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- Hell's Bells: Buffy 6x16 Reaction
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16:16 The Buffy theme song as her ringtone. Yep, she loves the show.
I was so confused at that for a second ahaha
Thanks for such a thoughtful reaction. A lot of reactors get on the hate train for Xander for what he does so it's really nice to seen such thoughtful understanding of why he does it. We've had little nuggets through the seasons that his family life wasn't great, but apart from the heart-ripping scene in Restless this is the first time we've seen the Harrises in all their dysfunctional horror. Great reaction to a heartbreaking episode.
D'hofryn does such a great job of being comic relief you forget how evil he is and then he twists the knife at the end
It says a lot about Xander's father that a pack of demons are more well behaved at a wedding
they want to end the world, not common courtesy.
Im with Dakara. I don't think Xander knew he was going to walk away. All we know now is that he was pushed in that direction.
A lot of fans seem to overlook that Xander did talk about his fears with Anya saying he feared the wedding, not the marriage. Xander even seemed excited after the appearance of Riley and Sam "they have a great marriage. It bummed buffy out, but I can see it" he was even asking tips about cameras etc. So I would say Xander seemed pretty resolved about getting married before i.e. "Cufflings, check. Now nothing can stop this wedding!" But the demon gave him a reason to fear the marriage, not just the wedding. Had he not appeared Xander probably would've gone a long with it. Ironically, a Xander Harris moment that highlights his selflessness.
Its a pretty good episode just on the topic of long term consquences too. The impact The Harris's had on Xander. Willow talking about their fling. Dawn having discomfort with Halfrek and Anya's past coming back to haunt her.
I always feel exhausted after watching this episode.. this is so sad and depressing. Poor Anya 😢
This is the only episode of Buffy I refuse to rewatch. I hate it so much.
I think it was really smart of the show to not tell us what the demon did to get punished. It's easy to assume that he got what he deserved but we know that not all of Anya's victims deserved it. Cordelia was mean but she definitely didn't deserve that wish Anya granted.
The dude probably just didn’t respond to unwelcome advances from a woman.
"Not all" likely means few at all. "My boyfriend cheated on me, I wish his guts were ripped out" seems to be how it works.
The wish was on behalf of Cordelia, not to punish her. And Anyanka did say she had no idea the wish would be that interesting. She just granted a wish that someone (Buffy) didn't ever come to town.
Of course she has dropped a lot of stories of some pretty horrendous torture she was responsible for, would depend what someone wished for though.
I think the wish isn't their idea but the twisting, creativity of said wish was created by the vengeance demon. Dawn's wish was to not be alone and for her loved ones to spend time with her. Halfreck made the innocent wish into a hellscape for Dawn and anyone in the vicinity.
yes it's clever writing. we don't know if hes an innocent victim getting revenge or if he deserved his punishment if he even did anything to merit a punishment.
Your ringtone is the Buffy theme?!!!
Yes, yes it is haha
former vengeance demon gets some vengeance herself.
This is one of the most heartbreaking but well done episodes of the whole show. As a guy who got married and divorced quite young. Not being ready is... It can be devastating.
Xander didn't just see the (fake) future he lived it and experienced it as if it was real and most importantly, it left him feeling that he actually wanted to kill Anya there at the end. There is no easy way back from that, not saying that Xander isn't to blame for walking away, he should have been more open about his fears before, just saying that it's more complicated.
You don't have to explain. There's no picking sides in this scenario. An emotionally mature person understands and sympathizes with both parties. Plus they weren't given any time at all to deal with what just happened. The situation just sucked all around. However, no one has any right to tell Xander how to react.
I also think it was all orchestrated by D'Hoffryn, as the only one with the means and motive to bring that guy from another dimension at exactly the right time and place with the fake vision orb, who was then ready and waiting to make Anya a demon again. Xander consistently didn't want to invite that guy, or to have the whole big stressful wedding.
@@rfresa I like this idea!
One of my favorite episodes, even though it is so sad. Seeing Xander's family gives more appreciation for what a good man he is. The two family groups fighting is hilarious. And Spike attempting to make Buffy jealous
The thing is, Xander chose nearly the worst of his options. His doubts have been out in the open for months. What he should have done is worked out that stuff ahead of time, maybe gotten into counseling, either individual for himself or couples counseling with Anya. That would be the best option. Second option is to recognize that doubts, "cold feet", and worries about the future are _normal_ going into a marriage and commit to working it out maybe including counseling again, this time after the wedding. Instead, he does the one thing that will hurt Anya the most--exactly as the demon _wanted_ him to do. Congratulations, Xander. You're a weapon in that demon's hand, used to stab the person you say you love right. through. the. heart.
Exactly!
Boo hoo..the demon that has murdered THOUSANDS of people suffered some heartbreak so now she's gonna go back to committing mass murder. She's evil.
"He's gonna leave her at the altar isn't he?" It is a season 6 episode so yeah.
It is an interesting dilemma cause yeah, this dude did get pretty badly screwed over, unless what he did is truly monstrous (like, actual crime stuff), getting turned into a demon, apparently forever and being tortured isn't a reasonable punishment for cheating on someone or dumping them. Buffy kills demons and vampires for doing comparatively less than Anya did to this dude pretty regularly.
Characters like Faith and Angel feel guilty and atone for their crimes over a long time and they accept any punishment or judgment they get (eventually, Faith took a bit but she went to jail in Angel) but Anya and a few other characters kind don't. Like Xander summoning the singing/dancing demon as well. That stuff just kinda gets glossed over because the characters who did that stuff seem to exist in the "funny, ho ho" side of the show and the writers want to keep it that way/not examine the consequences of the choices they make the characters make. So you kinda have these slightly odd feeling dichotomies.
That's the rub tho right? We don't know if he deserved it. It can go 50/50 cuz vengeance demons don't care about equal/even justice. They just care about revenge. Anya was kinda forced into atoning for her crimes. She lost her powers forced to live as a regular human and learned that not all men are like her ex. (no spoilers) Angel and Spike similarly had no choice cuz one got his soul from a curse and the other a chip. Anya wasn't "evil' per say, she was taken advantaged by a demon who channeled her grief into evil. She did regret her past and fought on the side of the SLayer, the side of good to atone. I think she's more than paid her debt I think.
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tmyeah... This is a big no. She was punished for having her pendant destroyed and didn't regret anything she did. She constantly brags about the glory days. She joined them to be closed To Anya. I always say Anya was worse than Angel and Spike 😂😂😂.
@@robertoglencoco7861 Closed to Anya? I don't understand that part. The rest, I disagree. She was never "pure evil' like Angelous. Like Spike, ok. The Scooby Gang, ie Xander changed her. She didn't have to join them. She could have continued to try to become a vengeance demon again. She could have become a witch. Joined others to do bad. But she didnt. Denofrin seems to have wanted her back but again she chose not to.
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm Anya has many bodies that are not talked about 🤣🤣🤣. Plus she was already human when she tried to get everybody at the bronze killed so she could get her powers back. Angel expressed guilt upon getting his soul. Anya never expressed any remorse. Not even in this episode. She was just sad the demon convinced Xander to leave.
SPOILER!!!!!!!⚠️⚠️⚠️
Also her becoming a vengeance demon again proves my point. "Oh! But she was heartbroken and vulnerable" she chooses to become a demon again and tries to trick Xander's friends into possibly killing him.
@@robertoglencoco7861 Anya isn't a main character like Angel or SPike. She's a background character. Her redemption isn't a main storyline cuz she isn't a main character. But that doesn't mean she didn't have one. Her redemption lies in her making friends and learning to care about them and the mission. It's been a while but wasn't the bronze thing in the Willow Doppleganger episode where they went back there or the episode where she was introduced?
Regardless, she wasn't their friends yet at that point. They hadn't made an impact on her yet. Her focus was to get her powers back. Angel didn't have remorse for anyone or cared about anyone before he was turned. He was a selfish, womanizer drunk. He had a soul then. lol He only felt remorse becuz of a curse put upon him where he felt the weight of everything he had done as a vampire.
Denofrin want's women who've been vctmzd. Women who've hit rock-bottom, at their most vulnerable, having lost everything. That's what makes a good vengeance demon to him. No spoilers but u left out what she does in a later episode with the Frat. What she chooses. 😉
Love your reactions! 🤍
That scene between Buffy and Spike gets in my feels too. Buffy puts a brave face in front of everyone, even herself, but she allows Spike to see her vulnerability. That breaking it off with him is hurting her as bad as it is him.
And Spike originally wanted to go about it in an immature way but when he saw Buffy’s sincerity, he immediately became genuine too and even alluded to the fact he won’t be taking his date back to his crypt because he notices it would hurt her.
I can’t be convinced that they weren’t in love here.
They’re not.
Spike, being soulless, is unable to feel genuine love. Only an approximation of it, which is to obsess and the desire to possess.
Buffy is not in love, she’s just using Spike to numb the emptiness inside her.
@@arc7375 I disagree that the sex was just about distracting her from the pain. Buffy was developing feelings for Spike leading up to Smashed. She isn’t one to have casual sex. I think the end of Dead Things establishes that she feels deeply for him, and that it’s something she can’t face because he still is a monster.
While Spike’s love was twisted at the beginning, I do think it started changing. The porch scene, his refusal to give up Dawn, taking care of Dawn and the scoobies even though it wouldn’t benefit him. He has done plenty of selfless actions for her.
The monster in Spike wants Buffy at all costs but I think she loves the William side of him and his William side definitely surfaced in this scene.
I think they both have some feelings at this point. But it doesnt feel like love to me, especially on Buffy's part. And I agree with the comment above, Spike just can't fully grasp the concept of love without his soul.
There's something to be said for thinking you have a better idea of someone's feelings than they do. Buffy has been very admit that she doesn't love him and she she doesn't trust him.
Season 7 is a different story, but even then, Spike, I think, would agree that what they had in this point in time isn't love.
@@samanthas8340 what is there to be said about me? I’m just a fan with an interest in dissecting characters in a show I love.
Meanwhile, Buffy doesn’t trust Spike when it comes to her heart because he doesn’t have a soul. Despite the good he’s done so far, he doesn’t truly have remorse for any lives he’s taken. When they began sleeping together, Spike stopped trying to be a better man and constantly asked her to come into the dark with him. That’s just not in Buffy’s nature.
Despite all of this and what she says, Buffy does show quite often that she does love Spike.
I can rewatch The Body, Forever, Passion , and Becoming Part 2 and appreciate the episode . They are powerful and are part of the reason that Buffy is a great, great show. But for some unknown reason or reasons… I can not bring myself to watch Hells Bells. No other episode so far in the show or any going further has this much heaviness for me. Makes no sense but I choose not to watch this brilliant episode. Maybe one day but not now. I understand a like and a comment helps your channel, so I will help you. Hope no one else is like me and you were entertained. I will rejoin next episode and thank you for your reactions
That vision was first person for Xander. It must have been very jarring. The cruel remarks, the yelling, and the frying pan attack was all through his own eyes. He's deathly afraid of turning out like his awful family. Dude needs therapy last season. We talk a lot about how Willow and Buffy need Giles but Xander does too. Guys need wiser guys to talk to about guy problems. It really sucks that Oz left and Larry died. Back then, long distance overseas calling was not very practical but at this point I think it would be time to break the emergency glass and call Giles.
As for Spike, like Angel says, vampires are very much like their human selves. William was a romantic and Liam was into theatrics. The demon just perverts the human's desires. Romance turns into obsession and theatrics turns into serial killer death scenes. Vampires can feel, It's almost like they need to feel. They turn up the feelings so much that it turns into a Spanish soap opera. It's like a mockery of the dead human. Angelus' first victims was Liam's family and at the same time Liam's final forgiveness in the eyes of his father. For Spike, romance is his goal but the demon that he is makes it into obsession and control. Obviously humans are perfectly capable of being creepy little gremlins too as Xander's family are exhibit 1.
Why dont i feel bad for Anya? 😂😂😂
I love Anya but Xander is such a hypocrite for constantly complaining about Angel turning evil and than marrying someone who could be even more dangerous if they turn evil again and then he causes it to happen
The OG Renegade Rebel Spike is my Highlight of this because this one yep... I since no repercussions for this ending 😂 I know your way ahead on Patreon but Yep this episode sad ending, Stay awesome Dakara 🤘
Basic science, changing the past can't change the present. Nice twist though, a demon getting revenge of all things. Xander was afraid that he would turn into his father, or uncle. Let's face it, the men in his family were the worst.
Spike not having a soul isn't relevant to his feelings. Vampires can have complex feelings just fine without a soul; and one point Dru even describes it as, "We can love quite well…If not wisely."
They one thing they don't have a capacity for without a soul is guilt, but they can feel love, and jealousy, anger and grief and wide array of feelings. But without a soul they can't reconcile those feelings or their own behavior with with any kind of morality; leading to frequently toxic behavior and obsessions.
The way the show is written, Spike's chip DID force certain morals on him at first - quite painfully. However, he started to slowly work out his own morals and apply morals he learned as a human to his current existence. His introduction to relationships was obviously toxic because Drusilla was a vampire and insane (thanks Angelus!), also it was basically forced on him. Buffy is the first decent person he's ever truly loved and she turned to him for the wrong reasons. There could have been/could be a good thing there, and that's what we see in that small interaction that made Dakara tear up.
@@Kayjee17 BS. This is the fairytale Spuffy shippers like to buy into, but not even remotely what happens on the show.
This whole season Spike is gaslighting her in thinking she "came back wrong" and "can't confide in her friends," and he's "the only one who understands," playing on her clear emotional distress of being back and all of the other struggles she's going through. She gives into this entirely to feel something, anything, no matter how unhealthy it is or how it makes her feel; and Spike doesn't care, because he get to get his rocks off and live the fantasy. But Buffy puts it succinctly when she breaks up with him, that she can't keep using him, because it's killing her.
As for the chip, that's not applying morality, it's a leash, plain and simple. It's not training him to anticipate consequences or changing his mindset on anything. Look not further than episode when he has the slightest indication that the chip has stopped work after he hits Buffy. What's the first thing he tries to do? Go after innocent people. He's learned nothing from the chip and would promptly going back to be exactly who and what he was before it if it truly did stop working at any point in the season. When he realizes it only doesn't work when he hurts Buffy, does he even hesitate from throwing a very literal punch at the woman he supposedly loves so much? Not even at all. Give her flowers or a black eye, it's all the same to him.
The show's idea of what happens to someone who is turned into a vamp is that a demon partly inhabits them, I think. Their thoughts, feelings, guilt they had as humans (assuming they had these as a human) still exist but the overwhelming hunger for blood and for havoc is very powerful. Not unlike drg addiction. Even Spike had moments of compassion even before he got the chip. Angel needed a soul to not be Angelous.
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm You had the first part right, at least in terms of how the show presented the concept (at first) of being turned. But the part about "guilt they had as humans (assuming they had these as a human) still exist but the" is not really part of the narrative.
Angel outlines it in the episode "Angel" - "the demon takes your body, but it doesn't get your soul. That's gone! No conscience, no remorse... It's an easy way to live. You have no idea what it's like to have done the things I've done... and to care. "
They have emotions, but they do not have remorse or guilt; that's the entire point of a soul. Without it, they're acting impulse and pleasure.
Though one commentary on the whole "demon possession" aspect presented in the early days of Buffy - both shows go well out of their way demonstrating that that's simply not the case. The vampire is the human, mutated into a demon/hybrid (not unlike other "part-demons" seen throughout the Buffyverse) and stripped of their soul. There are no indications of any "other" being controlling or manipulating their actions, "making" them evil. Darla went from human to vampire to human and vampire again and it was a lateral transition. When Darla was pregnant with Connor, his soul imprinted on her, but it wasn't a separate consciousness, it just allowed her to experience remorse for her actions.
The implication of just a human with no soul can be see in the Angel episode, "I've Got You Under Your Skin". The kid in that episode, Ryan, was a normal, living human boy, but had no soul. The Ethros that tried to possess him became trapped inside, which became its own torture for the ethros; enough that it begged for death. With no soul, Ryan could give Angelus a run for his money. He had no remorse, he tried to burn his house down with his parents inside because his sister got more marshmallows in his coco.
@@stargazer1682 He was the champion that needed to wear the amulet that saved everybody, right? Prophecy? lol Spike's redemption arc started way before he got his soul. In a twisted way, he did feel love, regret, compassion, guilt without a soul. That is a testament to the kind of man he was before being a vampire. Buffy was the catalyst to his change, evolution. Ur imagination of what Spike would have done for Dawn is just speculation. The only thing that is fact that we see is him, taking care of her. Guilt, for love of Buffy, for good, they are all emotions that exist without a soul. "failed buffy" That's guilt. WHy guilt over humans? Cuz he loved Buffy and cares what happens to her little sister ... love.
They leaned into every single Episcopalian stereotype with Xander's family.
Adds a new dimension to Xander's feelings for Buffy, doesn't it? No matter how drunk or angry he got, he couldn't ever (physically) hurt her. I think a part of him still wants that safety net.
Oh god first comment, the pressure!!
Welcome to my most despised trope in pop culture but actually handled one of the best ways.
YOU NEVER LEAVE SOMEONE AT THE ALTAR. Go through it and deal with it, the devastation and public humiliation (which Emma Caulfield portrays so poignantly) is as bad as realising that it is not the best decision.
But also the comedy in this episode- when the demon slinks off when Dawn puts her foot in it, I adore it.
Its amazing the highs of sincere emotion, high comedy of Spike and mixing families and then one of the most gut wrenching lows of the buffyverse. In a show that has put us through so much, i shouldnt be shocked that it can really hit me hard in new and surprising ways with the human drama and the supernatural.
Loved seeing Halfrek and D'Hoffryn! Hope we see more of them. Wonder if the "gift" was ever recaptured?
Buffy Ringtone?
Yup haha
I noticed that too 😂❤
This can't be the end of Xanya
I enjoyed your reactions so much that in subscribed. I can't wait till you react to season 7.
I don't get why the dad would be invited if he's an abusive pos. I understand Xander's fear, but he should have cancelled or postponed the wedding earlier, till he figured things out. Anya is too demanding and pushy, you can't force someone into things or change them, that's a lesson for her too. Xander needs to work and want to be better on his own. He was kinda uncertain about getting married and delayed the announcement of the proposal, but she wasn't perceptive and only cared about getting what she wanted. She should have either been patient or left.
I thought the Wedding episode was very cleverly observed. From the Bridesmaids hating the awful dresses, to the culture clash between the two families, the obsessiveness of the Bride, the doubts about getting married at all etc. All these are very real things that could be attributed to many weddings. Of course as the Old Man creates the false future for Xander this reinforces his doubts, it can only lead to trouble. Even though he eventually knows it was all fake, he still can't go through with it. It has to be said that from the off Anya was almost forcing Xander into the relationship, and he was so somewhat immature and not ready for this. This is of course no excuse for his actions here in not going through with it, but it is an important point too. With Anya spurned we know how this is going to affect everything. I think everybody tends to forget how dangerous she can be, and the turmoil she caused in the past going back to S3 The Wish and Dopplegnagland. Hell's Bells is the spark that adds to the 'chaos' that is Season 6, a very important episode for the darkness of the Season going forward.
For some reason they played that scene between Spike and Buffy very gently, probably even softer than it is intended in the script. Buffy is really gentle with him here. You haven't seen her like this before and you won't see such later in this season. For some reason this scene exists like a separate universe. In this scene, not only can they communicate with each other, which was their problem, but they are even sweet. It's like when the plot doesn't really try to make it look bad on purpose, then it looks like this.
Nice wavy hair today. This failed wedding always makes me so sad. Buffy being jealous shows she cares and that there is something there. Spike's first feelings coming through show his for her. Dawn hanging out with the only other teenager that was there, and flirting with him, I loved, because she still is a teenage girl with the hormones to prove it after all. We get the sweet moments with Tara and Willow, hinting at a reconciliation, as they prepared to tear apart Anya and Xander, the one couple you think are safe. I never thought this was the couple they would touch. Well, I didn't think they would touch Tara and Willow, either, so there's that. I really like what it opens up for the plot now that everyone is apart, though. And those bridesmiad dresses could have been very nice if they had taken off the sleeps and just left the strap and removed the ruffles from the bottom so they were a shorter skirt length. And maybe used the flower to hold the hair in an updo of some sort or ditch it altogether, because it didn't belong on that dress. Those dresses were out of style two decades before that show was filmed. I kind of like Anya's dress. It grew on me after a few watchings. The shape was always nice, but the weird little balls are now just totally the fashion choice of Anya.
My issue with Xander leaving Anya at the alter is more along the lines of him having reservations and cold feet since _All the Way_ aka the Halloween episode of this season. If he had talked to her instead of doing magic to see if they'd have a happy ending aka making a musical (how many people died because he refused to talk to her instead), then perhaps Stewart Burns wouldn't have been able to get into Xander's head with fears of becoming his father.
Xander shouldn't worry about being his father as much as he should worry about leaving her at the alter being just as, or more hurtful emotionally, than what he claims he trying to avoid physically, when not marrying Anya.
I don't mind that he had these issues, but admitting the spell to make everyone sing being to just see if he'd be happy with her means he wanted to know, which means he should have either been talking to her about it or not marrying her at all, and that goes back to Anya's initial reaction at his proposal because she assumed it meant he was doing so because he didn't think he'd have to follow through, which he'd claimed was wrong. If he couldn't talk to Anya about all these issues she was right about why he was initially proposing. I feel like Anya saying, "grow up" and "your only [proposing] because you know you don't have to go through with it" goes right over Xander's head. It's sad that he does this when he had many chances to make sure it didn't. It's not Xander's issues that bother me. It's how he chooses to handle and react to them: how he reacted when Buffy says she doesn't see him romantically, leaving Anya at the alter, and many other reactions to issues in-between.
Willow considering the larva over the dress was hysterical (she wasn't wrong in why she considered it, joke or not). Dawn was the only one who came close to pulling it off.
I am going to go all in for the dresses. I think they're cute!!
I couldn't agree more about everything else!
@@chickflikguru The dresses were fine, in my opinion. The lace on them was the problem, not the color.
Since I've lived a fortunate life, I've only had to attend 3 weddings my entire life. If we count this wedding among them ... this isn't the worst wedding I've witnessed. Lol
Yikes
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That's sad. I've been to hundreds. Sometimes just to pop in for a few minutes and show my face, and on a dozen or two occasions for nearly the entire ceremony and party. And not a single one would register as "bad", as far as some of the stories I've heard.
I really liked this episode at first, but I've become less enchanted with it after multiple viewings; especially know how things play out after (which I know is safe, as I see Dakara has actually finished the series).
Any part of this episode would probably have been fine, if they had just committed _that_ premise and that premise alone. Intead, they try to do a little of everything and it just muddles the plot.
This episode could have been right up there with "The Wish" or "The Zeppo". I really like the alternate future angle and I think this episode would have been best served if it had committed to that and made that what this episode was really about; and I think that's why I liked it so much at first, because my initial impression was that being the central plot, but it isn't. The fake future stuff only lasts a few minutes; and the implications of that whole plot point are undermined moving forward, where Xander leaving Anya at the aisle had nothing to do with this and was just him having second thoughts. Putting Xander through this ordeal is not inconsequential, it's a big deal. He saw his worst fears made manifest, with a life with Anya turning out to be a complete mistake; and then culminated with such a burst of anger as to cause him to pick up a skillet and swing for her head. And it wasn't like he watched it play out secondhand either, it was _him,_ he was put into the mindset and perspective where he experienced personally doing that.
I am not a fan of Xander, but they psychically assault him in this episode and then expect him to just brush it off and be ready to get married; which is ridiculous. Even if Xander was ready to get married, that kind of experience would be cause to hold off on it. There's also the missed opportunity with this premise of going more into depth with how things played out fro Xander and the Scoobies. Again, this could have been the next "The Wish" and they could have genuinely jumped forward in time and see how things play out, good and bad, for all of the characters.
Then there's the flip side of the episode - Xander's gone missing, Xander gets cold feet and leaves Anya at the altar. If that's the take away after this episode, if Xander's going to be the bad guy in this, then commit to it. Skip the fake future Xander angle. We get a taste of all the character dynamics in the initial pre-wedding chaos - and then Xander's just gone. They don't know where he is, they don't know what happened. Forget the stall hijinx at the venue, that was painful. And the stuff with "Anya's side" was a farce to the extreme.
Most of the Scoobies split up to find Xander, save for maybe one or two people, who keep Anya and the guests occupied. The focus would be on the others following up leads of what might have happened and where he went. Each of them plausible, some possibly comical, others potentially serious, but ultimately none of them pans out. Then Willow works something out and turns up at the motel where Xander had checked in; she figured out where he went, maybe even early on and just sits with him quietly, as he doesn't know what to say to how to explain. Maybe at some point he gives Willow a letter that she later takes to Anya.
Can't have your cake and eat it too. Sounds like you're just upset because they logically made people feel and understand Xander. You'd rather just him be that bad guy because you're not a fan but don't want to feel like a jerk about it.
Xander gets a lot of fan displeasure....understandably. but his fears and doubts were real and legit, and he's only 21? 22? At a 1000+ years old, Anya should probably be a little more mature and ready than Xander was.
That's Buffy for you; in 7 episodes the three 'couples' all split up. Going with the Season 6 theme that Adulthood is rubbish.
Sadly this episode is the last Xander centric episode of the series run.
I actually HATE this episode, and always skip it when re-watching season 6. Not for any good reason. It's a good ep, but I just hate it, and can't even tell you why.
I mean, Xander did "come clean" sooner.
In episode 4 Anya asked if he wants to get married and Xander said yes and that he didn't want to tell his friends yet because:
"I'm still getting used to the miracle of a steady paycheck. And getting out of my parents' house. And this... this husband thing... it's a big step. Or a lot of little ones. And I love you so much, I just want every step to be just right."
And Anya responded to that by hugging and kissing him for 1 second and went:
"You tricked me! Just now, with your fancy talk and, and lips! You keep doing this, and I keep forgetting, and you keep stalling! When are you going to grow up, Xander?"
"You keep doing this." Says to me that in the time between seasons she kept asking and he has kept saying things like this. But Anya just ignores him and basically calls him a child. So how many times is he supposed to open up and share his feelings and how many times should he get shut down before he's allowed to stop trying?
Watch Night action series ❤❤
Some guys look really good in a tuxedo. Xander is not one of them. The tuxedo is wearing him.
This episode made me hate Xander for a long time. Like, I get it, I come from a similar home as his, but this was NOT the way to go about it.
I genuinely think this was a mistake by Joss and the writers. For starters, the left at the altar trope is lame. I swear it happens in half the weddings on film. It's lazy and boring, regardless of the circumstances. SPOILER PART: But beyond that, it removes anything interesting going on for either character next season. Imagine if instead of them having nothing to do all season besides crack jokes, get saved, and fix furniture, they could have been showing the struggles of getting married young and how that changes their dynamic with each other and everyone else. Not to mention, as low as everyone feels this season, it wouldn't have been the worst thing to give the audience something. Heck they could have created extreme friction in the marriage right off the top, but instead, just more complete misery.
Buffy is REALLY bad at making up lies...
if you cried with this ending...
Xander's a coward here. Not for leaving Anya, but not confronting his dysfunctional family before marrying her. Sure he can handle vampires, demons and others things that lurk in the dark and under a bed (he subconsciously uses Buffy as a escape hatch) but not them.
But that's how real life works. We don't fix everything before we make decisions. Plus he's only 21
@@treyokelly9662 He's 20, and that's too young to get married, dysfunctional family or not.
@@Madbandit77 I relate his age to Buffy and Buffy is 21 at this point. And it is young but I would caution at too young. It's about a mindset and a commitment. I know people that got married right out of high school and they're still happily married a decade or more later.
@@treyokelly9662 That's fine, but not everyone should get married at a young age unless they're mature enough to handle future problems by dealing with past ones. Xander is far from mature.
People who try to justify their takes by pushing unattainable expectations onto others are cowards.
Don’t worry.
They have a very rocky time in the upcoming episodes, but they end up marrying again (properly this time) during season 7. And instead of inviting their whole families, it’s just Buffy, Willow, Tara, Dawn, Halfrek and Giles.
There’s still drama and shenanigans, as one would expect, but they finally get their happy wedding.
What's the point of a comment like this? Either (1) it's true and a massive spoiler, or (2) it's false and just nonsense. Either way, I don't see a good reason to write it.
Because she seemed so genuinely upset, and I wanted to just let her know that for this particular story element, it eventually ends up working out okay.
She has seen the whole show now on patreon lol
Then I hope she enjoyed the wedding, and Giles walking Anya up the aisle.