It's so easy to type out quick witted comments, it's not easy to do what cliff does. I was an "atheist" for about 5 years, and cliff was one of the ones that made me think different, and actually read for myself and think for myself. Thank you cliff for doing what you do. You inspire me.
I just don't get how others can't think like you🙆♂️. If cliff can change your mind as a former atheist then why can't others do the same. What made you look into it yourself?
@@shydalelewis3966Because they want to live their lives how they want in sin and not accept the consequences for their actions. Life comes from life not non life.
I love it when nice non-Christians debate and discuss with Christians on theology, logic and etc.I hate the whole mocking and bullying tactic from either side. Be blessed Cliffe.
I’m not sure how much clearer Cliff could be, that requires a lot of patience. We need to pray for Cliff for God to give him all the fruit of the Holy Spirit
I observe that a common thread of argument among the students is that they can't believe, or don't want to believe that there is "one being" that has any ultimate authority. I was reading in Matthew chapter 8 this morning about the Roman Centurion: 5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.” 7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?” 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment. The Centurion acknowledges AUTHORITY. He accepts that he himself has authority over his soldiers, but he also realizes that the Emperor has authority over him, and that God has authority over the Emperor. And that's the rub with young people today. They have been raised to believe that NO ONE has any authority over anybody. It is the fault of their liberal parents and their liberal teachers. They are in for a very rude awakening both in this life and the next.
It's cool to see non Christians watch someone like cliff he's awesome. Why not come to christ yourself if you havnt already. What makes a non Christian click on a vid like this...just wondering btw I've never had the mindset of an atheist🤷♂️.
No, the vastness of the universe doesn’t make me naive in believing in one God. It actually makes me believe in God even more because he’s so powerful and creative in making the universe to begin with!
"His [Job's] faith was not based on the circumstances of life...instead, his faith was based on the character of God - which is Good. Life is unfair, God is fair; never get the two mixed up"
I am the way, I am the truth, I am the light of the world, follow me. we have to make the" I am "Holy and pure and the "me" pure an holy. I stand to be corrected.
you can think of free will and the biochemical reactions in the brain like a builder and he wants to build a house but if you were to give someone a lobotomy they it would be like taking away the hammer of the builder. He still wants to build a house but he no longer has the tools to do so.
i do not agree ,if calvinism is true God is not righteousness,so u belive God created a human and human did not asked to be created then God sends him t hell becase God does not want to save him>??it goes aganest bible and reason why i dont accept it
Effectively , the one to be forgiven for past evil are not here , and for a present person to avenge another that had nothing to do with it is ludicrous and as evil as the oldies that did it -
The first child, in the black T-shirt, doesn't know what the word "ironic" means. LOL He also doesn't know what the words "pretext" and "debate" mean! LOL
"What if your moral experience could be entirely reduced to biochemical reactions, would that change your position on free will?" There would be no me to have or change a position on free will or anything else.
The world was made through Jesus Christ. see Gospel of John Chapter 1. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit. Jesus has paid a huge price for your salvation. In heaven God's will is done. see www.gotquestions.org
Cliffe says atheism cannot explain free will and that without God we can do as we please.. but we have constructed a society that punishes wrongdoing, if you rob rape or murder for example, you will more than likely pay the price for your crime. We are in essence social creatures, we have deemed what is acceptable in life, causing hurt or harm to another person is frowned upon. We're not the only creatures that do this in nature, plenty of other animals do this. Even the humble ant will work as a team. Also I'd say our morals change over time, here in England 50 years ago it was deemed to be an illegal practice to engage in homosexual activity, which could result in a prison sentence, .. today it's totally acceptable to be in a homosexual relationship, we've moved on.. for the betterment of society.
“Cliffe says atheism cannot explain free will and that without God we can do as we please.. but we have constructed a society that punishes wrongdoing, if you rob rape or murder for example, you will more than likely pay the price for your crime.” Fascinating that you said that your society was constructed to punish wrongdoing, throughout European history and Western history, modern society was forged from Christianity. Now I know that there were those, namely the ancient Catholic Church, who misused the teachings of Christ for their own gain, in which Christ warned about. But the problem with your argument is that not all societies in the world conform to the West. Today there is still African slave trades, women treated as cattle, apartheid (also known as dhimmi) as well as the torture, murder and rape of those who do not follow a particular religion. And they believe that what you and the West is in a constant state of wrongdoing. So how can you explain that? “We are in essence social creatures, we have deemed what is acceptable in life, causing hurt or harm to another person is frowned upon. We're not the only creatures that do this in nature, plenty of other animals do this. Even the humble ant will work as a team. Also I'd say our morals change over time, here in England 50 years ago it was deemed to be an illegal practice to engage in homosexual activity, which could result in a prison sentence, .. today it's totally acceptable to be in a homosexual relationship, we've moved on.. for the betterment of society.” But how does homosexuality benefit society? Today in England pastors and common people are being arrested in the street for merely saying homosexuality is a sin. I saw a story where a Christian couple in England was being pressured to shut down their coffee house, by the government, because they had a LCD screen posting Bible verses that could be seen from the outside through a window. Also the amount of muslims that live in England are being allowed to call for the destruction of England as well as a muslim who beheaded a British Soldier in the streets that has been ignored for severe punishment.
jrc99us Thanks for your reply and your thoughts. You've given me quite a few things to respond to. You say modern society was forged from Christianity, certainly that played a part in Western culture, but real democracy was forged much much earlier in ancient Greece some 500 years before Christ, even the word "democracy" comes from the Greek translation "rule of the people". You are absolutely correct in saying not all societies in the world conform to Western values, I'd say there are many nations around the world that could learn a thing or two from the west.. perhaps first and foremost how to treat fellow human beings of other colours, creeds ,and sexuality. Your comment about pastors and common people being arrested in the street for merely saying homosexuality is a sin here in England is highly exaggerated ( if you can give me links i will gladly look into it), I did some online digging, and did see there was a small incident where a street preacher called Dale McAlpine was arrested on grounds of using homophobic language here in the UK in 2010, he was found not guilty and awarded costs. As regards your other comment, I could find no evidence that any couple were being forced to shut down their coffee house because they wanted to put bible verses in their window. You are free to put anything you like in your own window so long as it isn't libelous or defamatory against anyone. You do have free speech here in the UK, again, so long as it isn't slanderous, I've not heard of any Muslim call for the destruction of England, if that has happened, it would depend in what context it was said, ie, if they were openly encouraging others to commit any kind of crime against the state, it would be acted upon. You mentioned the despicable attempted beheading of the British soldier (Lee Rigby), again, those 2 fundamentalist Muslims were brought to justice and will serve the rest of their lives in prison. Our democracy is by no means perfect, we get things wrong sometimes, but in general, the standard of life here in the west, as you probably know, is much better than some other 3rd world countries. I was a little perplexed by your statement "how does homosexuality benefit society"? As I mentioned, homosexuality was seen as an immoral act a little over 50 years ago, we, as a society, have changed our position on this, and it has become much more accepted nowadays, gays are a part of everyday life now, they don't have to hide their love or feel in anyway ashamed, gays can and do partake in every aspect of society here, and quite rightly too. It benefits society that they don't have to hide their love or be punished for who they are. What would you do with gay people may I ask? Do you find them a blight on society? True morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told, Religious morality is doing what you are told, regardless of whether it is right... ie: you are told certain things are wrong from the writings of an old book, and you don't question it.
Hey, Bonnie! I personally wanted to apologize to you for anyone claiming to be Christian who had left hateful, unthoughtful or belittling comments towards you. I am a follower of Christ and I recognize you're struggling through some very difficult questions, most of which cannot be answered by man. There are some posters who come here who try to rationalize and explain everything and it can and often times does comes off as arrogant. For that I apologize. I do hope that we all strive towards truth and I do hope that your journey leads you to Christ.
Hey Daniel, thanks for your kind words, don't worry I'm very rarely offended by anything anyone says to me. I do realize that I'm probably outnumbered by Christians, so it's only natural that if I say anything to the contrary concerning Christianity, I will expect Christians to defend their faith. I'm probably more offended by comments from Atheists aimed at Christians, some of it is really nasty. I'm not out to offend anyone, just to give a different view. All discussion is good if conducted in a proper manner. Thanks again.
All this what if, and but's! Tell it like it is, I don't want to believe in Jesus does not matter no matter what, all evidence that I hear means nothing to me! That would at least have been honest for him to say!
cliff why should someone kill themselves just because they don't believe in a god to claim something like that shows you have no respect for human life to think that life shouid end because of a belief or non belief is no better than isis .and also why do you keep using hitting or stabbing people as ur examples its kinda scary and I wonder whats going on within you
That is NOT what he said, at all. He was quoting an atheist philosopher who had the intellectual honesty to admit that, if there is no God, life has no meaning. Which means your life is just as insignificant as your death.
so your saying that life on earth is pointless im sure many will disagree with you and ill bet you are living it up in this life if you were a starving near dead baby i might agree with you but . if someone dosant believe in GOD thats there choice and there life should not have ant less meaning tham someone who does .
+phil cowbreath No, I didn't say life on earth was pointless. Please read what's written. IF THERE IS NO GOD LIFE IS POINTLESS. That is my point, Cliff's point, and the atheist philosopher he's quoting.
and my point is to athiests there is no GOD but they dont go around killing themselves because life is pointless infact there lives have very much meaning and they arnt afraid to learn and get the best out of life .to be indoctinated to the point where you cant even make your own decisions is pointless and fake to be a slave of eternal punishment and fear is a pointless life .for some one who just believes they die get buried and thats it there is no problem about weather life needs a GOD.maybe im missing your point but i dont see how else to see it.
+phil cowbreath If there is no God life ultimately has no purpose. You can assign purpose to your life but that's imaginary and delusional. It's not true meaning because it's arbitrary. If there is no God then we are a bunch of accidents and accidents have no meaning.
It's so easy to type out quick witted comments, it's not easy to do what cliff does. I was an "atheist" for about 5 years, and cliff was one of the ones that made me think different, and actually read for myself and think for myself. Thank you cliff for doing what you do. You inspire me.
Awesome brother welcome to the body of Christ GOD’s family
I just don't get how others can't think like you🙆♂️. If cliff can change your mind as a former atheist then why can't others do the same. What made you look into it yourself?
@@shydalelewis3966Because they want to live their lives how they want in sin and not accept the consequences for their actions. Life comes from life not non life.
@@christopherlovesjesussomuc3749 amen to that.
Cliff brings God into reality for these youngsters. He's an awesome brother in the Kingdom of God!!!! Thanks for what you do.
Cliffe was ON FIRE in this one and obviously having a wonderful time! Great students too.
I love it when nice non-Christians debate and discuss with Christians on theology, logic and etc.I hate the whole mocking and bullying tactic from either side. Be blessed Cliffe.
I’m not sure how much clearer Cliff could be, that requires a lot of patience. We need to pray for Cliff for God to give him all the fruit of the Holy Spirit
I observe that a common thread of argument among the students is that they can't believe, or don't want to believe that there is "one being" that has any ultimate authority. I was reading in Matthew chapter 8 this morning about the Roman Centurion: 5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”
8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
The Centurion acknowledges AUTHORITY. He accepts that he himself has authority over his soldiers, but he also realizes that the Emperor has authority over him, and that God has authority over the Emperor. And that's the rub with young people today. They have been raised to believe that NO ONE has any authority over anybody. It is the fault of their liberal parents and their liberal teachers. They are in for a very rude awakening both in this life and the next.
Thank you for this and God bless you
I'm an Atheist, but this guy is still interesting to listen to.
respected
It's cool to see non Christians watch someone like cliff he's awesome. Why not come to christ yourself if you havnt already. What makes a non Christian click on a vid like this...just wondering btw I've never had the mindset of an atheist🤷♂️.
ON POINT!!
No, the vastness of the universe doesn’t make me naive in believing in one God. It actually makes me believe in God even more because he’s so powerful and creative in making the universe to begin with!
The conversation beginning around the 9:15 mark was great to see.
"His [Job's] faith was not based on the circumstances of life...instead, his faith was based on the character of God - which is Good. Life is unfair, God is fair; never get the two mixed up"
4:03 -- Defeated believer in atheist Dogma runs away. LOL
Lol he didn’t make sense
@@aznation4592 Believers in atheist Dogma never make sense.
@@1godonlyone119 They present a lot of “What ifs “ smh 🤦♂️
@@aznation4592 That's because they're trying to deny "what is," and trying to deny "who is."
@@1godonlyone119 Yup. I believe what their being taught in schools has a big part in what they believe. Evolution the Big Bang 💥 etc
I am the way, I am the truth, I am the light of the world, follow me.
we have to make the" I am "Holy and pure and the "me" pure an holy. I stand to be corrected.
Cliff playing basketball in the intro! Heck yah!
I really enjoy these videos, thanks for sharing =)
What band is playing that music? I would like to know both band and song.
you can think of free will and the biochemical reactions in the brain like a builder and he wants to build a house but if you were to give someone a lobotomy they it would be like taking away the hammer of the builder. He still wants to build a house but he no longer has the tools to do so.
The student at the beginning has a great point. Thats why Calvinism is the correct theological position.
i do not agree ,if calvinism is true God is not righteousness,so u belive God created a human and human did not asked to be created then God sends him t hell becase God does not want to save him>??it goes aganest bible and reason why i dont accept it
what it is to be human?? comes from God
I don’t agree. Calvinism is a retreat from personal accountability and individual achievement. A real search for Truth will lead you deeper.
Jesus as Lord and Savior is the correct position. not Lutheran or Calvin.
great ciff
Behaviorism, B.F. Skinner, brilliant stuff. At that point even in my doctrine as an atheist, i can't see myself theoretically holding to my atheism.
Without God there would no Humanity
Effectively , the one to be forgiven for past evil are not here , and for a present person to avenge another that had nothing to do with it is ludicrous and as evil as the oldies that did it -
The first child, in the black T-shirt, doesn't know what the word "ironic" means. LOL
He also doesn't know what the words "pretext" and "debate" mean! LOL
The size of the universe makes a lot of difference when you understand biblical geocentric cosmology.
guy with red glassess😂, getting used for illustration
"What if your moral experience could be entirely reduced to biochemical reactions, would that change your position on free will?"
There would be no me to have or change a position on free will or anything else.
This was such a genuine debate. You could tell that the student that was speaking for the majority of the video was open minded and logical.
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
How do these people know their position about chemical reactions, is not just a chemical reaction in and of itself?
Right when it starts getting hot in the kitchen, they run away. Typical.
What is the guy with the red glasses looking for?
Bro I’m halfway through the video, I see this comment, look up, and he’s looking all over the place hahaha
The Atheist / doubters always say what if , what if, what if, what if, what if ????!??! What if dude lol 😂
The world was made through Jesus Christ. see Gospel of John Chapter 1. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit. Jesus has paid a huge price for your salvation. In heaven God's will is done. see www.gotquestions.org
Cliffe says atheism cannot explain free will and that without God we can do as we please.. but we have constructed a society that punishes wrongdoing, if you rob rape or murder for example, you will more than likely pay the price for your crime. We are in essence social creatures, we have deemed what is acceptable in life, causing hurt or harm to another person is frowned upon. We're not the only creatures that do this in nature, plenty of other animals do this. Even the humble ant will work as a team. Also I'd say our morals change over time, here in England 50 years ago it was deemed to be an illegal practice to engage in homosexual activity, which could result in a prison sentence, .. today it's totally acceptable to be in a homosexual relationship, we've moved on.. for the betterment of society.
“Cliffe says atheism cannot explain free will and that without God we can do as we please.. but we have constructed a society that punishes wrongdoing, if you rob rape or murder for example, you will more than likely pay the price for your crime.”
Fascinating that you said that your society was constructed to punish wrongdoing, throughout European history and Western history, modern society was forged from Christianity. Now I know that there were those, namely the ancient Catholic Church, who misused the teachings of Christ for their own gain, in which Christ warned about. But the problem with your argument is that not all societies in the world conform to the West. Today there is still African slave trades, women treated as cattle, apartheid (also known as dhimmi) as well as the torture, murder and rape of those who do not follow a particular religion. And they believe that what you and the West is in a constant state of wrongdoing. So how can you explain that?
“We are in essence social creatures, we have deemed what is acceptable in life, causing hurt or harm to another person is frowned upon. We're not the only creatures that do this in nature, plenty of other animals do this. Even the humble ant will work as a team. Also I'd say our morals change over time, here in England 50 years ago it was deemed to be an illegal practice to engage in homosexual activity, which could result in a prison sentence, .. today it's totally acceptable to be in a homosexual relationship, we've moved on.. for the betterment of society.”
But how does homosexuality benefit society? Today in England pastors and common people are being arrested in the street for merely saying homosexuality is a sin. I saw a story where a Christian couple in England was being pressured to shut down their coffee house, by the government, because they had a LCD screen posting Bible verses that could be seen from the outside through a window. Also the amount of muslims that live in England are being allowed to call for the destruction of England as well as a muslim who beheaded a British Soldier in the streets that has been ignored for severe punishment.
jrc99us Thanks for your reply and your thoughts. You've given me quite a few things to respond to. You say modern society was forged from Christianity, certainly that played a part in Western culture, but real democracy was forged much much earlier in ancient Greece some 500 years before Christ, even the word "democracy" comes from the Greek translation "rule of the people". You are absolutely correct in saying not all societies in the world conform to Western values, I'd say there are many nations around the world that could learn a thing or two from the west.. perhaps first and foremost how to treat fellow human beings of other colours, creeds ,and sexuality.
Your comment about pastors and common people being arrested in the street for merely saying homosexuality is a sin here in England is highly exaggerated ( if you can give me links i will gladly look into it), I did some online digging, and did see there was a small incident where a street preacher called Dale McAlpine was arrested on grounds of using homophobic language here in the UK in 2010, he was found not guilty and awarded costs. As regards your other comment, I could find no evidence that any couple were being forced to shut down their coffee house because they wanted to put bible verses in their window. You are free to put anything you like in your own window so long as it isn't libelous or defamatory against anyone.
You do have free speech here in the UK, again, so long as it isn't slanderous, I've not heard of any Muslim call for the destruction of England, if that has happened, it would depend in what context it was said, ie, if they were openly encouraging others to commit any kind of crime against the state, it would be acted upon. You mentioned the despicable attempted beheading of the British soldier (Lee Rigby), again, those 2 fundamentalist Muslims were brought to justice and will serve the rest of their lives in prison. Our democracy is by no means perfect, we get things wrong sometimes, but in general, the standard of life here in the west, as you probably know, is much better than some other 3rd world countries.
I was a little perplexed by your statement "how does homosexuality benefit society"? As I mentioned, homosexuality was seen as an immoral act a little over 50 years ago, we, as a society, have changed our position on this, and it has become much more accepted nowadays, gays are a part of everyday life now, they don't have to hide their love or feel in anyway ashamed, gays can and do partake in every aspect of society here, and quite rightly too. It benefits society that they don't have to hide their love or be punished for who they are. What would you do with gay people may I ask? Do you find them a blight on society?
True morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told, Religious morality is doing what you are told, regardless of whether it is right... ie: you are told certain things are wrong from the writings of an old book, and you don't question it.
bibbue43yj, SOCIETY IS YOU AND ME. HOW CAN SOCIETY PUNISH WRONG DOING . you are punishing yourself for your wrong doing
Hey, Bonnie! I personally wanted to apologize to you for anyone claiming to be Christian who had left hateful, unthoughtful or belittling comments towards you. I am a follower of Christ and I recognize you're struggling through some very difficult questions, most of which cannot be answered by man. There are some posters who come here who try to rationalize and explain everything and it can and often times does comes off as arrogant. For that I apologize. I do hope that we all strive towards truth and I do hope that your journey leads you to Christ.
Hey Daniel, thanks for your kind words, don't worry I'm very rarely offended by anything anyone says to me. I do realize that I'm probably outnumbered by Christians, so it's only natural that if I say anything to the contrary concerning Christianity, I will expect Christians to defend their faith. I'm probably more offended by comments from Atheists aimed at Christians, some of it is really nasty. I'm not out to offend anyone, just to give a different view. All discussion is good if conducted in a proper manner. Thanks again.
All this what if, and but's! Tell it like it is, I don't want to believe in Jesus does not matter no matter what, all evidence that I hear means nothing to me! That would at least have been honest for him to say!
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cliff why should someone kill themselves just because they don't believe in a god to claim something like that shows you have no respect for human life to think that life shouid end because of a belief or non belief is no better than isis .and also why do you keep using hitting or stabbing people as ur examples its kinda scary and I wonder whats going on within you
That is NOT what he said, at all. He was quoting an atheist philosopher who had the intellectual honesty to admit that, if there is no God, life has no meaning. Which means your life is just as insignificant as your death.
so your saying that life on earth is pointless im sure many will disagree with you and ill bet you are living it up in this life if you were a starving near dead baby i might agree with you but . if someone dosant believe in GOD thats there choice and there life should not have ant less meaning tham someone who does .
+phil cowbreath No, I didn't say life on earth was pointless. Please read what's written. IF THERE IS NO GOD LIFE IS POINTLESS. That is my point, Cliff's point, and the atheist philosopher he's quoting.
and my point is to athiests there is no GOD but they dont go around killing themselves because life is pointless infact there lives have very much meaning and they arnt afraid to learn and get the best out of life .to be indoctinated to the point where you cant even make your own decisions is pointless and fake to be a slave of eternal punishment and fear is a pointless life .for some one who just believes they die get buried and thats it there is no problem about weather life needs a GOD.maybe im missing your point but i dont see how else to see it.
+phil cowbreath If there is no God life ultimately has no purpose. You can assign purpose to your life but that's imaginary and delusional. It's not true meaning because it's arbitrary. If there is no God then we are a bunch of accidents and accidents have no meaning.
How sad you sound arguing for atheism. “Blah blah blah life is neurological reactions and blah blah blah.”
Such a sad way to live life.
One of my favorite debate. Great job
Debates**