The Amazing Star Trek: Nemesis Theory You've Never Heard Of
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2021
- Why did the Romulans choose to clone Picard? How did they know he'd be such a big political player? Clery's got a... theory.
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This is actually a really good theory, and the dates seem to really check out. I wish they'd gone off that premise, because then it would literally be, as you say in the video, one of the best tie-ins to the series ever! :)
I agree. Shame true fans dont get must respect at CBS/Viacom/Paramount whoever....
"We have no evidence, only a theory which happens to fit the facts." - Mr. Spock
Anyway this is a brilliant idea! Amazing! Brilliant! Perfect!
Perfectly apt quote, only improves a good theory!
Question? How would the Romulans acquire Picards' DNA? - Capt. Kirk
In TNG show, the Romulans was reported absent from contact over 50 years before reappearing. That would negate the theory it would had been impossible to get his DNA from an unknown federation officer, get an agent over the neutral zone close to steal a hair or fluid sample. Theory great but there's an hole that needs to be explained.
@@chessmate6771 Vulcan/ Romulan double agent?
Hair is an issue however..🙄
Realty is stranger than fiction.
@@tgmccoy1556 Picard had likely would have had more hair when he was younger plus that would be plausible to have agent look alike but what would the "logical" way the Vulcan agent would interact with Picard? Only ways sexual intercourse, collect his waste, saliva from a drink/cup or drug him to knock him out to steal their sample with futuristic hypodermic needle quickly.
That theory actually makes complete sense, someone at paramount needs to write that down for maybe Picard season 3.
I agree with you, Matthew. It would've made an interesting movie. Maybe they should turn it into a book. I'd read it.
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking, as this video was ending. Send this to those Picard Producers immediately...
@@tubawritaguy The only problem with books is that they are considered beta canon and can easily be made noncanon. They need to legitimately incorporate it into the show in some way.
@@aaronrobinson5048 The sooner the better.
You see, this is what happens when people WHO DON’T KNOW THE LORE write Star Trek films. They all complain about not being bound by “all that canon” but they are just being lazy and they miss complete gems like this that COULD WELL HAVE WORKED. This is why a comedic cartoon like Lower Decks seems so good compared to something like Discovery and even Picard.
As this vastly - *vastly* - improves Nemesis, the head canon is accepted.
Hear hear!
@@FreihEitner A write for Picard needs to make it legit canon.
This is potential what we would have gotten had Stuart Baird actually WATCHED TNG. It occurs to me that it would also explain why the Romulans tried to brainwash Geordi and turn him into a sleeper agent.
@@terrylong8894 Well remember that they were trying to get Denis Crosby to return as Sela in Nemesis but for some reason she wasn't available so the Leutenant character replaced her.
That's... thats actually really decent. Now if you could time travel back, elevator pitch that story to the producers we'd have a damn good film
Or they could create another time line like they did in 2009.
I like that head canon.
And I’d have called it Adam’s “Cleory”
I LOVE that pun!
Yes!
That's a pretty good theory. I do love how in "Yesterday's Enterprise", Guinan essentially tells Picard he HAS to send Tasha back...Then when Sela is revealed, Guinan essentially tells Picard, "SELA IS YOUR FAULT!!".
Guinan is the double agent.
@@danilko1 She has multiple personalities and cannot tell universes apart at times.
Well. The argument was that they needed a tactical officer.
in the 'real' timeline she's dead anyway.
maybe it was a paradox thaycwas always meant to happen. don't tell temporal investigations
TBH I don't remember Guinan saying Tasha needed to go with the C. She did say the C needed to go back and when pushed revealed that Tasha should be dead.
Adding to this theory, could this also be tied to “Data’s Day”. If I remember right, the Enterprise unwittingly returns a Romulan spy who’s been posing as a Vulcan. Could that have been one of the ways the Romulans kept tabs on Picard? I don’t know how well that lines up chronologically but it seems an interesting idea.
Also could set up commendor oh in picard
@@astron1701 That's a good thought too.
That might be where they got his DNA sample from too?
@@Borgforce *might have made getting access to the information and related dna samples/sequence easier without arising unwanted attention or questions as to the nature or need for such information transfers*
You see, this is what happens when people WHO DON’T KNOW THE LORE write Star Trek films. They all complain about not being bound by “all that canon” but they are just being lazy and they miss complete gems like this that COULD WELL HAVE WORKED. This is why a comedic cartoon like Lower Decks seems so good compared to something like Discovery and even Picard.
Theory? Adam you straight up just fixed Nemesis.
This is an absolutely solid piece of new headcanon for me! Well done Mr. Clery!
That theory actually would make Nemesis make more sense than it actually did.
Not enough to make it a *great* movie perhaps, but it would have been better.
And Nemesis definitely needed all the help it could get.
I smell a Nemesis fan edit coming, with some footage cut in from the TNG Tasha/Sela story arc.... might be pretty cool.
I really liked Nemesis (except for that one scene I have to skip past)
But then again, I like every Star Trek film and series in its own way.
It's refreshing to know I am not alone with finding Nemesis entertaining. I also have trauma issues with one scene late in the 🎬 movie. I'm ready for this theory.
It's entertaining but it doesn't really feel like Star Trek. More like they had the story done then decided to make it a Star Trek movie so they changed a few things
Which scene?
If you're going to try to tell me that you enjoyed Insurrection, I'm going to call shenanigans.
I like Nemesis except for that scene as well. The only Star Trek film I think is properly bad is V.
This makes more sense than what we got in the film. Like this theory.
That makes complete and perfect sense and going back to season 1, it would then make sense that the romulans revealed themselves to picard in the episode the nuteral zone, so they could see what his reactions and therefore actions and would then be able to use them when shaping shinzon psyche.
Makes a lot more sense than the one in one of the novels which basically states that a Romulan waiter at the Crushers wedding was just stealing all the captain’s champagne glasses and then waiting to see who would become important enough to clone.
Also, Guinan in Redemption II says to Picard: “You can’t just dismiss this. If I’m right, then YOU are responsible for this whole situation.”
*thanks a lot Picard*
I never quite got that. Picard didn't create the rift the C arrived through, and it was Tasha that wanted to go onto the C; I suspect that even if Picard hadn't granted her permission, it is likely she might have transported any how with what Guinan told her. In a way Guinan is a lot more responsible as she's the one who told Tasha everything that made her want to transfer.
Great theory! This makes ‘Nemesis’ much better.
This is actually a mind blowing and exceptionally plausible theory. The only way the Romulans could have known that Picard would rise to greatness before he even reached the rank of captain would have been intelligence gathered from a future sauce.
Or perhaps... gravy?
I literally gasped when you mentioned Tasha, like... wow dude... good job
Well I have never read the words "amazing" and "star trek: nemesis" in one sentemce before. So you've certainly piqued my interest.
Not even amazingly bad?
Shinzon could have been Sela's plan to ruin Picard's reputation. She may have stolen a DNA sample that first time she met Picard back on the Enterprise-D.
Shinzon was created before Picard ever took command of the D. It's unlikely she stole the sample after the clone already existed.
Also, Sela would have only been like 12 years old herself, right?
Why it needs to be Sella to somehow obtain sample? If you all remember, Picard has a bionic heart because he was stabbed in the real heart by Nausicaans in a bar brawl when young ensign. How about them being Romulan spies sent to obtain sample? You know Picard must have been bleeding then. There is your blood sample. Could be that brawl was orchastrated by commodore Oh? What we actually know abt her age? We all know the Vulcans and perhaps them related Romulans have a long lifespan. She could be a young Romulan operative then. Just a thought from me.
@@d.t.3263 I like where your head is at, but that bar fight happened about 30 years before the Stargazer incident (2327), so even if T'Pel was operating on Earth, she wouldn't have known to be at that bar to get a DNA sample that far back.
*T'Pel
And since Tasha only came to know Picard when he was already bold the Romulans made sure that would be a feature of Shinzon too!
Wow, this actually makes sense. And good to see you again, Clery!
I think you just found Star Trek’s Darth Jar Jar hypothesis.
“Yesterday’s enterprise” was a great episode but it’s still got nothing on “the best of both worlds”.
Both eclipsed, though, by _The Inner Light._
1:38 I like how when Worf puts his head down on his hands, you can totally see his prosthetic ridges cave in.
I love that scene. Data is singing Blue Skies and Worf lowers his head between his arms and simply says disapprovingly “Irving Berlin” as if he can’t stand his music.
This is BRILLIANT. I'll never look at these story threads the same way again. "Clery's Theories" .... this MUST become a regular segment title. 😁
This theory makes COMPLETE sense. It would probably have been too involved for a movie, but it has entered my head canon.
And that's just a cleary...a FILM CLEARY
Aaaand cut!
I've been looking for this coment. Thank you.
Also remember Romulans have technology for extracting information from people don’t know when that technology was created but likely it’s been around for a while they might’ve been able to use that or some form of it on Tasha to get information about her future
Wow I love the idea and it makes total sense I’ve always thought that they would be able to use Tasha in the past to drum up different storylines this is a very interesting and I LOVE it
Picard might have said "Nicely done!" And if Poirot had been a Star Trek fan, he might have congratulated you on your "little grey cells." Seriously, a brilliant piece of work. I imagine a writer or producer saw this and said "Did we do that? I guess we did. Well, what do you know!?"
Fantastic to have you back Adam!! Please get more brill content for us.
I like "Clery's Theories". I can see that this particular theory has merit. For one, this fills in many blanks in the film. I always wondered why they chose Picard. This idea really pulls the television shows and the film together. Good job.
Good theory, Denise Crosby (as Sela/Tasha) should have been in Nemesis, to make the connection to the series history with the characters.
They should have had Sela commanding the Valdore.
Hey very great Theory, actually had that idea years ago when I first saw Star Trek: Nemesis and it just adds to why it’s my Number One favorite Star Trek movie.
Why don’t you write your theory down and link this video to ViacomCBS and to Alex Kurtzman and to Kirsten Breyer, Akiva Goldman, and Michael Chabon and they can possibly canonize it in Star Trek: Picard by having this all found out.
Kurtzman would be the last person to send a good idea to. It's like washing your new Lamborghini with battery acid.
It may be a theory, but you have tied it together very plausibly. Well done.
NEMESIS would have been more enjoyable if they'd given Shinzon that funny toupee Picard was rocking in 2353.
Or played by the same actor from Tapestry as a young officer.
That's a great theory! Loved the way you weaved several different plot threads into a new story arc! Well done! (Maybe next time though don't drink so much coffee before recording your video! I'm worn out just watching!)
I love this theory. I wouldn't mind more episodes of Clery's Theories.
Huh. I had no expectations for this Star Trek Day that CBS is trying to make a thing, but somehow, you pulled it off and with Nemesis, no less! Bravo!
That's so on track with canon i don't think I even have to call it head canon. Bravo.
Adam you don’t have to do any mental gymnastics at all. Your theory makes perfect sense and I’m saddened the writers didn’t think of it themselves. Now each time I rewatch nemesis I’ll be watching under your lens. Thank you young man and it was a pleasure to see you again.
Sooooo glad to see you back in front of the camera 📷. Thank you for Cleary's Theory on Nemesis🖖🏾 I LOOOOVE your theory, Total AWESOMENESS!!
This is a great theory and I really liked how you went about explaining it. Everything fits, the theory works, and there is no doubt about it. You have done a great job.
Holy crap I'm going to be picking up brain chunks from that mind blown moment for weeks that's amazing
Nice to see you back Adam. That is a bloody good theory and it does fit in with the time lines
Adam needs to do a MatPat impression at the end of his videos. "...But that's just a theory. A CLERY THEORY!"
I felt that having the Romulans featured so prominently, yet without Sela being involved, was a missed opportunity with this film.
Good to see you back, this is impressive!
Well...this is pretty nicely thought out! If only they'd canonize this, it'd make Nemesis a lot more interesting.
OMG, Adam, THANK YOU! WHY Picard of all people to clone at the time? This is a great theory that answers the one question that always bothered me about Nemesis!
Reasonable argument. My take on Nemesis I realized a few years ago: Picard is Shinzon's nemesis. You're right, it's not a "good" film, but after I realized that Picard is stronger and the nemesis, I liked it a little better. I LIKED insurrection tho. But I suppose you might have to value slowing down in life. Wrath of Kahn was a great film because Recardo Montalban chewed, swallowed and exploded the whole universe on screen. Christopher Plummer did a pretty good job in Undiscovered Country, but dang hard to top " from hells heart I stab at thee!"
We must petition for this to be canon. But it will be in my heart from now on, cause it's too good to be false.
Can you do a video showing the top 10 “Breaking into song” moments. There are so many moments where the characters sing and it would be interesting to see if Picard singing Heart of Oak aka…. “Cheer up my lads” makes the cut….lol
This is pretty darn brilliant! Thanks. Subscribed.
A pretty excellent Clery Theory 👏👏👏
It really would have made for a beautiful & tragic bookend for these characters since the loss of Tasha was the 1st real blow to this crew. I mean her inclusion in All Good Things was doing exactly that so it just makes to much sense to tie her lasting impact into the final film outing for these characters too.
Aaah well. Thanks for a great video xx
So wonderful to see you again!!! Great theory!
If someone just implied Sela in Nemesis, will being be, an awesome movie, just because everything you just told to us...
Funny thing is, everything in this theory, fit perfectly with the existing Canon, you don't have to force anything
Sadly took 20 yrs to someone figure out
This theory does fit with more or less what I assumed had happened, but it is cool that Adam did the research and connected the dots so coherently and made it a full fledged fan theory. It doesn't fix Nemesis, but it does fill some plot holes and give us something fun to think about. Good Job
This was a fun video, keep em coming!
Best theory for Trek in a LONG TIME! Wish the Nemesis writers had been true fans like you to put this obvious jewel of a backstory together.
Took me until 6 mins to see where you were going with this.
I would have never put those two things together, that's actually pure genius.
A truly excellent Theory now it's time to go back and watch yesterday's mission and nemesis well done I truly look forward to watching your videos please keep them coming
*picks jaw back up from floor* Genius. Pure genius. I love this theory!
Ok, this is an amazing theory well done
I always enjoyed Nemesis, had it on DVD, watched many times 😊
A dazzling display of logic Mr. Cleary. Well done.
As fan theories go, this is a good one. Thanks for sharing it on Star Trek Day.
I never comment on videos but I had to comment on this-- Right on Adam, right on. This works. This checks out. I love it!
Great fan theory! This is how I am going to think of this plot from now on - well done sir!
Dude... I am legitimately impressed with the critical think and deductive reasoning on display here. Also, the impeccable attention to detail is commendable as well.
We need more Adam Clery videos, as they're always awesome!
I had never thought about the timeline, but once you said when Shinzon would have been created, my mind went straight for Tasha...
Mind blown! Great theory! I need more Clery Theories like I need more Cow Bell!
Dude this is an excellent theory. I never even thought twice about it but you my friend nailed it.
Great theory Adam! Entertaining. Thanks 👍
I had this exact same theory over ten years ago, except for one major change. Sela is his mother! They needed someone to give birth to the clone with human characteristics and what better way to prove her loyalty to the Empire then to participate in this operation.
Insurrection is actually really good. It's basically a 2 part episode. Nemesis was only different writers, a completely different director, and production away from being pretty good too.
This is an excellent theory! Bravo Adam! 👏🏾😁
Let’s not forget that Yar was wearing her “future” uniform with future tech. Those probably would have highlighted her as special.
I would love to see more Clery's Theories videos. Please.
Good or bad, the ship battle at the end was awesome.
This is a good theory. It takes a few leaps of logic to get there. Nice job!
Great theory! If Sela was in the movie it would have been amazing, shoot some Romulans would have been nice too. Maybe Picard will feature Tasha Yar's daughter, it has always done what no Star Trek to do and explore Romulan culture 😉
This is now in my head canon. This totally makes sense and fits together. Cheers Adam!
We love you, Adam, and hope you get through the things you're going through.
It totally makes perfect sense. Tasha was always proud to have served under Picard's command and would've shared her experiences and stories with her daughter, Sela. And might've let it slip what Ghanan (sp) had told her about the "alternate timeline" and the Romulans would've done their own research into the time shift anomaly that had occurred in "Yesterday's Enterprise".
Now that, my friends is a fantastic fan theory!!! Well done man, well done!!!
This was well thought out. I cannot believe that it may not have one of the original premises for the movie since lost to time and or studio interference. Good work in presenting this premise/theory it does work.
Happy Star Trek day!!
Happy Star Trek Day
@gecko boy yes, it's 55 years since Trek premiere. Big live panel on Paramount+ at 830 ET tonight.
Of all the fan theories I have ever heard for any franchise, that one actually makes the most sense.
Adam, your logic is impeccable.
Fantastic theory fits so well
Loved it
It always felt like Sela was missing from Nemesis. She’d have been easy to insert as Commander Donatra, closing out her otherwise incomplete story. Would have given some weight to a Romulan also with human heritage choosing to aid Earth rather than destroy it.
This is actually a fantastic theory. I'm gonna choose to believe this is cannon from now on. Thanks for the new take on Shinzon.
I love the theory. Well done sir.
Fascinating… That actually does make sense without much stretching or twisting
Well done!
It all sounds great!