How These Defensive Gun Uses Could Land You In Prison
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There is a thin line when using your gun in self-defense between justified and unjustified homicide.
I went to USCCA's Proving Grounds, where they put me through realistic scenario-based training where I would likely use my gun in self-defense.
After going through these intense scenarios, I sat with a former state prosecutor to discuss the thin line between justified & unjustified homicide.
However, as important as the gun is when it comes to self-defense, it's also about the training and ensuring you're prepared.
That's why I'm a USCCA member.
It's an easy way to cover all my bases if I ever had to use my gun in self-defense.
I could find myself in a costly legal case to prove that using my gun was justified.
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00:00 Scenario-Based Defensive Gun Use Training
00:18 Scenario 1 Defensive Gun Use
01:45 Scenario 1 Breakdown With State Prosecutor
07:57 Scenario 2 Defensive Gun Use
08:44 Scenario 2 Breakdown With State Prosecutor
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There is a thin line when using your gun in self-defense between justified and unjustified homicide. I could find myself in a costly legal case to prove that using my gun was justified.
If you're interested in learning more about what Self Defense Insurance covers AND getting a few special free bonuses, click this link!
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I think I've seen this before. Yes I did. On the USCCA video. HAHAHA
I thought you did well.
Stay safe. Take care. Have fun. 😎
2 things.....No Uscca for my state and why on my co workers phone this won't show.....I've watched it twice but wow smh.
We all need these training courses instead of stacking gun laws after useless gun laws.
That was cool.
Do more of these when you get the chance.
Team up with the Active Self Protection (ASP) guy, maybe?
I know I feel a little bit of relief knowing that I do have USCCA if God forbid anything like this would ever happen, well worth it
I'm not afraid of a criminal. I'm afraid of a prosecutor.
That's usually the case. People are more afraid of the aftermath than the actual threat, which paralyzes them.
Kyle Rittenhouse wasn’t found innocent until over a year after he defended himself and that was with crowd sourced funding, video recordings, etc.
Ben Franklin warned America about Freedom of Speech may be banned! Do you see it coming bit by bit! . ONCE one Amendment is abolish count on other Amendments to fall.. 🌠⚡🌠⚡🌠
Criminals are just people exploiting the law. It's treason for the government to make laws to punish citizens for protecting their people and themselves. A criminal is always a deadly threat and if they get away they will kill you or someone else later.
@@danielrollins4315 SOME criminals might change just not likely in most cases.. it's when people feel NO guilt they are most dangerous!! So many innocent people murdered.. glad that good citizens fight back.. I get the gut feeling the justice system does NOT mind criminals ... I even heard a cop say if so many good he would be out of a job .. and even more strange a judge admired Ted Bundy the one who killed.14 females .. I f I was a judge I d give him NO praise just a lecture he d never forget before.going to the chair or needle.. I noticed how political parties want to ban weapons on AlL citizens when criminals will NEVER surrender their.weapons , NEVER! We do NOT have good leadership ! What we have are hypocrites!! And dumb bells...🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐
The fact that a good citizen acting in defense can get railroaded like that is proof of how the courts are broken.
Amen brother
Exactly
I’ve been a cop for several years. I’ve seen a lot of shootings. I’ve seen a few righteous self defense shootings and they were handled appropriately by our detectives and DA. No charges.
@@brookjohnson8216 i'll just leave this here... th-cam.com/video/Z0AIWvhauIo/w-d-xo.html he didnt even fire a shot and went to jail and is facing charges
It depends more on the DA and jurisdiction rather than the “courts are broken”. A shooting in LA with a Soros prosecutor will be treated differently than the exact same shooting in Florida.
What a SWAT instructor taught us once, “how many times did you shoot” answer is always “multiple times”.
But you only tell your lawyer that. Not a LEO.
@@Notyourslave69 you don’t tell LEO anything
@@osielalvarado1921 Wrong. You tell them you are willing to cooperate, but only with your lawyer present and consultation. Then you dont say anything. First impressions still go a long way.
@@HAPPYFUNTIMEx2 No, telling them you are willing to cooperate can be used against you if you are prosecuted and then "don't say anything".
"I'd like to call my lawyer - can I have an EMT and cigarette please?."
As a citizen, you're expected to be thinking about all this legal crap when your life's in possible danger.
It isn't that hard to commit to memory when you just do your due diligence and stay informed on the laws of your State. This kind of stuff is why training and education are so vital. Just a few hours of learning every week or even every month could save you a lot of lost time in the future. Also best to avoid living in or traveling to leftist States that have made self defense a crime.
@@dylonjackson8863 all works out great for the rest of the communist country folk now doesn’t it.
@@dylonjackson8863 besides the second amendment was the only thing we should need to commit to memory, that and if you see a threat or believe that there is a threat to yourself or another person then it is our duty to act in defense.
@@davidhakadoober._1- Yeah that's how it should be but there are still things like use of force laws that you need to know.
@@dylonjackson8863 not really but since most are so easily manipulated and weak that they vote for this garbage and allow it to have power over them we will continue to be cornered into Communism and slavery until the end.
After listening to the lawyer, it's absolutely ridiculous how free a criminal is.
at this point Im not taking my gun out until Im dead lmao
As society continues to deteriorate, that statement of yours should become instructive... free men don't ask their overlords because free men don't have overlords.
@@stacystites8158 lawyers and prosecutors make you not really free to defend yourself.
Absolutely sickening.
@@T7M7P7L7R I sense these USCCA videos are pushing that message. Not saying it should be the wild west and firmly feel that it is prudent to get extensive tactical training. I did. However, all these USCCA videos and particularly that attorney who was a former prosecutor continually push that "you are going to prison" message. I have a USCCA membership and these videos are making me question if they will really have my back if the unthinkable ever occurs.
I think every DA, defense attorney, prosecutor across the COUNTRY should go through mandatory trainings like this. Even jurors and judges
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IF..they ARE practicing attorneys THEY ALREADY KNOW the law! They don’t go through law “school” saying “I’m going to be a defense OR prosecutor”. They HAVE TO KNOW BOTH sides of the law!
@@m118lr that may be true, but it’s much different when you are in the scenario. I worked corrections for 10 years and had multiple different uses of force, it’s different in the moment than afterwards writing a report or statement about it. IMO.
Even children 🤤
Jurors? You me everyone in the US? Or just the actual jury on a case like this?
It's insane that the law system is making these loopholes so that they can bastardize somebody who's doing the right thing
Exactly what’s wrong with the world.
and yet not punish a LEO who mag dumps someone running away from them without a deadly weapon on them ;) just a lil paid vacation
@@oConshien someone usually deserves it
@@nomoredems everyone deserves to be held accountable. applies to all parties.
We got dogmas, anti-gun activists, & zealots who are in the justice system that shouldn't be there, is what I'm now understanding from this 🤔😧
5:56 "Yeah, he might be robbing the place, but that doesn't mean he may not be privileged to use self defense." And there lies the problem. He gave up his rights the moment he started "Robbing the place." Like what is the defense there? Well your honor, I was just robbing the place, I had my gun out and wouldn't you know it, this other guy pulls a gun on me and starts shooting, I had to defend myself your honor.
Similar to a burglar slipping and falling on a "fall hazard" in your home and suing you for it.
My thing is, he committed a crime which if he got time for it, he wouldn't be able to get a gun because of the background check so yea he lost that privilege when he said "give me all your money"
Anyone committing a crime should also forfeit their right or the families right to sue for death or bodily injury.
@@SIRxxGINGER I don't think that exactly applies here.
He hasn't been convicted, and even then, I'm not sure you can't defend yourself if can't legally own or handle a gun.
@@1pcmedic What crimes are included in that? Can you shoot kid's friend for drinking underage on your property?
Its absurd to think that a person in this scenario could be charged with anything. 3 shots or empty a mag, the threat is a threat u til the surrender or stop moving. Prosecutors that try and find a reason to charge you in a scenario like this are only trying to add bullet points to their resume and are vile human beings.
No, they're trying to scare people out of defending themselves and imprison those who are bold enough to stand up against violence.
Some places you and I quote "Have a duty to retreat" which means you have to bail out your house. Surrender it to the threat and wait for I guess police to come from who knows where and save you.
It’s messed up that some treat straight up criminals and killers equally with respect as if they were law abiding citizens.
Agreed. Colion has good instincts. Kept shooting as the threat was still active.
Fyi,
Prosecutors don't make the laws. The laws are made by politicians that people vote for.
The DA is a bureaucrat.
Every prosecuting attorney should have to go through this
they wouldn't care. their job is to lock people up, by any means necessary. They would find a way to use this against people.
That’s a great idea
Especially that dipshit that was trying Rittenhouse.
minus the rubber bullets and armor
I agree...but I wouldn't expect it to change the way they do their jobs. It hasn't stopped several I've known from doing drugs and sending people to jail for the same thing.
Its a shame we live in a society where the justice system asks "could they have ran away" ... you should be under ZERO obligation to flee. You should have *every single right* to stop the threat! It doesnt have to just be a threat to you, it can be a treat to anyone in the public!
In most states you do have zero obligation to flee. There’s only a handful of states that don’t have stand your ground, most of which are in the northeast.
there wouldn’t have been a threat if the lady behind the counter just gave him the money
@@---m--- oh, ok, so just let criminals be criminals... I really hope you are being sarcastic... We need to eliminate the problem, not allow it to freely destroy our society!
@@crazypete3759 imagine thinking a human life is less valuable than some money in a cash register. could not be me.
@@---m--- the problem is there are no consequences anymore! These criminals feel free to do what they want because even if they get caught they know it's just a slap on the wrist. If the laws don't change and prosecutors and judges don't start handing down hard sentences, people will get fed up and defend themselves and their property that they worked very hard for! It seems like the only thing these criminals are scared of is getting killed...
When armed robbers have a right to claim self defense you know your society is deeply broken...
The fact that In that scenario you would even have to worry about being prosecuted shows how screwed our systems have become
one thing that popped into my head that could get you screwed... what is behind that wall?
@@NibNa5ty I thought about that too. So much you have to think about in a firearm self-defense situaiton.
How a person defending themselves and others could end up in prison for life simply Because in the heat of the moment the last round fired at the criminal he turned his shoulder and hit him in the back. That’s not fair, we don’t live in a video game world with slow motion. That’s what the prosecutor gets to do though.
Yes very true, i think the same thing very often when watching this mans videos.
Exactly! There absolutely ARE behaviors you can engage in that WILL strip you of your self defense plea. However, there are no circumstances (such as these) where a criminal's behavior will indemnify you for trying to stop or possibly use a firearm. Similarly, if an emergency vehicle is responding code 3(lights and sirens) they can kill you running a red light and they are EXEMPT from prosecution or civil liability. Oops, sorry about that!
The fact that a citizen can be charged with a crime when stopping a murderer is beyond unacceptable. That needs to change.
That’s probably why bad guys have so much confidence
What the slimy lawyer in this video did was blur the lines between duty to retreat states and stand your ground states. In most states where the vast majority of ccw holders live there is no duty to retreat and this shooting is considered justified. These USCCA videos are aimed at making people in stated with stand your ground laws and no duty to treat fear use of force like they live in commifornia or new york so they will buy insurance. Its sales via fearmongering.
He was not a murderer. He did not murder anybody. He did not even get any shots off. The penalty for robbery is not death. the penalty for armed robbery is not death. In most places the penalty for murder is not death. The issue here is who had the right to self-defense against the threat of death or great bodily harm? And as the prosecutor/defense attorney points out there is a legitimate question as to whether or not the bad guy had the right to self-defense because the guy on the couch may have pulled out the first gun and pointed it at the bad guy who was startled and reacted by pulling out his gun... In self-defense. At which point there was a (ever so brief) standoff with no shooting until Colion started shooting.
@@inpalpatine2067 dont rob you wont die
@@inpalpatine2067 one of the few people that get it
Gotta love that you can go to Jail for protecting someone’s life.
It’s way too complicated and gives criminals the upper hand in a lot of situations
Agreed.
I was thinking the exact same thing especially during the second scenario around the 11:25 mark when the lawyer is talking about how Colion was going to have to explain how the bad guys taking his girlfriend was considered a deadly threat I was like… really? That needs explaining?
@@Wraith-tf5zq it’s pretty pathetic ain’t it. Somebody kidnapping someone shouldn’t be allowed. They can probably take her and kill her before police arrive. Potentially use her in a hostage situation and then kill cops.
No common sense in half the crap he said. It’s all about 🫰
All you have to do is go home. If I'm ever in a position where I have to blow someone away I won't be anywhere near the scene when the police arrive. If you wear gloves when you load up the gun you don't need to ever worry about finger prints. Whatever you touched in a public setting even if they have your prints for whatever reason they cannot use it against you because hundreds of others have also touched it before you. There's a reason why once a dine and dasher has gotten away as long as they don't have their plate they cannot prosecute. If you park at least a quarter of a mile away from wherever you intend to go into they cannot obtain your plate. The best city in the world to carry a gun in is new York because there are so many fucking people and a million different escape options once you get away they cannot get you.
@@justintillman5630 Especially since they had already shot someone in this scene. But a friend of mine did point out that USCCA sells insurance so you got to take what these videos show with a grain of salt. But then again all it takes is one prosecutor out to make a name for themselves to screw you.
More of these. These types of scenarios and analysis help you train your mind to know what to do and when to do it rather than purely guessing and hoping that your actions are defensible in an irrational system.
@TheCuteAndrew The robbers killed the cashier for no reason. Would you feel comfortable with them taking your significant other as a hostage?
@TheCuteAndrew Thats sad man. Id never let anyone run off with any of family members id glady sit in jail or die to stop that from happening
@TheCuteAndrew To each their own. I don’t condemn you for your choices I just have different beliefs
@TheCuteAndrew For you, you would rather trust someone else to take care of your loved one and not yourself? I would rather pay the price and get it done myself than have to rely on police to do it with the possibility they don't save my loved one
@TheCuteAndrew what’s the average response time for police calls, and who had time to wait for authorities? Put your life in your hands and figure out ways to be prepared bc help will not always be there. More times than not
For some lawyers, it's isn't about justice, it's a challenge for them to twist the wording of the law enough that they can win. And never forget that a dead criminal can't sue you for emotional damages in civil court.
..THAT is the WORST, and “scary” part. They can LITERALLY LIE, TWIST..or “confuse things”..to trip someone up..FOR a ‘win’. Unbelievable..
The family might though, depending on the situation.
Empty the mag. If you're going down anyway. Might as well KNOW for the duration of your sentence that the bad guy lost worse. If you fire once. Empty the mag. The outcome will be the same.
@@wacobeer6469 exactly
U said it,"law" I really have no respect for the "law", however police, sheriff's and people of the same caliber I have nothing but respect for. I am a firm believer in justice and would much rather deal with any issues based on a moral standpoint as opposed to a "legal" one
The one thing this reinforced for me is how completely screwed up our legal system is. Don't call it the 'justice' system, because it rarely delivers that.
Poc been saying
@MrX I agree, the legal system rarely understands how things actually work in real-world situations.
ever hear of rittenhouse?
only times there’s justice is when we finally lock liberals up
😂 you got black friends??? They could’ve told you….
if i was in this situation i would have folded from being forced to talk to a girl and left before the threat even raised
Mood
Dude when the girl said, the guy cheated on her with his sister i was so confused and i wasnt even the guy, and i was like i didnt!😂😂😂
me as fuck
As a former police officer, I’m amazed that there is this much hindsight applied to civilians just trying to do the right thing. I worked in Shreveport, LA, one of the more violent mid-sized cities, and I truly believe that the prosecutors I worked with would not have gone to those lengths to try to bring charges against a Good Samaritan who just saw a cashier get smoked, and then shot the suspect in the back during a gunfight. We were taught in the police academy to never fire on a fleeing suspect unless there was an imminent threat against someone else the suspect may come across during the flight. If he just shot a cashier, then engaged in a gunfight inside a coffee shop, I highly doubt he was going to give up his life of crime when he exited the store. I don’t know where this scenario was initiated, but I cannot imagine a conviction based on charges brought in this situation. That being said, this scenario reinforced my beliefs in just being a good witness until you or your family is in danger, because I’m sure this is a real life event numerous times a year. Thank you very much for this video. It’s an excellent situation based training that everyone carrying a firearm should consider.
But in reality could you just sit around with someone waving a firearm?Just a bad situation.
@@muddywaters0819 Absolutely. Bad situation all the way around. And you bring up an excellent point. No way I could just sit there if I’m to be 100% honest. But it’s gotten to the point where that thought has to cross your mind before you draw/fire, and that’s even more dangerous. I just hope I never have to face that scenario.
He is talking about retreating. I would not want to live in a state where you have a duty to retreat. Stand your ground all day!
Exactly, I should have the right to defend myself without first having to back myself into a corner with no escape.
Imagine having to defend urself from a deadly threat and then thinking
“Wait the law says I have to retreat or else I go to prison”
I'm nearly 70. My orthopedist & I doubt that I'm going to retreat anywhere quickly.
There's what's lawful to do and then there's what's smart to do. It could be smart to retreat if the situation allows for it. Just because you can stand your ground, doesn't mean you should.
What if I retreat to the parking lot and the bad guy follows and shoots ME in the back ? Then what? I rather shoot when I have the chance to save my life and others than running and been killed like a pussy.
Hands down the best pro 2nd amendment advocate in our country
Fire Wayne and Put Colion Noir in charge of the NRA.
@@grendelprime166 nah abolish the SCAMRA he left the company for a reason.
@@grendelprime166 FPC is the better choice
He is by far the best.
@@matteodelapaz1698 💯 .....FPC been doing the work then NRA comes in at the end and takes the credit for it
Good thing about the southern states with “Stand Your Ground” this law eliminates the duty to retreat and you can ACTUALLY DEFEND yourself and/or loved one
Most states actually have stand your ground as part of their laws. But don't make the mistake of thinking it means something that it doesn't. All stand your ground means is that your state's laws don't require you to attempt to retreat as a necessary element of a valid self defense claim. It does NOT mean that the fact that you didn't make an attempt to retreat cannot be considered as a factor in determining whether your self defense claim is valid. If you had a clear opportunity to retreat or otherwise avoid the fight and chose not to the prosecutor will absolutely make the argument that any reasonable person would have in same circumstances. They will be allowed to make that argument and the jury will be allowed to consider it. Because it can be relevant to all of the critical factors of a valid self defense claim. Namely that you were not the aggressor, that the level of force you used was proportional to the threat, and that your actions were reasonable under the circumstances.
@@Rowgue51 your comment is kind of invalid. I say that only because the state can argue anything they want, the law is the law. I in fact won a murder trial due to stand your ground so I got to experience the way the law works first hand.
@@cincomxntana3938 The law is the law. But you're misunderstanding what the law actually means.
@@Rowgue51 how can I misunderstand something I’ve experienced myself
@@cincomxntana3938
It happens all the time.
Another bit of advice that should be included in this video: Don't talk to the cops without your lawyer present. They alluded to giving incorrect information in a statement to police and how that could get you in trouble. Simple answer is just don't answer those questions without a lawyer to guide you.
This just proves how messed up our legal system is that either of these scenarios would cause legal troubles for someone defending themselves or others.
Being civilized is overrated imo. It leads to this kind of stupid bs. Common sense goes right out the window of so called "civilized" societies.
Good thing that second situation would not be winnable for a prosecutor. There is ZERO reason to prosecute Colion in that situation.
i learned about the court system in my bad boy youth days-preteen/teenager,it's a monster !!! LOL. An attorney or a judge would come up with 3 or 4 different ways i could've handled my situations or bring up some ancient law/laws to hammer you with. Be very careful folks with your guns and how/when you use them or you'll share a cell with Big Earl or Lil Ray-Ray.And they'll be the husband and you'll be their WIFE. LOL.
I mean there should to an extent. Anyone can shot and possibly kill another and claim self defense. That's the whole point of their being a legal process.
Obviously it shouldn't be nearly as much of a pain in the ass but it's ridiculous to say that there should be no legal proceedings in a self defense case for the reason I mentioned
@@doms.6701 Due process, is what you're talking about, plain and simple. Everyone gets their day in court. Each situation is handled on a case by case basis.
With the billions upon billions of variables in each self-defense situation, due process is required.
I get your point. If the girlfriend kicks the guy in the nuts as he runs out the door, and she escapes, then you give chase, he stumbles, and you thump him in the head with two rounds, you're guilty of murder. If, instead, you do not give chase, high five your girlfriend for quick thinking, and then pull security until the police get there, you have avoided jail.
It's the nature of the beast where variables require scrutiny and reason.
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Shot in the back arguement.
No one ever brings up the suspect, while running away, can still run and shoot at you. They can torque their body with the gun in hand and shoot at you, meaning his back will still be exposed.
Also, you can see why these laws suck because of these defense attorneys.
Exactly
Tennessee V Garner allows a police officer to shoot a fleeing suspect if they believe that they are a danger to others. This guy in the scenario is absolutely a threat to others, who knows what he does with that gun after this. Any attorney who argues that you can't because you're a civilian is an idiot.
read the law. Someone runs AWAY from you means he is retreating. Whether or not he is going to turn and shoot is something you need to "wait for".
@@Sheepdog1314 Wait for it and you could be dead.
@@peezy792 NOPE.
Do more of these please, ppl that carry really need to be educated when its ok to draw... wish ranges would hold classes like this too
At the end of the day. Every man for himself. If you can escape, get tf out. Sounds messed up, but these laws will screw you in the long run for trying to do right… your chances are way better protecting yourself and your family on/in your property
Sad but true.
Amazing that in these scenarios you have mere seconds to decide, but attorneys get weeks and months to pick it apart. It almost makes me paranoid to carry
I simply stopped carrying and put my life in gods hands. Not even kidding at all. I never once in my life thought i wpuld have a change of heart
@@elijahjohnston3172 I respect that... a lot. I don't care much about my life as I do others'. If I carried, it would be to protect someone else moreso than myself.
@@jentheredhead4698 Which means you should carry a gun.
Always retreat and withdraw if possible. Even at home. Your case is much more defensible if you retreated, called the cops and engaged only when you had nowhere to go. Even in castle doctrine jurisdictions, it is not worth the risk of some DA who wants to be a judge or Congressman trying to make you an example. I’ve practiced criminal defense in LA, NY and NV. Mostly violent crimes against persons including murder trials as well as federal level drug cases. Stay safe.
almost
The fact that the law can be manipulated in order to put people who act in defense of themselves or others in prison makes me angry.
Yet it doesn't make you angry when the law works, and those who unjustifiably murder others do go to prison. The law shouldn't and can't be manipulated. For a jury to convict it must be unanimous agreement without a doubt. Innocent until proven guilty. While there are edge cases where the jury got it wrong, 99% of the time, if it was defense, you will be found innocent.
@@Lethal_Bite Bullshit, look at how they treated Kyle. Sure, he got off, but look at how the "Perception" came out. No matter the truth, we have half the country that denies it. Perception can absolutely fuck an innocent person.
@@Lethal_Bite Perhaps you are not familiar with the case where the prosecutor was able to stack the jury with black supremists to convict a white officer that was doing his job exactly as he was trained to do.
Don't bother asking who this was, the prosecutor and jurors openly bragged about doing it.
And the judge sentenced the case as if it was lawful justice rendered.
@@MasterYoist You are correct that I don't know the case you are talking about. Maybe the Derick Chauvin trial? Which while you may not agree with the ruling, he may not have been 100% blameless and entirely innocent.
Congrats on proving my point though about there being a couple edge cases. That less than 0.01% of cases really shakes my faith in the justice system. Of course, for every Chauvin, there are more than 100 Rittenhouse cases.
That is the reason there was dueling, if it was legalized there wouldn't be these zealots flouting the law.
I'm a Vietnam veteran and years ago I took the canceled weapons class, I decided not to get the license after all that you have to face if you shoot someone, or places that you cant take a gun. Another issue when you have one in the car. If you can always try to get out of the incident. I still think about the "enemy" human beings in Nam !PTSD is still effecting me 53 years later!
I took the class with the intention of getting my concealed license but upon further consideration due to the courts/jury/legal system I came to the conclusion that better for me to not carry a firearm and face prison for what boils down to a difference of opinion. In this time we are in now, last 5 years, better to evade the threat or use another type of force to de-escalate the situation. Sad it has come to this but it's where we have come.
Still I think it’s worth getting. prison or not I am not willing to loose my life with no chance to fight back. What I’m saying is don’t you think it’s better just to have it yes go the other direction and avoid conflict and things like that but you can still do that with it. Idk I think it’s best to get it rather have it and have the chance as opposed to none.
@@GettingthruLifethank you for writing this.
I recently purchased a hand gun and got my concealed carry permit and after some thought and deliberation I came to the same conclusion.
I will continue to do my best to avoid confrontations and be street smart, which has served me well for 33 years of life.
My handgun has now been relegated to a locking safe and the occasional range day.
To me, court hearings and possible prison time is on par if not worse than taking “the long nap”
I have a question regarding the second scenario: So the fact that the cashier was murdered in the first few seconds of the scenario does NOT automatically give the "good guy" the right to engage the threat at any time (BEFORE his girlfriend was kidnapped) in order to protect his life and that of the others? That's the important question for me.
In the vid he mentions that, but it's not a smart play to draw from seated concealment against two armed standing BGs.
They kinda muddied the waters talking about if they were still holding the girls hand when colion shot.
The second they walked in waving a gun declaring a robbery everyone in the place was in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm. This was only made more clear when they popped the clerk. At any time colion would have been justified to shoot. Idk why they weren’t more clear about that.
Its the money. Follow the money and you get your answers
Bad guy gets to chose weapon, mag capacity, time, place, when and where, whether or not he uses force and how much…defenders are faced with having to justify EVERYTHING they do. Always on defense and a step behind. If I was a defense attorney I’d get tired of saying “hey, if bad guy doesn’t bring a gun and pull it out and rob the place, we don’t even have to have this conversation!”
Yep, you have to prove your innocence, which is against everything our courts are supposed to be about.
Still rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6
And the changes you face are the ones usually plea bargained down for the bad guy (discharging a fire arm in city limits, brandishing, reckless endangerment, etc)
Plus the bad guys can win a multi-million dollars lawsuit for a wrongful act, while the victim is scrutinized negatively and paying close to half million for lawyers fees… crime does pay in USA.
The judiciary is thoroughly full of sh*t and ignore stand your ground laws
This video just illustrates that the average citizen must be absolutely PERFECT in his/her use of their firearm but a cop can be absolutely reckless as long as HIS/HER life is in jeopardy.
TH-cam's going to try to delete this comment, because it's so true.
On point
Exactly
@@momma3327 yeah all Gov't agencies are going to put him on the watch list. TH-cam and Twitter will have them deleted within 5 years.
This is the best comment right here. And the fact that cops have training and civies don't makes it even worse.
The fact that innocent lives could be in danger and someone neutralizing the threat could land them in prison… Our system is so backwards it’s not even funny.
Politicians are criminals so they feel obligated to defend other criminals.
It is unlikely that a normal prosecutor would do that….. not impossible but unlikely.
@J Wang thanks a lot George Soros
@@eggheadegghead depends on the area. A prosecutor in my area would never do that since it’s career suicide if they do. They’d never have a hope of getting elected into anything within the local area because the people in my town are reasonable people and not shitty ass liberal city dwellers.
Colion, your honesty in this is well appreciated. Every situation is totally different.
It was great teaming up with you, Colion! Hope your viewers enjoy learning from your real-life scenario based training.!
It was a great video! Colion's reactions and instincts were amazing to see!
Please do more of these with Colion! He's awesome!
It was really good waiting for more thanks
I do wish there was more opportunity for regular people to go through this kind of training.
There is, you just got to caught up the cash lol
@@MrUrmother22 the nearest force on force training place to me is a 2 hour drive north and even still they market it towards law enforcement so I don't know if they do classes on the side for individuals
Honestly I would love that, it would be a good thing for a lot of regular people to practice with this, because Ive first hand seen the actions of trained vs untrained people, when the store I worked at got robbed I was the one who took charge and tried to keep us safe by de-escalating the situation and saying the best I could to make sure the robbers were satisfied and dont shoot anyone, though we didnt have access to the register because of a cash shortage and the manager being out for the day, which really made it difficult because my priority was nobody gets hurt, meanwhile while Im trying to keep my nerves in check (which was really hard because the closest to real world training under stress, rather than just in an office for training, was airsoft, which is nothing compared to this) and follow my training my untrained coworkers panicked, made multiple sudden movements, etc, and Im surprised theyre still alive, if all of us had training (and we had something to give the robbers because their goal was money) it would have been a safer situation, and thats just how a very difficult situation was, the training in the video would very well help with situations where de-escalation is less of an option or where the goal isn't to take property (because if the goal is property, just give it, property can be replaced, life can't), such as if someone is being abducted or its someone there for murder
you can. you just need to pay for it
There is. Video, airsoft, paintball, force on force
5:29...this is why we need to have a return to our courts being a "justice system" as opposed to a "legal system". These are questions that really shouldn't being asked.
I would honestly pay good money to do this every weekend. Call me crazy but im Texan. Its getting wild over here. This would be good for learning and practicing alot with handling situations. Much needed for anyone.
It's getting wild all over this Country... it's really INSANE when supposed anti-gun, anti-violence, peace loving LIBERALS want to WANT TO KILL YOU TO STOP VIOLENCE.... LMAO.... these people need to be locked up in an insane asylum and medicated... if that's to inhumane, then put them out on an exotic resort island and let them eat each other...
texas is horrible city life is as worst as ive ever seen .
@@TheLawlessGang and where do you live boy?
The fact that there even has to be a discussion when a bad guy gets killed speaks to how dumb our society is.
Right. The fact that this even could make it's way to court is insane.... Should be given an award for a heroic like like these.
@Team【アイ・ラブ・ジャパン】Pfizer mfw shall not be infringed
Exactly
Hey, hey, hey.....
U can't shoot 8 Times to another HUMAN being and pretend nothing happened..
Thanks God, we have LAWS!!
If you acted just for self-defense, you will be found *not guilty.* .
A correct TRIAL is synonymous of a civilized country,
@Team【アイ・ラブ・ジャパン】Pfizer Does a no no? Threatening innocent people with a firearm isn't just a no-no.
"It is not about the truth. It's about what you can prove."
Dang, that second scenario really highlights the importance of proper *concealed* carry. What would have happened, if one of the bad guys had seen a firearm on Colion's hip?
No kidding. Open carry is fine as a political statement, but practically all it means is you're gonna be the first to go.
Very true. Also shows the importance of being able to quickly and effectively deploy your weapon from concealment. Practice practice practice.
@@Alex-jf4ui Not always. It can deter as well.
@@bullyboy131 If someone walks in to a place hellbent on harming people and they see you are armed. You will be targeted first and not have much of a chance.
@@BB-1990 Defenders need to always be alert. Keep your head on a swivel.
Loved the video! At 8:42, I yelled, “Yeah!” That was perfect! Great sense of judgment in a very difficult situation!
Happened to my cousin. He was in Med School, never had a record, and now he's been in prison for 9 years for killing a gas station robber. Shit is crazy
That was extremely unfair to your cousin
What was the circumstances around the instance and how did the case play out in court?
This scares the hell out of me
@@haomavarga1818 Think about what you just said. A man practiced his God given right. The government who was suppose to represent this God fearing man, instead crucified this man.
In this scenario, who is running your government? I'll give you a hint, his name starts with L and his servants are quite the active bunch.
Was this buy any chance In a state ran by bleeding heart liberal democrats. If it was that would explain everything. Move to a conservative state and its far less likely your cousin is in prison
Scenario 1:
"He could have left"
Yeah, everyone run and leave the clerk alone with the gunman. When will our justice system stop prosecuting victims? We have got to stop empowering criminals.
I know. That made me really angry. Like oh am I supposed to just say fuck everyone else but me? If you pull a gun on someone in aggression thay should be a forfeiture of your life. Can't believe we have these leftist DA's who hate the fact we have the right to carry so badly they create these insane hoops to try and attack decent people.
When we have an actual justice system again. So in our case probably never.
California: Finally! The scroll of truth!
Scroll of truth: Stop empowering criminals
California: (Tosses it)
They're literally telling you what a prosecutor could bring up.
It's common sense.
For me I would run
Incarceration rates prove that we're locking people up.
In 1987 my wife and I unknowingly walked into an armed robbery in progress. We were taken at gunpoint, tied up and laid face down in a back room and held hostage for 30 minutes. I wasn't armed. Even if I were, I would have had no opportunity to draw my weapon. I experienced every emotion you can conceive of. Just like Colion, it was anger, fear, anger and fear. The effects never really dissipate, even decades later. All I know is that I never want to experience that again without at least having an option to defend myself and my loved ones.
Thank you for sharing your story with all of us and being an honest, concerned American. It's people like you that make this a great country.
Wow I tell people all the time that I’d rather have it and not need it cus things can happen so fast
Thank you for sharing your story. That's such a horrible situation when you have no opportunity to fight back and held. It is hard to process after. (I won't use to much detail in my situation) I lived in a sketchy area, I was working on my carry permit at the time. 1 guy in my neighborhood thought another guy ratted him out for something. No idea what. Don't care. He pulled an illegal gun on the guy pretty much at my front door as I was stepping out. Well guy with the gun pointed at him ducked behind a car and someone else yelled. So bad guy realized he was in the open with a gun as cops came down the street, a few blocks away. All in a split second to process the gun was turned to me, finger on the trigger ( tip up Beretta, I will never forget it) he pushed me in my house. Made me sit and kept the gun trained on me while I tried to de-esculate the situation. Cops outside my door, walking around the street and this guy said make a sound and I will f#cking kill you. He was serious. He waited what felt like a lifetime to look out the window. At this point it was clear of police but he didn't want to leave. He became more irrational and pulled the slide to chamber a round to aim at me and ejected the round in the chamber. Now I knew for sure he was loaded. A few more mins of talking this psychopath down and told him to go out the back. He turned one last time and aimed at my face and said he would end me if I called the cops. I knew my area and response time, the instability of this lunatic. I realized if the cops came back on the street I might get clipped even if I didn't call. Once he was out of sight the adrenaline really hit. At the moment I was stupidly calm or maybe it was realizing if I was acting upset he would become worse. God only knows. A few weeks later he was arrested for other charges and I forgot about the round he ejected until I was cleaned under the couch one night. Seeing that was a gut punch reminded of how lucky I was. I vowed to leave that area and never be defenseless again. In the months following that area went full 3rd world country. I got out right after a burglary while I was in the process of relocating. I still have that round he ejected as a reminder of being thankful for everyday and how seriously I need to take the security of the ones I love and myself. Still to this day I believe if I had tried to fight back or made an attempt to alert police he would have killed me on the spot. I can't say why for security reasons but I believe he was capable of it after hearing things I believe he us still in prison for today.
I know this seems like a lot of details, I left out a lot of what would identify me in this event. That was one of the scariest moments of my life and thank God my GF at the time didn't walk in the door while this was playing out. She would have made this wayyy worse. On occasion when I got for a range day or a training I look at the round. Not very often does someone hold the bullet that was meant for them. Sobering feeling for sure.
9 month pregnant sister and I where caught in a robbery in a Subway sandwich shop, we ran and hid on the bathroom floor while the guy robbed the place. Shots where fired but no one was hurt. After the fact the cashier told us he'd been robbed multiple times while working there and we overheard him quiting his job then and there, when we where talking to the police we learned that the robber was just going up the street robbing places all morning, we never learned if they caught the guy, and we never got any follow-up on the matter.
Every time I think about it, it's the feeling of helpless that lingers. A law won't protect you, a cop isn't going to always be there. In my mind, if such a vast majority of people are good, and then such a vast majority of people are armed, we'd all be safer for it.
I very much plan on being a gun owner in the foreseeable future, as you perfectly said, to never experience that again without at least having the option to defend myself and my loved ones.
@@kylecook4806 Damn. That's a rough one. I explained a very similar feeling being held at gun point in my house above. That helpless feeling is horrible. I still get it some when I think about it but being armed now really does take some of that away. Even knowing someone may get the drop on you, you know that split second window you have you aren't helpless. If you have the ability to carry and own I would encourage you to do so. Get training in real world scenarios like this and medical. It helps so much with the helplessness. If you can't fight back at least you know you did all that you could with what you had.
Watched a few videos over the months and this one earned my subscription. Incredibly informative scenarios that I’ve questioned the repercussions of plenty.
It’s mind boggling how there’s all these semantics beyond: Bad guy had a gun, I ended the threat.
Shows how broken our court system is
I absolutely love how shitty prosecutors have months to look over and analyze the 2 minute situation. And come up with all the possible scenarios meanwhile people in that moment have absolutely no time to react and just do what they can.
Yeah, thiers no adrenaline or stress these lawyers and prosecutors have to deal with.
@@timothyavendt677 They should be put in similar scenarios and we get to judge them.
@@lominero5 and outline, in great detail, thier own "mistakes" and "over reactions" and tell them how they can be prosecuted for saving thier own skins.
Yup.
^THIS^
Well said Sir...
@@jlinka79 i agree its a double standard. I believe implied immunity should be applied to all or none
It’s interesting how a prosecutor might vilify someone risking their life to aid others, yet should one flee to save themselves leaving others to ultimately die, they would be vilified for that. The Kitty Genovese case is a perfect example of criticizing society and bystanders (the bystander effect) for NOT coming to others aid. Just yesterday, a gunman opened fire in an Indiana Mall and I’m sure it could be argued the citizen who killed him could have fled. He might have even put a round in his back in the heat of the situation. The individual is being called a hero and I expect no prosecution, even if those possibilities are true.
IMO, once one displays a deadly weapon, especially a firearm and are threatening others, they forfeit consideration of safety by those placed into a position of defense because of it.
_"The individual is being called a hero and I expect no prosecution"_
Think again... never underestimate the stupidity and demagogy of the left.
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100% correct!
I agree. Many of our laws are set up to allow criminals to do whatever they want while law abiding citizens are forced to run and hide.
They are still arguing the hero is in the wrong.
Its worse because the NPC's are trying to paint the guy who stopped an active shooter is in the wrong for having a weapon in a Gun Free Zone... Despite the fact that said active shooter also entered the same premises. With an AK.
I genuinely believe they're angry. Not because he had a gun. But because he stopped a beneficial crisis that could have been further used to politicize gun control measures... It reinforces the "Good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun" argument. Instead of waiting on police.
This is fascinating and very informative, you would assume all actions taken were in self-defense and justifiable but when you break it down it gives a whole new perspective
This is exactly why Ive gone 42 years without owning a gun and now that I finally got one, im terrified to ever actually use it. Much like pretty much any intense situation period, I dont like the fact that a judge, jury or prosecutor who was not there gets to nit pick and decide my fate. I dont know that ill ever truly have faith in our justice system. I also cant offer any solutions so 🤷🏾
I don’t understand why courts try to defense bad people.
If a cop did what Colion did I bet the cop wouldn’t have anything to worry about
I vote you do this one day a week for the next few years! Excellent ☺️
Police officers are protected by the law - normal people are not. And the people in power hate that anyone but the government storm-troopers have a right to violence, they want to have absolute monopoly on it.
The Police have a blanket immunity clause, or a different set of rules they are allowed to operate by. As to your first point, it is a legal principle called Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty. Most countries use the opposite approach of Guilty until PROVEN innocent.
@@wod5203 innocent until proven guilty, ha! Tell that to the IRS if they freeze and seize all your assets BEFORE going to court or even arresting you...leaving you with zero resources for defense or even bail.
Better have some wealthy, real friends!
Well, it's a constitutional right. You have the right to defense and are innocent until PROVEN guilty. But I get what you're saying. This clown world we live in now is so twisted and perverse. People (particularly attorneys and prosecutors) have secret motives.
I think it's insane that we are expected to thread the needle in situations like these. I'm sure people die because garbage like this breeds hesitation. If someone draws down on you it should be a clear cut justification to shoot them. If they have already shot someone indiscriminately, it should be clear cut justification to shoot them. How many people are they allowed to shoot before someone who could end the threat (you) is allowed to act? This makes me angry.
100%
And then they have the gall to say condescending things like "where were all the so-called good guys with a gun?" if nobody stops it.
I doubt it I bet most people if it really comes to that for them think "id rather be in jail for twenty years than fucking die right now"
My advice, take down the perp and save your life. Hesitation can cost you your life. Deal with the legal consequences later. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Also, say nothing to the police until you speak with an attorney. Some are clueless to their own state's laws while others believe they are the only ones that should have guns. Be polite, ID yourself, and request an ambulance to be taken to the ER for ringing ears, shortness of breath, anxiety or anything else you may be suffering from and not realize it. It will give you time to gather your thoughts on what happened while waiting for a lawyer.
Great video. This is really important for people to see because they typically don’t understand the power of adrenaline and the other chemicals that dump into your body during a life or death confrontation. But seeing someone as adept as Coloin struggle with scenarios takes some of that overconfidence we feel and replaces it with humility. I experienced something similar the first time I played paintball. Action may beat reaction but acting too soon can cost you a big chunk of your freedom!
More content like this Colion. This is great ! The information provided in this video is invaluable.👍
Colion, I’m very impressed by your willingness to subject yourself to this kind of public display. There’s not many people that would be willing to go through these scenario based training events and agree to have the results put before everyone. Thanks for doing this, I’ve learned a lot once again!
While in law enforcement, I was subjected to similar training (20+ years ago). Man... how training has changed. I'm impressed, but not surprised at your response, Colion.
He also did a FORCE ON FORCE, like 5years ago, home invasion
That was a great training situation... that being said.. the laws and legal views need some changing... when a gun is pulled ur life is now in danger... getting shot in the back is the risk u take when u r committing a crime.. there should be no repercussions towards the person who shot the criminal..
That’s exactly it. The second someone points a gun at me or near my direction, is the second I see a violation of one of rules of gun safety. I’m gonna 100% assume that that intention behind that gun is to shoot and kill me. Point blank.
Nope your going to prison for 1st degree murder
I said the same when I first watched this… these laws in a way help the criminal because it makes people who need to defend themselves or someone else less likely to take the shot
Wow I hope Noir gets in contact with Mike Glover and redo this whole thing. If I could I would take it down as it stands.
I love this scenario concepts, better than just watching the camera and talking for hours. Good video. Thankx.
Second scenario: the need for lethal force derives from the blatant killing of the cashier. The assailant displayed that he is willing to and has already possibly killed a person. Them taking the girlfriend sets up continued likely possibility of loss of life if she remains in the possesion of the assailants. Continuinging to fire can be justified because there were 2 assailants, both armed.
@Guido De Based 1561 Kidnapping does come under the forcible felony rule in most states. (I did day most states.... still some libs haven't budged on what constitutes a threat there) The history of kidnapping has shown us that more than 50% of the victims end up dead...so it is reasonable to fear loss of life in an attempt. Deadly force is allowable for a third party in such cases.
I mean they are still deadly threats until they leave the building in scenario 2. Even if they put down their weapons. They might have another weapon.
@Guido De Based 1561 it is in my state
@Guido De Based 1561 it’s a forcible felony
What would happen if he ran up and just kicked them in the back instead? They'd just let her go without turning around and shooting back? I believe you had to shoot or they were getting away with her.
Puts into perspective how ON IT Rittenhouse was with remembering everything and getting his facts straight, waiting until the very last possible second.
Seriously, he was on point!
It’s sad that rittenhouse was “punished” by the trial process
He was amazing in his self defense actions and in his trial. Amazing young man to have acted so correct given the situations...
@@etchediniron4249 And the fact numerous evidence came out proving Rittenhouse in the right and they still didn't care.
That whole rittenhouse trial was basically character assassination of a man who was defending himself. 😐😐😐
Fantastic video! As a newer handgun owner this is immensely helpful piece of content to be able to absorb before having been able to take a legitimate class in handgun safety. Liked and subbed.
The 1 resounding thing I take from every one of these scenarios: I hope I NEVER have to be in a situation like this.
Hope for the but but always be prepared for the worst.
@@shawnmchenry9697 That's why I never leave the house without my Chapstick, chapped lips are the worst.
Always deescalate or run it if you safely can and don’t forget, this video is an advertisement.
Amen
Facts
The fact that we even need vids like this shows exactly how messed up the system is, and that ultimately, a lot of the lawyers are the problem (no offense Colion!!)
100% agree. it's the lawyers. they don't care about right or wrong, only putting more people into cages.
it's sick we value the lives of a criminal equal to the citizen
@@007kingifrit that's the two edge sword of living in a country where they can't prosecute you before you commit the crime.
If the potential criminal shot and is middle of killing people, making him actual criminal and you shot and killed him. You're free 100% of time you don't even need a lawyer for any sort of obvious defense.
If the potential criminal was just threatening to shoot the employers and whatnot and you took the first shot. You're on the hook as you should be because that guy hasn't committed a crime worthy of being shot and killed before you shot and killed him preemptively.
In a country where if it's "okay" to kill someone to prevent a potential crime from happening before it happens. Well the guy is dead, doesn't matter if it's found out later the killing is justified or not and is ripe for tyrannical abuse.
@@LightBrand we value human life too much, that is independent of the concept of innocent till proven guilty
cmmon sense let's us tell he was robbing a store we don't need some deep analytical or philosophical principle
@@007kingifrit you are still innocent until guilty. The prosecutor is proving your guilt of homicide by showing the available evidence. Be it testimony or video footage and your defense is it's not a homicide it's self defense or whatever.
And the video and I is trying to convey that line which will determine the verdict lies with "can you shoot first to prevent someone from shooting and get away with it" because now we never know if that guy was going to shoot because you stopped him but you definitely shot.
He's robbing store sure whatever if he grabbed money and left it's insurance's and police's problem.
Which is why the 2nd scenario it's easier on the defense and hard for prosecutor to pin any guilt on you.
Amazing video and very realistic scenarios. The 2nd part shook me thinking of my kids being in a situation like that and how the bad guys don't give a crap about anyone's life. My first instinct is to protect, but without experience, I'd be dead too!
Jury nullification is all that matters. Everyone must use it to protect ourselves from a despotic system.
Colion, please continue with these real life segments. Great situational awareness.
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Agreed
Well I'm glad my phone opened this up on its own, found a reply, and had a stroke writing a comment lol. Good video and very informative, I'd like to take a class like this myself.
I found it strange though that Colin said that he shot 3 times and the reenactment had him shooting more. However the way the reenactment played out wasn’t the way Colion reacted. Colion almost immediately began walking sideways towards the cashier. The reenactment did not show that.
You get milliseconds to make the right decision in a scenario you are or are not trained for, but the lawyers get all the time and all the evidence to present to jurors, that probably know nothing about this situation, who get hours to decide your fate, all without a gun to their heads.
That pretty much sums up what it's like being a cop
@@stevenvonsoosten207 no it doesn't.
@@austinlance7206 I've been a cop for 7 years lol yes it does
@@stevenvonsoosten207 because we don’t train the police. At least police have qualified immunity and unions to protect them. Citizens do not
This was great Colion. To watch you react in these situations…. Fine teaching.
I’m Australian…a Queenslander to be precise. They’ve changed the self defence laws some years back so that you can defend yourself with lethal force, BUT there are a lot of caveats. A guy about twenty years ago had some guys kicking his door in at 2am…he owned speedway cars and a large workshop, the guys were trying to steal money and tools. He warned them that he was armed, and as they opened the door, he fired a .22 rifle through the door, wounding one of the attackers.
HE was the one arrested and found himself in court, looking at jail time. Luckily he was acquitted, but people were outraged. What was he supposed to do? Wait for the bad guys to break in and see what happened?
Now they use a lot of “proportional force” crap. If the attacker has a knife, then you had better have a great excuse for shooting him, even if he’s in your house.
Equal force laws are stupid. The aggressor already has the advantage of choosing the time, place, and means of an attack.
Huge respect to Colion for being willing to film his scenario and feedback. Solid, brother.
Is this legit, the real you @colion
@@BackcountryProfessor no its not legit its a bot
@@nosebleed7389 yes. Definitely a bot.
“The shot to the back……” Why is this a question? It seemed apparent the man was about to try and commit an armed robbery. Even if the alleged criminal was fleeing, he still had a gun in his hand. Could he have started shooting behind him as he was fleeing? Yes. There was a cop killer here in NYC who was on a bicycle with a handgun while fleeing from the cops. As he was pedaling away he shot multiple times behind him. One of the shots traveled 70 yards and struck a police officer between the eyes killing him instantly. Was the perp a threat while fleeing with a firearm? Yes.
Not just an armed robbery, but also attempted kidnapping, that changes the scenario
@@soaringeag1392 that was the second scenario
@@soaringeag1392 I think OP meant in the first scenario where the Perp was running for the back door.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 that probably is the case, especially since the first scenario had the "perp" not fire, and instead retreated when faced with resistance
It's a dumb presumption based on old chivalric ideas that it's dishonorable to attack a fleeing enemy. The problem is that the enemy is not chivalrous and doesn't care about honor.
I have never joined or posted any comments on TH-cam but this video opened my eyes. And I thank you and I will subscribe. Keep on doing what you do bro. Thank you
Aggravated crimes forfeit the perpetrator’s right to life.
It’s crazy to think the prosecutor gets to Monday quarterback frame by frame without the adrenaline and fears of what you had to deal with in just seconds with fear and anxiety and adrenaline pumping . And they get to decide your fate without going through the same. And for the medical examination to be used to decide which round killed them . Crazy
Honestly the fact that our country has a line this thins should be illegal. When we allow criminals a right to self defense in the middle of omitting a crime is beyond me. The moment you involve a deadly weapon in a crime your right to self defense should be forfeit. No one in the heat of the moment should have to consider spending years of their life behind bars because they're trying to protect themselves or others from a criminal with a weapon. Our legal system only ever seems to work against good people these days while letting the criminals out easy.
Hence, criminal justice system...
This is what happens when you have colleges and law schools and politicians doing nothing more than pushing for eliminating the 2nd Amendment and every other Amendment in our CONSTITUTION.
The system only seems rigged against Law Abiding Citizens because Citizens are against Law Abiding AMERICANS!!!!
exactly I was shaking my head the whole time
The person should never even step in a courtroom period, and even if so no prosecutor should take the case
Well never vote democrat and innocent people will be less likely to be prosecuted for putting a career criminal in the dirt.
This is a perfect scenario in Q&A that I recommend for everyone especially as a new gun owner. And with a conceal carry license This channel is perfect for me.
Man this was pretty eye opening. Hard to believe that Colion could be in legal trouble for either of these. Especially scenario 2, the fact that someone could even argue that he shouldnt use lethal force when the bad guy was in the process of kidnapping his girlfriend is infuriating. Legal system needs a serious injection of common sense.
Honest question as an outsider from europe: Does it? I mean I always read and see these guys talking about how this "could" end up with you in trouble because the system is so irrational, but I have yet to see a real example. As far as I can tell no one has been charged for defending themself in a reasonable way. The only example I could find where someone was charged even though he was defending was when he actively baited the opponent so he could get into a situation where he can shoot him. Like the one dude who baited teenagers with an open garage door, waited for someone to come in to take something and then blast them. Is there any example you can name which you think is a real bad case?
@SangerZonvolt im Canadian so i cant really speak on it either. I can tell you it differs significantly from state to state though, some US states you have to be very careful and basically have no other choice but to use lethal force, and in others you can just about shoot anyone that enters your home. But youll still likely have to defend yourself in court
@@SangerZonvolt Yes as much as this worried me I did think the same thing, I have not heard too many cases of self defense where they were in the right and still get charged. Only one that came to mind was the guy who emptied some rounds into robber after he was already downed and out which made sense.
@@jumpiko4553 there's a case in Texas of a soldier Daniel Perry who shot and killed a BLM protester who leveled a rifle at him in 2020 Perry was working as like a Uber driver or something in his free time and ended up near a BLM protest doing his job and a protestor walked up with a AK variant and pointed it at him he pulled his handgun and killed the guy his facing a murder charge rn
@Trenton
I can find nothing on that name in you second comment. Can you provide a link or anything on the first story? Would like to read more about the details.
I feel that something important to discuss, is the importance of "NEVER talking to the police or the prosecution". This is just as important as making sure your use of force is justified.
Dropping info, like the 3 vs 8 shots in the first scenario, is entirely possible, and the police/prosecution WILL use that against you. And just like you don't talk to the police, you never testify as a defendant! For lawyers, questioning people is their career, you don't stand a chance. They will pound any evidence against you to get any sort of evidence of wrongdoing to the court.
The only things you should ever say to the police when they are questioning you are:
1.I wish to remain silent
2.I want a lawyer
Anything else is just asking to be thrown in jail. We have the right to remain silent in this country, so use it damn it, and shut up!
And you should not even give a formal statement to the police until you've had 3 nights of sleep after a defensive shooting. That is something that is taught in CCW classes. And definitely have an attorney present.
Saying it was self defense/defending others is ok if that is all you do say, so the order for me is:
1. It was self defense/defending others (not another word after this statement)
2. I wish to remain silent
3. I want a lawyer
@@jrobinson5661 Well said. You want to say as little as possible to the police after a self defense shooting. In this scenario the cops are your adversary. They can use anything you say against you in court.
It really is a shame that shooting a bad guy to protect your life puts your freedom on the line. Especially in states that don't have stand your ground laws. Every state should have this law! It is the one thing that can really save your @$$.
But unfortunately ppl get mouth diarrhea... and sink themselves yo to their eyeballs in 💩💩💩.
@@jrobinson5661 All you've to say, I wanna speak to my lawyer now., at that moment you can't talk to you and whatever is said, isn't admissible, when law enforcement says "all you say can ,and will be used against you in a court of law " it ain't a joke, \ you say, I was defending these poor folks, the DA will jump and say, "Oh so you felt like you had to be their savior, the hero" , and oh shitty, you did said that you self proclaimed to be their savior, see? ... I've been in court fighting for my freedom, being innocent ,chained up from head to toe, heck i looked like freaking Hannibal Lecter, I got demonized deemed a danger to society, and that's the way law enforcement still sees me till this day , and when I saw the way those DAs twist things around, I almost fainted, seeing myself wearing those shackles and chains for years... all for defending myself without thinking... no gun was utilized..
When some "big brained" guy in a cozy safe room can spend hours picking apart situations you had seconds to decide you know we have problems.
We need to recognize that and call it what it is
Yep I’d aim higher lol just to be an asshole and say assholes get asshole treatment in real life hit the head
That's my thought. Any prosecutor who starts this conversation doesn't deserve that job.
Yes! It’s BULLSHIT !!!
The fact is we have these laws for a reason. Many self defense shootings are not “Self Defense” the first shooting was unjustified as he could have left AND the gun was pointed at someone else (who was also armed)
Nothing to do with a big brain guy in a cozy safe room. It’s just what the law considers reasonable
@@vrcmf3172 that's my whole point you are adding a lot of conjecture to what was happening
It's OK to debate and reason or argue things but it's very skewed imo
Those were really awesome scenarios. I could literally watch videos like this alllll day!
The first scenario seemed as if it would have been a legit shooting, however after the breakdown it really makes you question if you want to even carry a concealed weapon and be placed in that situation. Also with respect to being in court and having to recount your story with all that adrenaline pumping at the moment is very hard.
Generally speaking, you shouldn’t endanger your life and/or your families’ lives to try and play hero. Obviously your intentions may be good but it’s not worth the companies drawer full of money.
USCCA: "You should carry a gun to defend yourself."
Also the USCCA: "When you do anything to defend yourself, you will go to prison, so sorry for your luck."
😂
They are being realistic, the reason why they offer insurance is because no matter how valid your reasons were you will most likely be either charged or sued after the fact.
They are there to protect you and represent you when it happens.
I'm I'm military law enforcement, they have repeatedly told us that regardless of how valid your reason is...someone is going to put you through the ringer after the shooting.
Seriously. It's like the NY gun laws, oh so the SC says you can conceal carry? We'll just make it illegal to conceal carry anywhere except your yard. We have the right to self defense, we're just not actually allowed to use it in 99% of cases.
Shit that's depressing... and to think theirs a jury of your "peers" who would actually say you deserve to go.
Kinda makes you yearn for the days of frontier justice where you could shoot an armed robber in the face then go home and sleep like a baby.
Been carrying for over 30 yrs, but I still remember a very important lesson we were taught about perception and reality. It involves an actual incident.
A man (call him p1) pulls up to a convenience store, and through the window he sees a plain clothed man pointing a gun toward the direction of where the clerk would be, behind the counter. P1 can not see behind the counter, only the armed 'assailant'. Believing he was witnessing an armed robbery, he fired through the window, killing the 'perp'.
What he (p1) only found out afterwards, was he shot a plain clothed off duty PO, who had the actual 'perp', who was holding a knife to the clerks throat, at gunpoint.
Now, I don't remember what happened (charge wise) to p1, and I know 'any reasonable person' would believe the PO was the assailant.
But it taught me a very valuable lesson. Any situation could (& probably will) have multiple unknown/unknowable facts to you pertaining to the circumstances, and you could ruin your life by presumption and acting too quickly or impulsively.
These live scenarios are the BEST training. Keep up the great work Colion.
Cheers
This is why i will never draw a weapon unless my life or the life of someone i know is in danger.
In that scenario , the guy wasnt even in the store so he had no need to engage. He wasnt in danger. This is why its important to mind your damn business. Dont ever get involved in 3rd party incidents. Its not always clear to tell whos the good or bad guy. And its actually more dangerous than if you were directly involved.
@@Hextin I agree with all of you and am of the same mindset. Unfortunately that only protects us from being the one who accidentally pops the good guy and doesn't protect us from being the good guy who gets popped by the guy who rolls up late to the situation.
@@Hextin mind your business is wrong here. Don't engage is correct, but you should at the very least be immediately dialing 911.
They could have added that to this scenario too. Like have someone outside the cafe and hear the shots and rush inside. Depending on the timing there's a point where the bad guy is gone, people are on the ground and it's just Colin standing there with his gun out....
@@chrishaugh1655 yeah but who knows. how can tell me you dont get shot when you pull a phone out for 911
Such a great little video highlighting the importance of training and education for self defense. I would not carry a gun for self defense without having carry insurance. Thanks for doing this and sharing.
Among the best training vids I've ever seen..
Thk you!
Our county sheriff's department does a citizen's firearm fundamentals class. They have a fancy simulator that they give you time on. It's very enlightening and a great training tool.
That's an awesome idea, I'm abit envious.
That is a great idea actually. Any chance drop the county? Hoping its mine lol .
@@Cryaboutmyhandle Check with your sheriffs office. If they don't do this, ask them to consider it a public service.
@@Cryaboutmyhandle Coweta County Georgia
If you're currently in the act of committing a crime, you have no right to self defense. That's insane.
Except you actually do, depending on what is happening. Obviously an armed robbery means your are threatening death or serious harm, and others can defend themselves from you. But if it is petty theft or something simpler you may have grounds to stand on. If you shoplift from a store or gas station, and as you are leaving, you are chased out with a gun, you can turn and fire to defend yourself.
Everything is subjective, and laws differ state to state. Each case is unique, which is why they are all tried individually and no blanket statement can be given.
I absolutely agree. However activist DA’s funded by people like Soros, activists Judges are out to destroy your ability to self defense. They are on the side of the criminal, because they themselves see you as their pray and how dare you resist
@@Lethal_Bite Strong arm robbery/shop lifting/theft should never be grounds for legal self defense. I'll grant you the laws vary and are binding but that doesn't make it right though.
@@lastswordfighter First off, let me say I do not condone any crime of any sort. Don't go and commit crimes, I hate criminals. Now, you just mixed two VERY different crimes. Strong arm robbery is threatening violence. Shoplifting is not. If I take a bag of chips and run, I am of no danger to you. If you decide to hunt me down, you are now threatening violence, not me. I now am the one in a position of defense, because you showed violence first and I am retreating. Even if I have wronged you by stealing, you as an average citizen are not authorized to do police work.
@@Lethal_Bite that's fucking horse shit. And that's why our laws are fucked up and we have criminals everywhere. Cuz criminals are protected. Fuck that
Very intense scenarios. Had my heart racing. We need more of these types of scenarios!!! :)
you guys should do more of these training scenarios...
I'm grateful you and USCCA are putting out content like this. Just carrying a gun with out thinking things like this through is a mistake. No matter what side of the debates anyone is on, these are circumstances that exist and happen often. Thank you for the thought provoking videos, as always.
a gun is a tool , albeit a deadly tool . Not having the proper skills to use said tool or having the right mindset in times of crisis to use that tool properly is where problems can start .
I have believed in the merits of doing more than the minimum in prepared skills. and abilities to respond to a self defense scenario. in the CCW class.they try make you understand it's more than just having the gun.and bad choices (even if they seem right) can ruin your life and possibly other's.
Hearing it from someone trying to prepare you is one thing. Seeing or participating in something like this video.brings a better understanding of how important that message is.
Uscca is a clown organization that supports “fun control”
Yeah, in my 20s my biggest fear was coming upon a violent rape in progress because I'd have had a difficult time meeting force with force requirements. Basically I'd be tempted to blow off his cock with a terrified crying female as my justification. Now I don't carry because I exchanged shots in self defense but our legal system is corrupt beyond belief so I plead out loosing my rights. Never take a plea, no matter how bad they make it sound, they are just as vile as any other criminal gang out there, they just work for the state and use cops as muscle.
When you watch this, remind yourself that a lot of the DAs who would love to throw the book at someone in this scenario are the same DAs who are passionate about no cash bail for violent criminals.
Look no further than what they tried to do to Kyle
Ouststanding Video!!!! Keep these type of videos coming, their value cannot be understated!! Thanks
Least realistic part of those training scenarios was he mentioned anger and frustration as emotions, but not one mention of fear. Certainly in the second one where you just watch a woman get shot for nothing at all and they were then pointing a gun at you nearly constantly you would likely feel way more fear than anything else.
Yes. I say that anger ALWAYS covers some other emotion -- fear is the appropriate one in this case.
Lets be honest, we have the 2A but they still want to give us life for protecting ourselves or other people.
The fact that a simple “thank you for defending yourself and other fellow citizens, go about you day” can turn into multiple years in prison….. Just shows how this justice system is useless.
Never give a statement after a shooting. Respectfully state that you defended yourself and state that you want a lawyer before you give a statement. Period.
@@122756ABC dont even say you defended yourself. Just become an broken record and say "i want to see my lawyer"
@@Linkophere In my experience, I found that generally giving the police a direction to proceed in their investigation w/o incriminating yourself is best. You want that contact with LEO to help set the direction of the investigation in your favor. “I defended myself” is not incriminating. Thereafter you let them know you’re respectfully requesting counsel before making any further statements. My card used to have this request printed on the back so citizens could just hand it to the cop.
America is a shitshow
100%. as far as i'm concerned, if someone instigates something with you, and something as dangerous as pulling a gun out at you, you need to defend yourself by any means necessary. the law should say that "you forfeit your rights the moment you decide to inflict harm on someone else". if you don't wanna get shot or killed, don't friggin go doing it to other people. it should be that simple. none of that bullshit about which bullet killed him, whether it was from the front of back. it's fucking nonsense why those things exist, especially when they're used in defense of criminals
It's interesting how similar the laws in these states are similar to the laws in my country. The prosecution will always try to nail you on whether or not you were able to retreat, and whether the use of force was proportionate to the threat being posed.
We had a case recently where a guy growing a large amount of weed had his house raided by some local armed thugs. His wife and kids were in the house. He was hit in the head with a butt of a shotgun, but was able to grab his taiaha. He fought them off with a Taiha (wooden spear) long enough to go to his gun cabinet and retrieve his shotgun (that he had a licence for). The men fled to their car and the defendant fired 8 shots at their car, killing one and wounding two others.
His lawyer stated "his client was panicked and fearful as he wasn't sure what the men's motives were, whether they were planning on coming back and Williams himself had submitted that once he started firing he was "committed", as the men then knew where he was.
He didn't want them coming back."
At trial the jury found him not guilty on all charges. He was convicted on the separate charge of growing for supply, but he walked out of the courtroom with time served.
The guy was an idiot for engaging in illicit activities, putting his family at risk, but the jury found him justified in defending himself.
Thank you for this perspective. I've been a USCCA member for two years now and I am not going to go into court defenseless if it comes down to me having to defend my life or someone elses life.
This is scary. Even though everyone was acting, this seemed scary that it could happen at any moment while just at the store. Now do one where the robber has a knife.
It made my heart beat fast and adrenaline pump for sure. I think I was almost as startled as Colion.
I like how real it was, like one of the bystanders had airpods in, like this could truely happen at any time and you have to go from unprepared to prepared in a second
Should have the same outcome. The weapon used is irrelevant.
@@wacobeer6469 from a legal sense a predatory prosecutor could argue that it wasn’t a deadly threat to you because you were x distance away. I would argue in defense of a third person, the cashier but it could still happen that you get prosecuted.
Blades can kill faster than a gun can. Just a single cut a quarter inch deep in the right place and it's unconscious in 30 seconds, gone forever in 1 minute. Literally the ONLY thing that changes with a blade is that the news will still say the bad guy was "unarmed" because he didn't have a gun, it already happened multiple times in the media. You'll lose the case on the news, but a Biology expert can help you win the case in court as long as the judge is competent and not a coward.