Speaking as a z3 m sport owner… in you sell your z3, you’re going to absolutely kickings yourself in the arse in 10 years… z3 was the LAST truly analogue car from BMW, ULTIMATE driving machine! 😍
I had a Z3. When it was launched cars were more angular and its curves weren't popular at the time. However, its looks have aged well and it is now a lovely looking, classic BMW car. I agree that the Z3 suspension set up (particularly at the rear) is an older design. People often say the Z3 suspension/steering is not good but that's usually an opinion based on an old car with tired suspension. I refreshed mine with all new shocks and poly bushes and it made a massive improvement for modest cost. For a weekend, top down, fun car they are great.
Well , i have a 2.2i roadster 1902 june zed . I picked it up 15 months ago with 10.7 miles on the clock ( now at 14.8) . The car still has all the original kit including the tyres, this guy who ddid the reviw ( in his opinion) did not mention the seats are electrical adjustable fron to back and floor to ceali g , my seats are leather and no way do i fi d them slippy . The weight ratio is 50/50 so i find the handling absolutely reat , it just make me smile when i take it out , my wife adores the car , and people come up to me and say what a beautiful car . I had the car in for 4 days to have Gtechnic ceramic rerum coating on the body wheels and glass , so it looks in almost showroom condition . We have looked at the latest x4 ( 59k ) for the top speck , and it is fantastic, but we can buy a lot of sunny holidays with that money , so for now the z3 meets all our expectations.....
I have this exact car. E85 Z4 2.5si. An important factor in this review is the si trim came with both the higher tuned N52 so we get a triple Vanos (variable intake timing, variable Intake length and variable tuned variable exhaust) The Si trim also gets the M sports suspension which makes the handling much sportier. We also get the sixth gear. This gives us closer ratios resulting a far sportier gearbox. All in all the si is a bargain and the 2.5si seriously rivals and earlier 3.0M54. I still kinda want a 3.4 Boxster S. Luv and Peace.
I wanted to buy 3,0i or 2,5si because 6sp manual gearbox. I choosed 2,5si because there were a more cars with M-sport seats and i really like it. Even it is in complete original, its feel like a really sporty car.
I owned a z3 and I am thinking of buying one again but I really share your conclusion. The difference gets even more important on long trips but the z3 looks so amazing. difficult choice. Great vid.
I had a Z3 and loved it. It was written off when an old lady reversed her SUV into it. I looked long and hard for a replacement Z3 but couldn't find a tidy one. Then a friend asked me if I'd like to try his Z4... Suffice to say, I stopped looking for a Z3 and bought a Z4. The later car is in a different league.
I own a Mercedes Slk 55amg; a BMW 135i, and 2 Fiat Coupe 20vt's, Passat w8, Abarth 500 and more... I think a z3 3.0 manual is a good choice for a working man with an endless passion for cars, and too many bills. I am confident you guys and gals can appreciate that. I look forward to seeing how the Z3 goes, I am sure I won't have the ability to our drive it to anywhere near its limits. At my age I think beauty out weighs down right performance. Great review, I look forward to more reviews, who knows what I will buy next.... And then a year or so later I brought a Z4M roadster, in red, but you know I doubt one person in a thousand would know what it was, lucky me, I do...
Thank you! I was waiting for a good review between the Z3 v Z4.I got to say I'm still leaning towards the Z3. Always loved the Z4 but recently I'm appreciating the looks of the Z3 more. Still debating and will be buying soon.
I owned an '06 Z4 3.0si, very nice. I now have an '01 Z3 3.0i. There are things like you I find way superior in Z4, but the steering feel is better, more roadster than sportscar... connected. Only driven it for a month so we'll see if it DD's as well as Z4. It's just about as fast still!!!
As a Z3 owner, I’m surprised you find your self sitting up to high. My car has an adjustable height feature that moves close two inches up and down. I’m well nestled down in the car when it’s all the way down, and do notice when it’s in the full up position. It is an older car and that’s the first thing I noticed when I bought it, but it is a lot of fun to drive which is why it’s mine. I have the 2.8 so it doesn’t lack too much in the power department. It has just enough to keep things exciting when I want.
Joel I have a manual 2000 z3 3.0 and the seat sits well and low, the power is fantastic. I just feel the z3 is so much more stylish than the z4. So much so the z3 will always be in a bit of a class of its own.
I think the seating position was a common complaint when they were new, it’s one of the things that put me off a z3 over a z4, the flip side is the z3 is much more pretty
I’m voting Z3! I think its retro looks and curvy design stand the test of time better. The lines of the Z4 have made it look dated already - inside and out - although, by no means unattractive. The Z4 might be more sophisticated in its driving…. but, I like a car that has quirky imperfections and needs to be driven!
Very nice and honest comparison. I will go for the Z3 all the same. Just love the design. Truth be told, if I had no limits in cash the Z8 would be my ultimate choice. But value for money the Z3 will do nicely 😊
Never noticed the bonnet shutline in the Z4 until I saw this review. Now I’ve seen it, don’t think I can un-see it. The Z3 with its clamshell is bang up the better looking car.
I appreciate your honesty. I don't have either car yet but I think I would prefer the higher seat. Many sports cars look uncomfortable for the longer-legged and sitting low on the road is a bit dangerous and hard to handle after one gets used to the view from a pickup truck.
Hi, very interesting. I bought a Z3 3ltr 2001 last year and have had fun making it mine. It was a barn find, stored in a container for 12 years, so mainly it needed to be used. During this year I removed the clutch damping valve, as I didn't like the general vagueness, especially during take off. It's much better now and I only found this mod by accident while watching a video on TH-cam. Secondly my car came with a hard top, which I fitted recently for the winter months. I would recommend you take my car for a spin - the difference is day and night. The clutch is now a real clutch and the body is so ridged I find I am holding the car back, so good. I will not rush to take the hard top off, also I kind of love the look.
Excellent review. Very thorough and it’s exactly the type of information I was looking for. The very fact that you started with the weights made me know I was in for a treat.
Great review, I also looked at the z3 when looking for a 2 seater a few weeks back (as well as mx5, boxster and slk) but I settled for a 2005 2.5se z4 and I'm loving it, not the quickest thing I've driven, but the sound more than makes up for it. If I had the money I'd have a z3 too, was never too sure about the z3 styling but it's definitely grown on me the more I looked at them.
good video, currently got a 2.8L Z3 the biggest issue is the economy, with the fuel going the way its going it gets a bit much for a daily, also the lack of just space to put your belongings can get annoying but the Z3 is good looking in most angles and driving the Z3 just puts a smile on your face especially when you get the tail out.
Not sure if the Z3 has it, but I drive a Z3 M Roadster and the seat can be adjusted UP and DOWN with the same control that moves the seat forward and back. I don't feel that I'm sitting ON the car as opposed to sitting IN the car with my M Roadster. Another reason some may feel they are sitting high on the seat is the fact that the doors are low, giving the impression that the seat might be higher.
The same with mine - the seat is adjusted for height through the electrical switches but the lowest setting just isn’t low enough in relation to the steering and the top of the windscreen! Mine didn’t have sports seats though which may have been a reason for it perhaps not going lower!
I never liked the looks of the Z3, but of course that's subjective. The Z4 is clearly the superior car being more modern and improved in many areas. Unless a roadster is your bag, I think the Z4 coupe is the top car. Tight as a drum, handsome looks and no convertible top issues (bad motor/linkages, leaks, security, etc). In about a year I'll look to change my toy from a BMW R1200GSA to a Z4 Coupe. Either spec (3.0Si or M) will do.
I haul used car's up in Washington State. A few weeks ago I hauled the first z3 with the hard top I'd ever seen. I always liked the little car but was a bit scared of a BMW to be honest. Well i had to have it so i bought it right off the Truck lol. I'm so happy I did. We have snow on the ground now and just tonight I took it for a drive to the store. If you want to get some looks in your roadster this will do it. Great review of both car's and I cant wait till summer gets here. Enjoy life and live it to the fullest. Merry Christmas to you all.
Your absolutely right. When I just purchased mine it came with a cat back and a cold air intake n loweing spings..But Bmw makes it sound really good with a BMW engine..Honestly out of the other cars I've had over the years this one actually does get complaints more then the Tesla I've had .But I've moved to england 🇬🇧 and in America they over price everything so here in England I could of got the z4 for the same price but because I'm kinda impatient and really wanted this ..I got a nice blue M sport roaster 2.8 and in england i spend most of my time in 3rd gear because of the village town I live in on the coast but heads turn everywhere...These cars are gonna go up in value because there are only so many that actually exist it seems but I'm gonna use this one as my project car and add little features such as under glows and definitely a Better sound system to bang out on the highway cruzing while getting passed by idiot's with egotistical ego's trying to test me which is korny .I just wanna chill and hear the roar of this engine ..But if anyone is looking to buy the z ..Definitely get a catback and manifold with intake system ..You will not regret it
I just bought a 2004 Z4 2.5 and I love it. It is so much fun, and I think much better looking than the Z3, which was great when it came out, but looks dated now.
Your Z3 seats are the basic model , the sports seats option is better the next is the Z3M Sports seats. Is your seat lowered to its lowest position ? I’m 5’ 9” and have no issues seat a little raised for comfortable driving. The 3 litre six is the one to go for in my humble opinion.
Fantastic review! You've got a real talent for this, very in depth analysis. Regarding your closing statement, specifically the z4 being a knock out in a boxing match, I would have to agree, from a pedestrian perspective the z4 is the superior car. With that being said, the e30 rear suspension can be tamed for about $1500 usd, and similar money will buy you sport seats similar to your z4 seats. Once you overcome those 2 hurdles, the z3 becomes the superior car on looks alone, in my opinion.
Z4 has no road feel at all. its more comfortable to sit in, but way less fun and engaging to drive. Z3 - well maintained and suspension properly set up - is so much more fun a car. thanks for the reviews
Hey, awesome review. In the US with a 2.5i Z3 now, and been tinkering with the idea of an upgrade. Enlightening stuff, gotta drive one next I think! P.S. You could do an AWESOME Chris Eccleston impression, I’m sure I’m not the first to tell you this hahaha.
The ergonomics of the z3 arent wrong, you are just too tall for it. The ergonomics are correct for a person like me at 5'10 because I am average height
The Z3 is ageing well, but after owning one, the fact you sit so high in it is totally at odds with being a sports car, and when you see other people out in them it looks slightly comical. The Z4 is much more masculine in its appearance and is very much of its Bangle Era. When sitting in it, you feel like you are in a proper roadster.
If you are going to review a Z3 vs Z4, then at least drive the 2.8 or 3.0 Z3, not the 2.2 and complain that it’s lower on power. Also no idea what you mean about sitting high - my wife’s Z3 (2.8) has electric seats that go down low. I’m just under 6’ and don’t feel like I’m sitting on it at all. Yes, it’s small inside with the roof up, but it’s a tiny car.
I thought that the 2.2 and the 2.5 were a good match for the test. And the seat was on its lowest setting but still felt too high, especially after back to back drives in the Z4!
@@FastandFun Late to the party, but you are not wrong. As far as I can tell from a limited amount of quick research. The 2.2/6 in the Z3 is the same motor as the 2.2/6 in my '04 Z4 2.2. That engine makes 168hp... Not sure why you thought it was 40 odd hp down on the 2.5 Z4. That engine only makes a bit more power... 21 bhp more than the 2.2, and a similar amount more torque. It's significant, but probably not that noticable, particularily when you take into account the extra weight of the Z4.
Wise decision it's much better, Look at the back of the Z3, Looks like an mx5 ffs, How people can say the Z3 is better looking I have no idea, Drop the Z4 30mm on some eibachs and put some deep dish 19in wider rears and the Z4 looks incredible, I don't dislike the Z3 but the rear is hideous, interior is absolute shite, The only bit I like is the front lol.
Great video. Talking of weight, the earliest 2.5 Z4 weighed in at 1335kg. The 2.8 Z3, 1380kg according to autocar, both hit the ton in 17.3 secs. I fancy a z4 myself. Amazing value in the current inflated market.
Buy one. Pay special attention to whether you're buying an SI or an S. The S has the older M52 engine which is an excellent engine but makes less HP per litre. The SI models get the newer N52 engine with the magnesium alloy block which revs much more freely and makes a noticeable amount more poke. You also get the M package which gives you six gears. The excellent M Seats and M suspension and alloys. All in all the 2006 2.5si is almost as quick as the earlier 3.0s with the older engine.
When the Z4 was released, car magazines praised the lower seating position and improved ride and handling from the rear Z-axle (instead of the primitive rear suspension on the Z3). But it got a fair share of criticism too. The electric power steering was numb, the car tended to understeer rather than be playful and the looks were polarizing, to say the least. Personally, the Z3 is too flawed and the Z4 is too ugly and boring to buy. I'd go for an older Boxster over either one. If I had to get a BMW cabriolet, I'd probably get an M3 cabrio, which has the same suspension as the Z4, even more power and is less ugly to look at (more practical too). Older M3s are still pretty cheap to buy.
The Z4 is a much better looking car IMO. The Z3 just looks like something out of the BMW surplus parts bin! 😂 (Yes i own a Z4 Coupe so i am slightly biased in my opinion!)
I might be bias, but the Z4 Coupe is significantly better looking than both of these. The side indicator on the 4 is quite ugly, but you didn't mention the fact it has the lines of an actual Z which shows up better on other colours
Z4 has no visual character whatsoever. The initial shots of their 2 noses side by side tells the story. Of course the 4 will be better on the road with its updated suspension and design, it is a newer car! I would take the 3 without hesitation.
@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 so you don’t like my views and decide to attack me as a person! Why not use your intellect and explain your thoughts to help others form a view? I’m not here to please everyone, I can’t, I’m hear to say what I feel. Take that however you like, but please leave my size out of the discussion!
@@FastandFun Sir you do look like a big farm boy in speech and manners. There is no insult there. You are also sitting in a tiny roadster that was made so you can literally FEEL the asphalt. I'm not here to help others Jesus. TF does that even mean man. Who are you? Don't come at me with that altruism mickey mouse bs trying to lecture me on morals and ethics you somehow have and I don't. Please. You uploaded a video. I watch your video, you may not like that I can comment on it as well as I see fit. I did not ask you to review these cars. Nobody did. You just like to vent your - really not so great - opinions in grandiose ways. I am more modest ;;) I just know how they drive and the Z3 is a great car. So are a lot of roadsters. You need to get over your self.
Utter shit. I've owned both z3 and z4 both 6 pot and tbh the z4 very uningageing.. designed for women snd the younger generation. The z3 was from the era where if you don't know how to "drive" you shouldn't be driving one!
I went to Japan 4 yrs ago bought 4 vehicles 1 Z 3 can't remember the yr maybe 2001 6 cylinder I've had so many car's in my life. It had ONLY 50, kms immaculate condition you won't believe how much $ 1,300. Canadian dollars I could only resale for 7 K but import and Mechanical inspection turned into $ 4 k ☹️💰 the Z 3 love the looks I think the Z 4 is UGLY !!
Sorry cannot agree with you, would not change my 2.8 Z3 for all the tea in China. Z4 in my opinion looks like a jelly mold, but of course its all subjective, we all like different things good video, thank you.
Speaking as a z3 m sport owner… in you sell your z3, you’re going to absolutely kickings yourself in the arse in 10 years… z3 was the LAST truly analogue car from BMW, ULTIMATE driving machine! 😍
I had a Z3. When it was launched cars were more angular and its curves weren't popular at the time. However, its looks have aged well and it is now a lovely looking, classic BMW car. I agree that the Z3 suspension set up (particularly at the rear) is an older design. People often say the Z3 suspension/steering is not good but that's usually an opinion based on an old car with tired suspension. I refreshed mine with all new shocks and poly bushes and it made a massive improvement for modest cost. For a weekend, top down, fun car they are great.
Z3 all day
I have owned a 1.9,2.5 and currently the M 3.2. I love the Z3M. They are all great!
I think the Z3 has aged better than the Z4. Both still fun cars!.
I much prefer the Z3. Looks better in my opinion and is more fun to drive.
Well , i have a 2.2i roadster 1902 june zed . I picked it up 15 months ago with 10.7 miles on the clock ( now at 14.8) . The car still has all the original kit including the tyres, this guy who ddid the reviw ( in his opinion) did not mention the seats are electrical adjustable fron to back and floor to ceali g , my seats are leather and no way do i fi d them slippy . The weight ratio is 50/50 so i find the handling absolutely reat , it just make me smile when i take it out , my wife adores the car , and people come up to me and say what a beautiful car . I had the car in for 4 days to have Gtechnic ceramic rerum coating on the body wheels and glass , so it looks in almost showroom condition . We have looked at the latest x4 ( 59k ) for the top speck , and it is fantastic, but we can buy a lot of sunny holidays with that money , so for now the z3 meets all our expectations.....
I have this exact car. E85 Z4 2.5si.
An important factor in this review is the si trim came with both the higher tuned N52 so we get a triple Vanos (variable intake timing, variable Intake length and variable tuned variable exhaust)
The Si trim also gets the M sports suspension which makes the handling much sportier.
We also get the sixth gear.
This gives us closer ratios resulting a far sportier gearbox.
All in all the si is a bargain and the 2.5si seriously rivals and earlier 3.0M54.
I still kinda want a 3.4 Boxster S.
Luv and Peace.
I wanted to buy 3,0i or 2,5si because 6sp manual gearbox. I choosed 2,5si because there were a more cars with M-sport seats and i really like it. Even it is in complete original, its feel like a really sporty car.
The Z3 is just absolutely beautiful and truly stands the test of time. Its one of my top 5 most beautiful cars ever.
I owned a z3 and I am thinking of buying one again but I really share your conclusion. The difference gets even more important on long trips but the z3 looks so amazing. difficult choice. Great vid.
That e85 is a face-lift car and it's also equipped with the optional M sport seats so that wasn't a fair comparison to the Z3 with its standard seats.
I had a Z3 and loved it. It was written off when an old lady reversed her SUV into it. I looked long and hard for a replacement Z3 but couldn't find a tidy one. Then a friend asked me if I'd like to try his Z4... Suffice to say, I stopped looking for a Z3 and bought a Z4. The later car is in a different league.
I own a Mercedes Slk 55amg; a BMW 135i, and 2 Fiat Coupe 20vt's, Passat w8, Abarth 500 and more... I think a z3 3.0 manual is a good choice for a working man with an endless passion for cars, and too many bills. I am confident you guys and gals can appreciate that. I look forward to seeing how the Z3 goes, I am sure I won't have the ability to our drive it to anywhere near its limits. At my age I think beauty out weighs down right performance. Great review, I look forward to more reviews, who knows what I will buy next.... And then a year or so later I brought a Z4M roadster, in red, but you know I doubt one person in a thousand would know what it was, lucky me, I do...
Great choice of cars 👍🏻
Z3 for ever
I always loved the bmw Z3 since I was a kid it's my dream bmw
But the saddest part I will never afford one because it's so expensive
Thank you! I was waiting for a good review between the Z3 v Z4.I got to say I'm still leaning towards the Z3. Always loved the Z4 but recently I'm appreciating the looks of the Z3 more. Still debating and will be buying soon.
Z4 is too ugly imo. Z3 is a classic design which I believe will ultimately be more valued by collectors
I owned an '06 Z4 3.0si, very nice. I now have an '01 Z3 3.0i. There are things like you I find way superior in Z4, but the steering feel is better, more roadster than sportscar... connected. Only driven it for a month so we'll see if it DD's as well as Z4. It's just about as fast still!!!
As a Z3 owner, I’m surprised you find your self sitting up to high. My car has an adjustable height feature that moves close two inches up and down. I’m well nestled down in the car when it’s all the way down, and do notice when it’s in the full up position. It is an older car and that’s the first thing I noticed when I bought it, but it is a lot of fun to drive which is why it’s mine. I have the 2.8 so it doesn’t lack too much in the power department. It has just enough to keep things exciting when I want.
Joel I have a manual 2000 z3 3.0 and the seat sits well and low, the power is fantastic. I just feel the z3 is so much more stylish than the z4. So much so the z3 will always be in a bit of a class of its own.
I think the seating position was a common complaint when they were new, it’s one of the things that put me off a z3 over a z4, the flip side is the z3 is much more pretty
It's definitely the Z3!
I’m voting Z3! I think its retro looks and curvy design stand the test of time better. The lines of the Z4 have made it look dated already - inside and out - although, by no means unattractive. The Z4 might be more sophisticated in its driving…. but, I like a car that has quirky imperfections and needs to be driven!
Z3 looks sexier
The Z3 M Roadster, with wide fenders and deep set wheels is sports car. The z4 reminds me when the 55 T bird evolved into 59 4 seater.
Great analogy.
Very nice and honest comparison. I will go for the Z3 all the same. Just love the design. Truth be told, if I had no limits in cash the Z8 would be my ultimate choice. But value for money the Z3 will do nicely 😊
Z3 is fast becoming a sort after classic, it is ageing incredibly well where as the z4's looks are unfortunately becoming quite dated.
Never noticed the bonnet shutline in the Z4 until I saw this review. Now I’ve seen it, don’t think I can un-see it. The Z3 with its clamshell is bang up the better looking car.
The Z4 has a Z in it's bodywork tho.
How cool is that?
Luv and Peace.
I appreciate your honesty.
I don't have either car yet but I think I would prefer the higher seat. Many sports cars look uncomfortable for the longer-legged and sitting low on the road is a bit dangerous and hard to handle after one gets used to the view from a pickup truck.
Hi, very interesting.
I bought a Z3 3ltr 2001 last year and have had fun making it mine.
It was a barn find, stored in a container for 12 years, so mainly it needed to be used.
During this year I removed the clutch damping valve, as I didn't like the general vagueness, especially during take off.
It's much better now and I only found this mod by accident while watching a video on TH-cam.
Secondly my car came with a hard top, which I fitted recently for the winter months.
I would recommend you take my car for a spin - the difference is day and night.
The clutch is now a real clutch and the body is so ridged I find I am holding the car back, so good.
I will not rush to take the hard top off, also I kind of love the look.
Score!
Excellent review. Very thorough and it’s exactly the type of information I was looking for. The very fact that you started with the weights made me know I was in for a treat.
I have both ..both auto 2001 z3 2.5 and 2002 z4 3.0. I prefer the
Z4. I like both cars !
Great review, I also looked at the z3 when looking for a 2 seater a few weeks back (as well as mx5, boxster and slk) but I settled for a 2005 2.5se z4 and I'm loving it, not the quickest thing I've driven, but the sound more than makes up for it. If I had the money I'd have a z3 too, was never too sure about the z3 styling but it's definitely grown on me the more I looked at them.
I don’t like the look of the z3. But the z4 looks great, i don’t know if i want the z4 or a boxter.
good video, currently got a 2.8L Z3 the biggest issue is the economy, with the fuel going the way its going it gets a bit much for a daily, also the lack of just space to put your belongings can get annoying but the Z3 is good looking in most angles and driving the Z3 just puts a smile on your face especially when you get the tail out.
Z3 in looks but z4 much composed and grippy on the road. (Considering out of factory setups)
Thank you for your video. Now I need to go drive one of each and figure out which I prefer. Just want something to cruise the backroads.
Not sure if the Z3 has it, but I drive a Z3 M Roadster and the seat can be adjusted UP and DOWN with the same control that moves the seat forward and back. I don't feel that I'm sitting ON the car as opposed to sitting IN the car with my M Roadster. Another reason some may feel they are sitting high on the seat is the fact that the doors are low, giving the impression that the seat might be higher.
The same with mine - the seat is adjusted for height through the electrical switches but the lowest setting just isn’t low enough in relation to the steering and the top of the windscreen! Mine didn’t have sports seats though which may have been a reason for it perhaps not going lower!
I never liked the looks of the Z3, but of course that's subjective. The Z4 is clearly the superior car being more modern and improved in many areas. Unless a roadster is your bag, I think the Z4 coupe is the top car. Tight as a drum, handsome looks and no convertible top issues (bad motor/linkages, leaks, security, etc). In about a year I'll look to change my toy from a BMW R1200GSA to a Z4 Coupe. Either spec (3.0Si or M) will do.
I haul used car's up in Washington State. A few weeks ago I hauled the first z3 with the hard top I'd ever seen. I always liked the little car but was a bit scared of a BMW to be honest. Well i had to have it so i bought it right off the Truck lol. I'm so happy I did. We have snow on the ground now and just tonight I took it for a drive to the store. If you want to get some looks in your roadster this will do it. Great review of both car's and I cant wait till summer gets here. Enjoy life and live it to the fullest. Merry Christmas to you all.
Way to snatch up that sweet opportunity!
Your absolutely right. When I just purchased mine it came with a cat back and a cold air intake n loweing spings..But Bmw makes it sound really good with a BMW engine..Honestly out of the other cars I've had over the years this one actually does get complaints more then the Tesla I've had .But I've moved to england 🇬🇧 and in America they over price everything so here in England I could of got the z4 for the same price but because I'm kinda impatient and really wanted this ..I got a nice blue M sport roaster 2.8 and in england i spend most of my time in 3rd gear because of the village town I live in on the coast but heads turn everywhere...These cars are gonna go up in value because there are only so many that actually exist it seems but I'm gonna use this one as my project car and add little features such as under glows and definitely a Better sound system to bang out on the highway cruzing while getting passed by idiot's with egotistical ego's trying to test me which is korny .I just wanna chill and hear the roar of this engine ..But if anyone is looking to buy the z ..Definitely get a catback and manifold with intake system ..You will not regret it
I just bought a 2004 Z4 2.5 and I love it. It is so much fun, and I think much better looking than the Z3, which was great when it came out, but looks dated now.
The z4 seems to have either optional sports seats or z4m seats. The original seats are not as bolstered and more similar to z3's.
They are the standard seats in the SI Sports Z4s
Z3 love it
Your Z3 seats are the basic model , the sports seats option is better the next is the Z3M Sports seats. Is your seat lowered to its lowest position ? I’m 5’ 9” and have no issues seat a little raised for comfortable driving. The 3 litre six is the one to go for in my humble opinion.
Yes, my seat was on the lowest position! LoL I can only assume that the sports seats you sit lower than with the std seats.
Fantastic review! You've got a real talent for this, very in depth analysis. Regarding your closing statement, specifically the z4 being a knock out in a boxing match, I would have to agree, from a pedestrian perspective the z4 is the superior car. With that being said, the e30 rear suspension can be tamed for about $1500 usd, and similar money will buy you sport seats similar to your z4 seats. Once you overcome those 2 hurdles, the z3 becomes the superior car on looks alone, in my opinion.
I like the Z4 but heard too many stories about the dreaded lifter tick problem.
The “tick” isn’t usually lifters, it’s the vanos. All the 6cyl bmws have the same system. Both z3 and z4.
I think they screwed up the 4 by changing the hood. The 3 looks way better to me. The ugly break between hood and grille on the 4 screws it up. Imo
Z4 has no road feel at all. its more comfortable to sit in, but way less fun and engaging to drive. Z3 - well maintained and suspension properly set up - is so much more fun a car. thanks for the reviews
Looking at z3s and z4s but I’m based in cyprus so limited options. Which engines would people recommend for each model?
@@chrisballantyne any of the 6 cylinder engines
@@FastandFun only clean z3 example I can find here is 1.9 M44B19 (140bhp). So only a 4 pot. Yay or nay in your view?
@@chrisballantyne it’s a nay from me, if you’re going 4-pot go mx5, Miata, Eunos (depending where you are!)
Hey, awesome review. In the US with a 2.5i Z3 now, and been tinkering with the idea of an upgrade. Enlightening stuff, gotta drive one next I think! P.S. You could do an AWESOME Chris Eccleston impression, I’m sure I’m not the first to tell you this hahaha.
Just a bit fatter than him …. 🤣🤣 and a bit poorer too! 😳
The ergonomics of the z3 arent wrong, you are just too tall for it. The ergonomics are correct for a person like me at 5'10 because I am average height
The Z3 is ageing well, but after owning one, the fact you sit so high in it is totally at odds with being a sports car, and when you see other people out in them it looks slightly comical. The Z4 is much more masculine in its appearance and is very much of its Bangle Era. When sitting in it, you feel like you are in a proper roadster.
If you are going to review a Z3 vs Z4, then at least drive the 2.8 or 3.0 Z3, not the 2.2 and complain that it’s lower on power. Also no idea what you mean about sitting high - my wife’s Z3 (2.8) has electric seats that go down low. I’m just under 6’ and don’t feel like I’m sitting on it at all. Yes, it’s small inside with the roof up, but it’s a tiny car.
I thought that the 2.2 and the 2.5 were a good match for the test. And the seat was on its lowest setting but still felt too high, especially after back to back drives in the Z4!
@@FastandFun Late to the party, but you are not wrong. As far as I can tell from a limited amount of quick research. The 2.2/6 in the Z3 is the same motor as the 2.2/6 in my '04 Z4 2.2. That engine makes 168hp... Not sure why you thought it was 40 odd hp down on the 2.5 Z4. That engine only makes a bit more power... 21 bhp more than the 2.2, and a similar amount more torque. It's significant, but probably not that noticable, particularily when you take into account the extra weight of the Z4.
I test drove both. I bought the Z4, it wasn’t even close!
Wise decision it's much better, Look at the back of the Z3, Looks like an mx5 ffs, How people can say the Z3 is better looking I have no idea, Drop the Z4 30mm on some eibachs and put some deep dish 19in wider rears and the Z4 looks incredible, I don't dislike the Z3 but the rear is hideous, interior is absolute shite, The only bit I like is the front lol.
Great video. Talking of weight, the earliest 2.5 Z4 weighed in at 1335kg. The 2.8 Z3, 1380kg according to autocar, both hit the ton in 17.3 secs. I fancy a z4 myself. Amazing value in the current inflated market.
Buy one. Pay special attention to whether you're buying an SI or an S. The S has the older M52 engine which is an excellent engine but makes less HP per litre. The SI models get the newer N52 engine with the magnesium alloy block which revs much more freely and makes a noticeable amount more poke. You also get the M package which gives you six gears. The excellent M Seats and M suspension and alloys.
All in all the 2006 2.5si is almost as quick as the earlier 3.0s with the older engine.
When the Z4 was released, car magazines praised the lower seating position and improved ride and handling from the rear Z-axle (instead of the primitive rear suspension on the Z3). But it got a fair share of criticism too. The electric power steering was numb, the car tended to understeer rather than be playful and the looks were polarizing, to say the least. Personally, the Z3 is too flawed and the Z4 is too ugly and boring to buy. I'd go for an older Boxster over either one. If I had to get a BMW cabriolet, I'd probably get an M3 cabrio, which has the same suspension as the Z4, even more power and is less ugly to look at (more practical too). Older M3s are still pretty cheap to buy.
The Z4 is a much better looking car IMO. The Z3 just looks like something out of the BMW surplus parts bin! 😂 (Yes i own a Z4 Coupe so i am slightly biased in my opinion!)
I have to ask why the British say Zed instead of Zee? That's done with Kawasakis Z series as well. Just curious.
In the UK we “say the name” of the letter, rather than “pronounce” the letter.
@@FastandFundo you think Americans pronounce "w" as "dubbleyew"?
Well it definitely wouldn't be your hairdressers car, he'd be lucky to afford a knackered astra ! Hahahaah
I might be bias, but the Z4 Coupe is significantly better looking than both of these. The side indicator on the 4 is quite ugly, but you didn't mention the fact it has the lines of an actual Z which shows up better on other colours
The Z4 is ugly as sin, its all about the Z3.
Driving the entry level Z series?
Driving two comparable car’s
Z4 has no visual character whatsoever. The initial shots of their 2 noses side by side tells the story. Of course the 4 will be better on the road with its updated suspension and design, it is a newer car! I would take the 3 without hesitation.
Also checking resale values in my area of Canada. The newest 3's are very much more expensive than the oldest 4's. The market speaks!
Z4.
The best z3 are about the same money that the worst Z4
Put your collar down.
Will try better next time
Z1
It is not that big pf a difference.... z4 better but by little...
Bro goes to drive a ROADSTER then complains about it being “too direct” ..please.
Farmboy also a big guy that has no business sitting in a z3 or 4..
@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 so you don’t like my views and decide to attack me as a person! Why not use your intellect and explain your thoughts to help others form a view? I’m not here to please everyone, I can’t, I’m hear to say what I feel. Take that however you like, but please leave my size out of the discussion!
@@FastandFun Sir you do look like a big farm boy in speech and manners. There is no insult there. You are also sitting in a tiny roadster that was made so you can literally FEEL the asphalt.
I'm not here to help others Jesus. TF does that even mean man. Who are you? Don't come at me with that altruism mickey mouse bs trying to lecture me on morals and ethics you somehow have and I don't. Please.
You uploaded a video. I watch your video, you may not like that I can comment on it as well as I see fit. I did not ask you to review these cars. Nobody did. You just like to vent your - really not so great - opinions in grandiose ways. I am more modest ;;) I just know how they drive and the Z3 is a great car. So are a lot of roadsters.
You need to get over your self.
Utter shit. I've owned both z3 and z4 both 6 pot and tbh the z4 very uningageing.. designed for women snd the younger generation. The z3 was from the era where if you don't know how to "drive" you shouldn't be driving one!
I went to Japan 4 yrs ago bought 4 vehicles 1 Z 3 can't remember the yr maybe 2001 6 cylinder I've had so many car's in my life. It had ONLY 50, kms immaculate condition you won't believe how much
$ 1,300. Canadian dollars I could only resale for 7 K but import and Mechanical inspection turned into $ 4 k ☹️💰 the Z 3 love the looks I think the Z 4 is UGLY !!
Sorry cannot agree with you, would not change my 2.8 Z3 for all the tea in China. Z4 in my opinion looks like a jelly mold, but of course its all subjective, we all like different things good video, thank you.
Z4 all day long
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