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They're asking for ID or passport numbers? That seems like a terrible idea. I'd love to win something like this, but I can't fathom putting that info into an unknown site!
@@accusonus would so love to win this prize. My birthday is Nov. 13th and I'll be doing a vlog in Cabo. Would totaly love to be able to add your audio programming since I know that it is going to be windy as hell there. Thanks for the giveaway.
Yeah, Daniel didn't even get any blood or bone on the 360 camera. How is he going to generate the mega clicks needed with those kind of kickflip skills? Come on Daniel. . . 🤕
09:30 - GoPro actually came out with that before, when Fusion was released-they call it Overcapture (via GoPro App). It's actually still available to use for GoPro MAX as well. Just click the 3 dots at the upper right portion during Reframe mode, and select Overcapture.
You can do the "Over capture" but that's not using the keyframes. I tried it a few times but ends up in a video that's not a neat as using the keyframes. However, I didn't find using the keyframes particularly slower and time-consuming in any way, it was just as efficient as using over capture or mimic.
he does not have much experience at the time of making this video with the max so he has a bit biased opinion. the max is great, especially hero mode with horizon lock.
lol his opinion is literally nonexistent even though the max looks way better on gopro mode and has better dynamic range plus he didn't even test out the flat video setting before I outing his opinion about video quality this dude is bias or hes just not ready to leg go of the One X lmao
Because he wanted to give bad review... He said... Hopefully Go Pro fixed dual SD card issue.... "Hopefully?" Really? You tested it Liar... Next he is complaining about Screen on Go Pro... Why 360 needs screen... Wow not very convincing argument... He is not giving credit for water proof camera.... Come on Go Pro will be amazing to shoot in rain... He is a complain box.
Kas Modiya or.. he just knows What he want and the Gopro Max is not it? The insta 360 scratches his itch, and seriously I agree with some of his points. The screen is useless to me, I was fine with the insta 360s. I love to do slow motion so that right there is a dealbreaker to me! And also, I don’t film when it rains and gets wet, cuz the drips on the lenses destroys the pic most of the time in my opinion. So no, better in some aspects, but not good enough.
@@ARRayWilliamJohnson yep, dude had no experience with the camera when making the video. just got one and went to get views. no real-world usage for any period of time.
I agree, I like the MAX image quality way more, lots of details, sky is blue, marks on the ground, good contrast,.. where Insta look washed out, also lots of lens flares from the sun - which you can't remove at all.
Agreed that Gopro max is definitely not this good as it promises, but the quality images and colors between Max and Insta one x is definitely better on the Max: look at 4:34 to 4:46 for example, the best sharpness, the more details on the flooring, the better colors of the sky. Don't joke. Have you seen your videos before sayin image quality is better on the insta? Seems not. Or you're just more familiar with the Insta. But still I agree with the fact that Max do not convince...
Right on Relso - whether viewing at 1080 or 2160/4K, the image quality is WAY BETTER on the Max. Ditto with audio quality. But agreed, Insta's intuitive mimic mode is great so I'd say it's a draw for those doing lots of overcapture editing (slowmo and $100 difference aren't gamechangers for me). Thanks for the thoughtful review.
Righr on point, the amount of details max captures is way more than insta. This guy is not using flat setting to do the comparison.... I don't know what is he doing
Hang Yuri Yang , Relso, do you own a Max? Just got the cam and I’m on a short vacation and shocked about the image quality: setup is 360, copies to iPad and rendered in GoPro app. The 1080 file is horrible. The sharpness works maybe for everything within 1-2m from the camera. Anything beyond is really really blurry. Envy those shots in all the videos. How do they get those crisp videos. The only difference I can think of: sunny day versus clouded day. Any ideas? Last: is there a quality difference by rendering it on an iPad vs on a desktop (FCPx)?
Model3GER Dirk Röder I am thinking to get one... we don’t have a local retailer... which kind sucks... Gopro shouldn’t make this terrible stuff... hmmm have you tested on PC?
you can even tell even with the contrast that the gopro has a better dynamic range.. the insta is blown out a lot more than the gopro when filming into the sun in the video even with the contrast
Next video: I Was Wrong About Max ...lol, sorry man. I just don't see it. Even if you completely ignore Hero mode, vlogging mode, waterproofing, durability, Pro Tune, and audio quality I still think it looks better. Slow motion in 3k 360? What's that crop to for 16:9? Sounds like Canon's 120fps 720p...wouldn't use it anyway.
OP even said "action camera", meaning not walking around like a tourist. Gopro is built to take a few knocks. The One X/X2 I very much doubt could survive one drop to tarmac. You can't even lay it on a table without scratching the lenses. Need to buy and replace the protective cover lenses every so often.
Hmmm. To me the goPro max footage looks much better. Sure it's a bit oversaturated, but any video app will fix that. The footage on the right is grainy and washed out & it is obviously being captured at a much lower bitrate.
Do another review cos u missed: -OVERCAPTURE (same as mimic mode) -DIDNT USE FLAT (even gopro color mode has more depth and richer colors then insta360 -VLOGin mode -1080p live streaming mode U can actually slow it 30fps footage to 80% in post if u use 24fps. But agreed its bad MAX dont have proper slowmotion
I like 360, but this review is wrong in so many places. 360 outputs mp4 which you then have to convert to a non compressed format to be able to work properly on them, unless you have hours working your keyframes. What better workflow are you talking about? They even rely on GoPro's plugins on Pr for crying out loud. The bitrate on Max is half, so file sizes are half, not double (78 vs 150). Google! The mimic mode thing is available on Max as well. I'm trying hard to figure out which part of this video was actually accurate.
Love your stuff man but why do the comparison without shooting in the flat mode on the GoPro? That’s like if I compared two Sony cameras, shot S-log3 on one and standard on the other then complained about color and dynamic range.
I honestly think the GoPro Max footage looks better. And the GoPro Max footage was not in a flat profile so it’s not an even comparison. Just my two cents.
Solid comparison. My primary use case for a 360 cam is skiing/snowboarding and I have found that the Insta360 ONE X does not handle the cold well at all, though the cold weather batteries helped a little. I find that with helmet and gloves on the Insta360 ONE X is hard to interact with. The buttons are unusable, the beeps too quiet, and the screen is not bright enough to handle the light on the slopes. Curiously, the previous Insta360 ONE was better in these areas, easy to find buttons, loud enough beeps, etc. Still looking for that just-right-for-skiing 360 cam!
Can you PLEASE do a video on how you organize, stitch, and work with the files from the 360 one x. I must be doing something wrong because it takes me way to long!!!!
Way more detail all the time. The 360 doesn't pick up any of it and seems soft in a small window and really soft at full screen. Would be harder to notice on its own where you wouldn't miss some of the details, but with a comparison it seems really lacking.
This person really loves the Insta 360 OneX, I love my GoProMAX. So I do not see the point of this person who is partial to one of them making these comparisons. BTW, I bought My GoProMAX for $379.
If you edit the GoPro Max on PC you can export in "CineForm" and the quality is epic on that. It's like shooting RAW on a DSLR. Can easily lift up the shadows when colour grading without ruining the quality and bring detail back into the sky when reducing the highlights. It's also better at night which wasn't tested in this video.
Hey matti, solid review. Just a note, there is that same mimic capture mode in the app, it’s called overcapture and it’s the older method GoPro had of reframing. It’s a little hidden but if you click on the properties of any clip in reframe there’s an option for “overcapture”. And yeah I agree that color profile is looking pretty crushed - there will be a lot of updates coming out in the next few weeks to address early release issues. Cheers !
Solid review?! It's clear from everyone commenting about the substance of the review and the evidence of their own eyes, rather than "Hey, you're so amazing, even when you screw up." that Matti blew it big time on this one. Kinda casts other 'reviews' in a different light. Is this the norm or an aberration? Sort out the stitching on the Max though. Several reviews show it (but *fail* to mention....) is wonky on one side with objects well beyond 5m, so not a lens spacing issue. Just messed up. As it's done in camera and we have no control: Doh!
I usually wind myself up about TH-cam Yaysayers, who seem to sell their soul and pretty much do pure brand promotion. But I gotta hand it to you. Fair points and good critique! Keep it up and keep it honest, cheers.
I am pretty sure there is the mimic type capture on the Max. Before I learned to do the Keyframes on the Max I made a video of my kid riding his bike by spinning around in my chain and following him reviewing a 360 video.
I've been using both since the Max launched (and the clunky fusion before it), and I can't recommend the Insta over the Max. While the touch screen has a learning curve, its soooo much better than the 2 button insta. Also not worrying about it dropping is a huge deal, the Insta feels like it just wants to burst. The Hero mode was definitely disappointing (for the price tag I was expecting at least 2.7k, 3.2k or 4k), but having that option is a huge deal over the Insta. I will note that I'm forever skeptical of Gopros in general and have probably never liked the footage or photos coming out of them, I just think the Max has a few edge over the Insta (especially for travel). My only major gripe with the MAX is the usbc port being inside the battery cover, so dummy power isn't really an option, and my Mac doesn't detect the Gopro's micro SD most of the time (outside lightroom). Would have loved to have seen a raw mode for the images too.
I'm sorry but the GoPro Max have so much better colors than the the insta360 (not better dynamic range, but it's still okay). And it is an action cam, so it is made to be resistant (to the water, etc.). When you look at the ground in the footage, you see that the gopro have a lot more details than the insta360. So if you want to be effective (like you, Matti), the ista360 is better (so you're right !), but if you want to have a better image, whatever the time you spend, take a clother look to the gopro max.
"It just looks better to me" All I see is that it doesn't capture as much detail, washed out. That pseudo-airbrush effect of less fidelity is _not_ an endorsement.
I will agree, that the Insta360 footage does look more naturally colored, but you also had it labeled as color corrected, right? I'm wondering if you shot the GoPro footage in the GoPro color picture profile? Definitely needs to be shot in flat if you're going to color be correcting/grading. I'm definitely noticing the bitrate difference when I pause anytime during the side-by-side between 4:15-4:45. The texture of the cement, small rocks, cracks, are all visible in the GoPro Max footage. Not so in the Insta360 footage, it's all smoothed out due to the lower bitrate and compression performed by uploading to TH-cam. Just my input from an ex-GoPro Media Editor.
not sure why you said insta360 had a better image.....it was a HUGE drop in quality compared to the GoPro Max. GoPro Max caught every detail and the Insta360 looked washed out like a game on the lowest possible settings. Also the GoPro Max is on their site for $399.99 even as I type this....ordering one now.
Very bad review. Gopro max is nr1 consumer 360 action cam. Rest is not anything for action. Waterproof, extra battery, protective glass lens. Great microphones, maby best lenses, great software. Not even lego R comes close. wish i had one.
Those audio plug ins are VERY nice. As someone investing in the new GoPro for the purpose of shooting straight out of camera, having something to finesse the audio would be awesome considering I have NO idea about anything audio 😍
What kind of battery do you need for the Insta360 ONE X and how do you replace the battery? Hope you see this and well done video • Cheers from the Detroit & Mackinac Railway 🚂
I could see the potential of these 360 cameras to capture the crowd. I remember using 3 cameras just to record a classroom activity & thought how easy it would have been if i had these. Good comparison btw.
Hi, Thanks for the helpful comparison. I'm looking for a way to film BTS of my photography adventures. I need both my hands to be free. What would you recommend ? 🤔
The Insta360 One X is dope, but as you said the workflow is the biggest downside with 360 cameras... I enjoy using it but the editing is so tedious 🤔. Didn't think the difference would be that big! Dope skateboarding by Daniel haha!
I like you guys skating using the action camera. I am a skater too. I use One R twin edition and GoPro 8 black for a rapid capture 2D vlog. GoPro are the best at the traditional wide angle action camera and the quick capture get you to Vlog at anytime when you only need a 2D video.
Hey Matty, you can already export your footage with the Gopro app with the "mimic mode". Give a look to Overcapture into the GoPro App, it's in the menu at top right (the 3 white point) when you are in the keyframe mode. 👌
I don’t see the Insta360 and the Max as either/or choices. I think they are very different cameras with very different use scenarios, so for me the only choice is “get both”. For purely 360 usage the Insta is the only way to go, but the Max is not so much a 360 camera, as it is a 2D camera that can also turn on a second lens and do some moonlighting as a 360 camera. As a vlogging/creative B-roll camera I think the Max wins precisely because of its many abilities as a 2D Hero camera. It might not have the resolution of a Hero 8, but it can do lots of things the 8 can’t do. I think its best feature is the Pano mode. There is no other camera that does a more-than 180 degree single shot panorama. There are no artefacts due to cars and people in movement, no stitching glitches, no sweeping, no post production stitching in PTgui. The whole shot done in a single instant is fantastic. I love the audio capture - dumping the camera into the middle of a bunch of musicians is 360 magic. I love the water protection. Being able to work in the rain, under a waterfall, in surf is liberating. There are plenty of things things the Insta 360 is better than the Max, but I think there are just as many times when the Max is really useful and the Insta just can’t keep up. And I love that screen. It is like when DJI put a front screen on the Action. Plenty of people said a front screen on an action camera is not needed. Maybe it is not needed in the same sense as oxygen and the start recording button, but it is useful, and the screen on the Max is the same - not like oxygen, but very useful for many people, especially for photos. I like the Insta, but I also like the Max. The only thing I don’t like is my bank balance.
I totally agree with you on this video, the endresult and the way costumers are treated is not ‘premium’ at all! What a let down!!! Good video on this subject!! Thanks.
Think you missed a few details. 1. Max is 78mpbs at H265 vs up to 120mpbs h264 on 360x. 2. Max can do 1440 @ 60fps not good but better than 1080. 3. you can use over capture to get the same mimic effect
Another problem with GoPro MAX is that the two lenses are _offset._ I have no idea why they did that. Perhaps they thought objects are far enough away from the camera that the stitching won't show, and it's true unless... you have your camera helmet-mounted and your activity involves both close and faraway objects, like paragliding: the helmet appears cut in half whenever it appears in the frame and the lines from the harness to the wing appear strangely distorted or broken.
I too have the Insta, what settings do you use on the video mode on your Insta...general recording not slow motion. Your footage looks great! Sunny days definitely help, I’m just wondering if mine are a little off. Thanks for your help!
Matt, 11:12, I think you need to reconsider the video quality of the GoPro...if you look at the video of the skateboarders on the concrete surface, there is quite a bit of detail in the GoPro image (in the concrete) and almost none in the Insta image. And if there's that big a difference in that part of the image, then it must also be, to some degree, everywhere else. Anyway something to think about.
Thanks for this video! It's a really helpful primer for folks who want to jump into 360 cameras. Also, my mom loves your beard and wishes mine looked as good as yours! Keep the videos coming!
Is it fair to compare a flat mode to a graded in camera mode? In a flat mode you're going to get better reproduction on the whites and blacks that you can grade later...? I feel like facial detail and the skaters dark clothing were where I noticed the image quality differences most.
Matti, little advice from me as a radio person, you need to add a little bit of bass to your voice sounds 😊 try graphic equalizer (10bands) and push up the 125 band. Thanks for the review!
Honest review 🤘 i am an aspiring travel vlogger from india i dont basically have any accessories for my vlogging apart from phone so I would really use it to buy me some accessories 🙂 the beginning days are tough
Well I went with the GoPro Max.. And the one thing that I totally agree with Matti about is the lack of slow motion.. This was a surprise and totally baffling to me?? I would think that it was very much possible to do it... I am hoping that it will be a software update ?? Anyone think that's possible?? Thx
mike moncrief that’s pretty disappointing! I was going to get the Max but it seems like they tried to force you to buy two cameras between the 8 and the max to get all the features
I've been using my Max for a bit over a week and the flat profile is a must. My Hero's you can use the GoPro colour if you're wanting a quick video but I found the Max, particularly in darks, lost too much detail for me to feel happy with the results.
I like the GoPro footage better but i like those vibrant blue GoPro skies. The insta is super flat and lacks contrast in my opinion. From everything you said the only reason I would consider the insta is bc of slow motion and the mimic editing feature. Better build, better audio, hero mode, and easier to operate screen makes the $100 difference worth it...... but I haven’t even laid hands on one, lol thanks for the review! I love when reviewers keep it real and don’t hype
Record the video using flat color mode in the GoPro Max. The Max is definitely better when it comes to video quality and yeah the higher bit rate is the biggest reason why. GoPro's color enhancer over saturates the video so always use flat and turn off sharpness. All that should be done post. For me if you can't already tell the Max is way better.
I love to snowboard but I'm scared I drop the insta360 on the snow as I fall from time to time... with that being said do you recommend the gopro max because is waterproof? (I fall at least once per run)
WHAT"S UP MATTI..... You're videos always get my creativity going and love starting my day with them. Keep on rocking it sir. 🤘👍💪👌🤑 Travel More! Worry Less!
Did you try filming in poor light? I have fusion and when I film on cloudy days footage looks like garbage but on sunny days it's awesome. Also what about desktop editing? In past I did have clumsy workflow into Premier, GoPro reframe, out to 1080p then edit in my regular videos. It's cumbersome for sure, but generally I'm just chopping up very short clips and reframing.
Salutes from Florida. Great Intro, Daniel shredded that skate park. And thank you for this very honest review. Ive been waiting for a comparison video with the insta360oneX And you answered all my questions. I wish insta360 releases a new 360camera with better video quality.?
Thanks for the honest review of both cams man. I am in the desicion process of buying one or the other and your opinion is more trustworthy than all the gopro fans out there. Thanks!
Fusion owner here... The flat profile on the fusion is the way to go. You can swim in the amount of dynamic range that comes out of it. GoPro's built in color profile adds way too much digital sharpening and contrast, makes it look horrible.
The GoPro looks significantly better in those side by side comparisons to me, way way way more detail, especially when you compare the ground details or like the trees on the skyline. The 360 looks super soft at full screen (1080 screen, at the highest resolution option) and that's noticeable running in the regular TH-cam window not at full screen. Been considering one of these and they seem hard to justify though overall. How much work are you needing to do on the footage from each, I'd be disappointed by that 360 footage (and my standards are low), where the GoPro seems decent.
Hi Matti, I love my insta 360 as much as my GoPro 5, apart from the 2 button system, it is so easy to use, quick question, where did you get the rubber cover for the Insta 360 please? I'm always worried about scratching the lens? regards Chris
Didnt mention that gopro max can have protective lens covers. In 360 lens are almost impossible to replace. Plus, i am pretty sure that in the future, it willaccept nd filters .
Hi, I liked your review. Great. I have 2 comments: 1.) the video you showed to my eyes looked a bit better (colour saturation, sharpness) on the GoPro Max. I've seen similar comments below. Don't you agree? 2.) how do the still 360 pictures compare? I've heard that the Insta 1x is slightly better...... could you comment? or make a video on that? Many thanks!
The GoPro Max definitely looks better, but you need to use the flat profile. That was not a very fair comparison. That being said, people should probably just wait for the Kandao QooCam 8k or Insta360 One X2
Thank you for this Matti! Really been between these two cameras since the MAX came out. You brought up a lot of good points. I was leaning towards the Insta360 either way, now I’m sold!
Hey Matti, even though the Insta360 One X is missing a Hero Mode, the App offers a similar option. It creates a field of view that looks like it was filmed on a regular wide angle camera. As far as I can tell it even desqueezes the footage a bit so it doesn't look like it's from an action cam. To enable it, select the eight squares in the aspect ratio settings before exporting. Also thank you for this review. It's good to know that GoPro yet again dropped the ball in the 360 Game 😁
In terms of sharpness, GoPro Max seems to have much better footage than the Insta360. But to be fair, it looks like raw footage on Insta360 and processed video on GoPro (due to the selected profiles I guess). Maybe you should choose similar profiles or process to the same level. But does the majority of action cameras users process/color correct/color grade their footage?
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Hi :-)
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They're asking for ID or passport numbers? That seems like a terrible idea. I'd love to win something like this, but I can't fathom putting that info into an unknown site!
@@accusonus would so love to win this prize. My birthday is Nov. 13th and I'll be doing a vlog in Cabo. Would totaly love to be able to add your audio programming since I know that it is going to be windy as hell there. Thanks for the giveaway.
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Wow!!! Daniel Schiffer is a God as skateboarding!!!! Not as good as me at kickflips but Still!!! Pretty dang good!!
Hahaha baaaaaattleeeee!
Yeah, Daniel didn't even get any blood or bone on the 360 camera. How is he going to generate the mega clicks needed with those kind of kickflip skills? Come on Daniel. . . 🤕
Naaaaa, he can't make a thumnail. :)
Let's do an elbow check and see who wins the kickflip battle 😎
Is this only me or anyone else who is hearing his voice while reading his comment.
09:30 - GoPro actually came out with that before, when Fusion was released-they call it Overcapture (via GoPro App). It's actually still available to use for GoPro MAX as well. Just click the 3 dots at the upper right portion during Reframe mode, and select Overcapture.
Your Right, I used the Fusion just recently.
This needs to be pinned because its a massive omission from the review
Scrolled to the comments to find out more about this. Thanks for flagging it!
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Thanks!
actually with max, you CAN point your phone around instead of manually putting keyframes
same with Insta...
@@christoffersjoberg1622 yeah but in the video he said you couldn't do that with the Max
You can do the "Over capture" but that's not using the keyframes. I tried it a few times but ends up in a video that's not a neat as using the keyframes. However, I didn't find using the keyframes particularly slower and time-consuming in any way, it was just as efficient as using over capture or mimic.
he does not have much experience at the time of making this video with the max so he has a bit biased opinion. the max is great, especially hero mode with horizon lock.
i was waiting for someone in the comment section correct him
Hmm but u didnt use the gopro flat profile...
Cheese on Everything yeah lolll
lol his opinion is literally nonexistent even though the max looks way better on gopro mode and has better dynamic range plus he didn't even test out the flat video setting before I outing his opinion about video quality this dude is bias or hes just not ready to leg go of the One X lmao
Right
Why didn’t you play around with protune options to see if you could get better image quality and dynamic range etc?
Because he wanted to give bad review... He said... Hopefully Go Pro fixed dual SD card issue.... "Hopefully?" Really? You tested it Liar...
Next he is complaining about Screen on Go Pro... Why 360 needs screen... Wow not very convincing argument...
He is not giving credit for water proof camera.... Come on Go Pro will be amazing to shoot in rain...
He is a complain box.
Kas Modiya or.. he just knows What he want and the Gopro Max is not it? The insta 360 scratches his itch, and seriously I agree with some of his points. The screen is useless to me, I was fine with the insta 360s. I love to do slow motion so that right there is a dealbreaker to me! And also, I don’t film when it rains and gets wet, cuz the drips on the lenses destroys the pic most of the time in my opinion.
So no, better in some aspects, but not good enough.
@@ARRayWilliamJohnson yep, dude had no experience with the camera when making the video.
just got one and went to get views. no real-world usage for any period of time.
To my eyes the Max image looks better but that’s just IMO. Good review.
I asked my 6 yo which picture was clearer and he pointed to go pro dude bumped his head
The ground detail is great for the GoPro but non existent for the Insta360
I agree, I like the MAX image quality way more, lots of details, sky is blue, marks on the ground, good contrast,.. where Insta look washed out, also lots of lens flares from the sun - which you can't remove at all.
Agreed that Gopro max is definitely not this good as it promises, but the quality images and colors between Max and Insta one x is definitely better on the Max: look at 4:34 to 4:46 for example, the best sharpness, the more details on the flooring, the better colors of the sky. Don't joke. Have you seen your videos before sayin image quality is better on the insta? Seems not. Or you're just more familiar with the Insta.
But still I agree with the fact that Max do not convince...
Right on Relso - whether viewing at 1080 or 2160/4K, the image quality is WAY BETTER on the Max. Ditto with audio quality. But agreed, Insta's intuitive mimic mode is great so I'd say it's a draw for those doing lots of overcapture editing (slowmo and $100 difference aren't gamechangers for me). Thanks for the thoughtful review.
Righr on point, the amount of details max captures is way more than insta. This guy is not using flat setting to do the comparison.... I don't know what is he doing
Hang Yuri Yang , Relso, do you own a Max? Just got the cam and I’m on a short vacation and shocked about the image quality: setup is 360, copies to iPad and rendered in GoPro app. The 1080 file is horrible. The sharpness works maybe for everything within 1-2m from the camera. Anything beyond is really really blurry.
Envy those shots in all the videos. How do they get those crisp videos. The only difference I can think of: sunny day versus clouded day. Any ideas?
Last: is there a quality difference by rendering it on an iPad vs on a desktop (FCPx)?
Model3GER Dirk Röder I am thinking to get one... we don’t have a local retailer... which kind sucks... Gopro shouldn’t make this terrible stuff... hmmm have you tested on PC?
Hang Yuri Yang not yet. I own a Mac and can’t wait to make a comparison. So far footage is a disappointment
Man! You’re comparing Gopro Color against a flat color.
As profesional, you should film flat and you will like it
Can confirm, I have one and the flat profile is great. Gopro colour modes are junk
ya then make it best in post
you can even tell even with the contrast that the gopro has a better dynamic range.. the insta is blown out a lot more than the gopro when filming into the sun in the video even with the contrast
Next video: I Was Wrong About Max ...lol, sorry man. I just don't see it. Even if you completely ignore Hero mode, vlogging mode, waterproofing, durability, Pro Tune, and audio quality I still think it looks better. Slow motion in 3k 360? What's that crop to for 16:9? Sounds like Canon's 120fps 720p...wouldn't use it anyway.
9:35 MAX has OverCapture in "reframe mode", which is like "mimic" mode. Just press more next to the save button, then you'll see it :)
Surprised you didn't even try the flat profile on the gopro - a bit disappointed.
BS clutching at straws with this bias "review"
Hello Matti. What is that electric skateboard u r using?
Onewheel pint 😊
One X is so fragile and I changed to Max in a heartbeat
phil Man exactly
So true
OP even said "action camera", meaning not walking around like a tourist. Gopro is built to take a few knocks. The One X/X2 I very much doubt could survive one drop to tarmac. You can't even lay it on a table without scratching the lenses. Need to buy and replace the protective cover lenses every so often.
Hmmm. To me the goPro max footage looks much better. Sure it's a bit oversaturated, but any video app will fix that. The footage on the right is grainy and washed out & it is obviously being captured at a much lower bitrate.
Do another review cos u missed:
-OVERCAPTURE (same as mimic mode)
-DIDNT USE FLAT (even gopro color mode has more depth and richer colors then insta360
-VLOGin mode
-1080p live streaming mode
U can actually slow it 30fps footage to 80% in post if u use 24fps. But agreed its bad MAX dont have proper slowmotion
The MAX has a flat color profile option? Cool. I'll look for that.
i phone: i phone 11...MAX
GoPro: note that down...
Haha 😂
I like 360, but this review is wrong in so many places. 360 outputs mp4 which you then have to convert to a non compressed format to be able to work properly on them, unless you have hours working your keyframes. What better workflow are you talking about? They even rely on GoPro's plugins on Pr for crying out loud. The bitrate on Max is half, so file sizes are half, not double (78 vs 150). Google! The mimic mode thing is available on Max as well. I'm trying hard to figure out which part of this video was actually accurate.
Love your stuff man but why do the comparison without shooting in the flat mode on the GoPro? That’s like if I compared two Sony cameras, shot S-log3 on one and standard on the other then complained about color and dynamic range.
Was researching 360’s cameras and pleasantly surprised your using my instrumental on your video. Shout out Musicbed!
I honestly think the GoPro Max footage looks better. And the GoPro Max footage was not in a flat profile so it’s not an even comparison. Just my two cents.
Hello congratulations on the channel. Do you know if there is any remote compatible with the gopro max? smart remote ect .. thanks
Solid comparison. My primary use case for a 360 cam is skiing/snowboarding and I have found that the Insta360 ONE X does not handle the cold well at all, though the cold weather batteries helped a little. I find that with helmet and gloves on the Insta360 ONE X is hard to interact with. The buttons are unusable, the beeps too quiet, and the screen is not bright enough to handle the light on the slopes. Curiously, the previous Insta360 ONE was better in these areas, easy to find buttons, loud enough beeps, etc. Still looking for that just-right-for-skiing 360 cam!
Can you PLEASE do a video on how you organize, stitch, and work with the files from the 360 one x. I must be doing something wrong because it takes me way to long!!!!
Is it just me or is there more detail in the gopro footage at 4:10 for example?
Yeah, looks like it. The Insta 360 looked smoother, so I guess it is a question of personal taste which one would look better.
The Gopro is way more crisp! Look at the ground😮
Way more detail all the time. The 360 doesn't pick up any of it and seems soft in a small window and really soft at full screen. Would be harder to notice on its own where you wouldn't miss some of the details, but with a comparison it seems really lacking.
This person really loves the Insta 360 OneX, I love my GoProMAX. So I do not see the point of this person who is partial to one of them making these comparisons. BTW, I bought My GoProMAX for $379.
If you edit the GoPro Max on PC you can export in "CineForm" and the quality is epic on that. It's like shooting RAW on a DSLR. Can easily lift up the shadows when colour grading without ruining the quality and bring detail back into the sky when reducing the highlights. It's also better at night which wasn't tested in this video.
Hey matti, solid review. Just a note, there is that same mimic capture mode in the app, it’s called overcapture and it’s the older method GoPro had of reframing. It’s a little hidden but if you click on the properties of any clip in reframe there’s an option for “overcapture”. And yeah I agree that color profile is looking pretty crushed - there will be a lot of updates coming out in the next few weeks to address early release issues. Cheers !
Solid review?! It's clear from everyone commenting about the substance of the review and the evidence of their own eyes, rather than "Hey, you're so amazing, even when you screw up." that Matti blew it big time on this one. Kinda casts other 'reviews' in a different light. Is this the norm or an aberration?
Sort out the stitching on the Max though. Several reviews show it (but *fail* to mention....) is wonky on one side with objects well beyond 5m, so not a lens spacing issue. Just messed up. As it's done in camera and we have no control: Doh!
BerenFishe yeah there will be updates to stitch quality as well.
I usually wind myself up about TH-cam Yaysayers, who seem to sell their soul and pretty much do pure brand promotion.
But I gotta hand it to you. Fair points and good critique! Keep it up and keep it honest, cheers.
I am pretty sure there is the mimic type capture on the Max. Before I learned to do the Keyframes on the Max I made a video of my kid riding his bike by spinning around in my chain and following him reviewing a 360 video.
I've been using both since the Max launched (and the clunky fusion before it), and I can't recommend the Insta over the Max. While the touch screen has a learning curve, its soooo much better than the 2 button insta. Also not worrying about it dropping is a huge deal, the Insta feels like it just wants to burst. The Hero mode was definitely disappointing (for the price tag I was expecting at least 2.7k, 3.2k or 4k), but having that option is a huge deal over the Insta.
I will note that I'm forever skeptical of Gopros in general and have probably never liked the footage or photos coming out of them, I just think the Max has a few edge over the Insta (especially for travel).
My only major gripe with the MAX is the usbc port being inside the battery cover, so dummy power isn't really an option, and my Mac doesn't detect the Gopro's micro SD most of the time (outside lightroom). Would have loved to have seen a raw mode for the images too.
My insta broke within 3 days of purchase lol 😂
I'm sorry but the GoPro Max have so much better colors than the the insta360 (not better dynamic range, but it's still okay). And it is an action cam, so it is made to be resistant (to the water, etc.). When you look at the ground in the footage, you see that the gopro have a lot more details than the insta360.
So if you want to be effective (like you, Matti), the ista360 is better (so you're right !), but if you want to have a better image, whatever the time you spend, take a clother look to the gopro max.
Well I just bought one, so should I feel bad about it?
"It just looks better to me"
All I see is that it doesn't capture as much detail, washed out. That pseudo-airbrush effect of less fidelity is _not_ an endorsement.
I will agree, that the Insta360 footage does look more naturally colored, but you also had it labeled as color corrected, right? I'm wondering if you shot the GoPro footage in the GoPro color picture profile? Definitely needs to be shot in flat if you're going to color be correcting/grading. I'm definitely noticing the bitrate difference when I pause anytime during the side-by-side between 4:15-4:45. The texture of the cement, small rocks, cracks, are all visible in the GoPro Max footage. Not so in the Insta360 footage, it's all smoothed out due to the lower bitrate and compression performed by uploading to TH-cam.
Just my input from an ex-GoPro Media Editor.
not sure why you said insta360 had a better image.....it was a HUGE drop in quality compared to the GoPro Max. GoPro Max caught every detail and the Insta360 looked washed out like a game on the lowest possible settings. Also the GoPro Max is on their site for $399.99 even as I type this....ordering one now.
Very bad review. Gopro max is nr1 consumer 360 action cam. Rest is not anything for action. Waterproof, extra battery, protective glass lens. Great microphones, maby best lenses, great software. Not even lego R comes close. wish i had one.
Love your videos Matti. Thanks for the insights 👌👍
What about ProTune and manual color correcting?
MAX has overcapture as well as reframe! Overcapture is the original mimic mode.
Those audio plug ins are VERY nice. As someone investing in the new GoPro for the purpose of shooting straight out of camera, having something to finesse the audio would be awesome considering I have NO idea about anything audio 😍
Heck yea 🙌🏻
What kind of battery do you need for the Insta360 ONE X and how do you replace the battery? Hope you see this and well done video • Cheers from the Detroit & Mackinac Railway 🚂
How is the quality on MAX in linear mode? On my Hero 6 it is much better than on MAX.
Drone shots in Canada now are such a rare thing haha! Nice to see some at the beginning Matti
I could see the potential of these 360 cameras to capture the crowd. I remember using 3 cameras just to record a classroom activity & thought how easy it would have been if i had these. Good comparison btw.
Hi, Thanks for the helpful comparison.
I'm looking for a way to film BTS of my photography adventures. I need both my hands to be free. What would you recommend ? 🤔
Great comparison! Very insightful and helpful. Mainly swayed towards GoPro purely for the waterproof. That would be the only reason.
The Insta360 One X is dope, but as you said the workflow is the biggest downside with 360 cameras... I enjoy using it but the editing is so tedious 🤔. Didn't think the difference would be that big!
Dope skateboarding by Daniel haha!
With $1500 cash, I'd finally be able to buy the EOS R. I've been saving but it's slow.
Oh man I hope you win!
@@mattih Me too! :) Thanks for all the tutorials and reviews. I've learned so much between you and Peter...
same !! I am saving to buy an EOS R, thanks to a few people like Matti and Potato jet who use it (despite all canon haters and a7iii fans)
@@_galterius you wont be disappointed
I like you guys skating using the action camera. I am a skater too. I use One R twin edition and GoPro 8 black for a rapid capture 2D vlog. GoPro are the best at the traditional wide angle action camera and the quick capture get you to Vlog at anytime when you only need a 2D video.
Hey Matty, you can already export your footage with the Gopro app with the "mimic mode". Give a look to Overcapture into the GoPro App, it's in the menu at top right (the 3 white point) when you are in the keyframe mode. 👌
I don’t see the Insta360 and the Max as either/or choices. I think they are very different cameras with very different use scenarios, so for me the only choice is “get both”. For purely 360 usage the Insta is the only way to go, but the Max is not so much a 360 camera, as it is a 2D camera that can also turn on a second lens and do some moonlighting as a 360 camera.
As a vlogging/creative B-roll camera I think the Max wins precisely because of its many abilities as a 2D Hero camera. It might not have the resolution of a Hero 8, but it can do lots of things the 8 can’t do. I think its best feature is the Pano mode. There is no other camera that does a more-than 180 degree single shot panorama. There are no artefacts due to cars and people in movement, no stitching glitches, no sweeping, no post production stitching in PTgui. The whole shot done in a single instant is fantastic. I love the audio capture - dumping the camera into the middle of a bunch of musicians is 360 magic. I love the water protection. Being able to work in the rain, under a waterfall, in surf is liberating. There are plenty of things things the Insta 360 is better than the Max, but I think there are just as many times when the Max is really useful and the Insta just can’t keep up.
And I love that screen. It is like when DJI put a front screen on the Action. Plenty of people said a front screen on an action camera is not needed. Maybe it is not needed in the same sense as oxygen and the start recording button, but it is useful, and the screen on the Max is the same - not like oxygen, but very useful for many people, especially for photos. I like the Insta, but I also like the Max. The only thing I don’t like is my bank balance.
I totally agree with you on this video, the endresult and the way costumers are treated is not ‘premium’ at all!
What a let down!!!
Good video on this subject!! Thanks.
Think you missed a few details. 1. Max is 78mpbs at H265 vs up to 120mpbs h264 on 360x. 2. Max can do 1440 @ 60fps not good but better than 1080. 3. you can use over capture to get the same mimic effect
Another problem with GoPro MAX is that the two lenses are _offset._ I have no idea why they did that. Perhaps they thought objects are far enough away from the camera that the stitching won't show, and it's true unless... you have your camera helmet-mounted and your activity involves both close and faraway objects, like paragliding: the helmet appears cut in half whenever it appears in the frame and the lines from the harness to the wing appear strangely distorted or broken.
I too have the Insta, what settings do you use on the video mode on your Insta...general recording not slow motion. Your footage looks great! Sunny days definitely help, I’m just wondering if mine are a little off. Thanks for your help!
So when is insta 360 one x going release a newer version? 🤔
Redd Anselmo that’s the real question.
When GoPro make a better 360 camera... until then enjoy the ( one x )
I was told that we would have news this week...but haven’t heard anything since.
Soon probably since qoocam just ate everyone’s lunch this week😎
The new version will be released on April 16 2024, it is going to be the insta360 X4
Great video.👌🏼😉 Thanks for the great advice!.👍
Matt, 11:12, I think you need to reconsider the video quality of the GoPro...if you look at the video of the skateboarders on the concrete surface, there is quite a bit of detail in the GoPro image (in the concrete) and almost none in the Insta image. And if there's that big a difference in that part of the image, then it must also be, to some degree, everywhere else. Anyway something to think about.
The GoPro max looks better what are you talking about 🥴
Way better, like out of the ballpark. Maybe he mixed up the tags for which is which.
Seriously, half of grafitti on the concrete was rendered invisible by the Insta. The total image looked cartoonish and...blank @4:36
Agree, Max has way better dynamic range and detail. Maybe we are not looking at the same footage 🤗 One X too soft for me.
GoPro looks nice because of the color but you can see more dynamic range on the insta 360 that's why it look better imo
Bro this guy. I like this guy but he's a schill
Thanks for this video! It's a really helpful primer for folks who want to jump into 360 cameras.
Also, my mom loves your beard and wishes mine looked as good as yours! Keep the videos coming!
Is it fair to compare a flat mode to a graded in camera mode? In a flat mode you're going to get better reproduction on the whites and blacks that you can grade later...? I feel like facial detail and the skaters dark clothing were where I noticed the image quality differences most.
Is that Daniel Schiffer???
100%
Could you say me this ? Which one is your choose ? I dont know ? Go pro max or insta 360 one x2
Matti, little advice from me as a radio person, you need to add a little bit of bass to your voice sounds 😊 try graphic equalizer (10bands) and push up the 125 band.
Thanks for the review!
Oh and the Insta 360 looks so much better
Honest review 🤘 i am an aspiring travel vlogger from india i dont basically have any accessories for my vlogging apart from phone so I would really use it to buy me some accessories 🙂 the beginning days are tough
Well I went with the GoPro Max.. And the one thing that I totally agree with Matti about is the lack of slow motion.. This was a surprise and totally baffling to me?? I would think that it was very much possible to do it... I am hoping that it will be a software update ?? Anyone think that's possible?? Thx
mike moncrief that’s pretty disappointing! I was going to get the Max but it seems like they tried to force you to buy two cameras between the 8 and the max to get all the features
Question can I connect a huge battery pack and record 6 to 8 hours straight with no interruptions or system blackouts/shutdowns?
Did you try the flat profile on GoPro Max and colorgrade it?
I've been using my Max for a bit over a week and the flat profile is a must. My Hero's you can use the GoPro colour if you're wanting a quick video but I found the Max, particularly in darks, lost too much detail for me to feel happy with the results.
I like the GoPro footage better but i like those vibrant blue GoPro skies. The insta is super flat and lacks contrast in my opinion. From everything you said the only reason I would consider the insta is bc of slow motion and the mimic editing feature. Better build, better audio, hero mode, and easier to operate screen makes the $100 difference worth it...... but I haven’t even laid hands on one, lol thanks for the review! I love when reviewers keep it real and don’t hype
Record the video using flat color mode in the GoPro Max. The Max is definitely better when it comes to video quality and yeah the higher bit rate is the biggest reason why. GoPro's color enhancer over saturates the video so always use flat and turn off sharpness. All that should be done post.
For me if you can't already tell the Max is way better.
Thanks Matti for the very honest and unbiased critique.
I love to snowboard but I'm scared I drop the insta360 on the snow as I fall from time to time...
with that being said do you recommend the gopro max because is waterproof? (I fall at least once per run)
WHAT"S UP MATTI..... You're videos always get my creativity going and love starting my day with them. Keep on rocking it sir. 🤘👍💪👌🤑
Travel More! Worry Less!
Can I record from front and back and switch between the two in my video, so it looks just like a normal video to upload here on TH-cam?
Did you try filming in poor light? I have fusion and when I film on cloudy days footage looks like garbage but on sunny days it's awesome. Also what about desktop editing? In past I did have clumsy workflow into Premier, GoPro reframe, out to 1080p then edit in my regular videos. It's cumbersome for sure, but generally I'm just chopping up very short clips and reframing.
Salutes from Florida. Great Intro, Daniel shredded that skate park. And thank you for this very honest review. Ive been waiting for a comparison video with the insta360oneX And you answered all my questions. I wish insta360 releases a new 360camera with better video quality.?
Thanks for the honest review of both cams man. I am in the desicion process of buying one or the other and your opinion is more trustworthy than all the gopro fans out there. Thanks!
Couldn’t be more right, the insta is SO simple and the software/app is so user friendly! Great work Matti
Poor Debbie.
I didn't even know Matti Haapoja was a serial killer
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Fusion owner here... The flat profile on the fusion is the way to go. You can swim in the amount of dynamic range that comes out of it. GoPro's built in color profile adds way too much digital sharpening and contrast, makes it look horrible.
I like your practical light! nice color
The GoPro looks significantly better in those side by side comparisons to me, way way way more detail, especially when you compare the ground details or like the trees on the skyline. The 360 looks super soft at full screen (1080 screen, at the highest resolution option) and that's noticeable running in the regular TH-cam window not at full screen. Been considering one of these and they seem hard to justify though overall.
How much work are you needing to do on the footage from each, I'd be disappointed by that 360 footage (and my standards are low), where the GoPro seems decent.
Hi Matti, I love my insta 360 as much as my GoPro 5, apart from the 2 button system, it is so easy to use, quick question, where did you get the rubber cover for the Insta 360 please? I'm always worried about scratching the lens? regards Chris
Didnt mention that gopro max can have protective lens covers. In 360 lens are almost impossible to replace. Plus, i am pretty sure that in the future, it willaccept nd filters .
Hi, I liked your review. Great. I have 2 comments: 1.) the video you showed to my eyes looked a bit better (colour saturation, sharpness) on the GoPro Max. I've seen similar comments below. Don't you agree? 2.) how do the still 360 pictures compare? I've heard that the Insta 1x is slightly better...... could you comment? or make a video on that? Many thanks!
The GoPro Max definitely looks better, but you need to use the flat profile. That was not a very fair comparison.
That being said, people should probably just wait for the Kandao QooCam 8k or Insta360 One X2
Hey Matti! Could you put out more narrative content? I’m curious to see what your style is like 😁
Thank you for this Matti! Really been between these two cameras since the MAX came out. You brought up a lot of good points. I was leaning towards the Insta360 either way, now I’m sold!
For me better audio and Hero mode Is really more important than workflow by app. I love onex but Max takes my money. THX for the comparison
Matti which camera you used to record your intro ???
I have put my insta 360 one x trough hard rain with no case and worked just fine. That was months ago, still working.
Matti, fyi Max does have the virtual camera feature that you like but it's buried in the app.
Pretty cool to see some skating. Good edit !
Spencer Fitzgerald that park looks fun!
Hey Matti, even though the Insta360 One X is missing a Hero Mode, the App offers a similar option. It creates a field of view that looks like it was filmed on a regular wide angle camera. As far as I can tell it even desqueezes the footage a bit so it doesn't look like it's from an action cam. To enable it, select the eight squares in the aspect ratio settings before exporting. Also thank you for this review. It's good to know that GoPro yet again dropped the ball in the 360 Game 😁
In terms of sharpness, GoPro Max seems to have much better footage than the Insta360. But to be fair, it looks like raw footage on Insta360 and processed video on GoPro (due to the selected profiles I guess). Maybe you should choose similar profiles or process to the same level.
But does the majority of action cameras users process/color correct/color grade their footage?
Thanks for honest review, I was gonna buy it for skiing but I guess I’ll stick with my hero 7