Very useful tips. Working on the fundamentals are extremely important. Table Tennis is such a complex sport where you have to combine footwork, technique, timing and mental focus altogether. If you have just one part that is off the optimal, your game quickly deteriorates. This happens to everyone, even at the professional level. We see often that one might admire their shot too much and over committed themselves. Then just watching the ball coming back onto their own side.
I would say the biggest thing that helped me was my serve and third ball attack. I practice this a lot with my friend and it definitely tunes me in for match play. In fact I would take this single exercise over most others in terms of learning the possible scenarios I'm gonna find myself in after each type of serve I can do and how I can approach each scenario effectively.
Ignore me,, just make a list for my own.. 1. Nail the basic 0:22 2. Feel the ball 1:40 3. Weight transfer 3:16 4. Footwork 4:45 5. Timing point 5:22 6. Practice on pressure 6:26 7. Video analysis 7:41 8. Game plan 8:16 9. Develop weapon 9:04 10. Have fun !!🏓🏓 10:12 Thank you Dan and Tom !!!
BOYS! This is far and away the best tips video I've ever seen... 1 through 10 directly applies to me & my game. Thanks so much for making it! After I finished it, I sent it to a bunch of buddies that I play with at our club in Charlotte NC USA. PS: I'm signing up for a TTD membership today. Thanks Again! Drew
Yes, that is very important as well. There are two school of thoughts on that. 1. The way you grip your paddle definitely affect your technique of various strokes. Especially with Shakehand and Penhold, there are lots of varieties within. Each style will help and hamper the execution of the shots. 2. However, it is more important to 'how' you hold your paddle. Table Tennis is about transferring the power through the momentum, from the feet all the way to your wrist, as if the paddle is an extension of your 'hand' itself. Therefore, do not have a tight grip on the paddle all the time. You are not only tensing yourself all over the body, but you can tire out quickly. Besides, your quality of the stroke would be much more restricted. This in turns, will likely causing overcompensation from parts of your body, which will cause various degrees of injuries. Chinese coaches are keying on the 'feel' of the paddle. Therefore, table tennis will becoming easier on your body when you are 'relaxed' and 'in control'. Before the actual shot, make sure your grip is somewhat loose. But keep in mind to be in position and ready for the stroke. Then gradually using the 'power from the ground'. Using your momentum to transfer the power from your legs, to your ankle, knees (staying low and bent), hips/waist (with the turn), shoulder, elbow and finally wrist. At that point, you gradually increased the grip of your paddle and accelerate at the point of contact with the ball. Once you do that, you finish your stroke. Then quickly on your follow through and deceleration phase, decrease your grip again and relax your entire body to get ready for the next shot. If you want to see other videos of this and the Chinese techniques of effective Table Tennis, I will definitely suggest you to check out 'coach emratthich'. He is a professor and a coach for a French League Table Tennis team. He will give you a lot of knowledge and insights to the game, where some important aspects are ignored by many European coaches. Good luck!
People usually get discouraged when they go to their local club and on the first few visits, lose (almost) all matches, having fun and learning from your losses is key to improvement, after a match, think about what kind of mistakes you made, what you could've done better... People are too quick to assume they had no chance and not learn from experience.
Great Video :) I think being confident in your stokes is one of the most important points to get better. Because without confidence, you can't hit the ball as "full" and hard as you could. This of course implements your first point, nailing the basics.
Dan... your TT skills, enthusiasm, drive and confidence is above and beyond most international level pros. Moreover, the way you explain your play and stay humble is just brilliant. So, for me... Dan represents table tennis for the whole of UK. Furthermore, Dan represents table tennis coaching/lessons/TH-cam for the whole world.
Just picked up table tennis again after 10 years (last played at school), I just wanna say these videos are gold and are gonna be super helpful for helping me improve
I'm an English teacher here in JP, and children here are really good at playing table tennis. I'll try these tips out (especially the ground-to-arm power generation) as well as improve on my own weapon (very low powered serve which scrambles them into running towards the table) 😂
Love the point about analysing your own videoed matches. Would be great if you or Tom could analyze one of your own matches on video and upload it. That would be really insightful, I think.
here's a top tip. I'm not a player but a father of one. My son is 8, as soon as he showed an interest in the game, I booked him into the local club where there's a proper ITTF coach, in just 3 sessions his improvement is beyond belief.
I was an international player in table tennis and represented my country🇩🇿 in many tournaments. But I stopped doing it for 4 years ago 😭. But I missed it so I came to watch this video❤️
tq for the tips..yesterday i did tips no 2..i realize during matches i contact the ball too thick which causes the ball go long..then i changed and brush thinly during fh and bh topspin and i won against my friend whom i never beat before for 1 year.hehe..keep it up
I dabble in table tennis every once in a while at my school. I lose all the time but I’m having fun and I’ve recently decided that I want to get a lot better. Wish me luck!
Are you going to get any lessons so you don't have to reinvent the wheel? It's hard to develop technique without understanding what to do. Desire alone doesn't build the understanding of technique whether it be The Strokes and or footwork
Could you go over all the basics? (so you can know exactly what to practice, is there universal basics or will these differ from country to country, state per state etc?) when it comes to recording, would it be most optimal to video from a top-down point of view? or is the video at 08:14 fine/most optimal?
Perfect. Thanks for the tips. It helps for sure. After our office hours, we tend to join for a TT match, and play for fun and sometime serious in match.
11. Have a coach. 12. Watch others - especially strong players and the ones who are learning and improving (rather that use same old tactics all over again).
My new job has A table in the break room. I never played before but 4 months later I’ve played hours. Every smoke break my co workers have a game going. I actually will skip the smoke sometimes to guarantee I get a table spot. It is an incredibly fun game.
Love these tutorial/ videos. It would also be helpful when discussing things like weight transfer to ID specific body points like knees shoulders elbow and highlight how it varies based on performance as they seem to me to indicators of body mechanics.
What helps me play better is if you play on a smaller table like a dining room table. You get used to the smaller table so when you play on a real table, It feels big and it makes it easier.
I improved my game massivley, once i stopped to just Train for tabletennis 4 days a week. I started hitting the gym twice in the morning and going for a nice Long swim on sundays. I felt so much more relaxed in my games, no idea why
Amazing and useful tips👍🏓️. The emphasis on fundamental technique is so crucial to developing your game and improving. Without these basics, You won’t be getting anywhere.one suggestion and tip that you haven’t mentioned is to use multiball training and also practicing playing more games and match situation in your training as well😀
You get extra points for good audio. Many of the other table tennis video groups have bad audio. The cloth you have on the walls seems to be working well.
Going to practice session on Friday.. not played for decades, so this was excellent for tips.. Is it hard on the knees? I've just given up football after a second ACL operation , so have both right and left ACLS done.. I'm hoping this will be okay to cope with TT
TT is a very rewarding game. Favorable learning curve and easy to pick up again after long breaks. I started playing with my seniors in 5th grade summer break. Became good enough to steal a set from them in a course of 3 months. Now at 23, I've injured my knee playing basketball, so wanted to switch to some sport that will be easier on me.
@@hottopics7561 fortunately it's a lot better now, I'm able to run without much problems and even do gym 6 days a week. Strengthening the muscles in quads and calves helped a lot.
Great tips! Thank you so much. But I have a question. I'm training a youth team since newest. They are not bad. But the basics are just not right. No footwork, wrong technique and no basic position. I bite out my teeth to correct that. Do you have any tips on how I can convey that to them?
OT: High school back injury resulted in "throwing back out" when swinging any kind of bat (baseball, tennis, TT - and probably handball!) Chiro would put back with the "twisting" adjustment - one way (!) Thinking... I'm right handed , what if played left handed? I'm 71 now (LOL) and still would like to play.
Coach sir Kindly advise in table tennis if ball hits edge of the t.t racket or hits blade/ frame of t.t racket (any wooden part of racket not covered by rubbers) will ball still be in play or will I loose one point as per ITTF rules. Thanks
hey guys im 13 in a wheelchair and would say im decent for my situation i have range but not heaps of strength but can hit the ball hard, any tips, its quite hard being low done because i cant really brush and get over the ball or it will go far or straight into the net.
Any tips we missed? Let us know in the comments 🔥
Very useful tips. Working on the fundamentals are extremely important. Table Tennis is such a complex sport where you have to combine footwork, technique, timing and mental focus altogether. If you have just one part that is off the optimal, your game quickly deteriorates.
This happens to everyone, even at the professional level. We see often that one might admire their shot too much and over committed themselves. Then just watching the ball coming back onto their own side.
I usually train multiple balls
You missed the tip of tipping the tip of the tip
I feel like the 10th tip should be abt the best racket config for oneself
I would say the biggest thing that helped me was my serve and third ball attack. I practice this a lot with my friend and it definitely tunes me in for match play. In fact I would take this single exercise over most others in terms of learning the possible scenarios I'm gonna find myself in after each type of serve I can do and how I can approach each scenario effectively.
Ignore me,, just make a list for my own..
1. Nail the basic 0:22
2. Feel the ball 1:40
3. Weight transfer 3:16
4. Footwork 4:45
5. Timing point 5:22
6. Practice on pressure 6:26
7. Video analysis 7:41
8. Game plan 8:16
9. Develop weapon 9:04
10. Have fun !!🏓🏓 10:12
Thank you Dan and Tom !!!
Haha I see you editing this second after second
@@tomash_354 haha 🤣🤣
You are smart!!
T
I read dad and mom
Thanks
BOYS! This is far and away the best tips video I've ever seen... 1 through 10 directly applies to me & my game. Thanks so much for making it! After I finished it, I sent it to a bunch of buddies that I play with at our club in Charlotte NC USA.
PS: I'm signing up for a TTD membership today.
Thanks Again!
Drew
Thanks Dude, much appreciated!
Drew Sinclair f
funniest ping pong game of all time in my channel come and watch2
I practice in a garage with lots of stuff so if you mess up you might need to dodge a wrench
😂
Lol
Well, if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball
@@kousseye155 if u can dodge a dodgeball, you can dodge a bullet
@@kousseye155 i was about to comment that hahahaha
Something I wish more coaches would emphasize is having a conventional grip, because if you don't it can break down the technique of the stroke
Yes, that is very important as well. There are two school of thoughts on that.
1. The way you grip your paddle definitely affect your technique of various strokes. Especially with Shakehand and Penhold, there are lots of varieties within. Each style will help and hamper the execution of the shots.
2. However, it is more important to 'how' you hold your paddle. Table Tennis is about transferring the power through the momentum, from the feet all the way to your wrist, as if the paddle is an extension of your 'hand' itself.
Therefore, do not have a tight grip on the paddle all the time. You are not only tensing yourself all over the body, but you can tire out quickly. Besides, your quality of the stroke would be much more restricted. This in turns, will likely causing overcompensation from parts of your body, which will cause various degrees of injuries.
Chinese coaches are keying on the 'feel' of the paddle. Therefore, table tennis will becoming easier on your body when you are 'relaxed' and 'in control'. Before the actual shot, make sure your grip is somewhat loose. But keep in mind to be in position and ready for the stroke.
Then gradually using the 'power from the ground'. Using your momentum to transfer the power from your legs, to your ankle, knees (staying low and bent), hips/waist (with the turn), shoulder, elbow and finally wrist. At that point, you gradually increased the grip of your paddle and accelerate at the point of contact with the ball. Once you do that, you finish your stroke. Then quickly on your follow through and deceleration phase, decrease your grip again and relax your entire body to get ready for the next shot.
If you want to see other videos of this and the Chinese techniques of effective Table Tennis, I will definitely suggest you to check out 'coach emratthich'. He is a professor and a coach for a French League Table Tennis team. He will give you a lot of knowledge and insights to the game, where some important aspects are ignored by many European coaches. Good luck!
Good
The Problem with most of these tips: You need a partner who is pretty good :D
ik mr gay
So true tho, you need someone that is close to your level or else you won't get better , no matter how hard you try
That's really not a problem, just go to a club
Just play with the wall!
@@zuzu-my6li not so efficient to play against the wall though
Gotta love the back and forth (not only of the ball, but also of the way they talk!)
true
People usually get discouraged when they go to their local club and on the first few visits, lose (almost) all matches, having fun and learning from your losses is key to improvement, after a match, think about what kind of mistakes you made, what you could've done better... People are too quick to assume they had no chance and not learn from experience.
I wish I even had a club to lose at. I don't think ping pong is very big here in the US
@@pumitriii6160 it’s not but there are some. I just found one by me in NC
@@pumitriii6160 same here 😭
That's what coaches are for, observing technical weaknesses that the player does not detect on their own or how to clear it up
Thanks very much. To what extent does a deep versus shallow grip make a difference?
Thanks!
Great Video :)
I think being confident in your stokes is one of the most important points to get better. Because without confidence, you can't hit the ball as "full" and hard as you could. This of course implements your first point, nailing the basics.
Dan... your TT skills, enthusiasm, drive and confidence is above and beyond most international level pros. Moreover, the way you explain your play and stay humble is just brilliant.
So, for me... Dan represents table tennis for the whole of UK. Furthermore, Dan represents table tennis coaching/lessons/TH-cam for the whole world.
Dang
:💀
Do a collab with pongfinity
Didn’t that already happen
@@swagmzlf no
@@himnishsinha6896 kinda did actually. But not with Otto and Miikka.
It happened
Oh hell yes
Just picked up table tennis again after 10 years (last played at school), I just wanna say these videos are gold and are gonna be super helpful for helping me improve
I'm an English teacher here in JP, and children here are really good at playing table tennis. I'll try these tips out (especially the ground-to-arm power generation) as well as improve on my own weapon (very low powered serve which scrambles them into running towards the table) 😂
Japan?
Love the point about analysing your own videoed matches. Would be great if you or Tom could analyze one of your own matches on video and upload it. That would be really insightful, I think.
We have this feature on the Academy website :)
here's a top tip.
I'm not a player but a father of one.
My son is 8, as soon as he showed an interest in the game, I booked him into the local club where there's a proper ITTF coach, in just 3 sessions his improvement is beyond belief.
Where's the tip??
@@bharatdhurua8321 go to a club
@@bharatdhurua8321That’s what she said !
Also good tip : Keep it simple!
E.g.: Long backspin serve, attack immediately afterwards with a soft spinny topspin, place the ball at the sides.
Uhmm... I can’t even do this
Thankyou guys. I'm from india. I wanted to improve my game and this video helped me a lot. Thankyou again. 🙏
Thanks so much to both of you for giving tips for us I am learning so many things from this channel thanks bro
Thank you for the great tips. Now need to practice these.
I was an international player in table tennis and represented my country🇩🇿 in many tournaments. But I stopped doing it for 4 years ago 😭. But I missed it so I came to watch this video❤️
I feel your pain, happened to me too.
Why did you quit?
@sebia i am ready to play with you.🏓
Challenge
I was also a world champion for 10 year but I came here to learn
@@vnixz I was a universal champ
tq for the tips..yesterday i did tips no 2..i realize during matches i contact the ball too thick which causes the ball go long..then i changed and brush thinly during fh and bh topspin and i won against my friend whom i never beat before for 1 year.hehe..keep it up
Wonderful point by point breakdown. Simply amazing n really inspiring! Thank you
i am a beginner and i used these tips during table tennis class and my mates called me a poser
Bruh
They simply doesn't know basics and just mocking you. Continue with these practice and you will be better than those people.
Lol same but I get called mr jelly bouncer
They say that because their game is so lame that they feel overwhelmed, and their relief is calling you like that 🤣
@@fartuunmohamed5299 😂
Wow guys, impressive video, maybe your best one ever so far. So many great ideas, thanks!!
Yes absolutely especially feeling the ball aspect
this video help me in my first coaching JOB, Thx very nice
I dabble in table tennis every once in a while at my school. I lose all the time but I’m having fun and I’ve recently decided that I want to get a lot better. Wish me luck!
Saaaame
Are you going to get any lessons so you don't have to reinvent the wheel? It's hard to develop technique without understanding what to do. Desire alone doesn't build the understanding of technique whether it be The Strokes and or footwork
Good luck man
UPDATE PLS!
@@lb9817+1!
Excellent tips.Loved it and we will implement surely
Could you go over all the basics? (so you can know exactly what to practice, is there universal basics or will these differ from country to country, state per state etc?)
when it comes to recording, would it be most optimal to video from a top-down point of view? or is the video at 08:14 fine/most optimal?
funniest ping pong game of all time in my channel come and watch3
My uncle just came to our house and just destroyed us , now I’ll revenge , sounds like a kung fu movie lol
I love this mental of table tennis. But at the end of the day is destruction with respect
@@bluespirit8590 he destroyed me 💔 but I almost won so its a win for me somehow 😂👍
@@kareem4677 You must seek vengeance, it is your ping pong destiny
Thanks for sharing...these tips are really helpful! 👌
Perfect. Thanks for the tips. It helps for sure. After our office hours, we tend to join for a TT match, and play for fun and sometime serious in match.
11. Have a coach.
12. Watch others - especially strong players and the ones who are learning and improving (rather that use same old tactics all over again).
I’m lefty and I only train with right handed playees
95% of people are right handers, I’ve just become used to it to the point where I hate playing against left handers.
me too
I’m also lefty
Luckily one of my friends is left handed and the other is right handed
I’m both it’s easy first I start with my left then when I actually try I switch
My new job has A table in the break room. I never played before but 4 months later I’ve played hours. Every smoke break my co workers have a game going. I actually will skip the smoke sometimes to guarantee I get a table spot. It is an incredibly fun game.
Thank you this helped me a lot I am a big fan I watch all your videos
Hi lads, you broke down a lot of very useful techniques into extremely understandable short clips. Thank you 😊
Love these tutorial/ videos. It would also be helpful when discussing things like weight transfer to ID specific body points like knees shoulders elbow and highlight how it varies based on performance as they seem to me to indicators of body mechanics.
Finally good tips! Thank you!
The quality of this video is very high! Thank you ❤️ 🏓
Finally a high quality table tennis channel other than Pongfinity. Please make more!!
Ping skills is also good
After this video I have improved in my forehands and backhands in the table tennis.
Nice boys. The part about having a unique weapon was great as was how all the points were presented. 👏🏾❤️👍🏽
Thank you very much, great video!!!
Thank you for teaching 👍💐💐
Who else searched how to become better at table tennis to beat their siblings?
me 😂
Hahaha I'm playing tomm at work and trying to become an expert through vidoes.
Nobody. I don't know how this video showed up as recommendation
@@barygolso why are you even commenting dumbass, carry on with your day and touch some grass next time you think about commenting.
I wanted to beat my brother😅
Excellent video! Thanks guys 👍
Hi! What paddle should I buy for playing?
Butterfly rubber is very good
Joola frame is very good
@@mr.ksharb8241 thank you
Blade- 5-ply wood, FH Rubber- regular or Chinese tacky, BH rubber- tensor
You guys deserve a thumbs up for tip # 10. It brought smile on my face
A very Happy and prosperous New year to TT players and fraternity 🏓
Thanks for tips Sir
I learned alot
I will try Sirs
God Bless
Tip 1 0:23
Tip 2 1:42
Tip 3 3:18
Tip 4 4:47
Tip 5 5:23
Tip 6 6:28
Tip 7 7:42
Tip 8 8:18
Tip 9 9:08
Tip 10 10:13
HOW DID YOU DO THAT WITHOUT EDITING YOUR COMENT????
😂😂
Just started playing during covid with my buddies, such an amazing game
Awesome video!!! thank you very much! helps alot as a new player, What racket combination do you guys recommend for a newer player?
funniest ping pong game of all time in my channel come and watch3
Thank you so much guys. Got a tournament coming up and this is very useful
What helps me play better is if you play on a smaller table like a dining room table. You get used to the smaller table so when you play on a real table, It feels big and it makes it easier.
Wonderful training by the duo
I improved my game massivley, once i stopped to just Train for tabletennis 4 days a week. I started hitting the gym twice in the morning and going for a nice Long swim on sundays. I felt so much more relaxed in my games, no idea why
It is called "escaping the boredom" from doing the same things everyday , surely it will bring your good mood back when you playing the game back
Wonderful bro this video helped me like I can't express this improved my game 99%
Thanks so much guys! This is absolutely fantastic! I love it, can't wait to go practice now 👌🏾
Amazing and useful tips👍🏓️. The emphasis on fundamental technique is so crucial to developing your game and improving. Without these basics, You won’t be getting anywhere.one suggestion and tip that you haven’t mentioned is to use multiball training and also practicing playing more games and match situation in your training as well😀
I'm a tennis coach, we have to go through the same fundamental concepts in varied strokes and footwork
Really love the last tip, Dan: Have Fun ^^
Normally I watch these things and I have no idea what's happening, but I really like how they explain things I hope that this helps me improve
Great video, please could you do a video on choosing a paddle? Beginners etc
5 ply wood blade, soft tensor rubber on backhand, normal inverted rubber on forehand. This is a typical beginner setup.
funniest ping pong game of all time in my channel come and watch3
Hello and thanks for the tips 💯. I've just started my training and I would like to know which is the recommendable type of bat 🏓 to play with.
Good vedio even a pro can learn a lot from it😊😊😊😊😊
These videos are so helpful. I love your channel❤
Thanks. So much helpful.
What are some more examples of things I can have as a weapon for tip nine?
man dan u been pumping out the vids thats amazing xD
Thank you 🙏😀 both of you, sir!!
You get extra points for good audio.
Many of the other table tennis video groups have bad audio.
The cloth you have on the walls seems to be working well.
Thank you so much 🎉🎉🎉🎉that was so useful. I love tennis on the table
what ping pong table are you guys using ?
Going to practice session on Friday.. not played for decades, so this was excellent for tips..
Is it hard on the knees? I've just given up football after a second ACL operation , so have both right and left ACLS done.. I'm hoping this will be okay to cope with TT
Table tennis can be hard on the knees at a high level, but even seniors can be competitive at this game without moving much.
I could not believe that having fun is a tip. Thank you so much for this tip.
Hey Ariel, I think it's quite an underrated tip
@@TableTennisDaily you are totally right.
Thanks for the video dan
I just wana ask you that how could you calculate the angle as you said 30 60 90
Abdul Rafay Mir he was talking about the speec 30 60 90
@@samflynn5096 thankyou but what do you mean by speec
Abdul Rafay Mir speed
TT is a very rewarding game. Favorable learning curve and easy to pick up again after long breaks. I started playing with my seniors in 5th grade summer break. Became good enough to steal a set from them in a course of 3 months. Now at 23, I've injured my knee playing basketball, so wanted to switch to some sport that will be easier on me.
even so your knees are very important in all sports including table tennis
@@hottopics7561 yeah it is, at a high level, but I only play for fun. I don't exert myself fully while playing now.
@@vaishnavnegi9640 will help you stay mobile , hope your knee recovers
@@hottopics7561 fortunately it's a lot better now, I'm able to run without much problems and even do gym 6 days a week. Strengthening the muscles in quads and calves helped a lot.
Loved the tips, so for free! Thanks a bunch
Great tips! Thank you so much. But I have a question. I'm training a youth team since newest. They are not bad. But the basics are just not right. No footwork, wrong technique and no basic position. I bite out my teeth to correct that. Do you have any tips on how I can convey that to them?
funniest ping pong game of all time in my channel come and watch3
Thanks guys this is so helpful to my table tennis journey 😊 thank you so much
Whos here because we keep losing 😂🤚🏾🤦🏾♂️
I play every day and I can’t seem to see any improvement.
Me
Spent 3 hrs playing dad beat me every time
Hahhahahaha true but not always
I hope this is a joke
Great tips guys
Thanks so much for the help
Also, is there a standard way of holding the tennis bat or you can hold it the way it suits you?
Great guys for this great video! Really help to remind and reinforce things we sometimes overlook during table tennis training =)
OT: High school back injury resulted in "throwing back out" when swinging any kind of bat (baseball, tennis, TT - and probably handball!) Chiro would put back with the "twisting" adjustment - one way (!) Thinking... I'm right handed , what if played left handed? I'm 71 now (LOL) and still would like to play.
Halo table tennis daily, may you update about top 5 blades? I want make a new one bet. Thank's.
Is really good footwork an example of a weapon I can utilize for tip 9?
I came here because of 11 table tennis vr. It applies, cheers chaps.
That is an AMAZING video for beginners
A video about returning different types of spin please :)
how bout u ask naruto
@@MinhNguyen-yy8vq homie wut
thanks so much 🙏 🙏
Thanks very much, I am a Chinese and will try to do these exercise.
Great explanation and nicely made videos 👍
Coach sir
Kindly advise
in table tennis if ball hits edge of the t.t racket or hits blade/ frame of t.t racket (any wooden part of racket not covered by rubbers) will ball still be in play or will I loose one point as per ITTF rules.
Thanks
Very good video , clear and precise with some simple but constructive tips .
hey guys im 13 in a wheelchair and would say im decent for my situation i have range but not heaps of strength but can hit the ball hard, any tips, its quite hard being low done because i cant really brush and get over the ball or it will go far or straight into the net.