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- After Life: Buffy The Vampire Slayer 6X03 Reaction
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Her telling him she was in heaven is probably the most heartbreaking thing I’ve ever seen in any series
Even above Joyce's death. Death is a natural part of life and is something that everyone on Earth will experience (whether you or someone you love dies), but what happened to Buffy was not natural.
Her description of earth and how this is hell matches what Angel was told by Wolfram and heart in the elevator when the Elevator brought him just back to street level or the "Home office" Hell .
Willow wanting a thank you bugged me on my first viewing even before Buffy told Spike they pulled her out of heaven. I get her not knowing what Buffy went through, but wanting a thank you after knowing the danger of that spell. Buffy will say it if she wants to and as an audience we know it was about not wanting to hurt the group, which is showing her as a better person in depression than Willow not depressed.
I love that Buffy doesn't steer the show into stating how any specific after-life of the show works within the narrative of The Buffyverse and how by the time she's done explaining things to Spike, we still don't have a real/specific religeon to use on the show as it always steers away from that and manages to still work in-universe and in the writers room.
I think it was selfish too. To me, it was selfish to expect her friend whom she believes went through unimaginable torments to be able to be well enough to say "thanks" right away.
@@babadoudidadoudait was selfish in the exact same way it was selfish when dawn tried to being Joyce back. It's understandable. The difference is Dawn realized it was wrong. The excuse of 'Buffy was in hell so I/we rescued her' is cope. Killing the deer - an innocent animal to help power a dark spell is proof of this. Just another example of Willow being power mad.
The overbright lighting and loud background noise in the last scene is so on point. After I spent a month in hospital where it was touch and go for a while that's exactly how the world felt wh3n I got out
Masters just delivers such a great performance
Spike was counting every day Buffy was away (dead).
Remember: "death is your gift"
The Scooby gang was purely selfish in bringing Buffy back. They convinced themselves that Buffy needed saving because they couldn't handle not having her around to make things better. They denied that Buffy could be in Heaven because the wanted her more than just being happy that she was in heaven. Willow kept the process of sacrificing the innocent a secret from Tara and kept Spike in the dark because she knew he knew the risks. They needed to believe Buffy was in hell because that would deflect from the truth and their own guilt. They are kind of bad friends in that they take Buffy for granted without really thinking about her needs. Even when they found her at her house, they were selfishly intrusive. Unlike Spike and Dawn who did the right thing, where one is soulless and the other is a minor. It's sort of mirrors Season 3 Episode 2 where the Scoobies badly confronted Buffy for running away.
i think they're more than "kind of" bad friends, but otherwise cosign all this.
Did they not even think about trying some soul locator spell first? I'd assume that if a spell could bring Buffy back to life from whatever Heaven dimension she was in, there would exist some sort of spell that could communicate with a soul.
Thats bs , They truly beleived she was in a hell dimension. They werent selfish, they thoughr they were saving there friend who died too young.
@@wisewillowgamesThey were selfish. They had zero evidence Buffy was in hell. That was cope. The killing of a deer to power a dark spell is further evidence. Did nobody learn from Dawn's experience,?
I consider the first three episodes of this season as a three part episode rather than a two-parter and a stand alone.
And note that Buffy is lying to her friends to save them pain. Even here, she's a hero through and through.
I never for one minute thought Buffy was in a hell dimension. She died a heroes death. Her body was not sucked away. She closed a portal, she did not open one. And she did not deserve it. Willow wanting Buffy to thank her still bugs me to this day. It's like it is all about the credit. I do love the stuff with Spike and with Dawn, though. Those moments were so tender and are as potent now as when they first aired. I enjoyed your reaction and the accuracy of your prediction.
Willow is about power and her own superiority. She wants to be better than others abd wants them to acknowkedge that superiority. It's what makes her evil.
this episode's final revelation really suggests a lighthearted season to come, doesn't it?
They thought she was in hell because she was killed in between several vicious hell dimensions. One of them could have claimed her because she was already there and was killed by the mystical forces emanating from those demon dimensions. Also, the summer has passed. Every season starts in September and ends in June.
Yeah, nailed it I think - 1) Spike probably won't judge her and 2) IF he does, it doesn't really matter.
And of course, Spike has died. He's the only person around Buffy that can genuinely understand _some_ of what she's going through (they underscore this with the coffin thing - he knows how she hurt her hands because he's been there himself).
a whisper in a dead man's ear desn't make it real.
Death was her gift, and they took it back.
The scene where a possessed Anya cuts up her face will never get old!
I still avert my eyes during that scene. Nightmares!
The first time I saw that one, I legitimately jumped.
Like, bucket of cold water, chill down the spine, rush to the head, scare.
I’ll never forget it.
Knowing you've watched this season - another scary thought is that Willow didn't want to even consider the alternative possibilities (she kind of says as mich in "Gone"). She may have wanted an excuse to outdo herself magically. Willow keeps comparing Buffy's death to when Angel got sucked into Acathla. Which was Willow's first spell the one that Giles warned her about - unlocking something she couldnt control.
What a beautiful shot you used for your thumbnail, Dak. Speaks volumes!
I know it's been to long since this video was posted and you probably won't see this comment, but Spike is the only person who could actually comprehend this. He's been a vampire for a long time and has had to accept the fact that he can never go to heaven. He's suffered at least a fraction of what Buffy is experiencing. While Spike would never fully understand, the others would never be able to even fathom what she is actually suffering.
That ending gives me chills! Great reaction as always!
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If my friends pulled me out of Heaven where I was finally with my Mom, Dad, and little brother again I wouldn't be as forgiving as Buffy (not a spoiler, I'm talking about this episode, where she told Spike to never tell them because she's protecting them).
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After Life was a great episode where Buffy reveals to Spike that was pulled out of Heaven, (foreshadowing here when Buffy said before 'is this hell) We see Buffy again experiencing her depression, which from the death of Joyce onwards is always there. She says to Giles in S5 Finale The Gift, ' I don't want to live in a world like this if these are the choices, if everything keeps getting stripped away'. Spike also reveals in S5 episode Fool For Love 'every slayer has a death wish, even you'. Buffy is obviously not the same since coming back, she has been torn out of heaven, and does not know how to deal with life now. Of course she was right when she said to Dawn at end of The Gift ' the hardest thing in this world is to live in it' and she was right. Great acting from both SMG and James Marsters in this episode, we can see the Spuffy relationship growing. This episode sets up a great Season arc. I can understand why some fans dislike S6, but I thought it was a great Season, much more adult due to network change from WB to UPN.
I dont think Willow was thinking Buffy was in hell. Willow wanted Buffy to be back and constructed a narrative that she was in hell to gaslight the scoobies into helping her.
I think so too. I wonder if she tried different narratives and erased their minds until she found one that worked with them.
Another reason Buffy might feel like she can talk to Spike is that he isn't responsible for bringing her back. It was the other four who did it, who would have to feel bad if they knew that they ripped her out of heaven. She can't talk to the four of them, and she can't talk to Dawn because she's still really young and this would be really heavy to lay on her. And she can't talk to Giles because he isn't there. So she talks to Spike.
Imo season 6 has a three-part premiere, not two-part. Buffy having been ripped out of heaven is so important to the season and is not clear after just 6x01 and 6x02.
This is a major plot point not yet revealed. I don't think she is aware of them either, so best if you delete it.
@@michaelsmith1262 What do you mean? She's obviously watched all three parts already since this is 6x03 (I didn't post this on the 6x01 or 6x02 videos, although in fact I've could have because she's a bit ahead on Patreon).
@@michaelsmith1262 What do you mean? Buffy reveals this at 13:37. And Dakara is obviously aware of all three parts of the premiere because this _is_ 6x03.
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I love the parallels between "Buffy" the character being resurrected by her friends when she was at peace, and "Buffy" the TV show being brought back by another network when The WB decided not to renew it.
The showrunners knew S5 would be the last on The WB, and didn't know for certain if another network would pick it up, so they wrote Buffy's death as a potentially "complete" ending for the show in case it really was over.
S6 was commissioned by a less conservative network (UPN) but Joss Whedon was working on Firefly and Angel at that time, so he stepped down as the main showrunner for Buffy. With these changes, they decided to try a darker direction for the show.
I think the warnings about Buffy potentially "coming back wrong" were intentionally meta and tongue in cheek - it's like they were saying Buffy could have died a beloved hero with a satisfying ending in S5 (which is a lot of peoples' favourite season) but of course everyone wanted to bring the poor lass back from the grave! Well, be careful what you wish for because it may not be the same old happy-go-lucky comfort show you expected...
Buffy doesn’t just confide in Spike. She also turns to Giles. For both Spike & Giles, Buffy is their number one. Willow has Tara, Xander has Anya. You confide in your number one(s).
The Slayer power comes from the Power of the Shadow Demon. Her dark power in her comes from the same Demon as vampires. She's not and never been a normal girl. It's possible because of how buffy was born. Her friends assumed the Supernatural system by default would think buffy w as s placed in a type of hell portal. Especially since buffy died when a hell portal was open on earth because of Glory.
It makes sense for the Scoobies to picture Buffy in some hell dimension since she jumped from the scaffolding in The Gift to close the portal Glory had opened to her own hell dimension. All the stuff that was coming out of the rift was pretty nasty looking - not even any fluffy evil bunnies.
Right. The assumption was that Buffy was sent to the Hell dimension that Glory was from.
In terms of the gang thinking Buffy was in Hell, I don't think they meant it in a "she was judged and got sent to Hell" kind of way (although, at least in some religions, suicide does make that automatic). Rather, I think it was because she literally died by diving into a Hell portal. Her body didn't go through, but as they said at the time, they had no idea what happened to her soul, and "went through the portal" would be a pretty good guess.
My impression is that it started off as just a scary possibility, but it horrified them so much that they kept focusing on it until it was the only one they considered anymore. Also, it may have partially been to psych themselves up for the rather intimidating project of trying to bring her back.
Basically, I think it was lots of different things. Hope this mish-mash of thoughts made sense.
small nitpick but it was a sacrifice, not a suicide.
@@Henrik_Holst I think opinions may differ on the semantics, there. It certainly didn't involve the same mental state normally associated with suicide, but the lady jumped off a tower to her death. And her death was the point, not just a possible side-effect of the thing she was trying to do (like for a hugely dangerous mission).
One would hope that Saint Peter would take the context into consideration, but by the letter of the law, she might be in some trouble, there.
@@tehcoolemu well to be honest I would have no idea what shenanigans religion would take on it, but it would be the same as say throwing yourself on a grenade to save your fellow soldiers. Suicide is IMHO completely different where the intent is to die because you want to die, not to die for some one else.
@@Henrik_Holst I think this is different from jumping on a grenade. When you jump on the grenade, the goal is to block the shrapnel. Your death may be all but guaranteed, but if you somehow don't die, it's not like it would ruin anything. This is what I was getting at with my whole "her death was the point" thing above... in fact, I very nearly brought up the jumping on a grenade comparison myself, but then decided I was writing too much, heh.
Buffy explicitly needed to die. Her death was the desired outcome for her. Her *reason* for that wasn't that she hated her life or anything, but that is still the thing she was trying to do. If a desperate parent stages a fatal car accident so that their family can collect the life insurance that they need to survive, that's still suicide.
@@tehcoolemu I'm quite sure that there are devote Catholics (AFAIK they are the ones that are most adamant about the whole suicide thing) who would gladly step infront of a shooting squad in order to save say the life of a small child (say like throwing yourself off a high building to save Dawn).
The only case I could find on Wikipedia that where even remotely comparable was: "The act of taking one's life for the benefit of others is known as altruistic suicide. An example of this is an elder ending his or her life to leave greater amounts of food for the younger people in the community. Suicide in some Inuit cultures has been seen as an act of respect, courage, or wisdom."
But that too me does still not really resemble what Buffy did when jumping, her action was more like the one I described earlier or when a murderer asks which one of two people they should kill and one of them steps forward in order to save the other.
I think we need input from some one with deeper knowledge in philosophy, especially religious philosophy to get some real answers here :)
This is a season full of crazy ups and downs. As with all the buffy seasons lately, have the tissues ready, get ready for some fun, and above all, buckle up.
I have seen this episode and this season a few times already and I love it. In all this time, it never occurred to me that Willows only frame of reference for where Buffy might be was Angel. He died and ended up in a held dimension, so it was natural for Willow to assume Buffy went through the same thing. I agree this episode as usual, it’s brilliantly, written, and brilliantly acted by all involved
Remember Angel was also told that Earth is hell as well By Wolfram & Heart in the Elevator😮😮😮😮
He wasn't told that earth was hell, he was told that Earth was the Home Office of the senior partners.
@Henrik_Holst There's many hells and he was told Basically earth is one of them.
@@WillsonT011 IMHO not, Angel choose to see it as hell being on earth but the only thing they showed was that earth was their home office. Notice that time always works different in the hell dimensions vs earth and why would that be of earth was a hell dimension.
With friends like that who needs mortal enemies
I just had a macabre thought. 147 days is a pretty long time, nearly 5 months. And they were faking Buffy’s non-death. That means her burial would have been unofficial. No death certificate, autopsy, etc. That means no embalming either. So the state of decay of Buffy’s body was probably closer to the mark in that case.
Now I’m thinking what if she returned to her body embalmed and all her internal organs removed and put into a bag sewn into her abdomen. I’d definitely hate to be resurrected that way.
If a vampire wakes up with his brain in his abdomen would that count as a beheading? Would he instantly dust or just not wake up at all? Or would he live with his brain disconnected from his senses and muscles unable to see or move and slowly decay in his coffin conscious and unaware of what’s happened?
Only this show to make you sad that one of your favourite characters got ressurected. I love that death in not taken lightly in Buffy even when the character comes back
Buffy had to confide in someone. She may or may not care what Spike feels, but he's shown that despite being a vampire he'll take care of the Summers women, and won't betray her secret.
My question is why didn't they dig up her grave before doing the spell? But I guess probably the spell was supposed to not only bring her back but also free her from her coffin and the grave - and that was the part of the spell that got ruined by the demon bikers.
This is like Super-Jonathan (still one of my favorite epsiodes). You create a Paragon with magic, it will also create the opposite to balance the scales..._ Spike is a Frenemy. It's not her job to save him, so he's easier to open up to, plus he has more experience than everyone put together in her circle.
Why does she tell Spike? A whisper in a dead man's ear doesn't make it real.
I think the reason Buffy confides in Spike is because she knows he is not close enough to the other Scoobies to go and blab to them.
With the ability to bring her back I'd think they would also be able to first find her soul and where it is before bringing her back.
Hell of a thing right Buffy was in Heaven! Gowd James Marsters I remember him talking about bringing he's A game for this one on showing his actions and That Ending right🤘😂 Dakara I mean I know your ahead on Patreon...Wonder why Buffy talk's to Spike..lol Stay awesome my Friend
147 days are almost five months.
Pretty sure this was based on the gap between air dates for The Gift and Bargaining.
4.8 is safe to roll over to 5 months exactly. Especially since it was 148 days and Spike just isn’t counting the night she got revived.
Not saying that they're decision wasn't selfish, but one defensive in the Scooby gangs case is their limited understanding of Death.
To them death (usually at the hands of a vampire or demon) has always been evil, cruel and violent. There only way to cope is to go after the monster that caused it, its all they knew.
When Joyce died in Season 5 it was clear they were in unfamiliar territory and didn't know how to handle a nonviolent supernatural death.
They're haven't been any good deities or heavenly angels to show them that death isn't all bad.
Its like in the show Supernatural, Dean Winchester knew that Demons and Hell were real but never believed in Angels or Heaven or the same reasons.
there`s one theory that willow convinced herself that buffy sacrificing herself so that dawn wouldnt have to sacrifice herself, was classified as suicide, and some people have the theory that suicide is the one sin that can never be forgiven under judeo christian beliefs. and thats why they assumed the only destination was hell.
Buffy died by falling into a portal to a hell dimension, so the gang made assumptions. They were also blinded to any other possibilities because of their grief and need to have her back. Grief makes you selfish.
A terrible revelation.
Willow miscalculated horribly in her grief-and arrogance(and WTF, Tara? You KNEW better). It was a complete misread of the circumstances of Buffy's death, and the mechanism of closing the portal. Had the body been gone, that would have made a compelling case for Buffy existing in the Hell Dimension.
But a corpse should have given Willow pause. That would imply that her soul was in Hell. From there, it would follow that she had been condemned.
No, just no.
It doesn't even violate the religious admonitions against suicide, because it wasn't an act of faithless despair, but selfless sacrifice.
It's kinda hard to posit a case where the Slayer, a literal avatar of the Light-a "Warrior of the People"- would be condemned to Hell.
Perhaps a certain "cleavagey slut bomb" might have gotten herself a timeout...
Willow could do a basic spell and talk with Buffy's soul before take her from otherworld fully
You know, it’s only just occurring to me that the Whedon Crew™ may have reused the title of this episode in Agents of Shield. That, or it’s just a coincidence.
The time between seasons is usually the summer hols. This time was... longer.
Buffy's resurrection will have lasting consequences.
That Anya scene 😮 Always creepy
Buffy was at peace and brought back by her very selfish friends. She couldn't catch a break while she was alive, and now that she was in peace, they brought her back because they wanted her back. Not cool! This going to affect her through the season, I bet. I think I understand why she goes to talk to Spike. Because she doesn't have to put on an act with him.
Does anyone ever wonder why it's called "the Afterlife"?
We all have our own opinions on what happens to us after life. Maybe there's a heaven and a hell, maybe there's a reincarnation based on what we deserve, maybe there's a physical rotting in the ground and we only exist in the hearts and minds of those who remember us. None of these options can happen unless we've died first. So why isn't it referred to as " the Afterdeath"?
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He counted the days….
Lucifer got Chloe out of heaven, but the circumstances were completely different. Buffy was given her reward, and her friends, in a moment of need, brought her back; taking that away from her. They didn't do it out of selfishness, they believed that they were doing a good thing.
So after Buffy died where is the new slayer? According to the rules of the council after a slayer dies a new one is appointed. When Buffy died in the first season Kendra was appointed as the next slayer. Nobody asks about this.
Faith was next in the Slayer line, her death would trigger the next one. Buffy is the random spare slayer
Exactly!! They always act like because the council doesn’t know that buffy is dead and that’s the reason a slayer hasn’t been called, but from what has been implied and what we have known previously a slayer just magically gets activated the second one dies and the council has to find them. So in theory it shouldnt matter if no one knows she died because the slayer just gets activated anyways. This has also bothered me for awhile. I try to chalk it up to the fact that she has already died and faith was called so maybe the universe didn’t recognize her death as a slayer death because technically in the slayer line she is already “dead” but who knows.
I assume that Faith is the "real" current slayer, Buffy has technically already died and given the mantle to Kendra. So, no new slayer until Faith dies.
@@techsoul5590I think you are right it just is weird to me because if that was fully the case it feels like when buffy died and got brought back the first time that she wouldn’t have slayer powers anymore. It just seems weird that she still has super strength if the universe doesn’t recognize her as the slayer anymore, if that makes sense.
but Faith is in jail so what they have to wait till she gets released meanwhile the world becomes a demon smorgasbord?
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Poor Buffy. What a rough existence. Being harmed by your friends in a sad, desperate attempt to "help"...that's rough all around.
It's understandable that they assumed Buffy was in hell. Glory was trying to open a portal to a hell dimension and succeeded. Buffy then jumped into it. It's not a huge leap to think her soul could be trapped in hell. Especially in a world where souls can be separated from their bodies...it's hard to tell where Buffy's soul went after jumping into a portal to a hell dimension.
Plus, the concept of Heaven hasn't shown up before on this series. There's zero mention of it. They might not even know it's possible. Yes they might have some religious beliefs but heaven had never come up in their reality before. Hell dimensions, however, have, so it makes sense that they focused on what they knew rather than just hoping for the best.
I'm not denying that there was some selfish motivation as well, but I think logically it makes sense that they assumed she could be suffering in hell.
I hate Willow so much.
All religions with an afterlife glorify it. Why would it be controversial?
I know Spike has a rabid fanbase so anything that puts him in the spotlight they eat up. But personally, I think Buffy would much more confide in Dawn about how she's feeling, apparently S5 and 6 buffy would rather talk to someone who sexually harassed her for a year, rather than her own sister.
This has nothing to do with a fan base. This is you putting your personal issues with Spike over your common sense.
She's not going to tell her little sister that she was in Heaven before her own friends pulled her out. A child does not need to hear something like that.
She can tell a demon who had nothing to do with her coming back what actually happened though.
This is common sense.