The guy wearing the sunnies had already made up his mind. It didn’t matter what historical evidence Cliffe put to him. His arrogance wasn’t an endearing trait. Regardless, his disbelief doesn’t change anything about the historical narrative of Jesus Christ. I hope he is doing okay wherever he is today.
Jesus' resurrection from the dead is a historical fact: More than 500 people are eyewitnesses to his resurrection, and there is no doubt whatsoever that it really happened.
That first guy was annoying. Constant interruptions, & responding to arguments that weren't presented. Basically in his mind he was 2 steps ahead of Kliffe. In his mind he "knows everything". LoL.
This guy can't find Jesus for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. No doubt his dubious lifestyle is something he is a enslaved to. And BTW, the 1000s of 1st and 2nd century Christians buried under the coliseum, attest to the fact they wouldn't abandon what knew to be true. As prof' Graham Clarke said "I know of no ancient history professor who has the slightest doubt as to the historicity of Jesus.
Some of the things that Cliff brings up in this video are amazing, because it shows that he really studied. Often, he doesn't go deep on things. I mean archaeology regarding farm tools and inscriptions from Nazareth. That's awesome.
Brucev7 i am not a part of any denomination, although i recently found out not belong part of a denomination is now a denomination lol............ Anyways i follow Yeshua, i get my teachings from many teachers and have found some beautiful insights this way i never would have discovered. Anyways my life consist of me waking up, and learning as much as i can about the Jewish culture, the past, science history everything i can get my hands on so that my understanding of scriptures keeps moving forward. I am not the type of person who just takes peoples word for things, if there is evidence for a flood i want to see it, if there is evidence for design in the universe i want to see it, if there is evidence for past biblical events i want to see it, you get the picture lol. I do not belong to a denomination because its foolish to think that a single denomination has all its theology nicely packed away, i am always open for a better understanding, a more historically correct understanding, and to do that you can't be weighed down by dogmatically held doctrine. Now i have a system of accepting and reflecting doctrines which i am not familiar with, i do not just accept new doctrine either, it has to be biblical and it has to be better at explaining bible verses than what i originally held onto. I am nuts for Yeshua man, i wonder how people can't be, what is better than Yeshua ?
Joshua Hults It is special to hunger for more of God's Word, His Son Lord Jesus Christ, YeshuaHaMashiach. To live as Christ. God bless. John 14:6 1 John 3:8
Wow. That first guy asks a question and talks all over you when you answer! HE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!! He just wants to shout statements! He's just an angry hurting person. EVEN IF he found the evidence that Cliffe was talking about on Google.... (Lol Google is a reliable source) He'd ignore it and carry on shouting. I hope he watched himself back! His behaviour was disgusting and disrespectful. Far more offensive than anything he's "challenging"!!
The evidence statement that Cliffe describes is important. Even when your determining ones character, you can kind of get a good idea by the evidence of how they live their lives and if their actions are genuine or not.
this is an amazing explanation , he truly is blessed bu god to be able to answer and have the great knowledge of our creator and Jesus , god bless you and all our families .. great work for us to understand ...
There were dozens of opportunities to point out that the first kid had no clue what he was talking about and all he had were strawman arguments. I genuinely wonder why Cliffe didn't address most of the obvious strawman arguments that were being given. I'm sure there's a reason, I just don't know it yet.
This first kid is being illogical and talking out his ear, obviously because he's bitter and contrary. I don't think I've heard more argumentation from a student that is more illogical or is just arguing for argument's sake in other videos of Cliffe's so far. I hope this young man is ok now and has found a way to make peace with his past and has dealt with his bitterness. God Bless him AND Cliffe.
Cliffe I hope to someday meet you and man I would love a Bible Study with you as well as pick you brain. I want to be an apologist like you someday. God Bless you!
Any evidence that cliff gives that meet his (sunglasses guy) criteria for something the sunglasses guy would accept he would refuse anyway. He just doesn’t want to accept anything even when it meets his own standards.
Pastor Cliffe, Thank you for your Ministry, Devotion and Great Joyful Heart for " Sovereign Father and Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit " MARK 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. HALLELUJAH AMEN
Truth can be known by coming to Jesus or reading what he has said. The world was made through Jesus Christ. see Gospel of John Chapter 1. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit and our twisted minds too. see www.gotquestions.org
Live science did an article on 1st century Nazareth in 2014. What amazes me is that these kids speak ignorance as fact. If you're not 100 percent why be a flash witness to something. Clearly he didn't know and looked kind of foolish once Cliff started to explain. .
what was up with that guy 1st half of video, he had a score to settle !! My guess is some Christians rubbed him the wrong way in the past, and he is taking it out on Cliff now, that or he thinks he's running for Miss america with those responses.
As to the guy in red, he has an emotional problem with God and shows that he is as closed-minded and dogmatic as anyone he dislikes. I would have brought up the historians Tacitus, Seutonius, and Josephus, among other outside sources that confirm the existence of Jesus and what believers believed about him.
When cliff gave evidence that met the criteria for reliable evidence according to red shirt he still refused it, so he’s not worth talking to because he’s being hypocritical, “I’ll accept evidence when it proves the Bible wrong but not accept evidence to prove the Bible true even when it meets my standard” it’s a simple fact he’s running from God and will rationalize anyway to never be held accountable.
@@AS-bs8xvBased on another video that has this red shirt guy, probably on this exact day, he says that he dislikes God because he was going through an internal struggle when he was young that he prayed to God multiple times to help him with it, and God didn’t answer his prayer according to what he said. Because of that, his heart was hardened towards God.
I do question though what verse this man is getting "uphold he law". Matthew 5:17 says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFIL." The Greek word underlying "fulfil" is πληρόω (plēroō) which means "to fill". This is right in line with what Paul speaks. Romans 10:4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. The Greek word underlying "end" is τέλος (telos) which may also be translated as completion. He is the fulfilment of the law. It is not that Christ destroyed it. He fulfilled it. That is why we are no longer under it. Individual words matter too.
that's freewill for you mate, your profane remarks. I hope you know understand. But remember there will be a judgement day, regardless of whether you believe In JESUS or not
Always sad to see how stupid smart people can be. Always sad to see the anger and the ignorance of their "free logical thinking". Always sad to the their bad manners, dont let the other person speak without interrupting and raising their voices. But if they are told stupid incorrect things in their classes they would be silenty believe whatever without complaining and be thankful foe it
Sun glasses guy made my head hurt. He seriously brought up statues as a point of historical evidence. His analogy’s are so horrible. The napkin point literally made no sense either.
This guy can't find Jesus for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. No doubt his dubious lifestyle is something he is a enslaved to. And BTW, the 1000s of 1st and 2nd century Christians buried under the coliseum, attest to the fact they wouldn't abandon what knew to be true. As prof' Graham Clarke said "I know of no ancient history professor who has the slightest doubt as to the historicity of Jesus.
I think confirmation bias plays a huge part in our lives, and that begins from a very early age, if you were raised in, lets say Saudi Arabia, you would almost certainly have a firm belief in Islam and a Muslim way of life. It doesn't make sense to me that if the Christian God was real, that he would allow people to be raised in "the wrong faith", surely if we're all his children, as he claims, we'd all be raised into the Christian faith. But that isn't the case, travel around the world and you will encounter a multitude of wildly varying faiths.
+James S Hi James, yes probably if you are raised in the western world with access to the internet I agree you will also have access to other faiths, but that's not the case in other parts of the world, particularly in poorer parts of the globe, if, for instance, you were born and raised in Pakistan, it's highly likely you would now be a Muslim, 98% of that country follows the Islamic faith, if what you were saying was true Pakistan would be a plethora of differing faiths, but it's not, and the same goes for many other middle eastern countries. Almost every country has a dominant religion. Many Islamic countries also have the apostasy law in operation which prevents people from leaving the faith. You spoke about 'truth' ..what do you consider to be the truth btw?
***** Hi James, thanks for that long reply, it was an interesting read. As I don't believe in God not a lot of what you said made sense. I don't believe ANY person deserves eternal damnation for their actions, even people who have done really bad things. One of the problems with Christianity as i see it is that, if you have lived a life killing and raping, if, on your deathbed you genuinely ask for forgiveness and accept Christ, you will go to heaven according to Christianity. However, an atheist like me, because I reject Christ it doesn't matter how good I've been in my life, because I don't accept Christ as my savior, i will spend eternity in hell. That cannot be right that someone who spent his life killing and raping gets rewarded, whereas another person who has led a good life, but simply rejects Christ, he gets punished.. If God thinks that is just, then i want nothing to do with it.
@@alfonzofields5352 That's ok if you believe that. Generally in life, if we do things wrong against other people we know that there are consequences for our actions. We're all raised to know right from wrong. How was the world any different the day after Jesus died on the cross? As far as i can tell people still sinned as much as they did before.
What was up with that dude...so much anger for a so called mystical Jesus that he so calls ..if Jesus is a myth then why the hate for something that doesn't exist...so he says..
I loved how patient Cliffe was, and really stuck to the point and not let the other guy's emote deter him. God bless you Cliffe!
The guy wearing the sunnies had already made up his mind. It didn’t matter what historical evidence Cliffe put to him. His arrogance wasn’t an endearing trait. Regardless, his disbelief doesn’t change anything about the historical narrative of Jesus Christ. I hope he is doing okay wherever he is today.
Jesus' resurrection from the dead is a historical fact: More than 500 people are eyewitnesses to his resurrection, and there is no doubt whatsoever that it really happened.
The sunglasses guy wrecked his own arguments.
I'm starting to realise that it's quite clear that they know Jesus is God, they just don't want him to be, and are trying to convince themselves.
God bless Pastor for his willing service to the kingdom. Acts 17:11
I would love to see an uncut video all through the whole thing
I want uncut videos of the entire meet up every time….lol i love these GIVE US MORE
bruh, i am of the worst of sinners and it aCHES my heart how hardened some people are
Man that first guy was so mad judging by his voice over something he doesn’t believe in
That first guy was annoying. Constant interruptions, & responding to arguments that weren't presented. Basically in his mind he was 2 steps ahead of Kliffe. In his mind he "knows everything". LoL.
Yeah, quite the intellectual elitist.
This guy can't find Jesus for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. No doubt his dubious lifestyle is something he is a enslaved to. And BTW, the 1000s of 1st and 2nd century Christians buried under the coliseum, attest to the fact they wouldn't abandon what knew to be true. As prof' Graham Clarke said "I know of no ancient history professor who has the slightest doubt as to the historicity of Jesus.
I know! I was trying to control my temper! God is good!
9:45
Ok. George Washing and the Cherry Tree. Perfect come back. I only thought of it because of a separate Give Me an Answer.
When in doubt use your phone and Google things lol Great video Cliff
Some of the things that Cliff brings up in this video are amazing, because it shows that he really studied. Often, he doesn't go deep on things. I mean archaeology regarding farm tools and inscriptions from Nazareth. That's awesome.
Are these the future of the people in the west? My goodness.
its not the future, its the present, buckle up !
Joshua Hults
The church in the US is lukewarm, at best. "Do not love the world..."
Brucev7 i am not a part of any denomination, although i recently found out not belong part of a denomination is now a denomination lol............ Anyways i follow Yeshua, i get my teachings from many teachers and have found some beautiful insights this way i never would have discovered.
Anyways my life consist of me waking up, and learning as much as i can about the Jewish culture, the past, science history everything i can get my hands on so that my understanding of scriptures keeps moving forward.
I am not the type of person who just takes peoples word for things, if there is evidence for a flood i want to see it, if there is evidence for design in the universe i want to see it, if there is evidence for past biblical events i want to see it, you get the picture lol.
I do not belong to a denomination because its foolish to think that a single denomination has all its theology nicely packed away, i am always open for a better understanding, a more historically correct understanding, and to do that you can't be weighed down by dogmatically held doctrine.
Now i have a system of accepting and reflecting doctrines which i am not familiar with, i do not just accept new doctrine either, it has to be biblical and it has to be better at explaining bible verses than what i originally held onto.
I am nuts for Yeshua man, i wonder how people can't be, what is better than Yeshua ?
Joshua Hults
It is special to hunger for more of God's Word, His Son Lord Jesus Christ, YeshuaHaMashiach. To live as Christ. God bless. John 14:6 1 John 3:8
Ah the old "Google Retreat" LOL. Great job Cliffe!
Wow. That first guy asks a question and talks all over you when you answer! HE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!! He just wants to shout statements! He's just an angry hurting person. EVEN IF he found the evidence that Cliffe was talking about on Google.... (Lol Google is a reliable source) He'd ignore it and carry on shouting. I hope he watched himself back! His behaviour was disgusting and disrespectful. Far more offensive than anything he's "challenging"!!
The evidence statement that Cliffe describes is important. Even when your determining ones character, you can kind of get a good idea by the evidence of how they live their lives and if their actions are genuine or not.
this is an amazing explanation , he truly is blessed bu god to be able to answer and have the great knowledge of our creator and Jesus , god bless you and all our families .. great work for us to understand ...
There were dozens of opportunities to point out that the first kid had no clue what he was talking about and all he had were strawman arguments.
I genuinely wonder why Cliffe didn't address most of the obvious strawman arguments that were being given.
I'm sure there's a reason, I just don't know it yet.
This first kid is being illogical and talking out his ear, obviously because he's bitter and contrary. I don't think I've heard more argumentation from a student that is more illogical or is just arguing for argument's sake in other videos of Cliffe's so far. I hope this young man is ok now and has found a way to make peace with his past and has dealt with his bitterness. God Bless him AND Cliffe.
Cliffe I hope to someday meet you and man I would love a Bible Study with you as well as pick you brain. I want to be an apologist like you someday. God Bless you!
Any evidence that cliff gives that meet his (sunglasses guy) criteria for something the sunglasses guy would accept he would refuse anyway. He just doesn’t want to accept anything even when it meets his own standards.
Agreed…. It’s a hardened heart
mmm What an arrogant little twerp that Guy was...Well done and God Bless you Cliff!
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Pastor Cliffe, Thank you for your Ministry, Devotion and Great Joyful Heart for " Sovereign Father and Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit " MARK 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. HALLELUJAH AMEN
Cliffe’s tolerance was severely tested with the 1st Student….SEVERELY !!
God bless you Cliffe
The first guy is quite ignorant of history and very proud of it.
You’re amazing Cliffe ❤️
God bless you sir
LOL he using google!
excellent video
i wish Cliff would have spoken about how the tomb was sealed with a thick iron nail.
Truth can be known by coming to Jesus or reading what he has said. The world was made through Jesus Christ. see Gospel of John Chapter 1. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit and our twisted minds too. see www.gotquestions.org
I need the patience of Job...
Dude is running from GOD
So we’ll put Cliff!
Live science did an article on 1st century Nazareth in 2014. What amazes me is that these kids speak ignorance as fact. If you're not 100 percent why be a flash witness to something. Clearly he didn't know and looked kind of foolish once Cliff started to explain. .
I really like it
what was up with that guy 1st half of video, he had a score to settle !! My guess is some Christians rubbed him the wrong way in the past, and he is taking it out on Cliff now, that or he thinks he's running for Miss america with those responses.
As to the guy in red, he has an emotional problem with God and shows that he is as closed-minded and dogmatic as anyone he dislikes. I would have brought up the historians Tacitus, Seutonius, and Josephus, among other outside sources that confirm the existence of Jesus and what believers believed about him.
When cliff gave evidence that met the criteria for reliable evidence according to red shirt he still refused it, so he’s not worth talking to because he’s being hypocritical, “I’ll accept evidence when it proves the Bible wrong but not accept evidence to prove the Bible true even when it meets my standard” it’s a simple fact he’s running from God and will rationalize anyway to never be held accountable.
The same people also whine about why such a loving God send people to hell , when they themselves made up their minds not to go where He lives.
@@AS-bs8xvBased on another video that has this red shirt guy, probably on this exact day, he says that he dislikes God because he was going through an internal struggle when he was young that he prayed to God multiple times to help him with it, and God didn’t answer his prayer according to what he said. Because of that, his heart was hardened towards God.
4:02 Cliffe be ballin
This is your mind on atheism:
Goal post -> goal post -> goal post
Roman and Jewish historians wrote about Christ. Labeling him as a preacher who took part in sorcery
"KAREEM!" 4:02
😂😂
Such an angry little gay man.
Deuteronomy 28, Joshua 1:7-8
Matthew 28:18,
John 11:25-26,
Romans 10:9-13,
1 Corinthians 13:8-13,
I do question though what verse this man is getting "uphold he law".
Matthew 5:17 says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFIL."
The Greek word underlying "fulfil" is πληρόω (plēroō) which means "to fill". This is right in line with what Paul speaks.
Romans 10:4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The Greek word underlying "end" is τέλος (telos) which may also be translated as completion. He is the fulfilment of the law. It is not that Christ destroyed it. He fulfilled it. That is why we are no longer under it. Individual words matter too.
Legend says sunglasses guy is still trying to Google
Its great you do this
Do I have free will
Is everything part of gods plan
Does go know everything
Yes, you definitely have free will; if you didn't, then you wouldn't have been able
to make the choice to ask the question.
***** than Jesus was an assh*le
that's freewill for you mate, your profane remarks. I hope you know understand. But remember there will be a judgement day, regardless of whether you believe In JESUS or not
-I-Theist, Science requires an eyewitness.
Always sad to see how stupid smart people can be. Always sad to see the anger and the ignorance of their "free logical thinking". Always sad to the their bad manners, dont let the other person speak without interrupting and raising their voices. But if they are told stupid incorrect things in their classes they would be silenty believe whatever without complaining and be thankful foe it
Sun glasses guy made my head hurt. He seriously brought up statues as a point of historical evidence. His analogy’s are so horrible. The napkin point literally made no sense either.
Dude like GOD is wrong I’m right
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4 dislike from the 1st kid.
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The mental gymnastics to get where he is at is crazy I think I'm getting dumber
👍👍👍
There’s no contradiction in the Bible. Translations have been turned but always go to the original language
wouldn't it be wonderful if he came to Christ in the last 10 years.
This guy can't find Jesus for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. No doubt his dubious lifestyle is something he is a enslaved to. And BTW, the 1000s of 1st and 2nd century Christians buried under the coliseum, attest to the fact they wouldn't abandon what knew to be true. As prof' Graham Clarke said "I know of no ancient history professor who has the slightest doubt as to the historicity of Jesus.
This guy is rather hostile.
I think confirmation bias plays a huge part in our lives, and that begins from a very early age, if you were raised in, lets say Saudi Arabia, you would almost certainly have a firm belief in Islam and a Muslim way of life. It doesn't make sense to me that if the Christian God was real, that he would allow people to be raised in "the wrong faith", surely if we're all his children, as he claims, we'd all be raised into the Christian faith. But that isn't the case, travel around the world and you will encounter a multitude of wildly varying faiths.
+James S Hi James, yes probably if you are raised in the western world with access to the internet I agree you will also have access to other faiths, but that's not the case in other parts of the world, particularly in poorer parts of the globe, if, for instance, you were born and raised in Pakistan, it's highly likely you would now be a Muslim, 98% of that country follows the Islamic faith, if what you were saying was true Pakistan would be a plethora of differing faiths, but it's not, and the same goes for many other middle eastern countries. Almost every country has a dominant religion. Many Islamic countries also have the apostasy law in operation which prevents people from leaving the faith. You spoke about 'truth' ..what do you consider to be the truth btw?
***** Hi James, thanks for that long reply, it was an interesting read. As I don't believe in God not a lot of what you said made sense. I don't believe ANY person deserves eternal damnation for their actions, even people who have done really bad things. One of the problems with Christianity as i see it is that, if you have lived a life killing and raping, if, on your deathbed you genuinely ask for forgiveness and accept Christ, you will go to heaven according to Christianity. However, an atheist like me, because I reject Christ it doesn't matter how good I've been in my life, because I don't accept Christ as my savior, i will spend eternity in hell. That cannot be right that someone who spent his life killing and raping gets rewarded, whereas another person who has led a good life, but simply rejects Christ, he gets punished..
If God thinks that is just, then i want nothing to do with it.
@@bonnie43uk somebody gotta pay the punishment of their sin, Christ did it for us.
@@alfonzofields5352 That's ok if you believe that. Generally in life, if we do things wrong against other people we know that there are consequences for our actions. We're all raised to know right from wrong. How was the world any different the day after Jesus died on the cross? As far as i can tell people still sinned as much as they did before.
@@bonnie43uk it’s more than what I believe it’s a historical claim
What was up with that dude...so much anger for a so called mystical Jesus that he so calls ..if Jesus is a myth then why the hate for something that doesn't exist...so he says..
This guy never understand JESUS.
Red tee Sunglasses and beard does not understand perspective