@@ja_9568 , I agree! Tim had the much better voice. And he was also great song writer. It's absoluttely amazing how much he recorded in his short life. Jeff wasn't so creative IMO. I think he did his best stuff when he covered great songs. But I cannot really get too enthusiastic about his original stuff.
Errr.... we can compare their 'age', no ? Tim died two years younger than Jeff and still released that many albums. I don't know, but Tim was considerably and consistently more productive than (most of) his peers .....
This was Jeff’s biggest fear, wrapped up in one video and a bunch of comments below. It’s no wonder he struggled to write that second lp with the critics waiting for him to top Grace and the constant comparisons to Tim.
@@adonaiahobikwu Grating to fans of who, Tim? Of course Jeff was touchy about Tim. Jeff always said, he didn’t know Tim. That Tim wasn’t his father Ron was.
Tim would have been very proud of Jeff . Comparisons may be odious , and while ' Grace ' is a good album , there is much more depth and soul to Tim's music .
Jeff said he admired his father work just from a simple artist to artist level, Jeff had a shadow to overcome and was absolutely on his way to doing so
Is there any evidence to support what they’re saying… Jeff was respectful to his dad because he had to… seems like he didn’t want to talk negatively about his fathers Legacy And the comparisons arent even close… I’ll be rolling in my grave if somebody was comparing me to my dad that wasn’t there .. it just sucks that Jeff can’t have his own legacy without his dad being attached to it.. Tim does sound like he had the heavy jazz influence that Jeff had..Jeff is amazing artist and made amazing music period.
I loathe vs. Scenarios and reaction videos. Like I give a rats vag what some vocal instructor thinks of jeffs hallelujah. Ya know ? Jeff and Tim both. Individually ... moved me. I can't ever thank them enough and I couldn't dream of comparing
Love both of them, incredible artists. Very different sensibilities. Don’t agree with some of the opinions of Treble Clef, regarding the quality of Tim’s later music.
It is very difficult if not impossible to compare the two artists, By the time of his death at age 28, Tim was an accomplished and mature artist, and the sky was the limit for his future musical creations. At the time of Jeff’s death at age 30 he had one album under his belt, and his career was just taking off. It is difficult to surmise what he might have accomplished. He had tremendous potential, but was the victim of a rush to idolize on the part of his fans. This condition was an unfortunate and unintended legacy from his father, which resulted in Jeff’s instant passage into myth after death. And who can analyze a myth without prejudice? A large part of the problem is that most Jeff Buckley fans simply do not grasp the length, depth, subtlety and extensive nature of Tim’s ever changing musical career. Most of his work is obscure today, but without a doubt the man was a genius who was far ahead of his time, then and now. Jeff, like his father, has a remarkable voice and uses it well, but he was not exactly a trail blazer in terms of his sound. That may well have changed, it would be foolish to underestimate his abilities, but we will never know the truth of what might have been.
"A large part of the problem is that most Jeff Buckley fans simply do not grasp the length, depth, subtlety and extensive nature of Tim’s ever changing musical career." THIS !! I myself was a complete JB elitist 16 years ago. I did not care about Tim's music until after 2, 3 years of absorbing nothing, but Jeff's music. (Luckily) Jeff only had one album, so it's relatively easier for me to move on.... to other brilliant artists. I still love Jeff, but Tim IS really completely on another level ! I still weep, listening to Chase the Blues Away, Once I was and even Buzzin Fly.
Father and son were biologically linked and even in more so in their delivery...there is no denying it. Jeff was able to improve on that style. Such a basic no brainer post by me but it's all I got lol
1st is David Brown the Buckleys biographer, 2nd Jerry Yester, producer of 2 of Tim's albums, 3rd= Lee Underwood Tim's guitarist, 4th = Buddy Helm Tim's drummer during the 70's.
Jeff Buckley had a much better band than Tim ever had. I think that's part of the reason Grace was so much more accessible than Tim's albums. The musicians on Grace absolutely commanded every note of that material. Starsailor and Lorca certainly had some incredible moments, but Tim's backing musicians were mediocre and in way over their heads. Nothing on those records ever approached a groove - and at times(Jungle Fire as an example) it seemed like they were chasing Tim and struggling to keep up.
2:45 tim was unfocused? what the crap are he saying? Tim has left three masterpiece of entire music, his vocal range and his musical genius were uncomparable. although Jeff has left only one album, then they're not comparable
@@randalclarke5487 I've read biographies of both men and that was the main thing Jeff took from his estranged father's story - he said this multiple times. So you go absolutely fuck your own face instead.
@@deesee6009 doesnt give you any right to be as horrible as you were in your comment mate, cause you came to your own conclusion despite having met neither.
How's this even a question? Who cares that Tim made more records? Jeff didn't need to. He had the magic, in every second of every song. ANYthing sung by Jeff is so deeply moving. Tim bores the hell outta me. Jeff for always and forever!
show some respect to a legend will ya? i bet that you are like 15 years old that's why you like jeff's commercial music (i also like it, but meh, commercial)
@@lucila5466 oh yea, what about hallelujah? that shit has like 100 millions of views or something, im not saying that his music is bad, im saying that tim's music is complex to your mind and that's why bores you, while jeff's music is commercial and easier to listen, but anyway, you should listen to sweet surrender, stone in love, quicksand, pleasent street
@@lucila5466 lmao if you are interested only at the instrumental go listen to fuckin house music dumbass hahahaha even jeff would laugh at your face now
ill bet if tim never left jeff , jeff wouldnt have been so annoyingly self indulgent with his voice. just sounds like hes milkin his range for approval
I have to agree. Tim wasn't only a great singer but also a poet and wonderful songwriter. Jeff - not so much. He was at his best when he covered great songs like Lilac Wine.
@@sabineb.5616 if you listen to songs like Grace, and lover you should've come over and don't think that they're in any way poetic I seriously question your ear. I thoroughly enjoy all of Jeff's original work, you don't have to but to insinuate it lacks artistic substance just seems disingenuous. Plus Jeff literally only had one released album before he died, it really doesn't seem like a fair comparison seeing as he was in the infancy of his career.
Both are great! Yes Tim was a great poet and song writer - more than 5 albums by 27 yo. Jeff had only one..i dont count the one that was released after his death and in my opinion wss not suscessful. BUT Jeff had smth that his father had not - the absolutely magic power of voice. He was "kissed by God". Sometimes i think that while singing he transferrs much more than he put in ...as if he was the instrument in God,s hands. So, i would so both are genious.
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The two Buckleys were amazing in vocal habilities but Jeff was much better guitar player
tim much better voice....
Tim way better
oh really
yeah Jeff could play anything. I've seen him cover Bad Brains "i against I" than go to Van Morrison " the way lovers do"
@@ja_9568 , I agree! Tim had the much better voice. And he was also great song writer. It's absoluttely amazing how much he recorded in his short life. Jeff wasn't so creative IMO. I think he did his best stuff when he covered great songs. But I cannot really get too enthusiastic about his original stuff.
We can't really have grounds to compare them... Tim released nine albums and Jeff only one.
Errr.... we can compare their 'age', no ? Tim died two years younger than Jeff and still released that many albums. I don't know, but Tim was considerably and consistently more productive than (most of) his peers .....
This was Jeff’s biggest fear, wrapped up in one video and a bunch of comments below. It’s no wonder he struggled to write that second lp with the critics waiting for him to top Grace and the constant comparisons to Tim.
He needed to come to terms with how much he looked like Tim
Thats too bad. Jeff's touchiness with his dad is somewhat grating to fans considering theyre vocal and physically IDENTICAL
@@adonaiahobikwu Grating to fans of who, Tim? Of course Jeff was touchy about Tim. Jeff always said, he didn’t know Tim. That Tim wasn’t his father Ron was.
They're not vocally identical AT ALl.
Probably the only real father and son that were really talented on the music business
Finally some truth in this whole Buckley gothic fairytale.
Its so true
I think Jeff was more talented, but we'll never know how far his creativity would've went. We're lucky to have Grace.
Tim had a more mature voice that Jeff could only dream of!
Waycnf, don't be so naive, tch🙄
You have to be kidding.
Tim made at least 5 albums better than Grace
jeff made pretty conventional blues-inspired music. tim was an innovator with a better voice
Tim would have been very proud of Jeff . Comparisons may be odious , and while ' Grace ' is a good album , there is much more depth and soul to Tim's music .
I love Grace, I Love Jeff, I Stopped searching for music after I found his work, But I must admit Tim was a completed songwriter and singer.
Jeff said he admired his father work just from a simple artist to artist level, Jeff had a shadow to overcome and was absolutely on his way to doing so
Is there any evidence to support what they’re saying… Jeff was respectful to his dad because he had to… seems like he didn’t want to talk negatively about his fathers Legacy And the comparisons arent even close… I’ll be rolling in my grave if somebody was comparing me to my dad that wasn’t there .. it just sucks that Jeff can’t have his own legacy without his dad being attached to it.. Tim does sound like he had the heavy jazz influence that Jeff had..Jeff is amazing artist and made amazing music period.
I loathe vs. Scenarios and reaction videos. Like I give a rats vag what some vocal instructor thinks of jeffs hallelujah. Ya know ? Jeff and Tim both. Individually ... moved me. I can't ever thank them enough and I couldn't dream of comparing
Nobody's ever had a voice like Tim's.
Jeff's voice surpassed Tim's
both were awesome.dad tim and son jeff in their own right.🙂😢👍❤ .
Love both of them, incredible artists. Very different sensibilities. Don’t agree with some of the opinions of Treble Clef, regarding the quality of Tim’s later music.
It is very difficult if not impossible to compare the two artists, By the time of his death at age 28, Tim was an accomplished and mature artist, and the sky was the limit for his future musical creations. At the time of Jeff’s death at age 30 he had one album under his belt, and his career was just taking off. It is difficult to surmise what he might have accomplished. He had tremendous potential, but was the victim of a rush to idolize on the part of his fans. This condition was an unfortunate and unintended legacy from his father, which resulted in Jeff’s instant passage into myth after death. And who can analyze a myth without prejudice? A large part of the problem is that most Jeff Buckley fans simply do not grasp the length, depth, subtlety and extensive nature of Tim’s ever changing musical career. Most of his work is obscure today, but without a doubt the man was a genius who was far ahead of his time, then and now. Jeff, like his father, has a remarkable voice and uses it well, but he was not exactly a trail blazer in terms of his sound. That may well have changed, it would be foolish to underestimate his abilities, but we will never know the truth of what might have been.
"A large part of the problem is that most Jeff Buckley fans simply do not grasp the length, depth, subtlety and extensive nature of Tim’s ever changing musical career."
THIS !! I myself was a complete JB elitist 16 years ago. I did not care about Tim's music until after 2, 3 years of absorbing nothing, but Jeff's music. (Luckily) Jeff only had one album, so it's relatively easier for me to move on.... to other brilliant artists. I still love Jeff, but Tim IS really completely on another level ! I still weep, listening to Chase the Blues Away, Once I was and even Buzzin Fly.
He wasn't "asked" to participate in the tribute concert for Tim, he approached the organizers.
Not what Jeff said.
There are different versions of this tale.
he was asked and refused at first
That's incorrect.
Jeff was a great artist.....Tim was a genius
My thoughts exactly!
Also a bad father
Perfect. Thank you.
Tim was in a different league
Father and son were biologically linked and even in more so in their delivery...there is no denying it. Jeff was able to improve on that style. Such a basic no brainer post by me but it's all I got lol
Okay, who are these people? I recognize (I think) Lee Underwood @ 1:48, blue shirt.
1st is David Brown the Buckleys biographer, 2nd Jerry Yester, producer of 2 of Tim's albums, 3rd= Lee Underwood Tim's guitarist, 4th = Buddy Helm Tim's drummer during the 70's.
This is sad . Leave it alone .
Jeff Buckley had a much better band than Tim ever had. I think that's part of the reason Grace was so much more accessible than Tim's albums. The musicians on Grace absolutely commanded every note of that material. Starsailor and Lorca certainly had some incredible moments, but Tim's backing musicians were mediocre and in way over their heads. Nothing on those records ever approached a groove - and at times(Jungle Fire as an example) it seemed like they were chasing Tim and struggling to keep up.
Didn't wanna be associated with him .... so he took his name?! Both had a rare gift!
2:45 tim was unfocused? what the crap are he saying? Tim has left three masterpiece of entire music, his vocal range and his musical genius were uncomparable. although Jeff has left only one album, then they're not comparable
Yep, its a pretty stupid comment.
I guess he means how Tim changed his style every few years
The biggest influence Tim had on Jeff was to make sure he didn't become a deadbeat dad junkie burnout.
Go absolutely fuck your own face- you didn't know the man. How judgmental can you get?
@@randalclarke5487 I've read biographies of both men and that was the main thing Jeff took from his estranged father's story - he said this multiple times. So you go absolutely fuck your own face instead.
@@deesee6009 you still never met the bloke how could you possibly be so pessimistic
@@gungachingaunga i read Jeffs thoughts on his own father, i don’t have to meet him
@@deesee6009 doesnt give you any right to be as horrible as you were in your comment mate, cause you came to your own conclusion despite having met neither.
LOLOLOL THESE FANBOYS ARE INSUFFERABLE
It's havin'an opinion and being passionate about the music you love, I wonder who or what you get excited about?? 🙄
Tim was more talented in my opinion. He was an innovator in music. And his voice is more powerful and beautiful to my ears.
Who is this guy? I think Tim had a better voice.
Lol if you have to ask who one of them is then I don't think you can say anything about who has better vocals
Hell no
As pure singing hability goes, Buckley father was better, more skilled; also he was more talented in terms of songwriting... Both amazing, anyway.
Jeff was way better
Anyway, Tim was a better singer and composer. Jeff was a better guitar player. Both were talented in their own ways.
I think tim was a better singer
How's this even a question? Who cares that Tim made more records? Jeff didn't need to. He had the magic, in every second of every song. ANYthing sung by Jeff is so deeply moving. Tim bores the hell outta me. Jeff for always and forever!
show some respect to a legend will ya? i bet that you are like 15 years old that's why you like jeff's commercial music (i also like it, but meh, commercial)
@@playthatsoloboi3705 your ass is commercial! How dare you
@@lucila5466 oh yea, what about hallelujah? that shit has like 100 millions of views or something, im not saying that his music is bad, im saying that tim's music is complex to your mind and that's why bores you, while jeff's music is commercial and easier to listen, but anyway, you should listen to sweet surrender, stone in love, quicksand, pleasent street
@@playthatsoloboi3705 if you like interesting lyrics go read a poem. Music is about sounds.
@@lucila5466 lmao if you are interested only at the instrumental go listen to fuckin house music dumbass hahahaha even jeff would laugh at your face now
Tim was the superior songwriter. Listen to "Pleasant street".
Jeff wins.
Jimi Jackson, sure mate🤔🙄😏
ill bet if tim never left jeff , jeff wouldnt have been so annoyingly self indulgent with his voice. just sounds like hes milkin his range for approval
What a stupid comment.
Jeff Buckley Vs. Tim Buckley...one was Jeff, the other was a genius.
I have to agree. Tim wasn't only a great singer but also a poet and wonderful songwriter. Jeff - not so much. He was at his best when he covered great songs like Lilac Wine.
@@sabineb.5616 why do you think so? I honestly feel Lilac Wine us one of the weakest of his covers.
@@sabineb.5616 if you listen to songs like Grace, and lover you should've come over and don't think that they're in any way poetic I seriously question your ear. I thoroughly enjoy all of Jeff's original work, you don't have to but to insinuate it lacks artistic substance just seems disingenuous. Plus Jeff literally only had one released album before he died, it really doesn't seem like a fair comparison seeing as he was in the infancy of his career.
Tim was great, Jeff was once in a billion
Both are great! Yes Tim was a great poet and song writer - more than 5 albums by 27 yo. Jeff had only one..i dont count the one that was released after his death and in my opinion wss not suscessful. BUT Jeff had smth that his father had not - the absolutely magic power of voice. He was "kissed by God". Sometimes i think that while singing he transferrs much more than he put in ...as if he was the instrument in God,s hands. So, i would so both are genious.