The Truth About Flying With A Gun
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Ready to learn how to legally fly with a gun like a pro? Join Me in this comprehensive guide as I share my expert tips and insights on navigating the complexities of traveling with firearms.
I’ve flown with a gun so many times that it honestly baffles me when people ask me if you’re allowed to fly with a gun? After I say yes, I’m even more baffled as I realize they mean can you bring the gun on the plane.
In this must-watch video, I breaks down the process into easy-to-follow steps:
1️⃣ Bag Check: Learn the crucial pre-flight checklist to avoid any unwanted surprises at the TSA checkpoint.
2️⃣ Airline Check: Discover the differences in airline policies and ensure a smooth journey by reviewing your chosen carrier's firearm guidelines.
3️⃣ Law Check: Stay on the right side of the law by understanding the gun regulations in every state you'll visit during your trip.
4️⃣ The Case: Explore the essential details about the TSA-required hard-sided lockable case and find out which one is my top choice.
5️⃣ Ammo: Learn the correct way to transport ammunition separately from your firearm, all while staying within the weight limit.
6️⃣ Baggage Claim: Uncover the unpredictability of where your bag will be upon arrival and what to expect when retrieving it.
7️⃣ Load and Make Ready: I demonstrate how to safely and legally load your firearm after you've reached your destination.
This video a must-watch for anyone planning to travel with a gun. Don't risk making costly mistakes-get informed and ensure your firearm journey is hassle-free and lawful.
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Made a rookie mistake a long time ago of not having ammo in a appropriate container. SWA took all my ammo. The Check-in supervisor said the ammo would be “properly disposed of”. I bet, right at the police range no doubt.
And that’s why you just don’t fly lol
What did you have the ammunition in? I keep my magazines loaded and have never had an issue.
I live in California & have had zero problems flying with guns so far. Knock on wood lol
One time I did my bag check thoroughly, so I thought... turned out that I missed two loaded glock mags in the hidden secret pocket in back of the bag... when the xray picked it up, I was looking at them like wtf? Then I realized where I had left them. TSA COULD NOT FIND THEM.. I had to show them where they were.. the unt from tsa called the cops immediately... they came up, told them what happened. They said were sorry sir, but we cannot let you take those mags at all now... I told them okay... keep em.. I donate them to local law enforcement enforcement... he said they had to destroy them... okay, then they let me go... I was pretty happy and relieved.... didn't make that mistake twice...
@@shagnasty6391 I'm sure the officer donated them right into his pocket and wrote up the paperwork stating that they were destroyed. What cop would turn down free magazines?
I hear that flying with a gun is the most sure fire way to keep your bags from going missing. The airline doesn't want to run the risk of having to deal with the ATF if they misplace someone's firearm.
That's the one thing I'll give the ATF credit for.
That’s a good point
Never heard of that personally. Flying with guns is extremely routine, and if you pay attention at a baggage claim, there will be people flying with guns on your flight almost certainly.
They don’t care. My team had several full auto rifles “disappear” once. That sure sucked.
@@targgthewise2892 "I lost my guns in a skyboating accident."
@@targgthewise2892 holy shit. NFA weapons stolen??? Wow
We were delayed, and nearly weren't allowed to disembark on a cruise because my wife had a single, spent .556 casing she kept in her purse as a remembrance of her father's funeral (a Vet). None of the idiot security even knew the difference between an inert spent casing, and a live round - badgering us why we would bring "ammunition" on board, asking where the "gun" was etc etc. It took two hours of this nonsense before the captain came down, took one look, apologized, and let us board.
Maybe to bypass that she could have made a neckless out of it and just took it off during the metal check. Not saying it's not still ridiculous one time when i was a kid i had a dime in my pocket i forgot about during airport security and the guy yelled at me "step back" because it set of the detector he only chilled out after i took the dime out
Should have just mailed it
Thats nice of her to have that. never heard anybody doing that. Vet myself
In what country did you go on to the cruise ship, what country flag did the ship have and what countries did you visit with the cruise ship? Because you know, most other countries don’t allow their civilians to have guns or bullets. That’s why is so safe in these countries. The USA has the most civilian owned guns and the most shootings and shooting victims on this planet and Americans love to use their guns. Most other countries don’t tolerate guns or shootings. And therefore it’s clear that cruise ships won’t allow you to take any guns, bullets or other weapons on to the cruise ship.
No idea why this happens but nearly every time I fly my right shoulder sets off the metal detector. I've had no surgery there and nothing is in my shoulder yet it's happened more than once. I usually just get a groping on my shoulder by the TSA and am allowed to be on my way. But it's still very strange. I work out a lot and usually make a cheesy joke about the gym paying off. It often falls flat though and barely gets a smile lol.
I had to fly to DC for an expo with a *non-functional* prototype firearm. Going to DC, super easy. Flew out of my airport, they saw it was a demo and not capable of firing live rounds, zero paperwork.
Flying back FROM DC: Total nightmare. I had to declare it as a real firearm, and the agent freaked out because the mock gun was borderline artillery-sized. I flew with an actual firearm because I stayed in Virginia during the trip, and the TSA of DC cared far more about a mostly 3D printed concept piece, than the actual gun I brought. Upon returning home, the prototype was waiting in the customer service area, however my actual handgun was in my checked bag on the carousel where anyone could have grabbed it.
Clown show. Every other time I've flown with a firearm, which is every time I fly, zero issues. Unless I'm in the DC area.
DCA is in Virginia though, so at no point should DC anyone have been involved
@@MrHav1kexactly
@@MrHav1k You are correct, sir. I colloquially refer to places nearby DC as "DC" anyways out of convenience.
That said, the airport experience was still just as cartoonishly bad as I described.
It's a political statement from the DC authorities which means, "if the unit should be legal, then you should be ready for it to get stolen by any criminal AS WELL [since we deal with investigating these thefts a lot, and it's kinda hard because we're not robots and we can only care so much], or WE should at least be eager to accept the opportunity to investigate A LOT of cases where these products get stolen."
Is there any doubt as to whether our political party, comprised solely of vigilantes, was doomed to die (and that none of its members were developmentally at the stage where everyone else develops souls -- they were all anomalies)?
FFS, gameboys are barely justifiabl/legal. Why talk about arms so much?
I spent 2 months in New Mexico last spring doing a ton of shooting. I check my 2 rifles and 4 pistols without a hiccup but didn't realize that I had ONE light primer strike .22lr in my coat pocket. I was soon whisked away to the "Room" where I was sure I was going to get a inside out cavity search. The TSA had called the El Paso police and they came with to the room and stood there with their hands on their weapons. one of the officers looked at the round and said "yeah that's not going to fire at all" and then left. Thank god this happened in El Paso and not a place like California or New York.
They inspected all of the primers?
Where in the hell in NM did you go you went to El Paso to "fly in?" Unless it was near the Las Cruces area or the Gila, that makes zero sense.
If he was in Southern New Mexico it makes perfect sense.
Or Illinois. Glad all is well
Why do you emphasize where their hands were as if its a bad thing?
Your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed... but we have all these conflicting laws and regulations which are designed to limit and trip-up law-abiding folks but for which criminals will never, ever follow.
And politicians never have to follow in the first place.
Never know you could be a terrorist and not even know it your self.
@@transtubular Name a politician that was arrested or detained for illegally owning firearms, bringing firearms onto airlines illegally, or really just any illegal activity revolving around firearms. I'll wait.
But these laws make it easier to catch those criminals who would take advantage of the 2nd amendment. So I don't see what the problem with restricting firearms is. Because it goes against the 2A? If that's the only reason then maybe we should think about making some changes to it.
@@truesentrie1185 Hunter Biden?
Speaking from experience; when your case is wiped down by TSA and the agent says, “Sir, your case came back positive for explosive residue.” You may not want to respond with, “No shit, Sherlock. It’s a gun case.” 😂
Gun cases do not test positive for explosives, unless you have been playing with Semtex, C4 or similar materials.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 Or if you use facial moisturizers with glycerine...
@@charliefoxtrot5001 I have had a gun case (specifically, the foam inside a current-design Glock case) test positive for explosives way back when the geniuses at TSA in the Austin airport hand checked all bags with declared firearms. They had to get a supervisor but they were eventually like "okay". I left the "no shit, Sherlock" in my internal monologue. LOL! But I was highly annoyed and they have thankfully stopped tossing bags with guns and just X-ray them.
@@dannysnyder6791 Cool story, bro! Did you know that pretty much all US currency in circulation tests positive for trace amounts of cocaine? How many people test positive for cocaine residue at airport scanners? Yes, those scanners also test for narcotics, yet I have not seen a single person testing positive. The same way I have not tested positive when shooting and flying on the same day. 🤷
@@charliefoxtrot5001 certain hand lotions will cause a false positive for explosives with the TSA scanners Jeff Dunham has a bit in one of his old acts because the lotion he uses caused the butt of one of the puppets to test positive.
THANK YOU!!!!!! The first comprehensive video on flying with a gun. I am a cop @ a NY airport. And I have seen so many people arrested because they did not follow these steps. EVERY AIRLINE SHOULD HAVE A LINK TO THIS VIDEO ON THEIR WEBSITE….. Thank you for doing this. Other flying videos I have seen I had to comment about things they said were wrong, or left out. This is a perfect video.
The best piece of advice is to be prepared during check-in to follow whatever instructions the attendant gives you. No matter how many times you’ve done this, even with the same airline at the same airport, it seems like each time is different. Every attendant has their own interpretation of how this works. I’ve even had a couple of times where I had to tell them how to do it because they had no clue. It’s always a bit of an adventure.
That's been my experience as well!
Kinda bad when even the attendants don’t know anything 😂
If only I had seen this video 6 months ago. This past March I accidentally had loose ammo in my carry on bag on a flight home from Turks and Caicos. JFK missed it on the way down, it was found while I was attempting to board my flight home. I was arrested, charged, spent 6 days in jail and had to surrender my passport and fight the case in which they were trying to send me to jail for 12 years. Yes, you read that right. Fortunately I was able to find a great attorney who was able to argue for special circumstances. There is no plea bargaining down there, so it was either 12 years or nothing. To make a long story short, I was very fortunate. A very expensive mistake. Moral of the story, know what is in your bags at all times and equally important, know the laws of the places you are visiting. Another great video CN.
So you only were charged at the island? or have you had trouble with US laws as well?
One critical thing you didn't mention- the lock(s) used to secure the case with your firearm/ammo in it must NOT be TSA locks (the kind that TSA agents all have a key for); the lock must be openable only by you.
@@darklordzqwertythat's just not true
@@darklordzqwerty It is a violation of Federal Law to lock your gun with any lock that somebody besides for you has a key for. DO NOT PUT A TSA LOCK ON A GUN CASE.
Besides for the fact that TSA all has keys for it, TSA masterkeys are very common and anybody can buy them online for about 5 bucks.
@@kairodriguez3934you’re wrong. It’s literally on TSAs website that it does not need to be TSA approved and nobody can open your gun case without you present. If they need to see inside they’ll ask you to come by then and show them.
Using a tsa lock is the best quickest way to go and the passenger isn't allowed in baggage when the gun is checked if it needs to be checked
@@davidbean1218sometimes they will let it slide if you use a TSA lock but it’s against their official policy & if you’re going to try it you better have other locks with you so you don’t risk missing your flight having to go out & buy new locks if they make an issue of it.
Security theater at its best. This B.S. is exactly why the Patriot Act and TSA need to be fully abolished.
I do agree that flying with a firearm shouldn’t be anywhere near as difficult as it is right now. However, I can understand why the TSA is in place so we don’t have another 911 or other similar attacks. But none of that is gonna stop me from being frustrated from time to time with how annoying this whole ordeal can be😂
they're not even armed - what are they going to do? They need drug sniffing dogs or bomb teams. TSA is useless@@samritterbusch5716
@@samritterbusch5716 The TSA does not exist to protect anyone and has never been responsible for thwarting a single attack. On top of all the bullshit they do to inconvenience you, they’ve failed countless tests conducted by the FBI proving that they are incapable of even sniffing out a potential threat, let alone stopping an attack. Their job is to give the people who don’t know any better a false sense of security so they don’t get nervous about flying. Intelligence is why he haven’t had another 9/11, not the TSA.
@@samritterbusch5716lol dude tryna smuggle
@@samritterbusch5716 It's been shown time and time again that the TSA is completely ineffective.
I never go anywhere without mine. Unless of course I'm flying into a state like CA... but I just try to avoid that altogether
Seems that’s the state you’ll likely NEED one.
I fly to and from California with mine all the time. Find me with it you won't find me without it
@@oldmanjenkins771 Its so strange how the states with the strictest firearm laws always seem to be the most dangerous places to live in. Really gets the noggin jogging.
I don’t go to California. No exceptions.
@@Slavesforsale1 its a no brainer… take away guns from the good law abiding people, criminals have free reign and will become far more emboldened to commit crime and kill.
Flying through any NY City airport will get you an up close and personal meeting with the NY Port Authority Police Department. I was traveling from Oklahoma to Connecticut and I flew through New York City. When I flew into New York I didn't have any problems and the process was just as easy as you described in the video. When I flew back to Oklahoma I ran into an issue. The woman at the counter checked me in then called for the police. Two police officers approached and demanded my ID and airline tickets. I was on leave from military training so I showed them a copy of my orders and pass. They looked at my weapons, ran the serial numbers on them, and told me to stand by while they went to have a conversation with each other. I think that they didn't arrest me because I was on orders and not breaking any laws. Federal law allows you to travel with locked firearms but New York City will arrest you for having the audacity to travel with a firearm in their city. A few days after arriving in Oklahoma I found out that a diamond merchant was arrested for carrying a gun in New York City.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean you won't get hassled for exercising your rights and obeying the laws.
Check the regs. To help avoid the hassle you may still be allowed to have your firearms listed on your orders. Usually it will have Type, Serial Number and may have a statement "Authorized to Hand Carry" on the orders. Before 911 I traveled to Korea With My Shotgun (disassebeled) in my carry-on. Best part was you get escorted through the checkout & to the aircraft to meet the pilot to let him know you have a weapon. Ultimately it's up to the airlines.
@@John-li6tn I was at Fort Sill for BOLC, went to Connecticut on Christmas block leave, and couldn't leave anything in the hotel. NYC just likes to disregard federal law and take as many firearms off the streets, even if there aren't any laws being broken.
I understand, on the way back home I ran into a TSA Agent (before they were Frederal) who hassled me & insisted I had to put them in my stowed baggage. Just trying to give you a possible way to elevate the hassle. You may have been able to put it on your orders to Ft Sill & showed it to them.
New York is the absolute MOST difficult and time consuming. I have several buddies that are police officers, and under federal law HR 218, they are allowed to carry their guns in any state, including NY. Every one of them that have flown in/out of NY said that after going through the typical stuff indicated in this video, the NYPD Port Authority Officers showed up and escorted them to a private room. Then, in addition to checking the officer's badges and identification, they telephone the police department the officer works for to verify their employment. I'm not sure how they handle a retired officer that is sill within training compliance and is also allowed to carry via HR 218. My issue is not with them being thorough; my issue is that their process is generally guaranteed to take an additional hour in and of itself. So if you're flying in/out NY, get to the airport like at least 3-4 hours before your flight or you'll miss it.
That is absolutely not the case as to why they were called. Don’t misinform and cause mongering! NY Port Authority get called EVERY TIME there is a firearm checked as their weird policy is they have actually write a report and document it. If ever flying out of (not through or into) photocopy your DL a copy of TSA regulations/airline policy, and any military or LE ID and keep a copy in the case. I hand them over a photocopy of my ID’s that has the gun make/model/serial number on it and they are gone and on their way.
As a person who has flown with a gun and had to look this up independently for fear of catching federal charges, thank you so much for making this for those that don't know.
Also, for anyone interested, calling your local airport's TSA or sometimes knowledgeable staff from your airline is a great resource with people who want to make sure you're good to go and squared away.
But this video is concise and on point.
From someone who also flies commercial with firearms numerous times a year, this is the most comprehensive and succinct rundown I have seen to date, on the process. Good work, Colion!
I appreciate this video. Earlier this year, I gifted my sister a pistol. I inherited my fathers when he passed away and so I gave her my concealed carry. She had to fly home with it and we didn’t know the procedures and laws. It took us a while to figure things out but eventually she was able to return home with it lawfully. It would’ve been nice to have a video like this to reference and to guide us through the procedures. We were able to figure it out, but if we had a video like this, it would’ve taken a lot less time to figure out and a lot less worry. Even though we now have the knowledge is still good to post this video for those still trying to figure it out.
In PA all handgun sales thru FFL..except grandparent to grandchildren or parent to child. Would get complicated with not being a resident of PA.
Bro you have the internet, there was no excuse for you to not google the laws and what to do man
@@FlyAwayChi that is what we did but Google doesn’t like to give any 2A information up easily. I had to dig just to get to the TSA, airline and state law information. There is a lot of things that change year to year and if you look at the wrong place on google you could get into trouble. Having a video like this gives basic directions and a beginning point for people to start from. It’s also nice to to know what to expect.
@lisagardner6429 True I feel you
I dont fly anywhere because id rather drive, but im still gonna learn about it.
I’ve flown with guns a few times over the last couple of years. I have found it to be much less hassle than I was anticipating.
I would also add you should always add a tracker to each bag or case containing a firearm. This way not only do you know what area they have it, should it not be where you expect it the search can begin. In the pods I hide them under the foam. The pod in my truck always has an tracking tag in case the truck gets stolen or they manage to find the pod and get it out in the 1% of times I have to leave something in there.
Colion, thank you doing this video! This definitely helps reinforce what you can read on the airlines' website and state/local laws.
This is why I drive instead.
If I can't get to my destination by driving a vehicle myself then I'm not going simple as that
@@mr.nelson8663that's how I feel.
Depending on where you're going, it's usually faster anyway
@@LorenzoJ0 how? that makes no sense to me (unless your flying for like 45 minutes, which I assume is incredibly rare)
Never been to Europe huh?
Colion; Even my wife of 53 yrs enjoys your vids. We are super impressed with your knowledge and your delivery. Thank you for taking all the time it takes to inform the public of the many ways to enjoy weaponry. Just another happy subscriber.
I flew with one the first time this summer, and was shocked how little fuss they made. Leaving Tampa the airline lady walked me over to TSA check, they ran my bag through an X-ray and I was done. Flying home from Austin the airline just put my shit on the belt and said see ya. On arrival, I had my bag from claim both times before the rest of the family had theirs from the carousel
A TSO once held me up for having a holster on going through security; it's not a "firearm component" so ultimately no issue but he was an absolute tool about it lol.
I've had the experience of going into a place after placing my weapon securely in my vehicle, only for me to get stopped and checked because I forgot to remove the holster. It's always a good laugh.
Last time I flew I had just a holster in my checked luggage. Did not bring firearms or ammo. I am sure they saw the holster and that’s why they searched my bag that ONE time because they suspected a firearm that wasn’t declared. Otherwise uneventful.
@@cll1outThey most likely saw something else. Your holster would not stand out on the x-ray like that
I tried to return mail a holster once at a mail stop, and they wouldn't even touch it when I set it on the counter for being a 'firearm component'.
@@OGXDreamYou need to look at the actual Xray sometime. Everything shows up. Especially if a computer scans the image. Plastic or leather holster....doesn't matter. Still shows up.
Short, informative and 100% useful.
Thanks for the video ❤
I'm no lawyer.... but i believe if you are TRAVELLING with your firearm and you are passing through a state, you have certain protections under federal law against more restrictive laws in specific states.
Take New York for example... you can travel through New York with prohibited items... just make sure you are not there longer than 24 hours and that you comply with their crazy gun transport laws.
There is the "safe passage" provision of the Firearm Owners Protection Act. States have violated it in the past, though.
@@rudder727 Hope people catch your "24 hours" in your comment, residing in a state "overnight/for a day" does change the technical dynamic. Flying in at 0100 and leaving at 1200 "same day", is a boatload different between 1500 in and next day leaving at 1700 (lawyer bullshiet).
Hey, you should do your comment as an OP. Take your comment and make it stand alone.
Some states will still arrest you, put you in jail, charge you with violations of their gun laws, and allow you to use safe passage as a DEFENSE at your trial.
Yup, you are correct! But you’ll have to post bail and prove your innocence in court in accordance w/ the constitution…
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Why? Because it’s what We The People tolerate🤷♂️ Yup, that simple. We tolerate it so that way we can have our $10 Starbucks and multiple cars, because if we rock the boats then our “30 pieces of silver” will be at risk….
What’s worse than 1 Judas? 300million Judas that vote
Very very useful video, definitely takes the anxiety out of flying for first time gun owners. Thanks a bunch brotha
In NY and NJ (perhaps other states)
A Loaded Magazine is considered a Loaded Gun
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One thing I do is I put an Apple Airtag in the case with the firearms, that way I can track it while traveling. It also helps you figure out where they took it when you get to your destination. It's also true that different airports handle checking a firearm differently. In Tucson they try to see if they ca pry the case open with their hands, in other places they just ask to see it real quick. Great video and very informative.
Great information! Thanks!
If for any reason you end up at a New York airport on your way to another destination, do NOT take possession of your checked bag, you will be arrested.
This happened to a guy whose flight was diverted
You need to tell the airline to hold onto the bag and to get you a flight to your destination.
As a TSO myself thank you for making this video! Gun lover myself, along with most of my coworkers, so we try our best to be gentle about the rules when we can. With a few things there simply is no give in the system... It is overly complex...
This is helpful for everyone who flies in the US. No enemies here, just learning the laws and ensuring our safety and rights at the same time.
How can you take a job as TSa and violate peoples rights so easily
Why did you sign on as a TSA agent if you're a gun lover?
@@danielgoodman3578Would you rather TSA be filled with only those who favor gun control? We should be thanking this person for diluting the pool.
@@anamericanpatriot5230I was asked the same thing when going into law enforcement. How is having fewer good cops the solution of too many bad cops?
Thanks for the information Colion
Great video, it is amazing the hoops you have to jump through. I sometimes get a chuckle from the agent at the counter when checking a firearm. Some of them are scared to death and seem to want to curl into a ball, some of them will put the form inside the case, some of them on the outside, and some of them are gun enthusiasts and we end up having a short conversation about my gun. I usually fly Spirit and I have never taken my ammo out of my magazines. I just put the loaded magazine inside the case with the gun. The gun is unloaded of course. However, I just ordered one of the ammo cases mentioned in the video. Every airline and even every airport is different. Some come out and say you're good to go while others make you stand in a corner for 20 minutes.
Excellent as always. The pick up really is random like you say. Here is my experience in flying twice roundtrip from Louisville International Airport( SDF) to Miami International Airport (MIA).
Arriving at Miami the first time, they told me to meet someone behind the ribbon divider by the escalator behind the curtain to pick up. But the second time, it was in an office.
At Louisville, the first time they put it on the conveyor normally. The second time, I assumed it was the same place. I waited for a half hour. Then, I noticed an employee off to the side waiting with a bag that looked like mine. I approached him and identified myself. I got my bag from him, and he said that he was about to leave because I was taking a long time to get to him. (Nobody told me it would be different. I should have asked instead of assuming).
So, there were 4 different ways of getting the bag on four different arrivals.
Pro Tip: EMT shears are legal to carry on board, per TSA's website, and they're great for dealing with the pesky zip ties. They're also cheap enough to lose if you happen to get a TSA agent who doesn't know their own policies and confiscates them.
They are, but as I found out, many foreign countries do not allow you to carry them onto the plane when leaving. I lost more shears that way...
Thanks for the info dude. just got my first gun a couple days ago because im going to be making a cross country drive “im moving “ and i wasn’t feeling safe without something to defend myself with in case things go left. I was a little scared about flying with my gun but this info was really helpful. I appreciate all the advice you give.
Been following you in facebook for a long time now
Just a point about optics: friends of mine annually fly to Kansas for Prairie Dog Season. Their advice is to equip their rifles with Quick Release Mounts so that they can bring their expensive scopes in their Carry-on bags. They learned(the hard way!) That the Unpressurized Cargo hold caused destructive seal damage and glass fogging and ruined the $1000+ Scopes..
It's no joke about checking your backs BEFORE you pack. A friend of mine had a few loose rounds in his bag when he flew in to town but TSA missed it. When he went to leave, they found it and the hassle was on. They eventually let him through but not without some new documentation dropped on him.
Unless you live in Cali, New York. The most that will happen now is they will just take them and you will be on your way
Great information thank you!
I am a 30 yr, 18,000 hour 767 Captain (and former Black Hawk pilot) and a FAA Part 121 Ground Instructor.
Colin's explanation, and more importantly-advice, are all correct. I especially like the advice about inspecting your bag for accidental ammo in some nook or cranny of your bag.
Just flew with a pistol for the first time a month ago. I printed the TSA rules and American airline rules, laid those in the case with the pistol, just so I would have them if anyone said I wasn't following the rules. Both flights were very easy, my checked bag was in oversized luggage office before my wife's bag came out on the carousal.
That's the smart thing to do. I will copy that
This is actually a great tip. Noted.
So you kept the “rules” in the locked case with the death Ray that they don’t want you to touch….
Outstanding sir!
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I believe tsa rules state that the bag your gun is in needs to be locked so tsa can't even get in. Deviant Ollam has several videos on this in greater detail on how to talk to the tsa and the airline/airport employees to be sure you are in compliance with the law. He also will travel with a stripped ar-15 lower if he has a bag with something delicate or valuable that he doesn't want the tsa to have the opportunity to break or steal because by law they are not supposed to open it without you present with a declared firearm.
If you've followed Deviant Ollam for any amount of time, you know that TSA has chopped the locks off his gun cases multiple times.
If you read the federal law on traveling with a firearm, the TSA policy doesn't abide by the law. Only the traveler is supposed to have access. The lock cutting violates the law. So does the TSA placing their crappy locks on your case one they cut yours off.
I use to have a copy of the federal law in a FedEx type sticky envelope, as well as my name and phone number in the event the case requires reopening. My present Pelican case has reinforced hasps (so they don't cut through the factory lock location and I use shielded shackle Abloy padlocks.
@@gungadinn yes, yes, yes, and yes. The Orlando airport has been his worst offender by far, and he makes a big stink over it and I believe has gotten them to pay for the locks before when he had extra time to deal with them.
Ahh, but that's where you're right AND wrong. Federal law gives TSA the ability to cut off the lock on your cases IF your case sets off their alarms during screening procedures OR if they cannot reasonably find you in a given amount of time (which differs by airline and airport) to have you open your locks for them to check your case.
Why? Certainly it SHOULD violate your 4th amendment rights and the laws and regulations put into place by that system, right?
Wrong! The TSA is not under the law enforcement side of our federal laws and regulations, but the administration side, meaning that search and seizure without a warrant is one of the things you agree to when you purchase a ticket to fly out of a federally backed airport that has TSA security screenings.
If you try to follow up with cut locks through your airline or TSA, that's their adorable loophole that allows them to screen your shit.
Thanks for the info very helpful.
Love that you educate brother
I only recently learned that ammunition doesn't have to be declared. You can just put it in your checked bag as long as it's in factory boxes or some other sort of sealed container.
I think blanket statements like these are well meaning but potentially dangerous. Laws vary from state to state and what is legal in your state may be a felony in another/liberal state. Besides, they keep changing guns laws so even if it was legal in all 50 states today, what about next 5 years or ten? Just my 2 cents ...
@@Freedom-ef4fj And airline to airline.
I checked 2 shotguns on a flight from texas to Arkansas and the outfitter told me not to bring any ammo. I did go through security really fast carrying a locked gun case though..
Columbus Ohio Airport won't let you even check one, according to a call I made to the airport police and tsa.
@@kd5zcc sure they will. They have to.
It shouldn't be so hard to simply exercise your right. That said, this is a great video. Thanks for giving us that low down.
Fantastic video! Thanks for sharing.
Always great info and videos
Never flown with a gun, but I have done it on Amtrak... basically the same rules as flying.
Except that Amtrak doesn’t inspect your luggage, at least from my experience. I’ve never carried on Amtrak though.
@@christophermitchell7925 👍🏻
It's always been a stress-free, quick & painless experience for me.
Do you go through a metal detectors trying on the bus or train? I used to carry on them, but have not traveled on them in 25 years. There were no security checks on trains or busses back then. It was not just me.
One note: the lock on the case can NOT be a TSA lock. Also, do NOT expect the TSA to leave your external lock intact if that's how you secured the case. They will cut it off IF you can't be contacted by the airline when TSA trys to contact you. I carry replacements & keys. Great video.
Or, travel with a gun case that has an internal lock.
That’s false. It can and TSA has no issue with it being a TSA lock. That being said, definitely not the smarter option if given.
@@chadrech9230 Here is what the law says on locks in 49 CFR 1540.11 (c)(w): "The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination." A TSA lock, by definition, violates 9 CFR 1540.11 (c)(w), as the TSA also holds the key to unlock the container.
There has been a lot of confusion on this subject. The TSA on its own Web site even provides contradictory guidance: "Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks."
The best option is to use a gun case that has an internal lock that can't be cut off. If the gun case goes into a checked bag, then use a TSA lock on that bag.
That's not true at all. It can definitely be a TSA lock.
@@OGXDream Federal law says otherwise. Read my post above.
Thank for the info
Thanks for these videos Colion, it’s hard to find all the necessary info and what to expect for situations like this. Appreciate the info as always 👍
Oh and sometimes they dont even ask for your id...I went to washington state...I was shocked that they just left my gun case unattended..when I asked for the manager she said "oh it's ok, most people dont even know what a gun case looks like"...I was flabbergasted! I told her she was stupid and was going to get someone killed or have someones gun stolen..
I’ve flown with my gun before, but just one. And there’s no way in hell I would fly so much into a liberal state for even a layover with the bullshit they’d try to pin on me.
This
If you fly into a liberal state like California, don’t take it. If you have a layover in a liberal state DO NOT under any circumstances take possession of your bag. Flat out refuse if they try to coerce you into doing so.
Sure fire way to catch a felony for carrying a gun in an airport.
I have flown out and into some of the most dangerous and in the case of the United States anti-firearm airports in the world. Plan, prepare, and have credentials prepared and you will not have issues.
Try flying out of one smh
Imagine having a layover in Newark, JFK, or Chicago.
Thank you for a great message Colin.
Good info thank you Colion
I flew from Nevada to Texas in the 90’s with a couple of pistols. Just showed up at the airport with them in my carryon, unloaded, asked for security and asked them their procedure. Put them in my checked baggage and flew home. That was back in the day when guns simply didn’t just up and start shooting people on their own.
What? When did they start?
🤣 my double amputee marine veteran buddy accidentally left a couple loose rounds in his carry on bag and me and another friend were joking they thought he had coke in his legs as we waited and saw him being wanded down with what we thought was the drug wand but was a gun powder residue wand and get taken away not knowing about the rounds. Suffice to say he didn’t get fined and had to wait for the next flight to make it to a sled hockey tournament we were going to. There was an army platoon sergeant that made one of his privates give up his seat for him to make the last game.
I've worked in the airline industry for years. You did a good job explaining this. The airline that I work for has a policy where if it looks like a gun case and has a lock on it. Then it's treated like it's a gun and needs to go to someone in our baggage office and have an ID check. This sometimes upsets some passengers who have something other than a gun in a locked Pelican style case. But I'd rather play it safe and not risk a possible firearm going to someone besides the owner.
FANTASTIC Video Colion! Every different description you presented has happened to me. Funny thing as I am Type 1 Diabetic with a CGM and Insulin Pump and have had MORE trouble passing thru TSA checkpoint than checking my declared firearm baggage!!! Apparently they think I am carrying an explosive inserted in my skin...!😊 I pray I NEVER need to divert or land in a Blue State...EVER!!
I’m from California but I live in Georgia now.
Every time I go back, I take my EDC 10mm.
It’s a surprisingly easy process.
Colion is spot on with everything he said on this video.
You’re allowed to have ammo within the same locked container as the firearm. Gun has to be unloaded. Ammo can be kept in the magazines or inside an ammo container or cardboard packaging. At least that’s how it’s been for me flying on Alaska, southwest and American. Great video 🇺🇸
Nope, nobody allows ammo in the magazines. The logic is , they expect the gun to be not quickly made "ready".
If you doubt me, name one airlines that states ammo can be in magazine.
You used to be able to have the ammo in magazine or container in same box as gun but not anymore. Now separate container/box.
Directly from TSA website
“Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).”
www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
Individual airlines may make that more restrict. So always double check
@@kfelix2934 Spirit, Southwest I can vouch for since I been flying with them, also in TSA policy.
@@RGTFLA85no it absolutely can still be in the same locked container as the firearm per TSA. It’s right in their regulations.
I can’t even count how many times I’ve flown with guns. I never had an issue; unless you count being pulled out of line at my gate while boarding, by several TSA agents and local police, then patted down, while simultaneously having my carry on (backpack) searched again. That’s happened to me a couple of times.
Thank you for all the great information
Always love the info & content 🦾🦾🦾🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Sixth comment. Flown several times with guns. Pretty simple. Although once the tsa agent that was checking me, had to get his supervisor because the gun was setting off his wand that senses gun powder. On my way back home from a waterfowl hunt…with boxes of ammo in the same gun case. I shot it 200 times on the hunt. OF COURSE it has residue in it. No problem when the supervisor showed up but just weird. Never said anything about boxes of ammo in the locked gun case with the gun 🤷🏼♂️
I flew to California with a firearm and ammo. It was relatively painless process. I had to pick up my lost luggage with that firearm at LAX. It was hilarious and sad having to speak in code with the airport employee to let him know that a firearm was in my luggage. I never said the words gun or firearm.
Use declaration....and they will say it for you.
Why did you use code words
I love it. Kind of like in Groundhog Day when Phil is trying to ask the hotel lady if a policeman showed up looking for him. " Has anyone been around here looking for me this morning? Maybe a state employee, blue coat, hat, nightstick, badge, driving a late-model Ford or Chevy, black and white with bubble lights on top?" 😂
I live in California & fly with my guns often but LAX is a different beast so im not surprised
@@jason200912 Los Angeles, California is anti-gun. I didn’t want to alarm anyone and the airport employee knew what was going on. He wasn’t anti-gun based on how he was communicating with me.
Great video. Thanks!
Thanks Colion, there is a few videos and guides out there but none as comprehensive and simple as your for the variety of situations that come from experience! Hope you do one on “what not to do after traveling from a big gun show”. Haha
Every single time I’ve flown with a weapon I was required to check it and receive it in a different area, other than general luggage carousel. (Around 2000)
Until Covid. The first time I experienced this,(2022) I was shocked to realize the fact my weapon came back on the conveyor belt with the rest of the luggage from the flight. While standing in line at the oversize baggage, I could see my checked bag was not in the inventory that I could see. I just happened to look over my shoulder at the carousel saw what looked like my luggage, grabbed it and stepped back in line,I asked the airline employee why. They didn’t know. Then I realized because of my responsibility to that firearm that I was very exposed. I imagined what I would need to go through if it was stolen from the carousel. Lil side note. While picking up my rental I easily defeated the zip tie with a simple twist, think of tightening a tourniquet. Great video. Thank you.
Just flew with a pistol. Had no problems. Super easy!!! I didn't even need to empty the magazine, or seperate the mag, weapon in seperate locked case. The entire process took 20 min, and everyone was super friendly about it.
Thank you so much for elaborating on this. It was something I hoped to learn.❤
Thank you for this. I've seen other youtubers show how to fly with a gun but out of all them, I trust you the most.
Bro, why would you pack 10-round magazines if you're landing in Massachusetts and traveling to New Hampshire? You can't even legally load the firearm while you're in Massachusetts and the safe travel laws at the federal level protect you from getting in trouble if you have higher-capacity magazines as long as they're unloaded and Out Of Reach and all that bullshit.
That's a good point.
Tbh it's easy as heck whole process takes like 15 minutes if you don't have a line
Great information!
Great vid thanks!
I got a kick out of it in the pre-TSA days. I was coming home after college and had an SKS in a rifle case. My roommate was with me and be both just laughed at the looks we got walking through the terminal with the thing on the way to check-in. As for double checking your carry-ons, YES. I know several people, including a pastor who simply forgot it was there. Especially true if you switch between flying private, where the rules are completely different and there's no TSA, and commercial. I've done it with large knives as a General Aviation pilot. I kept two own in my flight bag in case I ever went down somewhere, and sometimes used my flight bag as a carry-on. These days, that oopsie will be a larger pain in the ass than a flaming hemorrhoid.
Not every airline requires the gun and ammo to be separated. Not every airline requires magazines to be unloaded. Not every airline requires you to check in at full service. These things vary by airline as well as by airport
Southwest has allowed me to fly with loaded mags in the same case as the gun. Not inserted, but still right there. It does vary apparently.
Thanks for the tips!
Thank you, very informative
I've flown over most of the country with firearms. It's legal & I love it ‼️💯🎶declare them properly
Ihave a conceal carry for NY upstate shity state with gunlaws they have but at least im able to carry and protect mines and myself i usually fly to puerto rico but im not sure if im able to fly with it and carry it over there was going to take it last time iflew there but iwas a nervous wreck lol i prefered to leav it but it would deff be nice to take it anyone know whats the process or if my NY license covers other states?
It’s really that simple. Declare them, store them properly and be polite. Easy peasy.
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Thanks for the info
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Yeah no thanks! As much as it would be nice to be able to fly somewhere and take my firearm with me I read and heard too many horror stories about people checking their guns and then all of a sudden the flight gets diverted or makes an emergency landing into either a liberal city and/or state and then the passenger gets arrested even though they have their firearm checked. Pretty sure a while back thats what happened to somebody in new york. They were flying from one gun friendly state to another but for some reason they had to divert to new york and ended up getting arrested even though it wasnt their fault the plane went to that communist city. Not worth the risk imo!
Love the info.❤
His cheeky wee smile as he pulled out that big boy and looked at the camera was priceless.
You see, I take advantage of the system… I want to transport all of my stuff in a container that only I can access so my gun goes into a soft sided container, and my hard sided container is a pelican footlocker with a disk lock. This means that everything in my luggage and secured from TSA and anyone else who would want to steal it
I'm on the plane while watching this. Flew with Delta this morning, I travel often. My ammo is still in the magazine, I traveled with my 5.45x39 AR15, springfield echelon, Walther PDP. Ammo still in the mags, as I've NEVER not had them loaded in mags. 5 mags. But I traveled to Vegas with 200+ rnds and a 5.5.56 ak, Walther pdp. Check it in, have TSA locks (harbor freight $4) and when you land go to said airline office and collect firearm case. I always travel with a firearm. 💯. Headed to Delta office to pickup my long case.
Delta does make it really easy. We only fly delta because of their straightforward approach. Do the right thing and all is well 🤷🏼♂️
Generally not a good idea to use TSA locks on firearms, I think TSA even recommends against it.
I haven't flown with a firearm in over a decade. The information supplied in this video is great. I recall an early TSA encounter with a checked firearm in my bag. I was able to watch the bag's progress on the ramp and saw a TSA agent pull my bag and start trying to open the combination lock. I politely told the agent it was my bag and I would gladly tell him the combination. He thanked me and opened the bag. He would have cut my lock off. I told him there was a declared firearm in the bag in a locked case. He said he wasn't concerned about the gun. My bag has a metal linger and I had packed a pair of thick sole boots in the bag and the soles were in contact with the liner. He used chemical wipes and checked the boot soles for explosives. I thanked him for the information and went on my way. For the return trip, I packed the boots in my carry-on bag and they went through the X-ray machine without a problem. I would also suggest downloading the most recent TSA guidelines for travel with firearms in addition to the state requirements you are traveling to. And always be polite and respectful to TSA agents even if you don't like their intrusive methods.
Thanks for Information
I couldn't do it. I'd rather drive or take the train than try to get on a plane rn with a firearm. If I could be deputized and just be allowed to carry on through, then I'd be all for it. We need to empower the people to carry on aircraft, so the scary terries can't stop us from efficient modes of travel.
> take the train
TSA enforces the same requirements for riding on an AmTrak train: only in a checked bag, and you need to declare it ahead of time (which is even more work than flying with it). If it's Brightline, there is no way to bring a firearm with you, checked or otherwise, within their policies.
Eh who knows; at least AmTrak gives you a way to travel by train that isn't an instant felony; I don't think any private long haul passenger rail operator in the U.S. has any provision for this, they just prohibit it outright.
@skechergn
It not hard at all hard to fly with a gun. The rules are straightforward and easy to follow. I've done it many times.
@skechergn There's no checkpoints or anything for trains. You could bring a machine gun on and nobody would know if you didn't bring it out of the bag.
It's too much of a hassle to fly with checked firearms.
Very easy and I live in CA.
@@steveh2272 Can you imagine getting to the airport only to find that you're not in compliance with the rules? It's unlikely that you can correct the problem before your flight departs. Since most tickets are non-refundable it may end up costing you a lot more and possibly another hotel stay.
Good to know and thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for info
❤ Exactly. Have flown many times out of Chicago's Midway, and O'Hare airports to various locations Nationwide. And even knowing the criteria at departure, and arrival you need to allow for extra time, because surprises do happen, because not every carrier employee is as educated on the law, and procedures as you are. 😂 Only time I ever had a potential problem that never materialized, was returning from Savannah GA. with a Freedom Arms back up gun, I shot on the company executive guest plantation.Ran a cylinder through it, reloaded, fired one round, cocked the single action hammer back, pulled the trigger, NOTHING. Hammer wouldn't drop, couldn't remove the cylinder to empty it, flight leaves in the morning! SHIT HAPPENS! Wrapped it up, zip tying the hammer in place, flew it back as is got it to a gunsmith, sold that SOB upon repair, bought a NAA to replace it! Problem solved! 😂😂😂
Then you get arrested when you come back from your trip at the state you left from. Oh wait that’s only the tyrannical states…