@@nicktheworld5356 If you're searching for meaning in your own life you're gonna have to bang your own two brain cells together to figure that one out. If you're looking for the rest of the world to have meaning based off of your needs you're gonna have a life filled with questions just like this.
@@NosebleedPolitics 😂😂😂 lmao whaaaat?! Bro why the fuck would anyone need to know when you can find "mining ditches" in this video. 👀👀 BRUH WHERES THE MINING DITCHES AT👀👀
@Umesh It's helpful to track geological features because they often define botanical niches. Many plants will follow human disturbance alone and tracking that can be helpful for understanding the local ecology. Our actions are making a huge impact on the landscape and as important as it is to understand limestone bedding as substrate, it's also becoming important to understand human development land as a substrate. A mining ditch is an area where material from a mine has been extracted and transported across a leveled track over a period of time. In order to arrive at a place and understand that you have to be able to recognize its history. This process is something novel to the Anthropocene and can be understood in the same way we understand any other geological process. Documenting these areas comprehensively and truly understanding their dynamics is tedious work that most of the world simply isn't capable of doing. It isn't the process of defining value and then looking for it in the natural world, it is seeing the natural world as it presents itself and observing what patterns emerge. I have my own reasons for doing this work, and I make it public because I've gotten feedback that they're useful for a variety of reasons. Studying, revisiting what they're interested in, and just finding the dogs. For the lesser known plants you can search their name on TH-cam and CPBBD videos will come up, I suspect from the auto-transcript that is generated by TH-cam being connected to the search function. From that point, one may use my comment to find the exact plant they were looking for. I see these comments as complementary indexes for lasting documentation of fading landscapes. There is some irony in that you are inquisitive and asking good questions. If only you were earnest in seeking answers. Hopefully this comment is for you, but I can hedge my efforts on the knowledge that passers-by will also see this. Now let's rewatch 43:37-44:15 for the effect of that mining ditch.
it's values, sure, but it's mostly the exploitative systems that are based off of and reinforce these values which are at fault. We need to fight these systems rather than think of all humanity as bad. We can do better.
@@categorille8330 I absolutely don't think that humanity is bad. I think it is very complex but in my opinion the economic system is set up to reward those that are willing to play along. Since most people are good at falling in line and doing what others are doing, we just reinforce that it is for our kids and keep pushing the lie to each other. It is clear not only can we do better but we could exploit that same thing in humans to be fit in. In a real commnunity it doesn't make sense to complete. Your kids will do better if you cooperate with others. I know some people with think this is polyanna-ish or whatever. Cynical thinking is so pervasive like our fearless plant expert said in this video. I know humans want to do better but there isn't much space to do that right now. It is accepted to be brutal while at work as long as you contribute to charity or signal to others that you care while outside of the business world. How confusing!? No wonder people go nuts. It is such a fake way to live and deep down we know something isn't right. Just pondering here...what do other people think?
that fucking voicemail at the end just made my week 😂 These videos give me life. I’m glad someone can be out there to sing to these plants, and show them off a bit
I understand and agree with your general point. To add to it, it is our temporary stage of development. Meaning, our social development (psychology) WILL at some point in future development become the primary force for global human societal development. The stage we are at now, yes the political economic development is primary still and will be for some time. I am guessing in the next 200-300 years humanity will achieve such fully integrated global political economic development (capitalism), that we will move to a new stage in which our social development (our minds/consciousness) will for the first time take control [some form of real socialism (i.e. planned political economy)].
I'd say it the other way around. It's our physiology which needs to change for our technology to improve in the right ways and at the right pace. But generally yeah, it's tech which is ahead of our thinking...
Thank you for profiling this plant with such love, and sharing why it is special. So much of the news coverage has just described it as a little scrubby unremarkable plant, not showing it in flower or discussing its unique ecology.
@@katiekane5247 one of the reasons there are so many regulations in place in some places. One thing the EU is good for at least if the actual member states actually enforce them that is. It reminds me of the fishing quotas definitely nowhere near a perfect system but without them a lot of fish would nearly go extinct
@@evilsharkey8954 There aren't "a whole bunch of seeds". Additionally, the fine characteristics of every local microenvironment , including unique soil characteristics at each locus, are not reproducible through human manipulation. Ever try to dig up a wild plant and grow it in your garden? In desert environments, governing environmental conditions that permit one plant to germinate, grow, establish, and reproduce at one micro-locus are so fine-tuned as to be beyond human comprehension, let alone replication. Fuggetaboutit.
Tipi Dan, I’m not the type of person who poaches wild plants for my garden. It’s hard enough to get garden plants to be happy since so many places sell stuff that doesn’t thrive in the local area, even for one season. I’m hoping they go mine somewhere else, but we all know how much influence the almighty dollar has in such matters. In the likely event that they tear up some of the natural environment, they should be required to harvest seed from the populations they’ll destroy and add it to the remaining populations to keep them diverse.
I worked as a Rangeland technician for BLM in central NV, and your plant knowledge beats pretty much anyone I have met and worked with ... we could've used you in our surveys! My favorite plant that I came across out there is the Matted Buckwheat (Eriogonum caespitosum) very similar.
Home means Nevada Home means the hills Home means the sage and the pine. Out where the Truckee silvery rills Out where the sun always shines. There is the land that I love the best Fairer than all I can see. Out in the heart of the golden west Home means Nevada to me. Thanks for the panoramics and appreciating those desert plants! Now I’m missing Nevada!
I enjoy ALL of your videos, but this one made me laugh AND cry the most. As a healthcare worker trying my best every day to provide medical care to patients IN SPITE of what the people in the ivory tower want, I come home every night seething with anger at the system. Your comments about the CEOs of these faceless conglomerates took my mind off my troubles for just a bit. Thanks!
Another awesome video!! Please make more re-greenification planting guides applicable to different environments/soil types + tips and tricks to ensure the survival of newly planted plants
Miocene volcanics, yes. But why all the lithium in volcanics. Same situation in Chile I suppose, leeched out of the andesite. In the case of the Great basin the comparatively thin crust causes geothermal activity which is why most of the lithium comes to the surface, with hot water
The volcanic enrichment comes from small degree fractional melting. Li is a very incompatible element in most rock forming minerals and therefore goes into the melt whenever the rock barely gets hot enough. Typically more associated with rhyolitic magmatism.
I always appreciate the money shots. Fascinating geology out there as well, I don’t want to see it all destroyed for “progress”, or any other reason. I say leave it be, they can dig elsewhere.
kinda reminds me of the story of Plectostoma sciaphilum; it was a snail that lived on one limestone hill that a cement company mined out, and erased the entire species, But hey who needs a unique species endemic to a tiny area when you could get an extra 20 bucks for cigars right?
What an astonishingly beautiful genus of snail! I've never heard of them before. I wonder how many species have been made extinct without being known. So many, I'm sure.
That also happened with a coal mining company and a carnivorous snail that lived on one peak in New Zealand. They chopped off the whole top of the mountain for coal that wasn’t even profitable and destroyed all its natural habitat. Now it just lives in fridges in captivity, though like half of them died when one of the fridges broke. A pretty tragic story.
Tony, thanks so much for another great visit. ……And……. the therapy session is the shining co-star here!!! I know, I feel a lot less homocidal after the visit.
Holy shit, a nature doc by him would be so awesome. His presentation would probably get more people interested in this stuff (or at least be less obnoxiously boring and sterile like most nature docs are unfortunately)
Worked all day with Al and then came home to this gem. Thanks for putting these out there. I've learned a lot about plants and rocks and shit and you sound like my dad so I count it as family time.
36:46 beautiful example of how localized deformation can be according to the competence of the lithology. The chert directly adjacent to those thinly laminated mudstones are much less deformed and the nearby granites would be even less so. This is despite the fact that the region as a whole experience similar stresses Edit: I guess it would be more accurate to call them laminated micritic limestones due to the carbonate content (or marlstones if the clay fraction is high enough)
My favorite misanthropic botanist. These videos have given me a new appreciation for the natural beauty that surrounds us. Especially the under appreciated plants that comprise such a large part of the landscape yet somehow go completely unnoticed by the masses of bipedal mouthbreathers that trample them underfoot while engaged in their weekend warrior outdoor activities.
I love these videos (in Nevada especially) because they demonstrate the absolutely crazy diversity found in the Mojave and adjacent areas! While these deserts may initially look barren or just scrubby and boring, they have some of the highest plant diversity in the world (iirc)!
Thank you so much for this video. I was hoping you might discuss this topic and you did! Also, you live such a fun, purposeful life. A salute you. Also I’ve always loved your channel, and I’m a teacher, and if I made my own TH-cam channel, I wish I could call it, “Crime Pays but Being A Teacher Doesn’t.”
I've been following the buckwheat v. ithium standoff and to be honest, I'm kind of on the fence, because I sure do like me my rechargeable devices! But you did such a great job presenting and defending this little plant's right to life...and I love you for getting so passionate about a landscape other people might just write off as a wasteland. Thank you!
I hope I'm not too late, but If like to suggest that these plants are important because they might have something to teach us about management of lithium: ways to recycle it and neutralize is toxicity when discarded. Maybe they will become popular houseplants.
🥰😘😍Thank you for this channel. I’ve always loved the desert, but now I’m really looking at plants and identifying them when I’m out and about. It’s very humbling and a great reminder of how insignificant our first world drama really is.
While the best solution is obviously to preserve the ecological site, I always wonder in your videos whether the proper soil and greenhouse growing conditions of the geologically dependent plants you show us would allow them to live off-site. Is it just about soil or is there more at play? When appropriate, I would love to hear what you know about such strategies relative to the threatened plant being shown, especially since the idea is sure to be the first comment out of the flabby-jowled board members eyeing the deli carte as visions of lithium dollars dance in their heads.
I wish I was as intelligent as you are my man. I wasn’t even that interested in plants until I run a crossed your channel, now I’m planting seed and learning to keep plants alive.
I'm so glad you've done a video on this. Last year finally got to camp in a camping spot in coyote pass I'd found in 2017, and I got home only to find that they wanted to built an open-pit mine right fucking there AND it was gonna render a rare flower extinct. fucking infuriating!
Love that you share the history of botanists as well as the field knowledge. So many in fields of science don't know the shoulders they stand on. Really wish desalination plants would be built and use evaporation fields to collect boron and lithium from what is left after waste water evaporates. Would solve a lot of our problems (freshwater, "rare" earth, and wouldn't increase salination with returned waste water). Keep up the great work. +1 on the value systems.
Learned recently that they apparently also use some lithium-bearing ore minerals in makeup products. They're among the stuff used to replace talc now because of that whole Johnson & Johnson "asbestos-contaminated talc products" shit that happened. Idk if that's a better or worse use of lithium ores than battery tech haha. This was cool stuff btw. Learning a lot, ofc, as per usual!
Very educational! I hope they denied the mine… this is a special little flower… great close-ups! We have buckwheats in E Wa, near Yakima in the shrub steppe. Thanks for the video!!
On the bright side for that tough little buckwheat, it's going to be one of the top candidates for the reclamation spp list and probably will be the propaganda child for the company through a fully funded 'recovery' program that could end up being run by someone who genuinely cares that exponentially increases its population. Yeah, the boardroom sandwiches can be pretty good.
Yeah, the bright side is the amount of research that is being infused into this species to figure out how it works. At the end of the day the mine will likely move forward but there won't be many (if any) corners cut. I'm excited to see how it all pans out
I value your opinion and you really speak the truth. How would we ever know what was going on out there? You never read about this anywhere I can think of! Thanks!
You're an outstanding human being. I appreciate you showing me rare fauna in all it's glory while you had the opportunity. Before our country's broken value system takes the opportunity away.
Thanks man for turning me on to plant identification. I always looked for them, just never cared to know the names. I’ve been finding some blooming cacti out here in north eastern New Mexico, nothing like a blooming cacti
Trying to find native Nevada species to plant in my 17.50 acre HOA community. Original landscape planted ‘shit’ that mostly died. Trying to replant ‘water-wise’ desert threatened & unusual plants. Doing somewhat not-so-unauthorized plantings. Digging holes with 5 pound hammer & spade chisel. Great way to learn botany & geology. If I would have had a enthusiastic professor like you I would have stayed in college.
Such a sweet tough plant I could cry. I lived across a mile wide dry creek bed from some selenium mud hills. No plants, just big brown selenium wands scattered all over. Maybe something was growing but I never saw it because it looked like a rock.
32:50 it's so cool to see something similar to what's in my neck of the woods in Appalachia. I recently discovered phlox divaricata on the hillside near my home.
Great video. Catching you enthusiasm for the adaptive plants. Do not understand why it is one or other but not both. The mine co could hire Tony as a consultant to protect the plant by the mine. Then show how good stewards the are. Both...
Exploring the wild lands of Northern Nevada was always exciting when I lived there - 20 plus years. Desert or grasslands have breath-taking beauty whether you like to get close up and photograph the flora or keep a respectable distance and watch the fauna. And like 98% of the time you have that lung-expanding clean air, sunshine and cobalt sky. (Deep breath of sage!!) I came from California and so I always thought that the plants were environmentally stunted versions of the wildflowers I knew in California. I really appreciate your mind-blowing natural history talks. BTW - as we live in a world of spectrum and bell-curved humans, it will take quite some time (likely decades) for all humans to elevate to your knowledge level. Thanks and GFY.
I'm curious what might happen if you take this species and grow it on a different medium? or have enough of the medium transplanted somewhere nearby to save the population if only these conditions will do (for instance I know one big box company that moved an entire cypress swamp as a condition to build their store) created a large steel saucer and a short railway line, cranes, etc not cheap but how bad do they want this mine?
Omg you make me laugh SO much! I just love your no nonsense approach. Please keep speaking the truth without your filter. The world needs this right now! Thank you for your wisdom!
That detail about the flowers retreating back in order to self-pollinate reminds me of the immortal jellyfish that reverts back to an earlier stage of development if threatened, thus ensuring its regeneration. So fascinating.
This entire video and your commentary in it makes me think of the unofficial epoch of geologic time, "Anthropocene". Supposedly beginning at around 1950 when humanity and its society started to really *boom*, in terms of affecting the planet's climate and ecosystem. It's interesting to think about, and depressing. "Here we are in the middle of our existential reckoning" - (lyrics from the band Puscifer, pretty good stuff.)
I always learn so much from you! MMA fighters finding rare buckwheat.... Fantastic! Thanks for bringing awareness to this species. So much learned n I'm only ten mins in 😂.
Would be if it wasn't bullshit but I just made it up because it makes the story more interesting. Arnold Tiehm really is a well-known botanist but never - I am sad to report - had a career in fighting.
@@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt damn, you got me. Might explain why you didn't complain about the plants' name I thought it was really cool that those things were so different, but also thought that many people have incredibly different interests.
I met Arnold Jerry Tiehm back in the late 80's at a Fugazi concert at the Gilman. He was the doorman at the time and let me in without a concert ticket when I handed him a five spot.
I ate acid with Jerry Tiehm outside of a megachurch in the suburbs of Phoenix in the early 00s. We thought it'd be funny to go inside while "tripping balls" during their Friday service because that's when they have the band play and everybody holds their hands up with their eyes closed while screaming "our god is a sexy god" but we ended up getting locked inside after closing, setting off the burglar alarms at 3 in the morning while we were fucking around chasing each other with fire extinguishers and laughing our asses off. I don't know how we didn't get arrested that night.
I started a death metal band with arnold robertus jerry tiehm. It started out great and we were getting more and more well known. But he started getting absolutely wasted on cheap whiskey every time we'd play a show. He'd vomit all over the stage and said that's what made his vocals so good. We disbanded after a while because nobody would book us anymore. He changed his name, and now he has a late night talk show called Jimmy Kimmel. Edit: he and I shared my wife at our wedding night. 9 months later, she gave birth to a beautiful baby boy, we are both blond and the boy has dark hair. But I raised him as my own
It’s worth noting that lithium isn’t just for fancy gadgets; it’s a crucial tool if we want to stop burning stuff to cause climate change in any sort of timeframe that will preclude mass ecological destruction across the planet. It’s a nuanced thing
Could all of the overburden be moved to a different part of the area to recreate the habitat? @38:50, you don't even give us a peek into the mine portal? I'm feeling cheated.
I don't mean to be a disrespectful monkey as well, but i was more interested in preserving and studying it more since that is amazing for it to grow in such a harsh environment.
I'd love it if you would do a piece in South Dakota about a.k.a Paha Sapa, a.k.a Black Hills. There's megatons of geology and centuries of medicine in ecosystems that are now my new favorite thing in life, the botany of The Hills, ... But this chunk of planet, it's FOR SALE. I ask you for this because I think you might want to document what's left before it's all developed and paved, and national forest service makes safe for human occupation. Black Hills is the center of the universe for some folk, and Mecca for Mt. Rushmore fans, which was named after a lawyer.
It seems like these plants might be natural concentrators of these 'precious' elements, how many wars could we not fight in order to afford to research deeper into phytomining with these kinds of extremophiles (as opposed to blowing up the area and making a mechanical mine)?
I was driving down the La Porte road yesterday above Strawberry valley and I saw this huge tree growing alongside the road. A beautiful red hue to the bark. I remember my genius brother(and I don't use that word lightly) telling me that those were the trees growing on top of Humbug summit in Butte county. I think it was a Abies magnifica. Red Fir. Do they still grow in the Sierra's in large numbers? I'll have to take a photo of it and its needles. Do you have an opinion of Black Locust? Considered a pest tree outside the native range. I have some on my property in Challenge, California and use it for firewood. I'm guessing that the largest Western Yellow Pine known, that was near the little north fork of the middle fork, Feather river, in what is known as Deer Park might have been lost to the fire last summer. Hopefully the great height and lack of branches on the lower trunk saved it. Sorry for the questions running all over the place. I'm a Berkeley native(my excuse for being looney) and my mother and grandmother were members of the "Earth worms"
*The Silver Peak Range*
1:44 "Tiehm's buckwheat" _Eriogonum tiehmii, Polygonaceae_
2:07 lithium and boron rich sedimentary deposits
2:42 lacustrine environments
3:17 "Tiehm's buckwheat" flower
3:53 searlesite, borosilicates
5:12 edaphic specialist
5:47 collapsed mine
5:59 arthropod fossil?
6:10 holotype location
6:26 Dr. James Reveal (1941-2015)
*1 mile south*
6:49 horned miner _Scombridae_ sp. can
6:57 "Barneby's beardtongue" _Penstemon barnabyi, Plantaginaceae_
7:06 staminode
7:28 alluvial deposits
7:40 Louie
7:45 "pinyon pine" _Pinus monophylla, Pinaceae_
7:47 "juniper" _Juniperus_ sp., _Cupressaceae_
7:48 "prince's plume" _Stanleya pinnata, Brassicaceae_
8:45 _Enceliopsis nudicaulis, Asteraceae_
9:27 "paintbrush" _Castilleja chromosa, Orobanchaceae_
9:49 "Kearney's buckwheat" _Eriogonum nummulare, Polygonaceae_
9:58 caespitose, prostrate
10:54 "prince's plume"
11:53 "Tiehm's buckwheat"
12:09 extirpation
13:17 involucre
14:25 edaphic specialist evolution
14:48 allele
16:40 pedicel
17:09 tepals
18:45 eriogonum self-pollination
21:54 Jack and Louie
22:52 "sagebrush" _Artemisia tridentata, Asteraceae_
23"05 Jack
23:06 "Newberry's milkvetch" _Astragalus newberryi, Fabaceae_
23:35 "Barneby's beardtongue"
25:23 "spiny menodora" _Mendora spinescens, Oleaceae_
26:13 "Tiehm's buckwheat"
26:14 "Buckwheat in the Boardroom", original piece by CPBBD
27:14 "ground nama" _Nama aretioides, Boraginaceae_
29:17 "paintbrush"
30:15 bedded chert
30:35 "Tiehm's buckwheat"
31:43 Jack
31:49 "winterfat" _Krascheninnikovia lanata, Amaranthaceae_
32:11 "Kearney's buckwheat"
32:21 "pink phlox" _Phlox stansburyi, Polemoniaceae_
32:39 salverform corolla
33:23 "Fendler's sandmat" _Euphorbia fendleri, Euphorbiaceae_
33:48 "cushion buckwheat" _Eriogonum ovalifolium, Polygonaceae_
34:13 "blazing star" _Mentzelia_ sp., _Loasaceae_
34:47 "desert milk weed" _Asclepias erosa, Apocynaceae_
35:09 "cat's eye" _Cryptantha_ sp., _Boraginaceae_
35:18 "Frémont's phacelia" _Phacelia fremontii, Boraginaceae_
*Subpopulation #3*
35:52 lacustrine sedimentary bedding
37:41 "Tiehm's buckwheat"
38:03 former mine
39:23 "shadscale" _Atriplex confertifolia, Amaranthaceae_
39:36 paleozoic limestone
43:23 plant ID tag
45:25 mining ditches
46:39 horned miner hole
48:00 stipitate glands
48:21 Al Scorch voicemail (link Al Scorch - Working Dream: th-cam.com/video/dNUgqDAHfxI/w-d-xo.html )
lmao what's the point in time stamps for a video like this?
@@nicktheworld5356 If you're searching for meaning in your own life you're gonna have to bang your own two brain cells together to figure that one out. If you're looking for the rest of the world to have meaning based off of your needs you're gonna have a life filled with questions just like this.
@@NosebleedPolitics 😂😂😂 lmao whaaaat?! Bro why the fuck would anyone need to know when you can find "mining ditches" in this video.
👀👀 BRUH WHERES THE MINING DITCHES AT👀👀
@Umesh It's helpful to track geological features because they often define botanical niches. Many plants will follow human disturbance alone and tracking that can be helpful for understanding the local ecology. Our actions are making a huge impact on the landscape and as important as it is to understand limestone bedding as substrate, it's also becoming important to understand human development land as a substrate. A mining ditch is an area where material from a mine has been extracted and transported across a leveled track over a period of time. In order to arrive at a place and understand that you have to be able to recognize its history. This process is something novel to the Anthropocene and can be understood in the same way we understand any other geological process. Documenting these areas comprehensively and truly understanding their dynamics is tedious work that most of the world simply isn't capable of doing. It isn't the process of defining value and then looking for it in the natural world, it is seeing the natural world as it presents itself and observing what patterns emerge. I have my own reasons for doing this work, and I make it public because I've gotten feedback that they're useful for a variety of reasons. Studying, revisiting what they're interested in, and just finding the dogs. For the lesser known plants you can search their name on TH-cam and CPBBD videos will come up, I suspect from the auto-transcript that is generated by TH-cam being connected to the search function. From that point, one may use my comment to find the exact plant they were looking for. I see these comments as complementary indexes for lasting documentation of fading landscapes. There is some irony in that you are inquisitive and asking good questions. If only you were earnest in seeking answers. Hopefully this comment is for you, but I can hedge my efforts on the knowledge that passers-by will also see this.
Now let's rewatch 43:37-44:15 for the effect of that mining ditch.
Thank you very much! 🙏🏼😊💜
when i feel bad about myself i pretend im a plant being described by this guy
does he say you are a" bi-pedal ape who doesn't value anything that doesn't directly benefit it"? lol 3:14
Parasocial relationships are getting weird, but comforting.
Healthy coping amiright?
“look at that beautiful bastard… hairy too!”
something about ovaries
From MMA to chert to deli trays to Al, this one has it all
I just can't imagine living life before youtube, this channel is a philosophy, knowledge and entertainment goldmine. 3 in 1!
My fear is that many will not watch the last 60 seconds of the video for The encore
@@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt It was worth it.
@@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt I haven't seen it yet, but tbfh I always stay for the money shot
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Your perspective about how humans live make me feel less crazy. Its good mental health care. Thank you. Our values are way off.
it's values, sure, but it's mostly the exploitative systems that are based off of and reinforce these values which are at fault. We need to fight these systems rather than think of all humanity as bad. We can do better.
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@@categorille8330 I absolutely don't think that humanity is bad. I think it is very complex but in my opinion the economic system is set up to reward those that are willing to play along. Since most people are good at falling in line and doing what others are doing, we just reinforce that it is for our kids and keep pushing the lie to each other. It is clear not only can we do better but we could exploit that same thing in humans to be fit in. In a real commnunity it doesn't make sense to complete. Your kids will do better if you cooperate with others. I know some people with think this is polyanna-ish or whatever. Cynical thinking is so pervasive like our fearless plant expert said in this video. I know humans want to do better but there isn't much space to do that right now. It is accepted to be brutal while at work as long as you contribute to charity or signal to others that you care while outside of the business world. How confusing!? No wonder people go nuts. It is such a fake way to live and deep down we know something isn't right. Just pondering here...what do other people think?
Yes. Shouldn't even be called "values" anymore.
@@foolishandthewise nicely put
I come home from a walk in the desert and get to sit down and watch another man take a walk in the desert.
that's DEEP, man.
So... what are you coming home from before sitting down with Pornhub? 🤔
@@8ftbed 💀💀💀
@@8ftbed the dentist's office
Just regular desert things 🌵
Grinding up 500 year old Joshua trees broke my heart. There's a price to pay for the way we live
shouldn't having a locally unique species automatically protect an area from all development? You'd think that would be a great policy to have
that fucking voicemail at the end just made my week 😂
These videos give me life. I’m glad someone can be out there to sing to these plants, and show them off a bit
I definitely agree with the idea: Our technology has outpaced our psychology.
I understand and agree with your general point. To add to it, it is our temporary stage of development. Meaning, our social development (psychology) WILL at some point in future development become the primary force for global human societal development. The stage we are at now, yes the political economic development is primary still and will be for some time. I am guessing in the next 200-300 years humanity will achieve such fully integrated global political economic development (capitalism), that we will move to a new stage in which our social development (our minds/consciousness) will for the first time take control [some form of real socialism (i.e. planned political economy)].
we should've learned our lesson with social media - but we didn't.
200 years is nothing. that is wishful thinking. We can hope sometimes in the next 200 thousand years to finally realize
I'd say it the other way around. It's our physiology which needs to change for our technology to improve in the right ways and at the right pace. But generally yeah, it's tech which is ahead of our thinking...
Thank you for profiling this plant with such love, and sharing why it is special. So much of the news coverage has just described it as a little scrubby unremarkable plant, not showing it in flower or discussing its unique ecology.
It is so bloody short sighted. I mean beyond preserving biodiversity there is also the potential for such plants in things like bioremediation.
Seems a common theme with hominids lately 😔
They should bank a whole bunch of seed and plant the whole area when the mining is done, and the ground is nothing but lithium boron wasteland.
@@katiekane5247 one of the reasons there are so many regulations in place in some places. One thing the EU is good for at least if the actual member states actually enforce them that is. It reminds me of the fishing quotas definitely nowhere near a perfect system but without them a lot of fish would nearly go extinct
@@evilsharkey8954 There aren't "a whole bunch of seeds". Additionally, the fine characteristics of every local microenvironment , including unique soil characteristics at each locus, are not reproducible through human manipulation. Ever try to dig up a wild plant and grow it in your garden? In desert environments, governing environmental conditions that permit one plant to germinate, grow, establish, and reproduce at one micro-locus are so fine-tuned as to be beyond human comprehension, let alone replication.
Fuggetaboutit.
Tipi Dan, I’m not the type of person who poaches wild plants for my garden. It’s hard enough to get garden plants to be happy since so many places sell stuff that doesn’t thrive in the local area, even for one season.
I’m hoping they go mine somewhere else, but we all know how much influence the almighty dollar has in such matters. In the likely event that they tear up some of the natural environment, they should be required to harvest seed from the populations they’ll destroy and add it to the remaining populations to keep them diverse.
I worked as a Rangeland technician for BLM in central NV, and your plant knowledge beats pretty much anyone I have met and worked with ... we could've used you in our surveys! My favorite plant that I came across out there is the Matted Buckwheat (Eriogonum caespitosum) very similar.
We love to name anyone that does their job, a hero. You are one of the true heroes.
Home means Nevada
Home means the hills
Home means the sage and the pine.
Out where the Truckee silvery rills
Out where the sun always shines.
There is the land that I love the best
Fairer than all I can see.
Out in the heart of the golden west
Home means Nevada to me.
Thanks for the panoramics and appreciating those desert plants! Now I’m missing Nevada!
I enjoy ALL of your videos, but this one made me laugh AND cry the most. As a healthcare worker trying my best every day to provide medical care to patients IN SPITE of what the people in the ivory tower want, I come home every night seething with anger at the system. Your comments about the CEOs of these faceless conglomerates took my mind off my troubles for just a bit. Thanks!
Another awesome video!! Please make more re-greenification planting guides applicable to different environments/soil types + tips and tricks to ensure the survival of newly planted plants
You forgot to mention that these paleo-lakes are caldera basins. The associated volcanic activity causes the Li enrichment.
Miocene volcanics, yes. But why all the lithium in volcanics. Same situation in Chile I suppose, leeched out of the andesite. In the case of the Great basin the comparatively thin crust causes geothermal activity which is why most of the lithium comes to the surface, with hot water
*thin crust due to extensional tectonics
The volcanic enrichment comes from small degree fractional melting. Li is a very incompatible element in most rock forming minerals and therefore goes into the melt whenever the rock barely gets hot enough. Typically more associated with rhyolitic magmatism.
This paper gives a good overview of the enrichment processes of Li in these environments:
Https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-00234-y
@@williamjarvis7949 ok, stop. It's makin me too hot. I got to go put a bucket of ice on my crotch now
I always appreciate the money shots. Fascinating geology out there as well, I don’t want to see it all destroyed for “progress”, or any other reason. I say leave it be, they can dig elsewhere.
The world has many other beauties . This progress will help us all in the long run
Patrick Donnelly and Naomi Fraga are great follows on Twitter. Super cool to see you work with them and on this particular story!
Thanks!
kinda reminds me of the story of Plectostoma sciaphilum; it was a snail that lived on one limestone hill that a cement company mined out, and erased the entire species, But hey who needs a unique species endemic to a tiny area when you could get an extra 20 bucks for cigars right?
What an astonishingly beautiful genus of snail! I've never heard of them before. I wonder how many species have been made extinct without being known. So many, I'm sure.
That also happened with a coal mining company and a carnivorous snail that lived on one peak in New Zealand. They chopped off the whole top of the mountain for coal that wasn’t even profitable and destroyed all its natural habitat. Now it just lives in fridges in captivity, though like half of them died when one of the fridges broke. A pretty tragic story.
Loving your work. Your monotribe about surviving in harsh environments is about tolerance. Thank you for sharing your consciousness.
Tony, thanks so much for another great visit. ……And……. the therapy session is the shining co-star here!!! I know, I feel a lot less homocidal after the visit.
what a sweet plant! the fuzz on the stem is especially endearing.
As a producer, I would absolutely offer you a nature documentary gig lol
I like this idea!
Holy shit, a nature doc by him would be so awesome. His presentation would probably get more people interested in this stuff (or at least be less obnoxiously boring and sterile like most nature docs are unfortunately)
I’d definitely watch that
Please have it made in a civilized part of the world where they don't censor FUCK
Worked all day with Al and then came home to this gem. Thanks for putting these out there. I've learned a lot about plants and rocks and shit and you sound like my dad so I count it as family time.
36:46 beautiful example of how localized deformation can be according to the competence of the lithology. The chert directly adjacent to those thinly laminated mudstones are much less deformed and the nearby granites would be even less so. This is despite the fact that the region as a whole experience similar stresses
Edit: I guess it would be more accurate to call them laminated micritic limestones due to the carbonate content (or marlstones if the clay fraction is high enough)
I can't say enough for the knowledge you convey on this channel. Immersive! We cannot keep pushing for "advancement" before we have wisdom!!
My favorite misanthropic botanist. These videos have given me a new appreciation for the natural beauty that surrounds us. Especially the under appreciated plants that comprise such a large part of the landscape yet somehow go completely unnoticed by the masses of bipedal mouthbreathers that trample them underfoot while engaged in their weekend warrior outdoor activities.
I don't know if it'll help at all but I sent an advocation for preservation of these unique plants.
I love these videos (in Nevada especially) because they demonstrate the absolutely crazy diversity found in the Mojave and adjacent areas! While these deserts may initially look barren or just scrubby and boring, they have some of the highest plant diversity in the world (iirc)!
Your voice , & content as a whole .. .helps with my anxiety . Very well .
Thank you so much for this video. I was hoping you might discuss this topic and you did! Also, you live such a fun, purposeful life. A salute you. Also I’ve always loved your channel, and I’m a teacher, and if I made my own TH-cam channel, I wish I could call it, “Crime Pays but Being A Teacher Doesn’t.”
I've been following the buckwheat v. ithium standoff and to be honest, I'm kind of on the fence, because I sure do like me my rechargeable devices! But you did such a great job presenting and defending this little plant's right to life...and I love you for getting so passionate about a landscape other people might just write off as a wasteland. Thank you!
Signed and donated to help protect this ecosystem and Eriogonum.
You said that amaranth name so fast that I thought you were joking! I was shocked when I read that was really the name, lol. Thanks for all you do!
I hope I'm not too late, but If like to suggest that these plants are important because they might have something to teach us about management of lithium: ways to recycle it and neutralize is toxicity when discarded. Maybe they will become popular houseplants.
Jeez, stupidly beautiful video my brother. Keep up the amazing work! No seriously, don't ever stop!
🥰😘😍Thank you for this channel. I’ve always loved the desert, but now I’m really looking at plants and identifying them when I’m out and about. It’s very humbling and a great reminder of how insignificant our first world drama really is.
Your knowledge of botany is impressive! Not to mention the geology knowledge you mix in. I thank you for what you do. I will keep watching.
I'm not tired of seeing any of it, it's all awesome really. I'm glad I'm not the only one who still gets the Cheers theme song popping in their head.
While the best solution is obviously to preserve the ecological site, I always wonder in your videos whether the proper soil and greenhouse growing conditions of the geologically dependent plants you show us would allow them to live off-site. Is it just about soil or is there more at play? When appropriate, I would love to hear what you know about such strategies relative to the threatened plant being shown, especially since the idea is sure to be the first comment out of the flabby-jowled board members eyeing the deli carte as visions of lithium dollars dance in their heads.
I definitely agree - just because they're going to dig underground doesn't mean that the plant species would go extinct!
He says numerous times there are other places to mine lithium
greenhouses cause condensation
@@extropiantranshuman what part of “open pit mine” escaped you?
@@saoirsecameron the part where they can fill it back when they're done
Nice man, you gotta save the edaphic specialist! Pretty cool to see stuff thrive where it shouldn't.
Activist investors have just taken seats on the Exxon board, that is a good way to make a difference and be heard.
I wish I was as intelligent as you are my man. I wasn’t even that interested in plants until I run a crossed your channel, now I’m planting seed and learning to keep plants alive.
Your a living legend Tony!!
I'm so glad you've done a video on this. Last year finally got to camp in a camping spot in coyote pass I'd found in 2017, and I got home only to find that they wanted to built an open-pit mine right fucking there AND it was gonna render a rare flower extinct. fucking infuriating!
Love that you share the history of botanists as well as the field knowledge. So many in fields of science don't know the shoulders they stand on. Really wish desalination plants would be built and use evaporation fields to collect boron and lithium from what is left after waste water evaporates. Would solve a lot of our problems (freshwater, "rare" earth, and wouldn't increase salination with returned waste water).
Keep up the great work. +1 on the value systems.
Learned recently that they apparently also use some lithium-bearing ore minerals in makeup products. They're among the stuff used to replace talc now because of that whole Johnson & Johnson "asbestos-contaminated talc products" shit that happened. Idk if that's a better or worse use of lithium ores than battery tech haha.
This was cool stuff btw. Learning a lot, ofc, as per usual!
The scenery in this video is incredible. I really enjoyed the commentary, too! Thanks for all your hard work!
Very educational! I hope they denied the mine… this is a special little flower… great close-ups! We have buckwheats in E Wa, near Yakima in the shrub steppe. Thanks for the video!!
Denied, yes. Plant is now listed as endangered.
@@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt Excellent!! Thanks.
On the bright side for that tough little buckwheat, it's going to be one of the top candidates for the reclamation spp list and probably will be the propaganda child for the company through a fully funded 'recovery' program that could end up being run by someone who genuinely cares that exponentially increases its population. Yeah, the boardroom sandwiches can be pretty good.
Yeah, the bright side is the amount of research that is being infused into this species to figure out how it works. At the end of the day the mine will likely move forward but there won't be many (if any) corners cut. I'm excited to see how it all pans out
I value your opinion and you really speak the truth. How would we ever know what was going on out there? You never read about this anywhere I can think of! Thanks!
Studying plants that have the ability to thrive in harsh climates seems like a good idea.
We apes could learn a lot from these lil guys.
What a gem enjoy these tours of interesting habitat.
Thank-you for recording these beautiful specimens before they get wiped off the face of the map. Humans......sigh ☹️
As a Scandinavian, I wish I could visit a warm desert environment like this one day in my life... seems so nice.
Australian native plant breeder recently breeding ariocarpus. I love your shows mate. Wow bro u are great at what u do. Thankyou for your information.
Thank you for laying it all out there big guy.
You're an outstanding human being. I appreciate you showing me rare fauna in all it's glory while you had the opportunity. Before our country's broken value system takes the opportunity away.
Thanks man for turning me on to plant identification. I always looked for them, just never cared to know the names. I’ve been finding some blooming cacti out here in north eastern New Mexico, nothing like a blooming cacti
i almost threw up laughing at the voice mail and woke up my kids laughing and got yelled at by there mother...... give this guy a proper show!!!!!!
@Tony I'm sure those plants loved your Cheers rendition sung to them!
Trying to find native Nevada species to plant in my 17.50 acre HOA community. Original landscape planted ‘shit’ that mostly died. Trying to replant ‘water-wise’ desert threatened & unusual plants. Doing somewhat not-so-unauthorized plantings. Digging holes with 5 pound hammer & spade chisel. Great way to learn botany & geology. If I would have had a enthusiastic professor like you I would have stayed in college.
Good luck recreating the soil content 👌
Seriously. Good luck.
Such a sweet tough plant I could cry. I lived across a mile wide dry creek bed from some selenium mud hills. No plants, just big brown selenium wands scattered all over. Maybe something was growing but I never saw it because it looked like a rock.
32:50 it's so cool to see something similar to what's in my neck of the woods in Appalachia. I recently discovered phlox divaricata on the hillside near my home.
Thank you for all the money shots. Never tired of the moist fuzzy staminodes ✌️
Makes ya want to dry one out and smoke it
This is one of my favorite videos of yours! 🌞
Great video. Catching you enthusiasm for the adaptive plants. Do not understand why it is one or other but not both. The mine co could hire Tony as a consultant to protect the plant by the mine. Then show how good stewards the are. Both...
Always great to hear a naturalist? Ive been west of there visiting the bristlecone pines. Facinating area. Keep up the show .
Never disappoints. One of the best channel on TH-cam
Exploring the wild lands of Northern Nevada was always exciting when I lived there - 20 plus years. Desert or grasslands have breath-taking beauty whether you like to get close up and photograph the flora or keep a respectable distance and watch the fauna. And like 98% of the time you have that lung-expanding clean air, sunshine and cobalt sky. (Deep breath of sage!!) I came from California and so I always thought that the plants were environmentally stunted versions of the wildflowers I knew in California. I really appreciate your mind-blowing natural history talks. BTW - as we live in a world of spectrum and bell-curved humans, it will take quite some time (likely decades) for all humans to elevate to your knowledge level. Thanks and GFY.
Good to see you safe/uploading after what happened yesterday in San Jose.
I'm curious what might happen if you take this species and grow it on a different medium?
or have enough of the medium transplanted somewhere nearby to save the population if only these conditions will do
(for instance I know one big box company that moved an entire cypress swamp as a condition to build their store)
created a large steel saucer and a short railway line, cranes, etc not cheap but how bad do they want this mine?
The Cheers theme cover caught me off guard, bravo!
I've been holding this in for too long, botany may not pay but horticulture does.
Fungus podcast a few weeks ago was really awesome and ahead of others who covered Massaspora.
I love every bit of knowledge you have. What would you do without plants to enjoy.. I hope we never find out.
End up in jail.
I was this this many days old before I had even thought of someone exposing themselves to a game camera. thanks!
So two years on has that company got the permit and built the mine?
Bro I love your shit...I have learned more from your channel about ANYTHING that I learned in school. Keep it up buddy!
great segment, no filter is the best✌️✅😎👍
Omg you make me laugh SO much! I just love your no nonsense approach. Please keep speaking the truth without your filter. The world needs this right now! Thank you for your wisdom!
You’re videos always make me feel better
That detail about the flowers retreating back in order to self-pollinate reminds me of the immortal jellyfish that reverts back to an earlier stage of development if threatened, thus ensuring its regeneration. So fascinating.
This entire video and your commentary in it makes me think of the unofficial epoch of geologic time, "Anthropocene". Supposedly beginning at around 1950 when humanity and its society started to really *boom*, in terms of affecting the planet's climate and ecosystem. It's interesting to think about, and depressing. "Here we are in the middle of our existential reckoning" - (lyrics from the band Puscifer, pretty good stuff.)
“Home means Nevada to me” is the state song and the tule duck decoy is the state artifact.
a lot of closeup money shots almost dazzeling informative laconic narrative field botany at its best thanks Tony
I always learn so much from you! MMA fighters finding rare buckwheat.... Fantastic! Thanks for bringing awareness to this species. So much learned n I'm only ten mins in 😂.
Same
Sometimes fact are funner than fiction hehe
Hey Tony, you fluent Italiano?
Interesting journey from mma to botanist
Would be if it wasn't bullshit but I just made it up because it makes the story more interesting. Arnold Tiehm really is a well-known botanist but never - I am sad to report - had a career in fighting.
@@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt damn, you got me.
Might explain why you didn't complain about the plants' name
I thought it was really cool that those things were so different, but also thought that many people have incredibly different interests.
I met Arnold Jerry Tiehm back in the late 80's at a Fugazi concert at the Gilman. He was the doorman at the time and let me in without a concert ticket when I handed him a five spot.
I ate acid with Jerry Tiehm outside of a megachurch in the suburbs of Phoenix in the early 00s. We thought it'd be funny to go inside while "tripping balls" during their Friday service because that's when they have the band play and everybody holds their hands up with their eyes closed while screaming "our god is a sexy god" but we ended up getting locked inside after closing, setting off the burglar alarms at 3 in the morning while we were fucking around chasing each other with fire extinguishers and laughing our asses off. I don't know how we didn't get arrested that night.
I started a death metal band with arnold robertus jerry tiehm. It started out great and we were getting more and more well known. But he started getting absolutely wasted on cheap whiskey every time we'd play a show. He'd vomit all over the stage and said that's what made his vocals so good.
We disbanded after a while because nobody would book us anymore. He changed his name, and now he has a late night talk show called Jimmy Kimmel.
Edit: he and I shared my wife at our wedding night. 9 months later, she gave birth to a beautiful baby boy, we are both blond and the boy has dark hair. But I raised him as my own
In a middle school science class, we started calling each other boron in place of moron. It kind of stuck and I still think it's funny.
It’s worth noting that lithium isn’t just for fancy gadgets; it’s a crucial tool if we want to stop burning stuff to cause climate change in any sort of timeframe that will preclude mass ecological destruction across the planet. It’s a nuanced thing
You definitely should do documentaries! Wait a minute, you already do! You rock
always a treat to hear some Al Scorch
Could all of the overburden be moved to a different part of the area to recreate the habitat?
@38:50, you don't even give us a peek into the mine portal? I'm feeling cheated.
1. Not usually, no. The disturbance usually messes the substrate composition up.
2. They all look the same. You ain't missing anything.
Are any seeds or cuttings being collected for propagation to help save the species?
I like that you highlight the trade offs of modern life.
would there be any chance to take some of those seeds and soil to a nursery or research center to in a way preserve the plant or at least the seeds?
I don't mean to be a disrespectful monkey as well, but i was more interested in preserving and studying it more since that is amazing for it to grow in such a harsh environment.
I'd love it if you would do a piece in South Dakota about a.k.a Paha Sapa, a.k.a Black Hills.
There's megatons of geology and centuries of medicine in ecosystems that are now my new favorite thing in life, the botany of The Hills, ... But this chunk of planet, it's FOR SALE.
I ask you for this because I think you might want to document what's left before it's all developed and paved, and national forest service makes safe for human occupation. Black Hills is the center of the universe for some folk, and Mecca for Mt. Rushmore fans, which was named after a lawyer.
It seems like these plants might be natural concentrators of these 'precious' elements, how many wars could we not fight in order to afford to research deeper into phytomining with these kinds of extremophiles (as opposed to blowing up the area and making a mechanical mine)?
I was driving down the La Porte road yesterday above Strawberry valley and I saw this huge tree growing alongside the road. A beautiful red hue to the bark. I remember my genius brother(and I don't use that word lightly) telling me that those were the trees growing on top of Humbug summit in Butte county. I think it was a Abies magnifica. Red Fir. Do they still grow in the Sierra's in large numbers? I'll have to take a photo of it and its needles.
Do you have an opinion of Black Locust? Considered a pest tree outside the native range. I have some on my property in Challenge, California and use it for firewood.
I'm guessing that the largest Western Yellow Pine known, that was near the little north fork of the middle fork, Feather river, in what is known as Deer Park might have been lost to the fire last summer. Hopefully the great height and lack of branches on the lower trunk saved it.
Sorry for the questions running all over the place. I'm a Berkeley native(my excuse for being looney) and my mother and grandmother were members of the "Earth worms"