The Movie That Made MGS Possible
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BACK FROM THE DEAD, BOSS!
Kept you waiting, huh? Let's discuss the central inspiration behind Hideo Kojima's 'Metal Gear', John Carpenter's Escape From New York.
This video essay is the sequel to MOVIE GEAR SOLID: The Great Escape. Fittingly, Donald Pleasance is in both!
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"It is 1997 and a nearly destroyed New York City has become a walled prison for over 3 million convicted criminals who have lost, but survived, a brutal war against the United States Police Force. In this maximum security prison-city, escape has been made impossible - every bridge is mined and walled, the surrounding waters are filled with deadly electricity and the Statue of Liberty has become just another guard tower from which officers in infra-red goggles blast, on sight, any prisoners desperate enough to try to get out. Radar scanners revolve and helicopters circle the island of Manhattan endlessly. Other than the monthly food drops made by air into Central Park these outcasts are left completely on their own to prey on each other.
Into this living hell one master criminal, Snake Plissken, is sent alone on a mission as dangerous as the criminals within its walls; he must rescue the President of the United States whose plane crashes in New York City on its way to a world summit conference; the President is carrying papers that are crucial to the survival of the United States. As a deadly incentive, to prevent Snake from abandoning his rescue mission, two devices are implanted in Snake’s head, which could blow the famous crook to pieces.
Once inside New York City, Snake is pitted against roving street gangs of violent criminals and the crazies, the criminally insane, who live in the subways and break through the floors or pour out of manholes in hordes like sewer rats to attack whomever they can. It is the most powerful street gang in New York, the Gypsies, led by The Duke, who hold the President prisoner, demanding amnesty for all inhabitants of New York City for his release."
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I love Carpenter more now that I know he made the production company drop the lawsuit against Kojima.
He’s also a big fan of the gaming industry which makes him way cool! A great idea would be to have a MGS movie or animated film where Kurt Russell comes back and plays the role of Solid Snake
@@Mintcar923 would be kinda cool if they went through the series and had Russell for the adaptation of MGS4
@@itsmestan Absolutely! That would be an amazing idea..
But Carpenter did sue the people behind “Lockout”.
@@nielspetersen3324 saw the trailer and confused why he did cause man didn't really invent concept of a Action Man 👞🥴👞 saving Presidents Daughter or relative in a dark future or future world 🌍 like . . That's such a odd . . Take from him . . Also no offense feels watered down at best but not like Escape from NY is high brow nor is most Techno Mil Thrillers . . . 🥲 But fun and cult classic always
Can we just talk to a moment about how John Carpenter was just like "yeah i know kojima he's chill don't sue him" how fucking cool is that.
Omg hahaha, I shared this video on my snap with a caption saying basically this. What a fckn legend that man is 🙏
Y'know, i been a lifelong MGS fan and massive John Carpenter fan (yes, I even enjoyed Ghosts of Mars) but it took me until this video I'm watching at age 30 to make the Ocelot/Lee Van Cleef connection. Holy shit.
Escape from new york is awesome 👌
John Carpenter is a legend and a huge Gamer, he was offered the chance to take Kojima to court for plagiarism, But John Carpenter told the lawyer's to leave Kojima alone, as Carpenter said he loves Metal gear solid, and said Kojima had always been respectful to him.
That is awesome 👌 Carpenter is a legend 🙌
Speaking of music, the Afghanistan alert theme in MGSV is the most John Carpenter theme not written by John Carpenter, I love it
Escape from New York is not only a movie. It is THE MOVIE. Kojima has always been a real cinephile.
It’s very strange now that there are probably more people that knows of MG more than Escape from New York. John Carpenter is not that niche of a director. Time has changed.
It is still appreciated that Kojima is transparent with his references and tastes, it is a window for the people of today and tomorrow to know this film
maybe cause video games are the new big thing in the present and probably the future too, movies I think used to occupy the spot that games do now
Yeah, that seems to be true. A few years ago I had the tv on and the movie came up and my brother was doing something on his computer not paying attention and called me over asking what movie was playing because of all these MGS words kept coming up. He initially thought at that moment that MGS was a adaption of this old movie.
Entertainment has changed...
> John Carpenter is not that niche of a director.
He was during the early 80s. The Thing suffered a similar fate and only became a cult classic years later.
I got super high with my girlfriend last month and went "You know what, let's watch a movie I've been meaning for years to check out..." and watched Escape from New York. The entire time I was going "oh my god, Metal Gear is just this!" when I saw Lee van Cleef was in it. Like... c'mon.
The algorithm hid this one? It's on my front page two days later. Don't let this discourage you Jorin keep it up with the MGS videos especially V. :)
There was a copyright strike right when the video came out.
It was blocked pretty much right after it was published basically up until now.
@@havocbringer2100 I had the feeling that might have been a thing, when the film's footage was dou- triple-- no, nontupled (?) up... YT is a pain for that, Roanoke has had a lot of strikes for his film / game biology reviews. :(
Fantastic movie that inspired an equally fantastic video game series. Geniuses like Kojima and Carpenter are meant to inspire each other.
I pre-ordered MGS and had it the day it was released. It was SO OBVIOUS they were referencing Snake Plissken as soon as I heard that voice.
Surprised you didn’t include the exchange between Sam and his president mother about how there is no America to save. This is reminiscent of the line where Plissken says “President of what” to Van Cleef’s character when he brings up the president.
Haha that movie changed Kojima's life
One of my favorite movies as a kid, mgs became one of my favorite games shortly after.
David Hayter was the perfect VA for it, to really pull it off.
Yet Kojima tried to replace him in every MG after the first Solid. Because Kojima is a egomaniac starfucker who wanted Russell to do the job. But Russell told him to fuck off.
He eventually got his way with Kiefer, who barely even spoke.
@@wullahblack6452 Actually Phantom Pain is the only game where Hayter doesn't voice Snake.
@@vladv5126 Right. And do you know the story of how Kojima was trying to replace Hayter after the first Solid because A) Kojima is a starfucker who wants "famous" people to do what he thinks are his Hollywood level stories, and B) He hated that people thought of Hayter when they thought of Metal Gear more than they thought of Kojima.
I'm still not sure why you mention Phantom Pain as the only game Hayter didn't voice Snake, as I never suggested otherwise.
@@wullahblack6452 because he wouldn't need to "try and replace him". Much as I like Hayter, he worked for Kojima so if Kojima wanted to replace him earlier, he just would have. 🤷♂️ not saying I agree with his choice but I think there's less drama behind it than what people think.
@@vladv5126 It wasn't a matter of just replacing him. Kojima, being a star fucker, wanted someone who was an actual "famous" actor. Which is why he went for Russell. Russell said no, repeatedly. He finally got his chance with Sutherland. Hayter had to audition for the roll each game, multiple times. That's not very respectful. Spiteful, even.
There's plenty to back this up to, if you check out any Hayter interview for example. Makes sense when you think about it. Hayter after all actually is a Hollywood level Director and writer. Unlike Kojima who wishes he was.
Might be worth re-releasing the video as it looked like this one has somehow been missed off everyone's feed!
It originally got flagged for copyrighted content
I also get huge Lawrence of Arabia similarities with MGSV. James Bond for the first 3 mainline games especially goldinger, from Russia with love, and Roger Moore’s the spy who loved me .
Im glad this wasn't lost to time! Any chance that your Diamond Dogs "music video" can come back as well?
Or Ennio Morricone's Here's to you
Jorin, great comparison to Snake to Clint Eastwood. This film was his Eastwood impression, Big Trouble in Little China was his John Wayne impression, and The Thing was his every man impression. That sums up John Carpenter and Kurt Russell's early 80's trilogy, before Carpenter gave the middle finger to Hollywood and decided to become a rock star.
Wow Kojima took something that I thought was pretty good and turned it into something I love
hell yeah, john carpenter is a majorly underrated genius. thank you to Futurasound for calling attention to this seminal work.
I’m dressing up for Halloween as Snake Plissken! Holy shit Escape From New York is so goddamn good.
both game and movie are masterpieces
I'll check it out for sure. Carpenter is one of the greats even tho he's often left out of the conversation because of his accion-focus. They Live! is another classic, and the final fight between old Snake and Ocelot might've been inspired by the fight in that movie (among other influences).
Kojima and Carpenter. Some of the greats in their fields.
"There's nothing like the feeling of slamming an algo-boosting reference comment into a well greased comment box." - Revolver Ocelot
I remember this movie. Back then, I was confused because I was also familiar with Metal Gear that time. I took a few years until I realized that the movie was Kojima's inspiration for his very popular franchise.
I think Kojima is a Big John Carpenter fan and also a Kurt Russell fan, and what better way to immortalize a great movie by giving Kurt Russell an immortal character that we all love.
This is getting me and my friends to rewatch the film. Great job as always
Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake is one if the most difficult games i have every tried to play.
Because of this channel i got my hands on a PS3 and the master collection of MGS games. its slow going but i will play them all.
Keep going brother that one is my favorite in whole series
I always think of this as the first spirited snake, like they tie together and what all snakes have in common, they all get used.
You know JC was playing the games! Good on him preventing the lawsuit from happening!
I can't remember if you pointed this out in this video, but the snake on the chest as a visual is probably from this movie. Pliskin has a snake tattoo on his chest, The Boss and naked snake have a chest scar in the shape of a snake.
Naked Snake (Big Boss) doesn't have a scar on his chest. the Boss had it because she was pregnant with Ocelot during world war 2, and due to a combat injury, they had to operate the baby out of her (not sure how this is called).
growing up in the 80s as a kid Escape from New York was awesome especially climbing up on my roof looking over the Hudson from jersey and seeing the towers ....... playing the Metal Gear Saga from the NES all the way up to PS4 with feeling that there was a lot missing from MGS5 .............. here it is 2021 usually by now we would have some type of trailer or news of the next installment but realization setting in we will never have another METAL GEAR SOLID ............ Komani give that man his game back
John carpenter saving kojima from lawsuit ->->-> the greatest series in gaming is made
Yeah I recently watched both New York and L.A., and could feel the inspiration for MGS from Nee York. Great movie
Imitation is the highest form of flattery
Carpenter was wise enough to know it.
Loving this. Of course most folks know about the look and name of Snake, but I missed so much references
I wouldn't say that Escape From New York is necessarily a good "action" movie but its got vibes for days. It IS a really good movie but the action is not its selling point by any means.
what I like is that it's very "matter of fact" in the way the action/violence is portrayed. of course the low budget had a hand in that, but it does add to the movie in a positive way.
one thing I always liked about Solid Snake's character was how he never bought into his own legend. It appears he never really thought highly of himself, especially after darker revelations were revealed to him about his origins. He always pedestaled others such as Gray Fox, Master Miller, and even Big Boss(in skill and feats) higher than himself.
This even extends to how Big Boss himself never bought into his own legend when he pedestaled The Boss higher than himself.
This is awesome! I've always had an interest in the inspirations for MGS, but never looked into them. Also thinking about reading Paul Auster's New York Trilogy. Thanks for the upload Jorin.
2 days ago ? i watched ur feed this morning and this wasnt here, glad it came out
I think the Rambo and Lethal Weapon movies got a lot of inspiration for the Franchise.
Rambo got an a Bandana. Every Rambo films got of a lot of stealth infiltration methods. And Snake got an a Bandana all the time.
As for Lethal Weapon; the Snake character and another stuff looked like Rits ( the Police Officer ) at the beginning from the franchise, Snake looked like him. After when the Solid arises, the character designs changed a little. But inside at MGS2 Sons of Liberty. Snake looked a little more like Mel Gibson.
Of course, the Policenauts games; got a lot of sense, and inspiring too on making the future of Metal Gear as a franchise.
I'm glad you were able to get this back up. I saw the notification when it was posted only to be met with the copyright notice. Escape From New York has always been one of my favorite movies, even before I got my first taste of Metal Gear on a PSX Sampler Disc w/ a partially translated MGS1 demo.
Cheers to you and keep up the amazing work. Awesome to see your channel continue to grow!
It's cool to see that even today many people are escaping from new york and la.
I mean, look at the cover of the NES release of Metal Gear, it couldn't be any closer to the cover of Escape from New York, I think Snake is even holding that absurd Uzi with the suppressor with the scope on it.
I remember seeing that movie a few years ago after I heard it was the inspiration for MGS and 2 scenes in it was like "yep, that is Snake from MGS1"
In the film it's actually a MAC10, but the silhouette is close to a micro-Uzi.
“Good artists borrow, great artists steal.”
- Pablo Picasso
Coincidentally just watched the movie for the first time a few days ago!
Please make another MGS3 video, I love your content and references!
I'm quite surprised I didn't see this earlier, and that it got taken down. But I must ask, where did you get the image of Venom in his leather diamond dogs jacket?
Thanks for making all these videos.
There is story from Kurt who was walking around with his eye patch and big gun he scared the local tugs just by his look.
Keep it up
This stuff is gold Jerry!
GOLD!!
I like how TH-cam is trying to get me to buy or rent the movie like I don't already have a torrented copy from decades ago permanently saved to the "best movies" folder.
Criminally underrated
With your videos, Red Letter Media John Carpenter month and George Sahokihn (a MG streamer on yt)
My Metal Gear quota is more than enough
Thanks you so, so much
I thought this was a live action mgs movie but i didn’t know this inspired metal gear
Nice! I always wanted to watch this one but it was taken down I believe. I remember seeing it listed in one of your playlists
Feel kinda full circle if Kojima and Carpenter ever join up for a Snake Plissken game plus could be funny jab at Konami to have Kojima say Snake is dead long live Snake and have Kurt Russell walk up fully geared and simply ask 'Miss me?'
Escape From New York isn't the only influence for Solid Snake or Metal Gear Solid . Hideo Kojima said Solid Snake is inspired by Christopher Walken's character in the action movie The Dogs Of War .
I rewatched the movie because of this excellent video, bravo my friend.
Don't let the bastards get you down
Carpenter was going to sue that hack, until Kojima called him. Carpenter was then like, "hes nice, harmless nerd" and decided to throw him a bone and not sue.
I'm currently playing Snatcher, it's damn amazing! There is so much great media in the world.
I was gonna play Snatcher but then I remembered I watched Blade Runner so I've basically already played that game.
Love those post apocalyptic 80s movies
You fuxking rock man. This is fucking great.
3:25 OH HELL NAW💀💀💀
lol i didn't know they wanted to sue kojima over the music and that Carpenter "knows" Kojima
Kojima called him when the lawsuit was a thing and was really nice to Carpenter, so John C. basically said "meh, he's a nice guy, drop the suit"
What a great film, get some popcorn and turn down the lights.
anyone else had his voice cutoff after "Note for note"
Thank you John Carpenter. Excellent presentation.
Escape from L.A. even had the intro to Metal Gear Solid the one man mini torpedo.
Very random, but the plot of ‘presidential plane landing in “anarchist” territory’ feels extremely similar to Cyberpunks recent dlc story
* I think if they ever decide to do a prequel trilogy that leads up to a remake of Escape from New York, I don't see the harm in saying that Snake Plissken quite literally "IS" Solid Snake from the Metal Gear games. It would certainly make Snake Plissken's world a whole lot bigger, and give him more of a backstory. However, the character should always look like Kurt Russell's Snake Plissken, so that there's no confusing that both characters are one and the same person. They could simply call the first prequel *ESCAPE.* Where they merge Snake Plissken and Solid Snake's background. Where he was originally named "David" by a woman who was one of the staff members working on project "Les Enfants Terribles".
* However, for some reason he ended up in foster care(her doing perhaps?). He was adopted by a couple who formally named him "Bob" for whatever reason. For whatever reason, they could not care for him anymore, and he went back into foster care. Then, he would've been adopted by a man named "Plissken" and his wife. This man named "Plissken" would've been the leader of the Hells Angels motorcycle gang NYC chapter. He would not have wanted anyone to know that he couldn't have children of his own. So he and his wife would've put on some normal clothes and made themselves and their home look decent when they went in to sign the adoption forms.
* They would do this so they could fool the adoption agency into thinking that they would make good parents. The name "Bob" would not sit right with this leader of a Hells Angels MC chapter. So he starts calling him "Snake", and they begin grooming him to become the leader of this Hells Angels chapter some day. Growing up in a motorcycle gang in the Bronx, NY(where they lived) "Bob"(Snake) becomes a huge fan of, and is obsessed with basketball(the New York Knicks), the Harlem Globetrotters, Evel Knievel, and surfing(in order to explain certain things in "Escape from L.A.). For recreation, if he wasn't playing basketball(prison rules) at one of the local courts, he was surfing at "Rockaway Beach"(92nd Street Beach).
* When he was 17 he even won the "East Coast Surfing Championship". To make a long story short, "Snake" gets into a lot of trouble before the age of 18, and for whatever reason is court ordered to join the army. Perhaps to give him an opportunity to break away from crime. He does so well in the army, he is selected and transferred to Green Beret boot camp. He impressed his superiors so much, that he was selected and transferred to the high-tech "FOXHOUND Special Forces Group". He was placed in the "Black Light Unit"(also known as "Delta Unit") FOXHOUND's "Sneaking Unit Special Division". This is why he was called "SD" Plissken(or SD could stand for "Sneaking/Delta"). This could also be where FOXHOUND gives him the call sign "Solid Snake", or "Snake" for short.
* Then, WWIII breaks out. This is where the 2nd prequel in the trilogy could take place. It could be called *Escape* *from* *Siberia,* where he is given his first purple heart for something he did, and is promoted to the rank of "Second Lieutenant". The 3rd film in the trilogy could be called *Escape* *from* *Russia,* and could be where he is decorated with his 2nd purple heart by the president himself, and is promoted to the rank of "First Lieutenant". He loses his left eye during this mission due to nerve gas. FOXHOUND surgically implants a bionic eye in place of his now useless eye. It is obvious to look at, that his new eye is bionic in nature. This replacement eye gives him normal vision(so as to not hamper his depth perception).
* He was also given a special technological eyepatch to not only conceal the nature of his now robotic-looking left eye, but is also designed to be used in conjunction with his cybernetic eye. Utilizing nanotechnology, they provide him with special features such as: night vision, infrared vision, ultraviolet vision, telescopic vision, microscopic vision and x-ray vision. The last 3rd of the movie could be where he's on leave, and is convinced by FOXHOUND scientist "Dr. Harold Hellman" and fellow member of Black Light Unit "Fresno Bob" to rob the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, and the rest is history.
* Then they can begin working on a remake of "Escape from New York", where they could say it's the year 2037(instead of 1997), or better yet, don't give a specific year. Just say "In the future..." or something like that. When WWIII began, the crisis gave the government the excuse they needed to declare martial law in the country, and it becomes a police state that is then reorganized into a new government that is renamed: "The New World Order"(N.W.O.). New York City is hit by a chemical or biological weapon. The city is quarantined until an immunizing agent can be developed.
* A wall is built around Manhattan Island where any civilians infected with a contagious virus, where there is no current or not enough immunizing agents available, are sent. It is a slow process, but any civilians in Manhattan, or were sent to Manhattan Island and are still alive are eventually treated. They had a two-fold reason for building the walls. When the crisis was over, they were not going to tear the walls down. Instead, they were planning on using Manhattan Island as the one N.W.O. "Manhattan National Penitentiary". However, they would not shut off *ALL* of the electricity, and they would continue to provide plumbing, water and food(only what's necessary), but they would not perform maintenance on anything.
* They would be on their own in that regard. So what do you think? Would those make some good Snake Plissken movies? Do you think they would do him justice? They would have to take great care when casting the role of Snake Plissken. Josh Brolin would've been perfect for the role when he was between the age of 31 and 39(between the years 1999 and 2007). Jason Momoa would've been perfect between the years 1999 and 2018, but he's 6'4". The character of Snake Plissken is 6' 1", but I guess we're only talking about the difference of 3 inches. They would not be able to afford to make a mistake like they made when casting Alden Ehrenreich as Han Solo in that movie called "Solo: A Star Wars Story. Please don't make a mistake like that.
can we talk about how mgs esque the rock is
how does this not have more views?
did the bit around 5:30 have to be edited? I was waiting to hear what the line was.
This just had to happen!!
Thought this was never going to happen go to LA now lolz
How my favorite movie growing up inspired my favorite game
love the movies, just learned theres a video game just now
First Time I saw Images fom Escape from New York it blew my mind, holy shit this is like MGS that's where that came from!
I had the same Thing seeing Scarface with Vice City as a Kid. Let's hope this Video stays up before the Patriot's Network claim it.
I've always said Kurt Russell would be perfect for the role of Solid Snake, and then i usually add "and Solid Snake from MGS1 was based on Kurt Russell!"
1:47 more like rules, RULES OF NATURE!!!
Can you say more about the influence of The Great Escape on MGS? They're my favorite movie and game but I had no idea they shared more than passing resemblance.
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Here's a little more on the Great Escape as well as James Bond inspiring Kojima. 🙂
Movies to be correct. Kojima also took from Escape from LA.
wheres the last cutscene from? i cant remember seeing in mgsv
Wow, I never knew
man you surely kept us waiting only movies that I want you to review are Guyver Dark Hero = MGS1 Solid Snakes voice actor Sean Barker, Big Trouble in little China = MGS2 Jack is the lower deck episode though he thinks he's the hero and Escape from L.A. = well obviously MGS4^^
awwww yeah this is cool boss :3
The movie may not be absolutely perfect, but it sure as hell is enjoyable like the majority of Carpenters films. And the fucking music
Craaazy...
Time limit that inspires Die Hard later, Die-Hardman and Heartman (with his time limit) from Death Stranding. heh heh
I wonder; if this movie also inspired: 'Batman: Arkham City'??
"My name's not important. What's important is what I'm going to do."
I became a fan of MGS before seeing these movies and lost my shit seeing the movie later like “THATS FK’N SNAKE!” 😂
I saw LA before I saw New York, unfortunately, but I love both movies. LA is definitely cheesier and jumps the shark at that surfing scene.
And here i thought the only leaks between both was the name and the eyepatch. Now that i think about it, Snake looks a lot like Snake ..... Ok i'll see myself out
The Snake on the cover of the original MetalGear is Kyle Reese ( Michael Biehn) from the first Terminator movie. Dont know if you covered that but it was the first thing I noticed when I bought the game way back when.
Jorin! Kurt Russell briefly alludes to why he chose not to participate in MGS in GQ’s latest video of Kurt Russell discussing his iconic movie characters, including Snake Pliskin
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If anyone wants to play a game inspired by Escape from NY, try Manhunt, even the soundtrack sounds inspired by Carpenter
I have the bell notifications for this channel but TH-cam still didn’t tell me....