"Why is the vault open and all the money missing? And that armed man with a mask carrying a big bag on his back? Oh, he's gone. I'm sure it's nothing" ~Guards
"I've happen to notice there's always a guard that dosen't move in this area." "Guards are dispatched to investigate broken cameras, but sometimes the guard assigned to investigate will be in the vault area of the bank. Since that guard has no path to the camera, it causes him to go stationary, which is why sometimes there will be stationary guards in the vault area at seemingly random locations."
I've just spent 50 minutes watching someone I've never heard of play a game I've never played or had an interest in (although now I do), well done sir also I love your voice and mannerisms
did anyone else notice this heist address. Its 1500 Pen. Thats the address you find in framing frame when your stealthing and bain says: "1500 Pen, Maybe we go there for our next big score".
You genuinely seem like a very nice and funny, as well as amazing, player. Its rare to come across V-100's who are like yourself. I was laughing as much as I was gawking at how smoothly you did this. Well done!
[Meanwhile when Houston and Wolf were doing a stealthy Big bank heist...] Bain: "Dont ask me where I got that thumb." Wolf: Hey Bain, where did you get that thumb? Houston: Don't act thumb, Wolf.
Because of your awesome stealthing, this makes me wanna play this even MORE once I get my new laptop! My heatsink broke. :( unfortunately, this is the only DLC I don't have yet...
man rewatching all your stealth vids again after not playing the game myself for like 6 months is very refreshing and enjoyable hope you revisit this game from time to time on new things :D
Sometimes the guards detect you or not depending of where their heads are looking. Most of the time they just look foward, smoke a cigar and whatnot. But sometimes they (Especially the guards that don't move) tend to look around, left and right. It's good to pass next to them undetected, but it's also risky if you're trying to stay hidden. That might explain why sometimes the guards would see you on the stairs and sometimes not. Also, civies don't detect the bags. If you fail throwing them don't worry much, you can still save the situation later.
I refuse to believe they looked away from that intense staring contest. Also, since when did civs not notice bags? I'm fairly certain they've always noticed body bags and mission bags (thermal drill, etc). I dunno, maybe because of that I always assume EVERY bag they would notice
***** Pretty sure they only ever noticed body bags, mainly because, well, it's a body. Same reason why when a guard sees a body bag and trips the alarm, it isn't the same as if they saw a money bag or a painting.
***** Yeah, I used to too. Until I was playing a Bank heist and ignored the street civs, I through one, a civ literally walked right through. Then I tested it some more, and by tested, I mean throwing money bags right through him.
I played using your method. One of the money bags jumped right out of the van but the civies kept walking like it was nothing. Maybe civies notice important bags like Body bags or Drill bags. But other than that, it's fair game. Like throwing jewelry out of the Diamond Store.
Detection is based on the head, so if their foot is sticking out it doesn't matter. Bags also don't trip the laser, unless it's Framing Frame. Guards that don't move in the vault area are because you broke a camera, and the guard freezes because he has no path to the broken camera.
The stars practically aligned for me when I did this. I didn't have to go to the cubicles and hack anything, and no guards came from the elevators. Praise RNGesus.
Was waiting to see how you'd tackle this! Impressive work! The vid probably would've been another 20 - 30 minutes had you picked for the remaining loot xD my normal route is Elevator Trick, Keycard and either an extra set of body bags or the Time Lock glitch. The AC unit is a good spot for civs, I'll have to try that. I've solo stealthed this a few times myself and man, time consuming and nerve wracking! The elevator civs, guards, and managers are the only normal people who go to the Manager's area, so once they're dealt with, that area is cleared. I have also noticed Detection has been a bit wonky since the update.
If you break a cam in the entrance, a guard is assigned to go check it, however if he is in the vault part, he can't reach the cam and thus stop moving completely.
I think that the problem with the guards seeing different things while standing still is their idle animation. In my own experiences, doing Shadow Raid and observing the guards, I have noticed that if I stand in one spot behind them and to the left and they are completely still they will not see me, however eventually they will start a sort of sweeping head animation and it widens their field of view and they will see me. I'm not sure how accurate I am but I think that in one update the guards' vision was matched up with their eyes better and when they move their heads it makes their detection more random and realistic.
Question: How did you remove your mouse lag? I have this pretty awful mouse lag where all of my mouse movements in the game are delayed. Any way to fix that?
FYI: You can use keycards to get rid of the lasers (there are usually 2 in the first part of the mission(before the time lock door) 1 for the horizontal laser 1 for the vertical you insert them next to the door (the 2 thingies)
Demon4511 haha, yeah. I try to reply to people as much as I can, but as you can probably see (this video alone has 600 comments) it's hard to get to everyone, and it takes some time. I don't add people because many others add me as well, and if I add one then I feel obliged to add everyone, but I simply do not have enough room for everyone. That or enough of me to go around
At 1:16 of the video, if you hit the painting on the wall there's a small safe behind it. I found out about it yesterday and it contains a keycard. Enjoy the tip.
***** oh and dont you just laugh when you play shadow raid and the guards have like eyes behind their head but dont notice crates being open or noise....lots of noise
That picture frame has a safe in there sometimes card key inside. As long they don't see the head of civ or guards they won't get spotted. It works in your favor to. If you hide your face/head behind a lamp then they won't see you.
For getting civs in that corner, I find you can always get them over when they do that if you start walking towards the door, then run over as they start moving again.
Part of the reason you have so many idle guys in the vault area is probably because you destroyed so many cameras. Sometimes, the guards who come to check on the cameras spawn in the vault and, because they can't get to the cameras, on account of the door, they just go idle. If you avoid destroying cameras, the guards don't spawn. Also, if you had gotten the elevator trick, it would have made getting the loot out much easier.
Fletcha Conway well according to youtube it's still going to take 9 minutes to upload, then it has to process. processing a 50 minute video is going to take a while though, so I suggest coming back a bit later :D
I love the bit at 4:32, when you are hacking the computer behind the lady. xD All I can picture is two arms with blue gloves, slowly appearing under her, and typing at her keyboard, and her looking down like "The fuck?!" but hearing a voice behind her saying. "Shhh, you don't see anything, this is all just a dream." Then the hands slowly fading away, and her just still sitting there as if nothing happened. xD
Great video. I have a hard time stealthing this on normal mode, let alone Deathwish. Also, I have noticed that guards and civies insta-detect, especially when I'm carrying bags in Shadow Raid.
when u interact i see seconds remaining, not the regular circle thingy!is this hoxhud?if so, are u having crashes with your game? (i have read on steam forum that many people using it are crashing) awesome work btw u taught me how to do shadow raid :p
The security guards who stand in a single location are actually bugged. When you shoot the cameras in the first section the game will randomly pick a guard to go investigate. however it will occasionally pick guards from the second area. Since they have no means of getting passed the time lock it breaks their path finding and they remain still for the rest of the game.
I know this video is 6 years old but for anyone who just came by it like me and doesn't know anything about the game (unlike me) as long as the body or hostages head is not visible it cannot be detected the same goes with when you're still thing as long as you have like a pole or something that's hiding the person that's detecting you head and your head it would be a lot harder for them to detect you
I think how fast a guard detects you depends on where he is looking. They are not just standing there staring in the same direction the whole time. Sometimes they look a little bit to the left or right and that is why they sometimes see you and sometimes they don't.
with dead presidents aced (+30% loose item worth), that 45 second money counting machine is worth like 260k on overkill (never tried it on deathwish, but it's more), which is worth around 2 money bags, so a nice chunk of change, worth more than you gave it credit for :P (postscript: worth around two money bags without having to carry it to the escape)
very impressive Gen, i thoroughly enjoy your vids. Both informative and entertaining, always use your vids when looking up how to do certain payday heists.
"Why is the vault open and all the money missing? And that armed man with a mask carrying a big bag on his back? Oh, he's gone. I'm sure it's nothing" ~Guards
***** Modding community, WHERE ARE YOU?
+steeledminer616 x'D so accurate lol
"I'm so bored, I hate my job. Oh there's a creepy masked dude clicking on my keyboard how weird, it's probably nothing" ~ Employee
That’s why shadow raid is one of the heists I hate 🤦🏻♂️ guards actually do freak out about the vault being open
@@Godfather9814 i must be lucky. or i did it fast.
Hot damn, this is my first ever video to get over 1000 likes, thanks everyone!
how do you move civilians? i cant is it a skill?
+Andre Halvarsson cable tie them first
+TheRealmOfTheGreat on some heists like go bank or bigbank dont have titan cams (sorry for my eng)
10 thousand likes!
10 thousand likes!
Abraham Lincoln once said:
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this comment was posted over a year ago
Maybe that's why he got shot, he placed it in the wrong place
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"I've happen to notice there's always a guard that dosen't move in this area."
"Guards are dispatched to investigate broken cameras, but sometimes the guard assigned to investigate will be in the vault area of the bank. Since that guard has no path to the camera, it causes him to go stationary, which is why sometimes there will be stationary guards in the vault area at seemingly random locations."
and yes, I know im about 2 years late with this.
+Teknikal_Domain hahaha
+Teknikal_Domain oh well!
I don't get it.
Teknikal_Domain thanks
I've just spent 50 minutes watching someone I've never heard of play a game I've never played or had an interest in (although now I do), well done sir also I love your voice and mannerisms
TechTerra Watching him sense late july
I watched this video and subbed and bought this game.
365Gaming i got it free because it was free for a limited time
6 years later, and im still watching
You must be a professional player by now
did anyone else notice this heist address. Its 1500 Pen.
Thats the address you find in framing frame when your stealthing and bain says: "1500 Pen, Maybe we go there for our next big score".
Close. He says 1600 Pen, which is the White House. It’s a funny tease to the last mission (sorry if spoiled)
@@agent4517 7 years late lol
@@pineyez200 I'm 9 years late💀
2/24/15
500,000+ views.
Holy shit fellas. Cannot thank you enough
In my opinion he´s the best Payday 2 Player!
Heh gold is heavy have u played Shadow Raid artifacts are so heavy
your wecome
Gen, thanks for the stealth videos, they've sort of given me a tutorial on how to do them
How do you have the seconds on the screen how do you get that
4:30 some incredible typing skills you have there Chains.
4:30 I just imagine chains reaching from the back of the chair pushing buttons and the guy is like: Welp just a regular wednesday.
26:12
Generalmcbadass: Shit.
Chains: Shit!
Lol
GamePlays101 both like shit
"Hey what's this armed dude breathing down my back doing? Hey someone is running a hack on my pc. Well better pretend to be working" -Neil Degrass
You are one of the best youtubers that i have seen who still plays Payday 2
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"This will be placed as requested" ~ Abraham Lincoln
You genuinely seem like a very nice and funny, as well as amazing, player. Its rare to come across V-100's who are like yourself. I was laughing as much as I was gawking at how smoothly you did this. Well done!
@ Jack Rogge
I honestly don't like killing so many civilians, but there is so goddamn many of them and they don't like playing nice
***** Do you know any good builds for team stealth
ing?
Thiqz TV this is the one I went with for this video
goo.gl/9DU6N1
this is one I would normally roll with, maybe a little different
goo.gl/PgDWPi
Frayx
no one can be better than god
Wissam Radwan lol idiot
***** the build is just normal stealth build with stelth drill oc ( i think )
@ Juan Pablo
Yeah, I'm getting a LOT more comments, it's getting damn hard to get back to people
back in the day where people didn't know that their detections were in the head
[Meanwhile when Houston and Wolf were doing a stealthy Big bank heist...]
Bain: "Dont ask me where I got that thumb."
Wolf: Hey Bain, where did you get that thumb?
Houston: Don't act thumb, Wolf.
Dont act dum
Did Abraham Lincoln really say that though?
***** :O
Said what? :P
+Lucas Saraiva 00:00 "This will be placed as requested" ~ Abraham Lincoln
+Magicians Everywhere oh
You know because he placed that he cut off a line?
Good Guy Neil deGrasse Tyson. Sees you hacking, doesn't call you out.
he knows we're doing a good thing
"Look you can easily walk out" *fires at civilian* "he scared me."
Because of your awesome stealthing, this makes me wanna play this even MORE once I get my new laptop! My heatsink broke. :( unfortunately, this is the only DLC I don't have yet...
well it's been a while since you wrote this, but I'm sure you'd enjoy it if you got to play it!
At 7:28 you can hear some kid say hi mommy
I find it hilarious how towards the end that civ was like a jack in the box and you just panicked and sent him flying xD
man rewatching all your stealth vids again after not playing the game myself for like 6 months is very refreshing and enjoyable hope you revisit this game from time to time on new things :D
Sometimes the guards detect you or not depending of where their heads are looking. Most of the time they just look foward, smoke a cigar and whatnot. But sometimes they (Especially the guards that don't move) tend to look around, left and right. It's good to pass next to them undetected, but it's also risky if you're trying to stay hidden. That might explain why sometimes the guards would see you on the stairs and sometimes not.
Also, civies don't detect the bags. If you fail throwing them don't worry much, you can still save the situation later.
I refuse to believe they looked away from that intense staring contest. Also, since when did civs not notice bags? I'm fairly certain they've always noticed body bags and mission bags (thermal drill, etc). I dunno, maybe because of that I always assume EVERY bag they would notice
***** Pretty sure they only ever noticed body bags, mainly because, well, it's a body. Same reason why when a guard sees a body bag and trips the alarm, it isn't the same as if they saw a money bag or a painting.
freenintendocaprisun but see, that's the thing. Guards notice all bags SUPER fast and SUPER far away. I guess I just treated everyone like that
***** Yeah, I used to too. Until I was playing a Bank heist and ignored the street civs, I through one, a civ literally walked right through. Then I tested it some more, and by tested, I mean throwing money bags right through him.
I played using your method. One of the money bags jumped right out of the van but the civies kept walking like it was nothing. Maybe civies notice important bags like Body bags or Drill bags. But other than that, it's fair game. Like throwing jewelry out of the Diamond Store.
I feel like the "huxhud" is not as cool as the "original" circle,
I feel the circle is so much more satisfying!
I like the circles but I want hoxhud for everything else.
+David Crawford
yeah your right
If you're not already running a hud. Use wolfhud, it displays both the circles and the timers.
BerSerKerBot2000 Thx for the info will check it out.
Imanka Moon Saphire same
Big Bank Stealth: 30% Nerve wracking guard dodging and 70% Bag Moving Simulator
Detection is based on the head, so if their foot is sticking out it doesn't matter. Bags also don't trip the laser, unless it's Framing Frame.
Guards that don't move in the vault area are because you broke a camera, and the guard freezes because he has no path to the broken camera.
The stars practically aligned for me when I did this. I didn't have to go to the cubicles and hack anything, and no guards came from the elevators. Praise RNGesus.
As Abraham Lincoln said "this will be placed here"
GeneralMcBadass is the king of stealth in PayDay 2
Arthur Viana nah commanderch
Atomicshadow payday 2 videos
Ok
the secret is sprint-jump-crouching
Quinn Greenlee "Sprint-Jump-Crouching" xD called frog jumping
A frog stops then jumps. Frogs don't know how to walk. Dumbass.
u make payday never get old
it doesn't quite ever get old for me either :P
Abraham Lincoln once said; -This will be placed.
8/8
0:18 That was Gus from Breaking Bad? :))
47:11 " you can easily walk out"
Fucking guns out a civilian
Elias Kötz I laughed so hard people looked at me funny in lunch xD
at 47:10 i laughed so hard i started crying because of how he just instantly shoots him and he lifelessly flies upwards
3 concealment with a shotgun. i salute you sir.
It's pretty easy actually.
Now it is but when this was recorded it was more difficult.
+ProfessorSprinkles What shotgun is he using?
+Dee Nieto don't know the name in the game but it's a spas 12 with folded stock which increases the concealment
its not a spas 12 its the locomotive 12g with a folded stock
huh, i wonder whose hands there are typing on the keyboard alongside mine? oh well
even tho this video is 2 years old i still enjoy watching again from time to time
Was waiting to see how you'd tackle this! Impressive work! The vid probably would've been another 20 - 30 minutes had you picked for the remaining loot xD my normal route is Elevator Trick, Keycard and either an extra set of body bags or the Time Lock glitch. The AC unit is a good spot for civs, I'll have to try that. I've solo stealthed this a few times myself and man, time consuming and nerve wracking!
The elevator civs, guards, and managers are the only normal people who go to the Manager's area, so once they're dealt with, that area is cleared.
I have also noticed Detection has been a bit wonky since the update.
doing this heist solo takes a damn long time, too much bag moving :/
"look, this is not that bad, you could easily walk out." POW! Civ goes flying.
God I remember watching this in college now I have a child wtf
I'm saying this before this starts...... I swear on my gaming console that if he is able to do this I will sub.
well looks like you go yourself a sub.
"Abraham Lincoln once said: This will be placed as requested"
General McBadass freestyle rapping @ 42:07 - 42:14
are you sure you know what rapping is buddy?
Watched 2 of your videos for now, and it is awesome. Subscribed and got my popcorn! :D
hope it's buttery! :D
You have such an awesome voice
huh, thanks. my voice is normally not the thing I think people would be interested in :P
***** Ha, I mean like your voice sounds like somebody who would own a radio station.
ImNotGenerous
i love tthat avatar with the name, so true.
If you break a cam in the entrance, a guard is assigned to go check it, however if he is in the vault part, he can't reach the cam and thus stop moving completely.
"Pigeons are so scary" - GeneralMcBadass 2015
It's 2014 when he posted this >:(
Sorry...
TheGamingCat You could edit your message to make it say 2014, instead of having comments like Sebastians.
ohhhh ok thanks!
I think that the problem with the guards seeing different things while standing still is their idle animation. In my own experiences, doing Shadow Raid and observing the guards, I have noticed that if I stand in one spot behind them and to the left and they are completely still they will not see me, however eventually they will start a sort of sweeping head animation and it widens their field of view and they will see me. I'm not sure how accurate I am but I think that in one update the guards' vision was matched up with their eyes better and when they move their heads it makes their detection more random and realistic.
Question: How did you remove your mouse lag? I have this pretty awful mouse lag where all of my mouse movements in the game are delayed. Any way to fix that?
"Abraham Lincoln once said... this will be placed as requested" xD
Abraham Lincoln once said: This will be placed as requested
This is friggin' great man! Luck played a small role, but the way you handled that friggin' mess of a bank is awesome!
"You're 'bout to die son" I laughed so hard XD
You are god, i buyed Big Bank DLC with friends and we wasnt able to made it but thanks to you we made it at Death Wish Pro Job really thx.
I'm kinda new here, but man I love your videos defiantly the best place for PAYDAY 2 videos!
thanks for the kind words!
I swear, this guy could be a brain surgeon. I don't know how he could keep so calm and be so methodical in such a difficult mission.
i dont get how the guards dint see you in plain sight... oh well, its just a video game.
oops didnt sorry
FestiveBearCub Welcome to Payday 2. Have fun.
***** i might look new... but ive been playing for awhile and i still suck at it. but ts so much fun
If the head is not visible the guards will not detect the hostage so you can put it in a wall in the main area all the civs walk and guards
FYI: You can use keycards to get rid of the lasers (there are usually 2 in the first part of the mission(before the time lock door)
1 for the horizontal laser
1 for the vertical
you insert them next to the door (the 2 thingies)
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Abraham Lincoln once said: This will be placed as requested!
Just started watching your videoes! Your name doesn't lie, you are a real badass! :D
thanks!
Wanted to say that was really impressive to me, awesome run and thanks for uploading it.
GeneralMcBadass Very nice gameplay. Is this the PC version?
yes
+SteamedRevenge it doesn't work on my Atari 2600 need help ;(
+Mr. Cool Just use a Sega Genesis.
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"Abraham Lincoln once said: This will be placed as requested."
Do they not see that the vault is open? x'D
they will not, not on this heist anyway
***** 1. OMG YOU REPLIED TO ME! 2. Why you not accept me on steam :( (Henrietta - Gunslinger Girl) :P 3. Thats stupid that they dont :/
Demon4511 haha, yeah. I try to reply to people as much as I can, but as you can probably see (this video alone has 600 comments) it's hard to get to everyone, and it takes some time. I don't add people because many others add me as well, and if I add one then I feel obliged to add everyone, but I simply do not have enough room for everyone. That or enough of me to go around
***** nawwww okie :3
+Demon4511 ehhhh, Remeber CanCeled_ExistEnZ? On csgo. That's me
At 1:16 of the video, if you hit the painting on the wall there's a small safe behind it. I found out about it yesterday and it contains a keycard. Enjoy the tip.
if i could even stealth big bank normal
lord have mercy, 9 years, 9 god damn years, i feel too old
just a quick question can you max out all skill trees?
Not even close. You can't even max out one tree
***** darn and insta comment
Lott Calliber just happened to see it pop up in my email :P
***** and im still watching the video :D plus you are the only payday youtuber i watch
***** oh and dont you just laugh when you play shadow raid and the guards have like eyes behind their head but dont notice crates being open or noise....lots of noise
That picture frame has a safe in there sometimes card key inside. As long they don't see the head of civ or guards they won't get spotted. It works in your favor to. If you hide your face/head behind a lamp then they won't see you.
Do more videos is fucking awesome!, i wil buy the game becouse whant play with you
Can you please speak English?
sry
For getting civs in that corner, I find you can always get them over when they do that if you start walking towards the door, then run over as they start moving again.
1 MIL VIEWS M8
Part of the reason you have so many idle guys in the vault area is probably because you destroyed so many cameras. Sometimes, the guards who come to check on the cameras spawn in the vault and, because they can't get to the cameras, on account of the door, they just go idle. If you avoid destroying cameras, the guards don't spawn. Also, if you had gotten the elevator trick, it would have made getting the loot out much easier.
Waiting~
how do you even see this when it's not out yet? I'm amazed that some of you find this wayy before it's even done yet
*****
IS SPECIAL POWER OF MINE.
Fletcha Conway well according to youtube it's still going to take 9 minutes to upload, then it has to process. processing a 50 minute video is going to take a while though, so I suggest coming back a bit later :D
***** Thanks for letting us know man :)
took me 8 tries to get this heist! And even in the end, i got spottet, and just ran for my life with the bags xD
who else is watching this on 2016?
Dad
"In" 2016
Not
"On" 2016
And No im not watching this "in 2016
Imanka Moon Saphire triggered grammar nazi
Dad 2017 boiiiii
I love the bit at 4:32, when you are hacking the computer behind the lady. xD All I can picture is two arms with blue gloves, slowly appearing under her, and typing at her keyboard, and her looking down like "The fuck?!" but hearing a voice behind her saying. "Shhh, you don't see anything, this is all just a dream." Then the hands slowly fading away, and her just still sitting there as if nothing happened. xD
Great video. I have a hard time stealthing this on normal mode, let alone Deathwish. Also, I have noticed that guards and civies insta-detect, especially when I'm carrying bags in Shadow Raid.
they definitely detect faster with bags. just keep trying and you'll get the hang of it :)
"Don't jump off the roof, you die."
Needs more Cat Burglar aced :3
crazy how 9 yearfs later im still watching your videos
42:12 That pot plant is magical
when u interact i see seconds remaining, not the regular circle thingy!is this hoxhud?if so, are u having crashes with your game? (i have read on steam forum that many people using it are crashing) awesome work btw u taught me how to do shadow raid :p
Sprinting while VERY close to a guard will instantly alert them. Sprint Jump Crouch still works well if you keep some distance between you and guards.
yes, but I noticed the distance for it changed or something like that. You can't be quite as ballsy as you used to be able to
The security guards who stand in a single location are actually bugged. When you shoot the cameras in the first section the game will randomly pick a guard to go investigate. however it will occasionally pick guards from the second area. Since they have no means of getting passed the time lock it breaks their path finding and they remain still for the rest of the game.
I know this video is 6 years old but for anyone who just came by it like me and doesn't know anything about the game (unlike me) as long as the body or hostages head is not visible it cannot be detected the same goes with when you're still thing as long as you have like a pole or something that's hiding the person that's detecting you head and your head it would be a lot harder for them to detect you
The part with the civilian at the end killed me XD
4:28
hold e to hack chair
This is the first video i have watched from u and i loved it i subscribed and ill stay active
If you knife the picture frames in the offices there are safes behind them which have loot sometimes.
This guy could do a really good joker impression
What weapons are you using?
I think how fast a guard detects you depends on where he is looking. They are not just standing there staring in the same direction the whole time. Sometimes they look a little bit to the left or right and that is why they sometimes see you and sometimes they don't.
yeah, though with how they work it's kinda hard to tell where they're looking
Abraham lincoln once said; This will be placed where you requested.
Hey Gen, I know this may be stupid to ask. But what song were you using at the time of this? I Love the simpleness to it when everythings calm.
with dead presidents aced (+30% loose item worth), that 45 second money counting machine is worth like 260k on overkill (never tried it on deathwish, but it's more), which is worth around 2 money bags, so a nice chunk of change, worth more than you gave it credit for :P
(postscript: worth around two money bags without having to carry it to the escape)
this was after the buff though, and even so it's a really risky thing to go for
very impressive Gen, i thoroughly enjoy your vids. Both informative and entertaining, always use your vids when looking up how to do certain payday heists.