*Insert Dawid Grunting sound here* Damn I forgot about what a nightmare 64-bit Windows XP is. I used it because it was the only working ISO I could find online when I made my XP install disk a year or so ago. The process involved so much suffering that I just used the same one again for this video. Ill definitely procure a 32-bit install disk for a future video to aviod this suffering. Thanks for the suggestions.
I can tell you immediately why you had such trouble with drivers. You installed the 64-bit version of Windows XP. That version had relatively lackluster driver support. Would be a good idea to install the 32-bit version of Windows XP the next time around.
@@TryboBike yeah, I never used XP64, only thing I heard about it was tons of driver issues. Only reason you'd use it was if you needed more than 4GB of ram, which was a rarity in the era.
Interesting, i heard the same back in the day, XP-64 was a pile of useless bits. So, some months ago, i built a XP-64 system, it has been easy and no fuzz. and haven't had a BSOD yet, running on a i7-4770k, 32gb ram GTX 960. running rock solid, Virtualbox 5.2.44 runs debian 12-64bit and windows 10 1909 perfectly fine. ofcourse my iso was a SP2 with basically all updates available. i do not see the issue with XP-64 as everyone at the time was screaming about. And i, at the time avoided it like the plauge. one challenge with XP-64 i have, most old game CD/DVD installers do not want to run for some reason. So i install games in a xp-32 VM and copy the game and regedit stuff over to the host XP-64, and the game 99% of the time, just works.
Akshually, that isn't a joystick connector, it's a serial port. By that time however the need for that particular standard was waning as people moved to always on internet connections and PS/2 or USB for mice. And I recommend using the 32 bit version of Windows XP. It's 64 bit counterpart was well known for being incredibly fiddly and cumbersome when it came to driver support. There's a reasonable chance you'd get the system working with the original graphics card and onboard audio when using the 32 bit version.
The A8N32 did come with a controller port back plate with 2 USB ports (I've got the A8N-E and it has the same), controller port is the nice mustard yellow thing you can see on the left when the box is opened
"Legal shiv battle" sounds so much more interesting than "legal dispute." Also, that "it would be easier to find some approval from your parents" caught me while I was drinking soda, and I just barely stopped my laugh enough that it didn't go up my nose.
I have never seen anyone use Windows XP 64bit for gaming. You should have used the 32bit version, that would probably have fixed a lot of driver struggles...
please make another video to see if the game runs better now. It may be that you finally get the performance you were hoping for. I would be very interested.
@@robindebondt4643 yeah that was a mistake. That's exactly why it was a pain in the arse... Format it and go to the 32bit (x86) version, bet the drivers will work first try.
I had severe memberberries about that case as well! I still have it stashed away somewhere. It's a black version, but otherwise identical to the one in the video.
My steam account was made on September 15th 2003 and I had so many PC's that I built I cannot remember. I was even doing case mods back then where I cut out designs on the side of my case then I would put lights inside. I know I have pictures of it somewhere!
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Black & White was just incredible. Peter Molyneux was one of the greatest game designers of that era. I remember I even had a winamp plugin in which the bear creature would dance to the sound of the music playing
"I don't remember it running like this" That was my response to firing up my N64 and playing Perfect Dark with the increased textures/resolution. It was like 18FPS at best. Luckily you can go low res and use an upscaler.
Textures remain the same in high resolution mode on the N64. The game just runs at 640x222 (NTSC) or 448x268 (PAL) compared to 320x222 and 320x268 in low-res mode. Games certainly ran at weird resolutions back then, although Nintendo in particular are still using non-square pixels from time to time even today. I would recommend playing the Xbox 360 remaster instead. It's 1080p/60 (4K/60 on One X and Series X), with (optionally) slightly improved textures and models. It's faithful to the original and feels absolutely brilliant to play thanks to the perfect fluidity. There is also an unofficial PC port based on a decompilation of the game, which is however not finished yet (although it's pretty functional). If you are also interested in replaying Goldeneye, play the leaked, never officially released remaster (runs perfectly in Xemu), which very similar in terms of quality.
OMG, I used to have this (almost) exact same system! I built in that Thermaltake Tsunami Dream for over a decade! I only got rid of it when I built an i7-8700K system. LOVED that case! I even found my old ebay listings from 2009: I sold my FX-55 with cooler for $57, ASUS A8N32-SLI went for $81, 1GB kit of XMS went for $45. I had the 256mb Dell GPU but in SLI and ended up giving those away to a friend. My favorite part, hands down, was the LEDs on the RAM. Seeing activity live was so cool to show off at LANs lol SUCH a nostalgia trip!!!
Never played Black and White but my favorite game of all time is also from Peter Molyneux. Dungeon Keeper! Which it still has an active community behind it
Mine was Myth the fallen lords. Then Eidos release Myth 2 shorthly after as games didn't take a decade to make. Real time tactic with disructable/deformable land. Perfection!
You can go all the way up the 900 series, the 970 and up require a small driver edit. I use the 950 mostly, because even a quad C2D will bottleneck a 960.
@@drewnewby Even my 2016 i5 bottlenecked a 960 at least a little bit. They do actually benefit from contemporary i7 CPUs in order to breathe freely, although at that point, you might as well go with a 10-series instead.
The hard drive bays are in front of the fan on purpose. Don't forget that mechanical drives can get pretty hot, and back in the day it was pretty common to need 2/3/4 drives to get big enough storage. Put 4 drives there and suddenly the fan is mandatory to prevent the hard drives cooking themselves.
LOL! This was the typical experience building your own PC back in the early 2000s. So much bending over backwards to get things to work and drivers to install. It took hours and hours. It was glorious. Nowadays, things just work, and well, it is more glorious.
@@C4nn15And Intel is trying to get some CIA contracts with their spontaneously combusting CPUs. Meanwhile AMD gave up on high end and nVidia gave up on putting VRAM on cards because who needs VRAM anyways?
I did, only way to get more than 4gb ram on XP to work. Was a baller already back then with a Pentium D. But Darwin should have waited to 2007 and gone for a c2q6600 😅
Reminds me of the day I decided to repaste my rtx 3060 and the cable connector that powers the fans... broke off at the flimsy plug. Spent a couple hours trying to fix the connection without any good micro tools, finally got it seated without issue, now I know never to unplug those connectors when I take apart that card. In 2005 I had a sony Vaio desktop with an MX420 in it... Played OG CoD and Day of Defeat. Great times.
No matter what, I keep a build in the silver Thermaltake Tsunami. Of the dozen here, even older builds like C2D and Athlon are in newer cases like Fractal Mesh, etc., but I have a Coffee Lake setup in this case. I will never give it up, peak aluminum, even if it requires some mods for a modern PC.
In 2005 i had saved enough money as a 13 year old to build my first pc. The specs: Athlon 64 4000+, 2gb ddr1 ram, Geforce 6600GT 256mb gpu, 74gb WD raptor hdd, ASUS m-atx motherboard. I still use this pc for retro gaming, the only thing i had to replace (4 times already) is the psu.
@@volvo09 Until a few years ago I always used the PSUs that came with the case (Aopen PSUs) to keep the PC as original as possible. You can hardly find these anymore, so for 6 years now there has been a Corsair PSU in it that continues to work fine. I am already happy that the HDD still works and the SMART is still OK.
@@Mother_Mercury I wanted one of those raptor drives back then, but I couldn't afford it. Glad to hear you are still using it. Is the CPU at stock clocks?
@@volvo09 I have never overclocked the CPU. I really don't dare to do that now because I don't know how stable the motherboard is. The Athlon 64 4000+ can hardly be overclocked if I understand correctly because it is already on the edge of what the chip can handle. The Raptor has never been a good decision to buy. the hard drive does spin at 10,000 rpm, but it is not really much faster than a 'normal hard drive' and makes a lot of noise. Only the access time is a tiny bit better. I had a 250gb 7200rpm hard drive in this pc for a while, but I didn't notice any difference in loading games.
Small tip for Thingiverse: When it fails to make the zip it will usually let you click the individual files in the list to download them unzipped still.
One thing to remember about that era is that people didn't make as big a deal about frame rates. Most people never even looked at them. You just tried to get the game to a smooth, usable experience and went on from there. This game probably wasn't intended to run higher than 30 FPS and hardly anybody cared. 720p was also a good resolution for the time. 1080p was considered ultra tier, and 720 was one step below that.
This is why I keep all my old hardware and can put together an age appropriate PC going back to 1992 if required. The only issue I have is trying to game on an S3 Virge as it works just as well today as it did back then :D
I bought one of those boards, an AMD Opteron 185 and 2 nVidia GeForce 7950 GTs a few years ago, when they were quite a bit cheaper, but the system never felt really that fast, so it is now collecting dust in my basement until I decide to sell it.
Oh man, what a trip. I had an Athlon 64 CPU and I was encouraged by Tiger Direct to use XP 64-bit edition, and that was the most horrid experience. Redo video with x32 edition.
Heck yeah I was. And my system was so bad that HL2 was only a pipe dream, the best I could run was GTA 2. It was a Pentium 2 450MHz, S3Trio vantage and crisp 256MBs of SDR RAM. My HDD had lower capacity than a DVD (4.2GB). This is why I love OG Fallouts so much. Then I got a new computer in 2008. A laptop with dedicated GPU. It was subsidised by school program, as Czech Republic really needed IT people, and we paid about 15% of the market value. It was a Dell Vostro 1510, not exceptional in any way BUT it had dedicated 8600 GS and Core2Duo at 1.8GHz (that was socketed). I still have this laptop. Upgraded it out the wazoo, it has 4GBs of RAM (used to have 1), 256GB SSD (used to ship with 80GB HDD, then got an upgrade when it failed and Dell only stocked 500GB HDDs) and a 2.4GHz core2Duo. This laptop had an arduous life with me, it could run Mass Effect 3 at like 20FPS so that was fun. But it was constantly RMAd. And before someone goes with "average Dell experience" - I was the only one who had issues at the school. The warranty covered my entire 4 years at the school but due to health (got mono because I was o e of the cool kids who smoked and sometimes not just tobacco so getting foreign saliva in my mouth was common through that method, sadly only that method) I had to repeat last year. The cool part is, I gamed the socks of the laptop in the last year of warranty and the CPU failed. The laws in Czech Republic back then were that replacement product or money back have to be given if there are 3 same failures or 5 different ones, and the new product gets a new warranty that has to be same as you got eith the old one. The laws no longer work this way but they used to. This was the fifth failure. Dell could not give me the money back since I did not pay the full price, government did and they were in that case prohibited from giving me the money (could be subsidy fraud). So they had to give me a new laptop but the issue was that they no longer made a Vostro 1510 with dedicated GPU, so they had to grab a laptop with dedicated GPU in similar price range. That ended up being e6520 with i7 and nvidia NVS 4200M. A unicorn of a laptop that is mere impossible to find today (and I still have it) and was about triple the original price of my Vostro. And the kicker? They let me keep the Vostro too, they just took the faulty CPU. Three months later a friend of mine sold me her Sony Vaio laptop that was dead (and had the aforementioned 2.4GHz CPU) for couple of grams of weed. The new Dell had no issues whatsoever. It now rocks a 1TB SSD and 8GB of RAM. The vostro also since then had no issues whatsoever. So for about $250 I got two laptops that basically were my gaming systems until 2016 when I got my first well paying job and built a Xeon E5 1650 v4/GTX1080 combo (that my employer gave me some money for as I did work from home ever since) that I had as my main PC until recently. I find it hilarious that I bought HL2 on release and kept it for 4 years until I could play it.
Congrats on 699K subscribers at the time of this writing. Great content. Man back then I could not even imagine let alone dream of graphics like black and white. I was stuck with the family computer a 1998 compaq.
We are indeed absolutely and unequivocally simple men, we enjoy the finer things in life, the absolute decadence that is Dawid content. We thrive in the sublime, the silly, the fun, the tech... we enjoy watching him do tech stuff. We are simple men. Edit: I originally tried playing Black and White 1 on a computer with no graphics card, I was literally getting 1 frame per minute. I did get a GPU and it's one of my favorite games of all time. :D
I just took an older dell Optiplex office PC and an SSD and loaded Windows XP onto that. I believe XP drivers work on up to 4th gen Intel chips, getting the drivers is the hardest part but I figured it out at one point. Threw in a GT730 which is weak by today’s standards but for a windows XP computer, it’s god tier. All in, it cost me like $60. Runs everything AMAZINGLY. I love playing my old games like Mechwarrior 3 from time to time.
Meanwhile, I just head over to the PCGamingWiki to find solutions for older games and run them on my current system. If push comes to shove, I'll fire up a VM or PCEm.
That case brings back some memories I remember my Dad built himself a gaming PC in that case with a dual core AMD CPU and dual Nvidia 8600 GPUs in SLI and he played a lot of trackmania nations. I also remember always wanting to play Black and White myself but I never had it or a PC that could run it at the time.
I have almost the same hardware as my XP retro system... but I put it in a modern Fractal Design Pop Air case, RGB case fans, same Wraith Prism CPU cooler and sleeved cable extensions, so it looks like a fancy new PC from the outside but then you realize all the internals are from 2005... Athlon 64 X2 4400+ on a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR, 2GB of DDR-400 and a 7800 GTX I refurbished myself (had a failed VRM MOSFET). It's a lot of fun to keep this old hardware alive and in a state like it would have been 20 years ago.
This is also how I got into retro PCs, though in my case it was to play AVP2, which also isn't available for purchase and doesn't play well with modern systems. I started with a Windows XP build, and now I have several retro builds that go all the way back to DOS. For an optimal XP experience, you want a newer system like a Core 2 Duo or even a Sandy/Ivy Bridge system. You don't really lose any compatibility, and you get far better performance for a MUCH cheaper price. As you found out yourself, most of the period correct stuff goes for an arm and a leg because of collectors. Meanwhile, you can find Core 2 Duo systems in the dumpster. Match it with an appropriate gpu from the same time period (most cards from about 2008 to 2012 can be had for super cheap), you can play games like Black and White 2 on modern resolutions and frame rates.
Whoa whoa whoa - you're telling me you had an ATI card and you had _driver problems_ ?! Bro you can't just go saying that on the internet and expect people to believe you! :D
you may have forgotten to install the motherboard drivers first. install motherboard driver>install gpu driver>install audio driver (if mobo driver did not install it yet) should be the order when dealing with older OSes
I loved those games! Can't remember which shipped with my "AR/VR" glove that I used to play the game with... Once. It was really cool controlling the hand in the game with my own hand. But it got very heavy very fast keeping your hand suspended in the air in front of you all the time.
I can't remember what CPU I had but I bought Battlefield 2 and couldn't play it, because my graphics card wasn't able to do Hardware T&L, which was some fancy light and shadow stuff. Because of that I bought two 7800GTX (stock cooler ones) and LOVED playing Battlefield 2.
@@no1DdC The cards got really hot but couldn't handle the heat well enough. At that times, SLI was hell, yes. And back then it often introduced micro-stutter. Shortly before nVIDIA officially ended SLI it was at its pinnacle and delivered nearly twice the performance, given the game engine is using it correctly. See Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
This video made me remember my first PC. My grandpa, who worked as a programmer, eventually passed down his old pc to me. The upgrades I did on it led to where I am today when it comes to games and building PCs.
Man I remember playing Day of Defeat source in like 2006 on a Sony Vaio desktop. I think I got like 30fps and thought the experience was great. Still would clap in that and CS: source. This video brought me back. Love your content!
I remember playing black and white on my "top of the line" 2003-2004 build, i legit spent more on that computer than i did on my car at the time. Good old Pentium 4 extreme and a Radeon 9800xt, i remember bragging to my buddies about how it was 3ghz and had hyperthreading 😂 Was like sitting next to a space heater. Kinda wish i had hung on to the hardware now though, the motherboard alone still goes for like $300, but my friend group has always passed on our older hardware to whoever in the group needed the upgrade. Plus that was also the capacitor plague era so the majority of that hardware died an early death, and it was before i had picked up the soldering skills to change the caps. Was one of my favorite times for pc gaming though, young enough to game half the night after putting in a full day at work, no kids yet to steal my free time, and still willing to live on a ramen diet so i could afford computer parts and new games 😂
I built a DIY PC for the first time right around 2005. It had a similar motherboard with that copper heatpipe and an Athlon 64 with a Zalman cooler. The airflow on the case was awful. I had to play Oblivion with the side of the case off and a floor fan blowing into the open side of the case. I think i also had an SLI mobo but never got more than one video card. It just wasn't worth it. But i got many nostalgia feels from your video Dawid, thanks! (Especially the ATI video card with the sci-fi lady on it.)
8:40 - if you want maximum strength for the part, you're going to want to print it on its side instead of flat against the bed. I would also print it in ABS; PLA is likely to warp (pressure at 50-60C is going to warp PLA). PETG will get you a bit more temp resistance, but not much.
Back then I didn’t use onboard audio. Glad you found an audio card 😅 but you got lots of left overs laying around… like me. (I keep all my old parts 😂)
Back in 2004 my friend ordered the Tsunami case you have in the video. It was a day before the big tsunami in Asia hit. He was never allowed to order a case again.
I just found ATI X1950 XTX 512Mb GDDR4 card at recycling centre and had to save it :D Gotta give it some love and see if it works! I mean that GDDR4 in itself is rare AF, such a specimen, beast of ye olden days!
Hey! Free Spider! Ah yes, when Hardware T&L was the raytracing of yore. All that hair and grass. Didn't really get into Black and white, I did play the first one don't think I had heard of them making a sequel.
I had the solid side version of this case with MATCHING silver floppy drive and MATCHING silver dvd writer. I wish I still had that case, it was pretty cool.
@@nephrium wow, getting a matching drive was a rarity! I still have my 2005 era case, I went with black so my drives would match. Although I don't have the original mobo in it... It was an AM1 AMD Opteron 144 with a decent overclock, built on a discount when AM2 was out.
I played this exact game, with a pc built in a simillar case too: the thermaltake shark, on a 1600x900 monitor. The pc was pretty high end back then, 512mb vram and all. My grandpa built it for me. Such good memories.
I distinctly remember building a similar system just to play Overlord, I ran it on an Nvidia 5700, a P4 cpu and 256mb of ram. seeing this has made wanna go back and play it again. Thank you Dawid
In 2005, I bought my first custom PC from one of those old school PC shops. I remember bringing it home and the thing wouldn't work. After a couple weeks bringing it back for troubleshooting where it worked fine in their lab every time, it turned out that the problem was I using a USB mouse and keyboard and the motherboard refused to boot without something plugged into the PS/2 ports. All this to say that I'm not surprised a period accurate 2005 PC build was such a headache. I still have all of those parts, too. I don't know if they work, but I used the giant metal case for my current PC and I love it.
This is a super interesting video with all this old hardware. Seeing an Athlon 64 under a Wraith cooler is poetic af. AM4 Ryzen fitting the ol 939 socket. Like it was meant to be!
I like having a little insight to Dawid's interests. The sim rig episodes were sweet as a sim racer myself. Speaking of old games that won't get digital releases, anyone play Mercs 2 on modern PCs?
OMG, I remember having a ThermalTake Tsunami Dream in my Athlon 64 days. I had a DFI LanParty motherboard and UV cold cathode lights. 2005 was a great year.
Damn, I want to go back and play Black & White again. My cousin and I spent dozens of hours playing both the first and second games and they were fantastic! I think I even still have my old copy of 2 at my parents house somewhere!
I literally buy packs of those motherboards speakers and keep them in my little "junk" drawers. I install one into every PC I build/work on.. A few cents to save so much pain.
Damn, tech advanced fast. In 2005, I still had a Pentium 4 1.7Ghz, 256Mb Ram and a Radeon 9000 64Mb 😂. I still have it a storage. Maybe one day will I'll try and find out what's been, all of a sudden in 2007, killing my hdd's, clicking noise of death after a couple of days of use.
What material did you use to print that bracket? I doubt PLA will survive long. PETG might be ok for a while. ABS would be better, or even the CF enforced material. Regardless, I'd try to find an original spare.
Some of my fonder old school gaming moments of PC involved Carn-Evil and Journeyman: Project Turbo. I hadn't built my own system at that time but I still enjoyed computer gaming. My mother used to work in a school library and they'd let her bring home discarded systems back then; so began my journey into the world of PC builds ha. Luckily I had guidance from a friend (R.I.P Ray). Been doing it ever since. Edit: R.I.P IDE HDD's and *actually* floppy floppy disks in the now modern world.
Dawid - Important info for you!!! (You might know this however - if you don't, then this should be very useful for you) When 3D printing an object which needs to be stronger, there is a fairly simple way to make it so. What you need is an oven which very precise temperature control. You can find many different versions of this, but the most important part is a (IMO) is finding one with a digital readout with a good thermostat and gradual controls down to at least 1 or 2 C. What you then do is look at the temp on the filament you are printing with melts at (should say so on the package) and then put the oven a few C bellow that (And yes - the temp on the package CAN be a bit wrong, so start out with taking it up to 10C bellow the melting temp and then raising it slowly to get closer to the melting temp and then be ready to stop if it looks like the object actually begins to melt) The trick here is to let it bake for a while and raise the core temp up to close to the melting point, and then SLOWLY letting it cool, a few C at a time. This makes the bond between the layers MUCH stronger. Depending on what you are doing - it is worth the effort since you can run it simultaneously while printing out the "next" object.
Don't use an oven that you're also for food though, since, depending on the filament, the fumes can be quite toxic. If you absolutely have to do this, get something like a small pizza oven. Really though, if you are using a well-calibrated printer (even a cheap one will suffice - I've managed to outperform printers 20x as expensive with my basic little Nepture 3 Pro) with properly dried filament (get a quality filament dryer with an actual working temperature sensor instead of a fake one; I can recommend creality), all of these issues will just disappear entirely, without the need for additional baking. After drying the filament, store it in air-tight containers (I use plastic cereal boxes with rubber seals) and add a handful of desiccant into each box. When it discolors, change it out. You can also dry the filament during the printing process by feeding it from the dryer - but make sure your printer is able to feed reliably from the dryer first, without dragging it around. With this dried filament, I've printed parts that are completely indestructible even under enormous stress, for example almost an entire crossbow or handles that are pulled hard dozens of time per day. I recommend PETG instead of PLA or ABS. It's incredibly strong, heat and UV resistant, but it's much easier to print and quite a bit less toxic in terms of fumes than ABS. PLA is the safest (ideal if you're spending a lot of time in the same room as your printer), but inherently weak and will always be suffering from layer adhesion issues. I would only recommend it for aesthetic parts like sculptures.
@@no1DdC Uhm 1: Obviously! If you cook plastic of any kind in an oven - it is no longer safe for cooking food! Thought that was logical to everyone by default! 2: Yeah sure all fine - however baking it still strenghtens the bond between the layers no matter how good your printer is. An industrial printer have a temp controlled environment for a reason. Unless you have one of those - then baking it WILL make it stronger. You might not always need it to be stronger - however for something like this I would consider it a good idea to do so. If you are making parts for a crossbow - I truly don't understand what your argument is! You SHOULD try to make the bonds in as strong as possible - and unless you have an INSANELY expensive printer - I don't get why you wouldn't spend the time and - in comparison - small amount of money on a temperature controlled oven to give it that extra bit of strength. I don't want to argue about this - just go watch some videos on plastic durability - and how to get the strongest results. It's not "an opinion" - it's what the people who are experts on the subject say. And yes - I'm fully aware that new printers and materials are WAY better than they used to be - and that you don't always need to bake your printed objects - but it all depends on what you are going for, and if you want it to as strong as possible - you should bake it!
This was a few years before I got into building things myself. I built my first in 2010 and that had a Phenom 2 965 BE and a 9800 GT. Later swapped out the 9800 GT for a GTX 260 216. That system gave me a lot of hours of fun.
Had the same board and CPU but used a Gainward 7800 GTX GS for about a year before getting another one for some SLI action. The case was from Thermaltake and it was one of the first with a toolless design. It had those green and purple clamps and twisty knobs. Thermaltake Soprano if I remember correctly. The hinged front cover had almost a wave like profile which I found to look so stunning at the time after using greyish beige cases for over ten years. Being able to see the insides of my system was also mind-blowing back then. This PC was in use in my family for almost 6 years, which was unheard of at the time, before one of the GPUs broke and I sold the rest of the system for 100€ 😅 the PC was a beast, great memories ❤ Edit: Have you tried Snappy Driver Installer? Maybe that would have made the whole driver installation process a bit easier? 🤷
Black and White! I haven't thought of that game in so long! I loved those games! I think you triggered my PTSD of building gaming systems back then. lol
I first got into computer gaming in 2007. I had a co-worker talk me into trying World Of Warcraft. I dove in about 6 months before the launch of Wrath Of The Lich King. I started out playing it on a cheap Acer laptop running Windows 7. I "upgraded" a few years later to a desktop I built with an AMD A10-5800K APU.
Around that time I was using an older AMD Athlon 1300 with an 8600 GT. Games would have worked decently at 800x600. I remember playing Crysis at bottom barrel 800x600 low settings and being happy I saw 15 fps. Nothing more nostalgic then driver annoyances and windows xp. Good memories.
I honestly can't remember what I was rocking at that time 😂 I know my first PC had a Socket 939, which very quickly afterwards became obsolete. I'm pretty sure my first GPU was some real budget passively cooled Nvidia card. Could have been a FX5600, that name kinda rings a bell. I played mainly Counter-Strike 1.5/6, WoW and stuff like that. I've had a Radeon 4770, with a real nice Waifu cooler on it at some point 😂 I believe I still have that card in storage as well 😅
*Insert Dawid Grunting sound here* Damn I forgot about what a nightmare 64-bit Windows XP is.
I used it because it was the only working ISO I could find online when I made my XP install disk a year or so ago. The process involved so much suffering that I just used the same one again for this video. Ill definitely procure a 32-bit install disk for a future video to aviod this suffering. Thanks for the suggestions.
Why not just use a VM?
@@hi-friaudioman Because this is a hardware channel.
32 bit is the way! 64bit was stupid buggy and was never great for gaming back then because of instability.
I saw WinXP64 and was like TURN LEFT DAWID!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO
next video idea: use ai to simulate old games like black and white on new hardware and better graphics
I can tell you immediately why you had such trouble with drivers. You installed the 64-bit version of Windows XP. That version had relatively lackluster driver support. Would be a good idea to install the 32-bit version of Windows XP the next time around.
Yes, 64-bit XP is a unicorn. Do not install it, guys.
Vista 64bit Was the first usable 64bit OS
@dabigbadwolf5081 I had 32bit vista on laptop )
@@dimancor2925 Same.
@@dabigbadwolf5081 Yep, that's why I went to Vista over XP - for 64-bit support.
The driver issue was probably because of 64 bit XP - which was pretty poorly supported.
@@TryboBike yeah, I never used XP64, only thing I heard about it was tons of driver issues.
Only reason you'd use it was if you needed more than 4GB of ram, which was a rarity in the era.
Yeah, I was wondering why he went with 64 bit. It was only needed for more than 4GB RAM and only the gods had more than that back then.
Knew he'd suffer the moment I saw the 64 bit logo. Breaks the whole build over the knee and is likely the culprit for the abysmal performance too.
Interesting, i heard the same back in the day, XP-64 was a pile of useless bits. So, some months ago, i built a XP-64 system, it has been easy and no fuzz. and haven't had a BSOD yet, running on a i7-4770k, 32gb ram GTX 960. running rock solid, Virtualbox 5.2.44 runs debian 12-64bit and windows 10 1909 perfectly fine.
ofcourse my iso was a SP2 with basically all updates available. i do not see the issue with XP-64 as everyone at the time was screaming about. And i, at the time avoided it like the plauge.
one challenge with XP-64 i have, most old game CD/DVD installers do not want to run for some reason. So i install games in a xp-32 VM and copy the game and regedit stuff over to the host XP-64, and the game 99% of the time, just works.
@@bean420manI remember on my xp machine I had 2gb ram and felt like I was awesome haha, now am on 64gb
Akshually, that isn't a joystick connector, it's a serial port. By that time however the need for that particular standard was waning as people moved to always on internet connections and PS/2 or USB for mice.
And I recommend using the 32 bit version of Windows XP. It's 64 bit counterpart was well known for being incredibly fiddly and cumbersome when it came to driver support. There's a reasonable chance you'd get the system working with the original graphics card and onboard audio when using the 32 bit version.
The A8N32 did come with a controller port back plate with 2 USB ports (I've got the A8N-E and it has the same), controller port is the nice mustard yellow thing you can see on the left when the box is opened
Akshually, it's a DE-9 connector. Commonly misidentified as a DB-9 connector, "Serial Port" or "COM Port".
@@grantsutherland203 Yes and the controller port is a DA-15... (and the ASUS manual calls the backplate with the DE-9 a " Serial port module")
This. I was sure someone was ahead of me. Gameport had more pins :)
True
I still have the original copy of Black & White.
Solid motherboard bro
Can you sell it to me?
"Legal shiv battle" sounds so much more interesting than "legal dispute."
Also, that "it would be easier to find some approval from your parents" caught me while I was drinking soda, and I just barely stopped my laugh enough that it didn't go up my nose.
I have never seen anyone use Windows XP 64bit for gaming. You should have used the 32bit version, that would probably have fixed a lot of driver struggles...
Yeah it was the only working ISO for XP I could find on the internet a year or so ago. I'll buy a 32-bit disk off eBay.
please make another video to see if the game runs better now. It may be that you finally get the performance you were hoping for. I would be very interested.
Why the hell did you install the x64 version of XP, no wonder you had driver issues
@@robindebondt4643 yeah that was a mistake.
That's exactly why it was a pain in the arse... Format it and go to the 32bit (x86) version, bet the drivers will work first try.
@@volvo09the game will probably run better too.
This 100%, 64bit operating systems back then were a complete nightmare for gaming and driver support. I'm surprised the game even launched!
XP x64 was the ME of 2006 lmao
lucky he did not install the correct version of the drivers 😂 x86
I had that case! This is such a throwback. Black and White 1 & 2, red Alert 2, Yuris revenge, etc. What a time to be young.
What about C&C Generals and Zero Hour? My favs of all time!
I had severe memberberries about that case as well! I still have it stashed away somewhere. It's a black version, but otherwise identical to the one in the video.
@dodolurker Keep it or sell it to me. Entirely aluminum cases are unicorns at this point. I have a Coffee Lake build in the silver version.
I had the black version of that case. I think it had blue lighting on it. I kind of miss it ha
Don't use XP 64 Bit. It's 2003 in disguise. 32 Bits is the version everyone used and the one you want. All your driver problems should be gone, too.
Yeah, XP 32-bit is the way to go.
You ca run it on modern systems, you just need to do the right searches.
Lackluster driver support for XP 64
My steam account was made on September 15th 2003 and I had so many PC's that I built I cannot remember. I was even doing case mods back then where I cut out designs on the side of my case then I would put lights inside. I know I have pictures of it somewhere!
Black & White was just incredible. Peter Molyneux was one of the greatest game designers of that era. I remember I even had a winamp plugin in which the bear creature would dance to the sound of the music playing
Lmao the second I heard this sentence at 17:44 I opened up the comments and the top 3 immediately confirmed Dawid’s predictions
"I don't remember it running like this"
That was my response to firing up my N64 and playing Perfect Dark with the increased textures/resolution. It was like 18FPS at best. Luckily you can go low res and use an upscaler.
Textures remain the same in high resolution mode on the N64. The game just runs at 640x222 (NTSC) or 448x268 (PAL) compared to 320x222 and 320x268 in low-res mode. Games certainly ran at weird resolutions back then, although Nintendo in particular are still using non-square pixels from time to time even today.
I would recommend playing the Xbox 360 remaster instead. It's 1080p/60 (4K/60 on One X and Series X), with (optionally) slightly improved textures and models. It's faithful to the original and feels absolutely brilliant to play thanks to the perfect fluidity. There is also an unofficial PC port based on a decompilation of the game, which is however not finished yet (although it's pretty functional).
If you are also interested in replaying Goldeneye, play the leaked, never officially released remaster (runs perfectly in Xemu), which very similar in terms of quality.
OMG, I used to have this (almost) exact same system! I built in that Thermaltake Tsunami Dream for over a decade! I only got rid of it when I built an i7-8700K system. LOVED that case!
I even found my old ebay listings from 2009: I sold my FX-55 with cooler for $57, ASUS A8N32-SLI went for $81, 1GB kit of XMS went for $45. I had the 256mb Dell GPU but in SLI and ended up giving those away to a friend. My favorite part, hands down, was the LEDs on the RAM. Seeing activity live was so cool to show off at LANs lol SUCH a nostalgia trip!!!
I built many for customers in this case. I still have a Coffee Lake build in one.
Never played Black and White but my favorite game of all time is also from Peter Molyneux. Dungeon Keeper! Which it still has an active community behind it
KeeperFX changed my life
I liked both games, but I definitely put more hours into Dungeon Keeper. 👍
DK2 was my favourite, I spent so many hours playing that!
Mine was Myth the fallen lords. Then Eidos release Myth 2 shorthly after as games didn't take a decade to make. Real time tactic with disructable/deformable land. Perfection!
Going for period correct and uses a Wraith cooler. Drop a GT 710 in there and an SSD, and use 32bit XP. Mind Blown. Good video!
Windows XP can go up to a GTX 960 for graphics. I recently played Black and White 2 on an XP machine at 1080p with a GTX 780 and an AMD FX 6350.
You can go all the way up the 900 series, the 970 and up require a small driver edit. I use the 950 mostly, because even a quad C2D will bottleneck a 960.
@@drewnewby Even my 2016 i5 bottlenecked a 960 at least a little bit. They do actually benefit from contemporary i7 CPUs in order to breathe freely, although at that point, you might as well go with a 10-series instead.
@no1DdC I know, you missed the point slightly. XP only supports up to 900 series. Ivy Bridge with a 970 is a good max XP setup though.
The hard drive bays are in front of the fan on purpose. Don't forget that mechanical drives can get pretty hot, and back in the day it was pretty common to need 2/3/4 drives to get big enough storage. Put 4 drives there and suddenly the fan is mandatory to prevent the hard drives cooking themselves.
one of mine ran so hot it warped the metal shield on the bottom and desoldered its power connector
LOL! This was the typical experience building your own PC back in the early 2000s. So much bending over backwards to get things to work and drivers to install. It took hours and hours. It was glorious.
Nowadays, things just work, and well, it is more glorious.
Yeah, seems AMD still hasn't got the drivers right :).
@@C4nn15And Intel is trying to get some CIA contracts with their spontaneously combusting CPUs. Meanwhile AMD gave up on high end and nVidia gave up on putting VRAM on cards because who needs VRAM anyways?
I've built pcs since the 90's. Windows 95 was way way way worse than xp to get drivers working. Up was rather easy to deal with.
Windows XP x64 Edition? Has anyone seriously used it? And a AMD X2 CPU would have been still period correct, released in may before B&W2...
I did, only way to get more than 4gb ram on XP to work. Was a baller already back then with a Pentium D. But Darwin should have waited to 2007 and gone for a c2q6600 😅
hahaha omg your relief at 19:26 is so real. Very nice work Dawid and those parts def came in clutch. Congrats on another amazing video man!
Reminds me of the day I decided to repaste my rtx 3060 and the cable connector that powers the fans... broke off at the flimsy plug. Spent a couple hours trying to fix the connection without any good micro tools, finally got it seated without issue, now I know never to unplug those connectors when I take apart that card.
In 2005 I had a sony Vaio desktop with an MX420 in it... Played OG CoD and Day of Defeat. Great times.
The sound all of us make when everything was for not.
@ that sounds like a nightmare. Glad to hear you were able to recover it.
No matter what, I keep a build in the silver Thermaltake Tsunami. Of the dozen here, even older builds like C2D and Athlon are in newer cases like Fractal Mesh, etc., but I have a Coffee Lake setup in this case. I will never give it up, peak aluminum, even if it requires some mods for a modern PC.
Black and White has one of the best game intros for a game, great developer team in its day Lionhead studios
I'm shocked using duct tape wasn't your "brilliant idea" ... very disappointed, lol.
Pretty sure I played with 10FPS and was like "WOW SUCH GREAT GAMEPLAY"
In 2005 i had saved enough money as a 13 year old to build my first pc. The specs: Athlon 64 4000+, 2gb ddr1 ram, Geforce 6600GT 256mb gpu, 74gb WD raptor hdd, ASUS m-atx motherboard. I still use this pc for retro gaming, the only thing i had to replace (4 times already) is the psu.
Wow, that's bad luck with the PSU!
My 2005 era PSU finally died 2 years ago, and it was the cheap no name one that came included with the case 😂
@@volvo09 Until a few years ago I always used the PSUs that came with the case (Aopen PSUs) to keep the PC as original as possible. You can hardly find these anymore, so for 6 years now there has been a Corsair PSU in it that continues to work fine. I am already happy that the HDD still works and the SMART is still OK.
@@Mother_Mercury I wanted one of those raptor drives back then, but I couldn't afford it. Glad to hear you are still using it.
Is the CPU at stock clocks?
Currently using a Seasonic SS-600ET with my mid-2000s Athlon 64 X2 4800+ machine. Same GPU though (an XFX variant).
@@volvo09 I have never overclocked the CPU. I really don't dare to do that now because I don't know how stable the motherboard is. The Athlon 64 4000+ can hardly be overclocked if I understand correctly because it is already on the edge of what the chip can handle. The Raptor has never been a good decision to buy. the hard drive does spin at 10,000 rpm, but it is not really much faster than a 'normal hard drive' and makes a lot of noise. Only the access time is a tiny bit better. I had a 250gb 7200rpm hard drive in this pc for a while, but I didn't notice any difference in loading games.
Small tip for Thingiverse: When it fails to make the zip it will usually let you click the individual files in the list to download them unzipped still.
Or just use a different web browser. I'm keeping three or four different browsers around, just in case.
One thing to remember about that era is that people didn't make as big a deal about frame rates. Most people never even looked at them. You just tried to get the game to a smooth, usable experience and went on from there. This game probably wasn't intended to run higher than 30 FPS and hardly anybody cared. 720p was also a good resolution for the time. 1080p was considered ultra tier, and 720 was one step below that.
This is why I keep all my old hardware and can put together an age appropriate PC going back to 1992 if required. The only issue I have is trying to game on an S3 Virge as it works just as well today as it did back then :D
I bought one of those boards, an AMD Opteron 185 and 2 nVidia GeForce 7950 GTs a few years ago, when they were quite a bit cheaper, but the system never felt really that fast, so it is now collecting dust in my basement until I decide to sell it.
that 100% cpu and 0% gpu smells like software rendering
Probably because the card he's using is not a gaming card.
Oh man, what a trip. I had an Athlon 64 CPU and I was encouraged by Tiger Direct to use XP 64-bit edition, and that was the most horrid experience. Redo video with x32 edition.
@3:25 That's a serial port. Gameports had 15 pins...
Anyone who remembers these is officially old now.
Heck yeah I was. And my system was so bad that HL2 was only a pipe dream, the best I could run was GTA 2. It was a Pentium 2 450MHz, S3Trio vantage and crisp 256MBs of SDR RAM. My HDD had lower capacity than a DVD (4.2GB). This is why I love OG Fallouts so much.
Then I got a new computer in 2008. A laptop with dedicated GPU. It was subsidised by school program, as Czech Republic really needed IT people, and we paid about 15% of the market value. It was a Dell Vostro 1510, not exceptional in any way BUT it had dedicated 8600 GS and Core2Duo at 1.8GHz (that was socketed). I still have this laptop. Upgraded it out the wazoo, it has 4GBs of RAM (used to have 1), 256GB SSD (used to ship with 80GB HDD, then got an upgrade when it failed and Dell only stocked 500GB HDDs) and a 2.4GHz core2Duo. This laptop had an arduous life with me, it could run Mass Effect 3 at like 20FPS so that was fun. But it was constantly RMAd. And before someone goes with "average Dell experience" - I was the only one who had issues at the school. The warranty covered my entire 4 years at the school but due to health (got mono because I was o e of the cool kids who smoked and sometimes not just tobacco so getting foreign saliva in my mouth was common through that method, sadly only that method) I had to repeat last year. The cool part is, I gamed the socks of the laptop in the last year of warranty and the CPU failed. The laws in Czech Republic back then were that replacement product or money back have to be given if there are 3 same failures or 5 different ones, and the new product gets a new warranty that has to be same as you got eith the old one. The laws no longer work this way but they used to. This was the fifth failure. Dell could not give me the money back since I did not pay the full price, government did and they were in that case prohibited from giving me the money (could be subsidy fraud). So they had to give me a new laptop but the issue was that they no longer made a Vostro 1510 with dedicated GPU, so they had to grab a laptop with dedicated GPU in similar price range. That ended up being e6520 with i7 and nvidia NVS 4200M. A unicorn of a laptop that is mere impossible to find today (and I still have it) and was about triple the original price of my Vostro. And the kicker? They let me keep the Vostro too, they just took the faulty CPU. Three months later a friend of mine sold me her Sony Vaio laptop that was dead (and had the aforementioned 2.4GHz CPU) for couple of grams of weed. The new Dell had no issues whatsoever. It now rocks a 1TB SSD and 8GB of RAM. The vostro also since then had no issues whatsoever. So for about $250 I got two laptops that basically were my gaming systems until 2016 when I got my first well paying job and built a Xeon E5 1650 v4/GTX1080 combo (that my employer gave me some money for as I did work from home ever since) that I had as my main PC until recently.
I find it hilarious that I bought HL2 on release and kept it for 4 years until I could play it.
Congrats on 699K subscribers at the time of this writing. Great content. Man back then I could not even imagine let alone dream of graphics like black and white. I was stuck with the family computer a 1998 compaq.
We are indeed absolutely and unequivocally simple men, we enjoy the finer things in life, the absolute decadence that is Dawid content. We thrive in the sublime, the silly, the fun, the tech... we enjoy watching him do tech stuff. We are simple men.
Edit: I originally tried playing Black and White 1 on a computer with no graphics card, I was literally getting 1 frame per minute. I did get a GPU and it's one of my favorite games of all time. :D
I just took an older dell Optiplex office PC and an SSD and loaded Windows XP onto that. I believe XP drivers work on up to 4th gen Intel chips, getting the drivers is the hardest part but I figured it out at one point. Threw in a GT730 which is weak by today’s standards but for a windows XP computer, it’s god tier. All in, it cost me like $60.
Runs everything AMAZINGLY. I love playing my old games like Mechwarrior 3 from time to time.
Meanwhile, I just head over to the PCGamingWiki to find solutions for older games and run them on my current system. If push comes to shove, I'll fire up a VM or PCEm.
That case brings back some memories I remember my Dad built himself a gaming PC in that case with a dual core AMD CPU and dual Nvidia 8600 GPUs in SLI and he played a lot of trackmania nations. I also remember always wanting to play Black and White myself but I never had it or a PC that could run it at the time.
I have almost the same hardware as my XP retro system... but I put it in a modern Fractal Design Pop Air case, RGB case fans, same Wraith Prism CPU cooler and sleeved cable extensions, so it looks like a fancy new PC from the outside but then you realize all the internals are from 2005... Athlon 64 X2 4400+ on a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR, 2GB of DDR-400 and a 7800 GTX I refurbished myself (had a failed VRM MOSFET).
It's a lot of fun to keep this old hardware alive and in a state like it would have been 20 years ago.
The Pop Air is perfect for restomods, I usually get the Fractal Meshify series cheaper, but the CD / DVD drive support of the Pop is worth the extra.
This is also how I got into retro PCs, though in my case it was to play AVP2, which also isn't available for purchase and doesn't play well with modern systems. I started with a Windows XP build, and now I have several retro builds that go all the way back to DOS.
For an optimal XP experience, you want a newer system like a Core 2 Duo or even a Sandy/Ivy Bridge system. You don't really lose any compatibility, and you get far better performance for a MUCH cheaper price. As you found out yourself, most of the period correct stuff goes for an arm and a leg because of collectors. Meanwhile, you can find Core 2 Duo systems in the dumpster. Match it with an appropriate gpu from the same time period (most cards from about 2008 to 2012 can be had for super cheap), you can play games like Black and White 2 on modern resolutions and frame rates.
Whoa whoa whoa - you're telling me you had an ATI card and you had _driver problems_ ?! Bro you can't just go saying that on the internet and expect people to believe you!
:D
Block and white was definitely my favorite! Good god times! 😂
you may have forgotten to install the motherboard drivers first. install motherboard driver>install gpu driver>install audio driver (if mobo driver did not install it yet) should be the order when dealing with older OSes
oh boy, here to watch the funny tech man early
I loved those games! Can't remember which shipped with my "AR/VR" glove that I used to play the game with... Once. It was really cool controlling the hand in the game with my own hand. But it got very heavy very fast keeping your hand suspended in the air in front of you all the time.
I can imagine that getting old fast!
I can't remember what CPU I had but I bought Battlefield 2 and couldn't play it, because my graphics card wasn't able to do Hardware T&L, which was some fancy light and shadow stuff. Because of that I bought two 7800GTX (stock cooler ones) and LOVED playing Battlefield 2.
How long did these beasts remain capable of playing the latest games at the settings you wanted?
@@no1DdC If I remember correctly up until a GTX295.
@@an3k Four years, give or take, is a pretty good run, especially back then. Was the SLI experience as buggy and frustrating as I've heard it to be?
@@no1DdC The cards got really hot but couldn't handle the heat well enough.
At that times, SLI was hell, yes. And back then it often introduced micro-stutter.
Shortly before nVIDIA officially ended SLI it was at its pinnacle and delivered nearly twice the performance, given the game engine is using it correctly. See Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
I havnt had a video make me smile this much in a long time. This was a fantastic idea for a video!!! Loved every minute of this!!!!
Sound Blaster Sound Card, Baby. And an EVGA Liquid Cooled 980TI with a 21% CRT Monitor. It's the ultimate BEAST - or bust...
i have something similar ;-)
On a mini itx Q9400 with 8gb of ddr3.
Just because you can.
yep, why not, but I hope you have a Windows XP 32 bit on it ;-)
Thanks Dawid. Loved B&W when it came out.... man I'm getting old.
This video made me remember my first PC. My grandpa, who worked as a programmer, eventually passed down his old pc to me. The upgrades I did on it led to where I am today when it comes to games and building PCs.
Man I remember playing Day of Defeat source in like 2006 on a Sony Vaio desktop. I think I got like 30fps and thought the experience was great. Still would clap in that and CS: source. This video brought me back. Love your content!
I remember playing black and white on my "top of the line" 2003-2004 build, i legit spent more on that computer than i did on my car at the time.
Good old Pentium 4 extreme and a Radeon 9800xt, i remember bragging to my buddies about how it was 3ghz and had hyperthreading 😂
Was like sitting next to a space heater. Kinda wish i had hung on to the hardware now though, the motherboard alone still goes for like $300, but my friend group has always passed on our older hardware to whoever in the group needed the upgrade. Plus that was also the capacitor plague era so the majority of that hardware died an early death, and it was before i had picked up the soldering skills to change the caps. Was one of my favorite times for pc gaming though, young enough to game half the night after putting in a full day at work, no kids yet to steal my free time, and still willing to live on a ramen diet so i could afford computer parts and new games 😂
back in 04 stationed in Korea I had a bad ass system build with an intel Pentium 4 that would clock well over 4gz. I played a lot of X2
I built a DIY PC for the first time right around 2005. It had a similar motherboard with that copper heatpipe and an Athlon 64 with a Zalman cooler. The airflow on the case was awful. I had to play Oblivion with the side of the case off and a floor fan blowing into the open side of the case. I think i also had an SLI mobo but never got more than one video card. It just wasn't worth it. But i got many nostalgia feels from your video Dawid, thanks! (Especially the ATI video card with the sci-fi lady on it.)
8:40 - if you want maximum strength for the part, you're going to want to print it on its side instead of flat against the bed.
I would also print it in ABS; PLA is likely to warp (pressure at 50-60C is going to warp PLA). PETG will get you a bit more temp resistance, but not much.
Back then I didn’t use onboard audio. Glad you found an audio card 😅 but you got lots of left overs laying around… like me. (I keep all my old parts 😂)
Back in 2004 my friend ordered the Tsunami case you have in the video. It was a day before the big tsunami in Asia hit. He was never allowed to order a case again.
I just found ATI X1950 XTX 512Mb GDDR4 card at recycling centre and had to save it :D Gotta give it some love and see if it works! I mean that GDDR4 in itself is rare AF, such a specimen, beast of ye olden days!
Genuine approval from your parents hahaha that one made me laugh for than it should of.
Hey! Free Spider!
Ah yes, when Hardware T&L was the raytracing of yore. All that hair and grass.
Didn't really get into Black and white, I did play the first one don't think I had heard of them making a sequel.
I had the solid side version of this case with MATCHING silver floppy drive and MATCHING silver dvd writer. I wish I still had that case, it was pretty cool.
@@nephrium wow, getting a matching drive was a rarity!
I still have my 2005 era case, I went with black so my drives would match.
Although I don't have the original mobo in it... It was an AM1 AMD Opteron 144 with a decent overclock, built on a discount when AM2 was out.
I played this exact game, with a pc built in a simillar case too: the thermaltake shark, on a 1600x900 monitor. The pc was pretty high end back then, 512mb vram and all. My grandpa built it for me. Such good memories.
I distinctly remember building a similar system just to play Overlord, I ran it on an Nvidia 5700, a P4 cpu and 256mb of ram. seeing this has made wanna go back and play it again. Thank you Dawid
In 2005, I bought my first custom PC from one of those old school PC shops. I remember bringing it home and the thing wouldn't work. After a couple weeks bringing it back for troubleshooting where it worked fine in their lab every time, it turned out that the problem was I using a USB mouse and keyboard and the motherboard refused to boot without something plugged into the PS/2 ports. All this to say that I'm not surprised a period accurate 2005 PC build was such a headache.
I still have all of those parts, too. I don't know if they work, but I used the giant metal case for my current PC and I love it.
Loads of fun ... But, you kinda shot yourself in the foot with the 64bit XP. Go with a 32bit install and that ATI will work like a champ.
This game needs a remake so bad I miss it so much!!!! I was thinking about doing the same thing you did in this video
This was the perfect project and video for you to do before the holidays. Happy for you!
This is a super interesting video with all this old hardware. Seeing an Athlon 64 under a Wraith cooler is poetic af. AM4 Ryzen fitting the ol 939 socket. Like it was meant to be!
21:58 lollllllllll! A computer that implements dawid even in 2005!!!!
I like having a little insight to Dawid's interests. The sim rig episodes were sweet as a sim racer myself.
Speaking of old games that won't get digital releases, anyone play Mercs 2 on modern PCs?
OMG, I remember having a ThermalTake Tsunami Dream in my Athlon 64 days. I had a DFI LanParty motherboard and UV cold cathode lights. 2005 was a great year.
Damn, I want to go back and play Black & White again. My cousin and I spent dozens of hours playing both the first and second games and they were fantastic!
I think I even still have my old copy of 2 at my parents house somewhere!
I literally buy packs of those motherboards speakers and keep them in my little "junk" drawers. I install one into every PC I build/work on.. A few cents to save so much pain.
I'm all for Dawid building more retro systems and watching him struggle with old tech. Do a win98 system next!
Need a Zalman flower cooler on that beastie.
Enjoyed that one Dawid! Never heard of Black and White. But loved your journey in this vid!
Great video 👌
Built my first PC around this era, maybe 2006-2007. Extremely fond memories of this time!
Damn, tech advanced fast. In 2005, I still had a Pentium 4 1.7Ghz, 256Mb Ram and a Radeon 9000 64Mb 😂. I still have it a storage. Maybe one day will I'll try and find out what's been, all of a sudden in 2007, killing my hdd's, clicking noise of death after a couple of days of use.
What material did you use to print that bracket? I doubt PLA will survive long. PETG might be ok for a while. ABS would be better, or even the CF enforced material. Regardless, I'd try to find an original spare.
I had one of those cases until I slipped and fell on it and cut my head open.
Some of my fonder old school gaming moments of PC involved Carn-Evil and Journeyman: Project Turbo. I hadn't built my own system at that time but I still enjoyed computer gaming.
My mother used to work in a school library and they'd let her bring home discarded systems back then; so began my journey into the world of PC builds ha. Luckily I had guidance from a friend (R.I.P Ray). Been doing it ever since.
Edit: R.I.P IDE HDD's and *actually* floppy floppy disks in the now modern world.
Wow, that brings back some memories! I loved that game! Moved onto Tropico when that came out.
Dawid - Important info for you!!! (You might know this however - if you don't, then this should be very useful for you)
When 3D printing an object which needs to be stronger, there is a fairly simple way to make it so. What you need is an oven which very precise temperature control. You can find many different versions of this, but the most important part is a (IMO) is finding one with a digital readout with a good thermostat and gradual controls down to at least 1 or 2 C. What you then do is look at the temp on the filament you are printing with melts at (should say so on the package) and then put the oven a few C bellow that (And yes - the temp on the package CAN be a bit wrong, so start out with taking it up to 10C bellow the melting temp and then raising it slowly to get closer to the melting temp and then be ready to stop if it looks like the object actually begins to melt)
The trick here is to let it bake for a while and raise the core temp up to close to the melting point, and then SLOWLY letting it cool, a few C at a time. This makes the bond between the layers MUCH stronger. Depending on what you are doing - it is worth the effort since you can run it simultaneously while printing out the "next" object.
Don't use an oven that you're also for food though, since, depending on the filament, the fumes can be quite toxic. If you absolutely have to do this, get something like a small pizza oven.
Really though, if you are using a well-calibrated printer (even a cheap one will suffice - I've managed to outperform printers 20x as expensive with my basic little Nepture 3 Pro) with properly dried filament (get a quality filament dryer with an actual working temperature sensor instead of a fake one; I can recommend creality), all of these issues will just disappear entirely, without the need for additional baking. After drying the filament, store it in air-tight containers (I use plastic cereal boxes with rubber seals) and add a handful of desiccant into each box. When it discolors, change it out. You can also dry the filament during the printing process by feeding it from the dryer - but make sure your printer is able to feed reliably from the dryer first, without dragging it around.
With this dried filament, I've printed parts that are completely indestructible even under enormous stress, for example almost an entire crossbow or handles that are pulled hard dozens of time per day. I recommend PETG instead of PLA or ABS. It's incredibly strong, heat and UV resistant, but it's much easier to print and quite a bit less toxic in terms of fumes than ABS. PLA is the safest (ideal if you're spending a lot of time in the same room as your printer), but inherently weak and will always be suffering from layer adhesion issues. I would only recommend it for aesthetic parts like sculptures.
@@no1DdC Uhm 1: Obviously! If you cook plastic of any kind in an oven - it is no longer safe for cooking food! Thought that was logical to everyone by default!
2: Yeah sure all fine - however baking it still strenghtens the bond between the layers no matter how good your printer is. An industrial printer have a temp controlled environment for a reason. Unless you have one of those - then baking it WILL make it stronger. You might not always need it to be stronger - however for something like this I would consider it a good idea to do so. If you are making parts for a crossbow - I truly don't understand what your argument is! You SHOULD try to make the bonds in as strong as possible - and unless you have an INSANELY expensive printer - I don't get why you wouldn't spend the time and - in comparison - small amount of money on a temperature controlled oven to give it that extra bit of strength.
I don't want to argue about this - just go watch some videos on plastic durability - and how to get the strongest results. It's not "an opinion" - it's what the people who are experts on the subject say. And yes - I'm fully aware that new printers and materials are WAY better than they used to be - and that you don't always need to bake your printed objects - but it all depends on what you are going for, and if you want it to as strong as possible - you should bake it!
Great video! We want more old school builds!
Your so close to 700k!
This was a few years before I got into building things myself. I built my first in 2010 and that had a Phenom 2 965 BE and a 9800 GT. Later swapped out the 9800 GT for a GTX 260 216. That system gave me a lot of hours of fun.
The Thermaltake Tsunami,what a nice case that was-at that time.front was a nice slab of aluminium.
Had the same board and CPU but used a Gainward 7800 GTX GS for about a year before getting another one for some SLI action. The case was from Thermaltake and it was one of the first with a toolless design. It had those green and purple clamps and twisty knobs. Thermaltake Soprano if I remember correctly. The hinged front cover had almost a wave like profile which I found to look so stunning at the time after using greyish beige cases for over ten years. Being able to see the insides of my system was also mind-blowing back then. This PC was in use in my family for almost 6 years, which was unheard of at the time, before one of the GPUs broke and I sold the rest of the system for 100€ 😅 the PC was a beast, great memories ❤
Edit: Have you tried Snappy Driver Installer? Maybe that would have made the whole driver installation process a bit easier? 🤷
13:44 The Canadian GPU won't let you down, Dawid.
It is criminal that this game isn't on Steam or anything
Black and White! I haven't thought of that game in so long! I loved those games! I think you triggered my PTSD of building gaming systems back then. lol
that case is amazing ngl
I first got into computer gaming in 2007. I had a co-worker talk me into trying World Of Warcraft. I dove in about 6 months before the launch of Wrath Of The Lich King. I started out playing it on a cheap Acer laptop running Windows 7. I "upgraded" a few years later to a desktop I built with an AMD A10-5800K APU.
Peak excitement when the 3D printed mounted bracket didn't explode right away, honestly that was gold
I love b&w series so much I wish they’d make another one 🙏
This is taken me back.
I had this exact case but in black. This hardware I grew up with when I first starting learning how to build a PC.
Around that time I was using an older AMD Athlon 1300 with an 8600 GT. Games would have worked decently at 800x600. I remember playing Crysis at bottom barrel 800x600 low settings and being happy I saw 15 fps.
Nothing more nostalgic then driver annoyances and windows xp. Good memories.
I honestly can't remember what I was rocking at that time 😂 I know my first PC had a Socket 939, which very quickly afterwards became obsolete. I'm pretty sure my first GPU was some real budget passively cooled Nvidia card. Could have been a FX5600, that name kinda rings a bell.
I played mainly Counter-Strike 1.5/6, WoW and stuff like that.
I've had a Radeon 4770, with a real nice Waifu cooler on it at some point 😂 I believe I still have that card in storage as well 😅