing ease of use, and it’s my go-to primary in most PVP activities
The timewarp pulse rifle fron iron banner is good too im shredding with that
good stuff man, loving the new gridskipper pulse!
What's the spawn rate like on this? Haven't got one yet, but got every other Override weapon drop for me
@@benarchyuk837 I've got a 3 or 4 in about 20 runs of the activity
@@benarchyuk837 you can focus your engram on that umbral machine
F in the chat for my Outlaw-Rampage Go Figure. God I loved that gun.
I always preferred the energy one who’s name I can’t remember and am too lazy to look up. Worse stats, but I always seemed to do much better with it for some reason.
B stands for best, right?
YAY! another go-to tier list that I have to check out after getting the messenger G-roll from last weekend. I've been SHREDDING people with it
tunnel vision on the gridskipper is quite nice, I have the tunnel vision/multikill clip roll, and I love it. I gotta say though, I think heating up/multikill clip is the way to go, I *also have that roll with ricochet rounds and after a few kills, in tandem with the damage buff from multikill clip, it becomes an unstoppable lazer. For those of you out there chasing a roll, I highly reccomend heating/multikill clip.
They need to bring back black armory weapons I want my god damn Blast furnace
I still find myself using Redrix even now in regular crucible. I wouldn’t mind getting an exotic version of it in the future.
As I started playing Destiny 2 my favourite one was Gravitation Lance, before Sunsetting my absolute Favourite Pulse Rifle was Go Figure.
Great list. The peek shoot potential of high impacts can’t be denied though. Peeking out and doing over a 100 damage at long range... I’ve gotten so many clean up kills with them, people just don’t expect to be hit like that.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE‼️ looking at all the rankings videos. I sincerely appreciate it. It goes a long way. PLEASE do more topics and concepts with this.
Gridskipper is my new favorite weapon period. Tunnel vision, frenzy is an awesome roll.
Got a lucky vigilance wing in the beginning of destiny 2 and haven’t needed another pulse rifle since 🙏🏼
might as well do this with every other weapon type. great work. I loved chattering bone but stars has been my baby but who don't love a despo messenger.
Hey Patty, great video! I landed Stars Shadow with surplus + kill clip, with a range master work. Surely that would be A tier or S tier? What do you think? Thanks again!
God, I love NTTE. A high impact pulse with really good perks, it returns rounds to the mag on headshot, and the little gun buddy greatly helps with suppressing fire and adds a ton of forgiveness when hitting bodyshots.
Jian 7 might be my favorite pulse for 6v6, as it can roll with disruption break/firefly
What does disruption break do in pvp
Hey Pattycakes awsome video 👍🏼👍🏼
Got a gridskipper that came with high caliber rounds, heating up and multi kc that imo is a A-tier but I can imagine you review them in there overall status
To me, pulse rifles feel like the best alternative to hand cannons in pvp and also generally feel a bit better in PvE. I really like using firmly planted, kill clip/damage boost pulse rifles on nightstalker, makes it really easy to proc flawless execution and hold down a lane or doorway. I also like using pulses with bottom tree golden gun for the extra stability and faster super from precision kills. I think I would rather use a hand cannon or auto rifle (Titan) on the other classes though.
back when I used to play ESL in BF4 and BF3 my faves were the AN94 and the M16A4 in BF4 speccially.
timing pulse rifles in Destiny is a breeze, so V Wing is my most cherished weapon in the kinectic slot when I feel like going brain dead.
Honestly though - I hadn't tried it a lot since I masterworked it. But Cold Denial honestly slaps - I have a cool themed perk roll on it. Cold Denial /w: Killing Wind, Eye of the Storm, I put Icarus Grip on it and it has a Range masterwork stat boost. I didn't realize how hard it popped off, with Killing Wind active I was getting solid 2-3 shot kills to the head, with some fast 3 shot body kills. I haven't come across a pulse rifle that I actually like more. Currently trying to get some good rolls on Auto Rifles and Submachine Guns as I prefer auto weapons.
Great vid, helps put things into perspective! Only thing is in the description, the messenger video link is actually your team 'wallhack' video.
It is nice the destiny community is so helpful to new players especially this channel i just found , the game is super fun and I just finished beyond light as a warlock. I am glad no time to explain is ranked so high, I liked it even regardless, great video explaining too
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Thank you for making this point. It' has always seemed to odd to me how many Hand Cannon purists always sing the praises of using skillful weaponry when they are using the primary with the least amount of shots needed to connect, the highest aim assist, the best peek shooting potential and one of the best aerial shots in the entire game, and then decry Pulse Rifles as "Dad Rifles" requiring no skill.
Great video! Are you going to do one for auto-rifles in the near future (asking as a false promises main)
yeah probably autos or smg next
My fav pulse rifles atm- Adept Messenger, Vigilance, outbreak, and chattering bones
I have at least 1 of all of these and Gridskipper is my absolute favorite legendary. It's consistent and nasty with Heating-Up and MKC - add Sprint Grip for the lower handling.
Man, the day you could start getting premonition at shadowkeep's launch I got a max range outlaw kill clip roll that carried me through hundreds of hours in the crucible, I miss being able to bring it out for trials, but i still use it from time to time in control :,)
Yes it's so good. I don't understand what were they thinking when they removed kill clip from the perk pool.
Tunnel vision with Frenzy on Gridskipper is alot of fun in pve. Throw down a empowering well with Sanguine Alchemy and Devour ontop of it is a one man harvesting machine. Only prob is you run out of ammo pretty fast!
That gambler transition was clean
The gridskipper definitely deserves to be in the A+tier. The gun is amazing. I got a small bore, high caliber rounds, tunnel vision and multi kill clip. Plus, you can run the gridskipper and bastion together. I just wish the guns flinch like they should, but what ever.
I still miss the Hawksaw from D1. Of all the past pulse rifles in Destiny (1 and 2) that was my favorite.
Personally the Chattering Bone has been S tier for me! I used to run messenger on wide maps now I just run Chattering Bone for everything! (6v6 control mind you)…. I got opening shot and high impact reserves. Fast swap/ADS, fast reload, lightweight = move faster.
Works for me as I run striker Titan with 80 mobility with glacioclasm. And I win a LOT of gun fights! I don’t have high caliber rounds but I think it must inherently cause some good flinch! I’ve been loving it! Lol
Out of all the Destiny TH-cam’s I’ve always found Pattycakes videos to be the most unique and informative
Wow thank you!
Is there a list anywhere of all intrinsic perks for each frame? Like how you said vigilance has firmly planted due to it being a high impact
I have 13000 kills in crucible-trials with Graviton Lance is so good !! Vigilance Wing is my other favorite …sometimes The Messenger…. Have to look at it this way …use the weapon that suits you ……hand cannons ,snipers ,shotguns ,pulse rifles, auto rifles they all good weapons… use whatever make you feel comfortable in a match-game
Really great list. Totally agree with those S tiers. NTTE is actually ridiculous in PvP and I'm always so surprised (and glad) when it never gets a nerfed in new sandboxes. I don't even see many others use it.
Bad Juju is get with attunement of sky with its hip-fire grip. So much fun also the not needing to reload has helped me destroy people that expect me to after I kill their friend lol.
Im so glad i farmed my double perk cold denial all the way in arrivals. Arrowhead break/Fluted - Ricochet - Killing wind - Swash/Mkc with range masterwork :D
I actually really enjoy the Bad JuJu, it’s super way for me to use and the perks are nice
Last perdition is my go to pvp pulse, range finder and zen moment make this weapon awesome
I have cold denial with headseeker and oh man that thing slaps. Great video as always!
Third Axiom can really put in some work. Love it.
It's crazy I have like 8 solid sexy rolls
As someone who just got into D2, i personally love Bad Juju (especially for PvE)...However it's also good for PvP, if you get used to it. It can easily wipe a full team in 3v3.
Personally I think outbreak should be around A- but I also play on controller which changes things. Great video !
“Preh-moh-ni-shun” aside from that I loved the video lol
Agree with this list besides stars in shadow I think personally it should be up at A tier especially with kill clip. Other than that spot on and great video!
Super informative Patty Cakes many thanks another solid vid on gun archetypes
Also be good to mention occasionally if some of those are good for pve
Graviton Lance is easily an A tier pulse with it’s catalyst. Hidden hand grants +20 range and +15 aim assist, making it’s total AA 75 before target mods...basically it’s always going to crit, and it’s a guaranteed 4 burst from any distance, 3 burst before range drop off. Cosmology isn’t fantastic by any means, but you’d have to be really bad at Destiny to miss crits with Graviton. It’s A tier because it’s consistent, and I regularly out duel 120 hand cannons with it.
Love this video. Your opinions are honest and accurate. Love your insight into these weapons.
I have the God Roll Gridskipper and it's A- Tier, maybe even A tier. Arrowhead, Ricochet, Heating up, multikill clip. I get so many triple that are from heating up and I haven't had to reload to activate mulitikill clip.
Jian 7 by far my most favorite pulse rifle in PvP to date. We all have our preferences and for me it's just the best one. Sure I haven't tried all perk combos on all pulse rifles, but damn does it shred.
I'd absolutely agree with most of where you ranked these pulses but the problem is that a good number of these weapons can change tiers depending on what it's rolled with. The Messenger is an s-tier weapon so long as you have Desperado. Without it, it drops down into A-tier (even a "badly" rolled Messenger is still amazing though).
I'd argue that a god-roll 540 is definitely an S-tier weapon (heating up, multi-kill clip for Gridskipper is s-tier and probably the best 540 in the game, IF you get that roll). I have a god-roll Time-Worn Spire with red dot micro, high-cal, moving target and iron grip with a stability masterwork. It's extremely consistent, flinches your opponent like crazy and it's the best 1v1 duel weapon I've used in D2. You do have to play around the inherent disadvantages of a 540 (most notably range), but a good player will know how to close the gap to get within optimal range. And once you're there, you'll out duel pretty much everyone. People just aren't ready nor expecting a 540 to be that consistent, coupled with the added stickiness and strafing speed that comes with moving target. I used it almost exclusively in Comp last season on my way to legend. Can't tell you how many 120's and Messengers I beat in Comp because of how dominant the weapon is in 1v1's. Couple that with the numerous damage boost's PVP has now (Whisper of Hedrons, Charged with Light builds and etc.), I was often two bursting my opponents with a 540.
540's in my opinion, are the best pulse rifles for aggressive, fast players and for those who often find themselves dueling others. It's a fantastic archetype.
My third axiom rolled feeding frenzy rampage, one of my absolute favorite guns for pve and i dont do too bad pvp
Hand cannons are definitely better than pulses but I agree with the other points in the vid. I love this series
You should make an auto rifle one, cause tbh they are my favorite weapon type, selfish request but what can I say, I’m a titan main lol
Working on that next :)
@@PattycakesGaming ooo, I’m excited!
Good old gridskipper, a favourite since i first got my hands on one
I've been runninghigh caliber, rapid hit, kill clip Sacred Provenance this season and loving it.
I have a surplus wellspring hailing confusion that I absolutely love. It hasn't left my inventory since I got it.
You should try gridskipper with heating up it's an excellent pluse with that perk.
Gridskipper with high caliber rounds, heating up and multi kill clip slaps
Since they brought back the black armory armor will we see a return of blast furnace one day??
I hope I have a god roll of it I want to use in end game activities lol
I actually love the chattering bone i don't have a god roll but I still love it, it's one of my favourite weapons
I would swap Cold and Stars because of the range that Stars can engage at. Cold Denial has a zoom of 14 which is really low and makes it struggle to compete against 120's and DMT. Messenger (18), Stars (18), Sacred (18) and can roll with Rangefinder/Kill clip, No time (17), Premonition (18) all have a better zoom factor and without even a max range roll Cross was finding that Stars still had bullet magnetism at 60m and was securing a 3 burst kill while Cold Denial was taking 9 bursts. Cold Denial should probably be an A- or B tier pulse as it's got good perks and is deadly inside of that 31m range but if you can secure even a basic roll like I did with Stars with Firmly Planted and KC, a Sacred Provenance God Roll, a Nasty Messenger roll, or a nice Premonition then they will serve you much better than even the best Cold Denial. Not to mention that higher zoom means you can go for perks that correct your burst pattern.
If you can't get any of these high impacts then No Time is a great starting point and it absolutely shreds people. I have to say that my Sacred Provenance feels the best though as it has the ideal roll with perfect recoil, high cal to flinch the enemy, rapid hit for blazing fast reloads even after one burst to their face if they decide to run, and kill clip to turn it up a notch after a kill (a range master work for good measure). If Cold denial had a 16 zoom factor it might be more deserving of a higher ranking.
As somebody who played high level competitive Halo in the EU scene, coming into Destiny PVP at the start of season 14, I tried following the meta and grinding out with Hand Cannons, which I’m good with. But man when I got my hands on my Adept Messenger with killing wind and desperado it took me right back to my Halo 2/Halo 3 glory days.
When Desperado is activated it even reminds me of the double BR glitch in Halo 2 that would absolutely shred if you pulled it off at the right time.
My only issue I have is I can’t run my Eye Of Sol with it and I’m still hunting for a god roll Frozen Orbit or Occluded Finality!
have you tried Adored? you might really like it if you're into EoS
@@PattycakesGaming Funnily enough I actually picked up the quest from the Quest Archive this week, I’m on the final step of get sniper kills or streaks! I’m guessing it’s a good PVP option?
The sniping in D2 feels so similar to Halo, it’s like I never left home. I couldn’t snipe for shit on CoD though.. 🤣
Chattering Bone with outlaw and rampage does WORK. It shreds in crucible.
Great video and rankings. Good explanations. Also love how you are chill compared to some of these other toxic or yelling destiny youtubers lol.
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Pulses have always been my favourite. From d1 with Red Death, Hawksaw and Clever Dragon then going through the years of D2 with Bygones, Messenger ,Cold Denial and No Time i think its safe to say pulses have always been meta
My hailing confusion has surplus and wellspring and it feels like an upgraded bygones
I really love Lightweight Frames and 450rpm exotics. I don’t care if they’re bad, they feel so good to use (especially Outbreak Perfected).
@Mitchell O'Connor they are excellent at longer range
Gridskipper gets heating up, the best non-damage perk now in the game.
I got a High Cal, Heating Up, and High Impact Reserves roll and my god do I love it.