I was confused between the Vomero & Pegasus, but man you made it possible for me decide within 22 minutes. Thanks for creating such an excellent content. More success to you!
I'm new to running, and I have to say, out of all the channels I've explored over the past month, your videos are by far the most informative. The way you present the information is spot on, with great pacing, smooth editing, and really helpful graphs. Awesome content, man! 🙂 I'm considering the Pegasus 41 and Plus for my runs, but since I'm still building up my skills, I don't feel ready for the Vaporfly just yet. Once I start getting into some races, I'll definitely look into it again. I'm planning to run my first marathon soon, and since my pace will be pretty slow, I think the Peg 41 or Plus will be a better fit for me.
The Peg41 and Peg Plus are a wonderful combo to learn good running form. Lots of feedback from both shoes that will benefit you as you develop a running foundation. The Peg Plus will be a good step into a performance shoe. All you need right now as you are learning. Excellent combo. Thank you for the kind words on the channel. I’m glad it’s helpful. Welcome to running as well. 🤙🏻
So far I love the Peg plus, as I wrote: You have to put the work in, but it holds up whatever you throw against it, be it easy runs, threshhold or some intvervals... As my first full ZoomX shoe I really expected something entire else... like way softer, almost mushy, was surprised how resilient the foam is... But guess what... its so much fun to run in these, to feel the ground while maintaining a superb cushion. From almost 2 years entirely in max cushion shoes and plated shoes... I really missed something like that, its so fun to put the miles into the Peg Plus. Vaporfly 3 I havent run yet, but from the initial step in its the same as with the Peg Plus... expected something different... but feels really really great already. Thanks for your work c:
I'm glad you are enjoying them. It is an interesting perspective you have, coming from the shoes you have been running in. Those of us coming from Nike rotations and the Streak 6/7 to Streakfly...the Peg Plus makes alot of sense right away. Also those of us who ran in the Vaporfly 4% will find the geometry of the Plus familiar as the stack heights are similar, the Plus is just much wider and more stable.
Amazing analysis! I discovered your channel not that long ago and I have learned so much watching your videos. I had a question regarding fast shoes in the rotation. If I am using the Vomero 17 for daily training and the AF3 for race, which one would you recommend if you have to pick one between the Peg Plus and the Vaporfly 3? Or would you recommend having both? I am leaning towards the Vaporfly 3 for fast shoes but I would like to hear your opinion.
I’m glad you are finding value in the channel. Welcome! 🤙🏻 Between the V17 and AF3 you have most things covered. I’d probably lean towards the Peg Plus as having a lower stack, more flexible, non plated shoe for speed workouts…. To balance out your other two shoes would be what I’d recommend. That being said I rotate a P41/Peg Plus/VF3/AF3 as my primary rotation, swapping in two other shoes for track specific work, and find I have no gaps in what I need. So… both shoes are great and have a purposes… depending on the distances you run and the type of speed work you are looking to do.
Great video as always. As an Adidas rotation guy, I wish they'd fill that slot the Peg Plus hits, with something fully/mostly Lightstrike Pro, but without a plate/rods. But a little thicker/more protective than the Adios 8 (which I love). Basically a Takumi/Boston without rods as a nice up-tempo shoe to get more flexibility and training stimulus but still with bounce and protection. I'm holding out hope this is what the leaked Adios 9 is going to be, and I can see all your would-be "vs." videos now!
Yes, I'm holding out hope that will be what the A9 is as well. So far everything I've seen points to it being that....though it's unknown if there is a midfoot shank or not. But the SL2/TS10/AP3 or SNR/TS10/A9/AP4 will cover the exact same ground as what I go over in this video. Infact when the AP4 and A9 are out I expect to be making a VERY similar video to this for Adidas... Also the Peg Plus vs A9 comparison will be one of the most important of the year... Exciting things ahead for them.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the good summary. I'm currently juggling what feels like a couple too many models with the SNR/A8/B12/PX2/AP3. Really loving the Prime X 2 though for both tempo and long runs. Time will tell if the leg-saving benefits have also been robbing me of adaptation/improvement
That is a lot…. Definitely can be streamlined along my first comment… but also there are some fun shoes in there… for sure! It’s always hard to choose one’s favorite. 🤩
The breakdowns are superb as always! I think personally I enjoy the Vomero 17 for a Nike rotation daily over the Peg41 for the sole reason that during the colder months of the year in north eastern United States I find that ZoomX feels almost the same or has negligible effect compared to react where I find the ride is changed by a pretty dramatic amount.
Makes sense. After years in NYC and many a winter in React foam...I fell you. I'm curious how ReactX will behave in cold. It is still a TPU material but the cell structure of the foam is very different... I'll be looking for reports this winter on it.
@@SagasuRunningIf ReactX does perform much better in the cold I think I’ll be extremely happy and happily buy the 41. The 41 will be something i’m looking for during the warmer months. Only downside with the Vomero is its only job really is just a cruiser. I guess in theory a peg plus probably helps the Vomero look more appealing now as just a daily since a lot of faster stuff can be done in the Peg+.
@dickhead7348 Ya the Peg Plus fills in a gap the Nike training lineup has had for a while now. Winter will tell us how ReactX does in cold… sadly (actually luckily) it’s not something I’ll get to experience here in Taiwan. It rarely drops below 50F in the winter and when it does it’s only overnight and considered “extreme cold”… that doesn’t count. 😂
@@SagasuRunningNow we just wait for the Adios 9 the hero we all need lol. I bet the New Yorker in you enjoys every moment of those 50 degree nights 😂
@dickhead7348 Yes, can’t wait for the A9. 50F mornings are a little cold for my taste now. One of the big reasons I left the Northeast is that I’m done with cold…😂
I just bought the streakfly after thinking about the Pegasus plus . Keen for a lightweight trainer , dont care about durability , will use the streakfly twice a week for 7.5 km runs , easyish pace , hoping the sreakfly be flexible and good for easy runs too
Great video. In a marathon build do you run the Plus or the AF3/VF3 on your long (16+) easy runs? I assume you run the race show on dress rehearsals but for all the other LRs
Long and easy (25-30k) I would do in the standard Pegasus, though I would consider the Plus now (but likely would still use the Peg41 due to the cushioning system). Long runs with pace in them I would do in the VF or AF. Important workouts and race simulations I'd use whatever shoe I'm going to race in.
Dear Chris, are you planning to share a comparison between the vaporfly and alphafly now that you have gotten the shoes (alphafly)?, I would love to hear your data plotted at your matrix! Greetings from Mexico amigo !
Unless for a real Nike Fans, I agreed with Thomas in Believe in the Run said. The Pegasus Plus is a very good speed training shoes or even a race shoes but it should come in 2020/2021. There is so many options, probably better options, from Adidas, Saucony, Asics, Hoka... in the market these days and their prices are more competitive.
I don’t agree as for performance…. I’ve done those comparisons videos… price is a non issue for me (which is why I rarely talk about it on this channel).
@@SagasuRunning anyway I will buy a pair of the "new" Pegasus turbo. I am not a Nike fans but I am a Pegasus turbo fans. I have ran on the 1st and the 2nd versions in my first 3 marathons.
Nostalgia is a thing with the old Turbos. They were good…. But not THAT good. All that being said l, the Peg Plus is an excellent performance trainer. Very familiar to those who ran in the old Turbos but also very modern in construction and performance.
You've talked a few times about building a rotation in a single brand, I remember a lot of Adidas talk a couple of months ago. I find the idea unappealing somehow. I think it's that I like the idea of mixing and matching from different brands, just like I would with regular clothing. I even try to avoid wearing running clothes and shoes by the same brand at the same time, because it's too like wearing a uniform. Is there any tangible performance benefit to keeping your rotation within one Nike or Adidas, or do you think it's more psychological/aesthetic?
We are completely opposite in this regard. I streamline everything (in my life) down to one or two brands. In order not to mix anything if I can, with literally everything I work with, run with, live with. As for running shoes… as a designer I like to understand and feel the design intent of how products are designed to work together. I will rarely mix brands in a running rotation, at least one when I’m seriously training for something. Casual running, it is fine though.
As a former college miler I’ve been keeping an eye on the rotation of Nike’s 1500m pros. It seems like both Hocker and Ingebrigtsen really like the Structure as their easy shoe, with Hocker using it for most workouts as well while Ingebrigtsen opts for vaporflies. I’ve seen Ingebrigtsen in pegs, vomeros, and invincibles as well but more and more the structures while not using the zoom flies as much as in prior years. Interesting that these guys have 2-3 shoe rotations and also that they haven’t incorporated the peg plus. Will be keeping an eye out to see if they do.
I'm keeping my eye out on this too. More the Japanese Nike marathoners...but am paying attention to some of the Nike track athletes. Japanese Nike marathoners tend to train nearly exclusively in Pegs, with the occasional Vomero 17...they VF3s for workouts and AF3s for key long runs, lots of Dragonflys on the track for them too. I've definitely seen Hocker and Ingebrigtsen in them. He was in Zoom Fly 4s for a long time too, which I found odd. I've seen Conner Mantz in Streakflys quite a bit, as well as Pegs, never Structures. I know Structures are popular trainers in alot of American college teams. With the Olympics just wrapping most athletes are either wrapping up their seasons or taking a well earned rest. By the fall we should see some back out training and see where they slot the Peg Plus in. I'm very curious.
@@SagasuRunning I have a good running friend who works for Nike and so gives me use of their family and friends discount (44%). I train daily in VF3 and race and do longer runs in AF3. The only shoe I would consider to swap to daily use is the new Peg +. I saw it today and had a feel in the nearby nike outlet. One was on display. It felt very nice and I think I will get a pair for autumn and winter. My current VF3s have done just under 800km and I run a lot on gravel paths. They have been fine until this week, but they are now past their best.
Have you tried the ultrafly? My fav zoomx shoe, actually fav shoe ever (and I don’t want the plate, and I run mostly road). Best application of the foam, better than peg plus (and I like peg plus). Interesting to see your comparison of the two shoes
Yes, I have the Ultrafly. It's too way too heavy for any type of road running. I run alot of trail as well, but all I have here is very steep and technical, exactly the type of trail the UF isn't great for. I have a review of the UF on the channel. What's interesting though, there is quite a bit of UF DNA in the Plus. The sculpting of the midsole sidewalls of the UF is developed further in the Plus. Also the fabric coating that is around the ZoomX in the UF, that channels the ZoomX rebound up and down (instead of out) is also in the Plus. The fabric coating is not on the Plus's ZoomX, but the midsole is engineered to give the up/down rebound of the UF. The platform and dimensions of the two shoes are similar too. You can tell Nike learned alot from the UF. Think of the Plus as a true road version of the UF...it's far far better for that application.
@@SagasuRunning as you write that, I remembered your review on the UF. I'm not competitive anymore so the weight of the UF is farther down on my list, but I do wonder if they had marketed it as a road trainer (obviously the vibram isn't necessary), what the reception would have been, because it seems tepid, or at least too niche for the engineering/technology they put into it, and price point. It seems like there is a faint coating or a paint application on the Peg+ that mimics the cloth. To your comment on learning from the UF into Peg+, Zoomx is a high payoff foam, that has been very volatile and each iteration seems to learn from the previous and get better and better. Also, commenting on your video, interesting to see the bottom view side to side- The VF3 is curve-lasted adding to the turnover speed whereas the Peg+ is fairly strait-lasted adding to the stability (obviously in a lightweight trained, the add is minimal not like the Structure, but it enhances the stability)
@Rich-zb7vc The UF, designed as a Weatern States race shoe/super shoe… makes total sense. If you aren’t racing States and/or don’t have their terrain it has fast diminishing returns. I do agree, if the UF lost some weight and had a ride outsole… it would have been popular. I have no doubt that the UF and PP were developed concurrently and both projects learned from one another. Now that you point all of this out I may just have to do a design video on the UF and PP…. Hmmm? 🤔
@Rich-zb7vc I’d need access to Nike’s product team (working on it) to get the asker-c numbers…. But I will say I know the ZoomX in the UF is the same as what is in the VF/AF and is not the more rubberized ZoomX like is in the PP/SF/Invincible 3. I’ll think about it and see what I can put together. It’s an interesting product design topic.
If I'm building a 3 shoe rotation but budget is a concern for me, will the upcoming zoom fly 6 be a gd alternative to the vf3? Or is the plus alone be enough to cover both tempo training and actual race day.
Thats up to you, what distances you race and what priority you put on your running/racing. A $170 ZF6 vs a 250 VF3, while that is $80...over the lifetime of the shoe, is it really that much more? Again, I can't say...it's up to you and your priorities. On paper a shoe like the ZF6 is Nike's budget racer and tempo trainer. In reality, I honestly don't think much of it as I'd rather use a older super shoe (understood on budget though) or the Peg Plus for trianing. The Peg Plus is a good racer for shorter distances, I would have no concern using it as a budget racer for 5/10ks and maybe a half...but anymore than that I'd want a plated shoe. You could do worst than a daily trainer/ZF6...but you can do alot better as well (even in a budget). Last years super shoes will be around the same price. You can get a Adidas Adios Pro 3 on sale in many places and that will be an infinitely better tempo trainer or racer than something like a Zoom Fly 6 or Magic Speed 4.
Even a 2 shoe rotation is a good daily trainer and a good super shoe will be better than a 2 shoe rotation is a shoe like the ZF6 as your race shoe. Trainer fine, but not race shoe. You spend the same on the 2 shoe rotation.
Hello, Great content! Which nike shoe would you recommend as a daily walking shoe? I was looking at the vomero 17, peg trail, or invicible 3, but i am open to any nike! Thanks for any help!
Depends on what you want. The Peg41 is my go to for casual wear, the right mix of not too much foam and it looks good. If you want big and bouncy the Invincible 3 is the one. The Peg Trail 5 is maybe a mix of the two and a great fall/winter outsole. There will also be a Peg 41 GoreTex soon…. Another great fall/winter option.
used vf3 + pegasus plus is my goto now for fast days. previously using the puma deviate nitro elite was my fast shoe. i really like to try the vomero 17, haven't had a good trainer for a while. question on the nike streakfly, it didn't work for me surprising, but i think it was one size too big and never had good lockdown. any thoughts?
If the Streakfly was too big, especially a full size, you would of had an awful experience with it. However, if your Peg Plus fits your foot and you enjoy the fit...you are all good. No reason for a Streakfly. The Peg Plus is everything the Streakfly was but in a more durable and stable package.
@@SagasuRunning Yeah, I guess the Plus fills the gap. I recently tried the Streakfly at the store in 1/2 size smaller and it felt like a perfect fit, so the experience in my size was not ideal. I actually wish the Plus had a smaller base like the vaporfly.
@robertw4918 Thet wider base makes the Plus more stable… which is a great option for training. If you want a more agile “flat”, though not in ZoomX, look at the Rival Fly 4. It’s a great, non plated, traditional flat.
If I were to build an all Nike lineup I’d go Daily: I3 Tempo: Peg Plus Race day: AF3 The I3 could also work as a tempo long run shoe its way more versatile than the Vomero for me and we would be all ZoomX™️ 😎
That’s another valid option you like big and bouncy. I know a few who use this exact rotation. We shall see what the upcoming Vomero Plus bring to the table and where Nike take the Invincible 4.
Considering getting a peg+, had a pair of streakflys and mostly loved them besides feeling a bit too soft and low durability. Wondering if these solve those issues
Really interesting comparison! What’s your opinion on the Superblast vs the Peg Plus? The peg looks miles better in my opinion but the Superblast could cover both the VF3 and Peg Plus in one show. For reference I’m doing 10km races at the moment and looking to jump up to Half Marathons in 2025
You know, I've been getting this question a bunch lately. To be honest, the comparison never crosses my mind as the two shoes are very different. Is it that they both are plateless and superfoamed? In my mind the Peg Plus is the better shoe. I'm not even being all Nike fanboy here. The Peg Plus has a better foam (even the rubberized ZoomX is better), a neutral and flexible midsole, more ground feel, traditional geometry and way less bulk. I've done longer MP (5k blocks) to 200s in it and it is excellent at both and everything in between. As far as a non-plated performance trainer that sits between a daily trainer and a plated race shoe, that can handle a wide range of workouts, it currently can't be equaled. Now, I do enjoy the Superblast 2...but it has a much narrow use case. If I'm specifically working on a build for a marathon and I need a non-plated shoe option for some (most?) of my long runs, that can do MP well, that is 100% a SB2. Anything not that exact use case... there is a better option, from Asics or otherwise. I can't imagine doing 200s or 400s in a SB2...even reps of 1k or under are a chore. But a 8-16k block(s) of MP with some easy recovery between...nothing better. I could do that in a Peg Plus and do it well...but the SB2 is the better option. Both are not my pick for easy of casual running...though if I had to pick I'd go with the Peg Plus... ligher, more flexible, less rocker...thats what I want for that type of shoe.
@@SagasuRunningthank you that’s pretty much summed up my thought without even realising. As a heavier runner it’s easy to think I might need the bigger stack and max cushion but I have always preferred the lower and more nimble shoes that can handle the shorter distances primarily Thank you for your help
@@ltlegacy The Evo SL may be a great shoe for you then. LSP will support your heavier weight, while still giving you a “low’ish” stack and ground feel…. It will be one to watch for you for sure. 👍🏻
@@ltlegacy Unknown… I need to test them head to head to see. I can see geometry and assume feel from the foams that, in my mind, set them apart… but I need to run in them to really know.
LOL sensitive toes. Me too, I guess. I never thought of it that way but I have lost a lot of toenails on big toe and the next “index?” toe over the years.
If a shoe doesn’t fit well… my big toe nail will immediately let me know. It is mostly why I dislike bootie uppers…. Unless the fit is dialed (which is rare).
BTW. The flyknit 4% was worse than the original 4% IMO. The engineered mesh upper that the original 4% had which was super-similar to the Streak 7 but with a redesigned heel collar was better. The Flyknit bothered my toes.
I agree. I liked the engineered mesh upper from the streak 6/7. I ran in the OG 4% but spent more time in the FK 4% I even have a pair of Next% with the streak 7 engineered mesh upper, from the first round custom Next%, Nike offered. It was too good to run in much… it’s in storage in the States.
Unclear at the moment. ZoomX is typically good for around 150mi of optimal/racing use and another 150-200mi+ of training, often more. So it should… but that is also dependent on how quickly you wear the outsole. I’ll do a check in on durability after 100mi (160k).
I honestly dont get the zoom fly 5 hate i personally love it for speed day sessions i definitely agree on the streak fly however…one fast shoe that wasn’t mentioned is the Nike tempo i rotate that for speed day as well
The ZF5 is heavy, bulky and very poorly considered. Especially given the history of the previous 4 models in the series. The ZF5 became a brick it was. It also has no run feel connection to the VF or AF...which makes training in it pointless. That is why most dislike the shoe...
I’m still torn between vaporfly 3 or asics magic speed 4 for my speed session, any suggestions? (I’m currently rocking pegasus 38 & novablast 3 for dailies)
I really like the Peg Plus in its ability to go grocery shopping AND great runs right after, no switching shoes. (very comfortable and quite stable) Can the same be said for the Vaporfly 3?
The Pegasus Plus, a welcomed headache. This complicates the new rotation purchase and fresh build. Team SR, help! Do we go Nike or do we go Asics? Pegasus 41, Pegasus Plus, Vaporfly 3 (Bonus Invincible 3) vs Novablast 4, Superblast 2, Metaspeed Paris (Bonus Noosa Tri 16).
Both will work, though the Nike rotation is more well rounded and capable of any road racing distance. The Asics is really a marathon rotation only. Can't go wrong with either.
Would this work for a marathon training rotation? Or should I consider adding more options? - Daily: Peg 41 - Fast/shorter: Peg Plus - Fast/longer/Race: Vaporfly 3
If you will be racing the marathon in the VF3, yes...this is exactly what I'd do. However, if i was to race a marathon int he next year (I'm likely not) I would likely race it in the AF3. So I'd actually want the 4 shoe rotation i showed in this video as I'd still depend on the VF3 for alot of fast workouts and want to rotate it with the Plus.
Any opinion on the durability (approx milage) of the shoes? I know the Peg 41 is the most follows by the +! I know you made a comment about the VF 3 and AF3 being surprisingly durable?
I’ve had excellent durability from the VF3 since last year. I did a video on VF3 durability if you look through my channel, some things to consider. I’m finding the AF3 also durable, though I’m only about 40k into them. So far impressive. The Peg41 is turning out to be the most durable Peg in years…. 240k into them and the outsole has plenty to go. The Peg Plus is an unknown. I know that formula of ZoomX last a decent amount and the outsole is the same material as the 41…. So we will see.
My net takeaway is there’s very little difference between the performance of these shoes other than price and that the Peg Plus is likely far more durable over time.
At shorter distance, like the test workout I pulled the data from, yes. However, the VF3 will come into it's own after (at least) 16-20k, especially at pace. A quote I often come back to about super shoes is this, "Supershoes don’t make you faster, they allow you to maintain your speed for longer periods of time."
Hi! Great review! But WHY does peg plus and VF3 have so much foam "behind" the heal. If ur a forefoot-runner, that is just extra weight...? Guess ur the man to xplain this =)
I've actually covered this in a few videos, this one gets into the "zoning" Nike is doing with the AF and VF midsoles: th-cam.com/video/a-BeVW1ZNLw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XkiQYToJpG0dOCyf It is all about transitions. Even if Nike super shoes (and most super shoes actually) have a forefoot bias....forefoot strikers still heel strike at some point (fatigue, course terrain, corners) so that is there to capture the heel and move the foot smoothly to the forefoot. It also is there as the shoe will be bought and used by midfoot and heel strikers as well.
Not really…. But there will be a shoe coming from Nike soon that will be…. The Streakfly 2. As there will be a shoe from Adidas to compare directly to the Peg Plus…. The Adios 9. I cannot wait for both.
Sadly, Nike is arriving way too late for my rotation. None of the new Pegs have released yet and the VF3 released recently for $360. I paid almost half that for my AP3 last year (admittedly, they were discounted). I may entertain the notion of eventually picking up a pair of 41s to rotate with the Rise, especially if my recent toe blisters turn out to be more than just coincidence.
Adidas has nearly the same rotation. The SL2/TS10/AP3 combo covers all of the same basis. The SNR/A9/TS10/AP4 combo will be even better for marathon training in 2025.
Thanks for the review. A ripper. A bit of quid pro quo…as a film maker I’d advise breaking up your background to improve the quality of the look of your videos . 😊
You know. I've worked quite a bit to strip my videos down to as minimal as I can possibly get them. The workflow and production flow I use took me quite some time to get consistent (I setup and break down for every video). This video did have quite a few long segments with the same graphic, which is something I do try to avoid, but I wanted to get the info out first. I use motion graphics VERY sparingly as I often find them distracting for what I do here. Static images I find better as people don't need to pause and I can talk over them (years of agency presentations and slide decks I guess). What I do here on TH-cam, isn't broadcast design...so I don't want things moving around all the time. I am conscious of it all though. You highlighted the right thing for me. Behind the scenes I'm actually cleaning up alot of lighting and audio too...to strip the videos down even more.
@michaelormondrobinson My wife has multiple plants shoe would love me to put back there. I used to have a plant on the channel in my early videos. The main issue is the “wall” behind me is a backdrop, not a wall, and I’m only about 10cm away from it (limited space). Maybe a plant will appear though… Thank you for the kind words on the content! 🤙🏻
Nike using a second formula of ZoomX for their trainers is not here. The Peg Plus has the same foam as the Invincible and Streakfly have had. It’s hardly rock hard… I’ve been quite enjoying the shoe for workouts, works exceptionally well with great feel and energy return for my feet.
@TheSiameseDreamer I don’t understand how they are hard. Our feet all individually feel things differently but the Peg Plus is anything but firm. I find it nearly ideal for that I want for speed work. Soft and stable…
Zoom Fly 5 is such a brick of a shoe. 😂 I hope the Zoom Fly 6 is better. My ideal rotation based on the current Nike line up: Walking/Jog: Vomero 17 (I love this shoe) Daily: Peg Plus Fast/ 5-10k racing: Vaporfly 3 21-42k Racing: AF 3 Expensive line-up too. 😂
I don't have any hope (or interest) in the Zoom Fly series anymore...the ZF4 ended it fully. I won't be covering the ZF6. It's in the same category with the MS4 for me, a shoe I don't need. ZoomX is an expensive material. But, oh so good.
Well.. interesting perspective. I think the workout comparison is not that relevant.. you were rested and the distance was small. I can run a fast 1k even in the Nike Coffin (Zoom Fly 5). I do train in them..nothing more proficient at not helping me run faster :). If you want more relevance, try the 200-400m intervals with high repeats. Or something above 10k. Towards the end of the workouts you might notice dead foam under your feet in the Peg plus. The matrix is interesting. Very interesting! You might need a new one for distance / workout type. For example..I am sure that peg plus is not that good at 10k pace for anything above 5k. While the vaporfly is. Building a full nike rotation.. hmm.. maybe next decade.
Yes, the workout is a test workout, not an actual workout. However, it is very relevant as those are the types of paces I'd need a shoe to cover in training. I actually have 200s in the workout too, which I'll cover in the larger data video. I often used the Streakfly for workouts like 10x400 or 15x200, mostly on the road, sometimes on the track. Based on that work I'm very confident that the Peg Plus will be a better option for that work. The VF3 is often faster, especially for 400s and 800s, but again it's about training stimulus. Having the option between the two, plated and non-plated, is whats important here.
@@SagasuRunning It’s an extremely easy perspective to understand. Sure in 1983 the Pegasus was the gold standard…but it’s 2024 now. I’d let you pick 10 shoe reviewers of your choosing and id bet not one would pick the peg 41 as “the gold standard” of a daily training shoe in 2024. So ya..and the sales figures really back that up too. Good shoes to buy groceries in though..as Demosthenes said, “Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what every man wishes, that he also believes to be true.” Great video though!!
Well… I’m not any other reviewer and I know what works for me and what helps me maintain healthy feet. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and tastes. That being said…. The Pegasus is still the gold standard…. For me at least. Any other trainer need to better it… so far only a handful have, even the the Pegasus is the one I constantly reach for as the feel is spot on and so so good.
@@SagasuRunningsame. I tried a Novablast 4s and kept getting bad knee pain almost every run that would put me out for a few days. Got peg41s and the pain is going away and I’ve been able to run every day while it’s still healing.
Again, I wouldn't. ZoomX is a delicate material and doesn't like side to side cuts, kicking balls and other rough things that come from team sports. I would stick with the Nike Pegasus 41 if you want an all round PE class style shoe.
Can't get enough of your matrices. It's a great tool for building one's rotation.
A member perk is coming where you get PDFs of them....because of your suggestion. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning Staying tuned 👍
I was confused between the Vomero & Pegasus, but man you made it possible for me decide within 22 minutes. Thanks for creating such an excellent content. More success to you!
I'm glad this was useful. Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
Amazing stats and data....well done again. Very happy with my purchase of the Pegasus Plus.
I'm happy to hear that. It's a very special shoe!
I'm new to running, and I have to say, out of all the channels I've explored over the past month, your videos are by far the most informative. The way you present the information is spot on, with great pacing, smooth editing, and really helpful graphs. Awesome content, man! 🙂
I'm considering the Pegasus 41 and Plus for my runs, but since I'm still building up my skills, I don't feel ready for the Vaporfly just yet. Once I start getting into some races, I'll definitely look into it again. I'm planning to run my first marathon soon, and since my pace will be pretty slow, I think the Peg 41 or Plus will be a better fit for me.
The Peg41 and Peg Plus are a wonderful combo to learn good running form. Lots of feedback from both shoes that will benefit you as you develop a running foundation. The Peg Plus will be a good step into a performance shoe. All you need right now as you are learning. Excellent combo.
Thank you for the kind words on the channel. I’m glad it’s helpful. Welcome to running as well. 🤙🏻
So far I love the Peg plus, as I wrote: You have to put the work in, but it holds up whatever you throw against it, be it easy runs, threshhold or some intvervals...
As my first full ZoomX shoe I really expected something entire else... like way softer, almost mushy, was surprised how resilient the foam is...
But guess what... its so much fun to run in these, to feel the ground while maintaining a superb cushion.
From almost 2 years entirely in max cushion shoes and plated shoes... I really missed something like that, its so fun to put the miles into the Peg Plus.
Vaporfly 3 I havent run yet, but from the initial step in its the same as with the Peg Plus... expected something different... but feels really really great already.
Thanks for your work c:
I'm glad you are enjoying them. It is an interesting perspective you have, coming from the shoes you have been running in. Those of us coming from Nike rotations and the Streak 6/7 to Streakfly...the Peg Plus makes alot of sense right away. Also those of us who ran in the Vaporfly 4% will find the geometry of the Plus familiar as the stack heights are similar, the Plus is just much wider and more stable.
Amazing analysis! I discovered your channel not that long ago and I have learned so much watching your videos. I had a question regarding fast shoes in the rotation. If I am using the Vomero 17 for daily training and the AF3 for race, which one would you recommend if you have to pick one between the Peg Plus and the Vaporfly 3? Or would you recommend having both? I am leaning towards the Vaporfly 3 for fast shoes but I would like to hear your opinion.
I’m glad you are finding value in the channel. Welcome! 🤙🏻
Between the V17 and AF3 you have most things covered. I’d probably lean towards the Peg Plus as having a lower stack, more flexible, non plated shoe for speed workouts…. To balance out your other two shoes would be what I’d recommend.
That being said I rotate a P41/Peg Plus/VF3/AF3 as my primary rotation, swapping in two other shoes for track specific work, and find I have no gaps in what I need.
So… both shoes are great and have a purposes… depending on the distances you run and the type of speed work you are looking to do.
Great video as always. As an Adidas rotation guy, I wish they'd fill that slot the Peg Plus hits, with something fully/mostly Lightstrike Pro, but without a plate/rods. But a little thicker/more protective than the Adios 8 (which I love).
Basically a Takumi/Boston without rods as a nice up-tempo shoe to get more flexibility and training stimulus but still with bounce and protection.
I'm holding out hope this is what the leaked Adios 9 is going to be, and I can see all your would-be "vs." videos now!
Yes, I'm holding out hope that will be what the A9 is as well. So far everything I've seen points to it being that....though it's unknown if there is a midfoot shank or not.
But the SL2/TS10/AP3 or SNR/TS10/A9/AP4 will cover the exact same ground as what I go over in this video. Infact when the AP4 and A9 are out I expect to be making a VERY similar video to this for Adidas...
Also the Peg Plus vs A9 comparison will be one of the most important of the year...
Exciting things ahead for them.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the good summary. I'm currently juggling what feels like a couple too many models with the SNR/A8/B12/PX2/AP3.
Really loving the Prime X 2 though for both tempo and long runs. Time will tell if the leg-saving benefits have also been robbing me of adaptation/improvement
That is a lot…. Definitely can be streamlined along my first comment… but also there are some fun shoes in there… for sure!
It’s always hard to choose one’s favorite. 🤩
Super Training shoes! I will buy It!
Super shoe and performance trainer here...
The breakdowns are superb as always! I think personally I enjoy the Vomero 17 for a Nike rotation daily over the Peg41 for the sole reason that during the colder months of the year in north eastern United States I find that ZoomX feels almost the same or has negligible effect compared to react where I find the ride is changed by a pretty dramatic amount.
Makes sense. After years in NYC and many a winter in React foam...I fell you. I'm curious how ReactX will behave in cold. It is still a TPU material but the cell structure of the foam is very different... I'll be looking for reports this winter on it.
@@SagasuRunningIf ReactX does perform much better in the cold I think I’ll be extremely happy and happily buy the 41. The 41 will be something i’m looking for during the warmer months. Only downside with the Vomero is its only job really is just a cruiser. I guess in theory a peg plus probably helps the Vomero look more appealing now as just a daily since a lot of faster stuff can be done in the Peg+.
@dickhead7348 Ya the Peg Plus fills in a gap the Nike training lineup has had for a while now.
Winter will tell us how ReactX does in cold… sadly (actually luckily) it’s not something I’ll get to experience here in Taiwan. It rarely drops below 50F in the winter and when it does it’s only overnight and considered “extreme cold”… that doesn’t count. 😂
@@SagasuRunningNow we just wait for the Adios 9 the hero we all need lol. I bet the New Yorker in you enjoys every moment of those 50 degree nights 😂
@dickhead7348 Yes, can’t wait for the A9. 50F mornings are a little cold for my taste now. One of the big reasons I left the Northeast is that I’m done with cold…😂
Very interesting! Thank you!
Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
Interesting comparison. Thanks
Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
I just bought the streakfly after thinking about the Pegasus plus . Keen for a lightweight trainer , dont care about durability , will use the streakfly twice a week for 7.5 km runs , easyish pace , hoping the sreakfly be flexible and good for easy runs too
If you don't care about durability...the Streakfly will be ideal for what you plan to do with it. Enjoy them.
Great video. In a marathon build do you run the Plus or the AF3/VF3 on your long (16+) easy runs? I assume you run the race show on dress rehearsals but for all the other LRs
Long and easy (25-30k) I would do in the standard Pegasus, though I would consider the Plus now (but likely would still use the Peg41 due to the cushioning system). Long runs with pace in them I would do in the VF or AF. Important workouts and race simulations I'd use whatever shoe I'm going to race in.
Dear Chris, are you planning to share a comparison between the vaporfly and alphafly now that you have gotten the shoes (alphafly)?, I would love to hear your data plotted at your matrix! Greetings from Mexico amigo !
Yes, I will be doing a 50mile review of the AF3 and a AF3 vs VF3 video in early/mid Sept...it's coming. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
Hello
Thank you for the review.
Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
Unless for a real Nike Fans, I agreed with Thomas in Believe in the Run said. The Pegasus Plus is a very good speed training shoes or even a race shoes but it should come in 2020/2021. There is so many options, probably better options, from Adidas, Saucony, Asics, Hoka... in the market these days and their prices are more competitive.
I don’t agree as for performance…. I’ve done those comparisons videos… price is a non issue for me (which is why I rarely talk about it on this channel).
@@SagasuRunning anyway I will buy a pair of the "new" Pegasus turbo. I am not a Nike fans but I am a Pegasus turbo fans. I have ran on the 1st and the 2nd versions in my first 3 marathons.
Nostalgia is a thing with the old Turbos. They were good…. But not THAT good. All that being said l, the Peg Plus is an excellent performance trainer. Very familiar to those who ran in the old Turbos but also very modern in construction and performance.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for your advice
You've talked a few times about building a rotation in a single brand, I remember a lot of Adidas talk a couple of months ago.
I find the idea unappealing somehow. I think it's that I like the idea of mixing and matching from different brands, just like I would with regular clothing.
I even try to avoid wearing running clothes and shoes by the same brand at the same time, because it's too like wearing a uniform.
Is there any tangible performance benefit to keeping your rotation within one Nike or Adidas, or do you think it's more psychological/aesthetic?
We are completely opposite in this regard. I streamline everything (in my life) down to one or two brands. In order not to mix anything if I can, with literally everything I work with, run with, live with.
As for running shoes… as a designer I like to understand and feel the design intent of how products are designed to work together. I will rarely mix brands in a running rotation, at least one when I’m seriously training for something. Casual running, it is fine though.
As a former college miler I’ve been keeping an eye on the rotation of Nike’s 1500m pros. It seems like both Hocker and Ingebrigtsen really like the Structure as their easy shoe, with Hocker using it for most workouts as well while Ingebrigtsen opts for vaporflies. I’ve seen Ingebrigtsen in pegs, vomeros, and invincibles as well but more and more the structures while not using the zoom flies as much as in prior years. Interesting that these guys have 2-3 shoe rotations and also that they haven’t incorporated the peg plus. Will be keeping an eye out to see if they do.
I'm keeping my eye out on this too. More the Japanese Nike marathoners...but am paying attention to some of the Nike track athletes. Japanese Nike marathoners tend to train nearly exclusively in Pegs, with the occasional Vomero 17...they VF3s for workouts and AF3s for key long runs, lots of Dragonflys on the track for them too.
I've definitely seen Hocker and Ingebrigtsen in them. He was in Zoom Fly 4s for a long time too, which I found odd. I've seen Conner Mantz in Streakflys quite a bit, as well as Pegs, never Structures. I know Structures are popular trainers in alot of American college teams.
With the Olympics just wrapping most athletes are either wrapping up their seasons or taking a well earned rest. By the fall we should see some back out training and see where they slot the Peg Plus in. I'm very curious.
@@SagasuRunning I have a good running friend who works for Nike and so gives me use of their family and friends discount (44%). I train daily in VF3 and race and do longer runs in AF3. The only shoe I would consider to swap to daily use is the new Peg +. I saw it today and had a feel in the nearby nike outlet. One was on display. It felt very nice and I think I will get a pair for autumn and winter. My current VF3s have done just under 800km and I run a lot on gravel paths. They have been fine until this week, but they are now past their best.
@JMC2727 I would make sure you do some training in non plated shoes… your feet will thank you. 🙏🏻
Have you tried the ultrafly? My fav zoomx shoe, actually fav shoe ever (and I don’t want the plate, and I run mostly road). Best application of the foam, better than peg plus (and I like peg plus). Interesting to see your comparison of the two shoes
Yes, I have the Ultrafly. It's too way too heavy for any type of road running. I run alot of trail as well, but all I have here is very steep and technical, exactly the type of trail the UF isn't great for.
I have a review of the UF on the channel.
What's interesting though, there is quite a bit of UF DNA in the Plus. The sculpting of the midsole sidewalls of the UF is developed further in the Plus. Also the fabric coating that is around the ZoomX in the UF, that channels the ZoomX rebound up and down (instead of out) is also in the Plus. The fabric coating is not on the Plus's ZoomX, but the midsole is engineered to give the up/down rebound of the UF. The platform and dimensions of the two shoes are similar too. You can tell Nike learned alot from the UF. Think of the Plus as a true road version of the UF...it's far far better for that application.
@@SagasuRunning as you write that, I remembered your review on the UF. I'm not competitive anymore so the weight of the UF is farther down on my list, but I do wonder if they had marketed it as a road trainer (obviously the vibram isn't necessary), what the reception would have been, because it seems tepid, or at least too niche for the engineering/technology they put into it, and price point. It seems like there is a faint coating or a paint application on the Peg+ that mimics the cloth. To your comment on learning from the UF into Peg+, Zoomx is a high payoff foam, that has been very volatile and each iteration seems to learn from the previous and get better and better. Also, commenting on your video, interesting to see the bottom view side to side- The VF3 is curve-lasted adding to the turnover speed whereas the Peg+ is fairly strait-lasted adding to the stability (obviously in a lightweight trained, the add is minimal not like the Structure, but it enhances the stability)
@Rich-zb7vc The UF, designed as a Weatern States race shoe/super shoe… makes total sense. If you aren’t racing States and/or don’t have their terrain it has fast diminishing returns.
I do agree, if the UF lost some weight and had a ride outsole… it would have been popular. I have no doubt that the UF and PP were developed concurrently and both projects learned from one another.
Now that you point all of this out I may just have to do a design video on the UF and PP…. Hmmm? 🤔
@@SagasuRunning that would be very cool. it would be interesting to see the asker-c scores too, I have a sense the PP is a tick softer
@Rich-zb7vc I’d need access to Nike’s product team (working on it) to get the asker-c numbers…. But I will say I know the ZoomX in the UF is the same as what is in the VF/AF and is not the more rubberized ZoomX like is in the PP/SF/Invincible 3.
I’ll think about it and see what I can put together. It’s an interesting product design topic.
If I'm building a 3 shoe rotation but budget is a concern for me, will the upcoming zoom fly 6 be a gd alternative to the vf3? Or is the plus alone be enough to cover both tempo training and actual race day.
Thats up to you, what distances you race and what priority you put on your running/racing. A $170 ZF6 vs a 250 VF3, while that is $80...over the lifetime of the shoe, is it really that much more? Again, I can't say...it's up to you and your priorities.
On paper a shoe like the ZF6 is Nike's budget racer and tempo trainer. In reality, I honestly don't think much of it as I'd rather use a older super shoe (understood on budget though) or the Peg Plus for trianing.
The Peg Plus is a good racer for shorter distances, I would have no concern using it as a budget racer for 5/10ks and maybe a half...but anymore than that I'd want a plated shoe.
You could do worst than a daily trainer/ZF6...but you can do alot better as well (even in a budget). Last years super shoes will be around the same price. You can get a Adidas Adios Pro 3 on sale in many places and that will be an infinitely better tempo trainer or racer than something like a Zoom Fly 6 or Magic Speed 4.
@@SagasuRunning never crossed my mind about possibly getting older shoes, thanks for your detailed feedback!
Even a 2 shoe rotation is a good daily trainer and a good super shoe will be better than a 2 shoe rotation is a shoe like the ZF6 as your race shoe. Trainer fine, but not race shoe. You spend the same on the 2 shoe rotation.
Hello, Great content! Which nike shoe would you recommend as a daily walking shoe? I was looking at the vomero 17, peg trail, or invicible 3, but i am open to any nike! Thanks for any help!
Depends on what you want. The Peg41 is my go to for casual wear, the right mix of not too much foam and it looks good. If you want big and bouncy the Invincible 3 is the one. The Peg Trail 5 is maybe a mix of the two and a great fall/winter outsole. There will also be a Peg 41 GoreTex soon…. Another great fall/winter option.
used vf3 + pegasus plus is my goto now for fast days. previously using the puma deviate nitro elite was my fast shoe. i really like to try the vomero 17, haven't had a good trainer for a while. question on the nike streakfly, it didn't work for me surprising, but i think it was one size too big and never had good lockdown. any thoughts?
If the Streakfly was too big, especially a full size, you would of had an awful experience with it. However, if your Peg Plus fits your foot and you enjoy the fit...you are all good. No reason for a Streakfly. The Peg Plus is everything the Streakfly was but in a more durable and stable package.
@@SagasuRunning Yeah, I guess the Plus fills the gap. I recently tried the Streakfly at the store in 1/2 size smaller and it felt like a perfect fit, so the experience in my size was not ideal. I actually wish the Plus had a smaller base like the vaporfly.
@robertw4918 Thet wider base makes the Plus more stable… which is a great option for training. If you want a more agile “flat”, though not in ZoomX, look at the Rival Fly 4. It’s a great, non plated, traditional flat.
If I were to build an all Nike lineup I’d go
Daily: I3
Tempo: Peg Plus
Race day: AF3
The I3 could also work as a tempo long run shoe its way more versatile than the Vomero for me and we would be all ZoomX™️ 😎
That’s another valid option you like big and bouncy. I know a few who use this exact rotation. We shall see what the upcoming Vomero Plus bring to the table and where Nike take the Invincible 4.
Considering getting a peg+, had a pair of streakflys and mostly loved them besides feeling a bit too soft and low durability. Wondering if these solve those issues
Yes, the Peg+ has the flex but is less soft and considerably more durable. Just what you seem to be looking for.
Really interesting comparison! What’s your opinion on the Superblast vs the Peg Plus? The peg looks miles better in my opinion but the Superblast could cover both the VF3 and Peg Plus in one show.
For reference I’m doing 10km races at the moment and looking to jump up to Half Marathons in 2025
You know, I've been getting this question a bunch lately. To be honest, the comparison never crosses my mind as the two shoes are very different. Is it that they both are plateless and superfoamed?
In my mind the Peg Plus is the better shoe. I'm not even being all Nike fanboy here. The Peg Plus has a better foam (even the rubberized ZoomX is better), a neutral and flexible midsole, more ground feel, traditional geometry and way less bulk. I've done longer MP (5k blocks) to 200s in it and it is excellent at both and everything in between. As far as a non-plated performance trainer that sits between a daily trainer and a plated race shoe, that can handle a wide range of workouts, it currently can't be equaled.
Now, I do enjoy the Superblast 2...but it has a much narrow use case. If I'm specifically working on a build for a marathon and I need a non-plated shoe option for some (most?) of my long runs, that can do MP well, that is 100% a SB2. Anything not that exact use case... there is a better option, from Asics or otherwise. I can't imagine doing 200s or 400s in a SB2...even reps of 1k or under are a chore. But a 8-16k block(s) of MP with some easy recovery between...nothing better. I could do that in a Peg Plus and do it well...but the SB2 is the better option.
Both are not my pick for easy of casual running...though if I had to pick I'd go with the Peg Plus... ligher, more flexible, less rocker...thats what I want for that type of shoe.
@@SagasuRunningthank you that’s pretty much summed up my thought without even realising. As a heavier runner it’s easy to think I might need the bigger stack and max cushion but I have always preferred the lower and more nimble shoes that can handle the shorter distances primarily
Thank you for your help
@@ltlegacy The Evo SL may be a great shoe for you then. LSP will support your heavier weight, while still giving you a “low’ish” stack and ground feel…. It will be one to watch for you for sure. 👍🏻
I didn’t realise they were coming out so soon, I might wait to try those out. I presume there would be no point having those and a pair of Peg Plus’s
@@ltlegacy Unknown… I need to test them head to head to see. I can see geometry and assume feel from the foams that, in my mind, set them apart… but I need to run in them to really know.
LOL sensitive toes. Me too, I guess. I never thought of it that way but I have lost a lot of toenails on big toe and the next “index?” toe over the years.
If a shoe doesn’t fit well… my big toe nail will immediately let me know. It is mostly why I dislike bootie uppers…. Unless the fit is dialed (which is rare).
BTW. The flyknit 4% was worse than the original 4% IMO. The engineered mesh upper that the original 4% had which was super-similar to the Streak 7 but with a redesigned heel collar was better. The Flyknit bothered my toes.
I agree. I liked the engineered mesh upper from the streak 6/7. I ran in the OG 4% but spent more time in the FK 4%
I even have a pair of Next% with the streak 7 engineered mesh upper, from the first round custom Next%, Nike offered. It was too good to run in much… it’s in storage in the States.
Whats your prediction on peg plus durability? Will it last 500km +?
Unclear at the moment. ZoomX is typically good for around 150mi of optimal/racing use and another 150-200mi+ of training, often more. So it should… but that is also dependent on how quickly you wear the outsole. I’ll do a check in on durability after 100mi (160k).
I honestly dont get the zoom fly 5 hate i personally love it for speed day sessions i definitely agree on the streak fly however…one fast shoe that wasn’t mentioned is the Nike tempo i rotate that for speed day as well
The ZF5 is heavy, bulky and very poorly considered. Especially given the history of the previous 4 models in the series. The ZF5 became a brick it was. It also has no run feel connection to the VF or AF...which makes training in it pointless.
That is why most dislike the shoe...
I’m still torn between vaporfly 3 or asics magic speed 4 for my speed session, any suggestions?
(I’m currently rocking pegasus 38 & novablast 3 for dailies)
VF3 all the way… no contest…. Like at all. ZoomX foam and the Nike Flyplate will treat you right.
@@SagasuRunning Just bought one VF3 hope it suits me 🤞. Thanks for the super fast reply 🫡
I really like the Peg Plus in its ability to go grocery shopping AND great runs right after, no switching shoes. (very comfortable and quite stable) Can the same be said for the Vaporfly 3?
Definitely would not recommend…
@@SagasuRunning but they look so sporty! LOL love the channel and also really appreciate the love + data you put into this channel.
Here in Taiwan, Alphafly 2s, recently have become a “cool” fashion shoe. Knowing how it felt to walk in those…. I cannot imagine.
The Pegasus Plus, a welcomed headache. This complicates the new rotation purchase and fresh build.
Team SR, help! Do we go Nike or do we go Asics?
Pegasus 41, Pegasus Plus, Vaporfly 3 (Bonus Invincible 3) vs Novablast 4, Superblast 2, Metaspeed Paris (Bonus Noosa Tri 16).
Both will work, though the Nike rotation is more well rounded and capable of any road racing distance. The Asics is really a marathon rotation only. Can't go wrong with either.
@@SagasuRunning thank you for all you do, this channel is a fountain of knowledge.
Would this work for a marathon training rotation? Or should I consider adding more options?
- Daily: Peg 41
- Fast/shorter: Peg Plus
- Fast/longer/Race: Vaporfly 3
If you will be racing the marathon in the VF3, yes...this is exactly what I'd do. However, if i was to race a marathon int he next year (I'm likely not) I would likely race it in the AF3. So I'd actually want the 4 shoe rotation i showed in this video as I'd still depend on the VF3 for alot of fast workouts and want to rotate it with the Plus.
I did end up getting a Peg 41, Peg Plus, VF3 and AF3 mostly on sale and surprisingly available in my size (US 11)!
Great rotation. Enjoy them all. Good luck with racing. 🤙🏻
Any opinion on the durability (approx milage) of the shoes? I know the Peg 41 is the most follows by the +! I know you made a comment about the VF 3 and AF3 being surprisingly durable?
I’ve had excellent durability from the VF3 since last year. I did a video on VF3 durability if you look through my channel, some things to consider.
I’m finding the AF3 also durable, though I’m only about 40k into them. So far impressive.
The Peg41 is turning out to be the most durable Peg in years…. 240k into them and the outsole has plenty to go.
The Peg Plus is an unknown. I know that formula of ZoomX last a decent amount and the outsole is the same material as the 41…. So we will see.
My net takeaway is there’s very little difference between the performance of these shoes other than price and that the Peg Plus is likely far more durable over time.
At shorter distance, like the test workout I pulled the data from, yes. However, the VF3 will come into it's own after (at least) 16-20k, especially at pace.
A quote I often come back to about super shoes is this, "Supershoes don’t make you faster, they allow you to maintain your speed for longer periods of time."
Hi! Great review! But WHY does peg plus and VF3 have so much foam "behind" the heal. If ur a forefoot-runner, that is just extra weight...? Guess ur the man to xplain this =)
I've actually covered this in a few videos, this one gets into the "zoning" Nike is doing with the AF and VF midsoles: th-cam.com/video/a-BeVW1ZNLw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XkiQYToJpG0dOCyf
It is all about transitions. Even if Nike super shoes (and most super shoes actually) have a forefoot bias....forefoot strikers still heel strike at some point (fatigue, course terrain, corners) so that is there to capture the heel and move the foot smoothly to the forefoot. It also is there as the shoe will be bought and used by midfoot and heel strikers as well.
Is it fair to compare the peg plus to the takumi sens?
Not really…. But there will be a shoe coming from Nike soon that will be…. The Streakfly 2. As there will be a shoe from Adidas to compare directly to the Peg Plus…. The Adios 9. I cannot wait for both.
Sadly, Nike is arriving way too late for my rotation. None of the new Pegs have released yet and the VF3 released recently for $360. I paid almost half that for my AP3 last year (admittedly, they were discounted). I may entertain the notion of eventually picking up a pair of 41s to rotate with the Rise, especially if my recent toe blisters turn out to be more than just coincidence.
Adidas has nearly the same rotation.
The SL2/TS10/AP3 combo covers all of the same basis.
The SNR/A9/TS10/AP4 combo will be even better for marathon training in 2025.
Thanks for the review. A ripper. A bit of quid pro quo…as a film maker I’d advise breaking up your background to improve the quality of the look of your videos . 😊
You know. I've worked quite a bit to strip my videos down to as minimal as I can possibly get them. The workflow and production flow I use took me quite some time to get consistent (I setup and break down for every video).
This video did have quite a few long segments with the same graphic, which is something I do try to avoid, but I wanted to get the info out first. I use motion graphics VERY sparingly as I often find them distracting for what I do here. Static images I find better as people don't need to pause and I can talk over them (years of agency presentations and slide decks I guess).
What I do here on TH-cam, isn't broadcast design...so I don't want things moving around all the time. I am conscious of it all though. You highlighted the right thing for me.
Behind the scenes I'm actually cleaning up alot of lighting and audio too...to strip the videos down even more.
Yeah I was just thinking a plant o r a couple of pics behind on the wall. I love your infor and vids. Really appreciate em.
@michaelormondrobinson My wife has multiple plants shoe would love me to put back there. I used to have a plant on the channel in my early videos. The main issue is the “wall” behind me is a backdrop, not a wall, and I’m only about 10cm away from it (limited space). Maybe a plant will appear though…
Thank you for the kind words on the content! 🤙🏻
The Pegasus Plus is ROCK HARD. That is definitely not the same ZoomX. I was so disappointed 😢
Nike using a second formula of ZoomX for their trainers is not here. The Peg Plus has the same foam as the Invincible and Streakfly have had. It’s hardly rock hard… I’ve been quite enjoying the shoe for workouts, works exceptionally well with great feel and energy return for my feet.
@@SagasuRunning I found the Streak and Invincible very comfortable and soft. The Plus were very hard underfoot for me. I had to return them.
@TheSiameseDreamer I don’t understand how they are hard. Our feet all individually feel things differently but the Peg Plus is anything but firm. I find it nearly ideal for that I want for speed work. Soft and stable…
@SagasuRunning I was confused, too.
Zoom Fly 5 is such a brick of a shoe. 😂 I hope the Zoom Fly 6 is better. My ideal rotation based on the current Nike line up:
Walking/Jog: Vomero 17 (I love this shoe)
Daily: Peg Plus
Fast/ 5-10k racing: Vaporfly 3
21-42k Racing: AF 3
Expensive line-up too. 😂
I don't have any hope (or interest) in the Zoom Fly series anymore...the ZF4 ended it fully. I won't be covering the ZF6. It's in the same category with the MS4 for me, a shoe I don't need.
ZoomX is an expensive material. But, oh so good.
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Well.. interesting perspective.
I think the workout comparison is not that relevant.. you were rested and the distance was small. I can run a fast 1k even in the Nike Coffin (Zoom Fly 5). I do train in them..nothing more proficient at not helping me run faster :).
If you want more relevance, try the 200-400m intervals with high repeats. Or something above 10k. Towards the end of the workouts you might notice dead foam under your feet in the Peg plus.
The matrix is interesting. Very interesting! You might need a new one for distance / workout type. For example..I am sure that peg plus is not that good at 10k pace for anything above 5k. While the vaporfly is.
Building a full nike rotation.. hmm.. maybe next decade.
Yes, the workout is a test workout, not an actual workout. However, it is very relevant as those are the types of paces I'd need a shoe to cover in training. I actually have 200s in the workout too, which I'll cover in the larger data video.
I often used the Streakfly for workouts like 10x400 or 15x200, mostly on the road, sometimes on the track. Based on that work I'm very confident that the Peg Plus will be a better option for that work. The VF3 is often faster, especially for 400s and 800s, but again it's about training stimulus. Having the option between the two, plated and non-plated, is whats important here.
I sold my sb2 and ordered peg plus at 25% discount. Prefer lower stack shoes.
The Peg+ definitely fits that description. Enjoy them.
Dailying a peg 40 is wild!!
I just can't understand this perspective?!?! The Pegasus is, and always has been, the gold standard for a daily trainer....
@@SagasuRunning It’s an extremely easy perspective to understand. Sure in 1983 the Pegasus was the gold standard…but it’s 2024 now. I’d let you pick 10 shoe reviewers of your choosing and id bet not one would pick the peg 41 as “the gold standard” of a daily training shoe in 2024. So ya..and the sales figures really back that up too. Good shoes to buy groceries in though..as Demosthenes said, “Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what every man wishes, that he also believes to be true.”
Great video though!!
Well… I’m not any other reviewer and I know what works for me and what helps me maintain healthy feet. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and tastes.
That being said…. The Pegasus is still the gold standard…. For me at least. Any other trainer need to better it… so far only a handful have, even the the Pegasus is the one I constantly reach for as the feel is spot on and so so good.
Peg 41 is perfect for daily use dude tripping or doesn’t really run 😂
@@SagasuRunningsame. I tried a Novablast 4s and kept getting bad knee pain almost every run that would put me out for a few days. Got peg41s and the pain is going away and I’ve been able to run every day while it’s still healing.
If you keep including Peg Plus in these comparisons, you’re gonna force me to buy it😂
This is the last one until the Adidas Adios 9 is released. That will be the big one though...
@@SagasuRunning I enjoy the comparisons a lot. It reflects how people actually shop.
@CharlesMayer-wu5rb I definitely design these “vs” videos around pairs I know people are searching for info on. I’m glad they help.
guess u can play some sports with the plus on
Again, I wouldn't. ZoomX is a delicate material and doesn't like side to side cuts, kicking balls and other rough things that come from team sports. I would stick with the Nike Pegasus 41 if you want an all round PE class style shoe.
@@SagasuRunning well I wouldn’t be playin soccer in them. More like pickle ball. Most of the times for running. Planning to do a 5k in them
@Animejook Id still recommend a Peg41…. ZoomX is a delicate material and doesn’t do well with side-to-side court type movements.
@@SagasuRunning well yea I’ll pic this one for some training and the race