Fields of Arcadia, and the battle has begun Nowhere to run, Father and son Fall one by one under the gun Thy will be done, and the judgement has begun Nowhere to run, father and son Fall one by one, fields of Arcadia
This rivals “Raptor’s Revenge” and your videos on Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001 as my favorite of your videos. I never get tired of hearing this story. And I love what you did with the character of K’Chang. He, like Martok and Worf, I think presents an example of what a Klingon warrior should be and could become: a true, noble warrior, willing to give his life to defend those who cannot defend themselves
The word _Arcadia_ is Greek for: "region offering peace and contentment." Ironically a rather large number of Sci-Fi franchises have a "Battle of Arcadia".
Maybe you could tell us the amazing story behind the Argolis Custer. Where a little ship that could, slipped through a shredder, then took out a heavily defended cluster of sensor arrays. All by her little ship self, that could. Just dropping a hint as to how it could be told.
Imagine fighting a commander who has the tactical acumen to plan ahead, but who is also utterly unafraid to take casualties in execution of said plan. You can never be sure if whatever damage you inflict on their forces isn't "just as planned" and you aren't going to eat sh*t soon as a result.
That was another fantastically awe4some and brilliantly magnificent gem of a new addition in your battles of the dominion war series. Not at all surprised, that with decent leadership, military ships and manpower adequately tactically deployed to make best use of a fortress world defence, combined with motivation of preventing the enemy from getting within striking distance of home and holding a world, they spent blood to try and take in the past. Gave the klingons right incentive and strategy to destroy and inflict a very bloody nose and horrendous defeat on the dominion. As the old adage of never push to the pink skins to the pale ice, can be just as easily applied to the klingons in this battle.
What can I can,another great video I'm sure I speak for everyone thank for the time and effort you put in to making these videos keep up the great work,Long Live The Empire 👍🏽
Very good description of the battle. If I may add an additional post action report. Commander Rochelle Denolli had heard reports of the Battle of Arcadia. She was acting captain of the Nightingale, an Oberth class starship used to transport medical supplies. She had worked with Klingons before and had many meetings with Klingon doctors herself being one. She knew the situation was desperate and wanted to help, unfortunately Starfleet command did not want to risk sending help into a volatile situation. She therefore convinced another Dr Commander Deckland commander of the Uss Salk a starfleet medical ship to join her ship and try to reach the Arcadia system to bring medical supplies to the Klingons. Knowing they would be outnumbered and outgunned Denoli secretly tried to enlist frontline captains to help her. She found a kindred spirt in Captain Paul Linden of the Starship Avenger. a nebula class vessel. After hearing her pitch, Paul the grandson of Sam Linden who had been brainwashed by an alien entity in the TOS episode And the Children shall Lead, pauses for about 30 seconds before wholeheartedly agreeing. Now joined with the Uss Venture a Galaxy class ship and 7 modified runabouts they make their way to the Arcadia system....without Starfleet authorization. Things seem to go well as they enter the system.... until they encounter a Jem'hadar squadron fleeing the battle with the Klingons. Linden initially panics....but that passes in even less time than his decision to join this unsanctioned venture and quickly organized a battle plan using the runabouts as a screen to engage the five Jem'hadar fighters and their cruiser as the two capital ships lay down covering fire with the support ships hanging back. The tactic is at first successful against the damaged squadron as two of the fighters are destroyed and another is disabled. Unfortunately the cruiser though having suffered heavy damage is putting up a fierce fight. Just as Linden is considering retreat having taking full responsibility for this foray and not wanting any fatalities three birds of prey decloak and join the battle destroying the remaining jem'hadar forces. The Klingon squadron commander K'thoth questions Linden about why Starfleet would authorize such a force and not inform the Klingons of its arrival. Linden looks at Cmdr Denoli on a split viewscreen and simply answers " that's because Starfleet did not authorize it" . K'thoth has a hearty laugh " Well well a Starfleet officer who does not go "by the book". After explaining it was Denoli's idea K'thoth thanks her as the medical supplies were sorely needed. He then personally escorts them to Arcadia V
THE ARCADIAN GATE CANNOT FALTER! IF WE BREAK HERE THE FLEETS OF THE DOMINION WILL HAVE FREE REIGN TO PILLAGE AND BURN THE QUADRANT! THUS WE SHALL NOT FALTER! THERE WILL BE NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER! THEY CAN NOT, THEY SHALL NOT, THEY WILL NOT PASS! THE PLANET WILL BREAK BEFORE THE DEFENSE DOES! Could you put Stardates in the titles for each of these battlespace vids? I love them and it would be a good way to easily establish a timeline.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Ok So THAT WAS THE DAY IN DOMINION WAR! FIERCE DEFENSIVE FIGHTING ON THE ARCADIA FRONT BUT THE SLIFFEN PLAN HAS FINALLY LOST MOMENTUM 😁
_"Sink, burn, capture, destroy. Let nothing pass." - Andrew Cunningham_ Also 24:18 ; I thought many aspects of this battlespace were similar to Verdun. My intuition proved to be correct.
@@JeanLucCaptain The death korp seem to have an advantage, they understand advanced tactics like entrenching, they definitely have numbers on their side, and while both groups may be just about equally fanatical, I'd say artillery wins 9 times out of 10.
@@alexandermackie7621 Well Jem'hadar are not stupid, they have personal cloaks, they never eat or sleep, and they're love playing dirty using bioweapons HOUDINIES and they can teleport anywhere they want
Excellent, I assume the other Operation hinted at is Operation Return? Also, who held the Jem'Haddar at the Vulcan border, Starfleet, Vulcan High Command, or both?
@@raw6668 Yeah, I mean, I'd presume the member worlds' own space forces and 'forces' would be doing *something,* and they'd probably be covering the core Federation worlds and early colonies. At least since we didn't see or hear much about em. And I'd imagine the Tellarites must at least be reasonably-fortified just for the sake of building big stuff, just from general portrayals in other sources at all.
@@OllamhDrab Not to mention I would not be surprised in each home system is shipyards making not only Federation starships, but also their own ships with their own ship classes or allowed to build Federation starships for allowing Starfleet to use their shipyards. It is just most of the members joined the Federation for they were weak or too much like a pacifist and needed protection.
@@raw6668 A lot of them certainly do rely on Starfleet for defense, (Earth being pretty conspicuous about mostly doing that, but it's part of the charter than everyone *can* also have their own forces if they choose. So who's got much of their own stuff probably depends on some combination of sentiment and practicalities.
Janus would have been SUCH a pain in the side for the Jem Hadar. The Horta can be down right nawsty, almost impossible to detect, fast, and able to carry out ambushes, then vanish into solid rock digging and colapsing tunnels, they could hover near the surface, undetcatable to sensors, but feeling the vibrations and footfalls of the jem hadar... and with a quick pounce, and acid spray, that was it. these creatures could have held a gorilla war for months, or years... and even planetary bombardment wouldn't stop them as all they would do is moved deeper into the planets crust and wait.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 oh no, that's true, but they blend into rock, they are hard to see visually, don't give off a heat signature, don't show up in UV. Scanners can't detect them if they are in silicon based rock, OR rocks that they have ingested long enough that it makes up their outer coating. Yes they can pass for crystal, dylthium, or such depending on their preferred habitat. Carrying out commando attacks, burring into bases and damaging components then vanishing again, taking out guards... heck taking out vorta... they would drive the jem hadar nuts... it would be like... fighting changelings.
@@jenniferstewarts4851 long term yes. But don't forget this is early war and the dominion is mounting a blitzkrieg campaign so they are often not stopping to occupy planets unless they need to.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 true, except they did leave garrisons on key worlds and moons to act as fall back bases and strong points. And the last thing a vorta wants is their base shield generator... to get eaten... and/or their oxygen generator to go missing.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 it always bugged me though with this war, there were more then af ew species that would have just drove the vorta and such nuts. especially some of the .. "non solid" species. for example. the non coporial Medusan species... add to that federation changelings... such as the Allasomorphs... who could just as easily pose as a founder. Could have thrown entire operations into disarray. Or the Chameloid species. I can easily have seen the klingons and federation employing or paying, these species to pose as vorta, founders, etc. to confuse and give countering orders to Jem Hadar. Honestly, an Chameloid pretending to be a founder, hailing a battlecruiser flag ship of a dominion force and telling the first, to execute their vorta, "He has failed me once to often, kill him, maybe his next clone can do better."
The Klingon version of Verdun, but more bloodier and brutal. Yet the forts of Arcadia, despite being ancient were able to stand strong in a desperate time to turn the battle for the system in Arcadia into a starship meatgrinder with the help of Klingon warships.
You should do a dual video with Lore Reloaded so more people know about your amazing channel....it's as high quality and great as any other channel I've watched
The dam Federation needs to learn how to fight they have warships and everything else they need they just like fused to use them as such until push comes to shove and they have no other choice
I get why most countries on Earth have defense forces and defense ministers, but I really would have expected the Klingons to have either offense forces or simply forces. They aren't big on defending, even if only for public relation reasons. In fact, I would expect a pacifist faction of the Klingons to call their armies and fleets "offense forces" for PR, instead of it being the other way around on Earth rn.
Brilliant choreography as always. Only complaint is the k'tingas firing that red beam out of its torpedo launcher, thought that was a dumb VFX decision for over 20 years now! Not only is it the wrong color, it totally less cool than the 6 or so small to medium cannons it should be fireing.
so i'm going to do a shipchat soon on the Ktinga dominion war Refit. there are good reasons for it that i won't spoil. just bear in mind the Ktinga's age it cannot fight it the way it did 100 years before.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 But the Brel, thats like a 90 years old design, can? These designs are evergreen, with regards to klingon technology, nothing about the them seems to limit upgradability. in 2370 a ktinga might not be considered a heavy battlecruiser any more, but a properly modernized one would be a pretty capable light cruiser, an equivalent to a 2370 excelsior class in combat rating.
@@dontdrunkimshoot8220 so your kinda right in that the BOP is a scout and that doesn't change. But I have to disagree with the ktinga being on the same level as excelsior given that its half the size. So it's nowhere near excelsior it's more comparable to a miranda which saw drastic demotion over time.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well, even a miranda is 1.5 times the volume of a ktinga, an excelsior is like 5.5 times the size lol. But the excelsior was designed to be a general purpose deep space explorer with the cargo capacity to store enough fuel and provisions to go years without visiting a friendly port. klingon ships are purpose built to do battle, carry marries, and resupply every few weeks. Maybe 20% of the average federation ship's mass could be said to be combat oriented, wile something like 80% of a ktinga's mass is devoted to guns, armor and power generation. The federation's technological advances did much to render ship designs from the 23rd century obsolete and unupgradable beyond a certain point, compared to designs of the ambassador's age or newer, that does not seem to be the case for the klingons at all. Its all fundamentally the exact same tech, only better and more powerful. An excelsior without so much as proper beam arrays is going to lose ground compared to a gunboat like the ktinga after 80 some odd years of refits imo.
@@dontdrunkimshoot8220 ok so the base model excelsior had a loadout of 6 torpedo launchers 3x that of the ktinga it has 16 phaser batteries on the saucer alone 2x that of the ktinga... i know which i'd put money on. this is 23rd century starfleet which not only expects fights, but anticipates facing races and entities far more powerful than they are. also i think you've got the doctrines confused, starfleet is constantly refitting and modifying old designs for the Klingons they don't care so long as its good enough. the BOP of the dominion war is pretty much unchanged from the 23rd century; however it is its use that has changed and similarly for the ktinga (apart from the lance phaser) its otherwise the same as its 23rd century counterpart but its changed role.
To Venm Geek Media. A suggestion. Where is the Federation/Klingon/Romulan defensive battle based upon "Waterloo"? Federation Admiral:Retreat (insert number of parsec's) and form square formation. Dominion Vorta: "They're RETREATING!" Dominion fleet launches assault and is ..........cut to pieces by "Alliance" square formation. Jem'Hadar......"A second Klingon/Federation fleet has appeared......we are outflanked!....and cannot hold them!" Vorta:...............we are finished!
i do love the Napoleonic wars so i might sneak some references in. the klingons are actually probably closest to the british with how unruly their cavalry is. the dominion are like the russians. and the cardassians are probably closest to Austrians
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I do not know if you are aware of this VGM but there is an incredible Napoleonic series from Epic History TV here on TH-cam that you might want to have a look at for inspiration. th-cam.com/video/91OmO2YMiDM/w-d-xo.html By the way, I thank you for your content!
This kind of reminds me of the Russians fighting the Eastern Front in WW2. They suffered the most losses in a brutal theatre which they were ultimately victorious.
yeah i got much the same impression from DS9 dialogue. not to mention the fact that they were fighting the war before it had truly begun. and of course the parallels between klingon ships and russian equipment (BOP=T-34)
The Klingon great houses are only allowed to have birds of prey brail class as modern ships they do however have legacy ships such as katangas even d7s some of them even have antiques like D5 d6s even old school birds of prey from the 22nd century now these ships weapons and shields have been updated along with some of their computer technology but they're basically still what they were the most powerful the great house is might have six contingents 10 continue you know maybe some d7s and maybe 10 birds of prey broil class on they are not allowed to have more chalk class or neck bar class don't matter how rich they are
I really think Cardassian ships should take care of 2 vortas pretty easily. The firepower of Galors is said to be pretty high. The Galors are more primitive than federation vessels, but they shouldn’t of been so badly beaten by the Klingons except plot reasons.
That is also confusing, since according to Madred, Cardassian children are given intense education and war theory. I suppose Klingons have more experience since we don’t know what kind of wars Cardassia had before. Fighting Bajor didn’t teach them anything.
Venom Geek, what's with the number 49? How many Starfleet ships did the Borg destroy at Wolf 359? 49! How many Cardassian ships did the Kilngons destroy? 49! How many Dominion ships were destroyed at Arcadia? 49! Is 49 the Star Trek version of Douglas Adams' 42?
sometimes the best offence is not the best defence. the Klingons always were slower to respond to any threat in large force, you would likely run around a few brels or something but the Klingons have their main strength lie in the clans and deactivated vessels which obviously takes time and effort to restore especially seeing that the Klingons don't seem like the type of people to properly upkeep their ships, the main bulk of the KDF is like the vast amounts of deactivated and decommissioned ships the US navy has. the fact that they also don't respect defensive emplacements would make me think that they also lack any sort of defensive structure meaning their tactics would be extremely outdated like you display. also just quickly I always find it funny that its called the Klingon DEFENCE force, like really?
because klingon Offence force was a bit too spicy. but of course if was bourne out of post Kithomer reforms which probably saw the fleet reduced drastically with hundreds of ships going into mothballs like a lot of Soviet tanks.
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Fields of Arcadia, and the battle has begun
Nowhere to run, Father and son
Fall one by one under the gun
Thy will be done, and the judgement has begun
Nowhere to run, father and son
Fall one by one, fields of Arcadia
Dominion Battleships appear: EPIC METAL BISMARK RIFF GETS ADDED!
I’m suppose to see them and Judas Priest October
@@JeanLucCaptain yes
@@nathanielmeade5731 PRIDE OF THE DOMINION, AN ARC MADE FOR GODS!
@@JeanLucCaptain dear God yes we need that
'THEY SHALL NOT PASS!' A true Klingon version of the Battle of Verdun.
They held the line! Get this Klingon a medal!
How the hell do u not have more subs, content is gold dude. Thank you, these stories really wrap me in
This rivals “Raptor’s Revenge” and your videos on Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001 as my favorite of your videos. I never get tired of hearing this story. And I love what you did with the character of K’Chang. He, like Martok and Worf, I think presents an example of what a Klingon warrior should be and could become: a true, noble warrior, willing to give his life to defend those who cannot defend themselves
glad you like it K'Chang was a character i first used in the battle of sector 73 Epsilon, he did quite well there.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I remember, and I see he got a promotion since then 😉blol
@@fightingfalcon777 indeed he did.
The word _Arcadia_ is Greek for: "region offering peace and contentment."
Ironically a rather large number of Sci-Fi franchises have a "Battle of Arcadia".
yeah there's on in the TIme war of Doctor who and in Halo
Klingon: "Well of course! What could offer more peace and contentment than GLORIOUS BATTLE?!" x D
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Doctor "I was there at the fall of Arcadia"
These might as well be tutorials on how to maintain suspense for extended periods of time.
Maybe you could tell us the amazing story behind the Argolis Custer. Where a little ship that could, slipped through a shredder, then took out a heavily defended cluster of sensor arrays. All by her little ship self, that could. Just dropping a hint as to how it could be told.
Keep it up Venom. Another great Dominion War documentary.
Can’t wait for your take on Operation Return.
Truth! I'm stoked for the Fall of Betazed and the battles around Vulcan! These largely unexplored actions are fascinating!
And with the victory at Arcadia, you can imagine the morale boost to both allied fleets. They finally won one!
Imagine fighting a commander who has the tactical acumen to plan ahead, but who is also utterly unafraid to take casualties in execution of said plan. You can never be sure if whatever damage you inflict on their forces isn't "just as planned" and you aren't going to eat sh*t soon as a result.
Warriors of the Empire!. Arise oh sons of Khalass!.. Oaths you have taken!. Now, fulfil them all...
That's literally the Scarif sheild gate in Star Wars Roge One. (16:13)
That was another fantastically awe4some and brilliantly magnificent gem of a new addition in your battles of the dominion war series. Not at all surprised, that with decent leadership, military ships and manpower adequately tactically deployed to make best use of a fortress world defence, combined with motivation of preventing the enemy from getting within striking distance of home and holding a world, they spent blood to try and take in the past. Gave the klingons right incentive and strategy to destroy and inflict a very bloody nose and horrendous defeat on the dominion. As the old adage of never push to the pink skins to the pale ice, can be just as easily applied to the klingons in this battle.
What can I can,another great video I'm sure I speak for everyone thank for the time and effort you put in to making these videos keep up the great work,Long Live The Empire 👍🏽
Thank you for making these! We look forward to every episode! What a great gift for any Star Trek fan! 👍
Another excellent chapter to the Dominion War saga! Can’t wait for the next one!
The opening credits.... is everything.
Great Video as always. Even if it was mentioned only briefly, I liked how amphibious operations were included 👌
yeah ground/sea battles are rarely shown but they must have happened and i could imagine the jem'hadar doing quite well underwater.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely done and very informatively explained and executed indeed 👌.
Love the Klingon warrior letter home nice touch great art work again , she does great work , I checked out the link to her other work very good imo
This was fantastic
You never disappoint
I loved the music
Pure epicness and glory. Great job, very enjoyable to watch
The neghvar was built just for such a role with its siege guns , the deplorable dominion base think we saw one in ds9 the last kolor episode
Eagerly awaiting 🤩
Very good description of the battle. If I may add an additional post action report. Commander Rochelle Denolli had heard reports of the Battle of Arcadia. She was acting captain of the Nightingale, an Oberth class starship used to transport medical supplies. She had worked with Klingons before and had many meetings with Klingon doctors herself being one. She knew the situation was desperate and wanted to help, unfortunately Starfleet command did not want to risk sending help into a volatile situation. She therefore convinced another Dr Commander Deckland commander of the Uss Salk a starfleet medical ship to join her ship and try to reach the Arcadia system to bring medical supplies to the Klingons. Knowing they would be outnumbered and outgunned Denoli secretly tried to enlist frontline captains to help her. She found a kindred spirt in Captain Paul Linden of the Starship Avenger. a nebula class vessel. After hearing her pitch, Paul the grandson of Sam Linden who had been brainwashed by an alien entity in the TOS episode And the Children shall Lead, pauses for about 30 seconds before wholeheartedly agreeing. Now joined with the Uss Venture a Galaxy class ship and 7 modified runabouts they make their way to the Arcadia system....without Starfleet authorization. Things seem to go well as they enter the system.... until they encounter a Jem'hadar squadron fleeing the battle with the Klingons. Linden initially panics....but that passes in even less time than his decision to join this unsanctioned venture and quickly organized a battle plan using the runabouts as a screen to engage the five Jem'hadar fighters and their cruiser as the two capital ships lay down covering fire with the support ships hanging back. The tactic is at first successful against the damaged squadron as two of the fighters are destroyed and another is disabled. Unfortunately the cruiser though having suffered heavy damage is putting up a fierce fight. Just as Linden is considering retreat having taking full responsibility for this foray and not wanting any fatalities three birds of prey decloak and join the battle destroying the remaining jem'hadar forces. The Klingon squadron commander K'thoth questions Linden about why Starfleet would authorize such a force and not inform the Klingons of its arrival. Linden looks at Cmdr Denoli on a split viewscreen and simply answers " that's because Starfleet did not authorize it" . K'thoth has a hearty laugh " Well well a Starfleet officer who does not go "by the book". After explaining it was Denoli's idea K'thoth thanks her as the medical supplies were sorely needed. He then personally escorts them to Arcadia V
Please Please please Keep Doing what your doing this was ABSOLUTELY EPIC 💯!!!!!!
Excellent work. My 5 year old watches these videos, all the way through!
im glad he likes them.
"They shall not pass" nice to see kchang channeling his inner gandalf😂
Post battle interview:
I didn't win this battle for me. I won it for the little guy...and the...um...It just feels good to win.
An epic story telling video sir!
Cheers was looking forward to this
Well Done Sir!! That was thoroughly entertaining !! More please!
The Klingons not deploying their mines to support the battle clusters at Janus made me cringe. Such bad tactics there.
Can't wait
THE ARCADIAN GATE CANNOT FALTER! IF WE BREAK HERE THE FLEETS OF THE DOMINION WILL HAVE FREE REIGN TO PILLAGE AND BURN THE QUADRANT! THUS WE SHALL NOT FALTER! THERE WILL BE NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER! THEY CAN NOT, THEY SHALL NOT, THEY WILL NOT PASS! THE PLANET WILL BREAK BEFORE THE DEFENSE DOES!
Could you put Stardates in the titles for each of these battlespace vids? I love them and it would be a good way to easily establish a timeline.
I use gregorian dates because they are easier to understand. I also put the episodes in chronological order in the dominion war playlist.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Ok So THAT WAS THE DAY IN DOMINION WAR! FIERCE DEFENSIVE FIGHTING ON THE ARCADIA FRONT BUT THE SLIFFEN PLAN HAS FINALLY LOST MOMENTUM 😁
Nice job, definitely enjoy your work with these. I watch them on my iPad when cooking through my sound system.
I had always theorized that the show was leading up to the Klingons joining the Federation after DS9. There is a lot hints there.
Epic speeches are back
So great bro get in deep with events the series missed out, hope there’s a Tomed Incident video some day
Well done, great video!
Wow.... kinda rough for the Klingons huh? Great job Venom
That was a really great video I totally enjoyed it very much i look forward 2 seen your nxt video
_"Sink, burn, capture, destroy. Let nothing pass." - Andrew Cunningham_
Also 24:18 ; I thought many aspects of this battlespace were similar to Verdun. My intuition proved to be correct.
But do you know of the Siege of Vraks?
@@JeanLucCaptain confused gas mask noises?
@@alexandermackie7621 DKOK vs JEM'HADAR 👁️👀👀👀
@@JeanLucCaptain The death korp seem to have an advantage, they understand advanced tactics like entrenching, they definitely have numbers on their side, and while both groups may be just about equally fanatical, I'd say artillery wins 9 times out of 10.
@@alexandermackie7621 Well Jem'hadar are not stupid, they have personal cloaks, they never eat or sleep, and they're love playing dirty using bioweapons HOUDINIES and they can teleport anywhere they want
Bravo. Thank you Venom 👏
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼bravo! Bravo! Long live the empire!
Another great break down! Keep up the good work sir!
Great video. Well done Venom Geek!
Excellent, I assume the other Operation hinted at is Operation Return?
Also, who held the Jem'Haddar at the Vulcan border, Starfleet, Vulcan High Command, or both?
I presume the Andorian Guard was up to something where we really didn't see, I kinda presume they'd be covering at least a bunch of nearby sectors.
@@OllamhDrab So all three.
@@raw6668 Yeah, I mean, I'd presume the member worlds' own space forces and 'forces' would be doing *something,* and they'd probably be covering the core Federation worlds and early colonies. At least since we didn't see or hear much about em. And I'd imagine the Tellarites must at least be reasonably-fortified just for the sake of building big stuff, just from general portrayals in other sources at all.
@@OllamhDrab Not to mention I would not be surprised in each home system is shipyards making not only Federation starships, but also their own ships with their own ship classes or allowed to build Federation starships for allowing Starfleet to use their shipyards. It is just most of the members joined the Federation for they were weak or too much like a pacifist and needed protection.
@@raw6668 A lot of them certainly do rely on Starfleet for defense, (Earth being pretty conspicuous about mostly doing that, but it's part of the charter than everyone *can* also have their own forces if they choose. So who's got much of their own stuff probably depends on some combination of sentiment and practicalities.
Always entertaining, thanks for your work.
This helps explain why Chancellor Gowron was hesitant to send more ships to aid the Federation in Operation Return.
precisely
Bloody brilliant.
Janus would have been SUCH a pain in the side for the Jem Hadar. The Horta can be down right nawsty, almost impossible to detect, fast, and able to carry out ambushes, then vanish into solid rock digging and colapsing tunnels, they could hover near the surface, undetcatable to sensors, but feeling the vibrations and footfalls of the jem hadar... and with a quick pounce, and acid spray, that was it.
these creatures could have held a gorilla war for months, or years... and even planetary bombardment wouldn't stop them as all they would do is moved deeper into the planets crust and wait.
True but they aren't invulnerable and jem hadar weapons could definitely damage them
@@venomgeekmedia9886 oh no, that's true, but they blend into rock, they are hard to see visually, don't give off a heat signature, don't show up in UV. Scanners can't detect them if they are in silicon based rock, OR rocks that they have ingested long enough that it makes up their outer coating. Yes they can pass for crystal, dylthium, or such depending on their preferred habitat.
Carrying out commando attacks, burring into bases and damaging components then vanishing again, taking out guards... heck taking out vorta... they would drive the jem hadar nuts... it would be like... fighting changelings.
@@jenniferstewarts4851 long term yes. But don't forget this is early war and the dominion is mounting a blitzkrieg campaign so they are often not stopping to occupy planets unless they need to.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 true, except they did leave garrisons on key worlds and moons to act as fall back bases and strong points.
And the last thing a vorta wants is their base shield generator... to get eaten... and/or their oxygen generator to go missing.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 it always bugged me though with this war, there were more then af ew species that would have just drove the vorta and such nuts. especially some of the .. "non solid" species. for example. the non coporial Medusan species...
add to that federation changelings... such as the Allasomorphs... who could just as easily pose as a founder. Could have thrown entire operations into disarray. Or the Chameloid species. I can easily have seen the klingons and federation employing or paying, these species to pose as vorta, founders, etc. to confuse and give countering orders to Jem Hadar.
Honestly, an Chameloid pretending to be a founder, hailing a battlecruiser flag ship of a dominion force and telling the first, to execute their vorta, "He has failed me once to often, kill him, maybe his next clone can do better."
Excellent! Thank you
Another epic video keep up the epic work respect.
Now THIS would have made a good star trek movie! Or maybe mini-series?
Nicely done
Great episode!
That was so so good. Loved it.
Most informative.
The Klingon version of Verdun, but more bloodier and brutal. Yet the forts of Arcadia, despite being ancient were able to stand strong in a desperate time to turn the battle for the system in Arcadia into a starship meatgrinder with the help of Klingon warships.
Marshal Petain at Verdun. Unique thing to hear from a Klingon general..
Great work
Best way to start the morning
I love the Japanese music at the start when talking about honour
i was so glad i found it. it fits so well.
You should do a dual video with Lore Reloaded so more people know about your amazing channel....it's as high quality and great as any other channel I've watched
I already have 😉
Qapla'! TlhIngan maH, taHjaj!
11:20 yeah...I'd yield too, in fact I would actively avoid ritual l hand to hand combat with Klingons
The Klingons need to teach the Federation how to fight like them
alas they have very different combat doctrines and defense is hardly the klingons strong suit.
The dam Federation needs to learn how to fight they have warships and everything else they need they just like fused to use them as such until push comes to shove and they have no other choice
please do more of these videos
Lol @ the ferengi salvaging/ stealing klingon ships
yeah, funny we never see that D'kora model used again. i think it was broken which is a shame because it would be perfect in the background of DS9
Surely a rule if acquisition makes this completely legal!
@@venomgeekmedia9886 now I'm just imagining the D'kora being fitted for war.
based video, thank you
I love this videos
If I ever met you I would talk your ear off lol......Thank you.
trust me your not the only one. i host live chats with my members and we often go on for quite some time
Now the cob webs are cutting off now were learning to fight smarter so soon give them a real fight.
Only sisko can make some fake ass gods do work. Great animation of the war!
Great story, I feel bad there were no federation ships there to help.
damn, starfleet must have hated the fact that they lost janus like this.
Fantastic al always Venom. Next vid: The Battle of Ricktor Prime?
at some point. though its much later in the war.
Klingons don't fight for cubic kilomtres, they fight for cubic kellicams! :D :P
Kapla glory to the empire
6:19 sounds like something erich von falkenhayn would order
definitely although particularly in the early war he wasn't the only one to give those types of orders i think Luigi Cadorna did something similar.
I assume the diversion of forces near the end was Operation Return?
you might be right...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 figured as much.
Damn that was epic
I get why most countries on Earth have defense forces and defense ministers, but I really would have expected the Klingons to have either offense forces or simply forces. They aren't big on defending, even if only for public relation reasons.
In fact, I would expect a pacifist faction of the Klingons to call their armies and fleets "offense forces" for PR, instead of it being the other way around on Earth rn.
YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
Brilliant choreography as always. Only complaint is the k'tingas firing that red beam out of its torpedo launcher, thought that was a dumb VFX decision for over 20 years now! Not only is it the wrong color, it totally less cool than the 6 or so small to medium cannons it should be fireing.
so i'm going to do a shipchat soon on the Ktinga dominion war Refit. there are good reasons for it that i won't spoil. just bear in mind the Ktinga's age it cannot fight it the way it did 100 years before.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 But the Brel, thats like a 90 years old design, can? These designs are evergreen, with regards to klingon technology, nothing about the them seems to limit upgradability. in 2370 a ktinga might not be considered a heavy battlecruiser any more, but a properly modernized one would be a pretty capable light cruiser, an equivalent to a 2370 excelsior class in combat rating.
@@dontdrunkimshoot8220 so your kinda right in that the BOP is a scout and that doesn't change. But I have to disagree with the ktinga being on the same level as excelsior given that its half the size. So it's nowhere near excelsior it's more comparable to a miranda which saw drastic demotion over time.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well, even a miranda is 1.5 times the volume of a ktinga, an excelsior is like 5.5 times the size lol.
But the excelsior was designed to be a general purpose deep space explorer with the cargo capacity to store enough fuel and provisions to go years without visiting a friendly port. klingon ships are purpose built to do battle, carry marries, and resupply every few weeks. Maybe 20% of the average federation ship's mass could be said to be combat oriented, wile something like 80% of a ktinga's mass is devoted to guns, armor and power generation. The federation's technological advances did much to render ship designs from the 23rd century obsolete and unupgradable beyond a certain point, compared to designs of the ambassador's age or newer, that does not seem to be the case for the klingons at all. Its all fundamentally the exact same tech, only better and more powerful. An excelsior without so much as proper beam arrays is going to lose ground compared to a gunboat like the ktinga after 80 some odd years of refits imo.
@@dontdrunkimshoot8220 ok so the base model excelsior had a loadout of 6 torpedo launchers 3x that of the ktinga it has 16 phaser batteries on the saucer alone 2x that of the ktinga... i know which i'd put money on. this is 23rd century starfleet which not only expects fights, but anticipates facing races and entities far more powerful than they are.
also i think you've got the doctrines confused, starfleet is constantly refitting and modifying old designs for the Klingons they don't care so long as its good enough. the BOP of the dominion war is pretty much unchanged from the 23rd century; however it is its use that has changed and similarly for the ktinga (apart from the lance phaser) its otherwise the same as its 23rd century counterpart but its changed role.
If you ever write a startrek war book please let me know good sir and the HiveMind will purchase said book
To Venm Geek Media. A suggestion.
Where is the Federation/Klingon/Romulan defensive battle based upon "Waterloo"?
Federation Admiral:Retreat (insert number of parsec's) and form square formation.
Dominion Vorta: "They're RETREATING!"
Dominion fleet launches assault and is ..........cut to pieces by "Alliance" square formation.
Jem'Hadar......"A second Klingon/Federation fleet has appeared......we are outflanked!....and cannot hold them!"
Vorta:...............we are finished!
i do love the Napoleonic wars so i might sneak some references in. the klingons are actually probably closest to the british with how unruly their cavalry is. the dominion are like the russians. and the cardassians are probably closest to Austrians
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I do not know if you are aware of this VGM but there is an incredible Napoleonic series from Epic History TV here on TH-cam that you might want to have a look at for inspiration. th-cam.com/video/91OmO2YMiDM/w-d-xo.html
By the way, I thank you for your content!
wait... don't klingons kill the defenseless on a regular basis? Especially if they're alien subjects of the empire?
I always miss the live chat. 😞
This kind of reminds me of the Russians fighting the Eastern Front in WW2. They suffered the most losses in a brutal theatre which they were ultimately victorious.
yeah i got much the same impression from DS9 dialogue. not to mention the fact that they were fighting the war before it had truly begun. and of course the parallels between klingon ships and russian equipment (BOP=T-34)
The Klingon great houses are only allowed to have birds of prey brail class as modern ships they do however have legacy ships such as katangas even d7s some of them even have antiques like D5 d6s even old school birds of prey from the 22nd century now these ships weapons and shields have been updated along with some of their computer technology but they're basically still what they were the most powerful the great house is might have six contingents 10 continue you know maybe some d7s and maybe 10 birds of prey broil class on they are not allowed to have more chalk class or neck bar class don't matter how rich they are
Are these from novels, or fan fic? Either way, I dig it! Keep it up! K'plagh
This particular episode is my own idea based off the original campaign maps I've made.
4:48
I really think Cardassian ships should take care of 2 vortas pretty easily. The firepower of Galors is said to be pretty high. The Galors are more primitive than federation vessels, but they shouldn’t of been so badly beaten by the Klingons except plot reasons.
The galor is a very good balance d cruiser. The vorcha trades toughness for agility and firepower but the main disparity was the quality of officers
That is also confusing, since according to Madred, Cardassian children are given intense education and war theory. I suppose Klingons have more experience since we don’t know what kind of wars Cardassia had before. Fighting Bajor didn’t teach them anything.
Venom Geek, what's with the number 49?
How many Starfleet ships did the Borg destroy at Wolf 359? 49!
How many Cardassian ships did the Kilngons destroy? 49!
How many Dominion ships were destroyed at Arcadia? 49!
Is 49 the Star Trek version of Douglas Adams' 42?
gonna be honest its sheer coincidence.... or is it?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Nicely put.
What does EVA stand for?
Extra Vehicular Activity. Basically when you go outside a ship or station directly into space.
@@lanebowles8170 Thank you.
These "Boarders" make no sense in space
sometimes the best offence is not the best defence.
the Klingons always were slower to respond to any threat in large force, you would likely run around a few brels or something but the Klingons have their main strength lie in the clans and deactivated vessels which obviously takes time and effort to restore especially seeing that the Klingons don't seem like the type of people to properly upkeep their ships, the main bulk of the KDF is like the vast amounts of deactivated and decommissioned ships the US navy has.
the fact that they also don't respect defensive emplacements would make me think that they also lack any sort of defensive structure meaning their tactics would be extremely outdated like you display.
also just quickly I always find it funny that its called the Klingon DEFENCE force, like really?
because klingon Offence force was a bit too spicy. but of course if was bourne out of post Kithomer reforms which probably saw the fleet reduced drastically with hundreds of ships going into mothballs like a lot of Soviet tanks.