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- Life Serial: Buffy The Vampire Slayer 6X05 Reaction
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Buffy and Angel were on different, and competing, networks starting with season 6. This made real cross-overs difficult, and is the main reason the Buffy-Angel reunion was only briefly talked about, and not shown.
There was also animosity from The WB on how Buffy moved over to UPN so they didn't allow crossovers to happen.
So goes the urban legend but I wouldn’t say UPN and WB were competing networks. WB had a more established foothold as I recall. It probably had more to do with the fact there were two different productions going on concurrently which made it difficult to have more frequent crossovers
@@arielcarmona6660 Still, I bet Buffyverse fans, despite the more mature of the last two Buffy seasons, didn't like the show's move from WB to UPN.
Yeah it was just to acknowledge they were still connected despite the move to a different network. Neither channel in that first season apart would allow the other to have the "reunion" on the other network or have it first.
@@Madbandit77 Yeah, I remember initially they blamed Sarah Michelle Gellar for the move because of her comments. Everyone thought the show would be cancelled rather than be picked up by another network. But I actually like the move. It kinda reinvented the show for the last two seasons. Darker storyline but brighter visually because of the conversion to digital widescreen.
Stop touching my magic bone!
😂😂😂😂
Though it could have been inferred from previous episodes, the specialties of all of the Trio members are established; Warren's is technology, Andrew's is demon summoning, and Jonathan's is magic.
Kitten poker! I love this episode, lol.
And it introduces us to good-hearted everydemon Clem.😃
Yes so true❣ @@Madbandit77
I always giggle at Buffy’s “ bleeagh” as she takes a new shot.
😂 Highlight Spike and Buffy hanging and The Gambling of Kittens lmao 🤘
Get those pipes warmed up, 6x07 coming up, oh boy.
I can't wait for that episode.
A very important one too
The meeting between Buffy and Angel was told in a comic book.
Which comic? Because the Reunion comic by Jane Espenson seemed to just be speculation from the Scoobies about what could have happened. Does it actually tell the story of what did happen?
I always laugh like that at the mummy hand holding the tongs as well. The visual just cracks me up for some reason. Same with Jonathan's magic bone (yes, I am mentally 12). Some really great comedy moments in this episode but offset by Buffy's lack of direction and feelings of hopelessness. And that is completely understandable. Everyone is very well meaning, trying to help her get her life back on track because they feel without knowing that something's not quite right.
The Trio are supposed to be the annoyances Buffy doesn't need at this point, unfortunately. This episode is supposed to show that in Buffy's depression even the most normal of things are not right, and The Trio aren't helping the situation.
Honestly, to go from the best season to this is just… ugh. Buffy’s best friends bring her back out of pure selfishness. Then, as soon as she gets back, they’re like, “Hey, we spent all your inherited money while you were dead and now you’re stuck with the overdue bills and we’re not going to help you out one iota. Have fun!” Willow and Tara literally move into her house and don’t contribute AT ALL. Okay, they cared for Dawn while Buffy wasn’t there, but then once Buffy is back they continue going to college, don’t have jobs, and don’t help pay the bills that THEY RACKED UP WHILE SHE WAS GONE. Why does Buffy let them live there again? Are they really her friends at this point?
"Heat of the moment"
My thoughts exactly 😂
The actor Tom Lenk who plays Andrew actually played another character in season 5 episode 2 as one of Harmony's vampire minions. Vampire in the leather jacket.
Being on different networks it kinda killed the idea of true crossovers. But there was a comic book detailing that meet up. It was meh lol but this was also a way to say "hey don't forget these two shows are still connected"
Love this episode.
On the surface it's So Funny, especially the scene with the mummy hand and the tongs 😂😂
But it does have some sad undertones if you really think about it
Statistically, "money doesn't buy happiness" is true.
However, _financial security_ definitely does. Money stops buying happiness above a certain threshold and actively makes you more depressed by the time you're in billionaire territory, but if you're struggling to get by? Yes. Yes, it absolutely buys happiness.
money doesn't buy happiness but a lack of it can indeed exacerbate sadness.
I believe the saying is "money doesn't buy happiness but poverty will sure make you miserable."
doesn't make me happy but makes being miserable a hell of a lot easier
Well said everyone…
Just don’t tell Anya. 🤫
Hope you guys feel better soon!
The comment from John nailed it, both how Spike must have felt and how Willow is self-centered.
My understanding is that there's a comic that details the meet-up between Angel and Buffy but I haven't seen it myself.
Buffy and Stargate were by far my favorite series in my teenage years, both had a time loop episode. In Stargate it is probably the best episode of all 10 seaons. Buffys Groundhog day is in comparison a bit of a let down ...
I thought Buffy's Groundhog Day was okay being short. The "Groundhog Day" device has become overused in TV nowadays.
@@Madbandit77 Kinda OK, but for me definitely not one of the good to really good episodes. It's just, the groundhog day premise has lot of potential, I don't feel this episode made the best out of it. It is basically a five minutes joke, that's it ...
The problem was not the show but the fact that back in the day Buffy was now on a competing Network (United Paramount Network) which was in competition with the Warmer Brother's Network that prevented crossovers between the two shows is my understanding. Thank you for all your wonderful reactions. ❤❤😊
Plus the fact that The WB is still pissed off on how FOX moved Buffy over to UPN so they definitely did not allow any crossover to happen.
@@Henrik_Holst I was totally unaware the Fox network was in any way involved with the situation back in the day. The two networks that I mentioned in my post would later merge to become the CW Network.
Again not really competition UPN was so new it usually was way down in the ratings compared to the WB
@@arielcarmona6660 And Buffy was their temporary saving grace before folding into the WB.
@@ClintWillowdale This was before Fox had a network. FOX was the producer of Buffy (and Angel) they sold the broadcasting rights in the US to The WB but sometime between S4 and S5 FOX decided that they wanted more money from The WB per episode (plus shenanigans from Murdock) so they did something that was completely unheard of, the started a bidding war between The WB and UPN and UPN made an offer that The WB couldn't match plus that UPN signed on for two seasons at once.
This dick move (in the industry it was a rule that you never moved a show from the network that helped create it unless that network cancelled the show) made The WB quite angry so they did two things, #1 they started to advertise S5 as the final season and #2 they didn't allow for cross-overs to happen.
There will be no crossover because The WB is still quite upset with FOX on how they moved Buffy over to UPN.
According to the DVD commentaries ( I forget which episode or which commentator), the networks wren't keen on physical crossovers for a while after Buffy switched. They got past it, but there's a patch where there just weren't any.
Between Buffy season 6 and Angel season 3, specifically.
The Groundhog Day was the result of a nerd(Johnathan) attempting to defeat Buffy. It can not be great because it is used by a child with childish intent. It is not well thought out and really solves it quickly, just like the other nerd challenges.This episode and many going forward are about how many really small events and petty people get in the way in life. We can either become entrapped in their small lives and norms or we can become individuals not brought down to the society norms of compliance. Look at her friends the episode. Willow and Tara put their values on Buffy and think she is a scholar. Xander knows what has happened but wants to fit in and fires Buffy. And where was Xander with a new employee that was getting grief from the start. Finally Giles is distracted and Anya , who probably cursed a man like this in her past, does not have any concern for Buffy. And that is the point. Our friends voice concern but don’t act or try to understand.Again it’s up to Spike to understand but he is useless to help emotionally. This is a sneaky episode to further show the distance between the Scoobys and Buffy and that Spike is the only one that Buffy can relate. Another step in a great season.
Hate to tell you this, but we never get the details of this meeting between Buffy and Angel. That missing scene and the events of I Will Remember You still bother me decades after seeing this for the first time 😭
It does feel like Buffy could probably do the construction thing pretty well, just try it again now that she knows people won't be messing with her. Or let the demon nibble on one of her sexist coworkers a little AND then save him. Hell these days she could just do the fiver thing and lift heavy things for people moving and such.
I know it's mostly a comedy bit and she said she didn't want to do retail anyway in the previous scene so you don't feel too bad ultimately but Anya saying "oh we'll just take it out of your pay" and Giles responding awkwardly with "Oh I'm sure Buffy would understand that" is like.... testing the limits of "quirkiness" I think and going a bit far for the joke.
Like obviously the episodes kind of hitting the "life sucks for Buffy" thing extra hard but I feel like either Giles would quietly go "no seriously Anya, lay off Buffy on her first day and when she's just been resurrected from the dead" or Buffy would be within her rights to say either "no, you can eat that cost. It was a mistake" or since Anya has suggested charging people for saving their lives earlier in the episode, "Ok, take that out of the wages on my training shift, fair, fair annnnnnd you can put in your first installment in the exciting new "you're living in a world that solely exists due to Buffy" payment plan."
Giles is perfectly healthy... but.
Speed it up young lady lol. Im not starting your season six reactions til you've done EP 7 so I can. Binge right through to that lol. JK keep up the good work 😊
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Honestly with his skill at building time manipulation devices and human like robots to errr.... play chess with Warren would be a billionaire in the real world, not slumming it Sunnydale.
Agreed, but since Buffy inadvertently made Katrina break up with him, Warren is a petty weasel and will later become dangerous.
No Angel today?
I’m afraid not, Sharon has been quite poorly but there will be 3 episodes next Thursday to make up for it 💜
@@DakaraJayne Cool. Hope you feel better.
@@DakaraJayne Our heartful apologizes. We'll wait with anticipation. 😎👍
Sending healing vibes to Sharon...
So Spike had nothing better to do with Buffy than take her to kitten poker. I honestly don't believe it. This is rather just some teen humor.
We see that he stopped asking her to be with him a long time ago already. But he still loves her and tries to be friends with her when she needs this emotional support now. By the way he behaves absolutely like a human being. Trying to provide her support without asking for anything and expecting anything. That's what she needs now. So I believe he can find better things to do with her or show her. At least this he knows, how to take care of a girl, he did it with Dru, providing her everything she asked for and doing everything for her. That's in his character. To please a woman that he loves. Which he will be doing later here too.
What I suggest instead.
Even if they want it to be a bar, okay, then I suggest them stay there, continue conversation, Buffy continues having drinks and at some point she would want to dance. Just relax because she is tired of all the things in her life and alcohol helps her forget about it. Spike could watch her and maybe at some point come to her and try to join. She lets him first (she is drunk and she kind of likes his company now) but then she gets scared of it and runs away trying to find and excuse. I can see that happening.
This will also make their next meeting a bit awkward and this way it will provide a good (!) reason why Buffy misunderstands Spike when he speaks about one thing but she thinks that he is asking her out. This will perfectly fit in the plot later. Taking their story in that season to the next level.
The sociology lecture Buffy attends always bugs me because it's not actually deep or clever.
Parroting jargon that just describes the theory and poses no interesting questions or interpretation...
It ALWAYS bothers me that this is the representation of intellectual stimulation that Buffy is exposed to, despite having NO WAY to engage with the subject. They may as well have been speaking a foriegn language and expecting her to keep up.
I have a friend sitting an advanced economics degree. She'll occasionally send me some work to read, bc English is her second language, but many of her assignments are given in English. Half of my feedback is asking which definition of a particular word or phrase is pertinent, bc without the context of her lectures my guess work isn't actually helpful. And my respectful contribution of "hang them all" (bankers etc) isn't admissible :P
She does not expect me to know her subject well enough to critique her answers or contribute & she provides me with the context I need to help her edit and proof read. (I'm essentially acting as the idiot in "explain it to an idiot" and if I can understand her answer, she must be doing something right)
The fact Willow doesn't even TRY to do this just annoys me bc it's pretty damn self centred and myopic. She SHOULD be smarter than that!
Buffy the Builder is awesome, bc it betrays both the machismo of many male dominated work places... AND how that despite such obviously "negative" things... they're not actually as bad as some assume. Sure, they rag on Buffy, but it's not particularly malicious, and the later denials and fairly obviously quite normal. "sure, this small woman killed some demons while I cowered" is hardly an admission a person will make if they want to sound sane :P
I just liked that Buffy assumes the grouchy guy will hate her & Xander tells her he was impressed. A little nudge to remind us that Buffy's insecurities don't ALL come from her return, and that sometimes she can assume the worst when it is not true.
Retail Buffy takes the cake though, because customer support is endlessly frustrating, nm the workplace :P
A brilliant episode.
I know a lot of people hate the Trio, but I've ALWAYS loved the juxtaposition of the seriousness of Buffy's arc in this season, and the absurdity of the villains... along with WAY more actual horror imo. The humanity of the evil makes it so much worse when it hits those bleak moments.
Without doubt The Trio are so irritating at this point, especially Andrew. I get exactly what people saying about them at this point, as they are not lending to the seriousness of the storylines. As if Buffy didn't have enough to cope with, now we have these goons messing with her life. Spike bringing Buffy to the poker game for kittens brings some light relief. All in all I don't think it was a good episode.
no Andrew was really funny the actor excellent and well developped then the trio's evolution is interesting. Buffy's character too deals with her life plans and the episode was a comedy gold. Very interesting scene with Buffy hust fell good with Spike, this is important for their characters development this season clever and a great writting. Giles character at the end too about his place as a father's or family's figure for Buffy he is questionning
@@alooncnej4696 I am just saying irritating 'at this point' . Even Anya referred to him later as ' the irritating virgin' However, I take all your points.
Well they're supposed to be amateurs. nerds/outcasts who are wannabe villains. They are bumbling and childish. A bit of comic relief.😆 They are not supposed to be smooth like Dracula or Spike or even menacing like Glory. They are a real life enemy not supernatural per se. They are unlike anything Buffy is used to. This is like a villain origin story which will evolve.