SCARY NEWS: God Chooses Some People For HELL...Or DOES He?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Election is typically defined today as; God chooses who's going to be saved. And some people will then, therefore, state what is probably an obvious corollary; he chooses the people that aren't saved, that go to hell or whatever. So you either have predestination, or you have double predestination. And I don't care about any of that, because I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of election. If you raise the question; was Israel elect? It's kind of a no brainer, of course, they were elect. They're chosen. And then the other nations are not chosen. Should we define then election as salvation, so we can therefore assume that because Israel was elect, the Israelites were also elect, and then they're all saved, right? At that moment, you might have some kind of suspect that we might have a problem here. And they have a huge problem because there's something in biblical history called the Exile. Election is not about salvation. Those two things are not synonymous. I think we fundamentally misunderstood this. Check it out!
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@@danielpsparks Amen ... his voice was light in the darkness of confusion.
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Why have I been a Christian for 25 years and only recently found Dr Heiser? I have heard more truth and mysterious passages explained in the couple of months since finding him than in years of the listening to the typical.
I agree. I too just discovered his ministry and I'm reading the Unseen Realm together with my book group friends. Love the videos!
I always watch people before buying their books, but I’m so sad I didn’t buy Unseen Realm earlier. It’s incredible.
For the most part i like heiser. But I think its a mistake to say "election is salvation" for every Israelite. As he said, the Israelites still had to believe. So yes, election IS salvation for individuals in OT. Same as in the NT.
I’ve been through them all for many many many years go to grace and truth ministries and hear the defined truth but just don’t listen to the gap theory because all public preachers have faults, that’s why the Bible said trust no man!
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Do you not know the difference between physical Israel and spiritual Israel not all of Israel is of Israel! Jacob‘s name was changed to Israel the beginning of gods spiritual church!
Whoever has taken over this account since Dr. Heiser’s passing. Please…please…please do not take this account down. This man’s work needs to live on. These videos are a lighthouse in a world of darkness.
Amen 🙏
Unfortunately this man is not speaking the truth. Election means chosen, dont be fooled by his words, that election means something else. Israel is still elect when Jesus comes back (1000 years) He will establish the Kingdom in Israel and after the 1000 years has passed a new Jerusalem will come out of heaven. What Heiser was saying is not biblical and please turn to the truth
They will almost certainly take down for no reason too. Whoever us running this account is a demonically influenced COWARD
Amen!! Absolutely!!
His work will not live on in Jesus name 🙏🏾, may the Lord destroy all his teachings so that it won’t seduced the minds of the unsuspecting ones like you and those who liked your comment 🙏🏾
Paul makes a distinction between election and salvation in 2 Timothy 2:10
"Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory."
Good catch. This channel has helped me find so many passages that make me wonder how I never noticed them before!
Hmm. Not convinced. This is speaking of salvation in its final stage, glorification.
elect means chosen for salvation. this doesn't prove what you want it to prove
@@hondotheology Then how do you prove your own point? You haven't given evidence supporting your claim either.
@@hondotheology Elect means chosen for service... not for salvation... Romans 9-11
Election is not about salvation, but rather it's about revelation 🤯. Wow. These few minutes have completely transformed my view on election.
Same!!! I’m mind-blown!
These comments simply illustrate and affirm that if the sinner hates a Biblical doctrine enough, he’ll be sure to slither his way around it, rather than submitting humbly to the truth.
Peter’s words remain true to this day, in regards to Apostle Paul’s writings -
“There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.”
Except he made a fundamental error confusing corporate and personal election. Paul corrects his fallacy in Romans 9:6-23.
Calvinism makes no sense and I was a Calvinist for over twenty years.
Limited Atonement ? Really? What about John 1:29 and 1 John 2:2 ?
“Election is about access to the truth.”
~ Dr. Michael Heiser has, in his brilliant tradition, captured the answer to centuries of debate on the topic of election in one simple and succinct sentence! Bravo!
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That opening line at the beginning of the video is an absolute haymaker.
This is the best format so far; he opens most of these with a big zinger like that. It's priceless.
@@magykjames9534 Priceless you say? You’ll soon find out that you’ve been deceived and blinded to Christ all along by this man but I pray you find out soon enough to repent and flee from him 🙏🏾
I’m not healthy enough to Go to college right now. Thank you, this gives me the ability to have higher education in classes I would want to take. God bless
Paul actually addresses this issue. Not all Israel is Israel.
"But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed."
Romans 9:6-8
So the elect is the subset of that nation "according to election" as Paul says in chapter 11. He uses the example of Elijah complaining about the people of Israel as a whole being baal worshippers.
"Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
Romans 11:4-5
It's interesting that in the example of the Israelites, God invites more people into the people of God than who are actually elect. God extends the invitation to many to come and partake of his goodness, but it's those elect individuals who apparently do not bow the knee to Baal in the end.
Some were not of Israel but responded to the invitation (drawing by the Father) to partake in becoming part of the true Israel, e.g. Ruth.
@@gert_kruger the drawing of John 6 doesn’t apply to everyone. If you just read through John you see a consistent pattern. The difference between belief and unbelief in people has to do with God, not the people.
The invitation thing you mentioned is the sole reason why one is elected: Include others. Why one is elected? Why Abraham was elected? Why did Noah, Israel...why was Jesus elected? To bless and include others. God do not choose one *over* others. He chooses one *in favor* of others. No need to mention some will never make it. But theres plenty of fun to know im included in the Trinitys life due to the Justice and election of Other One.
that's why I think here Dr. Heiser gives a non response to the subject of God's sovereignty. My assessment is that despite being a great scholar, Heiser is also trying hard to be "politically correct" (here and in other instances that I've spotted throughout my time following his speeches). I believe God is not "politically correct" and we shouldn't frame Him like that, unless we want to offend His just nature
@@theodorsteff You've obviously not delved deep in his expert content... I am horrified by the false doctrine denominations who hold such sway in the people's minds! We are repeatedly told to renew our minds!!!!
I love your teachings, Dr. Heiser. They've really helped me in any cognitive dissonance I've experienced and really helped me to witness to Atheists and Agnostics particularly. I'm so sorry to hear about your diagnosis and I'm praying for a miracle for you but also for comfort. Thank you so much for all of your service to the Kingdom of God.
Were you initially Calvinist ?
I love learning from Dr. Heiser. What a true blessing he was and is to so many. I only wish I had discovered him sooner! Thank you for continuing with his teachings!
Thank you Dr. Heiser! Thank you for bringing light on ignored and misunderstood parts of scripture. Praise and glory be unto the Father forever and ever Amen. Keep bringing the truth and the light to the world!!
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
Romans 9:6-8 ESV
bible.com/bible/59/rom.9.6-8.ESV
@@arbogastosambumbia7649 Scripture can not be broken. It will never fail.
Dr. Heiser, I never looked at election/chosen from that perspective. Awesome, thank you!
Since I subscribed to your channel, I’ve learn so much. God bless!
How do you allow yourself to be spoiled like that? Have you not yet known the truth of the scriptures? Why are you so easily carried about by every wind of doctrine beloved? 😢
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Is it not written in the scriptures where Christ said “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.” (John 10:27-29)..
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He said “My sheep”, is that not election?
@brandedforchrist Wow. Your ego is massive. You jump on someone else so you can try to sound intelligent and super important, and all you accomplished was to literally shoehorn John 10 into your Calvinistic outlook. Nice eisegesis there, turbo.
@@brandedforchristSad indeed, how easily deceived these people are.
That was perfect. Thank you.
This is so helpful to me. RIP Dr. Heiser.
I 🥰 him. He opened up Scripture like no one else.
Love and pray for him all the time , just love his teachings and lectures .
This is absolutely excellent! Thank goodness we still have his channel. He is missed.
As a new Christian, in my struggle to overcome sin, I cried myself to sleep one night. I dreamt that I was being prosecuted and was about to go to court. I had no idea what my defense might be until the Holy Spirit said "1 Thessalonians 1:4." I was not familiar with this verse so upon waking, I looked it up; "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God." The revelation of this verse was both astounding and reassuring to me at the time.
Wow what a beautiful dream God gave you!
I'm pretty sure you're having your sins forgiven... And accepting that reality... Should clear up any confusion once you awake... "Happy is the man whose mind is stayed upon the Lord" 🙏💪
I’ve always hated the caricatures denominations create between election and man’s freewill. It’s not an either/or, it’s a both/and. God’s drawing is necessary, otherwise, like Jesus says, we can’t even see the Kingdom of Heaven.
And the calling... Salvation is open to the world... Decisions decisions 🤣🙏
2 Peter 3:9 He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
This verse doesn't concern all men for all time. It's in the context of those God was saving leading up to and including the events and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70AD.
@@JR-rs5qsThat’s clearly false and unscriptural. God desires all are saved and is the savior of all (1 Timothy 3:10).
@christsavesreadromans1096 the context of 2 Pet 3:9 is the passing away of Heaven and Earth, i.e. the Old Covenant Age, not the actual physical destruction and remaking of the Cosmos. The promise Peter refers to a few verses later is that of Isa 65 and 66 where there's still death, babies being born, etc. However, this NH&NE is new because righteousness dwells. I think you meant to share a different verse than 1 Tim 3:10.
@@JR-rs5qs You’re right, 1 Timothy 4:10, my bad.
@@JR-rs5qsPeter was executed before the destruction in 70AD, so no, he wasn’t writing with that in mind. It means what it says: God wants everyone to be saved. John 3:16 and 17 reiterate that as well.
I feel more and more that the sign of Jonah is alive at this time on this imperfect platform. More children of Yahuwah are waking up to Torah, Israel, and Yahushua’s mercy. He told us in John:1:1 exactly who He is... and thanks to His love and mercy I get to learn His Word. It helps me understand the letters from the apostles so much more clearly. Thank you for your voice I was blessed with a heart to love... but teaching His Word takes a gift. You and many other Berean’s gift us with your take and knowledge and it humbles me. Baruk Ha’Shem Yahuwah brother Mike!
Taken from BibleRef: "What does Romans 9:7 mean?
Not everyone physically descended from Israel actually belongs to Israel. That's what Paul wrote in the previous verse. He seems to have meant something similar to what he wrote in Romans 2:28 that "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly." The spiritual aspect of our relationship with God is far more important than our ethnicity, heritage, or biology.
Now Paul begins to give examples from Israel's history to clarify his point. To begin with, not all of Abraham's offspring were counted as the "children of Abraham." Some of them were not included in God's promises to Abraham's descendants. Both Abraham's son Ishmael, born before Isaac (Genesis 16), and his sons with Keturah, born long after Isaac (Genesis 25:1-4) were excluded from Israel.
Paul quotes from Genesis 21:12 where God said to Abraham that it is through Isaac that his offspring will be named. Jesus made similar remarks to His critics, as recorded in the gospel of John (John 8:36-39)."
God doesn't choose people for hell. He chooses them for heaven. It's a fairly important distinction. None of us are worthy of heaven at all. Every person saved is a miracle.
Thank you. His teachings never disappoint!
Those whom he predestined he call. Those whom he predestined he justified. Those whom he justified he glorified.
I attend a Calvinist church but I do not believe in predestination before birth for hell or glory. It is not biblical. Love your videos, I'm learning a lot.
Election is not merely access to the truth, but an unbroken chain that includes access to the truth and ends glorification (aka heaven). Scripture says:
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Romans 8:29-30 NASB2020
bible.com/bible/2692/rom.8.29-30.NASB2020
How about his one from Ephesians:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, with which He favored us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He set forth in Him, regarding His plan of the fullness of the times, to bring all things together in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him we also have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things in accordance with the plan of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in the Christ would be to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:3-12 NASB2020
bible.com/bible/2692/eph.1.3-12.NASB2020
@@citizen1981 Amen.
Fallen humanity has a BIG problem with the sovereignty of Almighty God. That is where the rejection comes. They are offended by it. They want to be the sovereign part themselves.
@@bosse641 A whole bunch of libel to make up for a complete deficiency of truth.
@@bosse641 To grasp that God really is sovereign. Isn't that what prophecy is? Two scriptures tell us that the cross was 'destined' or 'before the foundations'. God knows who will reject Him and who will not. It's quite interesting!
@@kristenspencer9751 ....We do not choose God. His chosen ones are chosen of Him before the foundation of the world. John 15:16 / Romans 9:15 We are dead(spiritually) sinners, in the grave, hopelessly lost, until sovereign God reaches down into the grave and gives us faith and life. Salvation is ALL of Him. By His grace and mercy. We are only on the receiving end. We do nothing.
The answer to predestination is in understanding that God is omnipotent omnipotent and omnipresent. Jehovah understands and sees the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning. He knows who will turn away and He knows who will repent and return. I believe we are sealed from the foundation of the Earth, but because the father knows that we will choose Him, because we always have free will and choice. This is beyond our comprehension as a human. This is a greater Kingdom principle and a mystery. The Lord Jesus knows what sheep belong to him, and He will seek out His sheep. While He knows, we do not. It is up to us to continually stay in relationship with Him.
Once again, Dr. Heiser applies reasoning and it works quite well.
Not reasoning but exegesis which seeks to understand what the original speaker or writer meant by the words in their context,
@@lynncomstock1255 And who’s the Writer of the scriptures? I know Mr Heiser has told you guys that it is Jewish men that wrote the scriptures but that’s a lie, it is God who wrote the scriptures and it God who teaches us the scriptures not men.. Mr Heiser tries to get into the mind of the physical writers of the Bible instead of him to get inside the mind of Christ so that he can understand the scriptures as the truth is in Christ Jesus and you blindly follow him into the minds of the writers instead of getting into of the mind of Christ through Spirit .. Repent!
@@brandedforchrist Heiser has other believes that I think may be damning like this divine council being a way to sneak polytheism in, but I havent seen enough to really condemn his theology though it is concerning none-the-less.
@@dankmartin6510 There’s a post in this channel where Mr Heiser said that the reason why Jesus Christ doesn’t know when He will return is because He wasn’t fully God in the flesh, that Jesus Christ wasn’t omniscient in the flesh and that His flesh limited His Deity, isn’t that complete heresy? Will the Holy Spirit teach a man that Jesus Christ wasn’t fully God in the flesh?
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Mr Heiser uses philosophy and traditions of the Jews to spoil those who haven’t learned of Christ, he tries to get into the minds of the writers of the Bible instead of him to seek the mind of Christ who Authored the Bible but used men as vessels to accomplish it.. The writers were not writing from their own understanding, they were writing what the Spirit wanted them to write and it is the Spirit who teaches us the scriptures because He authored it.
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I have been listening to Heiser for years but God brought me out of his false teachings that are totally contrary to the truth..
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Imagine saying God was speaking to the divine council when He said “let us make man in our own image” and people believed it.. He also said that Psalms 82 was God speaking to the divine council but when Christ referenced that verse of scripture, He said God was speaking to men and He used to defend His claim that He’s the Son of God.. The contradictions in his teachings are so glaring to those who have learnt of Christ to an extent because the truth is in Christ Jesus
I have never heard this take before of election...this is fascinating and makes so much more sense than the Calvinistic interpretation, or even the Arminian "corporate" model.
So true! Was just recently looking at how called and chosen (election) are used in the NT and comparing to OT, etc. It is quickly apparent, unless one is hopelessly predisposed to a tradition that induces mental and scriptural gymnastics, that they are not synonymous with salvation. Although, it appears to me right now that the context determines the meaning which is not strictly consistent.
Did you noticed how he didn’t mention election as it is Christ but only focused on the election of Israel? That alone is proof that this man is an enemy of Christ but those who are not Christ’s will not see it but those who are Christ’s will see it and flee from him..
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Please explain this verse for me since you say we are not chosen unto salvation from the beginning
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“but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.”- John 10:26-29
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When did we become His sheep? When did the Father gave us to Him? Why do He give us eternal life and why can we never perish?
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Let’s see who will do gymnastics today?
@@brandedforchristwe are not sheep. And Jesus wasn't talking to you. Pls read in context. Are you Israelite by blood?
@@PinoyMusicRevolution Jesus was talking to me and I’m His sheep, by faith in Christ, I’ve become a son of Abraham (Galatians 3:7), I’m now part of the spiritual Israel, drafted in by faith..
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Jesus called me a sheep ➡️ “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”(John 10:16)
He gives us free will because love isn't forced forced love is evil our God Reigns the only way to the father is through his son know his words they are the bread with him you will never hunger FREE IN LORD CHRIST JESUS
I think a huge misconception among people first introduced to the doctrine of election is that God “predestines” or “sends” people to hell. He does no such thing. Damnation is already our destination due to our being born of a sinful nature. That is why God the Father did his saving work through God the Son to bring us back into a relationship with Him and out of the direction we are already headed (hell - eternity outside of/apart from God). It is by His grace and mercy we are saved alone through faith in Christ as our lord and savior. We are completely and utterly without merit for being saved and yet He loves us so much that some, chosen of His good and perfect will, are brought into glory with Him. Rather than asking “Why doesn’t God save everyone?” it’s likely best to ask “Why does God save anyone?”. And the simple answer is... for His glory!
*Election is functional not personal. So, a group of people are 'chosen' not to BE something but to DO something. It falls right in line with the Seed Principle found all throughout the Bible*
God wants all people to be saved because He is love, and love is not self-seeking. (1 Timothy 2:4, 1 John 4:8, 1 Corinthians 13:1)
Who gave us this sin nature from birth?
@@lukusmaximus Adam lol
@@BabyFed *Exactly*
I think my understanding of Salvation/election/predestination is easier then Michaels. In a nut shell. The key, is understanding the fact that God exists outside of time. So He sees everything happening from the beginning to the end, in one moment or instant. Because of that fact God allows our choices in time, to become His choice in eternity. We our writing our own epithet by our choices. Choices which become God's choice for us from the very beginning. How can we break the cycle? Simply by making the choice to make God/Jesus Christ are one and only Savior. We then become His Chosen. However it is true that we must remain His Chosen. By not going back to trying to save ourselves by our own works, instead of continuing to live in Him and by Him. The heathen world and the Devil all reject God's salvation because of what the end of it is. Which is we our all equal in the family of God, and we all owe everything we have to God. Worship only Him. The lost all want to be worshipped by others, and elevated over others, whom they can look down on.
I don't believe in coincidence. I did not "stumble" upon Dr Heiser. He connected many many dots for me in regards to the unseen realm. I'll be eternally grateful. He has no questions now. ❤❤❤❤❤
If you sin, you are not saved. Salvation is being freed from sin, living holy and separate. Judgement day is coming! Repent and obey the New Testament Kjv.
Awesome thank you for clearing this up
ABBA Father loved the WHOLE WORLD in Jn 3:16
Even though He knows who will end up in the Lake of Fire, Verse 18 is why people go to hell and it doesn't say by some sort of pre-election to go to hell:
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Thank you, Michael. Lord bless you, brother.
For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I call you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.
Make a narrow cut at 1.25k to get rid of that feedback ring.
*I think youd have to make a few eq notches between 1k & 3k to get rid of that. Those headset mics are notorious for that. We had a set up with a cluster that was right over the podium and the guy insisted on a headset mic. The feedback from those things is annoying like nothing else except maybe for acoustic guitars.*
I think it's a little lower, aroung 800 hz.@@thetruthchannel349
@@ohyau2 Ya, theres 2 different rings. One from the room ambience as a result of the feedback and the other from the feedback itself so it could even dip down to 400hz.
I found my people! So this is where the church sound guys hang out lol
I'm wondering if this was recorded on a room mic not direct from the board.
You have made me breath so many sighs of relief. So much of this didn't make sense.
How did he do that? He doesn’t know any more than you.
With regards to election in the new Testament, whenever the word elect is used in the new Testament, it’s always referring to believers.
Consider the following verses:
1. **Matthew 24:22**
"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
2. **Matthew 24:24**
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
3. **Matthew 24:31**
"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
4. **Mark 13:20**
"And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."
5. **Mark 13:22**
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."
6. **Mark 13:27**
"And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
7. **Luke 18:7**
"And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?"
8. **Romans 8:33**
"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth."
9. **Romans 9:11**
"(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)"
10. **Romans 11:5**
"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
11. **Romans 11:7**
"What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."
12. **Colossians 3:12**
"Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;"
13. **2 Timothy 2:10**
"Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory."
14. **Titus 1:1**
"Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;"
15. **1 Peter 1:2**
"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."
16. **1 Peter 2:6**
"Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded."
17. **2 Peter 1:10**
"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
18. **2 John 1:1**
"The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;"
19. **2 John 1:13**
"The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen."
The dislikes are calvinists.😅 But seriously, great material Dr. Heiser🤓👍👍
The Nine?! Ring wraiths...
One Election to rule them all.
Wow, thanks for making that clear----for the 1st time!😎
“For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Yes, the ones that wore the wedding garments were chosen.
Yes. And ALL that are called are justified and glorified.
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Common Predestination understanding of Mainstream Christianity is also Calvinism.
@@johntrevett2944 Not too fast, those whom he predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son - those were called etc..
All of those predestined to be conformed, not all that were called.
@@Jus4kiks The text says ALL that are called ARE justified AND glorified. Not everyone is called.
dont shut down this account... it helps thousands of people to have a clearer picture of the Bible
They were chosen as a distinct people, and the people with whom the Messiah would come from. They were chosen for fulfillment of prophecy.
The Bible is clear that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ!
Genesis 15:6: “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
Habakkuk 2:4: “Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”
Mark 1:15: “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
John 3:(14,)15: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.“
John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “
John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”
John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.”
John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)”
Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 10:43: “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
Acts 11:17,18: “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”
@Shameless Papist good luck with everything hey bro
Thank you Dennis,that was not lost on me!...It's so sad to see these catholics trying so hard to willfully reject plain scripture.If they really got into Mr.Heiser these guys would see what gods they are literally worshipping.It freaks me out because i'm a first responder and prison minister that sees so many good things these guys do within the community,then turn right around and kiss up to dead powerless idols.Anyway,you're much appreciated 👊❗️
@@bjones5791 👍🏻😎 It’s all what Jesus did for us not what we do for Jesus faith alone in Christ Jesus alone period! Thank you Jesus ❤️🙏🏻
What Heiser does not grasp is this: everyone is called to serve the Lord, but not everyone called to serve the Lord is also called to be saved, elected. Jesus makes this clear about the 12 disciples in John 17. The same applies to the nation of Israel.
This is fascinating. If the word elect means, “to have access to the truth” then Matt 24;24 takes on new meaning.
First time seeing this!!! Thanks!!
Sure does, great catch! For those who ask how the elect can be fooled and lose their salvation, they don't necessarily have it
Elect means chosen.
Elect: chosen to service.
Gnosis means knowledge of spiritual information.
Gnosticism: is teaching the knowledge of that information in a deceptive way.
There is a responsibility to knowing the 'Truth', and that you are 'elect'.
For only Christ is the Elect One.
His Truth requires men to share that truth as they are His servants.
The 'knowledge' only comes from those truly in Him Christ.
Gnosis means knowledge.
I had a comment deleted months ago when stating to become a god is to self-promote oneself to a ruler, authority, when God did not.
Knowing knowledge of salvation and using against God's will is gnosticism.
that's smart I bind fascinating and multyfacets of mankind and the earthly ungodly
@@abashedsanctimony154 was the tree of knowledge of good and evil the avenue or portal to Gnosticism?
Not all who are called "Israel" are of Israel. The elect are not the Israel of the flesh, but the Israel of the Spirit. To deny this, we would have to rip anything written by Paul out of our Bibles. It is plain.
I would love Dr. Heiser to explain what else Paul could be meaning by the many passages where he says salvation is through Gods grace and election (to name a couple Ephesians 2 8-9 and especially all of Romans 9). I understand Gods election of Israel is not salvation because Paul explains that but then while breaking that down he builds the argument that salvation through Christ is an act of grace even foreknown by God. Or in other words election if not a new and better election. I guess I would have to fall under the term Calvinist (although I very much have fought against it) I wasn’t raised that way but after studying the gospels I can’t find any refute to it logically. Even passages where people argue against determinism like with God telling Jonah he’s going to destroy Nineveh but then changes his mind can still be seen as determinism because the point wasn’t that God was going to destroy Nineveh the point was to have Jonah be obedient and teach him that God can show mercy to whom he chooses. So he didn’t really change his mind that outcome was already known by an omniscient God but if he had told Jonah hey got prophecy their destruction and on by the way they will repent so I won’t actually destroy them Jonah probably wouldn’t have learned the lesson in a meaningful way that we Today can also learn from.
Edit* I also have known for some time he swayed more to Armenian views than Calvinism due to his position on the image of God as it relates to our creation. I happen to Agree with his explanation on the image but I don’t think we have to have completely free will to be God’s image bearers. We can be his image bearers in the sense that he has appointed mankind to have and inherit the earth making choices under the illusion of free will by being guided to our choices by His invisible hand. True Free Will would require a reality with zero consequences. You can’t make a person form them for a vessel of honor who has been shaped by his God ordained environment when you know all the possible outcomes then put that person in a situation you know will end in the result you want by them making a “choice” and call that free will. And even if you don’t like that God is right in that. As Paul says in Romans 9:19-21 19“You will say to me then, ‘Why does He still find fault? For who can resist his will?’ 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, ‘Why have you made me like this?’ 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?”
Romans 9, is not hard to understand. Just start at the beginning of Romans 9. Paul makes it clear that he is going to talk about the Jewish people who were the ones to receive the promise. It would come through Jacob, not Esau. The whole Love Hate wording is a Jewish saying which uses the exact same words Jesus used when He said if you love Him you must hate your father, mother, wife, husband, and child. It does not mean damn your mom to hell, it means to give preference to Jesus over them. Much like God gave Esau a mountain and nation but gave Jacob the much greater gift of being the branch from which Christ would come.
@@rdoncarlos I’m fully aware that his saying Jacob I Loved but Esau I hated didn’t mean he was damning Esau. That’s not what I was talking about. I also understand Paul is speaking to Jews concerned and confused why more of the chosen people of God are now seemingly not being chosen for salvation. My problem is when you take the large number of instances Paul clearly stated in usually plain language that No one through free will chosen Jesus and thus salvation. But our ability to understand and receive the gospel and believe and accept Jesus comes through the Holy Spirit giving us our understanding and faith. If it was one time and said in a metaphorical way sure no problem. But it’s repeated over and over clearly and plainly.
If you go back and read the exodus account that Paul alludes to in Romans chapter 9 you see this progression where pharaoh hardens his heart but near the end he’s actually had enough and wants them to go but the final plague hasn’t happened yet and there it says God hardened his heart ultimately making pharaoh change his mind. Now if God can and clearly does influence us to make decisions we weren’t going to make through free will .... is there actually free will? That is the thing I’ve never had explained to me and why I’m left to just believe the text means what it says. That sure we might have the illusion of free will but what god has ordained will happen no matter what we “choose” through our own or some outside influence interceding. And Paul clearly states our salvation, even our faith which gives us said salvation is not our own but bestowed upon us as a gift. Did we believe and make a choice to follow Christ... Yes... but were we always going to get there ... well clearly that too or we would be vessels of dishonor created for destruction. Does that mean we don’t evangelize because God already has his list of pre destined so it doesn’t matter what we do they will find him eventually? Absolutely not! We must because even though someone maybe predestined to God we don’t know who is or who isn’t and the way those are called are by us proclaiming the gospels.
Sooo does it really matter.... I guess not Armenian.... Calcanists.... we all believe salvation through believe in Jesus and that we must spread the gospels .... just one of those things we’ll all find out later and we won’t care who was right or wrong in the end
@@EmergencyMoto Augustine Calvinism is rooted in gnostic philosophy (specifically Manicheanism). The early church fathers believed in free will along with Augustine, until his gnostic influence changed his position because of infants and baptism. Where do you think the doctrine of total depravity comes from? Gnosticism!
We are depraved, and salvation does belong to God, and it is Him who initiates salvation, but the imago day remains before regeneration. We all have the capacity to respond to God’s prevenient grace when we hear the proclamation of His Word through the anointing of the Spirit (faith cometh by hearing).
Predestination does not nullify free will; it supports it. God has predestined us according to His foreknowledge (1 Pet 1:1). Only a God who supremely reigns over His creation could ”work out all things according to the counsel of His will” while allowing His created beings to remain autonomous.
God did not make automatons; if He had, He would be a liar, considering authentic love is only demonstrated through freedom of choice. And we know that ”God is not a man that He should lie” (Numbers 23:19).
Ravi Zacharias states:
”If love is the supreme ethic and freedom is indispensable to love, and God’s supreme goal for you and me is to love Him with all our heart and our neighbor as our self, for Him to violate our free will would be to violate that which is a necessary component so that love can flourish and be expressed.”
Monergistic Determinism over-emphasizes God’s sovereignty and power at the expense of His love and justice.
@@upsidedownkingdomministrie7405 it’s a nice thought but again no one ever deals with the text this is a classic example where someone will spout some history or a church father or use a verse that proves one thing they are trying to prove like (God does not lie) but that is only to proof their own believe of what they think God can do and in this case what love and feee will is.
But that isn’t what the text says. Again I challenge you (or anyone) read the exodus story back in exodus that Paul alludes to in Romans 9 .... you say “authentic love is only demonstrated through freedom of choice” .... but God didn’t give pharaoh a choice .... in fact the text says pharaoh made his choice to give in to God’s and Moses command but then God hardened his heart ...taking that choice away....
Look I’m not coming from a place of malice and I don’t want to cause dissension amongst brothers... but either the text that clearly says God caused pharaohs heart to be hardened and changed his mind is a error in translation or we have change our idea of authentic love because that’s just one example God influences choice.
To use one of Heiser own famous Devine council references the two kings of Israel got together and while the king of Israel’s prophets of Baal told him to go and attack he would be victorious. The king of Judah ask for a prophet of Yahweh who basically says God sent a member of the Divine council to be a lying spirit to Baals prophets to get him to go and fall. Sooo it’s not just one there are many examples of God interfering with supposed free will.
Again I don’t have a problem with God’s right to do this. He’s God and I’m not. And it only strengthens my love for God that he despite myself would choose me and give me the grace of a belief in him and faith in our Lord Jesus.
"through Gods grace and election" *Look at that word in the Greek. It just means CALLED*
To see the lack of truth is America these days is a clue that we are no longer blessed. God will have to forgive America before he will again bless it.
Michael, you influenced me, whether you meant to or not, but your writings have moved me towards Orthodox Christianity. Your views are right along with their theology. Look out you might be Orthodox too!
Excellent explanation
I have never heard a bigger misunderstanding of the doctrine of election than what he just presented.
I agree, for thousands of years elect meant elect even church fathers agreed on this. Just recently is where we get people arguing in big groups against it. Of course we had small groups come back then to argue but were considered false after presenting the argument.
Charles, time to choose to be informed , not reformed. Calvinism is a deception from the satan.
Not sure I follow the logic here…since election isn’t always about salvation, that means election is never about salvation?
Agreed, election is not salvation, but there's an election FOR salvation meaning those elected for salvation will repent and believe on Christ.
But there isn't election for salvation. God's will is none should parish and even to His elect He says He held out His hands all day to and they spurned Him and chose destruction. Unconditional election is a lie of the demonic doctrines of Calvinism. Their God is who the devil would be if he was God not who God actually is.
Calvinists go to hell because they are idolators, do not have the Holy Spirit, and trust in their works to prove their salvation rather than trusting in Christ. It's a different gospel, a different Jesus, a different God, a different spirit.
I understand this is very difficult to comprehend when you've been deceived into that cult for years or even if certain demonic strongholds have been established in your mind by Calvinist teaching.
I pray in Jesus' name that you will humble yourself before the Lord and repent of your religious pride and trust only in Christ!
@@tannerfrancisco8759 wow, it seems like you know hearts like God to judge that way!
What a sad gospel when it’s not the good news. The elect are those who are born again, and those who are born again have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If a man has the spirit of Christ, he belongs to him. It is by grace ye are saved, through faith, and not of yourselves, it is the gift of God lest any man should boast.
Look at all the angry calvinists that put thumbs down lol great work Michael
Exactly lol
If a people today were elect, and both had access to the truth and learned who the true God is... how would they (and their beliefs) be viewed by mainstream christianity?
"...God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation" -2 Thessalonians. Dr. Heiser is sometimes flippant in his dismissal of clear scriptural teachings, as he is when he pretends Hell might not be eternal.
When the Apocalypse comes, God will point the finger at Mike and say, "Hey, he's the one who insisted on telling it like it is; how long did you think this could happen before the end would come?"
Very clear. Thank you.
Not all Israel is Israel. Meaning not every physical descendant of Abraham is elect. Not everyone who says a prayer of salvation, attends a church building and speaks Christianese is saved. Paul touches on all the great biblical themes in that hyper-complex sentence - sanctification, adoption, redemption, and glorification - and all of them rest on one foundational doctrine, the doctrine of election. The most superlative spiritual blessings stand on Ephesians 1:4 - "He chose us [elected us] in Him before the foundation of the world." More on this here: www.oneplace.com/ministries/grace-to-you/read/articles/is-the-doctrine-of-election-biblical-9025.html
That's not what it means. It never says that. In fact. Paul goes on to say that the reason some the elect did not find the righteousness of God was because they didn't seek it by faith. The Bible never says that any descendant of Abraham was not elect. Their descendency and lineage is their election.
@@heyman5525
Election according to the flesh and election of grace are not the same. The former is *_"to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises"._* The latter is chosen *_"to the adoption of children; to live a sanctified, holy life and without blame before (God) in love"_* (see Ephesians 1:4-5).
@@paeng46There is only one consistent covenant which the covenant and blessing to Abraham and his descendants. Now, you're going to have to somehow make a case that those within that covenant were not actually in that covenant. Because those are the elect. And you're going to have to somehow make a case that God's election was not real election due to dispensations.
@@heyman5525
"They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed"(Romans 9:8). And "know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham"(Galatians 3:7). "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."(v.9).
@@paeng46 But that doesn't even remotely say that there were some in the election of Israel who were intentionally unelected by God. That's a made up idea.
I love the part where he exegeted scripture to establish his claims.
lol … yup
I like this fella!
So, what would be your take on Romans 9:17-23 then? It seems like a good argument in favor of predestination.
Still miss you Dr Heiser.
I enjoy listen to Dr. Heiser and I am currently reading/studying The Unseen Realm. However, I personally think there's more to the doctrine of Election. Election in OT is not the same in the NT. Context is everything. The reason I say that is because I have studied it for many years. I was in the midst of SBC vs Reform theology studying the 5 points of Calvinism. And, yes, as of this moment I am a Calvinist/Reformed. Now, I dont want to say that Calvinism has it all figured out. We are just men trying to figure out God and His wonders. Needless to say, Dr. Heiser is a Godly man that challenges me and graciously teaches me. God bless Michael Heiser.
Why not just be a Christian?
Why does God need you to add anything to His Word?
Do you think He's an imbecile, that needs you the 'splain what He said?
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Calvinism is Hinduism. Enlightenment before self-realization or salvation. Christianity is belief before salvation.
I generally agree with Dr Mike but not with this position. Election for Israel was about identification. In the NT the understanding of election or predestination, is according to a salvific understanding. Being “ in Christ “ via a divine act of grace ( Ephesians 2:8-10) is nothing less than a monergistic act of God.
*Dude. Seriously?*
He's more so referring to the once saved always saved crowd. As a reformed guy I can appreciate this explanation. Like Paul said I have persevered till the end. There's those people who will here the words but fall away from the faith after a while. A true believer has a new heart, will long to follow.
Why are they true believers? The new heart you speak of, Is it of their own doing? Who made them believe in Christ? Who drew them to Christ? Who keeps them from being snatched out of Christ’s hand? Who is keeping them from stumbling?
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I could have attached all the verses where all these questions were answered but I believe you know these verses and so you ought to know the answers to these questions
@@brandedforchristthe Holy Spirit is the one who seals the Believer. Read 1 CORINTHIANS 15:1-4.
@@PinoyMusicRevolution Very true and He’s the One keeping believers till the end.. But Mr Heiser is denying the election unto salvation and that’s completely wrong, we are predestined unto salvation, we are not saved by our own doing
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Romans 9:6-13 ESV
It doesn’t matter how many times we put forth Romans 9 to an Armenian mindset. They avoid that chapter like a plague because in plain language clearly states something they can’t refute or say is an metaphor for something other than determinism. The best I’ve ever heard is connecting this to the fact that Paul was trying to explain to a concerned group of Jewish believers that their rejection by their fellow Jews was a fulfillment of prophecy and God foresaw the choices his people would make and that God is still good and his elect people Israel were needed to bring about a hope for all humanity. But that still doesn’t address the elephant in the room that it clearly states God forced pharaohs choices by hardening his Heart and that some vessels are made (and as we believe everyone is made and designed by God) for dishonorable use and destruction.
Never can get a satisfying answer to that one lol they just counter with some other passage or reason we have free will
@@EmergencyMoto I agree that many will stubbornly always refuse to change their minds. But the word of God never fails, and its good to leave this passage in the comments so that someone may change their view.
1st Kings 19:18 / Romans 11:4…I have kept (other translations say reserved, or leave, or spared) 7000 who will not bend their knee.
I need to hear his exegesis on this passage, also Romans chapters 3 and 9. mankind is a slave to sin and will not choose God.
Many are called but few are Chosen… we are called to be saved but to be chosen for a purpose or to do a thing Is only done when God has a specific plan from eternity past
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Where’s this full teaching at?
It’s part of his awakening school of theology. You have to enroll to get the full lecture. I am part of the first class. Totally worth it if you love Heiser. They have online an online platform.
@@whodeytko thanks! I’ve read all his books and enjoy his scholarship. I’ll have to check it out!
@@whodeytko Does he go over the other stuff about predestination? Like telling the Pharisees their father is the devil (Jn 8:44) indicating the need for a spiritual rebirth, which is not the will of man (Jn 1:13), and how in Acts 13:48 all who were appointed believed? I know there are arguments against these individual verses (and the others) but I don't think I've heard anything wholistic that counters monergism. Or is the argument that this old covenant election is different from the new and has an entirely different context (people can be elected to all sorts of things)?
The trouble is that Jews as a whole are never called elect in the old testament. Individuals are and subgroups are but not the nation as a whole.
Unfortunately he missed the point that the election of Israel is explained and expounded by Paul in Romans
A lot of theological gymnastics to prove the unknowable.
Amen. 😄
Whoa! This turns what I’ve learned about Calvinism on its head! In Calvinist thought the elect are those who are irresistibly saved by God’s divine will and grace through Christ, and that they would not even have a desire to be in relationship with God unless God placed that desire in them, for otherwise the doctrine of the utter depravity of man would render them incapable of having a saving relationship with God. But to hear election defined as being chosen for access, but not necessarily salvation, gives new meaning to John 3:16. God so loved THE WORLD… that WHOEVER… quite universal in its openness of access, yet the world is never called “the elect”, even in the NT, so now I’m thoroughly confused.
Calvinism is not legitimate nor accurate in its assertions. This is why you are thoroughly confused.
That suggests the gentiles became elect, for they have access to the Gospel of Jesus Christ now. Now they have a choice trust and obey or not.
This reminds me of "many are called few are chosen". Are you saying we must choose to be chosen?
@@rawfeekee657yes, we must decide, obey or disobey, I can decide not to believe, I will not be chosen.
"Israel" are those who have the faith of Abraham.
And those are both Jews and Gentiles.
Abrahams children are many more than just Israel.
Chris Bennett yes and as those individuals chosen for salvation are the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes we are sure who is saved and who is not, amen!
Who are you to take for yourselves that which wasn’t given to you? What arrogant usurping of someone else’s relationship. God writes what He means and you come along like jealous little children and claim for yourselves something that Hod says SPECIFICALLY to others, for which you have no basis for support other than that you wanna. And then after the gall to do that you don’t even bother to lift a finger to keep the 613 commandments and even go to the extent of changing commandments to mean something else. (eg Sabbath from 7th to first day....) the unmitigated gall and brazen nerve to swipe God’s gift to a specific people.
@@brentkaufman1723 so you are saying these people can worship Satan and are still going to be taken into heaven?
Thanks for explaining that!
Thanks Michael for that, for I was struggling with this question because it seemed it somehow violent freewill
Can yo give me a Bible verse that proves free will? (not choice, but free will). We are all constrained by or genetics, or history, or parents, or surroundings, etc.
@@24June91 Free will does not mean you're not constrained. Free will means you are free to do what you want given the circumstances. Free will is NOT "total freedom", rather the freedom to think and act for yourself
@@24June91 - nobody is claiming free will, in the way you seem to understand it. If we had THAT kind of free will, I would reach through the internet and smack a few people for their YT comments!
Jan, I think freewill in the bible meens free in your mind to think freely (act to but act is in the mind before you act)
Think of it this way. It will become clear after death what our own will was for. Standing face to face with Jesus will settle within you what it was for on this earth. Not for all the silly debate and technicalities but to be convinced to believe on him.
MANY ARE CALLED,FEW ARE CHOSEN.
He's confusing national election in the OT and personal election described in the gospels, Romans, and Ephesians. it's not a very honest argument to complete ignore that distinction and then give a sweeping dismissal of all Christian history because they maintain the distinction.
How can salvation be disconnected from election when we have: "3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, with which He favored us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. ..." ?? Ephesians 1 (NASB) OT concepts do not automatically become NT concepts (either).
Yep, the confusion here in this video is thinking the election of a nation is the same thing as a individual election. Election of a nation is not salvation, but the individual election is. Simple.
It isn't
The fourth chapter of Galatians comes into play here.
Galatians 4:21-26 KJVS
[21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Verse 25 is key. For more clarity read the ninth chapter of Romans. I include a few verses from that chapter.
Romans 9:6-8 KJVS
[6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
They followed Moses and when he went to the mountain for 40 days & night's they rebelled even Aaron became involved.
This video has a clickbait title. It is clear that God may choose people for different things: to be saved, to have access to the true doctrine, to perform a special mission, etc. The point of the video is that being an elect nation like Israel is not the same as being chosen for salvation. The speaker claims that Israel was rather chosen to have access to the truth about God. This makes sense. However, the title asks whether God chooses some people for hell. This is a different question and a very important one. Yet in the very first minute of the video Dr. Heiser says that he does not care about this question and won't discuss it.
Those who weren't Israelites could wind up on the correct side of God. Rahab for example.
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Okay, so even in Jesus' day, his audiences were not confused about where they go in death, the understood they went to the Bosom of Abraham, no? Jesus didn't preach heaven/hell theology, he preached ''the kingdom of God/Heaven", as in it is "at hand".
I think it's time to observe Jesus' take on heaven and (hell) a concept which came in from the Greek/Roman pagan traditions. Our heaven, hell and eternity, understanding is seriously flawed. What are your thoughts?
BTW, just found your work, am intrigued, keep up the fight, I know it's hard to go against the grain..
Wow I did not know this, thank you I will be sharing for sure. Thank you!
The bride is the righteous, and the 144,000 are the elect. So this idea that when the rapture happens the whole world will descend into chaos, and airplanes will fall out of the sky is ridiculous. At any given time there are ONLY ten-thousand people filled with the holy spirit. In revelation it says, "Behold I come with ten-thousands of my saints." The 144,000 are the lord's inheritance, or his elect which are obviously the twelve tribes if Israel. I have a new channel called, Jimmy Bates with content about this if anyone is interested.
Love your videos!
There's a difference in being the seed of Abraham by flesh or by promise.
This is the difference in being part of the covenant and being part of the elect. Not all who are part of the covenant are part of the elect.
Awesome as always
"Go and welcome them whom them who I`ve invited to my banket...but all of them were busy. The king became angry and said to the servent to go out on the streets and invite anyone who wants... and the servent did so. And they all came...(sorry poor english)..
According to the calvinists an elect cannot refuse, only those who are not elected can. And the jewes are the elected but they refused to believe. So God chose the gentiles instead, which wasn`t elected....(?) 🤔
That's simple, sound biblical interpretation, which is Kryptonite to a Calvinist.
John 13:14-19
[14] If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. [15] For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you. [16] Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. [17] If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them. [18] I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’ [19] I am telling you this now, before it takes place, that when it does take place you may believe that I am he.
There are different types of choosing God does. When Jesus chose His original 12 disciples, he included Judas. Yet, in the passage above, Jesus refers to Judas as outside of the “chosen”. The presence of one form of choosing by God, an election of a nation for instance, does not negate His sovereign choice to save those whom He has elected into eternal salvation. It’s just simply impossible to make the scriptures void of Gods sovereign choice in this matter. Read Ephesians 1 and try to make it mean something different. Another example: Elijah crying to God that He’s the only one left in Israel that loved the Lord -> Gods response? “I have kept for myself 7000 men who have not bowed the knee to Baal”. Even the Old Testament provides a backdrop for these two types of election. Yes, God performs a form of choosing that doesn’t mean salvation, but this doesn’t negate the fact that the whole of scripture attests to God having complete freedom to choose whomever He wills to be saved.
RIP Dr Heiser... however this is one of the things I was critical of: Some of the teachings were "distinction without a difference."
Thank you sir. Ye shall know the truth...
Predestination is such a strange concept. Of course God knows who will and not be there in the end with Him. He knew it before He created the universe. BUT and here is the mind boggling part of the real truth. God does not ever interfere with free will. His plan is accomplished even if we we say "no". Are choices are our own and God is so unbelievably powerful that He accounts for every choice and the result is the same. So yes God knows but he did not choose who goes to hell... that is the result of combined choices that you are totally free to make. God does not send anyone to hell. He made the rules... He even gave us a mulligan and there will still be those that freely choose to go their own way. Their choice not HIS. He plays by His own rules and makes sure we know it. This is why we have to tell everyone. And not think we were "chosen". The choice is OURS. This is why it is not a lie when God states that he is not willing that any should perish. Again we choose Him and that choice is of our own free will and how we interact with the choice in our individual lives. If you don't do something, someone else will. My Dad used to say if the wright brothers had opted to stop trying to build a viable flying machine then someone else would have. Who knows... they might have been way down the line of people who tried and gave up before succeeding. How great is our God who gives the complete freedom to choose Him or not and still accomplishes His plan? Can you even begin to wrap your mind around that fundamental truth?