Give Me an Answer - If There Is No God, Evil Does Not Exist. So What About All That Evil?
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- Program 1422 ................... - Good and Evil - Order and Chaos .............. God's Love .......
Recorded at Texas State University - October 2021.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
Jesus is the way , the truth and the life. Love from India 🇮🇳
Amen! Yeshua is KING! Ryan From 🇺🇸 Gon bless you and your family!
Amen from fellow Indian brother
Please seriously read Dr Richard Carrier's peer reviewed book on the historicity of Jesus... the evidence for Jesus's existence is VERY iffy and nearly nonexistent, despite traditional views... mythicism has a LOT OF crackpots claiming ridiculous things, BUT Carrier is not a Crank. His studies are meticulous and open minded and the conclusions were shocking even to HIM (Carrier). I'm a former Christian, but have ZERO animosity towards the Faith (my wife's father is a Hindu turned Protestant minister in Northeastern India), but Christianity makes no sense to me personally. In my past, I WANTED Christianity to be true so badly, but when I investigated it obsessively to PROVE it, I realized it was not only NOT provable, but not even likely to be true. If Christianity soothes a person and motivates them to be giving, loving people, then I'm all for it. But, when Christians get under the spell that they are the only way and all others are damned, etc, then that is a spiritual immaturity that needs ironed out, or else is divisive and counterproductive to LOVE (out of ignorance). The real truth is that Consciousness Itself is Primal and we live in a nondualistic reality... matter, people, and everything which can be perceived is INSIDE Consciousness... all is in the One Mind, such as when our dream avatars play out their parts in the dreamer’s dream. No need for redemption or reward, because all is "God" playing out the roles of the universe. God is the only "doer" and is all there ultimately is. We are literally God wearing the various masks of our seemingly individual egos. All is merely play. If curious what the heck I'm speaking of, please research Bernardo Kastrup (for a modern perspective on nondualism), or read Alan Watts ("The Book") or delve into Advaita Vedanta via the principle Upanishads of Sanatana Dharma (Nondual Hinduism).
Peace ✌️
Amen
God bless you from your brother in Memphis Tennessee USA
You can see cliff on the background being proud of his son . Love this dialogues
That's his brother, his son is younger (I've only seen his son once)
His son did a really good job there.
@@christiancabrera5333 Stuart is his son.
@@GoofyAhOklahoma Pretty sure it's his little brother. One video they talked about growing up. His son is much younger. Again I could wrong. God bless. They're awesome regardless
@@christiancabrera5333 Yeah no. Stuart is actually his son. God bless you too.
I am very surprised that there are this many students listening to this talk and this gives me encouragement. I really thought there would be studnets yelling to interrupt and stop this important message. God bless.
I too am surprised that so many students listen to this absurd nonsense.
It seems to me there are two distinct possibilities.
Either there is no god and these myths are exactly that myths. Or you have a god that's claimed wishes to have a relationship with his creation.
He wants us to live our lives in a certain way with regard to morals , worshipers ect. This god think that the best way to convey this vital message to us is via a book of scriptures.
This book he knows will reach me as copies of translations of copies of translations of an original oral tradition.
And to all intensive purposes will appear to be the myths and beliefs of ignorant superstitious primative tribesmen, just like all the thousands of others.
This book will contain testimonies that are unsigned, for the most part hearsay and written by we dont know who. It will contains talking snakes and talking donkeys giants witches magic and zombies.
It will appear to some to have questionable ethics with regard to endorsement of slavery infanticide genocide ect.
This book will also disagree with science on many different subjects like origins and age of the earth , how the diversity of life came about basic cosmology ect ect.
The hero of this book will appear to be very similar to all the other proposed demigods born of virgins from earlier pagan deities, and will be serving a very specific purpose vicarious redemption ( or scapegoating) a practice that apears to be an imoral concept in itself .And a form of which , was already being practiced in the area.
Anyway god seemingly thinks that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules. Is to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔
☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔
Our hero and the stories about him though are not for everyone as this god is predominantly concerned about one particular tribe of people called jews and one little area of the Mediterranean. The aborigines, Asians ect dont seem to important.
He has also created a place of eternal torture for people who are unconvinced by his book. Even though belief is not a choice as you are either convinced of something or unconvinced, and it is generaly evidence that convinces
I personally could not just choose to believe in tinkerbell because that belief offers rewards , no matter how much I just closed my eyes and stamped my feet.
And if I am unable to see through all of the above and conclude that jehovah is the explanation for reality as I see it , then I'm deservingly sent off to hell.
*No offence my friend but regardless of whether such a god exists or not I'm being entirely rational and justified in my current position as an atheist*
@@trumpbellend6717 If Christianity was true would you believe it??
When you see mental illness in the form of religious extremism it is hard to not watch and listen.
You say it’s nonsense yet you stayed and listen seems like in some part of your heart you believe it and know it’s true
@@trumpbellend6717you regurgitated a lot of the failed talking points of increasingly irrelevant angry atheists like Matt Dillahunty and Aron-Ra.
Don't put faith in the Bible, or Christianity as an organized body. Faith is put in Jesus Christ. "Science," cannot provide all the answers to every aspect of life, it would be arrogant to claim that "science," has all the answers when it clearly does not.
I love how Cliff gets in a stance like he’s about to brace for something before making his main points😂
I know, a position ready to do spiritual battle. Engages the person yet says to the father of lies, “bring it on!”. That was awesome.
Like he's getting ready to step in all the 💩 he spewed everywhere.
I love that too. Absolute passion.
It is the cutest thing ever 🥺❤️
You know he’s about to spit when he spawns up like that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love the videos where everyone is respectful of each other and everyone holds an intellectual conversation. It was a joy and privilege to watch this video.
In this link th-cam.com/video/vXZx1FUd7Ko/w-d-xo.html . I show you up Jesus's nose 6 times in this Askcliffe (Give me an answer video from May 8th 2022. I am calling you out Cliffe and son.
I'm an Atheist and also believe it good to hold intellectual respectful discourse.
The problem is that for many theists any questioning of their theology is seen as an attack. They automatically hold the default position that I as a non believer am an evil Sinner. That my purpose is to decieve not to understand and that my beliefs are based upon ignorance or incredulity of biblical scripture.
Sure they are more than happy to initialy engage me in debate however i usually find the more the discourse exposes the fallacious nature of theological beliefs the more aggressive dismissive and insulting they become.
@@trumpbellend6717 Your statement shows that you don't understand what is being said. The default position is not that *you alone* as an unbeliever are a sinner, bit that all of us have rejected Him and are sinners because *all of us* have done that.
Perhaps your position, which places you in a defensive mindset has blinded you to other truths that God's children are trying to share with you. After all, it is a universal truth that nobody (broad generalization) wants to be told they're wrong and have to admit they're in need of correction.
That doesn't mean that what you're saying isn't all wrong because all of us have fallen short and have difficulty accepting our need for correction. So yes, this applies to followers of Christ too. But the fact that you present only the errors of the people whom you are evangelizing to, shows that you have many blind spots as well.
Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked.
Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given.
Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves.
Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice.
In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice.
And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked.
I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back!
WORLD PEACE IS COMING!!
By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven...
@@elijahmalachi45-63 Jesus says he shows himself to those who obey him. John 14:21 "
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Do you have any videos showing us how you see him? I have about 503.
Cliff I wanna thank u your changed a lot of my thinking and strengthen my fault in Christ I love the way u answer the question and break them down so simple but complex tat the same time is just amazing
Bullshit man, these are pure lies... just come out of the God Delusion....
You mean faith?
I tell you this. That young man does NOT want to believe that Jesus is real because for some reason homosexuality IS the big one. I can say that because I was in his boat for MORE THAN half my life 12-40 (I just turned 41, and no long want to practice that lifestyle) Out of ALL of my sins this one is the ONLY one you feel when one is confronted about it. I never felt the drinking, drugs, I felt bad when I lied I hated it cheated in games, tests etc, gossiped, you name it. None of those sins had weight to it the way this one is. And I wasn't even the type to see it as my identity. More like I really really love her, and I don't want to let it go, but knowing we ought not to be and not wanting to let go. Boy I just can even explain it here,, either way HE KNOWS, he really knows he just doesn't want to let it in cause he doesn't want to let go of what he likes. I hope I made sense.
My name is Abdur Rashid I am a Christian I came from Bangladesh to Dubai city to work I am a missionary of God God has called me to work in the Muslim nation please pray for me God provide everything Amen
Stuart’s response to pluralism was so great and truthful! The analogy he used was helpful! Thank you guys for your service to the Lord, and helping me in my faith and knowledge about truth
Then you'll definitely love this.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
It says the video is private, so I can’t view it
HERE is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins, NOT jesus, and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
As a Christian woman of colour who has lived in a low income household for most of my life - I totally disagree with the idea that I strengthened my faith in Christ just to rebuttal the "white man's approach". How ignorant and even racist. As a woman of colour, I have never been oppressed, and I have always believed in God. I grew in my faith because I wanted a relationship with God, I wanted to know who he was, I wanted to understand what he did for me and what he excepts of me. I wanted to know what the truth was. People who just spew this kind of nonsense are the ones who are brainwashed. Praying that God opens the mind of that gentleman and all the students questioning the Great I AM!
Truth? Christianity doesn't even make sense. A child wouldn't even believe it if not forced. Keep searching if you truly looking for the truth
@@zambot264 and what makes sense? I have found the Truth. I don't know what you mean by forced, but every parent "forces" their world view on their child. The child then grows up and finds his/her own path. I have always been free to think and believe what I want. The best way to live and the Truth is found in the Christian faith... not Islam, not Hinduism or Atheisim, etc. You seem lost ... I shall pray for you.
@@zambot264 and what has made sense in your life? I asked and said what you just said. And you're in your right to make that assessment, we human beings carry doubt. But if you look back at your life and lay out your experiences, and if you can point out the moments where you were given what you thought you wantes but was later taught a harsh lesson that you weren't yet ready for it, that is the proof of God.
God will give you will you can handle because he knows you can handle it. Even if you're lost in your faith or never had it. If you can comprehend good and evil, you begin to understand God. Do animals have free will, empathy, compassion, discernment of good and evil? No. We are not animals, we are a unique set of beings on Earth, if that doesn't point to a greater power, then nothing matters and you should go fuck and kill whoever because the notion of good and evil becomes meaningless in the face of Chaos.
@@raychforchrist self reflect. Examine your beliefs again. Great I AM? Please be more open minded. Wish you all the best.
Black, Christian woman here and I concur. I have never been oppressed, I serve Jesus Christ because of who He is.
Not going to lie, I’ve watched almost all your videos on here. I think this was probably one of the best convos I’ve seen between you, Stuart and a student
100% agree.
Not going to lie?
If you're not going to lie you're probably not going to be welcome as a christiain.
Best one in my opinion.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
@@ramptonarsecandle Bro it’s just a statement. Not to be taking serious
@@evabelleh1192 Really? Funny that christians seem to think it's ok to lie whenever it suits them don't you think?
And I'm not your "bro". Grow up.
There are a few people who have true gifts of spreading the Gospel. These two are absolutely gifted at presenting the gospel to a group that needs to hear the Word more than anyone.
These people are gifted as well.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
College students especially, young people. Eager to learn. Haven't closed their minds to ideas other than what they have just took for granted for so long
Spreading the "gospel" is spreading fairy tales as fact, the gospels are written by no one knows whom, none are signed, none are written by those accreditted with doing so, they are not sourced, verified or corroborated by any known , proven to exist people's by the same criteria, they are actual evidence of absolutely bugger all.
@@rogercarrico4975their ignorance is malleable, and people such as Cliffe profit knowingly of such. No where in the world have they such an audience as in the USA kids that have spent their whole lives living with the indoctrination of State education, and culture , hell it's the only nation other than dictatorships that swear an oath of allegiance.
everybody pray for that respectful hindu kid. pray that he encounters the true living Jesus Christ
My guy. 👊
no way, i watch your channel man. cant believe i saw u here god bless
Mad respect to the young man in the white shirt. So respectful and open minded. Most college students don’t have that kind of respect when faced with different viewpoints and ideologies.
Thank you. No matter where we land religiously everyone deserves to be treated with respect. He listened to me respectfully, so he deserved the same.
@@EthanRamirez13wait you're the guy? 😮 that was a great intellectual discourse. How was your Read about Jesus homework? Is He a great guy to pattern your life with?
He was absolutely very open minded, I could tell his mind was working it through. And even though he might not like me to make this claim, I felt like The Holy Spirit was making itself known in him when Cliff was talking about going to Christ and not religion.
@@jhedjoardumago7691yes i think that might be him
I watch these everyday, thank you so much Cliffe! God bless you and your family! 😁
Praise God.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
You guys have help so much in my understanding of God, the Bible and the faith in general. I’ve watched almost all your videos. I need more videos ASAP please😭😭
get in the Word!- the Bible. Hahaha. I love their videos, they indeed help me too. But I must reaad my Bible and Pray. If I really am a Christian.
Here is a link that will help.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
Understanding of God? Bible is objectively corrupt. Not me saying this, but Christian scholars.
Also check out The Holy Quran. it's the missing link for our health & happiness. It's the only book where yhwh himself speaks directly. Thus it's the manual of use of the human machine. It's no joke. It's pretty potent because it contains mathematical paterns beyond human ability & references to modern human scientific knowledge(link in my channel's infos section). Prophet Muhammad was the prophet of Deut18:18 , John1:21 & John16:13 who led us to all the truth. Blessings 😉💗
psalm 147/19/20 he show his words to Jacob his statutes and judgments to Israel for he has not dealt with any other nation and for his judgments they have not known them according to the bible the most high show his words statutes and judgments to Israel never mention no other nation for he has not dealt with any other nation according to the bible the most high wasn't dealing with no other nation so explain how an none Israelite would know the most high words statutes and judgments explain
I started watching this video thinking "oh no, here is another arrogant apologist debating students trying to make them feel stupid" But this was well-spoken, in honour and simple truth. Well done guys! Cheering you on!
I would encourage you to watch more of his videos, he has hundreds of them. I spend hours watching and learning 🙏
I don’t get arrogance from Cliff, I get confidence that He can make a strong argument for Christ based on his faith and the Holy Spirit and of course the evidence of God. Cliff not only knows God through Jesus Christ, he also knows the other religions and their philosophies. If you don’t really know what you are talking about, you shouldn’t get into a long debate with a person who you realize knows more than what you do on the subject. You should just ask questions. That way you will learn without being intimidated.
The guy who believes in karma answered his own question when he said that Jesus was, "so exact". That's the whole reason God chose a ppl, (The Jews) in the 1st place, so that we, (Gentiles) would have a precise knowledge of what God expects. Jesus personifies this precision by giving us the best definitions of love, truth & how to live, w/His life example.
Nonsence an omniscient omnipotent omnibenevolent God would not have a "preferred people" but would treat all the same. _"precise knowledge of what God expects"_ 😂🤣🤣🤣 please don't make me laugh. I think the requirement for apologists, biblical scholars and the vast array of conflicting and contradictory moral conclusions that are derived from christian theology more than adequately demonstrates the absurdity of your statement.
Christianity is separated into thousands of denominations. Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist - the list goes on. Estimations show there are more than 200 Christian denominations in the U.S. alone.
According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025.
Do they all agree about the trinity ?
Is the pope the head of the church?
Can priests marry ?
Birth control ?
Sexuality?
Can women be ordained ?
How to attain salvation?
The nature of mary ?
Dispensationalism vrs covernantalism
Freewill vrs predestination ?
Eternal security ?
Faith vrs works ?
Heaven ?
Hell?
Evolution?
Alcohol?
Literal or aligorical?
I'm going to stop here because I could literally go on for hours. They disagree and have different opinions with regard to all of the above that's precisely WHY they have different denominations. *ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE*
All these different gods and denominations past and present offer differing morality that has nothing to do with human wellbeing but often contradict and conflict with each other on almost every issue.
If YOU want to claim your particular god as the objective reference point for morality. You first have to demonstrate *objectively* that YOUR particular god EXISTS and is infact THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and *not merely the only true god in your subjective opinion*
That he is "MORAL" ( what standard did you use to judge this ? )
Are all the other gods and denominations other than yours false and yours true If so prove it . otherwise you offer nothing but a *subjective opinion on morality*
*CAN YOU DO THIS YES OR NO* ??
Please note if you are unwilling or unable to answer this basic question, then at least have the honesty to recognise the hypocrisy of your position.
Psalm 14:2-3 "The Lord looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one." We are corrupted beings, we all have evil in our hearts. Though we may not murder, or steal, or whatever we think is a big no, no, the evil we think in our hearts on a daily basis is corrupt. It is by CHRIST ALONE that we find salvation! All the evil I have done and thought... oh, how loving and merciful He is and we don't deserve it! He loves us so much to DIE for us, thank Him and praise Him! Peace and blessings!
Well said.
How could any rational person possibly believe that a god decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ???????
☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔
This has to be THE most illogical ideology imaginable, it fails on just about every conceivable level. But then again I supose that's to be expected when its origins lie in the myths , knowledge, and world views of superstitious, uneducated, primative, child sacrificing, tribesmen. But I digress, so anyway just who is it that gets punished for this "ORIGINAL SIN " ?
Well that's really rather confusing isnt it, firstly the snake (supposedly the devil) gets punished by having to crawl on its belly for the rest of its days. EXCEPT that the devil is later frequently discribed as "walking around " (an incredible achievement for a paraplegic) indeed he has no problem whatsoever scaling "unusually high mountains" demonstrating skills that would make a Nepalese sherpa green with envy 🤢🤢🤔
Then adam and eve lose their eternal life, except that if they were already eternal why did god also put a tree of eternal life in the garden and ban them from eating from it ?? 🤔🤔
Then of course we have Adam's decendants being punished for it, which seems highly illogical & imoral to me. 🤔 But to be fair the bible seems a little confused on the matter also 👇👇👇👇
The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10)
............................vrs..................
The son shall *not* suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. (Ezekiel 18:20, cf. Jeremiah 31:30)
You know to me that whole original sin biblical narative ( forbidden fruit ect ) seems analogous to me putting a loaded shotgun in a toddlers cot telling them not to touch it, and then being surprised when I hear a *BANG* 💥 and I'm not even omniscient 🤣😅🤣😅
But does this vicarious redemption ( scapegoating) solve the problem and lead to a just and moral solution ??
Well imagine a girl gets raped, they catch the rapist and he gets found guilty in court. The judge sentences him to life, but then says to him "dont worry I will serve your sentence for you"
Has the rapist recieved JUSTICE ???
Has the raped girl received JUSTICE ???
Of course not yet that is precisely what happens under the Christian vicarious redemption (scapegoating)
Nonsense ideology 🤬🤬
Infact it's an actual Tennant of christianity that even a child murder can be forgiven and go to heaven, if they but repent and believe. 🤮🤮
Your god CANNOT be both perfectly just and perfectly merciful.
Mercy is by definition a suspension of justice.
I'm going to stop here ( I have work ) and have not even finished addressing your first paragraph yet.
Who is us according to the bible bible acts 5/29/30/31 tell us christ die for Israel and scripture never mention no other nation unless you can prove the bible wrong
@@donaldcoleman514 Matthew 29:18 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" when the text says "all nations", that means everyone. So, not just Israel, or do you want to prove the Bible wrong? I have actually read through the Bible several times. It is God's word and it is Truth. Peace.
Gods wisdom never gets old! So interesting and uplifting to listen too.
i've watched all your'll videos the way your'll speak and so articulate with the words you use. when i try to talk to people about this i feel like i get to emotional and sensitive when speaking i've always ask jesus to help me with that but its always the same thing. but i think its to build me up.
Jesus is true when he says "they hate me with out a cause". Eventhough, the young man was respectful in his conversation but he made it clear he doesn't want Jesus to be true. Not only that, he wants Jesus to earn his trust eventhough he did it 2000 years ago by dying in the cross for the sins of all human beings.
Very sad with these young generation, they pretend as ethical and open minded but foolishness is what all they have. "professing to be wise but they become fools in their hearts"!
My understanding is that Jesus died to appease God's wrath and sense of retributive justice. We don't want or need a blood sacrifice. It doesn't help anyone.
@@spooky6902
I don't understand how you understand the Bible different than all the Christians for 2000 years. Your understanding contradicts the Bible, the disciples, church fathers, Christianity and so on.
If you are honest you can't come to that conclusion.
@@amanuelberhe4149 Romans 5:8-9 "But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God."
Why is my interpretation incorrect?
@@amanuelberhe4149 if you're honest, you'll acknowledge my interpretation is correct or tell me why it isnt
@@spooky6902 who is us according to the bible acts 5 /29/30/31 then peter and the other apostles answered and said we ought to obey God rather than men the God of our fathers raised up yahawashi whom you murdered by hanging on a tree him God has exalted to his right hand to be prince and saviour to Israel to give repentance to Israe and forgiveness of sins according to the bible the most high raised up yahawashi to be prince and saviour to Israel never mention no other nation unless you can prove it from the bible let's continue and forgiveness of sins according to the bible christ die to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins can you show me in scripture where he die for everyone
You are too intelligent for my head. I have a small head. But am learning from you everyday
You are very humble my friend you will go very far, God bless you.
He is well read. If someone teaches something, they have to know more than the subject they are teaching otherwise they would easily get stumped with tricky questions.
This is one of your better dialogues, guys!! God bless you and your ministry. Please keep posting more discussions with the students.
I beg to differ. Cliffe says he can't see God. I made a video to rebuke him for it. In this link th-cam.com/video/vXZx1FUd7Ko/w-d-xo.html . I show you up Jesus's nose 6 times in this Askcliffe (Give me an answer video from May 8th 2022. I am calling you out Cliffe and son!
Check out this discussion.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
HERE is The Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins, NOT jesus, and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Who did Jesus pray to if he was the Father? That's not logical to me. Was he the gnostic version?
@@tonyputman3398
1. To bare a “son” out of wedlock is a SIN, was “God” and Mary MARRIED? Then you are accusing “God” of sin
2. Your “New Testament” is the GREEK translation of the Hebrew Book of Isaiah and “THOSE” from Israel, who translated the Hebrew into Greek, REPLACED YaH The Heavenly Father with the Greek god ZEUS, where the name “jesus/he-ZEUS” and the “virgin birth” BLASPHEMY came from.
Now, PLEASE, go back and read what I shared
So encouraging to watch the crowd slowly but steadily growing as the discourse unfolds. A fantastic exchange and beautifully handled.
This video should go viral! What an amazing day for this guy talking to Cliffe. I really hope he sits down and reads the Word. Great job by Cliffe and his friend describing the Word and Jesus.
Amazing type of a preaching platform, profounf conversations, respectfully and objectively articulated. A real kingdom of God ambassador you guys are.
Learned a lot. Love from Botswana. Shalom
An individuals genuine faith in Jesus Christ has everything to do with who Jesus says He is, not about human ethnicities. Only Jesus Christ can combat and demolish racism and all other forms of hate.
Luke 10:27 💝
"So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
Revelation 21:8😈
The guy wouldn't let go of his preconceived bias against Jesus.
The second question is… if God created everything why did he create evil? Does Light create darkness? Does heat create cold? No and No. God did not create evil. We can study light and heat but we can only study them to understand their absence which leaves darkness and cold. We must know God because he is Good before we can know evil. We must know Truth to know the lie.
Where there is no light there is darkness. Where there is no heat there is cold. Where there is no truth there are lies. Where there is no God there is Evil.
I'm sorry but do you not realise that it was GOD that created evil on the first place. ?
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Isaiah 45:7
7 *"I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and create EVIL I the Lord do all these THINGS"*
Do you really believe that a god then decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ???????
☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔
This has to be THE most illogical ideology imaginable, it fails on just about every conceivable level. But then again I supose that's to be expected when its origins lie in the myths , knowledge, and world views of superstitious, uneducated, primative, child sacrificing, tribesmen. But I digress, so anyway just who is it that gets punished for this "ORIGINAL SIN " ?
Well that's really rather confusing isnt it, firstly the snake (supposedly the devil) gets punished by having to crawl on its belly for the rest of its days. EXCEPT that the devil is later frequently discribed as "walking around " (an incredible achievement for a paraplegic) indeed he has no problem whatsoever scaling "unusually high mountains" demonstrating skills that would make a Nepalese sherpa green with envy 🤢🤢🤔
Then adam and eve lose their eternal life, except that if they were already eternal why did god also put a tree of eternal life in the garden and ban them from eating from it ?? 🤔🤔
Then of course we have Adam's decendants being punished for it, which seems highly illogical & imoral to me. 🤔 But to be fair the bible seems a little confused on the matter also 👇👇👇👇
The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10)
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The son shall *not* suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. (Ezekiel 18:20, cf. Jeremiah 31:30)
You know to me that whole original sin biblical narative ( forbidden fruit ect ) seems analogous to me putting a loaded shotgun in a toddlers cot telling them not to touch it, and then being surprised when I hear a *BANG* 💥 and I'm not even omniscient 🤣😅🤣😅
But does this vicarious redemption ( scapegoating) solve the problem and lead to a just and moral solution ??
Well imagine a girl gets raped, they catch the rapist and he gets found guilty in court. The judge sentences him to life, but then says to him "dont worry I will serve your sentence for you"
Has the rapist recieved JUSTICE ???
Has the raped girl received JUSTICE ???
Of course not yet that is precisely what happens under the Christian vicarious redemption (scapegoating)
Nonsense ideology 🤬🤬
Infact it's an actual Tennant of christianity that even a child murder can be forgiven and go to heaven, if they but repent and believe. 🤮🤮
Your god CANNOT be both perfectly just and perfectly merciful.
Mercy is by definition a suspension of justice.
💌 My dear, you have a polarized view that separates light from darkness. They are not separate. They appear to be so, but are not. For God DIRECTLY creates good and INDIRECTLY creates evil. They both come from God as the Source of all things. If God is not the author of good and evil, then God is not Soveriegn ! Think about that.🤔
In Isaiah 45:7 God declares, *I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.*
God allows evil, which He indirectly created to take its course. He in His *Divine Wisdom* doesn't stop suffering. Because we are here for a short time. And we are here to be developed and tested. For there is no possible way we can grow up and mature without trials and tribulations. Just receiving good will spoil us and cause us to lose our souls.
Here's a fair question: 🔹️ How would God know who belongs to Him if He does not try us with evil to see our reactions? 🔹️How would God know who is loyal to Him and fit for the kingdom of heaven if He does not test us ???
I know its hard to accept. But ... nothing exist without God's permission because God is the Supreme Source of all things. *Everything in your life is for a divine reason, and making key choices for your salvation is in your hands. Life was not designed for lasting happiness. It is a great test.*
Remember that.
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Please read Job chapter 1 and 2, and its last chapter. It shows us how to deal with suffering.
@@mtalk828 What utter piffle, he doesn't stop suffering because _"we are here for a short time and we are here to be developed and tested"_ you say 🤮🤮🤮
Just how is a young child that is subject to repeated RAPE being "developed" ??? Does the amount of time he puts up with it before committing suicide class as a " Test " to see if he is worthy of spending eternity worshipping some narsochistic super being ????
This is what religious indoctrination does to people, it forces them to reconcile even the most abhorrent actions as somehow reasonable and moral. 😡😡😡 shame on you and those like you. Although you may be willing to sacrifice your reasoning and humanity at the alter of Yarweh for the promise of an afterlife.
It's a price I'm not willing to pay.
Shows that there are 3 replies but I can't see any. MANY comments showing the same phenomenon. Why is TH-cam so actively hiding the words of believers and unbelievers attempting to dialogue? (Rehtorical question. The Bible tells the world who likes to silence God's word(s))
@@NotOfThisWorld567 I'm lucky to see 50% of comments lately
it's always a pleasure to watch your videos, thanks for the good work :)
All praise, honour, and glory belongs to Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords.
Amen ❤️
What about the father?
@@ykm257 John 5:23 ❤️
@@ykm257 Psalm 2:12❤️
@@vanessab2726 John 14:28❤️
I’ve been following this channel for a while and I have to say every single video I’ve seen that has come from this ministry has been nothing but refreshing and respectful and I just wanted to say thank you for doing what you do.
Can you name a single valid point ever made on this entire channel?
The most important class you will ever attend, is in the courtyard... hallelujah
LOVE IT !! John 3:16 -everyone is so respectful of each other and everyone holds an intellectual conversation.
Recently bought Cliffe’s book and it’s absolutely amazing. What this man is doing is truly increíble. His story should be heard all around and he has helped me and so many others turn to Jesus. It’s an honor to have found this channel and share these moments with cliffe and his audience. I’m going to try and get in touch with cliffe and personally thank him for his mission. God bless
Link to his audio books.th-cam.com/video/KwT0YkkwMRE/w-d-xo.html
These discussions are SO important and SO helpful. I love how they all listen to each other without interruption having a mature conversation with genuine questions. and looking at their faces they are so honest about it too. This channel is doing tremendous good that we desperately need in our youth. thank you
I received Christ Jesus as my Savior when I was a boy in South Dakota . I have led people to Christ on the streets I was educated more by watching this video thank you Brother's
Has anyone heard anything quite so utterly nonsensical, so repugnant to logic and reason as a god crying out to himself wondering why he has been forsaken, by himself?!!
Paraphrase Michael Sherlock.
@@ramptonarsecandle it's sad to me some people become so educated that there ambition in life is to deceit the young and worship themselves. God places on the Tablets of your heart to know right from wrong
@@jameslang1367 I presume you're talking about christian priests.
Amusing you talk about education yet you can't even spell "their". Laughable. And there is no god, yours or anybody else's.
@@ramptonarsecandle stop worshipping yourself... you'll go blind
@@ramptonarsecandle He was also human.
We don’t know if it was an apple just wanted to point that out…. Amen, love the ministry keep it up guys
Joshua Butts I noticed that as well. "Fruit" is a better choice. When we hear things proclaimed wrongly repeatedly they become our "truth". The world is watching and listening. Psalm 141:3 Set a guard, O LORD, over my mouth; Keep watch over my lips.
the bible never mention an apple the tree of knowledge
It’s impossible to be intelligent and spiritually minded at the exact same time. After all, we, Christians, have seen the light and those who believe differently than us ~ haven’t. Our selfish ego blindly drives us to passionately persuade others who are different than us to think, reason and believe just as we do. God is Love, not Ego!
AMEN
It’s impossible to be intelligent and spiritual at the same time? Maybe your interpretation of spirituality just doesn’t make sense?
@andrew
Maybe you dont want it to make sense.
I'm fortunately here before all the Atheists get here to ruin the videos with their disingenuous statements and silly defenses for their LACK OF BELIEFS 🤔😂
@Our Savior lol I was just gonna say the same thing
@Our Savior U wish I wouldn’t what? I don’t understand.
Has anyone heard anything quite so utterly nonsensical, so repugnant to logic and reason as a god crying out to himself wondering why he has been forsaken, by himself?!!
Paraphrase Michael Sherlock.
The Father is not the Son. What is more nonsensical than making strawmen to slay them to support your man made delusions?
Thats one of the most relatable parts of the bible imo. How often have we felt sorry for ourselves and said something similar in anger or dispare. Thats when Jesus bore the sins of the world and died for us, God is sinless perfection, and at that moment had to distance himself from Jesus because he was bearing that weight of sin, the most perfectly human response I could imagine.
@@theparadigmshift74 your god and your Jesus don’t exist, that much we do know.
Body, Soul and Spirit all of this on human body. BODY is container of human being. SOUL is Mind, Thought, imaginations, etc that human have to separate us from animal. SPIRIT is our life .
Your Body + Soul, without your Spirit : we called DEAD
Your Soul + Spirit, without your Body : we called GHOST
Your Body + Spirit, without your Soul : we called MENTAL ILNESS 👈 You still have you Brian
17:20, Absolute slight of hand how he tries to illustrate the first commandment of the Bible! No! The reason the Bible talks about "not having any other gods before me (YHWH)" is because the term used for "god" in the OT is, Elohim! Elohim is a plural word (meaning, more than one). If you know your Bible, you know the angels! Did you ever notice how every angels' name ends.... in "EL"? That is because they are from the house of Elohim! Gabri-EL, Micha-EL, Azaz-EL, Rapha-EL! These were all known as "gods", even if they were "lesser" than the top gods! You see this in Greco-Roman pantheon, Hinduism and of course, the stories that pre-date the Bible by thousands of years, the Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian gods, the Anunna (Anunnaki).
This is why Moses was so pissed after retrieving the tablets at the top of Mt Sinai and returning to the bottom to find his people, worshiping a golden calf! Can you think of any religions that revere calfs/cows as sacred? That is because these "gods", drew lots and picked their regions of Earth to rule over. Also, the Tower of Babel, divided everyone so we would not be so powerful as a collective. And we still buy in to this bullshit! At least some people do!
I love the comment at 11:09 “it hasn’t happened again” :) sometimes we don’t realize what we say. I love watching deniers not yet in their walk with Christ, speak. They slip in ways they don’t recognize. I used to as well, I was once a blasphemer, denier and very blind. I rarely listen to secular music anymore but when I do, I hear love songs to God himself yet those people don’t quite recognize it. Their hearts yearn for him so desperately. I wish they knew him, I pray they know him, I pray that we all end up in heaven, rejoicing in heavenly voices and shouting out in cheer to our Lord almighty for rescuing and redeeming us from our pits of sin and death. All hail the almighty Lord our God and Master Jesus Christ. ♥️
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.✝️
Where in scripture can I find that
Wonderful evangelism. Amen
evangelism of easu
Evil does not exist. God is literally Consciousness Itself and we are IN Consciousness. The universe is, therefore, nondualistic... so, God is the sole Existence. No sin. No evil. No need for redemption. We as humans are simply dissociated perspectives of "God" with which Consciousness perceives of the Reality it "creates"... read Advaita Vedantin philosophy for an ancient, Indus Valley take or read/watch Dr. Bernardo Kastrup for a modern take.
This is amazing.
How exciting to see the gospel of Jesus Christ taught on our college campuses!! I love how you approach them from an intellectual standpoint to get them thinking.. next step saving their souls and praying for God to do the work in their hard hearts!!
Hallelujah 🙏 ❤️ thank pastor Cliff your so intelligent and genius preacher of Jesus 🙏
Animals do get caught up in suffering Animals do suffer I've heard enough these guys are a joke
La gente enferma porque tenemos un cuerpo adámico, es decir, el cuerpo al pecar en el edén está sujeto a la muerte y heredamos esa naturaleza, pero Jesucristo nos dara un nuevo cuerpo glorificado (sin pecado) en la nueva Jerusalén (después del juicio final a todos sus hijos. Ahí no habrá muerte, enfermedad ni llanto ni dolor (Apocalipsis 21)
Absolutely love these healthy, seed planting discussions. So much respect for the students participating. Just.Make.Disciples.
AMEN I really appreciate brother Cliffe Knechtle's Christ centered and Scripturally accurate content for the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ ❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
You can't receive the Holy Spirit unless you repent of your Sin and Jesus was not talking about the physical temple being torn down, He was talking about His crucifixtion and His ressurection
@@jeffreyrobuck3288 Ok AND that's what I said
@@jeffreyrobuck3288 It's spelled resurrection and I'm talking about The Temple of Jerusalem not when Christ was speaking about reviving Himself in 3 days you need to listen and read
@@jeffreyrobuck3288 The destruction of the temple from Isiah IS talking about the physical temple, though.
@Our Savior I agree
All that evil comes from the angel Lucifer who chose to use his (freewill) to sin and influence humanity to sin with him. We have a redeemer in Jesus Christ. Yes Jesus rose HE'S GOD The Almighty. Only (ONE true GOD) by definition or He wouldn't be GOD. You can't prove He doesn't exist because HE DOES.
John 14:6 👑
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 8:44
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it"
I loved the way he demonstrated idolatry
The Biblical desert god Yahweh is a fictional character invented by Hebrew writers to console and control members of their tribe.
Evil is a fact of life with or without a god belief.
That was my school.. happy to see everyone being respectful.
This makes me answer some questions on how I would like to present a gospel, if I had the courage and repentance to be so. Thank you for speaking out bodly to these individuals. Praise our king 🙏🙏
Cliffe and Stuart Rock!
Best defense of a person saying “have you studied all faiths? If not you can not know Jesus is the way”
Really? I ask “have you studied every single number combination that uses two and equals three? If not how can you know only two plus one equals three?”
It seems like God can't live without praise and prayers so I suggest you all stop praying now and he will disappear.
Life will be far better without God.
The difference between believing in all the Hindu gods vs. believing in Jesus is that all the other gods were created beings. The God of the Bible is outside of creation, He always existed, and is seen in the person of Jesus Christ. Atheists may think of Jesus as just another god, that science can eventually explain away, like the Greek god of lightning. But this is not the God of the Bible. God is eternal, the Creator of everything, and Jesus is our Creator (see John 1, Colossians 1, and Hebrews 1).
I believe the Hindu gods and goddesses, and other religions as well, are just demons self proclaiming they are gods... They always wanted to be like God..they can do stuffs, like the priests with Moses did miracles, but only the true God prevail.
@@ssv7195 I think that as well, but we can also create false gods in our head. Anything we choose to worship, becomes a false god.
But, you are right Ephesians 6:12 talks about some of them.
Very beautiful and simple way of presenting the Gospel of Christ, without shouting and without prejudice, simply conversing and giving participation to those present, I loved it! GBYG!
Just came upon Cliffe 3 days ago, he is an amazing teacher. #subscribed!
He's a religious nut job. He shouldn't be allowed on college campuses. Tantamount to child abuse.
Amazing teacher of what according to the bible psalm 147 19/20 tell us the most high never dealt with any other nation so what would an edomite know about the words statutes or judgment of the most high show me in scripture where an edomite an none Israelite know anything about the most high words
I have a question. Cliffe said "love in order to be real it must be free". He used that logic to claim man must have free will. So my question is this. In the God head can the Son stop loving the Father? Can the Father not love the Son? And if it is impossible for God the father to not love God the Son ( which i believe is impossible) then would you say it's not real love?
the answer is we know Jesus is special and even people admit that no man ever spoke like this so it is straight forward that he is the one to resurrect and other religions are false as you yourself said no other religious leader resurrected yyyy
Thank you!
How to find the right God? Same way you find reality with evidence, testing, reason, logic & objectivity.
@@ChrisTheKing172 Irrelevant to the method, this method is how we find objective reality yet not every person finds reality or agrees on it, still the method works as it finds what's true on its own and this does not require personal agreement nor does it require a 100% same answer.
@@ChrisTheKing172 Christian, Muslim, Atheist (No God) each is the same sharing the belief they believe is true.
But the truth of the matter is the only one that shouldn't exist in an age of science & knowledge is the Atheist (No God) position.
God is just a title meaning First, creator, sustainer, it is however a title that people have a lot of baggage with so rather than use that title I will use a synonym of that title "Source".
A source does not need to be able to think or feel or be personal or have personhood, but a source a first that results in a chain that creates and sustains the universe is required.
Universe either started requiring a source or the universe is eternal in which it is the source.
Either way a source is needed each group may call this source something different and claim different things about it but each group agrees a source is required so the only position that should logically not exist is the Atheist (No Source) position, we can dispute about features, attributes, functions of the source but we cannot logically deny a source exists.
Just to be ahead of the whole Atheist meaning, people say they're Atheist but what they should say is they are Anti-Theist because that is generally what they are, I just used what most will understand and even added (No God)/(No Source) for clarity and I will provide even more clarity and define the positions so you can understand how it is not lack of belief but a lack of consideration that makes someone an atheist aka the ignorant position.
All people are Atheists, same as: All criminals are innocent - True for every crime they didn't commit except that is not how we operate, one is enough to be something. 1 crime = Criminal, 1 Child = Parent, 1 Answer = Apologist. Atheist is a passive position that a baby or child has until they ask, God? At which point God has entered the world view thus no longer passive, no longer atheist, it's like virginity once its gone you never get it back. You than become either Anti-Theist, Agnostic or Theist.
Follows no God but rejects at least 1 God claim = Anti-Theist
Follows at least 1 God, rejects all other God claims = Theist
Considers God but doesn't accept or reject any God claim = Agnostic
Doesn't Consider any God claim at all = Atheist
The reality of the situation is true on its own and does not require you to agree thus disagreeing because you think, feel or want different is meaningless, so if you just want to disagree and argue than you're wasting your time as your thoughts, wants or feelings on the matter do not affect it at all.
@@ChrisTheKing172 I am answering your questions of what and why.
How do you find objective morality? The same way you find objective reality.
Reality is what three or more in isolation can agree on without conspiring = Objectively true.
With objective truths it doesn't matter if you agree with them or not that is the beauty of them and why they work e.g. Take a tree ask three different people separately one at a time to describe that thing over there if they describe the same thing then that thing is objectively real, with only two people one could be colour blind leading to two opposing reports "it's a blue thing", "it's a red thing", that is why a minimum of three is needed.
The more people aka the majority who report the same information on what that thing over there is without conspiring (Talking to each other) reveals that thing is real aka reality and that means it's an objective truth which is how you were able to discover it to be real in the first place.
(Note: Discovering the truth not creating it)
Similarly you don't find morality by asking people what they will allow to happen to others you find morality by observing what they won't allow others to do to them.
A thief will say stealing from people is fine but don't steal from them = Stealing is wrong.
You then apply the majority filter to this as you will find some want to be stolen from but the majority position is stealing from them is wrong = Stealing is wrong.
Now just like the colour blind person there is people with deviances or issues which will make them Atypical so when we take stock of morality just like we did with reality we find there are objective truths even though these truths are not 100% agreed upon nor is that agreement required as the truth is revealed in the majority just like the truth of the tree was revealed in the majority. This holds true for just about everywhere meaning all people couldn't conspire with all people and it couldn't be taught to them as some had never had outsiders until that time, yet even though the different peoples of the world are separate and different from each other in so many ways when compared it reveals a unknowing consensus among the peoples on morality, steal from them but not from me (stealing is wrong), I can cheat on you but you cannot cheat on me (adultery is wrong), take their life not mine (murder is wrong).
This unknown consensus reveals there is indeed objective morality just like how the unknown consensus among the peoples revealed there is indeed objective reality.
(Note: Truth found not made)
There is a underlying morality that the world agrees on without conspiring = Objectively true.
@@ChrisTheKing172 Put two basic definitions together and you get man made = Supernatural. Thus a Supernatural source aka God is required.
Nature definition: the physical world and everything in it that is not made by people.
(Humans do things beyond natures ability)
Supernatural comes from the Latin word supernaturalis, meaning beyond nature.
Humans do things beyond nature =
Humans do Supernatural things.
Supernatural cannot come from nature as it is Beyond Nature thus requiring a supernatural source aka God.
How basic observations lead to God:
Mind- Supernatural events need supernatural sources, surgery is a supernatural event which comes from the human mind thus the human mind is supernatural, its source pointing to a God/god like being. (Supernatural = Beyond nature)
Body- Space matter and time began to exist which requires a source beyond space matter and time pointing to a God/god like being.
Spirit- In order for objective Morale laws to exist there needs to be a standard of absolute good to be able to measure anything less results in subjective Morales this points to a God/god like being.
You don't have to believe anything at all exists but you behave as if cars in the road exist because that is what the evidence suggests so you treat it as if it exists. I believe these observations is all that is needed for us to behave as if God exists and if there is a God we should do all we can to find and understand this being just like we would if evidence of any other life is found.
I would then suggest the Bible is a excellent starting place since it indicates that Mind, Body and Spirit is the image of God and is the image man was made in, as this is what we observe in the world since the claim and observation match that is itself evidence for the Bible that evidence considered with the claim that the Bible is God introducing himself to man shows this would be a smart starting place to seek God.
@@hiddenrambo328 I think you're leaving gaps here.
Specific religions contradict each other. So they are not all the same.
If there is no being who has the personal component ie is there is no one involved, the free choice paradigm exists with little foundation.
It is because we have free will given so that we can free choose and love, do as the lord wishes and do good to other.
Without God, there is no obligation to do good. Without God, all things are permissible, and killing and raping are not moral atrocities they just simply are.
Having doubts, I think means that a person is growing in their faith and seeking wisdom.
Doubt is an antonym of faith. Doubt is the first step to seeking wisdom. Faith is believing you're right regardless of wisdom
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Like all the secular humanists/naturalists who love to troll this channel! And wisdom suggests that there is more to all this than just knowledge and education...
@@jessebryant9233 I'm here to share my view on the subject of the video and discuss it with whoever. Do you want to do that?
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And I'm here to apply the same rules to BOTH sides and criticize the worldview of those who scoff and mock the Christian view, as well as those how are seeking or skeptical. So do you disagree with what I said just previously? If so, why?
@@jessebryant9233 you didn't make an argument. You just accused me of being a troll and that there is something more than knowledge and education? Do you agree that doubt is an antonym of faith?
lol i love cliff is in the background all happy hearing Stuart explain
I love how Cliff explained the first Commandment to the guy who believes in reincarnation and used an illustration with the girl.
Ask him to explain all 613 of them
@@donaldcoleman514 No
Why do ppl always blame God for the evil in the world? Instead of blaming the rightful owner and creator of evil, they blame God.
I never blame any god for evil actions. But then again, I am not 'people'. I am simply an individual person.
When good things happen, it's because of God. When bad things does, it's because of human nature. How convenient :)
The reason why people always looks at God when something evil happens is because God is in full control of everything. Satan cannot blink an eye without God allowing him to do so.
This is why the question why there is so much evil, pain and suffering if there is a loving all powerful God is the biggest question there can be and as of right now, there are no answer to it.
@Our Savior We all born as atheists. The fact that you then chose to believe one of ten thousand other religions are enough to be skeptical in any supernatural events. Bible contradicts itself many times. And is scientifically inaccurate.
I don't need god to know good from evil. The fact that people like you need a book like that as a moral guidance, is scary.
@Our Savior What did Jesus said when he died?
“Jesus is here in the form of the Holy Spirit”… Can you please explain this Cliffe? Are you saying this in the sense that both Jesus and the Spirit are God. Or are you saying that Jesus, in some way, became the Spirit or is the Spirit, rather than two separate persons of the Trinity?
I think he means that Jesus is here in the form of the holy spirit because both are God. They're not the same person of course, but both are God.
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
It might be that the girl would claim that Jesus is in heaven right now sitting at the right side of God the Father but the Holy Spirit is here with us as Jesus promised Him to send to us.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one God in 3 separate forms... Just like Ice, Water, and Steam are all H2⁰ in 3 separate forms.
@@GraftedOliveBranch I think it's better to say that God is three persons in the same essence. Otherwise it might become moralism.
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Fair enough. 👍
Cliff, may God bless you and your ministry. This is so educational!
I loved the dialogue and explanations…liked and subscribed
This ministry has been an incredible blessing to me, and has strengthened me as an apologist. Thanking GOD for Cliff and Stuart and praying for them and this ministry with earnestness and fervor!
Gosh these are so good I wish and pray all the skeptics of the world would watch these videos!
I'm a skeptic who watches these videos to prepare for talking to my family. Cliffe and Stuart regularly make false dichotomies and arguments from ignorance/incredulity, all supported by baseless assertions. What good point do you think they made?
Watching these videos confirms my skepticism. Cliffe and Stuart are clowns.
@Our Savior I'm not sure what you said there but most likely it wasn't imporant anyway.
@Our Savior Glad to help.
@Our Savior You seem to be the most reasonable person in the comments. I have asked this question to a few people and nobody will answer me. It is a sincere question not a gotcha type question or anything like that. In Proverbs there are two verses that contradict each other and they are kind of relevant because according to you and most people on here I'm probabaly considered a fool. I just wanted to know what you thought...
Proverbs 26:4-5 KJV
4. Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him.
5. Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Which one?
“I don’t believe in ghosts, like Casper.” That’s right Cliff. They’re called demons, which most certainly DO EXIST.
I think he was refering to dead peoples spirits who wonder the earth looking for people to haunt. I don't believe that either. However, I have heard Cliffe say he believes that demons are trying to harm people. And I believe this as well. In addition, we have angelic assistance, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit to help us through life.
demons don't exists either, nor do lepricons, fauns, mermaids or dragons.. ( well revelations speaks of a dragon, so you "believers" MUST agree that dragons are real ).. good luck with your manmade fairytale-religion 🤣
yo this debate is too good.. I see so many christians falsely representing us so this is amazing
19:38 this isn’t true in the slightest, what a horrible assumption this young man made.
First of all, I doubt if any of these students really understand what Christianity is, especially since it was labeled as religion. So I would hope that both Cliffe and Stuart would explain why Christianity is "different" than religion, explain what it is, what God did for us, and explain as to why false materialistic/prosperity christian shows are not to be misidentified as Christianity.
Second, I don't understand why Cliffe is negative about American nationality. Our founding was based on religious freedom, and our founding documents (our Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution) were without doubt in some way inspired by God. God recognizes borders, rightful government, nations, etc. Our nation is unique and if our laws were properly followed we would be and still are the best nation in the world.
Agreed
I agree, but there is a lot of corruption in our government and there is evidence that the Founding Father's may have been of the freemasonry, and there is plenty of evidence that freemasonry is against Christ.
Freedom of religion, is merely something created so that many different denominations of Christians did not face oppression or exclusion due to the dominant religion or organization of the day.
This could be good, this could be bad. There is a lot of bickering in how best to follow Christ. In our churches today in the states, we face usurping by Marxist agendas that were planted over 100 years ago. This turn the other cheek stuff and tolerance of things clearly against Christ's teachings got us to this point. Allowing separation of Church and state runs against what Christ wants: a unified Heaven and Earth.
Indeed, Adam's states that this Constitution was created for a moral and religious people. People are ditching religion, and we are fast approaching Sodom and Gammorah.
I do like Cliffe's videos.
@@rinzler9171 I enjoy them too....until he paints the entire white population as racists and thinks our country is not exceptional (when compared to others). I just think he could do better than to push that woke agenda.
So there’s zero documents of this nation proclaiming affiliation to a god and not inspired by god at all. Freedoms OF AND FROM religion. However there IS a document that states we are indeed NOT a Christian nation. You should check out the treaty of Tripoli, article 11. It reads;
Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, which declares that “the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,” has long been a fixture of debates over the separation of church and state.
@@jsk5633 And exactly what did George Washington do after his swearing in? What did they do as they struggled in writing our Constitution? Separation of church and state does not mean separation from God or from Christianity. Nonetheless, the argument is is this nation exceptional, especially in terms of its founding, the recognition of God-given rights, and its form of govt. I say yes.
I do not believe that God allows evil and bad things to happen, I believe it's we people who cause evil and bad things to happen. Stop blaming God, he didn't do it.
@Jayla So.......then this "god" is more interested in human's "free will" than having a universe existing like it actually wants? And if that is actually the case,....this "god" is more interested in the "free will of a rapist" over the "free will of the victim to not be raped" [as an example]?
@Jayla " If someone forced you to love them, would it be true love at all?"
In effect, the "god" of Christianity _is_ forcing you to love them....else go to Hell. Under this doctrine, there is no other way.
"So why would God force you to do good or live the way He wants?"
I already do good. No "god" is telling me to do good. Nor have I heard any "god" tell me "the way it wants me to live". I only see people making claims about a "god".
"Hell is not a gimmick or trick. Matter of fact, it wasn’t even a place made for humans but for Satan and his demons that rebelled against God that deceived Eve, and had sin enter the world in the first place."
You all get so close.......
"God is interested in the rapist and the victim. As someone who has been sexually abused and raped, my sin is no greater than the man who defiled me."
I completely reject the notion that "all 'sin' is the same"! Do not let this absurd doctrine think you "as bad as the abuser"!!! You're better than that! Unless you....I don't know,...killed people or something.
"... but I lied, watched porn, was a stumbling block, ran to alcohol, etc."
As to my point above. None of these are even _remotely_ as bad as the abuser!!! Please don't forget that!
"We’ve all sinned..."
I haven't. A "god who requires your obedience" must first be verified to exist with compelling evidence first, else "sin" is irrelevant.
Bro literally clutching his purse
It’s not just America that has used religion as a club. Whenever religion wields power there will always be someone using that religion as a weapon. It’s not a cultural phenomenon, it’s a heart issue. We are all born sinful and tempted to act sinfully.
Lets to
These guys are false teachers. Literally no bible verses except 1 and constantly agreeing with the non believer. Don't trust them. Trust God instead.
What? That was mostly word salad...
He totally ignored the first girls question 💀
This is a beautiful conversation on both sides
So happy to see no hate on here only truth and love
I love how the girl in the blue with Gospel shirt on (Morgan) kept shaking her head indicating (saying no, she disagree) with what the guy next to her is saying about reincarnation and other religions etc.
If there is no god, then evil does not exist. So, that means god is a necessary condition for evil to exist. Why should we worship a god whose existence leads to evil?
Don't ask someone such uncomfortable questions, mate.
Cliff is sharp!!!... His display on "repeatability" blew my mind
We just rejected the falsehood of the world and embrace the truth of God, it has nothing to do with colonialism or dominance, thank you Cliffe and Staurt for the teachings,.Love from Africa, Zambia🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲
Look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS" Go to the domain "The Crucifix Fish Testifies"
I enjoyed this discussion, thank you for providing the content. Thank you to the students asking great questions.
Lets go
JN 10:27. JESUS SAID," MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE I KNOW THEM & THEY FOLLOW ME!"
suffering is here because God would not be a loving God if he did not give us free will but forced us to follow good
And that´s why he gives aids and ebola to billions of helpless starving children? Have you ever given this a second thought?