What is NAGILUM (Star Trek Theory)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2020
- It only turned up in one Star Trek episode, "Where Silence Has Lease", but it scared me as a kid and even looking into it now, thy mystery around just what this entity is makes for an intriguing thought experiment.
Extra-Dimensional being? Technological super-entity? Fraud?
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Somehow I feel that Q wouldn't take too kindly to Nagilum hijacking his pet project.
Or Nagillum is one of the many terrors that would stop your heart as Q puts it.
Yes " Q " would tell him you can't be playing with my toys ! 😣
@@cye58 I agree... but I don't think a sentient pocket universe like NAGILUM would be a terror to the Q, but rather something benign if you avoid it, which the Q would since they wouldn't have the same control inside it.
Unless it is a Q or El Aurian... although I doubt Q would actually do anything to Nagilum destroying 1/3rd of the crew of the enterprise. Consider it... part of the trial. In a dark and twisted way we have our morbid curiosity just like Nagilum
I actually always wanted an episode where some cosmic being started messing with the crew of the Enterprise and, as any hope of escaping or outsmarting the entity was lost, Q showed up and basically said "I don't think so - these are MY toys and I don't appreciate you breaking them." before being challenged by said entity (probably one that has never encountered or even conceived of something more powerful than itself) and promptly snapping it into oblivion.
Interesting Wesley took his lunch break just in time to avoid being the death test...
Part of the Enterprise Night Crew?
I do not think he was an acting ensign working on the bridge at the time of this episode.
Ben Swem Yeh he was, Picard didn’t like having him on the bridge unless he had a rank, which they gave him in Season 1.
I wish Welsey was killed in this episode. He was my all time least favorite TNG character. 😁
He was probably too scary for TV. so they dropped him her, ( whatever.) I only saw that episode twice.
I have to admit, this episode was quite unsettling.
Likewise. It always makes me recognize the fragility of mortality.
Those were the kinds of episodes that made Star Trek so interesting.
Is it the CGI.😜
@@FaySwine Seeing the ephemeral nature of our existence being casually "explored" by an incalculably powerful amoral entity was worse than any primitive CGI.
@@Ragitsu
I found it interesting that Nagilum called us overly aggressive after killing a crew member then threatening to kill a third of the crew. Apparently we have more common ground than just curiosity… If it was smarter it would’ve realized we value freedom over life.
Nagilum does not know what death is. And we don't know if he was really able to understand it afterwards, because we hardly understand death ourselves, except that as individuals we are mostly afraid of it.
His reasons and our reasons for killing are completely different. For us, it for conquest/greed. For Nagilum, it was curiosity/learning.
@@rockhazeKilling isn't always greed.
@@Noahloveless1 How so?
@@rockhaze Well sometimes one must kill evil or threats. There's a blatant and obvious example happening in the world right now.
Actually, this is also the episode that Worf mentioned a Klingon tale of a beast that devoured starships... sound familiar on Voyager?
The telepathic pitcher plant?
Sounds like it
There were tales on earth about monsters eating ships as well.
And just as likely it's Klingons exaggerating and killing anyone who doubt their stories
You mean like Charybdis from Greek Mythology, the Kraken, Jonah's whale from the Bible and the terrible dogfish from Pinocchio
or the amoeba in TOS.
It would have been interesting to see Q's reaction to it.
It could be a q born outside the Continuum and abandoned by it's parents. It must be relatively young having never encountered other beings before also.
Well, to Q this might just be another lower lifeform.
Q's thoughts: "amateur"
Q would probably say it’s barely any more evolved than a human is to a worm compared to the Q.
Nagilum could be Q's pet.
This episode is scary man, no episode has actually scared me much like this. So creepy, I can’t describe it
I know what you mean.
The other one would be Night Terrors, where the Enterprise is stuck in the Tyken's rift with the USS Brattain, whose entire crew sans one betazoid killed themselves because some trapped alien ship trying to communicate with them drove the crew mad. Then the enterprise crew start hallucinating with spooky stuff like the corpses sitting up, and Troi is having these scary nightmares.
@@tren133 to be honest I found that episode a little silly. But generally, TNG had many of these spooky moments. I feel like Strange New Worlds could never even hope to capture this feeling, this heartwarming sense of stepping into the unknown, this feeling that made Star Trek so unique.
Totally agree! The part that really unsettled me was when Riker and Worf arrived on the Yamato with no crew on board. That eerie music and with the screech-like sounds before a yell was made sent shivers down my spine. And also the mirror bridge scene where you leave through one door of the bridge to teleport to the other side of the bridge. "One Riker, One Bridge!"
I didn't find it any scarier than Q's barrier in the first TNG episode either.
Too bad this character was never used again. He was quite a menacing villain.
Well, this being isn't really evil. Though still pretty heartless all the same.
@@Qardo I don't think it's neither good nor evil either lol
They would have ruined it if they explored it more. This was exactly the right amount of mysteriousness.
Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest imagination
I like the fact that they never went back to it. Makes the galaxy seem bigger.
One arguement against the 'They never left' thing...Q would eventually have shown up, upset that Nag had stolen his favorite toys. :-)
Maybe, alittle piece of Nagilum-- stayed behind to Observe...
That would be a Funny episode, tho...
Q appears for something (trivial) & says..
"You know you're inside a Nagilum.." 😂😂
@@kosh9639 Moriarty: Ergo, I am inside a simulation, inside Nagilum!
"Then perhaps we shall meet again. Only next time it will be out here among the stars." ... Nagilum runs away.
NAGILUM is me on crystal meth lol
@@raven4k998 Not me. I talk a lot faster on that stuff.
@@brianofphobos8862 yeah well drugs bring out my dark playful side so i would drive you to suicide if I was drugged out lol
That thing was nightmare-fuel to me back then and it's sight still makes me uncomfortable.
It was a well crafted horror-mystery.
If you stare into the abyss, sometimes the abyss stares back.
Wow, you must have been easily scared way back then, I found it boring as sin myself.
@@lawlaw295
Your kidding right?
@@valor1omega I believe yours is the minority opinion.
It scared the ever loving crap out of me and every one of 2 dozen or so people I ever discussed it with.
I remember watching this and thinking they were setting up a whole bunch more episodes regarding him, but NOPE
*where else and in what other direction could they have taken this other than having Q show up or possibly the Borg or to add in the influence of the Nexus?...it's a good stand alone episode..true it would be pretty terrifying for Nagillum to show up and start "experimenting" with the population of an entire planet and watch with detached fascination as wars broke out and nearly all life was eradicated by various means before moving on*
@@scottmantooth8785 I don't think he was malevolent. He just didn't understand the concept of life, death or pain. I can't see him devastating a whole planet after even gaining a little bit of understanding.
I would have loved an episode where Nagilum had run across that Douwd, Kevin, tried to experiment on him, and then had to reach out to Picard to save his ass.
@@salaciousBastard Nagilum may be more powerful. It can't be known.
I've often called for STO to do a Halloween event: Nagilum would make a great "entity studying fear" for the event (although there are some better candidates).
I loved that this was a completely random encounter with an extremely alien being. That's what space should be.
That’s a fantastic idea
It was one of the most boring episodes of TNG so it would be a very boring event.
the closest thing we have to a "halloween episode" of TNG is the episode Night Terrors.
The pocket dimension might be its body, not realm, and not septate or separable from its awareness.
Yep. That's what I always thought about.
Interesting thought, & quite possible
My thoughts exactly.
He said as much in the video
Wow that was "Deep" I like the thought process ! 🙏
I'm glad they never met him again, this made him more mysterious.
Yep
I googled "What is NAGILUM" and it showed me @@litiviousspartus4611 :''''(
There was a book I remember my mother owning, where Jon Lance wrote of the universe ending, and he (speaking as Q), mentioned that there are other entities that are similar to the Q, but not as powerful and all knowing like the Q. Makes one wonder.
Q mentions the Douwd, Organians. most seem isolationist and not interested in affairs of lesser races.
Or they're actually much more powerful and omniscient, and have successfully fooled the Q into thinking otherwise.
Joshua Farrell Jon Lance from Reue?
Yes " Q " would tell him you can't be playing with my toys ! 😎
John de Lancie
I'm not sure why, but when I watched this as a child that face haunted and scared me. lol
Definitely!
Same. I guess it's cosmic horror lite.
The face & the voice too.
Right!
Yes, the face seems to make my “uncanny valley” part of the brain act up!
Mice in a maze, we think little of it when running experiments, so likely neither does Nagilum.
They need more stories like this in star trek online. More mystery and exploration based.
The Foundry had several good ones. Then Cryptic struck and removed them all.
Where Silence Has Lease is one of my all-time favorite episodes. Season 2 in general had a lot of my favorites... Nagilum to me always seemed most similar to a very primitive incarnation of the Q. In terms of his ability to manipulate matter and space at whim. Though, he was only definitively shown to have that ability within the pocket dimension. It's like a person taking a small fish net down to the nearest body of water and just scooping around hoping to snare some specimens for study. Perhaps he originates from a universe governed primarily by will and thought, and was fascinated by the idea of a universe governed, instead, by static physical principles.
Maybe Nagilum is a Wormhole entity that has gone wandering.
A lost Bajorian prophet ? 😁
@@jacksonheathen2092 More like a Pah Wraith that didn't get sealed away.
@@Janoha17 Or in between, like an angel that only partly fell. Some myths about fey consider them that; too rebellious for heaven, but not evil enough for hell.
he can't be a non linear being at all, because the prophets don't care about death of mortals because they literally always exist regardless of if they die (if something has existed, it always exists to them). Nagilum thought it was strange something could die, and be finished. This is a stark contrast. (Nagilum is most likely a sentient pocket universe that can control all aspects of itself, giving it Q like powers within its own body only.)
Wormwhole alien?
They are to self-centered weak creatures to do what it did.
This is the point of exploring the gaxaly. Strange new lifeforms.
Galaxy.
G'Kar from Babylon 5 described a being like this perfectly "Imagine you are an ant .." the rest of the speech is on YT
pass
@@animateddepression lazy ass
“I have just picked him up on the tip of my finger. Now, I set him back down again and he asks another ant “what was that?” How would he answer?”
12:07 By that logic, the Talosians never actually lifted their illusion in the pilot and Pike's been stuck on Talos IV this entire time.
Exactly. Picard & Data might never have left the holodeck in the TNG episode "Ship in a Bottle" either.
With those episodes there’s no definitive evidence of that though. It’s interesting how he says Nagilum can now communicate outside the void, or can he?
@@indetigersscifireview4360 I'm pretty sure the in-universe explanation given in DS9 was that it was in the mind of some 1950s black writer (also played by the guy who played Sisko).
MrDalek2150 Well, it was left open to interpretation. Was Ben Sisko dreaming? Or was the 50’s Sci Fi writer the one dreaming?
@@locustboy8448 Both?
Just watched this episode again today! It's one of my favorite episodes. Love Picard's line to Nagilum "WE CANNOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT! WE WILL FIGHT YOU!" Picard's character really shines in this episode. Wish a Star Trek novel would explore more with Nagilum! Haskel's death is pretty horrifying. Makes me wonder what exactly Nagilum did to him. Probably best not to know.
My theory on what Nagilum did to Haskel was probably he was transmitting the most amount fear into a living being. And that fear took over Haskel's nervous system, and motor functions. So Haskel probably had some type of cardiac arrest and wasn't able to control his body. Something like the type of death that Armus did to Tasha Yar. And as Dr. Crusher described it, "It just sucked the life right out".
My favorite part of this episode is that Wesley was on the bridge in the beginning and when they entered the void, but he was conveniently, what, in the bathroom? Something. Mysteriously not present when Nagilum decided to kill the random ensign. But then Wesley was back again once the newly killed ensign was cleared out. They never addressed whether he was in the bathroom or where he went, but he narrowly missed being killed.
Are you saying that Wesley is to Nagilum as Bruce Wayne is to Batman?
It was but one instance of Wesley's chronic masturbation habit that saved his life and/or advanced his career.
I think he’s saying the Traveller stepped in to make Wes tinkle.
Yeah, that was a damned shame...😏
It was an inside job.
I wonder if "Q" knows of its existence mmm🤫
Most likely. He did say that the Q seen and know everything about the universe. And that their bored
DarkPaladinLance Ramesses II yeah they’re bored
Ahh...but it wasn't part of this universe exactly.
@@chrisdavis7283
That "pocket dimension" to trap ships clearly exists inside this universe. And who says Q is limited to this universe?
There are various super powerful races like Q, Nagilum, The Dowd, The Prophets... it'd be awesome to get some explanation of why these numerous beings seemingly all are willing to forgo control of the physical space of the galaxy and which are the most powerful or knowledgeable.
I'll tell you what it is. The most pants-wettingly terrifying thing I've seen in all of Star Trek. Something with power comparable to a Q, thankfully localized in it's sphere of influence, but which is so alien and uncomprehending of humanoids as to be an existential threat with only the most casual of gestures.
Right? Trek has way too many gods for my taste.
Have you heard the Q-Continuum series by Greg Cox? You should really check it out if you haven't. There's an entity in it that makes Nagilum look tame by comparison.
Well it's not truly localized as it was able to communicate with Picard outside the Void, meaning that it's far more powerful than it lets on. I mean, Hell, from what we gather it seems like the Void that Nagilum inhabits in the episode is simply a laboratory of sorts that it uses to study things in our universe but it, itself comes from a universe where entropy does not exist which is why it knows nothing of death.
I would classify it as being amoral rather than malevolent.
You forgot that they (Data I think) actually questioned whether Riker and Worf were ever really on the Yamato.
What's interesting about this is that Nagilum seems to be the first (and only?) evidence within the franchise that something exists outside the universe. Sure other timelines (that are mistakenly called universes) exist, and we meet plenty of beings that are said to inhabit a different dimensional plane within the universe, but Nagilum is clearly intended to represent something entirely separate. On top of that, his defining traits seem to include immortality and curiosity, which means that for him to have not yet discovered the concept of death (despite it being something that virtually every being in our universe seems to face, or at least be aware of) suggests that there are a lot of things outside our universe for him to explore.
I completely forgot about Nalgilum. I remember when I was a kid, when it's face showed up it scared the absolute fu** out of me to the point where I still don't like looking at it, haha.
I always thought it was odd that Nagilum contacted Picard one last time after the Enterprise left the void.
I've always said Nagilum was an exiled "Q" continuum initiate or something. He was already powerful himself and the "Q" as a whole locked him away in that pocket dimension. But finally got out.
Wouldn't be the first time Starfleet has accidentally let out a Q that was imprisoned. You'd think God-like beings would make better, less accidentally opened prisons. Supposedly the God figure from Star Trek 5 was a Q, and the barrier was the prison that kept him there. Hence the need for a starship. Would have made for an interesting connection between the two eras if they explored it further.
@@compmanio36 This should all be Picard season 2.
A Q would know about death.
This is Small Universe Thinking. Nagilum is an unknown alien.
I legit just watched this episode a couple hours ago. The fact that you uploaded this on the one day I rewatch this episode in months is kinda weirdly awesome!
Some might say Nagilum has bad cgi, but it’s just what he looks like 😉
Exactly. He wasn't meant to look fully human. Only to relate to them on the view screen.
I’d actually say “that’s not bad for pre CGI”
I once spoke with a guy who was on the team who created Nagilum. He said they worked hard to get exactly the look we see in the episode.
He’s mostly latex and petroleum jelly.
Looks like some guy in blackface. Let's ban this episode.
There are a lot of Howling Space Gods out there: Nagilum, Kevin Uxbridge and the Douwd, Q, and that thing from Star Trek 5. Most of them seem incredibly powerful from a human perspective, and most of them are never seen or mentioned again. Just one more near-omnipotent space entity, yup, regular tuesday, we going to 10-forward for drinks later?
That thing from Star Trek 5 is called William Shatner.
Kevin Uxbridge? Was he the guy who got god powers then died in TOS? And what’s the Douwd?
@@astra3310 the episode from TNG where this old guy accidentally made an entire species extinct because they pissed him off. The douwd are sort of like Q, except less arrogant about it.
Maybe he's one of the 'Prophets' (wormhole aliens) from DS9 that has gone off on his own.
Maybe. You're not the first to suggest that. But the galaxy is huge and I think this was an entirely different phenomenon.
Jackson Heathen
Yea, different altogether. Prophets seen to understand more than what Nagillum originally did.
Intresting thory now that you meantion it he kinda reminds me of them but less caring
Picard was just turning out his bedroom lights for the night when Nagilum's face appeared on the monitor. " Yo, Picard!!, BOO!!".
Then he vanished. Jean -Luc turned on his night light and whispered " Q, I need you, and I need you now!!".
"I've been Rick, and I apologise for my earlier mental crisis"
This episode haunted my nightmares for years after seeing this episode as a child.
I have an idea, and this ties into Worf's story at the beginning of the episode. He said that there was a tail of thing in space that would swallow ships whole never to be seen again.
I would surmise that the Romulan ship was indeed real and that Neggie had that ship stored away in another fold or dimension of itself having encountered it before. After scanning the Enterprise and learning that these two were enemies he put them in the same cage so to speak to see what would happen.
that's pretty good...
You sound like commander data good job
That was always what i assumed as a kid.
Looks like mulligan spelled backwards... You could see the episode as a mulligan
Actually the reason it is Mulligan spelled backwards is because the actor Richard Mulligan was originally intended to have played the role. An in joke.
So I'm not the only one who noticed this?
@@JimPlaysGames the alien higher in the hierarchy was the yrrebneddor.
Fascinating.🤨
Yo, I was thinking that very same thing regarding the name of this being! Maybe this extra/inter/dimensional entity simply had to be "tricked into obeying our realities natural laws!" Ordering plane of existence by getting it speaking its name backwards, like DC's
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One thing nobody's seemed to have mentioned: Nagilum was altered when the HD version of this show came out. Before, it was VERY obvious that it was like a mask with holes in it with a human's mouth speaking. HD stretched and blurred it, making it less obvious and more alien in appearance.
I always felt like the void/blackness/realm that nagilum is in was in fact the entity itself. Basically making nagilum into a sentient cloud of energy or something. Just my thoughts.
You've officially creeped me out.
I've watched that episode earlyer because I found myself randomly thinking about it last night.
Also,
What did you mean "Star Trek isn't real" 😢
The name is Muligan, reversed. The actor Richard Muligan was originally cast in the role, but had to be replaced prior to shooting.
He was replaced by Earl Boen, not Earl Hindman.
:O
Is that true?
@@michaeldriggers7681 Yes .
The guy who provided the voice is the guy who played the neighbor on home improvement...
Nagilum...I certainly am curious as to what it actually is, but I also kind of hope that we never find out either. Remember when the Borg used to be exciting because they were an unknown form of life that were extremely powerful and threatening? Then the Borg became "meh, it's just the Borg again" when we learned so much about them in Voyager. I'd rather leave Nagilum shrouded in mystery as it'll keep that unsettling mystique about that it actually was in place. Having at least some mysteries unsolved makes them a litter more enduring.
can you do a video on sub-space? very little info that i know of and it would be neat to see exactly how star trek utilizes this section of space
From what I got from the shows sub space isn’t a separate area or dimension like in Star Wars, it’s just an extreme frequency that they somehow use to have ftl communication. That’s a completely sci-fi part of the show so it would be difficult to ground it in a meaningful way.
Virtual Reality Vertigo th-cam.com/video/18j5Ij9_VYE/w-d-xo.html
He was listening and I was wrong
The way Star Trek utilizes subspace is very consistent with the mathematical version of subspace (linear algebra, I can find a good textbook section if you’re interested) and I largely find it frustrating how the writers generally seem to interpret it versus how commentary channels discuss it.
Doesn't make sense that Nagilum would be Q as it was so ignorant and searching for answers (with no morality) whereas the Q appear to be all omniscient as well as omnipotent. Nagilum reminds me of the black tar creature that killed Tasha. They are both cruel and powered by pure mcguffin juice.
There was a book I remember my mother owning, where Jon Lance wrote of the universe ending, and he (speaking as Q), mentioned that there are other entities that are similar to the Q, but not as powerful and all knowing like the Q. Makes one wonder.
ThePlatGamer the only reason Q couldn’t kill himself was because the other Q would stop him: even if a Q had unlimited(read infinite) power, 2 Qs working together would be twice as strong. There are many infinities, and some infinities can be bigger than others
How better to gain the trust of previously encountered species than by interacting with it like you are something different?
This was such a great episode
Nagilum is just a "Child playing with Ants". Even his "Speaking" with us is him learning "Ant-Speech", nothing else.
His Powers are similar to a Q, but yet more confined to his Realms - but improving.
Nagilum was similar to a Q in alot of ways, I wonder if he was a cousin or outcast from the continuum? The traveller also proved that thought was the basis of reality, which kinda explains where nagilum was from.
I know I'm in the minority, but I really liked the first two seasons and I love this episode. Few episodes have this feeling of dread.
This was a good one. A few others too, but I think TNG really came into it's own starting with season 3.
I believe malignant would be more apt than malevolent in this instance as Nagilum was amoral.
They are synonyms, “malignant” has nothing to do with intent.
What are you talking about? Mike is merely saying that it's more apt to call Nagilum "evil" by nature than by chosen actions because he has no morality, likely because he has no concept of it at all. Thus is incapable of discerning evil intent to begin with.
@@DrankenDune Malevolent DOES indicate intent though. Nagilum is Lenny killing a mouse not Hannibal Lecter killing Benjamin Raspail. Nagilum does not understand the gravity of his actions.
Mike Vasquez I disagree, Lenny killing a mouse was an accident and he was afraid to tell George. Nagilum was introduced to death and had concept of it and was deliberately experimenting with beings it deemed less important. Even if the whole “killing ships” thing was forgiven he still captured and abused sentient life.
The idea that they never left in that they're still there hits pretty hard
My take is that this is the story of a television screenplay writer. A writer who has been tasked to be a "god" in a universe he knows little of. Some aspects of the reality are fascinating to the writer. And some seem a little silly. But, after a bit of experimentation and familiarization, the writer begins his task. Effectively "allowing" the Enterprise to continue. Briefly reflecting on how he will be with the Enterprise crew for a long time.
Do a video on *Armus* from "Skin of Evil" next. That thing was SO F****D UP. They should bring him back at some point: The Wrath of Armus.
Could you imagine if Armus managed to escape from that barren planet as a stowaway on a n alien ship that ignored the warning beacons to say...mine the planet. He'd kill the miners and take the ship. Knowing how vengeful and cruel he was, I think he'd probably go looking for the enterprise crew and Picard himself.
If he had mimetic properties similar to the Founders, he could pass as anyone and get close to Picard enough to seek revenge.
Alternatively he could steal an alien ship, enslave the crew and take over the planet as a maniacal god-like being.
They should have had an episode where the Federation, maybe even all the major powers, were getting their stuff packed in and Picard decided to go get Armus.
"Hey, buddy, remember me? I'm here to make a deal because quite honestly you're the lesser of two evils right now."
"What?! Impossible. I'm a sludge of pure concentrated evil, I'm the evil of an entire race, I'll destroy this other evil."
"Glad to hear it. Keep your evil reigned in around us, we'll make the introductions, and then you can go hog wild."
@@MichaelRainey it would never happen it would be impossible to believe an entity like that would ever honor any agreements it made.
Michael Rainey
Have a Vulcan renegade like Sybok help Armus deal with his pain...!
@@davidhonez8859 Of course Armus will try to go back on the deal the first chance it gets. That will be the driving conflict of the episode. Who cares about the extragalactic horror about to visit itself upon the Milky Way? Focus on Armus potentially gaining a shred of empathy. And then, AND THEN, big reveal the threat isn't really a threat it's just Armus's creators coming back to check up on their hateful little puddle of goo.
If I was in Picard's place, I would have "Q" on speed dial for such a scenario. I'd be all, "Hey Q, it's your buddy here, do you know this jerk messing with us? No? Can you smack him around for us?" ..... or something like that. I think going right to self destruct is a bit hasty.
I'm not sure Q would be any help if he did show up and then how would you ever get him to leave?
I agree that's what I would do ! 😎
What's worse than being terrorized by an all-powerful creature? Two all-powerful creatures. They might fight, or they might team up. Either way you don't want to be near, especially when at least one of them doesn't understand death or empathy.
This adventure is before Q is exiled as a human, so... NOPE.
@@rjonboy7608 Maybe the best way to make Q leave them alone would have been to ask him to explain/take care of everything powerful they encounter, until *he's* so annoyed he avoids them.
There were times other horrible things happened because of different values or a misunderstanding and Picard brushes it aside or forgives it to fulfill their mission of exploring new life. I feel like they had an opportunity to exchange information, even after they escaped it and build a partnership (even if Naggy here felt they were somewhat beneath it).
Remember the dimensiional tunnel encountered by the 1701? With a madman and a rational scientist ending up fighting in nothing forever? Perhaps this entity is them fused.
A good TOS episode.
watched this at 9 years old and was terrified! Was mostly due o the fantastic Ron Jones music. Why he got fired was beyond me
Imagine him showing up in picard season 2
Please don't give them ideas....
"You again!"
"Again? You never left me, Jean-Luc."
"I...wha...WHAT!?"
"Fascinating how you reacted to me killing the Romulans. You guys really don't like death, do you?"
"*splutter*"
"Well, we're done here. You can go home now."
"*splutter*"
Great analysis! Thanks for uploading!
I always considered the empty space to be merely the equivalent to an open window in a researcher's otherwise hyper controlled lab. "Weird, this bundle of alien flies just got in. Might as well study them while they're here."
This being is the scarest thing in Star Trek. Q is well Q and has no need to toy or not toy with you. Nagilum is horrifying to me.
I agree completely. Just the way he treats you like a microbe under a microscope.
What is it? Simple: creepy as f××k. :P
The black zone is an intrusion into our universe from whatever plane Nagilum exists in. It is technologically generated on his end, and is essentially a virtual laboratory which can admit objects from our universe (or any other universe Nagilum cares to study) into a kind of holodeck-like setting. It has a sort of Möbius nature, as it's self-contained within Nagilum's computer system, so it has a kind of internal "Pac-man" effect.
Just realized that its name backwards is Muligan. "Muligan" itself isn't a word but in golf, a mulligan is a second chance to perform a stroke--although informally--after the player messed the first chance up through bad luck or error in judgment. Mulligan also refers to a meat stew. Also, it scared the shit out of me.
It seems somewhat obvious to me that Nagilum was supposed to be representative of what would happen if the universe were a large simulation and a scientist in the 'real' world decided to study various parts of it. Thus the 'thought reading' and manifestations of ships are all because the simulation is represented by code in the 'real' world. You could, I suppose, substitute the word 'real' with 'outside' or 'outer' or some such. To people who created this vast simulation, it would be relatively easy to manifest things within it and since they obviously have a far greater understanding of the rules of the game it's not surprising at all that materials they manifest would be 'beyond' the technology of those within the simulation. It's obvious that the simulation has manifested, or 'emerged', conscious and sentient entities within it. That in and of itself would be worth study. It also explains why Nagilum is relatively unconcerned with the effects of death. To him it's just code. Software. What really bakes the noodle is the idea of nested simulations of the same sort. Suppose Nagilum is just a simulation in another 'outside' world, and so on. Suppose they loop back on themselves so that there is no beginning. Even the way Nagilum appears is as if he were looking through a lens at them. The final obvious clue to this is after they are released from the null zone and have been traveling away from it at high warp for a period of time, Nagilum is able to manifest as a reflection in the screen on Picard's desk. Suggesting he didn't need them in the null zone to affect them. It was a scientific control to eliminate other influences on testing. Like isolating a program within memory.
And also it is arguably the, or one of the, best TNG episode(s).
Not gonna lie, this guy has always scared the ever living crap out of me. Straight into uncanny valley territory.
Emil Hallgren Totally
I blame the fact that I watched it as a young child for at least 10% of my mental disturbed-ness
He's probably as alien as an alien spiritual intellect we'd classify as an angel would be, he's definitely as curious about mankind as they'd be, especially one uninformed of man's value to his Maker, as far as science goes.
@@insertnamehere8099 Nightmare fuel.
Yeah I always have a shiver down my spine when I see him. I saw this when I was a young teen and he scared me a bit.
@@insertnamehere8099 yeah nagilum freaked me out as a kid. Now it's one of my favorite episodes.
Nagilum is great piece of Trek. Love this episode, where they do appear. Great video.
I stumbled across this and was kind of pleased. Nobody ever talks about this episode but I always liked it -- a lot more than some of the 'weird and trippy" type episodes in later seasons, especially the last season which felt like they were really going through the motions. It's unsettling and weird and vaguely TOS-like (as quite a few of the first two seasons' episodes are)...one of my "pet" TNG episodes.
Idea. What if Nagilum is a species that is closely related to the Q. But unlike the Q who can use their own powers anywhere in the multiverse, Nagilum is limited to their own universe of "Nothing"
I was well potty trained by the time I saw this episode. Once Nagilum appeared on the view screen it was back to square one.
The black thing in space containing Nagilum looks just like the dead zone surrounding the giant amoeba in STTOS episode The Immunity Syndrome. When the Enterprise D approached it, Data should have been able to access information on similar phenomena from the ship's database.
Yes finally! Who else was waiting for Nagilum!
Let's just be glad it didn't decide to "study" procreation between humanoids...
Actually. That would have made an amusing storyline.
Captain's log supplemental.... Nagilum has forced Riker to have carnal relations with the female members of the crew. So it's a normal day..
Yeah, like you need live subjects for that. "Oh. Oh, you people are nasty. Get the hell out of my pocket dimension."
Actually, he wanted to, but Dr. Pulaski said no.
www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/128.htm
PULASKI: Yes, well, there are minor differences. I'm what we call a female.
NAGILUM [on viewscreen]: I understand. The masculine and the feminine.
PICARD: It is the way in which we propagate our species.
NAGILUM [on viewscreen]: Please, demonstrate how this is accomplished.
PULASKI: Not likely.
Am I really bad in that this outcome would be fun mostly 😅😅😏
So you suggest that we use "Deep space nine season 8" logic to whole Star Trek continuity.
Now this is scary.
Oh how spooky, I just watched this episode last night and was wanting to look up info on him today.
One of the creepiest episodes, I'd ever seen....... Neither good, nor evil... The guy really scared me !!!!
I always wondered why, the next time Q showed up offering favours, Picard didn't ask him to pay Nagilum a visit and demonstrate why it's a bad idea to screw with mortal lifeforms who might have powerful friends.
that's what a coward would do
@@EstradaDuran-sg6co Yes, well, not everyone can kill God with a photon torpedo.
I don't think Picard is a vengeful person, especially not to a being that is indifferent to him and his morals.
I love this episode of TNG.
Needs a "bwaaa" inception sound at the end for that revelation.
I just watched this episode last night. Quality watch. S2E2
the Star trek isn't real bit cracked me up
yes me too^^ so I've looked at the comments to see how many have been cracked up as well ^^
You should do a video of all the cosmic entities in the star trek universe
" it's me Picard, Nagillum , the Phantom face from outer space!!!".
Nagilum was played by actor Earl Bowen who ironically played opposite actress Eleanor Donahue in an episode of "Ellen"around that same time. Donahue appeared in the original Star Trek series as the companion in the episode "Metamorphosis". Funny how these things work out huh?
The same questions can be asked of the episode where Picard (and the Enterprise) are time looped and falling into a wormhole/vortex thing. Troy said there was an intelligence behind it all but the episode never worked that out and they never revisited the concept. 😒
Q brought him back from the M continuum to study I read that from one the old paperback novels years ago
Wow that's interesting you need to find the title of that book and share it with us so we all can read it that would be very cool. 🤔
The Q contiuum trilogy, I read that series too, bot star trek novels aren't canon
Do you know if Q new nagilum? Could he be the same as the god type in the final frontier?
Pretty sure that Q , knows quite a few ( Power Players ) in and around the Galaxy if not the universe " Kevin who like just said F*ck it and wiped away that Extremely hostile alien race that killed his Human wife ' bet Q knows of the { Wormhole Aliens } inside the wh near DS9 ' Q probably knew that Sisko was half Human and half alien 🤔 , ... anyway Q knows more than he's letting on , believe me !
I'd love to have more information on the Dowd.
Also, we don't talk about Star Trek 5
Michael Driggers
What does god need with a starship?
One of the best lines
Michael Driggers Watch „the IT crowd“
one of several interesting characters and storylines that would've been interesting to see more of but were never heard from again
This episode gave me nightmares as a kid but i also always found it fascinating.
I wonder if Q and NAGILUM are aware of each other? For that matter what of their relation to the Prophets or other non corporeal beings?
Doubt it.
I've speculated before that Nagilum may have been a Q who was banished for one reason or another eons ago, maybe due to being unstable or different from the other members of his species in some way. The void almost acts as a prison for him which he can call from but not actually step away from.
God, imagine a sociopathic Q, that's basically Nagilum in a nutshell.
VERY GOOD EPISODE! Loved it
I would say that the experiment did not end. Nagilum, although never appearing to Picard or the crew, most likely watched them from wherever he was from and continued evaluating the crew for his research. Does it justify what he did to them? No, but I believe he did not just disappear; he's out there.
He's pepe the frog. A hole in space is where all dead memes go. Thank god they got out before the rage faces came along.
Pepe is still very much alive on Twitch. Half the global emotes there are variants.
Pepe sucks after 4chan stole him. Bastards.
@@MLBlue30 prpe orriginated on 4chan..?
😂😂...
@@HazraPanda
Pepe originated from a comic called "Boys Club"
"STAR TREK ISNT REAL!! I mean, Star Trek isn't *real*, but, STAR TREK ISNT REAL!!" Quote of the channel right there.
Nagilum remains one of the most horrifying things in the Star Trek setting. The Q, while certainly more powerful, are more fascinating and less interesting because, for all their power, they are, on the whole, quite indifferent to the universe, given their state of being. However Nagilum occupies that weird space (no pun intended) of being very alien and powerful, but not so much as to be indifferent to what is happening around it. It is much like a god of greek mythology in this regard and more horrifying for it.
Nagilum also couldn't just stop the SelfDestruct sequence