The United crew were way too close to the BA plane, always a risk of fod! The fact that the plane moved with the BAs jet blast just compounded their poor judgement!
It's called runway rage. :) You see it a thousand times a day commuting to and from work during traffic hours. That little plane with a Napolean syndrome taking its sweet ass time with a bully behind him is probably what the UA captain was thinking.
well you can see another BA hold short at runway intersection. by entering the runway first, the UA pilots be like "the runway is MINE... all planes must take off after me..." 😈
That's an interesting catch! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
@@lucaas Hi. Of course! If you want the clip in higher quality you can get it on Flight Focus’s 8th September Stream, timestamp 7:29:50. Should be fine if you keep the Flight Focus logo :)
Interesting not many comments about the poor judgement of United CA regarding this unsafe maneuver. FOD is the first problem that comes to mind, but the airplanes fuselage getting blown to the right after the departing A/C applies T/O power is not normal (or procedure). Doesn’t matter what Heathrow ATC culture is like. The UA aircrew screwed up..
Heathrow has strict minimum runway occupancy time (MROT) and lining up with others on the runway is allowed. Common sense, safety and airmanship rests with the pilots
Im not an expert but it would seem wise to stay behind the Rnwy hold line till the other AC has started thier takeoff roll and then advance onto the active and prepare the AC for takeoff once they get clearance from the twr.
It used to be only ever one plane on the runway at any time but recently I've seen this scenario twice. Those passengers on United would have felt that cabin shake from the jet blast. Seems an unnecessary and ill judged manoeuvre to me.
Operated in here hundreds of times, looks a little close but this is normal procedure in Heathrow. Once the nose wheel comes up on departing aircraft ahead you get clearance for takeoff. So need to be ready
It's not as can be seen by the fact the BA 320NEO's wake pushed the United 767 back. Heathrow ATC will always say "Line up behind the departing (airline) (aircraft type). they then need to wait until that aircraft has started it's take off roll before lining up.
@devon896 not at Heathrow, you can start to move onto the runway prior to the Preceeding aircraft departing, not sure its particularly advisable to be as close as the crew in the video are. Particularly on 27R, this is what is done
First the aircraft ahead has to at least start rolling. The only instance other people many people here are referring to is the Malaysian A350 which did the same. If it was normal we’d be seeing more of those videos
Control Tower: UA911 Are you feeling alright UA911: Just get on with your job. I got a party to attend Control Tower: Thou shall be reported for your impatientness
many so called Experts are saying its normal.but in reality its recommended to keep a safe distance when ever an aircraft is departing unless ATC has advised to enter active R/W in some specific condition. 767 got a bitch slap in return from a320 !
@@paulwessel4813 It depends on from which taxiway the plane in front entered the Runway. This case as is unusual as both planes entered the runway from the 1st taxiway.
@@elmirtheflight an excerpt from the EGLL reference pages: “There is no requirement for the subject aircraft (meaning the departing aircraft) to have commenced its takeoff roll before entering the RWY”. Like I said, this a normal procedure at Heathrow.
The clearance would have been ‘cleared to line up after the departing BA787’. I’ve seen this before, no violation but extremely poor airmanship and awareness
this is obviously not normal and shouldn't be accepted as normal because ingesting hot thrust gases so close coming in at a perpendicular axis to the UAL 76's engines could result in a compressor stall, + the possibility of runway FOD and debris being kicked up into the 76's engines and being ingested causing damage, or damage to critical other parts of the aircraft including its tires, leading edge devices, trailing edge devices, aerodynamic devices, etc etc. this is very obvious. it takes no effort to simply wait until the aircraft ahead is already rolling down the runway before pulling in RIGHT BEHIND the airliner ahead about to take off. pilots are well aware of jet blast and its risks. definitely a not smart move by the UAL crew. very surprising tbh
@@DaveP-uv1ml doesn't change the valid, merit of my point whatsoever. I assure you that UAL's chief pilot is not encouraging all their pilots to do this. This is common sense to utilize better aviating discretion here.
Heathrow has 2 runways. One used for arrivals and one for departures. It averages 650 departures a day according to their website. If they are spread evenly through the day thats 27 departures per hour, but they wont be spread evenly. They will mainly be through the day and actually clustered in busy times around early morning, noon and evening. Even with the United jet doing what it did, which was likely what it was told to do, there were 2 mins between the two jets starting their take off rolls. The video was cut between take-offs. Just look at the queue of aircraft waiting for take-off as the camera pans following the United jet. Stuff like this is how Heathrow manages to operate as many flights a day as they do. And it will stay like this all the while protestors and lawyers stop the building of a third runway at Heathrow.
@@craiggregory1175 You can see it yourself on the 8th September stream - 7:29:55 timestamp I’ve watched through thousands of hours of FF365 footage and this is the first time I’ve seen it happen
@@EastCoastFlying It usually happens when the plane ahead enters the runway from the A4 taxiway. Not from the 9K taxiway intersection like in this case
I’m not a pilot, just an average aviation enthusiast. I agree with you, i’ve read it somewhere before that in Europe especially on some busy major airports they do this type of “Line up and wait behind” which definitely saves queue time. 👍🏻
Typical in the USA too, but common sense should prevail and ya wait till the other plane stops sending T/O thrust aft. The ATC audio would’ve cleared up a lot.
no heathrow operate a continuous movement runway where the runway is always occupied. After aircraft A is on its takeoff roll (Aircraft C) will be cleared to line up and wait behind (aircraft B) who are on the runway and waiting behind aircraft A
The clearance would have being Line up behind departing British airways airbus behind. Meaning, as soon as the controller gives that clearance United is cleared to enter the runway and line up behind the BA aircraft, regardless as to whether it’s on the runway or not. Don’t make accusations and assumptions if you don’t know the regulations
@@AlexKenning-k7h You’d have thought common sense would have prevailed and at least wait until you hear the take off clearance for the one you’ve been cleared to line up behind. An aircraft being pushed backwards because of the thrust from an aircraft ahead is not normal, all sorts of damage could have been done. Act in haste and repent at leisure as they say.
Absolutely no reason for the encroachment. Even if for some reason there was no hold short request, the United PIC sh😮ould have held short and contacted departure control.At first i thought I was going to witness a tail strike .
They will, last likely, have been told to line up and wait behind that other aircraft. Maybe they expected that other aircraft to get their take off clearance a bit sooner as well, so they lined up a bit too quickly. Unlikely tea and biscuits for these guys.
I frequently see FAA procedures rightly criticized - "for example, "Number three behind United 737 on seven mile final, cleared to land" - but this procedure is pretty lame, no?
Yes. But along the length of the structure, not sideways. This is critical. The jet blast would almost certainly have created serious structural stress.
@@fredfred2363 Stress yes, but nothing serious compared to for example a touchdown at max sink rate. It might not smell very good in the UAL cabin, however.
What a complete fool! Or maybe he’s the Malaysian A350 Captain who did the same thing some time ago, now in his new job after being fired… It beggars belief, truly.
I am a LHR based A350 captain. Cleared to line up after departing aircraft is normal. I have previously flown the light blue NEO A320. The jet blast from a A320 (using flex thrust [much reduced]) isn’t too excessive for a heavy jet. The view point from the camera appears to show the aircraft very close to each other, that’s just the slant view perspective. I am happy to line up behind a depart medium (classification) jet. ✈️
I wonder if he got a taxi into position and hold instruction. Anyone bothered to check LiveATC? Even if so, pilot is pretty reckless, should have used better judgment.
What is the United Pilot thinking -crazy to tailgate a BA plane about to take off. There will be consequenses when LHR inform his head office in Chicago,
@@AnoNymous-it8vi "If it was A380 the CRJ would be ripped in half" I was ready with a "Ha! The 380's wingtip would clear the CRJ's tail". But nope: I see it's still a negative clearance, by about 5 feet. It is the same result however, regardless of the attacking aircraft: A lateral displacement of the CRJ's empennage creates a bending load + torque (shear) load, causing structural failure at the same "weak spot".
This isn't normal at all, whilst intersection departures are extremely common at Heathrow - that United was so close it got pushed backwards by the thrust of that A320.
@@dmanc85 give me one logical reason why you think this isn’t allowed. Aircraft A is cleared for takeoff then aircraft B is instructed to line up and wait. However aircraft A delays his takeoff roll. Please reference something that says this isn’t allowed. Not attacking you, just deeply interested in your logic and knowledge.
@@User007RD .......because ingesting hot thrust gasses so close coming in at a perpendicular axies to the UAL 76's engines could result in a compressor stall, + the possibility of runway FOD and debris being kicked up into the 76's engines and being ingested causing damage, or damage to critical other parts of the aircraft including its tires, leading edge devices, trailing edge devices, aerodynamic devices, etc etc. this is very obvious. u are that daft?
@@KuostA sir you did not answer my question. Is it a “potential concern” or is not procedurally allowed? If so reference me to it so we can update it. Awaiting your enlightenment
I flew for United 1986-2015 and flew this very Boeing 767 into and out of LHR. No pilot of my generation would have done something so stupid. But United has gone totally woke, so who knows the experience level of the captain today.
This is absolutely unforgivable pilot error!!! No pilot in his right mind would EVER taxi directly behind another aircraft that is getting ready to spool up his engines to takeoff thrust. Also the United first officer must have spoken up against such foolhardiness!!! Hopefully for his sake!!!
Clearly you're not an airline pilot. "Line up and wait behind......." is common in much of the world. ATC EXPECTS you to move your plane onto the runway behind the guy who is already there. So your blanket condemnation is bogus. In London you be instructed to "taxi directly behind another aircraft that is getting ready to spool up his engines to takeoff thrust". As far as the UAL FO......I think you're off base there as well. That FO might have been a new hire and the Captain might have had 30 yrs at UAL. Do you really think he's going to directly challenge his Captain that easily? It will make for a LONG ride home and my come in to play every time they are paired together in the future. Now, I happen to sort of agree with you on the spacing. The question what would be what is an appropriate space between you and the departing AC in front of you. Me? I would have waited until there was more space. The controller gives the clearance, the the guy in the left seat actually controls the parking brake and the tiller.
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Did I see that right? The thrust of the BA plane pushed the UA plane slightly backwards? 😮
Theres road rage and now runway rage with tailgating lol.
The United crew were way too close to the BA plane, always a risk of fod! The fact that the plane moved with the BAs jet blast just compounded their poor judgement!
Reminds me of that a350 that did it at LHR once
The Malaysia Airlines A350, behind a BA A319 if I remember correctly
Why would any captain who can see the aircraft directly to his left try to enter an active runway?????????
It's called runway rage. :) You see it a thousand times a day commuting to and from work during traffic hours. That little plane with a Napolean syndrome taking its sweet ass time with a bully behind him is probably what the UA captain was thinking.
Perhaps his girlfriend in Seattle was getting impatient on the phone.
well you can see another BA hold short at runway intersection. by entering the runway first, the UA pilots be like "the runway is MINE... all planes must take off after me..." 😈
Hot female Co on the right hand side 😂
Obnoxious American Pilot maybe ?
That's an interesting catch! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
@@lucaas Hi. Of course! If you want the clip in higher quality you can get it on Flight Focus’s 8th September Stream, timestamp 7:29:50. Should be fine if you keep the Flight Focus logo :)
@@elmirtheflight Awesome, thanks!
ooo l always wondered how this happened! came here from weekly dose for some more context!! love that you get permission every time lucaas 🫡
Interesting not many comments about the poor judgement of United CA regarding this unsafe maneuver. FOD is the first problem that comes to mind, but the airplanes fuselage getting blown to the right after the departing A/C applies T/O power is not normal (or procedure). Doesn’t matter what Heathrow ATC culture is like. The UA aircrew screwed up..
The 767 got a little close to the A320 but I have seen multiple aircraft line up and wait one behind the other at LHR multiple times.
Heathrow has strict minimum runway occupancy time (MROT) and lining up with others on the runway is allowed. Common sense, safety and airmanship rests with the pilots
Funny how the little guy pushes the big guy.😂
Im not an expert but it would seem wise to stay behind the Rnwy hold line till the other AC has started thier takeoff roll and then advance onto the active and prepare the AC for takeoff once they get clearance from the twr.
It used to be only ever one plane on the runway at any time but recently I've seen this scenario twice. Those passengers on United would have felt that cabin shake from the jet blast. Seems an unnecessary and ill judged manoeuvre to me.
Operated in here hundreds of times, looks a little close but this is normal procedure in Heathrow. Once the nose wheel comes up on departing aircraft ahead you get clearance for takeoff. So need to be ready
It's not as can be seen by the fact the BA 320NEO's wake pushed the United 767 back. Heathrow ATC will always say "Line up behind the departing (airline) (aircraft type). they then need to wait until that aircraft has started it's take off roll before lining up.
Absolute rubbish.
@devon896 not at Heathrow, you can start to move onto the runway prior to the Preceeding aircraft departing, not sure its particularly advisable to be as close as the crew in the video are. Particularly on 27R, this is what is done
@@rfk757 Afraid not, excellent input though
First the aircraft ahead has to at least start rolling. The only instance other people many people here are referring to is the Malaysian A350 which did the same. If it was normal we’d be seeing more of those videos
this is smthing usual @ LHR but what u will gain from all this ?! funny how the 767 pussed back from the 320 blast!!! lol
Never seen that happen before
🇲🇾malaysian A350 few months ago
@@EngelsAviation So it’s not usual
@@Morpheus-a it is ;)
In case of icing conditions, that's one way to deice a plane.
Amazing footage! May I have your permission to feature this clip in my upcoming project? I'll make sure to credit you in the video and description.
@@AviationUnscriptedUK Thanks, Of course!
@@elmirtheflight Thank you most sincerely.
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Control Tower: UA911 Are you feeling alright
UA911: Just get on with your job. I got a party to attend
Control Tower: Thou shall be reported for your impatientness
ayo that's not an ok callsign
many so called Experts are saying its normal.but in reality its recommended to keep a safe distance when ever an aircraft is departing unless ATC has advised to enter active R/W in some specific condition. 767 got a bitch slap in return from a320 !
This happened with a Malaysia Airlines 350 as well. So dangerous! Unless it’s ok? Not too sure. Doesn’t look safe though…
I think I saw him put on his blinker but the other guy wouldn't let him past.
I was just at LHR and noticed planes taking the runway as soon as the other plane was lined up, odd...
Did the A320 push the 767 back a bit? Looks like it went backwards a bit?
clearly....
Great video😊
Good ol United
Amazing 🤩 video
Flash backs of the Malaysian A350 doing the exact same thing
Maybe this is the new procedure for helping the plane ahead of you to take off.
This is normal at LHR. It’s an approved procedure used to minimize intervals between departures.
@@paulwessel4813 It depends on from which taxiway the plane in front entered the Runway. This case as is unusual as both planes entered the runway from the 1st taxiway.
@@elmirtheflight an excerpt from the EGLL reference pages:
“There is no requirement for the subject aircraft (meaning the departing aircraft) to have commenced its takeoff roll before entering the RWY”. Like I said, this a normal procedure at Heathrow.
About to start the new job at Delta!
I was on a BA A320 second in line with three in a row lined up departing 27L
Reminds me of the drivers that use ridiculously oversized pickup trucks as intimidation vehicles.
The clearance would have been ‘cleared to line up after the departing BA787’. I’ve seen this before, no violation but extremely poor airmanship and awareness
The pilot must be from New York.
Most real comment I’ve seen
I agree….
this is obviously not normal and shouldn't be accepted as normal because ingesting hot thrust gases so close coming in at a perpendicular axis to the UAL 76's engines could result in a compressor stall, + the possibility of runway FOD and debris being kicked up into the 76's engines and being ingested causing damage, or damage to critical other parts of the aircraft including its tires, leading edge devices, trailing edge devices, aerodynamic devices, etc etc. this is very obvious. it takes no effort to simply wait until the aircraft ahead is already rolling down the runway before pulling in RIGHT BEHIND the airliner ahead about to take off. pilots are well aware of jet blast and its risks. definitely a not smart move by the UAL crew. very surprising tbh
you must be fun at parties
@@bdossantos lol what, for simply making a legitimate, valid point with merit? way to personify your smooth brain lawlll
@@DaveP-uv1ml doesn't change the valid, merit of my point whatsoever. I assure you that UAL's chief pilot is not encouraging all their pilots to do this. This is common sense to utilize better aviating discretion here.
Reminds my of the time back in the 60's working on the flightdeck of HMS Heathrow, must admit the planes look bigger now 😅
he did push back? I guess it was the force of the departing engine
United pilot drives an Audi.
Seriously ? What's the story behind ? They didn't see the aligned aircraft ?
that was crazy saludos
Heathrow has 2 runways. One used for arrivals and one for departures. It averages 650 departures a day according to their website. If they are spread evenly through the day thats 27 departures per hour, but they wont be spread evenly. They will mainly be through the day and actually clustered in busy times around early morning, noon and evening. Even with the United jet doing what it did, which was likely what it was told to do, there were 2 mins between the two jets starting their take off rolls. The video was cut between take-offs. Just look at the queue of aircraft waiting for take-off as the camera pans following the United jet. Stuff like this is how Heathrow manages to operate as many flights a day as they do. And it will stay like this all the while protestors and lawyers stop the building of a third runway at Heathrow.
After the BA A320 the next plane that took off was another BA that entered from the A4 taxiway, not the United
So what United did doesn't make sense
@@craiggregory1175 You can see it yourself on the 8th September stream - 7:29:55 timestamp
I’ve watched through thousands of hours of FF365 footage and this is the first time I’ve seen it happen
Minimum runway occupancy…no harm done. I suspect he’ll slow up next time he lines up at LHR.
Is there any ATC recording of this incident?
wich incident? that’s just how LHR works
What incident?
It’s called “line up and wait behind” a very typical clearance to get in Europe
@@EastCoastFlying I’ve watched thousands of hours of FF365 and this is the first time I see this.
I'm an airline pilot for United and I only fly European trips. Trust me, its common
@@EastCoastFlying It usually happens when the plane ahead enters the runway from the A4 taxiway. Not from the 9K taxiway intersection like in this case
I’m not a pilot, just an average aviation enthusiast. I agree with you, i’ve read it somewhere before that in Europe especially on some busy major airports they do this type of “Line up and wait behind” which definitely saves queue time. 👍🏻
Typical in the USA too, but common sense should prevail and ya wait till the other plane stops sending T/O thrust aft.
The ATC audio would’ve cleared up a lot.
I guess the ATC instruction was 'hold short'? If so, the United Airlines crew was in serious violation.
no heathrow operate a continuous movement runway where the runway is always occupied. After aircraft A is on its takeoff roll (Aircraft C) will be cleared to line up and wait behind (aircraft B) who are on the runway and waiting behind aircraft A
The clearance would have being Line up behind departing British airways airbus behind. Meaning, as soon as the controller gives that clearance United is cleared to enter the runway and line up behind the BA aircraft, regardless as to whether it’s on the runway or not.
Don’t make accusations and assumptions if you don’t know the regulations
@@AlexKenning-k7has a regular operator at LHR I endorse this message
@@AlexKenning-k7h
You’d have thought common sense would have prevailed and at least wait until you hear the take off clearance for the one you’ve been cleared to line up behind.
An aircraft being pushed backwards because of the thrust from an aircraft ahead is not normal, all sorts of damage could have been done. Act in haste and repent at leisure as they say.
…very poor airmanship
Oop! Breatherlizer test, please.
At least the light blue plane still has a tail!!!
Not concerned at all about a possible FOD?😂
This has been cleverly done on a simulator game
This guy is in a hurry to get home, is this a form of road rage? 😂😂😂
That’s a new one. Runway Rage.
Haha, you can just imagine the pilots coming out of the plane and having a big punchup right in the middle of the runway 😂
@@joeking22 Could have been worse, could have roared down the runway and the Airbus did a brake check. All the best. Mick
Absolutely no reason for the encroachment. Even if for some reason there was no hold short request, the United PIC sh😮ould have held short and contacted departure control.At first i thought I was going to witness a tail strike
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Nice
Very bizarre!
I think someone is about to be placed on leave pending an investigation
It will depend whether he/she was cleared by ground.
They will, last likely, have been told to line up and wait behind that other aircraft. Maybe they expected that other aircraft to get their take off clearance a bit sooner as well, so they lined up a bit too quickly. Unlikely tea and biscuits for these guys.
Good
do u see the aircraft moving backwards cause of the jetblast, thats crazy
Tower at that point..
cheeky pilot! Intimidation won't work. Glad he had to wait, instant karma. Thanks Elmir
Someone's in a rush...
I frequently see FAA procedures rightly criticized - "for example, "Number three behind United 737 on seven mile final, cleared to land" - but this procedure is pretty lame, no?
Maybe a DEI hired pilot
As a UK PPL license holder now retired I'm totally amazed by this idiot captain !
That is a bit too close UA….
Believe it or not aircraft are use to having air pass over them at 500 mph
Yes. But along the length of the structure, not sideways. This is critical.
The jet blast would almost certainly have created serious structural stress.
@@fredfred2363 Stress yes, but nothing serious compared to for example a touchdown at max sink rate. It might not smell very good in the UAL cabin, however.
Asking for FOD sandwich 😂
lol United caution jetblast from the Heavy A320 line up and wait
Same shit with Malaysian Airlines A350 some time ago
Caution wake turbulence
What a complete fool! Or maybe he’s the Malaysian A350 Captain who did the same thing some time ago, now in his new job after being fired…
It beggars belief, truly.
I am a LHR based A350 captain. Cleared to line up after departing aircraft is normal. I have previously flown the light blue NEO A320. The jet blast from a A320 (using flex thrust [much reduced]) isn’t too excessive for a heavy jet. The view point from the camera appears to show the aircraft very close to each other, that’s just the slant view perspective. I am happy to line up behind a depart medium (classification) jet. ✈️
Are you honesty trying to say this was ok??
It looks the UAL 777 was moved a little by the jet wash from the A320 taking off.
@@rsambrook There is no risk of FOD?
@@hanginglights7874 UA was a 767
Impatient Pilot 2 😂
I wonder if he got a taxi into position and hold instruction. Anyone bothered to check LiveATC? Even if so, pilot is pretty reckless, should have used better judgment.
Hope the United didnt get tossed like a leaf in the wake turbulence of the departing airliner.
United airlines wanted to get home 🤣🤣
If he got clearance fir that i will eat my hat 😅
Not at all obvious to United crew ?????
Grounded.
Infinite flight casual server 😅
What is Speedbird waiting for? I am sure he was cleared for T-O.
united, why am I not surprised
What?
Get home-itis????
Pilot deviation
This is hilarious sorry!
What is the United Pilot thinking -crazy to tailgate a BA plane about to take off. There will be consequenses when LHR inform his head office in Chicago,
Endangered his passengers and aircraft. Should be grounded to baggage.
Yanks always in a rush.
That's rich, considering "line up and wait behind" is an ATC procedure that's used in UK and NOT used in the US.
Probably DEI…….
United Airlines
What is going on with these pilots??? An a380 clipped the tail off a CRJ the other day in Atlanta
350
If it was A380 the CRJ would be ripped in half
@@AnoNymous-it8vi "If it was A380 the CRJ would be ripped in half" I was ready with a "Ha! The 380's wingtip would clear the CRJ's tail". But nope: I see it's still a negative clearance, by about 5 feet.
It is the same result however, regardless of the attacking aircraft: A lateral displacement of the CRJ's empennage creates a bending load + torque (shear) load, causing structural failure at the same "weak spot".
@@marcmcreynolds2827 that’s right
There’s a video of an A380 hitting a CRJ in JFK. Tail stayed on. CRJ changed heading almost 90 degrees.
Gonna be given a phone number for a possible pilot deviation 😂
Nowt like a runway incursion!!! severe bollocking for the united crew for sure !
They are just as badly behaved in America too. 👍👍
Not a wise decision.
That jet blast would have certainly put excessive and dangerous stress on the United's structure.
It actually pushed the whole aircraft around.
(landing gear engineer) Not much stress compared to what the structure is designed to. Think about a nose-first crosswind touchdown, for example.
United was a slow take off
That's unprofessional
Totally reckless from both sides, ATC and PILOT.
Poor show, that. He ran out of inertia, to the point where he stopped. Then got pushed backwards by the 320 at takeoff thrust. . . . and for what??
WHAT
Normal procedure at lhr
This isn't normal at all, whilst intersection departures are extremely common at Heathrow - that United was so close it got pushed backwards by the thrust of that A320.
@@dmanc85 give me one logical reason why you think this isn’t allowed. Aircraft A is cleared for takeoff then aircraft B is instructed to line up and wait. However aircraft A delays his takeoff roll. Please reference something that says this isn’t allowed. Not attacking you, just deeply interested in your logic and knowledge.
@@User007RD .......because ingesting hot thrust gasses so close coming in at a perpendicular axies to the UAL 76's engines could result in a compressor stall, + the possibility of runway FOD and debris being kicked up into the 76's engines and being ingested causing damage, or damage to critical other parts of the aircraft including its tires, leading edge devices, trailing edge devices, aerodynamic devices, etc etc. this is very obvious. u are that daft?
@@KuostA sir you did not answer my question. Is it a “potential concern” or is not procedurally allowed? If so reference me to it so we can update it. Awaiting your enlightenment
@@User007RD you asked for a logical reason. This was clearly a logical reason.
I flew for United 1986-2015 and flew this very Boeing 767 into and out of LHR. No pilot of my generation would have done something so stupid. But United has gone totally woke, so who knows the experience level of the captain today.
I can tell Americans, United, rather, are getting irritated by the slow Brits...
@@tokyodo555 Heathrow is the busiest in Europe and only has two runways. They’re not really slow
This is absolutely unforgivable pilot error!!! No pilot in his right mind would EVER taxi directly behind another aircraft that is getting ready to spool up his engines to takeoff thrust. Also the United first officer must have spoken up against such foolhardiness!!! Hopefully for his sake!!!
Clearly you're not an airline pilot. "Line up and wait behind......." is common in much of the world. ATC EXPECTS you to move your plane onto the runway behind the guy who is already there. So your blanket condemnation is bogus. In London you be instructed to "taxi directly behind another aircraft that is getting ready to spool up his engines to takeoff thrust". As far as the UAL FO......I think you're off base there as well. That FO might have been a new hire and the Captain might have had 30 yrs at UAL. Do you really think he's going to directly challenge his Captain that easily? It will make for a LONG ride home and my come in to play every time they are paired together in the future. Now, I happen to sort of agree with you on the spacing. The question what would be what is an appropriate space between you and the departing AC in front of you. Me? I would have waited until there was more space. The controller gives the clearance, the the guy in the left seat actually controls the parking brake and the tiller.
I’m a 777 captain that flies into LHR all the time. This is a standard procedure for Heathrow. What airline do you fly for?
Typical Americans