Ok,... now I have "Lord of the Flies" type imagery in my head, with a bloody sacrifice being brought to be sacrificed to one of the Elder Gods...to keep the Universe from being des...wait that's just Knocck at the Cabin....although Now I see Dave Bautista chanting it.." Heat From Fire.... Fire from heat!!! Make....a....choice!!!"
What's also pretty fun is to start in my fem voice "heat from fire, fire from heat" and then go back down to male for "blood for the blood god, save me my seat"
I am forever grateful for your lessons. My voice was the biggest concern I had in transitioning. I found your videos and it’s taken 15 months but I’m now consistently gendered correctly, so much so that my mom even comments on it and friends are freaked out if I drop to my male voice. The mantra phrases and exercises helped me more than anything and it’s amazing to finally hear myself and not hate it. ❤️
The more I dive into the world of trans the more interesting it gets. I am not trans myself, didn't really undertand the fancy phonetic language, but I still want to thank you for being a huge help to those who are. And hey, I'm always interested in poetry and linguistics so I still see this as a W.
In all seriousness though this is really interesting! Not only because it's a sweet anecdote from your own personal experience and practice, and also a phrase that apparently contains a lot of important elements to train our voice awareness, but maybe there's also a broader idea that we can take from this that I find encouraging. Something like... we can find certain specific challenges for ourselves to work on, return to, refer to. Even if its a challenge that seems daunting at first, it can also become a kind of inspiring mantra as it becomes a symbol of how far we have come! The legendary and well-loved "heat from fire, fire from heat" memes are just an example of how much your work has inspired so many people and it's great to see Z happy that one of her practice phrases has become a symbol of shared determination for the trans voice community
Ive heard this as a meme and quickly learned it was voice training for fem voices, im trying to get a masc voice but learning more about how voices in general work is both fun and helpful (i also wish to voice act ^^)
Wtf they turned heat from fire, fire from heat into an actual poem😱😱😱??? Jokes aside the analysis of the phrase is actually pretty interesting. Never knew there was this much to break down about speaking a 6 word sentence which is mostly repetition. Analysis like this might make for good content in the future if there are any other phrases like this with some cool phonetics.
I'm only a month into voice training, so I'm having difficulties keeping my voice at that the level I want it to stay on. I would've never had the courage to go this far and keep practicing without your videos and guidance, so I just want to thank you 💚
I've always loved the idea that communication is sort of equivalent to telepathy/magic. That thought has only solidified as I read Steven King's "On Writing." And "Heat from fire, fire from heat" is definitely an incantation. Kind of like applying buffs before the fight in a game.
im like speedrunning all these videos and the progression of this studio over the past four years is amazing, omg, wtf, you went from having like one piano in the background to just having so much gear everywhere!!! lol
I love the phonetic part :) phonetics are super interesting, and IPA has especially helped me with pronunciation in choir. It's great to see why this simple phrase has such a strong and helpful effect
Every time I feel that my voice needs work or adjustment I always go back to this phrase, repeating it multiple times really helps with seeing where I am.
I thought I was the only one who knew about your channel here. I live in a small, rural community here in the Philippines. But when I recommended your channel to a fellow trans. She replied "that heat from fire girl". Ahahaha
"Heat from fire, fire from heat" is still the only phrase I can do that sounds passably fem to myself and in recordings. Everything else kinda falls apart, to my ears at least, and doesn't sound as good (even if other people still try to tell me the rest is good too...) It's my reset phrase basically to get me into the right voice, and it's the only thing that has actually worked for me. I can't raise my larynx at all with other exercises yet mimicking you saying this phrase has helped me sorta develop a fem voice so something must be working.
Okay... so I've never once said it when I've seen all your videos and even the memes... but literally rn, I tried it, and yes, my voice sounded so different, to the point where repeating this phrase a few times is literally burning my throat, like it feels like it dries up so fast but im not doing anything different from how I was doing any other exercise, it literally feels like it was straining me from sounding at a level I shouldn't be at... a meme well deserved honestly, holy cow that surprised me...
I honestly have to thank you lmao I have been using your practices every day and as a teenager with minor voice crack it was kind of hard now without even trying people assume that I'm a woman and then I get clocked with my face of course lmao but I have to thank you :)
Tysm for your lessons, I've only been voice training consistently for a month but am feeling a lot more confident thanks to all your resources. Without this channel I would have found it even harder just to start, thank you for everything you upload
Heat from fire has become a key phrase that some trans people use to tell other trans people that they know they're trans by their voice but in a secret, "In Group" sort of way. Like a.. secret handshake. And instead of just saying they know or outing you, they give you a wink and.. well I think that's pretty neat.
For many speakers (myself included), "fire" is actually a triphthong -- there is no hiatus between the /aI/ and the /@r/ (Kirschenbaum transcription because ANSI input).
Not the best at ipa notation. I normally think of it as a triphthong. Auditorally it’s almost like a tetraphthong to me though. i always hear a shadow schwa at the end. 😇
It is really pretty. I also adopted the phrase, "Fear doth love, love doth fear" from the passage as a non-nasal sentence for people to test nasality! Gorgeous poem.
Hi Zheanna, that's very interesting how the vocalization creates specific mouthforms. I'm exploring the effect of deafness on vocal atrophy, and your phrase reminds me of how Deaf mouthforms are created from a resting position in the back where it's not focused on. I've even noticed when I'm signing that I'm starting to make all the little clicking sounds that Deaf make. It's all very interesting and I love learning about it, and I even think it's somewhat relevant to your explorations. Think about this, Deaf voices tend to have a lot higher pitch, and from a resting position, which suggests that continued talking works the muscles, stretching them and effectively deepens them over time, and yelling, especially roaring, does this pretty much instantly, so it's worth looking into~
@@TransVoiceLessons neat ^^ Also I shared the video in the german LGBTQ groups I am, this phrase worked like magic for me and I want the other gals there to experience it too ^~^
When I took German in college, one of the language tapes we listened to had "Ich habe keine ahnung", with the soft "ish" as in fish. It doesn't shape the mouth nearly as much, but it does have more of the fullness of a German voice anyway, I'm sure you'll find the right words.
Oh haha that’s awesome Z! I was wondering what it meant. I’m still in the closet (fml) but have been using your videos to practice. I really love your videos soooo so much 💜. I’ve also been singing and rapping for a few years and since realizing I’m actually a trans woman, I’ve been feeling depressed sometimes with making music and singing especially because it feels like I gotta start all over again from square one. You’ve helped me feel like it’s a goal I can actually attain, that it’s not impossible and you make voice feminization as easy as possible to learn and for that I’m truly grateful 🥰. I learned it once. I’ve been a newbie before. I can do it again.
Honestly, ain't trans but I find this content interesting and love having a vocal range for singing or impressions as a hobby so I hope to explore and enjoy the other videos you have on trans vocalizing.
OMG! The image at 3:07 was a revelation! Thank you, thank you, thank you! That just changed everything, I see it, I get, I forking felt it. I was starting to feel really discouraged after a long plateau.
Z, this mantra and many other things you have shared with us to make our transition easier truly change many lives for the better every day, I can guarantee you that because you have done the same with me :3 I am still in the middle of my transition with my voice, but your videos are the only ones that make the process easy to go by for me and thanks to you I have made progress in just a few months. Thanks for inspiring me and many others to go on
This is so weird bc i am learning viola da gamba and we play john Dowland music but the lyrics are so corny and sad wasn't expecting to see that part of my life here
@@TransVoiceLessons Another time then, I hope... I listened to the Dowland song and was surprised how fast and bouncy it was. And Sting did a whole album of Dowland songs! I did not expect either of those things. All of that just made me more curious to hear your version :D
Honestly it's pretty rough for ppl in the UK. It's still a good phrase but the rhoticity from /r/ isn't there in Received Pronunciation for UK voices. I'd recommend something else.
@@TransVoiceLessons Your videos have helped me so much in my voice training journey and if it wasn't for you, I don't think I would've made nearly as much progress as I have
I have to thank you greatly, to be honest I used the poem as a benchmark and after a couple of weeks i read it with my new voice and I could barely believe the big changes i accomplished thanks to you (dysphoria is still there but it's going to take a while for that to go) and I was so euphoric for the first time hearing my voice, once again thank you so much!!❤
I've been trying for years and failing to get a voice I'm comfortable with, it's quite androgynous but never seems to go beyond that... I'm afraid of speaking the phrase because I'm convinced it won't sound as amazing as everyone seems to feel and then I'll just feel shitty about myself again. How to break this cycle? I am so jealous of all the girls with the unmistakably feminine voice
I think my voice sounds too "airy" like there is too much air in my voice and its too thin wich makes it sound off, I dont know how to improve that... It sounds fuller if I talk lower but thats also not a great solution to my problem... I thought just keep on practicing but what if i continue practicing it wrong so it becomes like a habit or something
When I noticed you were repeating it it kinda dawned on me. It's amazing!! You're amazing!! Thank you for all you've shared from your personal experience to professional knowledge.
ive never heard of this mantra, but it sounds like a great thing to chant while dancing around a firepit at 3am
definitely cult type beat vibes which i lahhhhve~~!
Aaaaannnddd now I have another thing to add to the list!
Thanks.
Ok,... now I have "Lord of the Flies" type imagery in my head, with a bloody sacrifice being brought to be sacrificed to one of the Elder Gods...to keep the Universe from being des...wait that's just Knocck at the Cabin....although Now I see Dave Bautista chanting it.." Heat From Fire.... Fire from heat!!! Make....a....choice!!!"
That I didn’t spot this Vriska profile photo earlier amuses me
Witchcraft. Trans. And... (here I come...!) Autism!.
C-C-C-Combo breaker!!!
What's also pretty fun is to start in my fem voice "heat from fire, fire from heat" and then go back down to male for "blood for the blood god, save me my seat"
lol
Haha, omg I will try that
Ah the sacred spell!! Its simple but powerful.
welcome witch :3
Quite unbreakable, too!
As a witch I can confirm
I am forever grateful for your lessons. My voice was the biggest concern I had in transitioning. I found your videos and it’s taken 15 months but I’m now consistently gendered correctly, so much so that my mom even comments on it and friends are freaked out if I drop to my male voice. The mantra phrases and exercises helped me more than anything and it’s amazing to finally hear myself and not hate it. ❤️
I'm so proud of you!!! This is amazing to read.
Cis man here.
I'm having fun exploring softer voice colours with heat from fire.
Cheers
The more I dive into the world of trans the more interesting it gets. I am not trans myself, didn't really undertand the fancy phonetic language, but I still want to thank you for being a huge help to those who are. And hey, I'm always interested in poetry and linguistics so I still see this as a W.
yeah the poem itself is really nice. same boat as you tho
give her a year or so
@@hd-bild1513 nah
In all seriousness though this is really interesting! Not only because it's a sweet anecdote from your own personal experience and practice, and also a phrase that apparently contains a lot of important elements to train our voice awareness, but maybe there's also a broader idea that we can take from this that I find encouraging. Something like... we can find certain specific challenges for ourselves to work on, return to, refer to. Even if its a challenge that seems daunting at first, it can also become a kind of inspiring mantra as it becomes a symbol of how far we have come! The legendary and well-loved "heat from fire, fire from heat" memes are just an example of how much your work has inspired so many people and it's great to see Z happy that one of her practice phrases has become a symbol of shared determination for the trans voice community
I love this comment so much and what it stands for. Thank you very much.
Ive heard this as a meme and quickly learned it was voice training for fem voices, im trying to get a masc voice but learning more about how voices in general work is both fun and helpful (i also wish to voice act ^^)
I feel like a feminising phrase can actually also be useful if you're trying to do the opposite?
@@liranpiade4499 I hope so. I'm a trans male so ;-;
Ah great now I can finally just link something to people who wonder why I have such an obsession with fire
>:D
Wtf they turned heat from fire, fire from heat into an actual poem😱😱😱???
Jokes aside the analysis of the phrase is actually pretty interesting. Never knew there was this much to break down about speaking a 6 word sentence which is mostly repetition. Analysis like this might make for good content in the future if there are any other phrases like this with some cool phonetics.
It seems really useful as an analysis, to create similar sentences for trans people in other languages.
I'm only a month into voice training, so I'm having difficulties keeping my voice at that the level I want it to stay on.
I would've never had the courage to go this far and keep practicing without your videos and guidance, so I just want to thank you 💚
I've always loved the idea that communication is sort of equivalent to telepathy/magic. That thought has only solidified as I read Steven King's "On Writing." And "Heat from fire, fire from heat" is definitely an incantation. Kind of like applying buffs before the fight in a game.
im like speedrunning all these videos and the progression of this studio over the past four years is amazing, omg, wtf, you went from having like one piano in the background to just having so much gear everywhere!!! lol
I love the phonetic part :) phonetics are super interesting, and IPA has especially helped me with pronunciation in choir. It's great to see why this simple phrase has such a strong and helpful effect
I love phonetics! This is the first time on the channel I've gotten to do a phonetic breakdown. Really fun to share here!
Every time I feel that my voice needs work or adjustment I always go back to this phrase, repeating it multiple times really helps with seeing where I am.
So I guess something closer to a true phonetic palindrome in this case would be, "Heat from fire, rife murf tea?" Idk if that has the same ring to it.
I thought I was the only one who knew about your channel here. I live in a small, rural community here in the Philippines. But when I recommended your channel to a fellow trans. She replied "that heat from fire girl". Ahahaha
"Heat from fire, fire from heat" is still the only phrase I can do that sounds passably fem to myself and in recordings. Everything else kinda falls apart, to my ears at least, and doesn't sound as good (even if other people still try to tell me the rest is good too...)
It's my reset phrase basically to get me into the right voice, and it's the only thing that has actually worked for me. I can't raise my larynx at all with other exercises yet mimicking you saying this phrase has helped me sorta develop a fem voice so something must be working.
Okay... so I've never once said it when I've seen all your videos and even the memes... but literally rn, I tried it, and yes, my voice sounded so different, to the point where repeating this phrase a few times is literally burning my throat, like it feels like it dries up so fast but im not doing anything different from how I was doing any other exercise, it literally feels like it was straining me from sounding at a level I shouldn't be at... a meme well deserved honestly, holy cow that surprised me...
I honestly have to thank you lmao I have been using your practices every day and as a teenager with minor voice crack it was kind of hard now without even trying people assume that I'm a woman and then I get clocked with my face of course lmao but I have to thank you :)
This is so awesome! I'm proud of you.
At least you've got one part down! 👍
I didn't know a "reset phrase" was a thing, I started making one without knowing and it just helps me get into the voice a lot better
Tysm for your lessons, I've only been voice training consistently for a month but am feeling a lot more confident thanks to all your resources. Without this channel I would have found it even harder just to start, thank you for everything you upload
Heat from fire has become a key phrase that some trans people use to tell other trans people that they know they're trans by their voice but in a secret, "In Group" sort of way. Like a.. secret handshake. And instead of just saying they know or outing you, they give you a wink and.. well I think that's pretty neat.
While watching this I repeated "Heat from fire, fire from heat" like 20 times without even thinking about it; I think it's making a difference!
That skyrim shout meme killed me, the MEMES.
This is a really neat phrase, I really like it, thanks for the backstory!
For many speakers (myself included), "fire" is actually a triphthong -- there is no hiatus between the /aI/ and the /@r/ (Kirschenbaum transcription because ANSI input).
Not the best at ipa notation. I normally think of it as a triphthong. Auditorally it’s almost like a tetraphthong to me though. i always hear a shadow schwa at the end. 😇
Lovely!!! I practice this in my daily routine...thanks for posting!
if i had a dollar for every time i said this phrase…
Sameeee lol.
It's such a nice poem too! Fantastic
It is really pretty. I also adopted the phrase, "Fear doth love, love doth fear" from the passage as a non-nasal sentence for people to test nasality! Gorgeous poem.
You're amazing and helped me achieve my voice goals when I first spotted your channel two years ago. Thank you so much for the quality advice!!
12 years into transition and just hearing this today for the first time. Starting professional voice training tomorrow!
Hi Zheanna, that's very interesting how the vocalization creates specific mouthforms. I'm exploring the effect of deafness on vocal atrophy, and your phrase reminds me of how Deaf mouthforms are created from a resting position in the back where it's not focused on. I've even noticed when I'm signing that I'm starting to make all the little clicking sounds that Deaf make. It's all very interesting and I love learning about it, and I even think it's somewhat relevant to your explorations. Think about this, Deaf voices tend to have a lot higher pitch, and from a resting position, which suggests that continued talking works the muscles, stretching them and effectively deepens them over time, and yelling, especially roaring, does this pretty much instantly, so it's worth looking into~
not trans but a voice actor, this truly works
Can you do more breakdowns of mantra phrases, maybe also for different languages, like German? *hint hint *
Sure! It seems like people enjoyed the phonetic breakdown and I really enjoyed doing it! I'd be glad to do more in the future.
@@TransVoiceLessons neat ^^
Also I shared the video in the german LGBTQ groups I am, this phrase worked like magic for me and I want the other gals there to experience it too ^~^
When I took German in college, one of the language tapes we listened to had "Ich habe keine ahnung", with the soft "ish" as in fish. It doesn't shape the mouth nearly as much, but it does have more of the fullness of a German voice anyway, I'm sure you'll find the right words.
I promise to use this newfound knowledge responsibly.
Probably.
Oh my gosh so stoked! We are finally learning this ancient mystic secret
Oh Unholiest of Sisters, Brothers, and Others We Haveth Gathered Hereth Today to Discern the Arcane Wisdoms of the Voice. *ommmmmmmm*
Had to end a session early because I couldn't stop laughing at saying "yeet from fire, fire from yeet" lol
this has also become my mantra haha, thank you for this sacred knowledge
Your channel has turned my life around! No cap!
so cool to know that it comes from a renaissance poem!
Since I heard you say it, I've incorporated it in my vocal warm ups.
Oh haha that’s awesome Z! I was wondering what it meant. I’m still in the closet (fml) but have been using your videos to practice. I really love your videos soooo so much 💜. I’ve also been singing and rapping for a few years and since realizing I’m actually a trans woman, I’ve been feeling depressed sometimes with making music and singing especially because it feels like I gotta start all over again from square one. You’ve helped me feel like it’s a goal I can actually attain, that it’s not impossible and you make voice feminization as easy as possible to learn and for that I’m truly grateful 🥰.
I learned it once. I’ve been a newbie before. I can do it again.
Honestly, ain't trans but I find this content interesting and love having a vocal range for singing or impressions as a hobby so I hope to explore and enjoy the other videos you have on trans vocalizing.
OMG! The image at 3:07 was a revelation! Thank you, thank you, thank you! That just changed everything, I see it, I get, I forking felt it. I was starting to feel really discouraged after a long plateau.
That first comic meme is one of the cutest things I’ve ever seen.
I like the vibe of these videos, it's like training cassettes
Glad you enjoy this format. I like it more tbh.
Z, this mantra and many other things you have shared with us to make our transition easier truly change many lives for the better every day, I can guarantee you that because you have done the same with me :3
I am still in the middle of my transition with my voice, but your videos are the only ones that make the process easy to go by for me and thanks to you I have made progress in just a few months. Thanks for inspiring me and many others to go on
"I got hired"
Did she then get... Fired?
~Heat from fire, fire from heat~
Thank you! I was asking someone just the other day where this came from
It does work lol. I barely got started on the journey and this phrase helps tremendously to get my voice to the right pitch.
Clicked to learn where the meme came from, stayed for the nerdy in-depth explanation :3
1:24 - Okay, that's hilarious
This is so weird bc i am learning viola da gamba and we play john Dowland music but the lyrics are so corny and sad wasn't expecting to see that part of my life here
LMAOOO
it totally sounds like some fire spell being casted lol
:3
Love your phonetic nerdiness ❤️ 😉
Thanks for sharing it!!
Thanks to you i now understand what it means after seeing it in memes and videos. Thanks for explaining it! Good luck in life and have a perfect day!
That's a beautiful story behind the mantra. Thank you so much!
Is it possible to sing well / realistically if you practiced this a lot? I want to sing as female.
Yes of course! You can find me doing that on this channel and my music channel.
Holly Molly, I always thought this was s random phrase lol
I would love to hear your performance of that poem!
I was gonna include it in this video but it added and extra 2 mins so I cut it. ;3
@@TransVoiceLessons Another time then, I hope...
I listened to the Dowland song and was surprised how fast and bouncy it was. And Sting did a whole album of Dowland songs! I did not expect either of those things. All of that just made me more curious to hear your version :D
wild that this made its way to a congressional hearing. i love trans people
Oh, information. Thank you! Also, this phrase has helped a bunch. Take care!
Bruh I've been telling myself I'd try this for a month now but TH-cam got tired and decided to throw it in the reccomended instead
This phrase has been stuck in my head for months lmfaoo
Currently studying English and I just hate Linguistics, altleast I understood everything you just said. Nice
FIRE FROM HEAT
welcome witch 🧙
HEAT FROM FIRE
FIRE FROM HEAT
Yess! New video!!!!!
its you! where'd the hat pfp go! :D
God bless you, you're incredible. Thank you very much, please just do it what you're doing.
This is awesome!! I was wondering if this works for ppl from the uk or if there’s an alternative?
Honestly it's pretty rough for ppl in the UK. It's still a good phrase but the rhoticity from /r/ isn't there in Received Pronunciation for UK voices. I'd recommend something else.
I recognize your "Fear doth love" in it as well!
Heat from Fire
Fire from Heat
thank you a lot for your videos btw they helped me so much
Heat from fire to you as well, sistren!!!!
@@TransVoiceLessons Your videos have helped me so much in my voice training journey and if it wasn't for you, I don't think I would've made nearly as much progress as I have
I get a postaveloral flap instead of the glottal stop at the end of /heat/
I have to thank you greatly, to be honest I used the poem as a benchmark and after a couple of weeks i read it with my new voice and I could barely believe the big changes i accomplished thanks to you (dysphoria is still there but it's going to take a while for that to go) and I was so euphoric for the first time hearing my voice, once again thank you so much!!❤
This is such a cool backstory 🔥
Good to know! But I was far more interested in the musical instruments you have. :) Funny how priorities change over the years!
Whoa, i never noticed that `heat` ends with a glottal stop rather than with a `t`. The phonetic terminology just helped me improve my pronunciation !
can you make a video about transferring the knowledge from english, if english aint your native language and not often used in practice?
Oh, now I'm really curious about that poem reading project. It sounds really awesome! Is the result available online somewhere?
Reddit just embraced this and it became a meme
Best I can do is quoting glados lines since 2011
Lol I knew it would pick up. I still am practicing but I'm an absolute mess and have no idea what I'm doing
It's going to appear as an Easter egg in every game I ever make. Just saying. It really is a magical phrase for many of us now.
My reset phrase is "Hey guys! What's up!" And I practice by reciting Hamlet's soliloquy.
OMG! I'm in this video! I'm just watching it, and then "Why is my name on the screen!?!"
I was just looking for cute mentions of it in my yt comments! :3
@@TransVoiceLessons Oh, it made my day!
It's awesome 🔥🔥🔥
You're awesome, Amy!
@@TransVoiceLessons Thx so much, Zheanna. I use the techniques you teach every day, but more than than, your inspiration lives with me💗
Learning about trans stuff for my transmasc homie.
I found the history of the phrase was interesting. I didn’t know it was a meme until I was a trans memes video from one topic, it was really cool.
Meme! Lol now this is used heavy by a lot of people.
Yay a heart from Z soon she won't notice any of my comments anymore because she will become to popular on youtube.
Heat from fire , Fire from heat :)
Thanks, witch.
The one and only Elvira
Your alchemy is literally creating my alchemy.
Do you have any music where you say "Heat from fire" and the like a pause and then "Fire from heat" and then a huge bass drop yet?
nooo but I did notice someone on the internet made a song called heat from fire! lol!
I've been trying for years and failing to get a voice I'm comfortable with, it's quite androgynous but never seems to go beyond that... I'm afraid of speaking the phrase because I'm convinced it won't sound as amazing as everyone seems to feel and then I'll just feel shitty about myself again. How to break this cycle? I am so jealous of all the girls with the unmistakably feminine voice
Ok I forgot I wrote this two months ago but I'm finally tackling this and I slowly but surely am becoming more comfortable with it and my voice ^-^
So happy I learned this
The best dragon shout!
Wow! Amazing! You seem to know quite a bit of linguistics too!
With my accent I don't use a glottal stop at the end of "heat" and I don't use a schwa in "from".
I think my voice sounds too "airy" like there is too much air in my voice and its too thin wich makes it sound off, I dont know how to improve that... It sounds fuller if I talk lower but thats also not a great solution to my problem... I thought just keep on practicing but what if i continue practicing it wrong so it becomes like a habit or something
When I noticed you were repeating it it kinda dawned on me. It's amazing!! You're amazing!! Thank you for all you've shared from your personal experience to professional knowledge.
i'm gonna main pyro now