Fast as the wind, the invasion has begun Shaking the ground with the force of a thousand polarons First in the line of fire First into hostile land Gunships leading the way Leading the way Charging the lines with the force of a furious storm Fast as the lighting phantoms swarm On the planet at nightfall Taken within a day Thus earning their name Earning the fame They are the Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread Always ahead, as the blitzkrieg rages on Breaking morale with the the sound of blazing guns First in the line of fire First into hostile land Tanks leading the way Leading the way Leaving a trail of destruction to a foreign land Massive assault made to serve the Founder's plan Communication's broken Reinforcements are far away Thus earning their name Earning the fame They are the Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread Pushing the frontline forth with a tremendous force Breaching the way for Jem'hadar corps First in the line of fire First into hostile land Gunships leading the way Claiming the fame They are the Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
“Testuda” armor, no doubt named for Cardassia’s indigenous spoon-shelled amphibians. I like what you did there; glad to see Latin isn’t dead. These videos are brilliant and they absolutely make my day when you upload them.
Urban fighting against an endless hoard that has no sense of self preservation must have been awful. The Starfleet marines are the only force however that we see employ ground vehicles that can quickly be loaded off a dropship; that would give them an enormous advantage in the open country where they could be extremely mobile with dozens of variants of the Argo ground vehicle like the ww2 Sherman 'uglies' for which a Sherman tank existed for every occasion. Federation troops seem the worst equipped for urban fighting however, their uniforms don't even provide camo and their weapons are sub optimal. An amazing take on an underappreciated part of sci-fi where the most brutal of fighting happens. Truly stellar
Starfleet spec ops did what it could. About 2 years into the war ( before hostilities commenced formally) I was the Admiral in charge of SFC spec ops. I turned over command to Starfleet formally when my duties as admiral of task force ghost began to eat up too much of my time.,
@Venom Geek Media 98 I suppose that camo doesn't really matter as long as your aren't wearing bright yellow uniforms. 'coughs in star trek security officers' Also, I didn’t realise that we’d Sherman's infinite variants have an actual name.
_"Only the man who discipline himself strictly can stand for long the terrific pace of modern war." - William Lyon Mackenzie King_ An unfortunately ignored part of the Dominion War, it is great to see such information of that degree of brutality such conflict would have being presented here. I look forward seeing more ground battles in future Battlespace videos. Shaka, when the walls (of Betazed) fell.
First of all, I must say that your art is always top notch, but this episode was really superb. That being said, it appears that Starfleet rediscovered the ancient lost technology of the Toyota technical and adapted it for the war.
Mass orbital bombardment is the sci-fi equivalent to today's nuclear weapons. Right after World War 2 it was assumed all conflicts would be decided solely with nuclear weapons, so therefore all you needed was just the Air Force to deliver the nukes. The Korean War showed very quickly the need for a strong conventional force, otherwise literally everything risks escalating from zero to sixty with no room for anything in between.
The dominion found Betazed was much tougher to hold as the telepathy of the native people made near instant communication possible and allowed resistance units planetwide to be very effective in coordinating their forces to do as much damage as possible. It helped that old style cloaking devices allowed us to send in armed attack ships which would be effective in both picking up and dropping off operatives and in providing supplies to the resistance
Very, cool. I like how you incorporated some of the artwork from the Star Trek Adventures ttrpg. It will be useful to help give my players the feel of being in the Dominion War.
Great insight on the tactics and strategies used on the dominion war. Especially loved the information on body armor, it wasn't the usual glamour of using shields.
I think Remans probably would have been some of the most effective ground troops of the war. Tough, strong, nocturnal warriors with nothing to lose. They also have a huge advantage over Jem'Hadar in that they're psychic, which means the Jem'Hadar shroud ability probably wouldn't be very useful against Reman units. Some are even capable of using their psionic abilities to heal others, which means the Romulans don't really need to give them medical supplies. They can be given disruptor rifles, a few grenades, some basic body armour and thrown at the Jem'Hadar and chances are they'll probably do alright. Using them as auxiliaries was a really smart idea by the Romulans.
VICTORY IS LIFE!!!!! I know it's been a super long time since you considered it and your opinions may have changed but I'm holding out hope we'll get to see some form of mechanized units! Otherwise, super excited to see how you go about doing a complete episode dedicated to this!
@@venomgeekmedia9886 not what I was expecting, but it still makes perfect sense. Having a little hovering death machine around the combat zone like the tactical shuttle is a perfect compromise for a tank-like vehicle in trek, since an actual tank might be too out-of-place. Probably easier for rapid deployment given just how FAST the dominion war was in terms of offensive action.
I asked last month, and I thought you said we would see ground vehicles. Given the length of this one, I'm hoping that is still in the plans. I would love to see tanks, Infantry Fighting Vehicles, and the Fast/Light Attack Vehicles of the other factions (aside from the Argo type LAV). Possibly modern versions of the photon mortar (Arena) and Phaser/Laser Cannon (The Cage).
I'd expect the Cardassians to have the greatest use of ground vehicles, followed by the Klingons as the two factions with the greatest experience in planetary operations and more to the point, planetary occupation. The Federation probably wouldn't have had any kind of ground combat vehicles at all in close to a hundred years at least and the Jem'Hadar ironically for even longer, since the Jem'Hadar's role for centuries has been one of "Peace Keeping" and patrol, which is also why their fleet is made up of so few classes of ship.
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.” George S. Patton
The Optic/Scope on the Federation rifle looks like a Runabout model. Wouldn't be surprised if the prop department took a model of the runabout and slapped it on the rifle 🤣
Venom.... Venom.... Truly Wonderful.... Thank You P.S. The Galaxy Class has an anti-matter accumulator on one of the decks.... but if I remember correctly, it takes forever to gather a small amount. They installed it as an emergency measure.
Have to say that was a brilliant awesome, visually stunning and intriguing complex run down of infantry fighting during the dominion war and hope it is the first of many as reman shock ttooop fights, battle at ar 558 and other infantry engagements deserved their due and need telling during this fabulous series.
Great video about how infantry warfare is fought in Star Trek universe with the use of their version of troop dropships and tactics with the use of transporters when there is a chance to use them.
23:12-23:27 Well, the space forces ALSO faced the true reality of 24th century warfare. But some of the aspects of that reality were different for them compared to the ones faced by the ground forces.
Nice video. But I think you overlooked the fact that the reason Jem'Hadar don't need armor is because they have the ability to cloak their entire body. A Jem'Hadar can be grown in just 3 days, and they can cloak themselves. So using armor isn't necessary when you use an overwhelming amount of disposable stealth troops that you can grow.
Hey I make a small request on your last Battlespace episode but you likely didnt see it so if I may repeat myself. For future dominion war episodes is that you add in other species cause I find it hard to believe that only the federation, Klingon and later Romulan's fought the Dominion, there had to be at lest one smaller race that made small contributions to ether side.
Ferengi provided economic support. While the Son's produced White, likely in exchange for starships. And the Orions intended to be a fifth column for the invaders
Well, the Ferengi no doubt sold weapons and war materials to whoever paid them. In one episode, Quark and a cadre of Ferengi started a rescue mission to save Quark's mom, after the Dominion kidnapped her. Considering Quark's mom was dating the Grand Nagus at the time, I can see the Ferengi turning to more of an exclusive deal with the Allies after that. Other than that? Eh. I suppose the Bajoran militia may have gotten involved in some border skirmishes near the Cardassian border? That's about it, since most of the other Alpha Quadrant powers signed a nonagression pact with the Dominion early in the conflict. They specifically list the Romulans, Miradorn, and Tholians amid the neutral parties. Maybe the Gorn? They weren't listed and if they felt their territory was threatened, they're known to respond aggressively.
@@lynngreen7978 yes and i believe after insurrection the sona wete at war with the federation, and the federation started intercepting the white convoys and attacked the factory's, i remember whyhon telling demar to send more ships to protect the sona .( around the Breen negotiations or alliance period)
Very fun watch here! Also sort of interested - neither side really seemed to use ground vehicles at all or anything beyond small arms. were they not useful in war like this? No one uses tanks, mortars, armored units.. Or is it as most things are dealtw tih by air support, entrenched guns are capable of taking out most things with ease, and weapons are too heavy for armor to hold up against? or are those generally usedin followup waves for an extended campaign or for defense but not massively used for troops?
Yeah more so the latter. You bring armor in at the 2nd stage where you basically have to bulldoze your way through and persuade the enemy that the planet is lost.
What a time we live in. I read a paper from the Air Force that was a master's thesis from a space force officer talking about stuff like this If The hard work were to exist in the future
"War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse." "There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander."
Given the last episode of Strange New Worlds, facing a Gorn regiment among Klingons in your city now feels terrifying (though I think they went a bit over the top on their Xenomorph-style penchant for flesh.)
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Like a reptilian version of cats, and with the agility of a cat, but with many more sharp teeth, however they were explicitly very young Gorn, not adults in the episode. One interesting thing they established was the Gorn verbally communicate only the most basic of language. For complex communication they use extremely rapid light pulses, like what goes through a fibre optic cable, which they can decipher quickly with their compound eyes.
STW, has pretty much turned the Gorn into Xenomorphs, with them implanting their young into live hosts and having them burst out of them to grow super fast
I know that people take issue with the state of the Federation in general and Starfleet in particular, in Picard, but considering that the admirals and Captains in that show were the ensigns and lieutenants who fought in the Domonion war and watched thousands of their shipmates die in a war the Federation was in no way prepared for. War changes people. Especially those on the sharp end of the spear.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The closest analogy would be how the American people became virulently isolationist after the massive death toll of World War I . FDR had to walk a very fine line in his support for Britain right up until December 7th, 1941.
I noticed that you differentuated Starfleet Marines and "standard infantrymen" i guess it makes sense that the Federation would have an Army. Planets are big, andvthey would also havevthe bodies and equipment for mass planetary disasters during peacetime
We are the wings of the Federation. We are union builders, concensus builders, we have fought hard against Romulus, Q'onos, and myriad powers among the stars, always victorious. The sight of our alabsaster hulled starships on any horizon brings protection, joy, and knowledge beyond reproach. We remain galvanized and unfettered. Our cause is just, our firmament is unassailable. We are the left and right arms of the UFP. We are the Starfleet. Ad Astra Per Aspera. We go boldly.
The Enterprise D has a Quantum Charge Reversal Device, which can convert deuterium into anti-deuterium-, in tiny amounts. [According to the TNG Technical Manual]
Star ships don't really worry that much in the short term about Dilithium , its not a fuel its a focusing matrix for anti matter, crystals need to replaced but not frequently, the importance of it is more to do with building new ships and warp cores.
True but that is a deep space explorer not all ships will have such facilities. Also anti matter generation still rely on obtaining deteruim which is difficult when in a fleet
@@venomgeekmedia9886 oh definitely. Probably 90 plus percent of ships are not capableof it , the number of galaxy class or similar ships are rare . But an intrepid class for example was supposed to have 3 years worth of fuel. ( or consumable resources)
@@shanenolan8252 That's probably 3 years of fuel and consumables under peace time operations, not under the much faster and harder operations tempo of an active war
I don't understand where the energy comes from. Deuterium alone does not provide energy. It's the same reason why cars can run on hydrogen but not on water. Water is at a low state of energy (not sure what the correct English wording is).
I honestly wish we saw more ground vehicles in star trek. I'm surprised there's no federation APC that has some sort of dedicated Boosted Transporter, or a field supply vehicle that is just a Replicator on wheels or anti-grav. Just having infantry battles is cheap from a budget perspective, but overall boring and rather one-note, especially considering the limited weaponry of the sides involved. We rarely see stuff like artillery, squad support weapons, or long-range sniper or marksman rifles. I also think it would be cool to see some sort of Federation personal armor that has Ablative plating integrated into it, or some sort of holo-projector gear to provide protection.
Just a thought, how is an army numbered in the thousands take a planet? It would millions just to take some well defended islands let alone a continent much less a planet.
When you talk about federation and landing troops I don’t see anything about the intrepid class. She has the ability to land deposit forces while given close ground support as a starship. The ability to bring type 10 phaser arrays along 47 type 6 photon torpedos close in must have been devastating for any enemy ground commander. Imagine see a frigate class star ship baring down on your position. Plus it could easily carry a company of marines equipment and more. It seems like a great assault ship.
You know, since we see them wear great jackets in later battles, I wonder if it offers a similar level of protection as the one suite one. Also, there was one thing I never understood that with replicators, why didn't Starfleet replace all of the older Type III Phaser Rifle with the Type-III Phaser Rifle and Compression Rifle we see on Enterprise-E and Voyager. Using replicators to recycle the older models for the more advance and more powerful one. I could only think of two in-universe explanations. One is due to preferences. Where commanders that prefer the older model kept them for their infantry for they offer some advantages over the newer model. I can sort of see that as possible if the weapon required less maintenance, and the Compression Rifle only had a bolt mod, which means an arguably less versatile weapon may not have a wide beam setting to take out large groups in one shot or a higher continuous fire rate to take down heavily armored targets. But there is the Type III we see Janeway use that is obviously the more durable upgrade, which means it probably requires less maintenance, and the Cropmession Rifle had a beam setting as seen in Voyager. Not to mention that the Enterprise-E had them everywhere and could give the entire crew a compression rifle, which could mean the weapon was not maintenance-intensive if they can keep that many on a Starship. The other is that the less important units or far-reaching outposts still used the older ones for Starfleet gave priority to their more important and vital ones, and to prevent the enemy from getting their hands on the more advanced versions as long as possible as they were somehow game-changers. Maybe had a higher recharge rate or more powerful per shot. But I don't see Starfleet is too callous with the lives of their people to not give everyone the best equipment they could. Especially with the technology and resources the Federation had and enjoyed using on a daily bases, and with how widespread the war is, the enemy would have gotten samples early in the war during early victories. As you can guess, neither explanation is satisfactory as stated so I am just going to assume it was a budgetary issue and the DS9 could not use the weapons used by the Voyager and TNG movie cast due to politics since Rick Burman supposedly hated DS9 and gave it minimal support.
In season 3 of the DS9 episode Civil Defense, we see a DS9 replicator replicating a phaser weapon that held everyone as hostages at the CIC. So I assume a replicator can with the required energy and material.
You didn’t a decent job trying to retcon Star Trek glaring oversights in realistic ground combat. I mean seriously, the Starfleet Marine uniform has to be the least practical combat uniform in Sci-Fi history. At least Enterprise’s MACO uniform attempted to look both military and futuristic. Budgetary constraints probably didn’t allow for more detailed, mission specific uniforms. But no helmets, personal first aid kits, night vision, nothing.
Yeah helmets aren't really a thing. In fairness it's not just trek you see it in a lot of history shows. The main characters don't wear helmets either.
Antimatter??? I'm assuming you mean anti deuterium. And on long range missions they would usually try 2 find a planet with heavy water then replenish their supplies by refining it into deuterium
What would be the feasibility of employing millions of troops on each planet similar to how nations on earth keep vast amounts of soldiers in their military. There would definitely be enough infrastructure equipment and supplies to sustain a force of many million defending of worlds numbering less then 15 million. Is this because of the low population density on the average feduration world. or the lack of necessity
So you could have a large planetary defence force drawn from your population. However once the enemy has secured control of the system. And demonstrated the ability to successfully land troops on the planet. Resistance becomes pointless because you only have the troops on the planet while the attacker can concentrate far greater numbers and overwhelm the planet eventually.
I'm more of a Star Wars, 40k fan so I have a question. No one has tanks, power armor, walkers of any kind, personal shielding or ground transports? What happens if you have to move quickly but no one has air superiority? Do the Federation guys even get a knife?
Tanks can be deployed but generally in that 2nd wave most of their duties can be carried out by armoured shuttlecraft. Why have walkers when you have repulsor-craft. Hoppers as well as shuttles can be used for transportation. Federation marines would get a combat knife
If you can land a shuttle with personal on a planet you could probably land a shuttle with a range of weapons and technology designed to ruin the local environment. Mine the system then let them starve. If they surrender, refuse and use them as an example to those thinking of resisting. I think planetary sieges aren't really used properly because they would be boring AF.
Funnily enough that was a scenario I was discussing with my members. And we concluded that if strongly fortified enough the planet or citadel would be condemned to a seige.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 that's awesome, did you guys discuss planetary siege tactics such as starving a planet of solar energy and... Actually how do I become a member and where do I find these discussions?
Fast as the wind, the invasion has begun
Shaking the ground with the force of a thousand polarons
First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Gunships leading the way
Leading the way
Charging the lines with the force of a furious storm
Fast as the lighting phantoms swarm
On the planet at nightfall
Taken within a day
Thus earning their name
Earning the fame
They are the Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
Always ahead, as the blitzkrieg rages on
Breaking morale with the the sound of blazing guns
First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Tanks leading the way
Leading the way
Leaving a trail of destruction to a foreign land
Massive assault made to serve the Founder's plan
Communication's broken
Reinforcements are far away
Thus earning their name
Earning the fame
They are the Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
Pushing the frontline forth with a tremendous force
Breaching the way for Jem'hadar corps
First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Gunships leading the way
Claiming the fame
They are the Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
Dominion elite, born to compete, never retreat
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
This is ghost division sabaton but a parody
“Testuda” armor, no doubt named for Cardassia’s indigenous spoon-shelled amphibians.
I like what you did there; glad to see Latin isn’t dead. These videos are brilliant and they absolutely make my day when you upload them.
agreed on both counts lol
Urban fighting against an endless hoard that has no sense of self preservation must have been awful. The Starfleet marines are the only force however that we see employ ground vehicles that can quickly be loaded off a dropship; that would give them an enormous advantage in the open country where they could be extremely mobile with dozens of variants of the Argo ground vehicle like the ww2 Sherman 'uglies' for which a Sherman tank existed for every occasion. Federation troops seem the worst equipped for urban fighting however, their uniforms don't even provide camo and their weapons are sub optimal.
An amazing take on an underappreciated part of sci-fi where the most brutal of fighting happens. Truly stellar
Or hobarts funnies in the UK
In fairness no one's really worrying about camo and in an urban setting its often a bit of a waste of time.
Starfleet spec ops did what it could. About 2 years into the war ( before hostilities commenced formally) I was the Admiral in charge of SFC spec ops. I turned over command to Starfleet formally when my duties as admiral of task force ghost began to eat up too much of my time.,
@Venom Geek Media 98 I suppose that camo doesn't really matter as long as your aren't wearing bright yellow uniforms. 'coughs in star trek security officers'
Also, I didn’t realise that we’d Sherman's infinite variants have an actual name.
@@ISAF_Ace or just yellow arm bands to distinguish you from the enemy... that's modern war for you.
_"Only the man who discipline himself strictly can stand for long the terrific pace of modern war." - William Lyon Mackenzie King_
An unfortunately ignored part of the Dominion War, it is great to see such information of that degree of brutality such conflict would have being presented here. I look forward seeing more ground battles in future Battlespace videos.
Shaka, when the walls (of Betazed) fell.
7:04 Rogue One shield station with Klingon battlecruises
Now that we have a ground battle video, when do we get "Siege of AR-558?"
We haven't even seen the Liberation of Betazed yet
First of all, I must say that your art is always top notch, but this episode was really superb.
That being said, it appears that Starfleet rediscovered the ancient lost technology of the Toyota technical and adapted it for the war.
Mass orbital bombardment is the sci-fi equivalent to today's nuclear weapons. Right after World War 2 it was assumed all conflicts would be decided solely with nuclear weapons, so therefore all you needed was just the Air Force to deliver the nukes. The Korean War showed very quickly the need for a strong conventional force, otherwise literally everything risks escalating from zero to sixty with no room for anything in between.
Well the Batazeds didn't know what hit em. Great video and great world building VG
The dominion found Betazed was much tougher to hold as the telepathy of the native people made near instant communication possible and allowed resistance units planetwide to be very effective in coordinating their forces to do as much damage as possible. It helped that old style cloaking devices allowed us to send in armed attack ships which would be effective in both picking up and dropping off operatives and in providing supplies to the resistance
@@matthewcaughey8898 Not to mention that Lwaxana Troi annoyed the occupationonal governor to the point of distraction
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Big shoutout to Ryselle Chan for creating the beautiful cardassian Regnar www.deviantart.com/ryselle-chan
Very, cool. I like how you incorporated some of the artwork from the Star Trek Adventures ttrpg. It will be useful to help give my players the feel of being in the Dominion War.
Great insight on the tactics and strategies used on the dominion war. Especially loved the information on body armor, it wasn't the usual glamour of using shields.
Yeah I'm fine with that for STO but body armour is much more interesting and varied.
I think Remans probably would have been some of the most effective ground troops of the war. Tough, strong, nocturnal warriors with nothing to lose. They also have a huge advantage over Jem'Hadar in that they're psychic, which means the Jem'Hadar shroud ability probably wouldn't be very useful against Reman units. Some are even capable of using their psionic abilities to heal others, which means the Romulans don't really need to give them medical supplies. They can be given disruptor rifles, a few grenades, some basic body armour and thrown at the Jem'Hadar and chances are they'll probably do alright.
Using them as auxiliaries was a really smart idea by the Romulans.
Cheers. Been looking forward to this. I haven't had time .
VICTORY IS LIFE!!!!!
I know it's been a super long time since you considered it and your opinions may have changed but I'm holding out hope we'll get to see some form of mechanized units! Otherwise, super excited to see how you go about doing a complete episode dedicated to this!
I hope your expectations were satisfied.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 not what I was expecting, but it still makes perfect sense. Having a little hovering death machine around the combat zone like the tactical shuttle is a perfect compromise for a tank-like vehicle in trek, since an actual tank might be too out-of-place. Probably easier for rapid deployment given just how FAST the dominion war was in terms of offensive action.
@@geekiusmaximus1882 yeah the main goal of planetary assaults is to carry them out as swiftly as possibly with as minimal heavy equipment as possible.
Wow now that is one hell of a battle back down
it will be...
I asked last month, and I thought you said we would see ground vehicles. Given the length of this one, I'm hoping that is still in the plans.
I would love to see tanks, Infantry Fighting Vehicles, and the Fast/Light Attack Vehicles of the other factions (aside from the Argo type LAV).
Possibly modern versions of the photon mortar (Arena) and Phaser/Laser Cannon (The Cage).
I'd expect the Cardassians to have the greatest use of ground vehicles, followed by the Klingons as the two factions with the greatest experience in planetary operations and more to the point, planetary occupation. The Federation probably wouldn't have had any kind of ground combat vehicles at all in close to a hundred years at least and the Jem'Hadar ironically for even longer, since the Jem'Hadar's role for centuries has been one of "Peace Keeping" and patrol, which is also why their fleet is made up of so few classes of ship.
@@weldonwin Actually we have seen a Fed LAV, the Argo.
@@lynngreen7978 the argo is lacking I'm the A part. But you could definitely fit other kinds of vehicles in.
@@weldonwin I imagine cardie vehicles to be tri-pod walkers
@@lynngreen7978 The Argo is more of a SRV, which just happened so have a single phaser cannon installed for defence
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”
George S. Patton
'I'm grateful for your concern Number One. But honestly, I've been itching to try the Argo.'
Well done. Thank you, definitely one of your best.
I felt my trigger finger twitching. Well done.
The way you take a throwaway line from deep space nine and turn it into modern ground warfare amazing
Glad to finally catch the premiere showing of one of your videos. Always a pleasure to assist with them how the 4th Combined Fleet can. Great video.
Thanks for your help with the mantis
The Optic/Scope on the Federation rifle looks like a Runabout model. Wouldn't be surprised if the prop department took a model of the runabout and slapped it on the rifle 🤣
Venom.... Venom.... Truly Wonderful.... Thank You
P.S. The Galaxy Class has an anti-matter accumulator on one of the decks.... but if I remember correctly, it takes forever to gather a small amount. They installed it as an emergency measure.
A wonderfully solid interpretation of ground assault in Star Trek!
Have to say that was a brilliant awesome, visually stunning and intriguing complex run down of infantry fighting during the dominion war and hope it is the first of many as reman shock ttooop fights, battle at ar 558 and other infantry engagements deserved their due and need telling during this fabulous series.
Glad you enjoyed
@@venomgeekmedia9886 You're very welcome. As it is so rare to see an indepth look at ground warfare during the dominion war.
This is excellent
your only just getting to this one?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I watched it in premier but I just watched it again and realized it was great.
@@philiptai233 right up your street im sure
That was brilliant.
Bravo! Bravo! Author! Author!
Great video about how infantry warfare is fought in Star Trek universe with the use of their version of troop dropships and tactics with the use of transporters when there is a chance to use them.
yeah transporters are extremely powerful. which is why everyone makes sure to counter them.
I watch a lot of your videos but this one it's spectacular
23:12-23:27 Well, the space forces ALSO faced the true reality of 24th century warfare. But some of the aspects of that reality were different for them compared to the ones faced by the ground forces.
Excellent
Oh good.
I was on the verge of withdrawal symptoms.
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I am suffering from withdrawal the moment the pervious episode ended
The Federation phaser rifle really was a marvel of Federation engineering......battery pack retention latch tended to be a bit weak, though
Nice video. But I think you overlooked the fact that the reason Jem'Hadar don't need armor is because they have the ability to cloak their entire body.
A Jem'Hadar can be grown in just 3 days, and they can cloak themselves. So using armor isn't necessary when you use an overwhelming amount of disposable stealth troops that you can grow.
Yeah although shrouding isn't used as often as we'd think.
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6:05 our content creator would conduct orbital bombardments in a video game without hesitation, regardless of what he is saying
Great work as always.
Impressive. Great video!
Hey I make a small request on your last Battlespace episode but you likely didnt see it so if I may repeat myself. For future dominion war episodes is that you add in other species cause I find it hard to believe that only the federation, Klingon and later Romulan's fought the Dominion, there had to be at lest one smaller race that made small contributions to ether side.
Like the Ferengi and the Tholians?! WTF did the Dominion have planed for them?! Lol interesting stuff
Ferengi provided economic support. While the Son's produced White, likely in exchange for starships.
And the Orions intended to be a fifth column for the invaders
Well, the Ferengi no doubt sold weapons and war materials to whoever paid them. In one episode, Quark and a cadre of Ferengi started a rescue mission to save Quark's mom, after the Dominion kidnapped her. Considering Quark's mom was dating the Grand Nagus at the time, I can see the Ferengi turning to more of an exclusive deal with the Allies after that.
Other than that? Eh. I suppose the Bajoran militia may have gotten involved in some border skirmishes near the Cardassian border? That's about it, since most of the other Alpha Quadrant powers signed a nonagression pact with the Dominion early in the conflict. They specifically list the Romulans, Miradorn, and Tholians amid the neutral parties.
Maybe the Gorn? They weren't listed and if they felt their territory was threatened, they're known to respond aggressively.
@@lynngreen7978 yes and i believe after insurrection the sona wete at war with the federation, and the federation started intercepting the white convoys and attacked the factory's, i remember whyhon telling demar to send more ships to protect the sona .( around the Breen negotiations or alliance period)
I believe the thoilians declared neutrality and just shot down who ever breached their space... like always. Might be mistaken though
Very fun watch here! Also sort of interested - neither side really seemed to use ground vehicles at all or anything beyond small arms. were they not useful in war like this? No one uses tanks, mortars, armored units.. Or is it as most things are dealtw tih by air support, entrenched guns are capable of taking out most things with ease, and weapons are too heavy for armor to hold up against?
or are those generally usedin followup waves for an extended campaign or for defense but not massively used for troops?
Yeah more so the latter. You bring armor in at the 2nd stage where you basically have to bulldoze your way through and persuade the enemy that the planet is lost.
What a time we live in. I read a paper from the Air Force that was a master's thesis from a space force officer talking about stuff like this If The hard work were to exist in the future
What's the track that begins at around 22:33?
10:26 Oh, no! The Cardassians are invading Lothal! 🤣
Ground based Warfare is Hell, maybe worse than Hell for some.
"War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse."
"There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander."
Given the last episode of Strange New Worlds, facing a Gorn regiment among Klingons in your city now feels terrifying (though I think they went a bit over the top on their Xenomorph-style penchant for flesh.)
What did they look like.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Like a reptilian version of cats, and with the agility of a cat, but with many more sharp teeth, however they were explicitly very young Gorn, not adults in the episode. One interesting thing they established was the Gorn verbally communicate only the most basic of language. For complex communication they use extremely rapid light pulses, like what goes through a fibre optic cable, which they can decipher quickly with their compound eyes.
STW, has pretty much turned the Gorn into Xenomorphs, with them implanting their young into live hosts and having them burst out of them to grow super fast
I know that people take issue with the state of the Federation in general and Starfleet in particular, in Picard, but considering that the admirals and Captains in that show were the ensigns and lieutenants who fought in the Domonion war and watched thousands of their shipmates die in a war the Federation was in no way prepared for.
War changes people. Especially those on the sharp end of the spear.
Yeah it might be a little overdone. But it does fit with a post dominion war federation
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The closest analogy would be how the American people became virulently isolationist after the massive death toll of World War I .
FDR had to walk a very fine line in his support for Britain right up until December 7th, 1941.
I noticed that you differentuated Starfleet Marines and "standard infantrymen" i guess it makes sense that the Federation would have an Army. Planets are big, andvthey would also havevthe bodies and equipment for mass planetary disasters during peacetime
Fascinating. How would the situation on Betazed have been resolved at the end of the war, do you think? At lot of bad guys dug in there.
No matter what, to win a war, you need some good infantryman to get dirty.
We are the wings of the Federation. We are union builders, concensus builders, we have fought hard against Romulus, Q'onos, and myriad powers among the stars, always victorious. The sight of our alabsaster hulled starships on any horizon brings protection, joy, and knowledge beyond reproach. We remain galvanized and unfettered. Our cause is just, our firmament is unassailable. We are the left and right arms of the UFP. We are the Starfleet. Ad Astra Per Aspera. We go boldly.
The Enterprise D has a Quantum Charge Reversal Device, which can convert deuterium into anti-deuterium-, in tiny amounts. [According to the TNG Technical Manual]
I am confused what happened To the dilithium crystals😮
Star ships don't really worry that much in the short term about Dilithium , its not a fuel its a focusing matrix for anti matter, crystals need to replaced but not frequently, the importance of it is more to do with building new ships and warp cores.
Duterium yes but galaxy class vessels had anti matter ( generators or the ability to produce their own at need and to resupply other smaller vessels)
True but that is a deep space explorer not all ships will have such facilities. Also anti matter generation still rely on obtaining deteruim which is difficult when in a fleet
@@venomgeekmedia9886 oh definitely. Probably 90 plus percent of ships are not capableof it , the number of galaxy class or similar ships are rare . But an intrepid class for example was supposed to have 3 years worth of fuel. ( or consumable resources)
@@shanenolan8252 That's probably 3 years of fuel and consumables under peace time operations, not under the much faster and harder operations tempo of an active war
I don't understand where the energy comes from. Deuterium alone does not provide energy. It's the same reason why cars can run on hydrogen but not on water. Water is at a low state of energy (not sure what the correct English wording is).
I honestly wish we saw more ground vehicles in star trek. I'm surprised there's no federation APC that has some sort of dedicated Boosted Transporter, or a field supply vehicle that is just a Replicator on wheels or anti-grav.
Just having infantry battles is cheap from a budget perspective, but overall boring and rather one-note, especially considering the limited weaponry of the sides involved. We rarely see stuff like artillery, squad support weapons, or long-range sniper or marksman rifles.
I also think it would be cool to see some sort of Federation personal armor that has Ablative plating integrated into it, or some sort of holo-projector gear to provide protection.
Forget phaser rifles because, ALL FALL TO HARDBALL!!! As the Borg learned in First Contact.
Just a thought, how is an army numbered in the thousands take a planet? It would millions just to take some well defended islands let alone a continent much less a planet.
When you talk about federation and landing troops I don’t see anything about the intrepid class. She has the ability to land deposit forces while given close ground support as a starship. The ability to bring type 10 phaser arrays along 47 type 6 photon torpedos close in must have been devastating for any enemy ground commander. Imagine see a frigate class star ship baring down on your position. Plus it could easily carry a company of marines equipment and more. It seems like a great assault ship.
30k troops to take a world, and a capital of a spacefaring species at that. Someone's taking a piss...
Are their any tanks in Star Trek
Is it considered a war crime to transport enemy ground units into the vacuum of space?
yes because you give them no chance to surrender
You know, since we see them wear great jackets in later battles, I wonder if it offers a similar level of protection as the one suite one.
Also, there was one thing I never understood that with replicators, why didn't Starfleet replace all of the older Type III Phaser Rifle with the Type-III Phaser Rifle and Compression Rifle we see on Enterprise-E and Voyager. Using replicators to recycle the older models for the more advance and more powerful one.
I could only think of two in-universe explanations.
One is due to preferences. Where commanders that prefer the older model kept them for their infantry for they offer some advantages over the newer model. I can sort of see that as possible if the weapon required less maintenance, and the Compression Rifle only had a bolt mod, which means an arguably less versatile weapon may not have a wide beam setting to take out large groups in one shot or a higher continuous fire rate to take down heavily armored targets. But there is the Type III we see Janeway use that is obviously the more durable upgrade, which means it probably requires less maintenance, and the Cropmession Rifle had a beam setting as seen in Voyager. Not to mention that the Enterprise-E had them everywhere and could give the entire crew a compression rifle, which could mean the weapon was not maintenance-intensive if they can keep that many on a Starship.
The other is that the less important units or far-reaching outposts still used the older ones for Starfleet gave priority to their more important and vital ones, and to prevent the enemy from getting their hands on the more advanced versions as long as possible as they were somehow game-changers. Maybe had a higher recharge rate or more powerful per shot. But I don't see Starfleet is too callous with the lives of their people to not give everyone the best equipment they could. Especially with the technology and resources the Federation had and enjoyed using on a daily bases, and with how widespread the war is, the enemy would have gotten samples early in the war during early victories.
As you can guess, neither explanation is satisfactory as stated so I am just going to assume it was a budgetary issue and the DS9 could not use the weapons used by the Voyager and TNG movie cast due to politics since Rick Burman supposedly hated DS9 and gave it minimal support.
Yeah I don't think a phaser rifle is a thing that can be replicated
In season 3 of the DS9 episode Civil Defense, we see a DS9 replicator replicating a phaser weapon that held everyone as hostages at the CIC. So I assume a replicator can with the required energy and material.
The Romulans had the Remans to back fill their ground troops.
You didn’t a decent job trying to retcon Star Trek glaring oversights in realistic ground combat. I mean seriously, the Starfleet Marine uniform has to be the least practical combat uniform in Sci-Fi history. At least Enterprise’s MACO uniform attempted to look both military and futuristic. Budgetary constraints probably didn’t allow for more detailed, mission specific uniforms. But no helmets, personal first aid kits, night vision, nothing.
Yeah helmets aren't really a thing. In fairness it's not just trek you see it in a lot of history shows. The main characters don't wear helmets either.
Antimatter??? I'm assuming you mean anti deuterium. And on long range missions they would usually try 2 find a planet with heavy water then replenish their supplies by refining it into deuterium
Still involves capturing a planet surface
Why do you say Kzinti that way? Ka- Zin- Tee. The Man-Kzin Wars.
What would be the feasibility of employing millions of troops on each planet similar to how nations on earth keep vast amounts of soldiers in their military. There would definitely be enough infrastructure equipment and supplies to sustain a force of many million defending of worlds numbering less then 15 million. Is this because of the low population density on the average feduration world. or the lack of necessity
So you could have a large planetary defence force drawn from your population. However once the enemy has secured control of the system. And demonstrated the ability to successfully land troops on the planet. Resistance becomes pointless because you only have the troops on the planet while the attacker can concentrate far greater numbers and overwhelm the planet eventually.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 So basically kinda like air superiority?
The music is a little intense and distracting
I'm more of a Star Wars, 40k fan so I have a question. No one has tanks, power armor, walkers of any kind, personal shielding or ground transports?
What happens if you have to move quickly but no one has air superiority?
Do the Federation guys even get a knife?
Tanks can be deployed but generally in that 2nd wave most of their duties can be carried out by armoured shuttlecraft. Why have walkers when you have repulsor-craft. Hoppers as well as shuttles can be used for transportation. Federation marines would get a combat knife
@@venomgeekmedia9886 still seems like a big gap to me, but cheers.
Thanks for responding!
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I say make the Federation marine get some kind of energy knife. Maybe like a stun baton?
And yet the Dominion lost....
If you can land a shuttle with personal on a planet you could probably land a shuttle with a range of weapons and technology designed to ruin the local environment.
Mine the system then let them starve.
If they surrender, refuse and use them as an example to those thinking of resisting.
I think planetary sieges aren't really used properly because they would be boring AF.
Funnily enough that was a scenario I was discussing with my members. And we concluded that if strongly fortified enough the planet or citadel would be condemned to a seige.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 that's awesome, did you guys discuss planetary siege tactics such as starving a planet of solar energy and... Actually how do I become a member and where do I find these discussions?
@@mrguppys761 click the join button all channel members have access to our discord.