Lore wasn't the first android, and Juliana was so afraid of that occurring she refused to take Data with them because she didn't want to have her heart broken again if they had to deactivate him.
As I understood it, they did not know Lore was homocidal when they first deactivated him. But he was just a bit too perfect and human for the colonists comfort. Remember, Lor was the crafty sneaky ‘I am your friend’ type of bad guy. Lords real plans for the colonists didn’t come to light until after they had deactivated him and they had already built data. Lor was deactivated because he was too human and made the colonists nervous, not because he was secretly planning to sacrifice the entire colony to the crystalline entity.
@@Krahazik lore was the most competent enemy in star trek, period. he even manipulated the borg. truly a force to be reckoned with. by the same token i believe data is the finest officer in starfleet if he were given a chance at command
One of the most emotional moments in Star Trek is where the admiral is describing Data trying to save the life of his daughter 'his hands' 'moving faster than I could see'. Data's hands have moved fast on camera, but not beyond the human eye's ability to see. Data was OVERCLOCKING HIMSELF.
That was one of the episodes that convinced me that Data already had emotions. Even if he is the only one that doesn't realize it. A truly emotionless logical android would have understood that Lal was beyond saving and simply given up. Data was attempting to save his child, and kept working long after he knew that she was dying when he couldn't do anything to stop it.
homework; research the etymology of _nitty gritty_ then laugh merrily at its liberal use on television by those who would be horrified if they knew what it meant 👍
@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html Implied here is a debunking of it's alleged racist origins as the term appears post slavery. Though with slang one can never definitively nail down it's earliest roots. Try reading up on Polari by the way if you want to get really confused about how language works. It's dizzying.
@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 Well, nowadays meeting is according to the usage by CI, the etymology is, for what I can tell, pretty vague and contested. The only thing we know for sure that it appeared in in 1920's Jazz slang.
I would think his proximity to a heat source, like a star, would determine the length of time he/ they could spend in space. For instance, Pluto is a hell of a lot colder than Earth. If Lore were in deep interstellar space, then it could conceivably be a long time.
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 External heat from the star wouldn't necessarily be the issue. The problem is the ability to transfer heat away from high energy internal components before they become too hot and fail, which would be difficult without some way to dump heat into the atmosphere. Given that his head functioned in hibernation mode for 500 years separated from his body though, it's implied he could go into shutdown mode to prevent heat buildup. Shutting down in this way would be essentially going into a coma as his life could resume unhindered once he was awakened, which is likely what Lore did.
There was also mentioned in the TNG episode "Inheritance", that there is an algorithm that determines the random appearance of his blinking. But, because it is an algorithm, it is predictable and this is how he is able to determine that his "mother" is in fact another Soong type android.
It was confirmed in the show that his breathing is indeed a cooling function. One could also assume that his breathing works with both air and water, and that his systems will make do with only pumping cooling fluid in the vacuum of space since the parts of his body that are in shade would be quite cold.
Cooling in space is a pain, as you cant use conduction/convection, only radiation. You actually dont freeze to death in a vacuum very quickly at all, just nothing to lose the heat to.
That's right. Not even The Mountain nor any of his Strongest Man competitors can achieve that. Even were your grip strong enough I think your fingertips would be ruined for a fortnight afterwards.
Star Trek doesn't use bytes, it uses quads. They store much more information, since each bit can store 4 possible states instead of two. 8 binary bits can store 256 possible states. 8 quads can store 65,536. The difference gets even bigger with larger numbers.
I wonder if these quads represent a type of analog bits. Contrary to popular belief, analog processors are actually superior to digital processors with a reduced heat output. It's just that they are much more difficult to program for. While a digital Boolean is either yes or no, an analog Boolean is either mostly yes or mostly no. If we used an analog processor, but artificially limited it to a set number of positions arbitrarily, we could probably get the best of both worlds. We are seeing more of them in used today because of of better energy efficiency over digital. A lot of people think that Moore's law has ended, but it really hasn't. Moore's Law is not about the speed of a computer but rather the number of transistors. The number of transistors have been increasing, but more transistors means more heat so work is being done on optimization, but with analog region on chips we can continue to increase the transistor count. We're seeing this right now in drones because Energy Efficiency is extremely important there, but we'll see this trickle into the rest of computing over time.
@@BlokenArrow No. 8 million bits is a megabyte. 8 billion bits is a gigabyte. 8 trillion bits is a terabyte, and 8 quadrillion bits is a petabyte. Thus 800 quadrillion bits is 100 petabytes
Ahhh, we already knew Riker was an idiot. Incidentally those trillions of operations, what was it, 20 trillion / second? That's already outstripped by modern multi-core processors, some PCs have more data processing power than Data has. Of course you could argue over what an "operation" is. I imagine they came up with 20 trillion by taking the fastest computers of the day, multiplying by a thousand, adding a couple of zeros, then doubling it. Took, what, a bit under 30 years for that to be obsoleted. The first PCs didn't even do a million ops / sec, now they're in the hundred trillions.
Data is also anatomically correct and he can vibrate. How else can you explain his numerous girlfriends while chief engineer Geordie was always being friend zoned??
I find it funny that while certain elements of Data, such as his strength, human-like thinking, durability, and movement, are all far beyond what we could potentially create now, we can easily surpass his processing power and storage capacities. 60TFLOPS is pretty much nothing with a high core count CPU and a few GPUs, which could probably be crammed into a skull with the right cooling. 100PB isn't all that much, and could also be compacted pretty well.
2 years later? 100,000 terabytes is a lot for a personal computer. But using 50 terabytes per person, physically or online per year prob very feasible now.
The upgraded data in the "Persistence of Memory" book series was awesome. Took everything missing in the TV series, and improved it to make him 10x more capable. Could even camoflage himself.
And at least one episode where they accidentally let one through. He said, "it's me". I can't imagine the hassle of dealing with such continuity errors on set.
While Data could not "master" contractions, he _could use them_. I see that as that he just wasn't sure when they would sound most natural. Also, Lal had developed a better control over contractions. Since he has reintegrated her into his own subroutines, it is also plausible that by that time his own understanding of them had improved. Finally, since he and his surroundings have become so accustomed to his speech mostly not including them, he could've also ended up making the conscious decision to not use them. Perhaps similar in a way to Stephen Hawking choosing to stick with his outdated CallText voice.
@@FiXato Not trying to troll your comment but it is clearly stated many times HE CAN NOT use contractions. In fact there is a scene where Riker determines that he's talking to a false data because he uses a contraction.
if data's character was conceived today instead of the 80's I wonder how different this 24th century android would be? I bet he would have some type of wifi and we'd never see him "reading" from the enterprise library.
I think it would still depend on design philosophy. Data's reclusive, eccentric designer preferred books, whereas we see that Star Trek has long predicted wireless interconnectivity with the PADDs and tricorders being noted Federation examples of the technology, and with the Borg in general being a wirelessly connected species.
I remember his Type R Phase Discriminator the most. i loved how adjusting it allowed him to shift out of Phase and interact with other beings in Time's Arrow episode.
Artificial neural networks are actually here. The openworm project, for example, was used to create the world's first free willed robot powered by the literal brain of a flatworm. Granted, it's brain was very simple, but it was perfectly simulated to be indistinguishable from a real flesh-and-blood brain. There are also projects by IBM to simulate a mouse brain in the same way, and even if we can't get full speed out of it from the perspective of the mouse being simulated time is moving normally. Very early versions of this could be seen in a game called creatures by cyber-life back in the 90s. This wasn't a fully simulated connectome, but the creatures were programmed with a simulated neurology and simulated biochemistry. They took the approach of biochemical drives and the creatures could learn and adapt and make their own decisions.
@@EnDSchultz1 That's actually why I still run Windows 9X in a virtual machine, since it's the only way to play it with ALL genetics files and community add-ons is. One problem with the drive system though is that if all needs are met creatures will spend generations in one area. Then again, the same could be said for humans.
Data is a fantastic character invention . Really enhanced this brilliant series. Particularly liked the episode where he took control of the enterprise when he neared his home planet despite the best efforts of the crew. Somebody good to have with you in a fight 🖒
Kind of makes one wonder how the transporter can do what it does without killing Data. (Although arguably, every time anyone or anything is transported, the original is effectively destroyed during matter-energy conversion, and a fresh copy is recreated during reconversion from energy to matter on the other end.) The fact that the transporter can even *flawlessly* transport a human body and brain (with very occasional failures) is astounding!
A very good concise overview of Data's Specs and Capabilities. One thing you didn't mention regarding his "technology" is how SOUNDLESS his servos and other mechanical components are, at least when he was no internal components showing. You can't hear any sounds of machinery when he's "on" or moving. In fact often in the show people have mistaken him for an actual organic life-form even when standing right next to him. Perhaps his "skin" help to deaden the sounds or else his components are incredibly advance and constantly well lubricated to not make any sound.
Data with blue eyes in the "Parallels" episode was interesting. Somewhere in the omniverse, is a cyborg-not android-with a positronic brain.🤔 In the comics, Mirror universe Data looked like Lore with Borg upgrades. 🤪
To be fair, Federation sciences and engineers have the necessary understanding to construct android bodies similar to Data's Soong type body. It's his positronic brain that they can't figure out because.....reasons.
@@TymersRealm There were a few isolated incidents most notably, the M-5 supercomputer, but the problem with it was that its central processor was modeled after the neurological profile of its creator who was mentally unstable to say the least. Replicating the Soong type android should be relatively simple in the TNG era. Transporter, replicator, and holographic technology would make such a task relatively easy. Replicator technology shares the same basic technological principle as a transporter as it is an energy/matter conversion system. Data has been successfully transported on numerous occasions and his transporter patterns are on file. That means that the exact composition of his constituent parts and component materials are on file as he can be successfully disassembled and reassembled at the sub-molecular level. As far as AI is concerned, they know how to make holographic representations of people who possess a faximily of the full mental/emotional spectrum. With the advent of replicator and holographic technology, there is no in universe reason why anything that can be transported can't also be replicated. They can't replicate a positronic brain because tech tech plot service quantum.
@@UncleMikeDrop the problem is the scratch built part. Processing is easy its writing the code for the mind. Take into account the only reason the robots in "Quality of life" were as intelligent as Data is because they had self repair systems for their positronic brains and self built their mental pathways. The EMH and its derivatives were mental scans of existing brains or based off of scripts( like Moriarty).
@@barrybend7189 No it's really not as they have built multiple AI units from scratch and custom parts become irrelevant when you can literally convert energy into matter. There is no in universe reason why they can't mass produce the soong type android.
@@UncleMikeDrop no I'm saying Soonge made and grew what can be considered human from scratch. Starfleet never attempted to make their own human intelligence. EMH had operational restrictions and holoprogram AI were very simple in comparison to the EMH( unless glitches and continued operations be damned). Data did not have any Human derived architecture in his positronic brain. Think how Doctor Light in Megaman built X. Without assistance or medical scans made a mind equal to humans.
In TOS there were a couple of episodes where some unnamed (and unknown) civilizations conveniently produced some pretty advanced androids that the crew of the Enterprise got to encounter but strangely nothing further came from any of those encounters at least as far as cybernetics went. I forget the titles but one was the one where Nurse Chapel reconnects with an old boyfriend who turned out to be a robotic version of the original guy (and Lurch was in that one too) and then that Harry Mudd episode where he was trapped on a world of androids (one of which just happened to look like his ex-wife). So they had pretty advanced androids quite a while before Dr. Soong made his breakthroughs.
There are books that explore the wider world of Data learning about other AI in the Trek universe, and man that book is fantastic. Sadly, I do not remember the title of the book.
I love Data. seeing him become more and more human like through the series was very enjoyable. When he died I actually cried a bit. I cant wait to see how B4 with Data's memories has progressed.
Those specs and measurements actually came from the TNG episode , “the most Toys “ when a collectors assistant scanned his weights and measures to fake his death
Is energy recovered when a replicator desynthesizes food? If so, might this be a possible backup power source for data? Alternatively, could he internally replicate materials needed for general maintenance in the absence of external technology? Considering the episode where he had amnesia on a primitive world.
Why stop there? Use the replicator system to make more Data. They shouldn’t have to know how Data works to replicate him molecule by molecule. And if the replicated Data doesn’t have the spark of life, they could still dissect the copy for study.
@@maranscandy9350 That's a very good point, especially since Transporters can duplicate humans and even merge two entirely different species into a single coherent consciousness despite replicators not being able to. It should be possible to intentionally create a transporter "accident" for a clone army or to replicate Data perfectly. If each one is intended to be unique, they could use the pattern buffers to filter out the Data clone's neural connections effectively resetting the copy to factory settings.
Kinda wished to see more interaction between data and the borg. I heard the borg queen talk to data in first contact but the borg had to do something different with data then anyone else so was interesting to know what the borg actually though of him past a being made by another imperfect being speach
That's painfully dumb though. His observed exertions would require him to blast out super heated gas to have any real effect of cooling. And obviously would render him quickly "dead" in a vacuum.
This also makes me miss the opportunity they had in Picard to replace the actors with new ones. They could keep the characters and explore all kinds of new opportunities with them changing as they adapt to the new body.
We can't even figure out how we work and decide about things, what makes us really "tick", so yeah, we definitely should not try to create any AI yet...
Dunno about that anvil thing, it was a workshop anvil which are up to 500lbs. But it wasn't the weight so much as the _way_ he picked it up. He lifted that giant hunk of iron like we would pick up a can of soup or a dropped pencil! I would say that's superhuman- and although I can't remember the episode precisely (I think it was either the one with Bruce Maddox or the one where Data created Lal), I'm almost certain they stated on the show that he had indeed, superhuman strength.
f one pays close attention what Captian Picard says about Data’s daughter, Lal -- he stated that Lal had “the strength of ten men.” That is, we can suppose Data’s sttrength approaches or slightly exceeds this value.
8:04 the diagram says "cat memes, personality, functions, ship operations, arty stuff, memories, electric sheep, comedy studies" and I find this hilarious.
With Federation vessels it could be the only legal way for them to operate. Perhaps they only appear to look like standard running lights, but they have other subspace functionality for navigation purposes.
@@theyarehere8919 could you clarify your statement? I posited a possible reason for their running/navigation lights, and you didn't give a canon reason for my reason to be wrong. So I can ignore your statement at this time.
It was Tasha Yar because she said to Data when she'd recovered "It! Never! Happened!" Although I got the implication that she shagged half the crew while she was afflicted.
4:25, Data wouldn't need "thermal regulation" if he was underwater or in a vacuum, as both a lake and outer space are very cold. That's why he can stop "breathing" and still be okay for an extended period of time.
My mom went to high school with him but the geeks and theater people didn't interact much. There were a few other people that came out of that school during the same timeframe. Ironically nearby is "Jess Borg field" that always makes me laugh when I drive by.
Interesting. Whats your take on Data in S01 E07: Justice? He's quoted saying "Everything it knows, I know." In reference to the Edo "God". I feel like this was over looked in a huge way.
It was the episode when a child tried to act like him after taking a liking to him where he said that his breathing and coolant sweating was to cool his interior systems
I got to talk one night at my job to a designer who creates robots that can play musical instruments. he said the biggest problem w/articulated servos is heat. Data would have to have an incredible heat sink and venting system.
You might have mentioned it but Data also has super fast reflexes. Several times he instantly reacts to something with lightning speed, such as when early on in the show a plant strikes out at Geordie and Data instantly catches it the moment it moves. Or when someone threw something at his head while his back was turned and he was able to easily catch what was thrown with barely a second to react. He's also able to type super fast. His eyes are also able to detect the slightest of movements, hence how he knew time wasnt frozen but was actually just moving immensely slowly (I dont remember what the episode is called. Its the one where Picard draws a smiley face in the smoke from the warp core). Also I don't recall Data ever using infrared vision. Does anyone know an example of when he does cuz I dont recall his eyes ever being used in that way.
The point is that we do not need humanlike robots or androids. If you see the new robots of Boston Dynamics they are developed for purposes that do not require a humanlike body or the ability to speak.
I choose to ignore Data being effected by the polywater intoxication because it is just so ridiculous. I think the writers had him affected because they just couldn't come up with away for the ship to be in mortal danger without Data being comprimised. There have been other episodes where Data had to be gotten out of the way in order for the story to work, for example Picard randomly chooses Data to accompany him chasing down a rogue torpedo while the crew of the Enterprise are de-evolved by the Barclay virus.
In that episode (called "The Naked Now", I think) I tend to agree with you. If I recall the production schedule for TNG at the time was so tight that they resorted to re-using "The Naked Time" from TOS with minor tweaks. First seasons are hard for series, so I don't blame them too much. Different writers for different episodes can cause continuity errors, and needing to work around someone or something. How many times do the transporters fail so they can't be used to save everyone, right away? I try to understand the limitations of budget and time and just enjoy the show anyway. :) It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think Data was intoxicated the same way the organics were. Instead, he may have appeared drunk because his higher functions were receiving corrupted information. He was able to perform tasks like inserting the isolinear chips when told to (and yes, helping Tasha when she asked him), but his judgement was impaired. It could even have been something like him being programmed to be "drunk" under the proper conditions.
I'm sure Data was a headache for a great deal of writers. He wasn't the only thing writers had to work around though. Just think of how many episodes would be over immediately or have absolutely no danger involved if the transporters and warp core ejection systems weren't always going offline? A good chunk of many episode writings had to involve how to invent a new McGuffin to make the obvious solution unavailable. I think *at least once* we should have seen them do a successful warp core ejection and explosion, to prove to the audience that it wasn't a joke of a safety measure, considering just how dangerous a damaged warp core was, time and time again.
@@virt1one Voyager did a real warp core ejection and recovery at least twice. Insurrection did a core ejection and detonation against the son'a subspace weapon.
I’d say gordi had extensive knowledge probs classed as an expert on Soong type androids. He should have installed a personal shield I think in the Picard series data’s brain and been uploaded into the computer, and he can appear as a hologram now.
Y'all know he's the Pinocchio of the series, right. I grew up on this, TNG is my favorite show of all time. And the similarities between this and classic literature is satisfying.
Qualcomm's new SnapDragon Elite-X Chip features neural-acceleration hardware capable of 45 Trillion Operations per Second and whats more its among the first chips intended to run local LLMs (large language models like chatGPT). seeing us nearly surpassing the fictional specs makes me realize how quickly we are progress
Inquiry: In the episode “Measure of Man,” Riker looks at Data’s schematics. At first Riker smiles with interest but after a moment he appears to think and look down with dismay. What was the actor and director trying to convey?
Duranium isn't a fictional alloy it merely requires star treck levels of smelting and forging to make.... but, duranium is specialized titanium silicate alloy. It's all duranium but different depending on what part of the ship it is
A good example of how Data can get "viruses" was the Contagion episode of TNG, where he was infected by an Iconian code that interfered with his operating system so to speak. Took a hard reboot for him to return to life and to normal, before they realized they needed to do the same with the computer core of the Enterprise D (and the Romulan ship facing them off).
I noticed at 9:58 the numbers didn't look right, so I got curious Data's brain is measured in TFLOPS, the IBM summit is measured in PFLOPS. That isn't 3 times as powerful, that's more like 3,000 times as powerful! So that got me thinking, how close could we get? Turns out NVIDIA is working something that'll do 30 TeraFLOPS in only one chip (look up NVIDIA XAVIER). That's not all, it's designed for AI, Looks like we can do this in a form factor the size of only 2 GPU chips! The storage is going to be an issue though.
Please for all things great please tell me how you got the tng technical manual to work on a modern PC. I have the original disk from way back and it won't install on Windows 10
Human heart isn’t offset. It’s central and tilted. The image used in simple diagrams tilts the heart to show the left ventricles larger size. This falsely gives the impression that it’s massively offcenter.
Missed the 'fully functional' elements that he showed Tasha Yar.
And possibly the Borg Queen.
@@stefangla6878 Which also means he fucked the entire collective. Which is...even more creepier.
I wondered about that function myself haha
@Lost Aquarian i was about to say that about data when he was drunk him and the lt mmmmm
Didn't someone close to Data mention that at one point Dr. Soong had to program a modesty algorithm to keep him from running around in the buff?
here's a fact a lot of people forget, his head is 500 years older than his body
Ha I just watched that episode today actually.
@@tendividedbysix4835 Times Arrow.
Was it not 500 years?
It was actually closer to 500 years. Late 19th to late 24th century.
500
It's interesting that after the first Soong android went homicidal he still went with the bulletproof skin and super strength on the new model
Lore wasn't the first android, and Juliana was so afraid of that occurring she refused to take Data with them because she didn't want to have her heart broken again if they had to deactivate him.
As I understood it, they did not know Lore was homocidal when they first deactivated him. But he was just a bit too perfect and human for the colonists comfort. Remember, Lor was the crafty sneaky ‘I am your friend’ type of bad guy. Lords real plans for the colonists didn’t come to light until after they had deactivated him and they had already built data. Lor was deactivated because he was too human and made the colonists nervous, not because he was secretly planning to sacrifice the entire colony to the crystalline entity.
Sammy Martin nobody ever said Soong was a “stable” genius
@@Krahazik lore was the most competent enemy in star trek, period.
he even manipulated the borg. truly a force to be reckoned with.
by the same token i believe data is the finest officer in starfleet if he were given a chance at command
Lmao
One of the most emotional moments in Star Trek is where the admiral is describing Data trying to save the life of his daughter 'his hands' 'moving faster than I could see'. Data's hands have moved fast on camera, but not beyond the human eye's ability to see. Data was OVERCLOCKING HIMSELF.
Oh man forgot all about that, what episode was that again want to go back and rewatch.
@@sparkymist The Offspring.
X X ok awesome thanks!!!
That was one of the episodes that convinced me that Data already had emotions. Even if he is the only one that doesn't realize it. A truly emotionless logical android would have understood that Lal was beyond saving and simply given up. Data was attempting to save his child, and kept working long after he knew that she was dying when he couldn't do anything to stop it.
@@henrynorcrossii3363 And then he transferred Lal's memories into his own brain as a final way of saving her, in a fashion; don't forget that
So basically Data unlocks new abilities everytime he levels up.
Like a Tesla. This is the way.
Like he is someone avatar in a huge mmorpg lol
"We're going to take a look at their nitty gritties!"
Data: "I AM fully functional."
homework; research the etymology of _nitty gritty_ then laugh merrily at its liberal use on television by those who would be horrified if they knew what it meant 👍
@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html Implied here is a debunking of it's alleged racist origins as the term appears post slavery. Though with slang one can never definitively nail down it's earliest roots. Try reading up on Polari by the way if you want to get really confused about how language works. It's dizzying.
@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 Well, nowadays meeting is according to the usage by CI, the etymology is, for what I can tell, pretty vague and contested. The only thing we know for sure that it appeared in in 1920's Jazz slang.
@Zerebrat Eightyseven And Yar. And probably that crewman he dated for a while.
teehee :)
"Robots don't have any emotions, and sometimes that makes me very sad" - B. B. Rodriguez
It was explained Data cannot survive in space for long term, he needs "air" as part of his heat management function.
Cooling a real life satellite is quite a pain, since heat sinks normally transfer their heat to the air...
Then how did lore ?
It's a small nitpick, but I believe he said that he can survive in space for a limited time, but did not imply if the length would be short or long.
I would think his proximity to a heat source, like a star, would determine the length of time he/ they could spend in space. For instance, Pluto is a hell of a lot colder than Earth. If Lore were in deep interstellar space, then it could conceivably be a long time.
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 External heat from the star wouldn't necessarily be the issue. The problem is the ability to transfer heat away from high energy internal components before they become too hot and fail, which would be difficult without some way to dump heat into the atmosphere. Given that his head functioned in hibernation mode for 500 years separated from his body though, it's implied he could go into shutdown mode to prevent heat buildup. Shutting down in this way would be essentially going into a coma as his life could resume unhindered once he was awakened, which is likely what Lore did.
"Being Lore appropriate". I see what you did there
I always referred to Lore as "Bad Data".
Yeah, a weak joke, but there it is.
There was also mentioned in the TNG episode "Inheritance", that there is an algorithm that determines the random appearance of his blinking. But, because it is an algorithm, it is predictable and this is how he is able to determine that his "mother" is in fact another Soong type android.
It was confirmed in the show that his breathing is indeed a cooling function. One could also assume that his breathing works with both air and water, and that his systems will make do with only pumping cooling fluid in the vacuum of space since the parts of his body that are in shade would be quite cold.
Cooling in space is a pain, as you cant use conduction/convection, only radiation. You actually dont freeze to death in a vacuum very quickly at all, just nothing to lose the heat to.
picking up an anvil with a pinch grip is indeed superhuman.
That's right. Not even The Mountain nor any of his Strongest Man competitors can achieve that. Even were your grip strong enough I think your fingertips would be ruined for a fortnight afterwards.
Haha I watched that episode not too long ago. Fantastic!
He lifted that anvil effortlessly, like it was nothing more than a hollow plastic prop. Definitely superhuman.
Anvils weight a literal us ton. Absolutely superhuman.
All data storage sizes shall now be described in units of Fallout 76 Day One patches.
What and how would one go about this?
" It just works! " ~ Dr Noonien Soong
Star Trek doesn't use bytes, it uses quads. They store much more information, since each bit can store 4 possible states instead of two.
8 binary bits can store 256 possible states. 8 quads can store 65,536. The difference gets even bigger with larger numbers.
While that is true, Data's err, data storage capacity was cited as 800 quadrillion bits in The Measure of a Man. Which is indeed 100 Petabytes
Actually that is not true. 8 bits can store 256 possible states
I wonder if these quads represent a type of analog bits. Contrary to popular belief, analog processors are actually superior to digital processors with a reduced heat output. It's just that they are much more difficult to program for. While a digital Boolean is either yes or no, an analog Boolean is either mostly yes or mostly no. If we used an analog processor, but artificially limited it to a set number of positions arbitrarily, we could probably get the best of both worlds.
We are seeing more of them in used today because of of better energy efficiency over digital. A lot of people think that Moore's law has ended, but it really hasn't. Moore's Law is not about the speed of a computer but rather the number of transistors. The number of transistors have been increasing, but more transistors means more heat so work is being done on optimization, but with analog region on chips we can continue to increase the transistor count. We're seeing this right now in drones because Energy Efficiency is extremely important there, but we'll see this trickle into the rest of computing over time.
8 quadrillion bits is a terabyte, not a petabyte
@@BlokenArrow No. 8 million bits is a megabyte. 8 billion bits is a gigabyte. 8 trillion bits is a terabyte, and 8 quadrillion bits is a petabyte. Thus 800 quadrillion bits is 100 petabytes
Captain Riker- "Data, what happened to those MILLIONS of calculations per second?"
Love that scene...
Shall we end this charade?
“No you can’t, don’t even try”
@@kellyweingart3692 "Shut up! As in CLOSE YOUR MOUTH!"
Ahhh, we already knew Riker was an idiot.
Incidentally those trillions of operations, what was it, 20 trillion / second? That's already outstripped by modern multi-core processors, some PCs have more data processing power than Data has. Of course you could argue over what an "operation" is.
I imagine they came up with 20 trillion by taking the fastest computers of the day, multiplying by a thousand, adding a couple of zeros, then doubling it. Took, what, a bit under 30 years for that to be obsoleted. The first PCs didn't even do a million ops / sec, now they're in the hundred trillions.
Data is also anatomically correct and he can vibrate. How else can you explain his numerous girlfriends while chief engineer Geordie was always being friend zoned??
Geordie was friend zoned because he was just to nice of a guy.
Geordie wasn't fully functional.
Hahaha you filthy mined nerd
@@jwilliams703 before or after the Lea Braums Incel incident?
@@jwilliams703 or the time he used a woman's personal logs to try and force a romantic connection....
I find it funny that while certain elements of Data, such as his strength, human-like thinking, durability, and movement, are all far beyond what we could potentially create now, we can easily surpass his processing power and storage capacities. 60TFLOPS is pretty much nothing with a high core count CPU and a few GPUs, which could probably be crammed into a skull with the right cooling. 100PB isn't all that much, and could also be compacted pretty well.
2 years later? 100,000 terabytes is a lot for a personal computer. But using 50 terabytes per person, physically or online per year prob very feasible now.
True, but the was the 80s when all that computing power would have been considered tremendous.
Would be even funnier if someone makes a general AI that works with exactly those specs.
The upgraded data in the "Persistence of Memory" book series was awesome. Took everything missing in the TV series, and improved it to make him 10x more capable. Could even camoflage himself.
Also Data briefly had the ability to use contractions in the first season until they remembered he can't do that.
And at least one episode where they accidentally let one through. He said, "it's me". I can't imagine the hassle of dealing with such continuity errors on set.
While Data could not "master" contractions, he _could use them_. I see that as that he just wasn't sure when they would sound most natural.
Also, Lal had developed a better control over contractions. Since he has reintegrated her into his own subroutines, it is also plausible that by that time his own understanding of them had improved.
Finally, since he and his surroundings have become so accustomed to his speech mostly not including them, he could've also ended up making the conscious decision to not use them. Perhaps similar in a way to Stephen Hawking choosing to stick with his outdated CallText voice.
Also Data couldn't whistle in the pilot episode. Data, while "possessed" by Dr. Ira Graves, in season 2 could whistle.
@@FiXato Not trying to troll your comment but it is clearly stated many times HE CAN NOT use contractions. In fact there is a scene where Riker determines that he's talking to a false data because he uses a contraction.
@@patrickmccurry1563 Especially with us "Trekkers" picking everything apart, haha.
1:25 forgot the scene where the Klingon headbuts him?
That was awesome.
They did the Klingon version of arm wrestling too and he stomped that guy and went right back to his book.
7:03 The picture to the bottom left of the diagram shows that he didn't forget about the scene.
@@The.Breakfast.Burrito party pooper
if data's character was conceived today instead of the 80's I wonder how different this 24th century android would be? I bet he would have some type of wifi and we'd never see him "reading" from the enterprise library.
It would probably be like how Seven of Nine and the Doctor can access large amounts of information from databases
I think it would still depend on design philosophy. Data's reclusive, eccentric designer preferred books, whereas we see that Star Trek has long predicted wireless interconnectivity with the PADDs and tricorders being noted Federation examples of the technology, and with the Borg in general being a wirelessly connected species.
I remember his Type R Phase Discriminator the most. i loved how adjusting it allowed him to shift out of Phase and interact with other beings in Time's Arrow episode.
and Lor's was type L as I recall
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Artificial neural networks are actually here. The openworm project, for example, was used to create the world's first free willed robot powered by the literal brain of a flatworm. Granted, it's brain was very simple, but it was perfectly simulated to be indistinguishable from a real flesh-and-blood brain. There are also projects by IBM to simulate a mouse brain in the same way, and even if we can't get full speed out of it from the perspective of the mouse being simulated time is moving normally.
Very early versions of this could be seen in a game called creatures by cyber-life back in the 90s. This wasn't a fully simulated connectome, but the creatures were programmed with a simulated neurology and simulated biochemistry. They took the approach of biochemical drives and the creatures could learn and adapt and make their own decisions.
I remember Creatures. Loved that game.
@@EnDSchultz1 That's actually why I still run Windows 9X in a virtual machine, since it's the only way to play it with ALL genetics files and community add-ons is.
One problem with the drive system though is that if all needs are met creatures will spend generations in one area. Then again, the same could be said for humans.
Well already we know that Data is fully equipped...
Data is a fantastic character invention . Really enhanced this brilliant series. Particularly liked the episode where he took control of the enterprise when he neared his home planet despite the best efforts of the crew. Somebody good to have with you in a fight 🖒
Starfleet engineers could probably replicate the body, but not the brain
Kind of makes one wonder how the transporter can do what it does without killing Data. (Although arguably, every time anyone or anything is transported, the original is effectively destroyed during matter-energy conversion, and a fresh copy is recreated during reconversion from energy to matter on the other end.)
The fact that the transporter can even *flawlessly* transport a human body and brain (with very occasional failures) is astounding!
A very good concise overview of Data's Specs and Capabilities. One thing you didn't mention regarding his "technology" is how SOUNDLESS his servos and other mechanical components are, at least when he was no internal components showing. You can't hear any sounds of machinery when he's "on" or moving. In fact often in the show people have mistaken him for an actual organic life-form even when standing right next to him. Perhaps his "skin" help to deaden the sounds or else his components are incredibly advance and constantly well lubricated to not make any sound.
Data with blue eyes in the "Parallels" episode was interesting.
Somewhere in the omniverse, is a cyborg-not android-with a positronic brain.🤔 In the comics, Mirror universe Data looked like Lore with Borg upgrades. 🤪
I am honesty surprised that not every single response is "fully functional" related.
Thanks for the great vid on one of the most beloved ST characters of all time!
Your videos are .....fully functional...at providing me hours of joy. I'm finally subscribing to your channel. I regret it took so long !
Ok, best one of your videos I've watched. Most tend to ramble at the end with no satisfying conclusion.
To be fair, Federation sciences and engineers have the necessary understanding to construct android bodies similar to Data's Soong type body. It's his positronic brain that they can't figure out because.....reasons.
Well the federation has always had problems in AI development.
@@TymersRealm There were a few isolated incidents most notably, the M-5 supercomputer, but the problem with it was that its central processor was modeled after the neurological profile of its creator who was mentally unstable to say the least.
Replicating the Soong type android should be relatively simple in the TNG era. Transporter, replicator, and holographic technology would make such a task relatively easy.
Replicator technology shares the same basic technological principle as a transporter as it is an energy/matter conversion system.
Data has been successfully transported on numerous occasions and his transporter patterns are on file. That means that the exact composition of his constituent parts and component materials are on file as he can be successfully disassembled and reassembled at the sub-molecular level. As far as AI is concerned, they know how to make holographic representations of people who possess a faximily of the full mental/emotional spectrum. With the advent of replicator and holographic technology, there is no in universe reason why anything that can be transported can't also be replicated. They can't replicate a positronic brain because tech tech plot service quantum.
@@UncleMikeDrop the problem is the scratch built part. Processing is easy its writing the code for the mind. Take into account the only reason the robots in "Quality of life" were as intelligent as Data is because they had self repair systems for their positronic brains and self built their mental pathways. The EMH and its derivatives were mental scans of existing brains or based off of scripts( like Moriarty).
@@barrybend7189 No it's really not as they have built multiple AI units from scratch and custom parts become irrelevant when you can literally convert energy into matter. There is no in universe reason why they can't mass produce the soong type android.
@@UncleMikeDrop no I'm saying Soonge made and grew what can be considered human from scratch. Starfleet never attempted to make their own human intelligence. EMH had operational restrictions and holoprogram AI were very simple in comparison to the EMH( unless glitches and continued operations be damned). Data did not have any Human derived architecture in his positronic brain. Think how Doctor Light in Megaman built X. Without assistance or medical scans made a mind equal to humans.
In TOS there were a couple of episodes where some unnamed (and unknown) civilizations conveniently produced some pretty advanced androids that the crew of the Enterprise got to encounter but strangely nothing further came from any of those encounters at least as far as cybernetics went. I forget the titles but one was the one where Nurse Chapel reconnects with an old boyfriend who turned out to be a robotic version of the original guy (and Lurch was in that one too) and then that Harry Mudd episode where he was trapped on a world of androids (one of which just happened to look like his ex-wife). So they had pretty advanced androids quite a while before Dr. Soong made his breakthroughs.
There are books that explore the wider world of Data learning about other AI in the Trek universe, and man that book is fantastic. Sadly, I do not remember the title of the book.
Immortal Coil
The episodes are "What Little Girls Are Made Of and "I,Mudd".
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AMAZING! I like these unique and side bar videos! Thank you!
I love Data. seeing him become more and more human like through the series was very enjoyable. When he died I actually cried a bit. I cant wait to see how B4 with Data's memories has progressed.
aah the good old Starfleet Technical Manual'
Chapter one: Thank you for purchasing our Soong-type Android.
What's the music used around 7:45? Have been looking for it for a while but never been able to find it, it's used in a lot of the videos.
Yeah, but can he run Crysis?
Maybe or maybe not, but when we've got Doom running on toasters these days, I guarantee you that he has that somewhere in there.
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No, the real question is, can he run Trespasser?
11:05 anyone else realize the fact that he's wearing the skin of his assimilated crewmates? just me? Okay.
It was supposed to be synthetic skin use for medical grafts.
@XeroEX ...pretty sure the borg knew how to grow skin at that point. But funny thought! 😂
Same here, data ain't special
Those specs and measurements actually came from the TNG episode , “the most Toys “ when a collectors assistant scanned his weights and measures to fake his death
In part, but I also recognised the composition of this skull from "The Chase".
That subtle 76 burn deserves a chefs kiss
Is energy recovered when a replicator desynthesizes food? If so, might this be a possible backup power source for data? Alternatively, could he internally replicate materials needed for general maintenance in the absence of external technology? Considering the episode where he had amnesia on a primitive world.
Why stop there? Use the replicator system to make more Data. They shouldn’t have to know how Data works to replicate him molecule by molecule. And if the replicated Data doesn’t have the spark of life, they could still dissect the copy for study.
@@maranscandy9350 That's a very good point, especially since Transporters can duplicate humans and even merge two entirely different species into a single coherent consciousness despite replicators not being able to. It should be possible to intentionally create a transporter "accident" for a clone army or to replicate Data perfectly. If each one is intended to be unique, they could use the pattern buffers to filter out the Data clone's neural connections effectively resetting the copy to factory settings.
Surprisingly, Data is so advanced that even the Borg can't reprogram him. Not only that, the Borg also can't break any encryptions made by Data.
I wish they had done an episode with the fully sapient androids they ran into in TOS, they were only sealed into that asteroid.
My favorite memory was during the trial where you find out he loved tasha yar and misses her
"Our relationship was.... special."
I love how detailed you are in your videos
Kinda wished to see more interaction between data and the borg. I heard the borg queen talk to data in first contact but the borg had to do something different with data then anyone else so was interesting to know what the borg actually though of him past a being made by another imperfect being speach
There's a season 7 episode where Data mentions breathing as a method of cooling, I believe. I watched it a couple of days ago
S6. Birthright p1
That's painfully dumb though. His observed exertions would require him to blast out super heated gas to have any real effect of cooling. And obviously would render him quickly "dead" in a vacuum.
At 7:38 is Lor.
I find it interesting that ee can tell the difference between nearly identical characters played by the same actors.
It was stated that he has the strength of 10 men and his daughter was 5.
This also makes me miss the opportunity they had in Picard to replace the actors with new ones. They could keep the characters and explore all kinds of new opportunities with them changing as they adapt to the new body.
We can't even figure out how we work and decide about things, what makes us really "tick", so yeah, we definitely should not try to create any AI yet...
Dunno about that anvil thing, it was a workshop anvil which are up to 500lbs. But it wasn't the weight so much as the _way_ he picked it up. He lifted that giant hunk of iron like we would pick up a can of soup or a dropped pencil! I would say that's superhuman- and although I can't remember the episode precisely (I think it was either the one with Bruce Maddox or the one where Data created Lal), I'm almost certain they stated on the show that he had indeed, superhuman strength.
f one pays close attention what Captian Picard says about Data’s daughter, Lal -- he stated that Lal had “the strength of ten men.” That is, we can suppose Data’s sttrength approaches or slightly exceeds this value.
8:04 the diagram says "cat memes, personality, functions, ship operations, arty stuff, memories, electric sheep, comedy studies" and I find this hilarious.
Thank you, Rick!!! Awesome video, brother!!!
Why do Star Ships have their running lights flashing in outer space?
Some do some don't. Cultural Decision.
With Federation vessels it could be the only legal way for them to operate. Perhaps they only appear to look like standard running lights, but they have other subspace functionality for navigation purposes.
@@henrynorcrossii3363 NO.
@@theyarehere8919 could you clarify your statement? I posited a possible reason for their running/navigation lights, and you didn't give a canon reason for my reason to be wrong. So I can ignore your statement at this time.
I dunno, maybe signaling a turn? I doubt it though, most of the people on earth don't bother to do it, why would they in space?
My favorite emotion showed by data is when he excitedly says "I HATE THIS!" it's just such a mix of opposite emotions it's funny.
Data's height and weight in US measurements are 5'10" and ~220 lbs
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He bent a steel bar? So he's a bending unit?
1 Dislike? 😕 Must've been Lore or The Borg as a collective comment of Trek TH-cam videos.
I'm pretty sure Lore has been deactivated so my guess is either it was The Borg like you said or it was Armus.
It was Tasha Yar because she said to Data when she'd recovered "It! Never! Happened!" Although I got the implication that she shagged half the crew while she was afflicted.
Youngcrane or maybe the Borg queen, she is still probably mad data and Picard fuck her up.
or someone who wants standard measurements also.
@@TheYoungcrane , that doesn't happen until several hundred yrs from now so.......maybe?
The day one patch joke was unexpected. Thanks for the laugh.
What is it exactly that stops his positronic brain from exploding since a positron is an antimatter electron
4:25, Data wouldn't need "thermal regulation" if he was underwater or in a vacuum, as both a lake and outer space are very cold. That's why he can stop "breathing" and still be okay for an extended period of time.
My mom went to high school with him but the geeks and theater people didn't interact much. There were a few other people that came out of that school during the same timeframe. Ironically nearby is "Jess Borg field" that always makes me laugh when I drive by.
I do hope we get more detail on how Data functions in ST Picard.
Not me. Do you demand the working specs of your friends. :-)
Interesting. Whats your take on Data in S01 E07: Justice? He's quoted saying "Everything it knows, I know." In reference to the Edo "God". I feel like this was over looked in a huge way.
It was the episode when a child tried to act like him after taking a liking to him where he said that his breathing and coolant sweating was to cool his interior systems
I got to talk one night at my job to a designer who creates robots that can play musical instruments.
he said the biggest problem w/articulated servos is heat. Data would have to have an incredible heat sink and venting system.
You might have mentioned it but Data also has super fast reflexes. Several times he instantly reacts to something with lightning speed, such as when early on in the show a plant strikes out at Geordie and Data instantly catches it the moment it moves. Or when someone threw something at his head while his back was turned and he was able to easily catch what was thrown with barely a second to react. He's also able to type super fast. His eyes are also able to detect the slightest of movements, hence how he knew time wasnt frozen but was actually just moving immensely slowly (I dont remember what the episode is called. Its the one where Picard draws a smiley face in the smoke from the warp core). Also I don't recall Data ever using infrared vision. Does anyone know an example of when he does cuz I dont recall his eyes ever being used in that way.
The anvil Data picked up is actually closer to a 128 lb anvil. Still heavy, but not as large or heavy as larger metal working shop anvils.
The point is that we do not need humanlike robots or androids. If you see the new robots of Boston Dynamics they are developed for purposes that do not require a humanlike body or the ability to speak.
Now talk about Dr. Light robots.
Okay, I really want the deets on that story with the lake. Is that in one of the movies, or a TNG episode? Or do I need to start looking at novels?
I choose to ignore Data being effected by the polywater intoxication because it is just so ridiculous. I think the writers had him affected because they just couldn't come up with away for the ship to be in mortal danger without Data being comprimised. There have been other episodes where Data had to be gotten out of the way in order for the story to work, for example Picard randomly chooses Data to accompany him chasing down a rogue torpedo while the crew of the Enterprise are de-evolved by the Barclay virus.
In that episode (called "The Naked Now", I think) I tend to agree with you. If I recall the production schedule for TNG at the time was so tight that they resorted to re-using "The Naked Time" from TOS with minor tweaks. First seasons are hard for series, so I don't blame them too much.
Different writers for different episodes can cause continuity errors, and needing to work around someone or something. How many times do the transporters fail so they can't be used to save everyone, right away? I try to understand the limitations of budget and time and just enjoy the show anyway. :)
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think Data was intoxicated the same way the organics were. Instead, he may have appeared drunk because his higher functions were receiving corrupted information. He was able to perform tasks like inserting the isolinear chips when told to (and yes, helping Tasha when she asked him), but his judgement was impaired. It could even have been something like him being programmed to be "drunk" under the proper conditions.
I'm sure Data was a headache for a great deal of writers. He wasn't the only thing writers had to work around though. Just think of how many episodes would be over immediately or have absolutely no danger involved if the transporters and warp core ejection systems weren't always going offline? A good chunk of many episode writings had to involve how to invent a new McGuffin to make the obvious solution unavailable.
I think *at least once* we should have seen them do a successful warp core ejection and explosion, to prove to the audience that it wasn't a joke of a safety measure, considering just how dangerous a damaged warp core was, time and time again.
@@virt1one Voyager did a real warp core ejection and recovery at least twice. Insurrection did a core ejection and detonation against the son'a subspace weapon.
I’d say gordi had extensive knowledge probs classed as an expert on Soong type androids. He should have installed a personal shield
I think in the Picard series data’s brain and been uploaded into the computer, and he can appear as a hologram now.
Wtf this is repulsive syntax. It just about gave me cancer....
Great video dude! I'd love to see a video about David 8 from Prometheus/Covenant if you're interested (great character, not so great films lol)
Loved data. So logical. So wanting to learn. So honest. So unassuming etc etc etc
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cat memes.. electric sheep... arty stuff? and the size of the cat memes? you couldn't resist.. could you...
7:40 Your brilliant joke reminded me to hit the LIKE👍💕button, something I often forget to do.😔
Y'all know he's the Pinocchio of the series, right. I grew up on this, TNG is my favorite show of all time. And the similarities between this and classic literature is satisfying.
Fun fact that mask that data put on his face is one of the casts made from Brent's face I believe it was to make one of Data's heads.
Qualcomm's new SnapDragon Elite-X Chip features neural-acceleration hardware capable of 45 Trillion Operations per Second and whats more its among the first chips intended to run local LLMs (large language models like chatGPT). seeing us nearly surpassing the fictional specs makes me realize how quickly we are progress
Inquiry: In the episode “Measure of Man,” Riker looks at Data’s schematics. At first Riker smiles with interest but after a moment he appears to think and look down with dismay. What was the actor and director trying to convey?
if you watch the episode, riker saw that data had an off switch, and its reveal was in the next courtroom scene.
Great Video!! I wonder how Data's body repairs itself from everyday wear and tear. Anyway, keep up the good work, sir!!😁
There was a book that I read about his body being able to repair through the use of nanobots in his cooling fluid.
@@ThomasPlatt1975 Cool. Sorta like the Borg. Thanks Thomas.😁😁
It was Star trek the next generation the light fantastic
@@ThomasPlatt1975 Thanks I'll check it out.
Data doesn’t need to shutdown or sleep or plugin to recharge. How does his power source replenish? Yet, Borg have to regenerate daily
Duranium isn't a fictional alloy it merely requires star treck levels of smelting and forging to make.... but, duranium is specialized titanium silicate alloy. It's all duranium but different depending on what part of the ship it is
A good example of how Data can get "viruses" was the Contagion episode of TNG, where he was infected by an Iconian code that interfered with his operating system so to speak. Took a hard reboot for him to return to life and to normal, before they realized they needed to do the same with the computer core of the Enterprise D (and the Romulan ship facing them off).
Interesting thing of note, that even I didn't know, one of the writers was Steve Gerber, better known for Howard the Duck. The comic, not the movie.
Best character to come out of the Star Trek universe.
What episode is that red painting from on the thumbnail it looks familiar but I can't put my finger on it
So Data is technically considered a Mutos reploid from Megaman zero?
Data lacks any animistic traits, so no.
@@lukasperuzovic1429 Mutos replies also include the human looking ones. You know the resistance reploids are considered mutos type.
What?
@@richardlahan7068 Megaman lore move along.
Trust Data not Lore. Get this Megaman stuff out of my Trek
I noticed at 9:58 the numbers didn't look right, so I got curious Data's brain is measured in TFLOPS, the IBM summit is measured in PFLOPS.
That isn't 3 times as powerful, that's more like 3,000 times as powerful!
So that got me thinking, how close could we get? Turns out NVIDIA is working something that'll do 30 TeraFLOPS in only one chip (look up NVIDIA XAVIER).
That's not all, it's designed for AI, Looks like we can do this in a form factor the size of only 2 GPU chips! The storage is going to be an issue though.
Dr Soong put an Off Switch upon his androids. I guess that so repairs could be made without causing disruption towards his mental processing.
'Electric sheep'
Data = Android
Me = 😏
Please for all things great please tell me how you got the tng technical manual to work on a modern PC. I have the original disk from way back and it won't install on Windows 10
2:08 Missed opportunity to say, "ugly giant bags of mostly water."
Human heart isn’t offset. It’s central and tilted. The image used in simple diagrams tilts the heart to show the left ventricles larger size. This falsely gives the impression that it’s massively offcenter.