MH wilds beta, dragon DogshXt must be in this top 10 coz graphics of these masterpieces are so last of the last gen, and they requires today's Ultra high end hardwares to play like a crap.
@MaskRobloxOfficial Especially, stalker 2 that is the first big open world UE5 title, so it's reasonable to be really demanding on both GPU and CPU, hard for developers to optimize.
The truth has to be told, after the launch of these upscaling technologies, it is difficult to see a game being optimized to run at native resolutions, it also happens with the frame generator, which was supposed to be used optionally, it is being used as a tool to run games because developers are too lazy to optimize their games.
exactly, now they activate fsr or dlss by default in most games, and that only shows the lack of care that they put into the optimization. This upscaling technologies are making a huge damage on the development of games. hope that they stop relying on this, because it's a pretty good tech specially for older gpus.
Exactly! DLSS and FG are actually horrible because it’s exactly like you said: developers now officially have absolutely zero motivation to optimize games natively. Really don’t like where this is going. Only games that are actually being optimized natively seem to be competitive fps games. All the rest is garbage. A freaking 4090 should be able to run 4k max at 100fps.
Fr, DLSS was supposed to be a tool to prolong gpu lifespans and add versatility to performance options. Instead, devs are just abusing it for an optimization crutch. God forbid you can get decent performance native in any game made now
@@matilsao115 You would get TAA instead if it wasn't DLSS, and that is almost always worse than DLSS quality. Anyhow for max settings forget native, games are now using that umf of graphics power to get to ultra settings with upscaling and possibly frame gen. And that is a correct thing to do. What is wrong is using it to be able to even run at lower resolutions and lower settings. If you want max res and max settings you need to use it, not just to be able to play the game at all.
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Worst optimized? Nah, this game doesn't have ANY optimization at all
I dont know about that, look at kingdom come deliverance 1. I can just about play it maxed out 1440p 60fps on a 4080 super and its a 6 year old game lol
What's funny is they removed nvidia frame gen and fsr( had to be enabled in the console) and put in AMD frame gen. If you have an nvidia card you have DLSS but no nvidia frame gen and if you have an AMD card you have AMD frame gen but no FSR.
Minimum graphics card requirements for the next sequel (assuming one even comes out) will be an RTX 5090, so make sure to spend $2000+ or more for a dinosaur hunting simulator
And will give you a 15 fps experience without FG (And its of course forced into the game, why change that thing) so 35 fps is to be expected from the 5090
If monstar hunter was in the same genre it'll be forced as well. THis is like comparing fortnite to minecraft, completely different genres. Name a single survival game like ark with these types of graphics on UE5 and has the same amount of creatures spawning at once.
I thought in at least 6 years after the release of a 4090 it wouldn't even be put in the recommended requirements for games since its sooo powerful, now its looking like it will be put in minimum requirements next year
Yeah nah, you had some serious wishful thinking there like so many other hype enthusiasts. Hype is mostly 80% bullshite. The 4090 barely lasted 2 years bro.
That's because the 4090 is like having 1070 back in the day because nvidia isn't increasing performance and just lets AI solves it's issues. Engines and games are becoming more demanding but gpu companies don't care they can increase performance by 10% and they know people will buy. They upgrade cards every 2 years they don't want to make a card like the 1080 that last years
I just remembered that these developers released a pirate game called Atlas that was just ARK DLC reskinned to look like a new game. You could open an ARK menu if you used a controller. The trailer was also filled with fake gameplay. So them forcing FG doesn't surprise me. Also, this makes me heavily doubt ARK 2 being good or looking anywhere close to how the trailers depict it.
the amount of stuff snail games push on wildcard is disturbing i been playing ASE for almost 4 years just quitting before they announce ASA being new game instead of upgrade ... there is more stuff than people are aware of that is happening with that company also one of the reason i left the game and everyone i knew just to be safe
come on my guy, Ark as a concept is AWESOME, i cant imagine not having a dinosaur game to this scale. and like it or not Ark not succseeding is doing MAJOR damage to the "Stuck in the Mesozoic era" type of games. i can't believe things turned out this way
@@keashaneverts4452its sad they own the concept if any better company could make a copy of ark wildcard would shut down there lucky they cant be replaced because their so shit
ever since they removed Nvidia's Frame gen and replaced it with FSR's frame gen its unplayable as for some very odd reason they f**** force FG without being able to disable it via the settings. You need to use console commands to disable it. Like why? That's literally not how you are supposed to use Frame gen in general. Ever since that i just can't play it, its unplayable. It stutters all over the place, get lower frame rate than Nvidia's solution and VRR just doesn't work at all meaning there is screen tearing everywhere.
The best is trying to fly around on a fast moving tame (dreadstallion for example) diving like a gryphon the stutters are HELLA BAD and I always hold my breath when it freezes when trying to pull out of a dive because 80% of the time it means it's crashed.
not really, the devs are jst lazy. i use UE5 myself and you CAN really optimize games. look al valorant for example, that game can run on a potato. its just very easy to make amazing looking games but they really need optimization
@@thefeaj I can download UE5 also and say I use it myself. For a full all out game it's a terrible engine. There is a video on youtube just done by an engineer saying why it's terrible with evidence. It's actually worse than most know
So to confirm, since there seems to be a bit of misinformation here, the frame generation SEEMS forced because it's not the full feature yet, the feature is not complete (more below) WC stated that they're in the process of swapping from Nvidia Frame Gen to FSR frame gen. Previously Nvidia Frame Generation was available and fully supported, but they opted to move to FSR because FSR can be used on any device. They've stated Nvidia Frame Gen will return once FSR has been fully implemented. - FSR was only PARTIALLY implemented and is not fully complete, and when this was changed (at Aberration's launch in september) they stated the reason the feature isn't listed is because it was decoupled from the FSR 3.1 Upscaler, as that still needed some work. As of December 2024, we don't have more info other than "Early 2025", but the option to enable/disable FSR frame gen will come back once the feature is fully complete again. - This will likely be Q1 of 2025, as most of the optimizations are scheduled for that. Lack of general optimization info: - WC is also working on updating the game to UE 5.4, which was supposed to come out in September with aberration, then got delayed to Oct 15th-Nov15th as a time window. This was later further delayed to ensure Extinction is released before the end of the year. - UE 5.4 is now the priority after extinction and will be the focus after the holiday break once Extinction releases. As UE 5.4 on its own brings a lot of optimization tools, once that and FSR is fully implemented, things SHOULD (keyword should because WC seems notorious on somehow making things worse lol) be better. - Nvidia frame gen support will then return once UE 5.4 and FSR 3.1 are fully in. - Additionally once UE 5.4 and FSR 3.1 are fully implemented this should bring the recommend/minimum spec requirements down as well. Additional Note: - WC also mentioned they're working on a "low spec"/"performance" mode for the game as a launch option set to be released in 2025 for lower end models.
Next they will force enable dlss upscaler based on resolution by default instaed of optimizing the game. I am really worried about upcoming pc games considering i upgraded my rig recently
i'm not worried .. i jsut got a 4080 super and a ryzen 7800x3d build .. if sopem new gaes make it look like dog shit .. i jsut won't play them . if it gets to the point every game does that .. well i got other hobbies out side of gaming or i can jsut stick to older games.
Apparently, Valorant is also going to be updated to UE5, so can't wait to see how my low end pc is going to run that game. Probably going to go from 120 FPS to 30 FPS.. can't wait!
Its the other way around. UE5 games should run even better because of all the features they have to allow making games easier and better. The developers use those features for shortcuts and to be lazy while still getting good graphics. Dont blame UE5, blame developers. Theres UE5 games that run very well
This is insane. Most of the time, at least on your phone you can't really make out how much tearing occurs on TH-cam if a game is badly optimized. But this i could make out every single time. Wowza
The actual gameplay and content is really cool. Thousands of hours worth of content. Fun story as well. Too bad that is all hindered by some heinous fps performance
Yeah the actual gameplay is really fun and there’s loads to do, it’s really unfortunate wild card doesn’t give much of a damn about optimization. It was the same with ark survival evolved but with ascended they really didn’t even bother to make it playable. I use a 3070 ti with a ryzen 9 5900x and I play at like high to medium graphics to get a suttery 40 frames. But I’m just absolutely addicted to it 😭
i know its your opinion and all but you just completely neglected the games gameplay and story just because of performance. i know it performs like crap but even me on a 4060 run this at 1440p medium settings around 50-60 fps and still manage to overlook it with the super addicting and unique gameplay that make this game what it is. If you played its predecessor Ark Survival Evolved you'd know why people love this game and even with its horrible performance they still cant stop playing it.
@@cyathoris7530how is the story fun. You have to beat 1 boss to hear a 1 minute clip or find the books which also suck. There is no real enemies to fight. No missions to complete. You just fight dino, build base, tame dino, beat boss game is done.
It sucks since Ark is a game I really enjoy but I literally can't run this dogshit game even with a RTX 4080 and 7800x3d. This game needs serious fixes
"Guys Unreal Engine 5 is the future! It's gonna make games that look photoreal and run great! Just wait until they iron out some kinks in the next version!"
UE5 is not the culprit here .. quite a few new games are on UE5 and have ZERO issues two i know of off hand are mechwarrior 5 Clans , and Robocop. this with Ark ,is just developer incompetance , which this studio has a history of.
@@DenverStarkey Zero issues* within the trend of UE5 games pretty universally performing nor as good as they should for the visuals. Games from just some years ago, even some using ray tracing, on modern relevant mid range hardware can run and look better than similar UE5 games at their bare minimum or 'optimizrd' settings.
it does look absolutely gorgeous tho, 4 years ago we could only dream of such graphics too bad the performance is terrible, devs pls give us the option to disable framegen wtf -.-
THANK YOU so very much. I was loosing my mind trying to play last weekend (after having taken several months off playing the game) and I noticed the studders WAY worse now. I tried messing with the settings but it still happens even with my 4070 on the medium settings. It also crashes constantly for me after ANY update, resulting in my having to delete and reinstall all the mods we use. Absolutely terrible dev team, at this point I don't think I'll be returning to Ark.
Thank you for pointing out one of the many problems Ark Survival Ascend has. ASA is one of the worst survival games on the market because they simply don't care about their community and want money. It would not even surprise me if instead of fixing these issues the easy way they will make you pay for something to fix but it only fixes it for their game.
That's how the OG Ark was too back in the day. I even wrote a steam review on it. Went something like this "Not even a PC built by Jesus Christ himself can maintain a smooth 60 fps :("
I swear ASA is running UE 5.1. Not 5.2. And that why is runs so horrible. Thus why devs are trying upgrade to UE 5.4 with FSR 3x. They want quickly hide the fact how bad they ported ASE (UE 4.5 from 2015) to lazy ported into UE 5.1. I’ve seen indie devs do better job of upgrading there game, Cus I was with small indie dev team, as ex beta tester, small server admin and ex moderator (tech help guy). The dev team I was with upgrade to UE 4.26 before I step down, due to health reason. Meanwhile it’s been almost year and wildcard still hasn’t upgrade to UE 5.4 with FSR lol. This why ASA runs horrible IMO. They lied to ark community and Asa is running UE 5.1. I don’t have proof, but it’s my theory why even on high end cpu and 4090 it runs horrible. Is wildcard so lazy they can’t call epic for help? Yes LOL
Amazing video as always, you should check out how Ark Survival Evolded works, it's the old version and it had the same optimization errors as now. Good video and thanks for the content
Every new card that comes out is only 10% BETTER. It's just modifications on the previous card variant, not a brand new gpu. To create the most powerful gpu in our era, they have to go to a rendering engine, like Unreal Engine. And turn everything up to max, then try to create a gpu that can handle that amount of stress.
The developers are releasing a major update on Dec 19th (unless they delay it again) with the Extinction map in which they claim they will "resolve issues affecting gameplay stability" and "enhance performance across all platforms". I really hope they add more options in the settings menu because currently this game is only playable with console commands. For the past month that I've been trying to play this horrible mess, I have experimented with what seems like every possible console command and setting to get a stable decent looking 60fps at 1080p on my 6700 XT which I have mostly achieved but the stuttering and latency issues really just make me not want to play. I pray to god they get they've gotten their shit together because Extinction was my favourite map from ASE and I wanna have a good experience playing it again.
Don't hold your breath.. They have claimed with each and every map patch to improve stability and performance and with each and every one it has gotten worse. I HATE the island, the center I cannot play without getting in crash loops in certain areas. Scorched Earth is shit and so unoptimized if I look up I am lucky to get 20 frames. I won't even bother touching Aberation and you expect it all to be fixed with Extinction? fat chance.
When playing games at 4k maximum graphics settings, do you pay more attention to the graphics than the game? If such a thing happens, what is the maximum resolution and maximum graphics settings and maximum monitor inch size so that the graphics do not get more attention than the game? when Playing games, Easy to focus on the game with maximum Resolution and maximum Graphics Quality with The best gaming experience can be obtained from PC or console?
Im playing the Quarry lately and that game is such a good proof of just how much we are getting BS-ed by game devs with UE5 and all the graphics and lack of optimizations. The game looks mind-meltingly real at many moments and yet 0 FPS drops at high settings and barely 4.5GB of VRAM usage too
Keep in mind this is without having a base with mounts and all the crafting tables. Don't even attempt online play were you have to load a huge and crazy amount of bases with insane amount of mounts
my solution to ark's horrible performance, keep in mind I play on 1080 144hz on rx 6800 xt r5 5600x, I left everything on high, no optimization commands, removed the fsr frame gen, lock fps at 35, run lossless scaling with x3 frame gen, game looks great now, runs smooth, a bit of artifacting but I can deal with it.
There has been ZERO effort towards optimizing the game. (Only forced frame gen, which is terrible) They only care about releasing more paid content. I wish they would fix their game first. They plan on Unreal fixing it for them. Supposedly their will be an engine upgrade sometime in 2026 but again its unreal's job to fix the game in thier eyes.
They removed frame generation option months ago due to compatibility issues. UE5 gets a huge optimization update here soon. It’s supposed to reduce system requirements and make the game smoother and better.
The weird thing is, with my RX 7900 XTX, it runs WAYYY better at 1440p and 4K in this game, and btw, you can deactivate FG with a command. I love these ARK benchmarks.
You can command line "statshowfps", I think that's it, Id have to see my command lines to know for sure, and see that FG is indeed running by default. It shows it as running while playing and not enabled in the menu.
Wow, the optimization is so bad that I’m pretty sure these devs are either high school dropouts, or were the worst calculus students know to this planet.
The fact that ASE has twice as many active players says enough considering the features of ASA are actually great. I don't mind the game being demanding, but the flickering lights, shadows, grass, crashes and fuzzy/blury dinos outside very close range just makes it look like shit. If they fixed that, and granted players (without the R.dynamicglobalilluminationmethod command) to disable lumen, the game would perform just fine. This should never have been a new game. If they worked on ASE instead of releasing this garbage, they'd probably get a higher population and eventually more money too.
4070 super here. In a new, local abe map I can get 80 fps easily in any zone (with the crap frametime ofc). Then I go to my official pve server base and the fps drops under 40 up to a point that I have to use this command to play without constant slutterning and severe frame drops: r.Tonemapper.Sharpen 2|r.VolumetricCloud 0| r.Fog 0| r.shadowQuality 0| r.Shadow.Virtual.Enable 0| grass.sizescale 0|r.DynamicGlobalIlluminationMethod 2| r.SkylightIntensityMultiplier 10| r.Nanite.MaxPixelsPerEdge 4| r.Water.SingleLayer.Reflection 0| r.LightShaftQuality 0| r.ScreenPercentage 100
@whitehack2474 i play Fine with a 4060ti locked at 1080p 60fps with almost evertything on epic and dlss at quality. My main issue it's the stuttering acessing new map chuncks or heavly iluminated areas that happens even on the lowest graphic quality.
I remember seeing your video when the RTX 4090 came out and I was blown away by 4k 120fps on it, the fact that that game can look as good as it did and have that sort of performance shows you how badly unoptimized these games are
Releasing game like this shoult be ilegal... crime and should be punished. Lets remember almost 80% gamers using 3060 rtx or 4060. And this game is not for free... it price is high
As an Ark player, im not surprised. Wildcard is probably a team who dont know how to optimice a game. At the start, ASE was like this but with the new gen PC an consoles wasnt a big deal the previous game and decide making a remaster only for strugling the PCs and consoles.
At this point he should make a top 10 list of badly optimized games.
MH wilds beta, dragon DogshXt must be in this top 10 coz graphics of these masterpieces are so last of the last gen, and they requires today's Ultra high end hardwares to play like a crap.
what's funny is it would be ENTIRELY EU5 games
@MaskRobloxOfficial Nah, some of those UE5 games actually look really great, like stalker 2, slient hill 2, BMW...
@@thepaintbrushonlymodeller9858 stalker 2 looks good but is horribly optimised
@MaskRobloxOfficial Especially, stalker 2 that is the first big open world UE5 title, so it's reasonable to be really demanding on both GPU and CPU, hard for developers to optimize.
Forced FG is such a desperate move
shows how shit the game is lol
show's how shit the engine is....and also the optimization efforts
warzone did this too, and no one is talking about it.
@@Examosths they just didn't tho
@@Examosthswhen did warzone do that?
Ark Performance Descended lmao. Also why I am watching this? I am never in my life going to buy an RTX 4090
Cause you want to laugh a bit seeing the horrible optimization of this game
cuz its fun
ARK Performance Descendent. 🤷🏻♀️🥴
Maybe after a decade when it's like 20$
@@Adithprakash-yx1hu was about to say that 🤣🤣
Forced Frame Generation is CRAZY
Especially with broken frame gen lol
I honestly would prefer a forced frame gen (that works properly), than a forced Ray tracing like some newer games
@@vitorgueler4253 lmao, you are so dumb.
@vitorgueler4253 how about we just don't force anything? If I wanted my settings to be forced I'd buy a console...
@dagamerturtle that works too, but apparently something has to be forced nowadays, and it's a shame...
The truth has to be told, after the launch of these upscaling technologies, it is difficult to see a game being optimized to run at native resolutions, it also happens with the frame generator, which was supposed to be used optionally, it is being used as a tool to run games because developers are too lazy to optimize their games.
exactly, now they activate fsr or dlss by default in most games, and that only shows the lack of care that they put into the optimization. This upscaling technologies are making a huge damage on the development of games. hope that they stop relying on this, because it's a pretty good tech specially for older gpus.
Exactly! DLSS and FG are actually horrible because it’s exactly like you said: developers now officially have absolutely zero motivation to optimize games natively. Really don’t like where this is going. Only games that are actually being optimized natively seem to be competitive fps games. All the rest is garbage. A freaking 4090 should be able to run 4k max at 100fps.
Fr, DLSS was supposed to be a tool to prolong gpu lifespans and add versatility to performance options. Instead, devs are just abusing it for an optimization crutch. God forbid you can get decent performance native in any game made now
@@eriknorman1690 dlss was meant to make 4k feasible. It got really good though, to the point that it's sometimes useable even for 1080p.
@@matilsao115 You would get TAA instead if it wasn't DLSS, and that is almost always worse than DLSS quality. Anyhow for max settings forget native, games are now using that umf of graphics power to get to ultra settings with upscaling and possibly frame gen.
And that is a correct thing to do. What is wrong is using it to be able to even run at lower resolutions and lower settings.
If you want max res and max settings you need to use it, not just to be able to play the game at all.
Worst optimized? Nah, this game doesn't have ANY optimization at all
Cannot wait for the RTX 10090 for a chance to have some crisp, stable 60fps at 4k
Especially without DLSS/FG.
If it remains like it is now I’m skeptical that any amount of horse powers would do the trick. It looks like the game is just borked.
it will cost $15k and consume 3000w of power
To bad there ll be ark 2 that the 10090 can't run
I dont know about that, look at kingdom come deliverance 1. I can just about play it maxed out 1440p 60fps on a 4080 super and its a 6 year old game lol
What's funny is they removed nvidia frame gen and fsr( had to be enabled in the console) and put in AMD frame gen. If you have an nvidia card you have DLSS but no nvidia frame gen and if you have an AMD card you have AMD frame gen but no FSR.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 wtffff
At least NVIDIA can use DLSS to upscale, AMD and Intel GPUs can’t even upscale and are force to straight up lower the display resolution.
@@Javier64691Such an ass move at this point it's straight up discrimination against people who don't use Nvidia
@@Javier64691At this point it is straight up discrimination for people who don't use Nvidia
wtf are they stupid lol😂
Forced frame-gen without even acknowledging it's being used seems almost like a legal issue.
Minimum graphics card requirements for the next sequel (assuming one even comes out) will be an RTX 5090, so make sure to spend $2000+ or more for a dinosaur hunting simulator
I don't get it. The game was perfect as it was. It was more accessible to more variety of gaming systems.
Such a bad move on their part honestly 🤦♂️
And will give you a 15 fps experience without FG (And its of course forced into the game, why change that thing) so 35 fps is to be expected from the 5090
12GB VRAM usage!? Not even Indiana Jones used that much, if I remember correct
@@waleedrasool they ran out of money
modern gaming brainrot is insane, you dont need max settings on everything
Another UE5 masterpiece?
Masterpiece of a global scale
as most optimized ue5 titles
UE5 best engine out there, all games please move to it
If you've played their games before, you would know that it's not just Unreal Engine, it's just incompetence.
They're a horrible dev team.
@@ryanhannagan4856 So is a bad combination.
Monster Hunter: You need FG for 60 fps experience.
ARK: You need? No, we forced it instead. 🤷🏻♀️🥴
If monstar hunter was in the same genre it'll be forced as well. THis is like comparing fortnite to minecraft, completely different genres. Name a single survival game like ark with these types of graphics on UE5 and has the same amount of creatures spawning at once.
I thought in at least 6 years after the release of a 4090 it wouldn't even be put in the recommended requirements for games since its sooo powerful, now its looking like it will be put in minimum requirements next year
Yeah nah, you had some serious wishful thinking there like so many other hype enthusiasts. Hype is mostly 80% bullshite. The 4090 barely lasted 2 years bro.
That's because the 4090 is like having 1070 back in the day because nvidia isn't increasing performance and just lets AI solves it's issues. Engines and games are becoming more demanding but gpu companies don't care they can increase performance by 10% and they know people will buy. They upgrade cards every 2 years they don't want to make a card like the 1080 that last years
ARK: Stutter Ascended
2000+ $ gpu ,400 w power usage
Switching to indie was the best gaming decision i made last year
I'm pretty sure ARK is indie. Well, it was.
This isnt a AAA its a indie
ark is an indie lol
@@Alecup06
It's definitely not Indie. It's more AA
@@juanme555
It's definitely not Indie. It's more AA
A frametime of 0,5 ms would give you 2000 fps. Something is very wrong. A frametime of 16,6666 ms gives you 60 fps.
Yeah 😅
The foreshadowing throughout the video leading to the discovery of the forced FG is some Hollywood shit
Cant wait to see 5090 strugle to run this one
It's likely that it won't struggle at all
@erenyaeger7662 r/woosh
@erwinPPP Your remind me of people in 2019
@@ErwinPPP its 2024 bro💔
5090 will be 60% faster in raster
And 2x faster in rt
I just remembered that these developers released a pirate game called Atlas that was just ARK DLC reskinned to look like a new game. You could open an ARK menu if you used a controller. The trailer was also filled with fake gameplay. So them forcing FG doesn't surprise me. Also, this makes me heavily doubt ARK 2 being good or looking anywhere close to how the trailers depict it.
People are buying these shitty games anyway that’s why it won’t stop lol
A lot of the stuff they put into ASA was apparently Atlas stuff, since Atlas is pretty dead now.
Different game company
@@Alecup06 Nah they're both produced/owned by Snail Games.
the amount of stuff snail games push on wildcard is disturbing i been playing ASE for almost 4 years just quitting before they announce ASA being new game instead of upgrade
... there is more stuff than people are aware of that is happening with that company also one of the reason i left the game and everyone i knew just to be safe
I tried it when it came out. I uninstalled it in 10 minutes. I wish this company to go bankrupt.
come on my guy, Ark as a concept is AWESOME, i cant imagine not having a dinosaur game to this scale. and like it or not Ark not succseeding is doing MAJOR damage to the "Stuck in the Mesozoic era" type of games. i can't believe things turned out this way
@@keashaneverts4452its sad they own the concept if any better company could make a copy of ark wildcard would shut down there lucky they cant be replaced because their so shit
@@jumbas45They already made a copy of Ark that’s better
It’s called Palworld
8:22 1% low is literally 1 fps
ever since they removed Nvidia's Frame gen and replaced it with FSR's frame gen its unplayable as for some very odd reason they f**** force FG without being able to disable it via the settings. You need to use console commands to disable it. Like why? That's literally not how you are supposed to use Frame gen in general.
Ever since that i just can't play it, its unplayable. It stutters all over the place, get lower frame rate than Nvidia's solution and VRR just doesn't work at all meaning there is screen tearing everywhere.
The best is trying to fly around on a fast moving tame (dreadstallion for example) diving like a gryphon the stutters are HELLA BAD and I always hold my breath when it freezes when trying to pull out of a dive because 80% of the time it means it's crashed.
This makes Starfield look smooth. Seriously, my 3060Ti + 5600X handles Starfield better than Ark on a 4090.
Unreal enigne 5 needs to stop being used. It just runs so nad.
not really, the devs are jst lazy. i use UE5 myself and you CAN really optimize games. look al valorant for example, that game can run on a potato. its just very easy to make amazing looking games but they really need optimization
if they started making engine for every game u'll probably wait 10 years for every game and the game will cost 100+
@@thefeaj Uhh... Valorant isn't UE5.
@@omargallo9636 Not true at all.
Decima engine is far superior also.
@@thefeaj I can download UE5 also and say I use it myself.
For a full all out game it's a terrible engine. There is a video on youtube just done by an engineer saying why it's terrible with evidence. It's actually worse than most know
So to confirm, since there seems to be a bit of misinformation here, the frame generation SEEMS forced because it's not the full feature yet, the feature is not complete (more below)
WC stated that they're in the process of swapping from Nvidia Frame Gen to FSR frame gen. Previously Nvidia Frame Generation was available and fully supported, but they opted to move to FSR because FSR can be used on any device. They've stated Nvidia Frame Gen will return once FSR has been fully implemented.
- FSR was only PARTIALLY implemented and is not fully complete, and when this was changed (at Aberration's launch in september) they stated the reason the feature isn't listed is because it was decoupled from the FSR 3.1 Upscaler, as that still needed some work.
As of December 2024, we don't have more info other than "Early 2025", but the option to enable/disable FSR frame gen will come back once the feature is fully complete again.
- This will likely be Q1 of 2025, as most of the optimizations are scheduled for that.
Lack of general optimization info:
- WC is also working on updating the game to UE 5.4, which was supposed to come out in September with aberration, then got delayed to Oct 15th-Nov15th as a time window. This was later further delayed to ensure Extinction is released before the end of the year.
- UE 5.4 is now the priority after extinction and will be the focus after the holiday break once Extinction releases.
As UE 5.4 on its own brings a lot of optimization tools, once that and FSR is fully implemented, things SHOULD (keyword should because WC seems notorious on somehow making things worse lol) be better.
- Nvidia frame gen support will then return once UE 5.4 and FSR 3.1 are fully in.
- Additionally once UE 5.4 and FSR 3.1 are fully implemented this should bring the recommend/minimum spec requirements down as well.
Additional Note:
- WC also mentioned they're working on a "low spec"/"performance" mode for the game as a launch option set to be released in 2025 for lower end models.
Next they will force enable dlss upscaler based on resolution by default instaed of optimizing the game. I am really worried about upcoming pc games considering i upgraded my rig recently
Don't give them ideas. 🤣🤧
They already force TAA even in the base engine, ofc that's their next "logical" conclusion.
i'm not worried .. i jsut got a 4080 super and a ryzen 7800x3d build .. if sopem new gaes make it look like dog shit .. i jsut won't play them . if it gets to the point every game does that .. well i got other hobbies out side of gaming or i can jsut stick to older games.
funniest thing about all of this, is if you bring ANY of these performance concerns up in their discord, they just ban you lol
Yep I got banned they claimed racism. All I said was the issues with the game and the dev team is trash. Boom banned for racism.
Marvel Rivals looks like Valorant and runs 10x worse 😭, just proves what UE5 does to games nowadays
Apparently, Valorant is also going to be updated to UE5, so can't wait to see how my low end pc is going to run that game. Probably going to go from 120 FPS to 30 FPS.. can't wait!
@RGisOnline omg
stop being dramatic , Valorant has baked lightning and doesn't use nanite or lumen , the change to ue5 will not affect performance at all@RGisOnline
Its the other way around. UE5 games should run even better because of all the features they have to allow making games easier and better. The developers use those features for shortcuts and to be lazy while still getting good graphics. Dont blame UE5, blame developers. Theres UE5 games that run very well
@RGisOnline condolences.
Devs really decided to just destroy the optimization lol
In the Future when all maps are out it will require about 500GB
Nah, that shit going to be bumped up to 999GB of space needed. 🤣
Is that all? My flight sim addons is 2TB.
I don't understand why people keeps buying this unoptimized mess.
Forced FG should be illegal
Its pathetic when in 6 months EVERY game that came out is "Worst Optimized Game EVER"
This is insane. Most of the time, at least on your phone you can't really make out how much tearing occurs on TH-cam if a game is badly optimized. But this i could make out every single time. Wowza
I once expressed my concern that this exact thing was going to happen, only to be dismissed as "grandpa gamer fudd," but here we are.
Those same people are people who just consume these types of games.
This game truly deserves 5% positive reviews on steam. But some nutcracker trolls have some sort of fetish for this kind of crap.
The actual gameplay and content is really cool. Thousands of hours worth of content. Fun story as well. Too bad that is all hindered by some heinous fps performance
Yeah the actual gameplay is really fun and there’s loads to do, it’s really unfortunate wild card doesn’t give much of a damn about optimization. It was the same with ark survival evolved but with ascended they really didn’t even bother to make it playable. I use a 3070 ti with a ryzen 9 5900x and I play at like high to medium graphics to get a suttery 40 frames. But I’m just absolutely addicted to it 😭
i know its your opinion and all but you just completely neglected the games gameplay and story just because of performance. i know it performs like crap but even me on a 4060 run this at 1440p medium settings around 50-60 fps and still manage to overlook it with the super addicting and unique gameplay that make this game what it is. If you played its predecessor Ark Survival Evolved you'd know why people love this game and even with its horrible performance they still cant stop playing it.
It's the pve people they all went and left good reviews even though it's trash.
@@cyathoris7530how is the story fun. You have to beat 1 boss to hear a 1 minute clip or find the books which also suck. There is no real enemies to fight. No missions to complete. You just fight dino, build base, tame dino, beat boss game is done.
It sucks since Ark is a game I really enjoy but I literally can't run this dogshit game even with a RTX 4080 and 7800x3d. This game needs serious fixes
Forced FG is something I didn't even know would happen 😄😄
1 FPS 1% lows is wild
"Guys Unreal Engine 5 is the future! It's gonna make games that look photoreal and run great! Just wait until they iron out some kinks in the next version!"
UE5 is not the culprit here .. quite a few new games are on UE5 and have ZERO issues
two i know of off hand are mechwarrior 5 Clans , and Robocop.
this with Ark ,is just developer incompetance , which this studio has a history of.
UE5 is easy to use the end result is an unoptimize crap.
@@DenverStarkey Zero issues* within the trend of UE5 games pretty universally performing nor as good as they should for the visuals.
Games from just some years ago, even some using ray tracing, on modern relevant mid range hardware can run and look better than similar UE5 games at their bare minimum or 'optimizrd' settings.
it does look absolutely gorgeous tho, 4 years ago we could only dream of such graphics
too bad the performance is terrible,
devs pls give us the option to disable framegen wtf -.-
zWORMSz: OMG SOO MUCH STUTTERING
TH-cam: crashes
Before buying a game you have to see what graphic engine it uses, based on that you can get an idea of what kind of experience you will receive.
After not watching your channel for 3 months, I came back just to watch a 4090 getting humbled brutaly in Ark Survival Ascended. Love it! 🙉
Imagine other games start using forced fg to make u get playable framerates.
Also you can disable fsr3 in the ini files, but it's not supposed to be there by default unless you added it in manually before
That's why I'm playing ASE right now (and that even doesn't run too well as we all know).
Forced FG and sub 60fps on a 4090 is crazy The whole team should be fired for such a thing
THANK YOU so very much. I was loosing my mind trying to play last weekend (after having taken several months off playing the game) and I noticed the studders WAY worse now. I tried messing with the settings but it still happens even with my 4070 on the medium settings. It also crashes constantly for me after ANY update, resulting in my having to delete and reinstall all the mods we use. Absolutely terrible dev team, at this point I don't think I'll be returning to Ark.
This is typical UE5 engine game performance. 60 fps, what a miracle 🎉
Does anyone remember when the RX 5700xt was touted as a viable option for 4k gaming? Now we see reviewers pushing the 4070 super as a 1440p card...
Your character has a "pin" head. Just funny as hell.
1:00 that double 666 in the handles was a warning
Studio WildCard are probably the most inept indie developers ever frankly.
Theyre only indie cause they are scammers. The money they made from the first ark is already triple A range
Thank you for pointing out one of the many problems Ark Survival Ascend has. ASA is one of the worst survival games on the market because they simply don't care about their community and want money. It would not even surprise me if instead of fixing these issues the easy way they will make you pay for something to fix but it only fixes it for their game.
That's how the OG Ark was too back in the day. I even wrote a steam review on it. Went something like this "Not even a PC built by Jesus Christ himself can maintain a smooth 60 fps :("
I swear ASA is running UE 5.1. Not 5.2. And that why is runs so horrible. Thus why devs are trying upgrade to UE 5.4 with FSR 3x. They want quickly hide the fact how bad they ported ASE (UE 4.5 from 2015) to lazy ported into UE 5.1.
I’ve seen indie devs do better job of upgrading there game, Cus I was with small indie dev team, as ex beta tester, small server admin and ex moderator (tech help guy). The dev team I was with upgrade to UE 4.26 before I step down, due to health reason.
Meanwhile it’s been almost year and wildcard still hasn’t upgrade to UE 5.4 with FSR lol.
This why ASA runs horrible IMO. They lied to ark community and Asa is running UE 5.1. I don’t have proof, but it’s my theory why even on high end cpu and 4090 it runs horrible.
Is wildcard so lazy they can’t call epic for help? Yes LOL
Amazing video as always, you should check out how Ark Survival Evolded works, it's the old version and it had the same optimization errors as now. Good video and thanks for the content
9:13, you forget about just the unoptimization or bottlenecks in the rendering pipeline, or it could be from the drivers side as well.
Every new card that comes out is only 10% BETTER. It's just modifications on the previous card variant, not a brand new gpu. To create the most powerful gpu in our era, they have to go to a rendering engine, like Unreal Engine. And turn everything up to max, then try to create a gpu that can handle that amount of stress.
can you include the rtx 2060 Super later in some videos?
The developers are releasing a major update on Dec 19th (unless they delay it again) with the Extinction map in which they claim they will "resolve issues affecting gameplay stability" and "enhance performance across all platforms". I really hope they add more options in the settings menu because currently this game is only playable with console commands. For the past month that I've been trying to play this horrible mess, I have experimented with what seems like every possible console command and setting to get a stable decent looking 60fps at 1080p on my 6700 XT which I have mostly achieved but the stuttering and latency issues really just make me not want to play. I pray to god they get they've gotten their shit together because Extinction was my favourite map from ASE and I wanna have a good experience playing it again.
Don't hold your breath.. They have claimed with each and every map patch to improve stability and performance and with each and every one it has gotten worse. I HATE the island, the center I cannot play without getting in crash loops in certain areas. Scorched Earth is shit and so unoptimized if I look up I am lucky to get 20 frames. I won't even bother touching Aberation and you expect it all to be fixed with Extinction? fat chance.
this game is made for NASA computers
All stupid broken modern games are made for NASA computers nowadays
When playing games at 4k maximum graphics settings, do you pay more attention to the graphics than the game? If such a thing happens, what is the maximum resolution and maximum graphics settings and maximum monitor inch size so that the graphics do not get more attention than the game? when Playing games, Easy to focus on the game with maximum Resolution and maximum Graphics Quality with The best gaming experience can be obtained from PC or console?
Will you ever try the new amazing intel arc B580 gpu?
This reminds me of that scene where the joker laughed and cried at the same time
Im playing the Quarry lately and that game is such a good proof of just how much we are getting BS-ed by game devs with UE5 and all the graphics and lack of optimizations. The game looks mind-meltingly real at many moments and yet 0 FPS drops at high settings and barely 4.5GB of VRAM usage too
Believe it or not royale high roblox is one of the most demanding games to play on high settings.
For around 2k Euro...no im not Playing on 4k High.
If i pay 2k Euro for a GPU alone EVERYTHING has to run on 4k Ultra settings.
your vids are a huge part of the gaming/pc community 🙏🙏
Crazy how this game is already more than 1 year old
are you going to review the b580?
1:11. what was wrong with that "shall we!"
Keep in mind this is without having a base with mounts and all the crafting tables. Don't even attempt online play were you have to load a huge and crazy amount of bases with insane amount of mounts
my solution to ark's horrible performance, keep in mind I play on 1080 144hz on rx 6800 xt r5 5600x, I left everything on high, no optimization commands, removed the fsr frame gen, lock fps at 35, run lossless scaling with x3 frame gen, game looks great now, runs smooth, a bit of artifacting but I can deal with it.
Heard this is an issue with the new NVidia app causing frametime issues in UE5 games
Apparently, you can disable FSRFG in the config file.
Try to find some config to disable FG, I think it can easily to remove.
Compared to gta v, an 11 year old game which runs so smoothly at 4K with 100fps plus
There has been ZERO effort towards optimizing the game. (Only forced frame gen, which is terrible) They only care about releasing more paid content. I wish they would fix their game first. They plan on Unreal fixing it for them. Supposedly their will be an engine upgrade sometime in 2026 but again its unreal's job to fix the game in thier eyes.
the game sets fg to on when epic settings are used apparently lol. and doesn't tell you at all.
This is the new „Can it run Crisis?“ 😭
You can remove volumetric clouds to get like 20-30 more Fps
They removed frame generation option months ago due to compatibility issues. UE5 gets a huge optimization update here soon. It’s supposed to reduce system requirements and make the game smoother and better.
Have you tried playing demo early beta game called Stalker 2?
The weird thing is, with my RX 7900 XTX, it runs WAYYY better at 1440p and 4K in this game, and btw, you can deactivate FG with a command. I love these ARK benchmarks.
13:25 now we optimize the game like this 😂by forcing the frame generation
Can software lumen be switched off in this game? In other words, is there a way to purely rasterize the game?
I assume disc space requirement is only for a single tiny island. Previous game without all maps bloated over 300Gigs.
There was a performance patch promised for november, which has been delayed to jan/feb so studio wildcars is once again being studio wildcard
There's also some kind of forced motion blur in the game, even when the setting is turned off.
You can command line "statshowfps", I think that's it, Id have to see my command lines to know for sure, and see that FG is indeed running by default. It shows it as running while playing and not enabled in the menu.
Wow, the optimization is so bad that I’m pretty sure these devs are either high school dropouts, or were the worst calculus students know to this planet.
The fact that ASE has twice as many active players says enough considering the features of ASA are actually great.
I don't mind the game being demanding, but the flickering lights, shadows, grass, crashes and fuzzy/blury dinos outside very close range just makes it look like shit. If they fixed that, and granted players (without the R.dynamicglobalilluminationmethod command) to disable lumen, the game would perform just fine.
This should never have been a new game. If they worked on ASE instead of releasing this garbage, they'd probably get a higher population and eventually more money too.
The weird thing is that I believe they’re supposed to be a RTX tab in the menu
Why even release the game at this point?
Try the aberration map and you will see even more decay on peformance. XD
4070 super here. In a new, local abe map I can get 80 fps easily in any zone (with the crap frametime ofc). Then I go to my official pve server base and the fps drops under 40 up to a point that I have to use this command to play without constant slutterning and severe frame drops:
r.Tonemapper.Sharpen 2|r.VolumetricCloud 0| r.Fog 0| r.shadowQuality 0| r.Shadow.Virtual.Enable 0| grass.sizescale 0|r.DynamicGlobalIlluminationMethod 2| r.SkylightIntensityMultiplier 10| r.Nanite.MaxPixelsPerEdge 4| r.Water.SingleLayer.Reflection 0| r.LightShaftQuality 0| r.ScreenPercentage 100
@whitehack2474 i play Fine with a 4060ti locked at 1080p 60fps with almost evertything on epic and dlss at quality. My main issue it's the stuttering acessing new map chuncks or heavly iluminated areas that happens even on the lowest graphic quality.
I remember seeing your video when the RTX 4090 came out and I was blown away by 4k 120fps on it, the fact that that game can look as good as it did and have that sort of performance shows you how badly unoptimized these games are
Its really a shame. Graphically the game looks amazing, but since buying the game haven’t been able to play and enjoy the game..
Releasing game like this shoult be ilegal... crime and should be punished. Lets remember almost 80% gamers using 3060 rtx or 4060. And this game is not for free... it price is high
As an Ark player, im not surprised. Wildcard is probably a team who dont know how to optimice a game. At the start, ASE was like this but with the new gen PC an consoles wasnt a big deal the previous game and decide making a remaster only for strugling the PCs and consoles.