"The Fall of Septimus 3" Battlespace: The Dominion War
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- Continuing our Apocalypse series we look at the Tragic fall of Septimus 3. in just a few short hours a resounding klingon victory degenerates into a brutal massacre of the defeated cardassian soldiers, and the civillians caught in between. Many seemingly insignificant decisions made by allied officers would add up to a complete breakdown in disipline, an demonstrate the true horror of what a klingon invasion can look like.
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Why does the Vor'cha use a D-7 engine?
There's a question of where the KDF's authority ends and the house's authority begins. How does Klingon C&C Work?
@@Mr_Sovik Lazerpig is that you?
Are the all female Klingons based off of Night Bomber Regiment 588?
Hay you should seriously consider doing a podcast . You have a great voice and amazing writing skills brotha!
"in war, there's nothing more honourable than victory"-Worf
Qapla
He wasn't wrong.
It was so honorable to point where the Klingon Empire put him on trial for achieving victory in a battle against the Klingons.
Equally, that honour can be thrown away and indeed reversed if one is not gracious in that victory.
Back in my day, Klingons only needed one D7-class battlecruiser to take over a planet like Organia.
Father I've been assigned to one of the new Vorchas!
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That's a damn gimmick sonny...
@@venomgeekmedia9886😂 lol
Back in my day they still used lasers lmao
@@venomgeekmedia9886I'd love a little meme about the "It's damn gimmick son" for federation gears.
Back in my day. The mere rumor a D7 was in the sector. Meant Starfleet withdrew from the area. The lesser species hiding between thier nacells as the fled in terror.
"They were looking for one person so they attacked everyone... What's the problem here?" - Ben Sisko
Lol. Even Worf and Kira were shocked. You don’t fuck with the Sisko even Q learned that.
-quietly chews on the scenery-
A rare Drachinifel is spotted.
Just over a minute in, and we already have a war crime. It's going to be a good video.
Your ability to weave actual info from the show and then elaborate on it is exquisite. It was only part way through I remembered that little bit between Weyoun and Damar. One of the seeds of Damar's rebellion against the Dominion.
_"Only the man who disciplines himself strictly can stand for long the terrific pace of modern war. - William Lyons MacKenzie King"_
This was indeed quite the brutal & gruesome showing. The horrors on both sides of the conflict.
Though Septimus 3 is only a forewarning of what the Dominion War will lead to before it's end.
Also, kudos to the works of all the voice actors.
Say what you would like about the Klingons. Historically, They're supremely talented at two things: Waging war against enemies who can easily surpass the firepower of their warships, oftentimes winning through sheer aggression, superior tactics and greater numbers. And holding the territories that they've conquered. In a lot of ways, they remind me of a space borne Mongol Empire.
Initially that was their main inspiration iirc.
Harrowing. Brilliantly written, acted and edited. We know the stuff Starfleet did and we know what the Klingons did when they were fighting Starfleet but despite showing Worf capable of this bloodlust we never see allied Klingons of the side of Starfleet culpable in this kind of horror. Very believable.
Brilliant if gut wrenching Video VGM.
I would have liked Brigadier M'Tau to have also quoted " The Humans have an ancient saying and that is "" War is Hell!""....As a Klingon i never really understood that saying.....until Septimus 3"
I find it hard to summon much sympathy for the cardiasians.
They're basically space North Koreans. But instead of the people worshiping the equivalent of the Kim family the Carddies worship the state/government/order. Federation is what can we do for you? The Cardassians are what can you do for us?
Unfortunately this was not an uncommon sentiment
Cardies did no less to bajorans, this is akin to soviet treatment of East Germany in wwii or the German treatment of occupied Italy. Civility during war is wishful thinking
One wonders how much sympathy the average cardiasian had for the bajorians during the occupation. Also the cardiasians had spent how many years annoying every power in the quadrant?
@@MrGunlover12didn't they have a dialog with the Romulans? Not allies but didn't the Tal'shiar & Obsidian Order share some information?
Was not expecting a Battlespace Episode set during the Federation-Klingon War of 2370's. I thought it was going to be about the Klingon-Cardassian War of 2370's. I was already planning on seeing it, but now I'm eager.
on the contrary this is during the dominion war
@@venomgeekmedia9886still it would be cool to have one during the Klingon-Federation war and f the 2370’s
'Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won.' - Arthur Wellesly, Duke of Wellington.
The Klingons learned that day the danger of putting raw recruits into a battleground saturated with civilian targets. Recruits who've seen nothing but the propaganda of the enemy will see nothing but the enemy among their population.
FTR, that's a Canadian-English Accent....
Stunning video. Really shows the quality of a professional officer corps. Without discipline, even the "honourable" Klingon Warrior becomes a bloodthirsty killer. And the music. My god. You are always on point with the music but I was blown away here. Outstanding work.
Got real 1812 Siege of Badajoz vibes from the Klingons just letting loose the moment the "fight" was over...
Peninsular war I presume. I'll have to look that one up.
It is a good way of showing the issues with the Klingons having a small standing army, and a massive military in the great houses.
Martok would have to be careful
In dealing with that after the war since he was also not an Academy graduate, but a battlefield promotion.
Wonderful voice work, everyone.
I would like to add that the Federation medical transports were spotting a white and red livery, and it was against interstellar law to attack them, even in times of war.
"Doesn't the Federation know that painting them in red just makes them great targets? I for one am more than happy to educate them!"
The Federation might have forgiven Sobragg, but the Klingons never would.
Another great video dealing with a very somber and horrific awful bloodbath of a battle.
Yet it was a battle with a game changing in respect of the wilder was as the dominions callous abandonment of the 11 order proved how horrifically cavalier they would be with Cardassian lives as nothing more than cannon folder, causing the spark of rebellion to burn within damar.
I like the look of the Centuar class
This channel is a rare gem for Star Trek fans. Well thought-out, authentic in intention, and high in quality.
'fuck em, no prisoners - general patton'
Some of the artwork here is gorgeous
Blind man's bluff is always fun
oh boy i hope nothing bad happens....
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Bravo Bravo this is war this is the stuff the TOS Federation fear and felt
In a sense I think about when Demar had cold water of words toss in his face as well
D10's! 'bout time they got those out of mothball
This is gonna be EPIC!!
Wow, this was amazingly well done - and horrifying to contemplate. And Martok using things for political leverage is yet another necessary evil - or so one might call it.
And the Federation is also guilty at some level - at least of indifference by letting these be prosecuted internally by the Klingons. War is always a matter of failures and compromises of so many levels, but I can't think that this is among the worst enabled (or at least tolerated) parts of the Federation Coalition. The intelligence operation that brought the Romulans into the war had but a few small incidental casualties and arguably was one of the main things that saved the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. The disease wrought on hte Founders by Section 31 was done by a secret intelligence agency - and then sanctioned by the Federation Council.
It's a crime on par with the Founder's virus - and worse because it served no true 'higher' purpose as one might justify or define it. Leaving the Klingons to tend to thier own house is as shameful a lapse as almost anything else done over the conflict. And the breakdown in communications that had the reports being sent to Klingon High Command and the theatre commander of the operations but never shared with the Starfleet forces on blockade duty or from Chin'toka itself makes one have to wonder if unoffiically.. That indifference was high enough to have said reports but never to act upon them at the time.
War makes everyone callous to the enemy. Even to the best of us.
The Spoonheads fucked around and found out why pissing off the Klingons is never a good idea.
Klingon proverb
"WE surrender!"
"N'ot guth enougff! Qaplah!"
You just got to love them Klingons for taking war to a deferent level.
That women and children line is from Babylon 5😇
Heard that too
How did an honorable warrior like Martok raise such a cowardly and dishonorable son like Drex?
Martok should have beaten that out of him from a young age. Heck, you'd think his wife would, too. Having a coward for a son reflects badly on the honor of their House, after all.
What did he do that was cowardly? You might it morally wrong, but how is it cowardice?
@MrGunlover12 Ordering fire missions on civilian structures? Klingon honor considers it wrong to prey on the weak. Theoretically, obviously.
And if that's not enough, there's definitely how he acted in Way of the Warrior. Bullying Quark? Assaulting Garak with a bunch of his buddies? These are not the actions of a brave man.
Worf called Drex a coward and a liar to Martok's face and Martok didn't even try to defend him.
@@erikjaroy8214well that Martok had already been replaced by a Changling and the Changling was probably happy to have another bloodthirsty Klingon like Drex around for the upcoming attack on Cardassia...
But yeah I've no clue why the real Martok didn't properly train his son years earlier. Maybe it's a problem of a son not taking after his father and refusing his discipline. Or maybe it was the writers not knowing next season they would have the warmongering Martok be a Changling infiltrator and later on the real one being the most honorable Klingon we've ever seen besides Worf himself! ... Probably the second explanation but still overall the DS9 story is so compelling and coherent I wonder why all other Star Trek series couldn't have thought ahead like they clearly did when they made Deep Space 9!
@@sbkeel5639 The changeling was already removed before the start of the Dominion War; and Drex was probably only around Changeling Dad for maybe a year... so the raising was done (or NOT done) my Martok, Sirella, and the rest of their house.
That said, I've met some great people who have shit kids, and vice versa... just cuz they're parent/child doesn't mean they will take after them (at least not in the ways you'd want)
@@Sephiroth144 did you read my whole comment and think it out? Martok was replaced by the start of DS9 season 4's Way of the Warrior 2 part episode where we first saw Drex on screen and that fake Martok was likely happy to have another bloodthirsty Klingon for the invasion of Cardassia...
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on this Battle of the fall of Septimus 3 during the Dominion War and so forth and so on indeed!,👌.
Can you do the Battle of Klach D'kel Brakt
Great episode like always the Klingon voice actors sounded really good
I bet major Kira and her people didn't feel sorry for the Kardashians at setlist 3 I bet they was like yeah let the Klingons get them
Admiral Caughey in command USS Normandy personal log. When word reached me of Septimus 3 I had to sit down and pour myself something potent. God knows where I got this stuff but I need yo relax my nerves before I talk about this one. Sure I know what planetary sieges look like and I’ve watched a few. Septimus 3 was an unmitigated slaughter. The orders were to “ let the Klingons go”. Part of me wanted to punish them for attacking hospital ships but that’s why the RRTF was escorting them. I know the Darkside of vengeance, that’s what brought me back to Starfleet. Now I see a new purpose, to save those young idealist officers and people who have yet to join. War should be fought by old scarred veterans like me who don’t know any better ( takes a drink) may future generations not know the horrors of this. End Log entry Uss Normandy
When you combine this, with the atrocities committed during the invasion of Cardassia, it is clear that the Klingons have no honor, no even the house of Martock.
Fantastic video!
Thanks Mike!
😎👍
Great episode! I got chills
Cheers
Keep in mind (this is embedded in lore itself after all)...there is still one race which while seemingly peaceful and pacifist can turn into malevolent being even more so brutal and unhinged than Klingons could ever be if you give them sufficient reason...their close allies of Terra, who much like the Vulcans hide terrible darkness in their hearts.
I feel like kanar would have a licorice flavor
So it's cardasian jagerneister?
Closer to sweet sherry I think. Very sugary. Made from dates
I've seen it in 2 colors. Blackish Greenish & brownish orange.
I was under the impression that Kanar was largely unpalatable to humans? We never see a human drinking it and I seem to recall an admiral in TNG saying the Cardassians drink some kind of "fish juice." Admittedly, we don't know he was talking about Kanar, but it's a bit of a window into Cardassian tastes.
@@erikjaroy8214 No, Fish Juice is Fish Juice- Kanar is not that. (And to be fair, there is some variety in Kanar, varying in color and consistency- with a prevailing theory that better or more aged Kanar is thinner, with the thicker stuff being the cheap stuff.)
Though I'd lean towards it being a cloying drink, like a sugary fish sauce (the one common in SE Asian cuisine); if you've ever had fish sauce, you can see how it would work and/or be unpleasant.
Absolutely brilliant stuff
Great video! Does Star fleet never commit war crimes? I know capt Sisko poisoned worlds in DS9. Also you think it be cheaper to use a tractor beam and drop an asteroid or a comet on a planet. Wiped out the enemy army with a tsunami… along with everyone else on the continent
In short, they do commit war crimes. But generally those are banned and heavily punished. For reminder IRL war crimes are banned not for moral reasons, but practical one. Those practices tend to heavily backfire. What we do see in war with Ukraine. Where Russia heavily compromised themselves, for minor gains. Same was true in Pacific War, where Japanese constantly break rules of law. It cost them more, as after several cases of wounded being used as cover for attack, throwing grenades in medics. Americans start simply prescriptively bombing hospitals. And they have full right to do so. As result more Japanese died then Americans.
To sum this topic up. There is clear correlation between war crimes and military impotency.
@@TheRezro If that's the case, why did the Allies commit so many when defeating Germany?
They did attempt to genocide the founders with a biological weapon. So yes.
You know how that saying goes, "A ruler can't rule a kingdom if there's no kingdom left to rule."
The Romulans/Remans knew this, hence why they created the thayloron weapons.
Really? I thought it’s so well done, the opener is tense! And the musical score is so suited to the topic.
Glad you like it. Make sure to share it around.
yea the klingons have always been savage brutes
Will this lead to a episode on the rise and fall of the cardassian rebellion
i'll probably do a special episode looking at the different forms it took.
So, in my head canon, The Federation ultimately forced the Dominion hand by going to war too early by mining the wormhole, because once they were able to withstand the initial onslaught, and the Romulans joined the Frey, the Dominion weakness of not fully fortifying theur Alpha Quadrant foothold, and the substandard Cardassian infrastructure, we can see how the war fell into a war of attrition.
I wonder how bad of a mark this left on the Klingon honor. It's one thing to expect enemy combatants to die to the man, but unarmed civilians, especially women and children, where is there honor to be had?
Well that was a bit harrowing. Conngrats on the writing and acting. 👍
What about looking at each Constitution Class Starship?
AHHHHHH to hear my klingon again!!!! JoH' WeH E'Chu!
Not only is it a war crime . It was a waist of time and resources.
Great information very good video.
Nice reuse of the scene where voyager got shot very good editing 🎉🎉❤❤
The Nanking Massacre, but on the Allied side. Disturbing...
Well what do you expect from Klingons, what the Cardies did to the them in K'Chang's Last Stand. Always expect a retaliation in revenge in return with equal brutality.
how do you get such detailed info on these battels?
This is amazing! You are a writer of the same quality as Ronald D Moore.
Your too kind sir.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 you're
Worf should have joined the chancellor in the version of cardassian he could have got his own Boardshop class Heavy Cruiser and been made a captain in the Defense Force
This shows that you could drop the klingon race into the warhammer 40k universe, and they would be right at home.
“War will make corpses of us all.”
Faramir.
Cool
Great eppisode!!
The cardassians got everything that they deserve
I love your videos
Good show.
lucky starfleet was around otherwise there would have been more than a few executions of klingons soliders.
Hey venom another fantastic video but I was wondering if you have ever heard of a series of star trek flash games called flash Trek I used to play them when I was in highschool and I remember them being very good maybe you could cover them in a video
Man that's nostalgic. I do remember although of course they're gone with flash.
General Martok became Chancellor by the end of the War, I am sure he placed many of the perpetrators of the Septimus III massacres in the Vanguard of the fleet prior to the fall of Cardassia.
unfortunately yes. in the short term martok is gonna struggle with reform. and going forward he is going to have to play politics weather or not he likes it
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I'm pretty sure he meant he put the worst elements of the Klingons at the point of the spear for teh Invasion of Cardassia- i.e., telling them to GO WIN GLORY while expecting most of them to die in the first wave (removing the problem, while also allowing their families to retain their honor).
Wasn't this one of the turning point s of damars decision to rebell against the founders?
yes
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I thought so
Cardassia joined the dominion willingly, they got what they deserved
Bonus points to the medical station that could detect a cloaked Bird of Prey.
You always take prisoners so that the others don't feel they have to fight to the death.
NOW; if you want to kill them after the battle is over, so be it.
But why work harder than you have too?
I noticed that you've been studying war etiquette from Gul Dukat.
@@shawn092182 Just being purely practical.
It's a shame what happened to Drex's actor.
I always wondered what happened to Martok's son after Worf pimp slapped him since he never appears again or is even mentioned again in the show. I always thought that Worf's treatment of Martok's son is why Martok's wife didn't like him.
Might be...
It's all Worf's fault. Worf stole his honor and embarrassed him in front of his subordinates. The only option left to renew his honor was to achieve victories against the Dominion during the war. That's also why he didn't show up for Worf and Dax's wedding.
War is the crime. It forces otherwise normal people to become killers. So that rich old men can gloat and lord over their grieving parents. It's the most repulsive sin mankind commits.
"Morally enlightened" federation citizens
HA HA HA
i wonder who took septimus 3 in the 2nd invasion i hope it not the klingons
In space no one can hear you violate the Geneva Convention.
Unfortunately yet again real life seems to have outdone fiction
Let's hope no one tries to match my next one's...
It's a Geneva Suggestion.
Ahhh Klingons...when the Federation needs some war crimes committed with plausible deniability.
I'm scared
For the algorithm
For cardassia!!!
Qapla long live the empire
Tactical war crimes baby!
Note: I actually do not condone committing war crimes.
After what the Cadies did to the Bajorans, I have no sympathy for them.
Not an uncommon sentiment unfortunately
The 'Butcher' of El Adriel? Isn't El Adriel where Darmoc and Jillad went to Tanagra? I didn't think they had people there, only invisible beasts that made the walls fall.
But to the meat. Your perspective is very Federationist and humanist. The Klingons complained about this in one of their visits to the Enterprise. So I ask you, hooman, what did the pink skins think would happen when they unleashed the Klingon horde? It's like when 3 and 1/2 Men hired Charlie Sheen and then were shocked, shocked that he would do blow off a porn stars butt. What 'crime' did a people who know the call of blood commit? The only one I see is that the commanders dishonored the second wave of warriors who came down too late and saw the first wave, which included women, achieved all the glory. That's an actual Klingon crime (or it should be.)
Just as the West is not the world, the Federation is not the Alpha Quadrant. The Borg would probably agree that the Klingons are efficient. The Romulans would judge them as a savage subspecies as orbital bombardment and enslavement would be more helpful to the glory of the Emporer. The Breen would be cool with it. The Founders would secretly be impressed and scoff at the weakness of the Cardasians. I doubt even the Tholians would give a damn. Maybe the Kzinti would care. No, Hooman, you are just preaching your silly Federation values or as the Klingons call it, 'the white woman's burden.' Kaplah Baby!
Awesome vidoe btw. Great topic.
Check out "Ka'changs last stand"
lol war crimes it's just Klingons being themselfs they do this to everyone its how they are.The only thing you can do is get them befor they get you.
Love the video and your other work, can anyone tell me if this is sourced from books or shows or fan fic etc, just curious. Keep up the great work!
VGM uses what Canon evidence we have plus uses real life history to fill in the gaps, along with his own headcanon.
@@alexandercaires5921 awesome thanks for the info