What The Bible Says About Predestination
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- In nany conversation about predestination, election, and God's will in the act of salvation, two verses from Romans 8 are usually cited:
"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." (Roman 8:29-30)
These two verses are some of the most scrutinized in the Bible, so let's take a moment with Douglas Moo to unpack them in more detail to see what they tell us about predestination.
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When it comes to predestination, i strongly believe that everything happened as per God's predestinations. No one or nothing can distract His plan
“I have noticed that even those who assert that everything is predestined and that we can change nothing about it still look both ways before they cross the street.”
― Stephen Hawking, Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays
Seat belts ain't just for Devil Worshipers.
Bruh none of us truly know God’s plan. He predestined it, we just flow with it. We all got expiration dates, doesn’t mean we know when we will kick the bucket.So we just keep on living. Read Mark 13: 32-36.
We are predestinated to be safe as much as possible. :P
The Lord has written all of our stories before time,we just have no idea what's on the next page.
But looking both ways before crossing the street doesn't prove non predetermination..
Since we might be pre determined to look both ways.
I reject Calvinism, so for those who God doesn’t elect, He made them specifically to burn in hell?
That's me. Not an elect or whatever. Going to hell. My life is worthless at this point. I understand now that life without hope is not a life at all .
@@mercedesreynoso4318 ''who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
'' God died for everyone and wants as many people as possible to be saved! God bless you all.
@@avac.1343 i don't care what he desires, what actually happens is what matters. We may want something to happen but the desire doesn't mean it will. God may want one of your relatives saved but they may be destined to hell which he knew before they were born but didn't do anything to prevent it.
@@mercedesreynoso4318 Hey, God does not predestine anyone to heaven or hell. He predestines all believers to conform to the image of His son. If God desires all men to be saved that would show that no one is destined for hell, that would be unfair. Don't you think?
@@avac.1343 read your Bible. God is omniscient. He knows who's going to hell and who isn't yet he still brings them to existence fully knowing what's going to happen. That's not love or kindness. The predetermined circumstances that cannot be altered.
In OUR minds, it can seem as if our omniscient God created all of us while also counting on the fact that some would choose to reject Christ -- and it's easy for US to conclude that He therefore intentionally created some to go to hell. This is not of God's character though, although it can become a dangerous mindset for us if we forget that He leaves the choice up to us after He offers us free salvation through Christ. His intent and offer and desire and plan for us is salvation, not condemnation. If we rationalize things in our own minds, disregard His love for us, and neglect the full counsel of His word, we can lose sight of the fact that even though we have been conceived in sin, He still created each of us while also providing a plan for salvation from eternal condemnation. He leaves the choice up to us, and He knows what decision we will make about His Son's offer of forgiveness. But that doesn't mean He intentionally created anyone to fulfill a plan of rejecting His Son. His plan, His deep desire, His loving intention -- for everyone and anyone -- is that they would NOT reject His Son, but that all would come to repentance... not my words, but His: The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)
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Judas shatters your argument. Created to fulfill God's plan. The Bible says that in black and white. Don't be so sure of what you believe without carefully examining things first
Mercedes Reynoso Even so, what Judas did was of his own free will. God knew of it beforehand and utilized it accordingly. Or least, that’s my opinion.
@@naiyakin so what is being said by you is that God knows our future outcome and we Can't actually change it. We are locked in by what He knows we will do. We really can't change our fate, it's already set before we're born.
Mercedes Reynoso I actually kind of agree with you, here. God may give us free will to make our own decisions, but He can already predict all of our thoughts, actions, feelings, etc., because he is omniscient and knows us, and can easily predict us. However, this still doesn’t detract from free will. Just because God knows our actions doesn’t mean that we can’t try to be in line or pray to be. God knew of Judas’ intent because he knew Judas’ soul. It’s unfortunate, but yes. The first comment is right in that God wants nobody to suffer or to deny Him, yet some people will, and God uses that. At the end of the day, we do simply live out God’s script. Terrifying. I’ve never really liked it, but it’s the only thing that’s made sense.
Look at pharaoh, he was predestined for destruction, his heart was hardened by God, so that God would demonstrate His glory in Pharaoh's destruction, however believers find peace in God's Sovereignty, He will finish the good work He started in us.
@Northern Wolf
He didn't harden his heart due to pharaoh already having his heart hardened, it doesn't say that in the scriptures and doesn't even make sense. I use to believe in synergism before, but God's Sovereignty is in all of scripture. Look at the verses below, as much as it hurts our ego, there's no way to avoid the truth of scripture.
For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, to meet Israel in battle in order that he might utterly destroy them, that they might receive no mercy, but that he might destroy them, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.
Joshua 11:20
But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today.
Deuteronomy 2:30
He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted and I heal them
John 12:40
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires
Romans 9:18
Because GOD works in His Immortality and Omniscience.
GOD already knew who believed when the gospel was preached. GOD already knew before the world existed.
Those who have been known by GOD, they are called to hear the message of the gospel, and those who believe in the message of the gospel, those who are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT, and given the Faith of Salvation in JESUS CHRIST.
Believe in the gospel message then sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT and have the Faith of Salvation in JESUS CHRIST.
Believe in the gospel message, then repentance occurs. Repentance is what it means to be born of water. Water baptism is a sign of repentance.
Sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT is being born from the SPIRIT. The human heart is born again, because the HOLY SPIRIT is in the human conscience saved by GOD.
SO do not preach the gospel to those whom God has not loved , known, way back when, because he has not predestined them anyway. He has only predestined the one He chose: Eany meany, miney moe.
No that is all baloney: God could always see the future and our decisions to accept or reject the gospel as well as our sticking with or abandoning the truth. Calvinistic predestination is heresy.
You are fighting something that is cristal clear in the bible.
On our own, we would never come to Him the right way.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Your answer did not say why. It assumes that those condemn would ever ask why, they just are. What a horrible answer.
This is a perfect example of someone making a title than coming on and dodging the subject matter that people are REALLY interested in......about Predestination......Does GOD create people for the ultimate purpose of them going to hell ?........This guy should run for THE US SENATE......he knows how to dodge the issue.
Also the word translated “whom” is the Greek word for ear. It’s called a pronominal. It’s a adjective that is a noun. It could be translated as the “hearing ones”.
He must give ears to hear His word to them. It is all His work.
@@dwayne20110521 That’s right. Proverbs 20:12
I know that if God had given me the same life as one who dies an unbeliever I too would be an
unbeliever.
But I am a believer because God orchestrated my life in such a way that made it possible for me to
eventually repent.
But without this predestined life I’d never have repented and would have died an unbeliever.
God knew that Paul the messenger to the gentiles would repent if God spoke to him at the right time, right place, namely at the time of his fall on the way to Damascus.
But if God knew that Paul wouldn’t have repented then He wouldn’t have spoken to him and throw him from his horse.
This tells us that predestination which is thrown at us by God is only something that He does if we are indeed going to be one who will actually repent.
Without the predestined life we would not be saved.
Or we can say that all who are saved are predestined.
But without God’s helping hand of predestination I would not have repented and therefore not gotten saved.
But it’s a two way street.
Or it takes two to tango.
I became predestined by God because He knew, if it came right down to it, I would repent.
But for me to come right down to it,
I needed the predestined life for it to happen
Therefore whilst predestination was forced upon me nevertheless God wouldn’t have done so it if He knew I wasn’t going to be up for repentance.
That’s why it’s a two way street.
God only saves those who want to be saved. These are those who at the end of the day, if the conditions are right, will repent.
I didn’t really want to be a believer, but God knew me better than I knew myself, because He knew that if He arranged my life in a particular way, I’d eventually repent, which is exactly what I did.
But those stubborn Pharisees who paid off the guards to say the disciples stole the body while they were sleeping, God doesn’t predestinate, because they are not going to repent, no matter what.
Few get saved and many perish because they are absolutely not going to repent no matter what.
Hence the reason why they are not predestinated.
Without God’s intervention with the orchestrated life of predestination, we could not have repented. The powers of Satan would have just been just too much as we see in the lives of those around us who are perishing.
But in our favour we were always going to ultimately become a willing party, willing to go God’s way, if He could set it up in such a way that we could go His way.
And He did set it up and we did repent.
It’s called predestination.
Is it wrong to say that God allowed Satan to be here to tempt us to rebel against God, in order that we might prove our allegiance to God,
And therefore those who overcome, via the ransom paid, being the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, inherit Everlasting Life and become sons and daughters of the living God.
God alerts us to the existence of predestination as an explanation to believers as to why there are mysteriously so many unbelievers.
And as Michael and the holy angels being two thirds of that heavenly realm proved their fidelity to God with all obedience, by fighting against Lucifer’s rebellion, so too do we prove our allegiance to God with our repentance, which is also a fight against Satan.
And as Lucifer with his one third of the angelic realm that rebelled against God were cast out of heaven, so too is Satan now cast out of our midst, because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ who died on a cross to save us because He loves us.
So you’re telling me that before I was born, I never even had a choice of being saved or not? Then why put everyone through this? Why do I, along with many others, have to watch as our atheist brothers and sisters die? Why not just create and be done with it? Why not just make beings with a free will that he knew would ally with him?... I guess that there’s no way that’s possible. And that this life is all there is to it. I hate this. But to say that I hate this is to say I hate God’s plan, and that’s objectively wrong. If and when I do make it to heaven, I’d like to ask God why...
Naiyakin The Seeker Try and think of it this way. Hear me out.
God knew before He created you and me what we would do.
He knew if you were going to be for Him
Or against Him.
He knew if you were going to be ultimately in 100% obedience to Him or not.
We know that God knows all of this.
Okay this is what I think the deal is.
When the fall in heaven happened, which God foresaw, He realised that He could use it to create an awesome unprecedented opportunity.
And the opportunity was that God could use that fall to create copies of Himself by making a species in His image. Namely us.
This is a very big deal.
God’s love is such that the thought of creating us was too great an opportunity to pass up. It was irresistible.
It was a magnificent opportunity.
Such is the unfathomable love of God.
God could utilise the tempting powers of Satan by making it possible for the creation of these creatures that could become eternal beings, as copies of Himself, if they overcame when they were tempted tried and tested.
By allowing man to be tempted, those who overcome the temptations, obtain a quality of character that makes the creation of sons and daughters of God possible.
But God cannot tempt, however Satan relishes in it, and loves tempting us to rebel against God.
Hence God uses Satan for this purpose by allowing him to be here amongst us.
We all have free will, however God knows than none will escape Satan’s captivity unless God helps out.
But in order to have the licence to rescue those who want to be rescued, He has to pay Satan a price that cannot be refused because of the sheer greatness of that price.
And that price is the shed blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary.
God wants to rescue all but not all want to be rescued.
Most will prefer the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.
Those who are to be rescued are those who freely choose allegiance to God with their free will.
God is choosing those whom He knows will choose Him.
He cannot choose those who will not choose Him.
But because He knows we will choose Him He therefore ensures that we do choose Him, by giving us a predestined life to ensure that this does indeed happen.
And as the angels who didn’t rebel against God, and fought against the heavenly rebellion, whom we presume are now sealed by God, in such a way that the free will which they once had, to either be for or against God has been so changed, that their allegiance is such, that they are now sealed by God to be forever faithful to Him.
So too did we initially have the same capacity to be disloyal to God but now that we are chosen by God because of our faithfulness to Him, after being tempted , we are to be sealed, to forever be with the Lord in grateful obedience.
We were tried and tested and passed the test. Although it was with the assistance of the predestined life which cost Jesus Christ His life. This allowed Him to rescue us by orchestrating our lives in such a way, that we would eventually do what we wanted to do, which was repent but it was with His help.
But without this orchestration, although we might have been candidates for repentance, nevertheless we wouldn’t have been able to repent, because Satan’s tempting powers would have overpowered us.
God looks at the cost.
He looks at the price.
And He deems it worthwhile that He Himself should be hanging on a tree at Calvary so that we can be on our way to becoming these eternal beings, eventually to be in the likeness of God Himself.
@@paulwilfridhunt I have a very unusual situation for you that may prove your point.
Mercedes Reynoso what is that?
@@paulwilfridhunt I'm predestined as well. But in the opposite direction. All throughout my life I've dreamt of situations in exact detail before they happened in my life. It has become clear like pieces of a puzzle coming together to form the big picture that I am predestined as each person is. It is known before we were born and it plays out as we live our lives.
Predestination is biblical, hard to accept, because this is biblically hard thing!
So where does free will come in, or is God a watchmaker like the diest claim, and we're mere predestined robots?
I think salvation is up to the individual. Doesn't God intend for all people to come into repentance?
Souls are judged “according to their deeds” in the upcoming Justice Seat of Christ and White Throne Judgment, . That shows that there HAS to be free will, for souls to be responsible for their actions, otherwise having varying degrees of reward or punishment would be impossible. If our actions were predetermined, why have judgment? They would be Kangaroo courts and God would be unjust, which is not possible. If God made us in His image, wouldn’t He pass on free will, also? Would He make free will an illusion? Hmm.. Think on these things
p.s. He IS sovereign for Israel outcomes
But I think every "decision" in my life was ultimately influenced by the experiences beforehand in my life..
Meaning my actions are kind of "mechanical" (even though they "feel" like im making them, retrospectively I think I really wasn't in the "drivibg seat" in my life)..
Like.. A roller coaster.... Yes you experience and "feel", but ultimately the rollercoaster is stuck on a set track and you cant change that..
Our "freelings" and experiences prompt us to "act"... But ultimately we did not choose the "dominos" that set our life and circumstances in motion..
Long story short... I don't think free will exists..
For clarity..
I believe consciousness exists... But dont believe in "free will".
Calvinist ! If you truly believe in predestination, why did Jesus have to die ?
Before explaining this. You keep saying the word God. Is He One or many. If you say more then One, then who decides what and when and how things will happend. More then One God is like 1+1+1 is equal ONE.. i have 5 fingers but they’re One finger they work together and suport eachother as One finger. How many fingers do i have. We’re created in a way that our brain dont allow this contradiction. You know deep down in your heart this can not be true. What is true. True is when your brain and heart/faith goes hand and hand.
Get out of here satan
"And those he predestined, he also called", as in, he "also called" in addition to others (not mentioned here).
Good grief. How sad. Is this a result of the public school system? How can someone be this illiterate?
NOOOOOOO! Please READ...
2 Timothy 2:20-21
Please dont believe that. Predestined to a calling for Gods pleasure & His will ( pastor, evangelist, etc, etc) confirmed by the verse I just noted in Timothy
The predestination idea goes against like 100% scripture. Everywhere bible teaches its OUR free will to reject or accept Jesus
Im paraphrasing verses...
- sin is what separates us ( our choice)
- Seek me with heart & you shall find me.
- he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but EVERYONE to come to repentance.
- Draw near to God, He will draw near to you
- Call on the name of the Lord amd you shall be saved
-riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
Bible says for God so loved the WORLD ( not a select of people) that He gave His only Son WHOEVER believes in Him shouldnt perish.
John 3:17... God sent his Son not to condemn but to SAVE
God will use the wicked ( dishonor clay/vessel) for His glory and benefit for His children!!!❤
Example Pharioah, or Elijah feed by ravens
I pray this will remove that lie from your heart and you be overcomed with His love & peace God is a good good Father❤❤❤
God dignifies us with free will, the power to make decisions of our own rather than having God or fate predetermine what we do. Consider what the Bible teaches.
God created mankind in his image. (Genesis 1:26) Unlike animals, which act mainly on instinct, we resemble our Creator in our capacity to display such qualities as love and justice. And like our Creator, we have free will.
To a great extent, we can determine our future. The Bible encourages us to “choose life . . . by listening to [God’s] voice,” that is, by choosing to obey his commands. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) This offer would be meaningless, even cruel, if we lacked free will. Instead of forcing us to do what he says, God warmly appeals to us: “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river.”-Isaiah 48:18.
Our success or failure is not determined by fate. If we want to succeed at an endeavor, we must work hard. “All that your hand finds to do,” says the Bible, “do with your very power.”(Ecclesiastes 9:10) It also says: “The plans of the diligent one surely make for advantage.”-Proverbs 21:5.
Free will is a precious gift from God, for it lets us love him with our “whole heart”-because we want to.-Matthew 22:37.
Doesn’t God control all things?
The Bible does teach that God is Almighty, that his power is not limited by anyone other than himself. (Job 37:23; Isaiah 40:26) However, he does not use his power to control everything. For example, the Bible says that God was “exercising self-control” toward ancient Babylon, an enemy of his people. (Isaiah 42:14) Similarly, for now, he chooses to tolerate those who misuse their free will to harm others. But God will not do so indefinitely.-Psalm 37:10, 11.
The Bible does not teach predestination. While God is all powerful and capable of seeing all possible things before they occur, we have free will do we not? Is it consistent with a loving God to condemn some to die in sin for no mis action? Why did Jehovah God forbid Adam and Eve from eating of the forbidden fruit if they had no choice but to do so? Regarding Acts 4:27, why should the predestination of one thing mean such for all? God commanded that Jesus must die, yes, but this does not mean that he did the same for all things? www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2009252&srcid=share
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did PREDESTINATE, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified
We have as much freedom as Adam and Eve did after they sinned.
Drop your man-centered theology. Scripture is full of passages about the moral INABILITY of man.
Let me see if I am getting the right. Most humans before they are born and before they commit a sinful act are DAMNED to HELL for eternity, and then God blames the DAMNED for being DAMNED even though God made them that way. Am I missing something?
No. That’s correct. Gods logic is not man’s logic.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
@@aletheia8054 Why is it incorrect? So, you call your confusion a mystery?
@@artemusbowdler7508 It’s not my anything. It’s what the Bible says. I didn’t write the Bible.
@@aletheia8054 You have no clue, and you do not have the biblical knowledge to answer why you think my comment is incorrect? Wow, no wonder people are suspicious about Christians.
@@artemusbowdler7508 I did answer. The elect understand. The non elect don’t.
Read 1st and 2nd Samuel and 1st and 2nd chronicles
You’ll see God doing just what you think is illogical all through it.
That is if God gives you a seeing eye. Prov 20:12
John the Baptist was full of the spirit from his mother womb.
Faith comes by hearing not understanding. His Word will work His will.
2 Timothy 1:9
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
So do God make murderers to be murderers?
Douglas Moo! I'm currently enjoying your video seminar on Romans through Logos. Love it. I bounce back and forth between being a four point or five point Calvinist. It's hard to reconcile the precept that God is all-knowing and all-powerful but would not "in effect" be electing individuals for salvation. Quote Twain, it's not what I don't understand in the Bible that bothers me but what I do understand.
Are you in a fake church ...heres the signs
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This has been haunting me for some time. This and a few other explanations have helped me tremendously. Thank you, Sir.
So you believe in predestination? Does that mean we as people get to choose whether we go to heaven or not? Or is it already set in stone and there is nothing that we can do?
Also sorry for all the questions, but you said believing in Jesus is a good deed but doesn’t he give us our faith?
So salvation was given to us before the beginning of time to those god picked? Do we have free will? Can we pick whether we are saved or not?
Sorry for all the questions but this video is making me question my salvation
@johnquavious-fm5kv Because of the way certain passages in the Bible are written, these passages can easily be misunderstood and easily capitalized on by false doctrine, especially Calvinism and Arminianism. In regards to Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8:29-30, many people in the church today are clueless and in a state of great confusion regarding what true Biblical predestination is and because of Calvinism's great influence in the churches, they will fall back on Calvinism's twisted definition that has been adamantly imposed into many seminaries, Bible colleges, theology textbooks, journals, dictionaries, encyclopedias, churches, and church constitutions for many centuries.
The FALSE DOCTRINE of Calvinism teaches that man has no free will in regards to his salvation and that God has "predestined" who would be saved and who would be damned in eternity past way before anyone is born. In other words, there is the "good luck" list for the saved (the "chosen elect few") and then there is the "tough luck" list for the damned (the vast majority of humanity). However, that in essence makes man a predestined puppet on a string with no free will and also makes God the author of sin and evil. The Bible teaches that man has FREE WILL.
True Biblical predestination takes place AFTER a person comes to faith in Christ. The Christian is predestinated for 3 things which takes place in the future at the Rapture - 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. True Biblical predestination ONLY applies to those that are saved.
1) They are predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST - Romans 8:29-30, 1 Corinthians 15:49 - And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Philippians 3:21 - Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. All saved people will be like Christ. We shall be like Him - 1 John 3:2. This is a future aspect at the Rapture.
2) They are predestinated to have an INHERITANCE in heaven - Ephesians 1:11, John 14:2-4. Again, this is a future aspect.
3) They are predestinated to have GLORIFIED ETERNAL BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE, the REDEMPTION OF OUR PHYSICAL BODIES just like Jesus resurrected body described in Luke 24:39, Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:23, Christ's newly resurrected glorified body is the prototype of what is to come for all saved Christians at the RAPTURE - 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 1 John 3:2. They are predestinated for the PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE - 1 Thessalonians 5:8-9.
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There is a world of difference between true Biblical predestination and election versus Calvinist "predestination" and "election." Calvinism will use the terms "predestination" and "election" interchangeably to mean the same thing, that is, salvation or damnation which is predetermined in eternity past by God.
Calvinism has hijacked the words, "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" and "predestinate" and perverted the true definition. The true definition is NOT "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" for salvation.
Hope this helps, God bless!
@@johnquavious-fm5kv Calvinism's perverted understanding of "predestination" is identical to the Islamic doctrine of fatalism:
CALVINISM: (Calvinism spawned from Augustine who is also the father of Roman Catholicism. John Calvin's name is attached to the false teachings of Augustine ("St. Augustine") from "City of God" as Calvin ardently admired Augustine and incorporated Augustine's teachings in his own writings in Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion.")
1) John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, section 5 - "SOME ARE PREORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE, OTHERS TO ETERNAL DAMNATION, and accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death."
2) "That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." - Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, Book 4, Chapter 16.
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ISLAM:
1) The Islamic Surah Ibrahim 14:4 - "And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY(THEREBY) WHOM HE WILLS AND GUIDES WHOM HE WILLS. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
2) The Islamic Surah 2:6-7 states, "It is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. ALLAH HAS SET A SEAL ON THEIR HEARTS AND ON THEIR HEARING. AND ON THEIR EYES IS A VEIL; GREAT IS THE CHASTISEMENT THEY INCUR."
3) In Islam, in the 2nd stage of "Taqdeer" (fate), it states that "Allah made a divine decree after the creation of Adam. Allah took out all of the progeny of Adam (i.e. all of the humans from the beginning of time until the end of time), and asked them "Am I not your Lord?" and all of the humans responded "We testify that You are our Lord!" THEN ALLAH DECREED TO THEM WHO SHALL GO TO PARADISE AND WHO SHALL GO TO HELL."
4) In Islam, Allah is exalted and pleased as he sends people to hell: this is the fatalistic claim of Islam. Fatalism is a belief that events are fixed in advance for all time in such a manner that human beings are powerless to change them. In this case, Allah will send to heaven whomever he pleases, and send to hell whomever he pleases. ("Unveiling Islam: An Insider’s Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs" pages 31-32, by authors Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 2002.)
It appears that Satan has packaged the same thing, but going under different names in 2 false religious cults.
Hope this helps to clarify, God bless!
Children of Satan who work with Satan to create the Mark of the Beast for the people in the world are the ones who are predestined to hell. But for the rest of us, we have hope, faith and love. The greatest of these is love.
And Wut man, shut up.
And those of us who accidently have a bad thought about jesus and God when we are trying to read the bible. We also get condemned to hell.
Love of God in Bible is Agape (love)
it means the relationship of King and His people obeying to His command.
it's not affection (that's Phileo)
if You, and me not obeying to His command the love of God is not in us.
God only agape who is obeying to His will, command (1John 5:2-3)
and people that can obey to His command only Does people that God gave the faith. the second Birth.
(John 1:12-13) , (John 3:5-6)
(Ephesians 2:8-10)
And He choose that people before the foundation of the Heaven and Earth. (Ephesians 1:4)
(Romans 9:13-24)
Because if God didn't give the faith to the people He choose no one will seek God , and obey to His will,command. (Romans 8:7)
(1Corinthians 2:14) (Romans 3:10-18) so God have to choose someone to be save to show His mercy and gave the second Birth and He choose someone to not be saved to show His wrath.
according to His will and pleasure.
all this things work for His Glory.
not the will of men , glory of men,
This is what written in Holy scripture and not many people can accept because they have their own definition of God. that they think God is always kind and soft and God cannot do everything according to His will.and pleasure. yeah He is kind and merciful but He has boundary. but to His children God's will works for their own good to glorify God. (Romans 8:28)
My pastor said get the mark666..u can be forgiven...yup
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So what happens to the babies who have been aborted? If God has predestined everyone’s life, does that mean those babies who have been aborted, who God knows (predestined) wouldn’t have accepted him, are they in Hell?
Aborted babies don't go to hell because they never sinned !!
NOOOOOOO! Please READ...
2 Timothy 2:20-21
Please dont believe that. Predestined to a calling for Gods pleasure & His will ( pastor, evangelist, etc, etc) confirmed by the verse I just noted in Timothy
The predestination idea goes against like 100% scripture. Everywhere bible teaches its OUR free will to reject or accept Jesus
Im paraphrasing verses...
- sin is what separates us ( our choice)
- Seek me with heart & you shall find me.
- he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but EVERYONE to come to repentance.
- Draw near to God, He will draw near to you
- Call on the name of the Lord amd you shall be saved
-riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
Bible says for God so loved the WORLD ( not a select of people) that He gave His only Son WHOEVER believes in Him shouldnt perish.
John 3:17... God sent his Son not to condemn but to SAVE
God will use the wicked, those who reject Him ( dishonor clay/vessel) for His glory and benefit for His children!!!❤
Example Pharioah, or Elijah feed by ravens
I pray this will remove that lie from your heart and you be overcomed with His love & peace God is a good good Father❤❤❤
Amen. ❤️🙌
Not all of Israel is Israel Jacob’s name got changed to Israel stop being ignorant!! God‘s elect were chosen before the foundations of the earth was created, they were pre-destined to conform to the likeness of his son Jesus!! Lean not on your own understanding!!
No one was hand picked before the foundation of the world . Ephesians 1 says something important that it's ' in Him ' that we are chosen . When does a lost person who is not known by God ( in the biblical ' knowing ' sense ) become ' in Christ ' ? It's of course when we believe and are sealed by the Holy spirit . Then they are predestined to glorification . Augustine gave people a Gnostic version of election which is followed by Calvinist a today .
barry johnson Thank you for this important clarification... I’d love to discuss these things further with you. Do you think that your view interferes with God’s knowing of all things, even things before they happen?
Keep it simple
Those who God foreknew,( FORE LOVED)He predestined....
So.. I think I might be one of the "damned"..
What do I do with that?
@@rammingspeed5217 so you know the Gospel of who Jesus is and what He did,but you disbelieve?
@@CBALLEN I don't necessarily have a problem with believing... I just dont understand how "mechanically" it can help my psyche
@@rammingspeed5217 Jesus is the only way of salvation, there is no other way.
@@CBALLEN i don't get it...