Renee.: We might have stopped Cayden's men last week but this doesn't change anything Hoss. Also we might have showed great teamwork by saving the city from getting leveled but this still doesn't change anything.... Did I make sure to mention that even though we occasionally work together it doesn't change anything? I did. Just wanted to make sure. This still doesn't change anything. Hoss.
And shit on Dinah's spotless record as a character in a few episodes, if Siren becomes Canary and Dinah dies, I'm done. They are ruining good characters to do dumb cliché shit
What spotless record the biggest mistake they made in the first place was hand the Black Canary Mantel to a killer when E1 Laurel was not a killer and believed in bringing criminals to Justice giving it to Drake was a mistake because she dose not have any connection to Laurel Lance or her family and as seen this Episode she dose not give a crap about that legacy Black Canary is like Batman a hero for Justice and dose not kill.
priceless reaction from both eric & aaron when the flash showed up & gave them a lift!! another positive note...diggle did not throw up from motion sickness!
Really good episode but Arrow B-team are getting more annoying with every episode, specially Dinah. It's to the point I'm starting to root for the bad guys when they show up.
I think the show creators are taking cues from the JLU cartoon series, and other sources. While the independent heroes have their freedom, their activities can have negative repercussions, and even go as far as doing more harm than good when compared to the more experienced teams who have been forced to look at the bigger picture and put their own interests aside when called for. Rene and Dinah have shown that they are in the fight for themselves, Dinah for revenge and Rene to redeem himself in his own eyes, and Curtis is simply following them out of friendship, while Diggle, Felicity and Oliver understand that they have to hold themselves higher, that they can't let everything be about them, otherwise innocents can get hurt. What we are seeing is the former members acting like Oliver fresh out of the island, while Oliver has had 5 years to learn from his own actions.
SilversRayleigh427 -I think the point is that he isn’t a bad fighter he is downplaying his skill. He uses other people and makes himself appear weak because he doesn’t want anyone to know how powerful he is.
Killing is bad. We do not just execute people. Huh? Huh! HUH?! If the team of Supergirl said that I'd get it. But Arrow? Who the hell are you guys? Oliver has executed half the city lmao.
I LOVED when Black Siren used a short burst Canary Cry to blow her handcuffs off. That was really cool. As for Vigilante, what if at some point towards the end of the episode, they show him come climbing out of a grave?? That'd be pretty dope.
I've been wanting more backstory about her as well. I would even find it interesting to see her actually turn evil on Earth 2. It could make her redemption arc more empathetic if we see the actual moment that changed her into Black Siren.
pretty good episode imo. so i was wrong..the way they had been building it up made it seem like it was a returning villain but Cayden's son was killed by Richard Dragon and Richard Dragon is indeed the true Big Bad for the season it seems..i hope they get into why he went after Cayden specifically and how he knew about him. reveal didnt have a strong impact on me though cause hes been in the background alot and i wasnt liking this interpretation because i felt he was being underutilized and the actor wasnt impressing me with the material he had but i thought the scene in the interrogation room with Cayden was definitely his strongest scene so far so maybe he impresses me more as he goes along for the rest of the season. i was a bit annoyed by Willaim putting himself in danger but ultimately i did get it.. hes just a kid scared for his dad. speaking of sons and fathers, the flashbacks to Cayden and his son really made me kinda sympathetic towards him for the first time, Michael Emerson was great , i dont think i would have liked Cayden nearly as much just on performance if he was played by someone else. also.. if Renee says " this doesnt change anything " one more time..im gonna get my own bow and arrow and shoot it into him through th tv.. hey dickhead, you're the reason this whole mess started, you dont get too throw jabs like that.
William, I believe, was born 2007/ 2008 so he'd be at best 11 years old. As for Dinah, I see it more as a return to how she was before she met up with Team Arrow, she was pretty dark and hellbent on killing the person who killed Vincent.
Ryan Witalison I see that too but she keeps harming lance and next episode she goes after felicity so I think oilver is going to have to put her down or she leaves it will get to that point
Dinah is tarnishing the black canary mantle she is choosing vengeance over justice which is not what earth 1 laurel stood for I hope lance takes the mantle away from her she should be better then this I’m sorry but even earth 2 laurel is better then that she lost her love of her life admittley she did go down a dark path but so did Dinah but I grant laurel earth 2 she never seeked revenge or vengeance
The fact that the team is so pissed off at them for trying to figure out who betrayed them yet again this season. And it turns out that 2 of them did. Rene sold them out, and Dinah was hanging with Vigilante. That’s suspicious and betrayal. Curtis is pissed off for a stupid reason. Rene and Dinah betrayed the team but you taped into my phone for a day...I trust them over you. What a joke. And Rene literally turned Oliver in to the feds, and he’s so pissed off at them for what??? Trusting him? That’s dumb writing.
Matt Innello Curtis is pissed because the team spied on him, despite the fact that last season he put trackers on Felicity to follow her around. It’s hypocritical.
I think Quentin was hypocritical in this episode. He tells Dinah no one ever deserves to die, BUT in the season 2 finale, when Laurel is kidnapped by Slade, het tells the Arrow to start killing again, was okay with Oliver killing Dahrk because he killed Laurel, BUT is NOW telling Dinah that no one deserves to die when it just so happens to be someone who looks like Laurel.
Yeah so is Dinah she is a hypocritical bitch about Vince and her she was killing long before oilver found her and Vince was killing for cayden James when she said he worked his ass off to be good bull shit
I think Lance is being pretty damn creepy with the evil Laurel issue, he basically chained and kidnapped her to try and make her more like his daughter
I agree evil laurel is a doppelganger of his daughter never liked that story plot because its stupid. He's trying to replace his dead daughter. He needs mental help at this point
Edgar Retana I didn’t like it either and I didn’t like the canary plot either with Dinah drake but they needed to bring laurel back some how why not do a doppelgänger story but I’m a laurel fan but can u can’t blame him he is sick of her making the wrong choices so he is going to help her by showing the good in her and what she can be and do only he can see the real good in her
I disagree with Canary having to be Laurel. Especially if "Laurel" is Black Siren. On s5 we had Oliver being extra picky over who could take the Black Canary's mantle and after all that, it'll go to a serial killer? No thank you, lol. E1 Laurel was better than that. We saw Sara struggle with all this already, we don't need that again. I agree that this storyline turns a creepy way. No matter what, Quentin needs to stop saying "there is part of my daughter in you" because ewww, no, there is not. This Laurel had her father and her boyfriend (Oliver) who died, this Laurel grew up a certain way, this Laurel was born on E2. She's not E1 Laurel and no matter how he "brainwashes her" with pictures and videos, it won't change that. They don't have the memories and shared experiences he had with Laurel. She DOES NOT WANT to be "E1 Laurel". I liked that Black Siren "claimed" her right to be herself (okay, redeem Black Siren if you want... but as Black Siren and not by compensating a writing mistake - killing Laurel - they made by trying and make us believe that she "is" the Laurel we had for four seasons). It really turned the end of the episode into some creepy kidnapping tbh... Quentin looked like a mad man. I don't like this storyline as they're writing it. To me they're twisting the Laurel/Quentin relationship we had on the show; when Black Siren called him "daddy" it irked me. It had nothing with the tender and soft way Laurel used to call him. It's really not because I'm "anti BS redemption", it's just the way they're doing it. It could have been done in a way less creepy way (for example I prefered how Oliver and Felicity tried to do so on s5, they were counting on Black Siren to reconciliate with *her own* past and try to become better because of it, they didn't try to change her!)
Why not they already gave it to a Serial Killer with Dinah Drake and she's been very quick to go back to the life as soon as thing did not go her way Siren might actually appreciate it and not actually want to let Quentin down buy ruining the legacy of his daughter the Black Canary Mantel as always been a family thing not something that get past around. As for Quentin Abducting her he kinda has no choice in the matter can't take her to the police it would destroy his Laurels Legacy if what she has done gets out and Drake is on a war path no Police station or Hospital will keep her safe from her in her weakened state he has also said the he knows shes not his Laurel but he knows she can be better than what she is right now ( I think it's his way of seeking redemption for what he sees as failing his own Laurel by saving the Laurel that did not have anyone there to save her (Despite E1 Oliver saying that he would find a way.).
This season's villain got spoiled so badly. Before the season came out, they announced that the villain is Richard Dragon. This whole episode, I knew that Diaz was the person that edited the video because of it.
nerdist.com/who-is-richard-dragon-breaking-down-arrows-latest-villain/ Also, I think that it was actually revealed somewhere that he was the big bad. At first, i thought it meant that Diaz would work together with Cayden, but during this episode, I realized that he was the big bad by himself. Also, if you think of the two other possible villains, it would be pretty obvious that they wouldn't be the main villain. Laurel and Anatoly definitely wouldn't become big villains.
It's so strange that the guy who plays Dragon was also in one of my favorite shows, Band of Brothers. It's weird to see heroes in one franchise be villains. Kind of like when C. Thomas Howell was played Ponyboy in the Outsiders played a killer in Criminal Minds
I felt bad for Caden James the entire episode. Most villain you're supposed to hate, but I kept putting myself in his shoes. This was so emotional! I've never seen an Arrow episode that haunted me this much, except for when Laurel died. It's interesting that this season is about parenting and trying to be the best for your kids. Caden was in and out of his son's life, Oliver is trying to be the best father he can be for his son, and Lance is trying to turn Black Siren into his Laurel. So many feels this season!
I have no issue with the split, how it was done was a bit silly with how it was out of the blue so it could have been done better but I do think it's a change in the formula we've seen for so long now. What I don't like is how Rene has to remind everyone all the time. We get it all ready Whiny Dog.
I hope next episode or you know, soon, we'll get a: Rene "but you know..." Oliver and/or Diggle "yeah we know, it doesn't change anything" To be fair, they didn't seem to give a fuck, on this episode, at least... Do the writers even know they keep making him say the same thing over and over again?
It’s almost amusing that he keeps making the same comment and Oliver basically shrugs every time. Oliver could care less. He is too old and too grown to be playing these childish games with Rene. Every time the newbies speak they just show how much more mature OTA are than them. I mean Rene has the nerve to say that every time they work with oliver, they get in trouble and that he is a death magnet, like Rene was living the quiet life of a librarian. Guess what buddy, you were in danger when you joined the military, you were in danger when you were running around alone as a wild stray. Oliver trained him, saved his life, he jumped off a bridge for him & he rewards that with betrayal & constant defensive complaining. I wish he would just understand that Oliver doesn’t want him back!
So far, despite the rather depressing negativity, this season has had some pretty good moments, which I'm guessing is why the writers decided to take this course with this season. Was thrilled to see Oliver and Felicity finally getting married, showing people slowly filing back into his corner. The dynamic with William has changed dramatically since the beginning of the season, as in the past two episodes we've seen that he has really warmed up to Oliver, and based on the scenes in the tunnel and at the theater, he's proven that he's a pretty brave kid (gee, I wonder who he takes after). Based on the lurch this episode left us in at the end and the three-week hiatus until the next episode, I'm pretty sure that this next one is going to be a real game changer.
Haven't watched the whole video yet but: don't you think Wild Dog is such a hypocrite? He is like: "You broke our trust Oliver, we can't be part of the team anymore." Yet he was the one who was going to testify against Oliver and didn't trust the team enough to tell them he had been approached by the FBI?
For those complaining that Richard Dragon was just in the background, here’s why. The Dragon has come with a league length of a shadow blinding all those in his wake while he claims his treasure.
To me honest, I still don't trust Alena. I shall not trust Alena. I agree with Eric. Stop trusting Alena! Petition for "This doesn't change anything, hoss" to be an episode title.
Imagine how cool it would've been for Prometheus to be the one who uploaded the photo (delayed timer) and killed Owen. I was actually thinking that Cayden's son was Billy Malone (who changed his name because of his hacktivist father), based on how Cayden described the death. And you know how the CW shows have something from the last season triggering the events of this season? It would've made Chase's influence more long-lasting.
There’s no way Elena (helix girl) is innocent. There’s got to be a bigger reason to why they featured her in those flashbacks. She’s too convenient and they trust her too much.
What happens if Black Siren is redeemed? Does she stay on earth 1 & join the Arrow team & has a relationship with Lance? If she stays on earth 1 & is good it's basically like replacing the first Laurel lol where is this storyline going?
Edgar Retana - she said she had to return to Washington but that she would be back for the trial. And since the city was on lockdown it makes sense that she wasn’t there.
I agree with you guys 100% about Dinah wanting revenge on laurel, and not dealing with the bomb. The only thing I can think of, is that she was right there when Vince died and could not do anything about it. She watched the whole thing pinned under that beam. So she feels regret and blames herself for not being able to stop that from happening... I also think Vince (Vigilante) is still alive. A few episodes ago when Cayden James came up to Vigilante and showed him the video footage of Dinah and himself, and Dinah slapped him because he had been lying to her and she found out that Vince was working with Cayden James l....Vince said “don’t worry Dinah has a button that I know how to push”. I think she knew how upset she got the first time she thought he died, that he knew if he needed to save himself he could basically pretend like he was dead again, to get away from both Cayden and Dinah
This is what I want the finale to be: in the previous episode Laurel is fully redeemed and gives team arrow Richard dragons hideout, the outsiders also find out where Richard dragons hideout is. They both launch a full on assault on his base with the help of the police. Oliver finally makes his way to dragon, they have an intense battle where only barely come out on top. Then at the end dragon reveals he wanted both teams there so he could get Dinah to kill Laurel. Meanwhile Laurel and Dinah are forced to team up and fend off Richards forces, but Dinahs rage comes back to her and she attacks Laurel. Oliver finds them with Dinah about to kill Laurel, he desperately tries to convince Dinah not too but she won’t listen, she’s about to kill Laurel and Oliver is forced to shoot her with an arrow, killing her to save Laurel. In other words, fuck Dinah.
Sean Taylor this is really the only time this season William has annoyed me a bit but I get ..his mom died because of a bomb and his dad might have a similar fate ..he was just a scared kid. Dinah did get on my nerves but it's more understandable because like Cayden ,she was consumed by grief and beyond reason . Renee though can go fuck himself with those snide remarks ..he is the one that messed this up ..he doesn't get to make jabs like that
Sean Dinah and Rene annoyed me more than William being stupid. I understood where William was coming from even if it was the dumbest of dumb moves. The last bomb he witness killed his mother. He scared to lose his father the same way and feels safe with him regardless he want to be with him in the same situation again.
Taimur Muggo With William, I agree it was just this episode in particular that he super annoyed me. As an actor I just don't find the kid compelling unfortunately which doesn't help. Rene and Dinah have just been ridiculously annoying. Which is a shame because Rene had grown on me before this whole arc.
Sean Taylor I agree about the child actor ...I always find it awful complaining about kid actors but he just isn't very good unfortunately . When he was first introduced ,I didn't like Renee but then he grew on me more and more but now he's just being very petty
Rene's audacity is the only thing that is bothering me and making me look down on him. Everything else from every character is good and justified to me (Yes! even Dinah, Curtis, William and Lance). Quentin does seem to be getting a little... obsessed by the end,... let's hope he snaps out of it soon xD
MeiTanteixX Fr “this doesn’t change anything hoss”, “we are still doing our own thing” every single time they take their leave 1-3 times every episode. In fact he’s the last one that should be angry, like Rene is annoying
E1 Laurel built the image of Black Canary based on high morals, saving people and helping Arrow. Since Dinah has stepped into the suit, she has completely ruined what Black Canary stood for - revenge over saving people? Give me a break... Go Black Siren!
Caroline Cheng season 5 she did exactly that. Season 6 up until the mid-season also did that. Now they are ruining Dinah for the sake of a redemption arc which could include both of them. Also, Black Siren is a direct front to what E-1 Laurel stood for.
Same I said the exact same thing and laurel does get her redemption Dinah has done nothing but ruin the title and siren is suppose to be stronger then Dinah they seriously dialed her back for arrow laurel could bring buildings down and she took the flash down in seconds and her fighting skills were really good that is why I like her on flash at least they make her strong
As a person who enjoyed Richard Dragon pre-Flashpoint. I liked his bit in the Green Arrow comics only because Sorrentino did the art. But I do not like him as a villain. Prefer the wise master that teaches the Question and Batman. As well as having a partnership with Bronze Tiger and [at times] Lady Shiva.
Next episode better teach the three stooges a lesson. I'm getting sick of Rene's attitude, Dinah's selfishness, and Curtis siding with them for who knows what reason. Hate that I have to wait three weeks though.
Pretty good episode. One of the best of this season. I'm so glad this pure of a shit villain James is gone. The newbies are getting really annoying though,especially Dinah and wild dog
Panos Voukias I didn't know how others were feeling about Arrow B-team but they have been getting more and more annoying to me. It's a shame because I really liked Rene and Curtis. Now, Dinah I haven't cared for from the start but now I can't stand her!
I was suprised that they killed off Cayden, it felt to early and to easy and I why could Vince heal from a bullet in the head but not a scream? Elena is probably working with Dragon, she might become Felicity's nemesis. René should never be allowed back on the team. William is literally a Child he is allowed to do dumb reckless things especially with everything he's been thru and his father being who he is. It creeps me out when BS calls Quentin Daddy, I am not a fan of hers but in this BC vs BS fight I'm rooting for her. i think one of the Newbies will die this season.
Part of me would love Alena to be evil if that meant she would be Felicity’s villain and she could actually have a storyline. But I also just want the poor girl to have a female friend after six years..
I think the main problem with this season of Arrow is that most of the main plots doesn't involve the Arrow at all. The reason Cayden was coming for him was based on a lie (not to mention a carbon copy of the Prometheus storyline, replacing father with son), the way the team split is being written has Oliver not having any control over any of their actions (they are being portrayed as being wrong in all matters), the Black Siren redemption arch doesn't involve Oliver at all. I get that not all plots need to be about him, but this season, the only plot around Oliver is about his son (yawn!). Even his investigation by the FBI has been completely dropped and forgotten for the last several episodes. When was the last time we saw Diggle's family? When was the last time we saw Oliver having a real heart-to-heart with Thea? She just wakes up from a coma and that's it? no more mentions of that? The fact that this episode was the best of the season but was still clearly flawed with some cringe worthy moments with William, Dinah and Rene is really troublesome. I'm glad this chapter is done so we can get to the apparently 'real' storyline.
A few episodes ago i wanted Laurel out of the picture, either killed or sent back to her earth, but now i just want Lance freaking dead. He's acting like a child trying to "save" this interdimensional murderer, but hey it's all good because she is her daugther's doppelganger.
You know, Dinah willing to let the city be destroyed just to kill Laurel is a complete 180 to what she was originally written out to be. William following his dad actually doesn't bother me as much as I'm sure it did to other people. I see it as he's desperate to stay with his only family he has left; good or bad. And if Cayden James hadn't woken up as fast he did, William would have the trigger away from him and Cayden wouldn't have any leverage left. That doesn't mean I want William to suit up though. That'll be a bad, horrible idea. Huh. Guess I had more to say than I thought.
I think there setting up Oliver's kid to be a "Robin" like character. Like Damien Wayne. They always said Arrow is a Batman show. They have done everything else.
I am unsure how you can not believe that people don't always react the smartest under this kind of emotion. Look at Cadin, he supposed to be a brilliant hacker, and he let his emotion cloud his judgement, with not only blowing up a city, missing that data in the video that it could be fake. People react differently, they always will. Till it happen to you, you can't say how you feel too.
Lance has lost his mind. The Newbies are being so annoying, Dinah choosing to fight BS over finding the bomb is stupid but her screaming at Lance, I wasn’t against it; dude has lost it.
my biggest problem with this episode is that flash has time to just drop them off but not time to help them stop a bomb thats going to blow up a whole city?! WTF Barry. remember in vixen when a city was in danger from weather wizard and a big wave and firestorm flash and vixen went there. Well surely this is a similar situation! Flash could search the city or get all the people out of the city right? And obviously the team split stuff is stupid especially dianah.
Ok this was by far the BEST episode of the season, gave some depth and backstory to Cayden, trying to humanize him before they kill him which was ok, they did it too late imo and should’ve started with that. Things happened in this episode that made you feel the whole Cayden arc was worth while even tho he wasn’t that good a villain. The manhunt for Diaz, Laurel, and Anatoli was great and made for great action, especially Dinah vs Laurel. And just the way they were all in that room together trying to figure out who did it, and the fight scenes that followed afterwards were just great. I think Diaz’s reveal would’ve meant way more if they had given him spotlight or anything to make us think of him before making him the big villain of the season, we’ll see tho he has a lot to prove. I see a change in direction with this twist and hopefully now the season will get better.
I loved this episode and this season although it is not as good as season 5, it is still good IMO and the show has remained strong since its return in January. The only other shows that impressed me are Supergirl and BL. it is so refreshing to watch a show that is not filled with a bag of filler episodes and goofiness every week.
Pissed that they killed Cayden James off just like that -_-. HE's the one built, not Diaz. I don't care much for Diaz to be honest, Cayden James? FUCKING AMAZING Villain & almost as good as Slade Wilson from Season 2. The actor also did an amazing job. What was the point from killing off the best villain of the season again? So yeah disappointing ending and now it's lost my interest. The only reason why I'll continue watching though is for Roy Harper's return & Laurel's redemption story. I'd rather Cayden stay as the Villain. Why change it and only build up Diaz for like a few episodes? Lol very silly imo.
So... Does this mean that we can finally start taking our villains seriously, because I never cared for the villain team. Black Siren is the only villain I have any sort of interest in, but her arc feels like it's gone on for a bit too long if they are going to have her be redeemed but that's just me. I never cared about Cayden and his motives, I feel like he would be a lot better had he been established before this season or something, idk, all I know is I'm totally cool with Dragon taking over, he actually feels like a threat
Hmm, Eric and Aaron really like the creepy getting the laurel back 'into' black siren ?? Lance now on the Criminal Minds story track.... sadly this season has hit a low in all the story arcs for me after Prometheus except the whole Oliver/Felicity story line being a bit more settled. Sad to see Michael Emerson leave but looking forward to his next show.
Am I the only one that thinks that Cayden James should have been the main villain . He was a much different villain when compared to all the other seasons .
Cayden did seem kinda unstoppable. I doubt cayden would've let his location be known when leaving the city for any other reason besides the plot. Cayden basically succeeded with his plan but was stopped by the writers.
Edgar Retana the one thing that I liked about him was that he actually never lost against Oliver and he also reminded me of the calculator ( Felicity 's Dad ) in a way
Not sure if Lance will be successful in turning siren good. But I'm really feeling that Lance doesn't make it to next season alive. I think it could go two ways. Lance tries and siren really is evil and kills Lance, cementing her villain status. Or he tries and maybe she seems like she could be good but dragon or someone else kills Lance and it pushes her to be better for him. I don't know. I just really feel like Lance isn't long for this world. I definitely could be wrong and hope I am, I like Lance.
I actually disagree with you guys on the Dinah being mad about Vince being a worse plot thread than the trust/team split. She's lost Vince twice. BOTH times when she was unable to do anything about it. She was forced to watch her lover die twice. She's probably the most Chaotic Good character we've had on Team Arrow. Would I prefer her to act more rationally or for it to be a split decision like you said? Of course, but I don't actually have a problem with her actions. It's frustrating to watch her do it, but it's supposed to be frustrating watching this character we've gotten to know pissed off and irrationally lashing out at everyone and everything around her. The whole 'you don't trust me' reason for her to be so pissed was one of the most bullshit plot threads Arrow has ever done.
Ya I don't want her to die because they could do some great stuff with having both on the show or with one on a different show there both great characters that I enjoy seeing
Not gonna lie, I was laughing my ass off when Black Siren got shot. Just thinking of all the triggered fans seeing Laurel die a second time was too funny. (He says pretending he didn't cry like a bitch when the first Laurel died.)
Dinah is grieving. She will come back. Oliver will be able to reach her She is just suffering for Vincent's murder. By the way, Siren is a damn psycho. She is evil. Lance has become a creep and needs to be hospitalised. Trying to brainwash some random person into act like his dead daughter What a looney toon
If Rene does that "still not together" thing again I'll be pissed- it's getting irritating. At least him and Dinah aren't written as shitily as Felicity in Seasons 3 and 4
Rene's script: "It doesn't change anything, Hoss." x100
*eye roll*
Renee.: We might have stopped Cayden's men last week but this doesn't change anything Hoss. Also we might have showed great teamwork by saving the city from getting leveled but this still doesn't change anything.... Did I make sure to mention that even though we occasionally work together it doesn't change anything? I did. Just wanted to make sure. This still doesn't change anything. Hoss.
they murdered rene's whole one season's character developement
And shit on Dinah's spotless record as a character in a few episodes, if Siren becomes Canary and Dinah dies, I'm done. They are ruining good characters to do dumb cliché shit
Killing is bad.
What spotless record the biggest mistake they made in the first place was hand the Black Canary Mantel to a killer when E1 Laurel was not a killer and believed in bringing criminals to Justice giving it to Drake was a mistake because she dose not have any connection to Laurel Lance or her family and as seen this Episode she dose not give a crap about that legacy Black Canary is like Batman a hero for Justice and dose not kill.
"The Devils Greatest Trick" perfect name for this episode with that ending
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
in this case Dragon convincing everyone he was a normal character
LANS GAMING the devil is known as the dragon in some texts.
priceless reaction from both eric & aaron when the flash showed up & gave them a lift!! another positive note...diggle did not throw up from motion sickness!
He stumbled around a bit to catch his breath lol and Oliver was fine. Thought that was pretty funny haha
Best episode this season... Lol Looking forward to this new arch. (Thank God)
Akasan yup, I just wish that the stupid drama between the teams would stop
Soufian 27 Because this show is called The Arrow, not Flash. He should shine on his own show.
Soufian 27 Yeah but I am cool with that. I may be in the minority but I am not a fan of Barry.
Soufian 27 It’s because he’s in jail. If he were about for more than 1-3 seconds, the camera would pan back towards his cell and he would be gone.
Akasan AKASAAAAAN!!
Also super happy that Kirk Acevedo is finally going to get a chance to shine. Always found him underrated.
Really good episode but Arrow B-team are getting more annoying with every episode, specially Dinah. It's to the point I'm starting to root for the bad guys when they show up.
I think the show creators are taking cues from the JLU cartoon series, and other sources. While the independent heroes have their freedom, their activities can have negative repercussions, and even go as far as doing more harm than good when compared to the more experienced teams who have been forced to look at the bigger picture and put their own interests aside when called for. Rene and Dinah have shown that they are in the fight for themselves, Dinah for revenge and Rene to redeem himself in his own eyes, and Curtis is simply following them out of friendship, while Diggle, Felicity and Oliver understand that they have to hold themselves higher, that they can't let everything be about them, otherwise innocents can get hurt. What we are seeing is the former members acting like Oliver fresh out of the island, while Oliver has had 5 years to learn from his own actions.
they're making dinah like that so she can be killed off by oliver, and hopefully setting up laurel as black canary again :x
The only people I don't like from their group is Rene who keeps reminding us that they're doing their own thing. Dinah is completely justified.
DBMods You along with me are one of the few that doesnt care if she dies.
DBMods I have to say I do miss the old Quentin.
If Richard Dragon was to be the villain the entire time, then very good CW
he was supposed to be villain entire time.that's why we never saw him fight prior to last episode
SilversRayleigh427 -I think the point is that he isn’t a bad fighter he is downplaying his skill. He uses other people and makes himself appear weak because he doesn’t want anyone to know how powerful he is.
Killing is bad. We do not just execute people.
Huh? Huh! HUH?!
If the team of Supergirl said that I'd get it. But Arrow? Who the hell are you guys? Oliver has executed half the city lmao.
"His death was very conVINCEing"😂
I LOVED when Black Siren used a short burst Canary Cry to blow her handcuffs off. That was really cool. As for Vigilante, what if at some point towards the end of the episode, they show him come climbing out of a grave?? That'd be pretty dope.
Great episode and awesome editing in this reaction for the 50/50 poll and Eric turning his face red. Hilarious stuff
A Black Siren Flashback episode would probably also give us more Zoom, Reverb, and E2 Killer Frost.
Dragonis Prime I am all for that idea, let's do it!
I've been wanting more backstory about her as well. I would even find it interesting to see her actually turn evil on Earth 2. It could make her redemption arc more empathetic if we see the actual moment that changed her into Black Siren.
pretty good episode imo. so i was wrong..the way they had been building it up made it seem like it was a returning villain but Cayden's son was killed by Richard Dragon and Richard Dragon is indeed the true Big Bad for the season it seems..i hope they get into why he went after Cayden specifically and how he knew about him. reveal didnt have a strong impact on me though cause hes been in the background alot and i wasnt liking this interpretation because i felt he was being underutilized and the actor wasnt impressing me with the material he had but i thought the scene in the interrogation room with Cayden was definitely his strongest scene so far so maybe he impresses me more as he goes along for the rest of the season.
i was a bit annoyed by Willaim putting himself in danger but ultimately i did get it.. hes just a kid scared for his dad. speaking of sons and fathers, the flashbacks to Cayden and his son really made me kinda sympathetic towards him for the first time, Michael Emerson was great , i dont think i would have liked Cayden nearly as much just on performance if he was played by someone else.
also.. if Renee says " this doesnt change anything " one more time..im gonna get my own bow and arrow and shoot it into him through th tv.. hey dickhead, you're the reason this whole mess started, you dont get too throw jabs like that.
I agree. nicely said
William, I believe, was born 2007/ 2008 so he'd be at best 11 years old.
As for Dinah, I see it more as a return to how she was before she met up with Team Arrow, she was pretty dark and hellbent on killing the person who killed Vincent.
Ryan Witalison I see that too but she keeps harming lance and next episode she goes after felicity so I think oilver is going to have to put her down or she leaves it will get to that point
Thank you for bringing up that point about Dinah. They forgot that she was forced to sit and watch Vincent die TWICE.
Dinah is tarnishing the black canary mantle she is choosing vengeance over justice which is not what earth 1 laurel stood for I hope lance takes the mantle away from her she should be better then this I’m sorry but even earth 2 laurel is better then that she lost her love of her life admittley she did go down a dark path but so did Dinah but I grant laurel earth 2 she never seeked revenge or vengeance
@Ryan Witalison He was actually conceived in 2005 and born in 2006.
I'm getting sick of Rene's "this doesn't change anything" crap. And Dinah is going crazy.
The fact that the team is so pissed off at them for trying to figure out who betrayed them yet again this season. And it turns out that 2 of them did. Rene sold them out, and Dinah was hanging with Vigilante. That’s suspicious and betrayal. Curtis is pissed off for a stupid reason. Rene and Dinah betrayed the team but you taped into my phone for a day...I trust them over you.
What a joke. And Rene literally turned Oliver in to the feds, and he’s so pissed off at them for what??? Trusting him? That’s dumb writing.
Matt Innello Curtis is pissed because the team spied on him, despite the fact that last season he put trackers on Felicity to follow her around. It’s hypocritical.
I think Quentin was hypocritical in this episode. He tells Dinah no one ever deserves to die, BUT in the season 2 finale, when Laurel is kidnapped by Slade, het tells the Arrow to start killing again, was okay with Oliver killing Dahrk because he killed Laurel, BUT is NOW telling Dinah that no one deserves to die when it just so happens to be someone who looks like Laurel.
Ahsoka Rules I guess I would defend him by saying that he has grown as a person and a teammate since all that other stuff
Well, it really doesn't help his case when he just so happens to be defending some who looks like his daughter.
Ahsoka Rules I thought we already established that every cast member on this show is a hypocrite.
i think everyone is a hypocrite if it involves their loved ones.
Yeah so is Dinah she is a hypocritical bitch about Vince and her she was killing long before oilver found her and Vince was killing for cayden James when she said he worked his ass off to be good bull shit
I think Lance is being pretty damn creepy with the evil Laurel issue, he basically chained and kidnapped her to try and make her more like his daughter
Christian MH can u blame him though he didn’t want to but he had no choice but he sees good in her he wants to bring that good out in her
I agree evil laurel is a doppelganger of his daughter never liked that story plot because its stupid. He's trying to replace his dead daughter. He needs mental help at this point
Edgar Retana I didn’t like it either and I didn’t like the canary plot either with Dinah drake but they needed to bring laurel back some how why not do a doppelgänger story but I’m a laurel fan but can u can’t blame him he is sick of her making the wrong choices so he is going to help her by showing the good in her and what she can be and do only he can see the real good in her
I disagree with Canary having to be Laurel. Especially if "Laurel" is Black Siren. On s5 we had Oliver being extra picky over who could take the Black Canary's mantle and after all that, it'll go to a serial killer? No thank you, lol. E1 Laurel was better than that. We saw Sara struggle with all this already, we don't need that again. I agree that this storyline turns a creepy way. No matter what, Quentin needs to stop saying "there is part of my daughter in you" because ewww, no, there is not. This Laurel had her father and her boyfriend (Oliver) who died, this Laurel grew up a certain way, this Laurel was born on E2. She's not E1 Laurel and no matter how he "brainwashes her" with pictures and videos, it won't change that. They don't have the memories and shared experiences he had with Laurel. She DOES NOT WANT to be "E1 Laurel". I liked that Black Siren "claimed" her right to be herself (okay, redeem Black Siren if you want... but as Black Siren and not by compensating a writing mistake - killing Laurel - they made by trying and make us believe that she "is" the Laurel we had for four seasons). It really turned the end of the episode into some creepy kidnapping tbh... Quentin looked like a mad man. I don't like this storyline as they're writing it. To me they're twisting the Laurel/Quentin relationship we had on the show; when Black Siren called him "daddy" it irked me. It had nothing with the tender and soft way Laurel used to call him. It's really not because I'm "anti BS redemption", it's just the way they're doing it. It could have been done in a way less creepy way (for example I prefered how Oliver and Felicity tried to do so on s5, they were counting on Black Siren to reconciliate with *her own* past and try to become better because of it, they didn't try to change her!)
Why not they already gave it to a Serial Killer with Dinah Drake and she's been very quick to go back to the life as soon as thing did not go her way Siren might actually appreciate it and not actually want to let Quentin down buy ruining the legacy of his daughter the Black Canary Mantel as always been a family thing not something that get past around.
As for Quentin Abducting her he kinda has no choice in the matter can't take her to the police it would destroy his Laurels Legacy if what she has done gets out and Drake is on a war path no Police station or Hospital will keep her safe from her in her weakened state he has also said the he knows shes not his Laurel but he knows she can be better than what she is right now ( I think it's his way of seeking redemption for what he sees as failing his own Laurel by saving the Laurel that did not have anyone there to save her (Despite E1 Oliver saying that he would find a way.).
My favorite episode of Arrow all season the only problems were Dinah and the others
I’m so proud of Diggle because he didn’t puke when Barry ran them to Caden James
This season's villain got spoiled so badly. Before the season came out, they announced that the villain is Richard Dragon. This whole episode, I knew that Diaz was the person that edited the video because of it.
Well, I'm glad I never noticed that announcement :D
Random Person lol source.
nerdist.com/who-is-richard-dragon-breaking-down-arrows-latest-villain/
Also, I think that it was actually revealed somewhere that he was the big bad. At first, i thought it meant that Diaz would work together with Cayden, but during this episode, I realized that he was the big bad by himself. Also, if you think of the two other possible villains, it would be pretty obvious that they wouldn't be the main villain. Laurel and Anatoly definitely wouldn't become big villains.
Black Siren as an anti villain would be cool.
Hanna Bell i think you mean Anti hero
Wow Eric's face was so red XD
It's so strange that the guy who plays Dragon was also in one of my favorite shows, Band of Brothers. It's weird to see heroes in one franchise be villains. Kind of like when C. Thomas Howell was played Ponyboy in the Outsiders played a killer in Criminal Minds
I felt bad for Caden James the entire episode. Most villain you're supposed to hate, but I kept putting myself in his shoes. This was so emotional! I've never seen an Arrow episode that haunted me this much, except for when Laurel died. It's interesting that this season is about parenting and trying to be the best for your kids. Caden was in and out of his son's life, Oliver is trying to be the best father he can be for his son, and Lance is trying to turn Black Siren into his Laurel. So many feels this season!
Drinking game every time René says this doesn't change anything :D
I swear to god, if Rene says "just so you know, we're not a team" one more time...
I have no issue with the split, how it was done was a bit silly with how it was out of the blue so it could have been done better but I do think it's a change in the formula we've seen for so long now. What I don't like is how Rene has to remind everyone all the time. We get it all ready Whiny Dog.
I hope next episode or you know, soon, we'll get a:
Rene "but you know..."
Oliver and/or Diggle "yeah we know, it doesn't change anything"
To be fair, they didn't seem to give a fuck, on this episode, at least...
Do the writers even know they keep making him say the same thing over and over again?
It’s almost amusing that he keeps making the same comment and Oliver basically shrugs every time. Oliver could care less. He is too old and too grown to be playing these childish games with Rene. Every time the newbies speak they just show how much more mature OTA are than them.
I mean Rene has the nerve to say that every time they work with oliver, they get in trouble and that he is a death magnet, like Rene was living the quiet life of a librarian. Guess what buddy, you were in danger when you joined the military, you were in danger when you were running around alone as a wild stray. Oliver trained him, saved his life, he jumped off a bridge for him & he rewards that with betrayal & constant defensive complaining. I wish he would just understand that Oliver doesn’t want him back!
That confetti effect was incredible.
This episode was so good.
It's been confirmed that James Bamford is directing the finale so I can't wait!
So far, despite the rather depressing negativity, this season has had some pretty good moments, which I'm guessing is why the writers decided to take this course with this season. Was thrilled to see Oliver and Felicity finally getting married, showing people slowly filing back into his corner. The dynamic with William has changed dramatically since the beginning of the season, as in the past two episodes we've seen that he has really warmed up to Oliver, and based on the scenes in the tunnel and at the theater, he's proven that he's a pretty brave kid (gee, I wonder who he takes after).
Based on the lurch this episode left us in at the end and the three-week hiatus until the next episode, I'm pretty sure that this next one is going to be a real game changer.
Haven't watched the whole video yet but: don't you think Wild Dog is such a hypocrite? He is like: "You broke our trust Oliver, we can't be part of the team anymore." Yet he was the one who was going to testify against Oliver and didn't trust the team enough to tell them he had been approached by the FBI?
For those complaining that Richard Dragon was just in the background, here’s why.
The Dragon has come with a league length of a shadow blinding all those in his wake while he claims his treasure.
Pikes death was actually intended and not a throw away
To me honest, I still don't trust Alena. I shall not trust Alena. I agree with Eric. Stop trusting Alena!
Petition for "This doesn't change anything, hoss" to be an episode title.
Imagine how cool it would've been for Prometheus to be the one who uploaded the photo (delayed timer) and killed Owen. I was actually thinking that Cayden's son was Billy Malone (who changed his name because of his hacktivist father), based on how Cayden described the death. And you know how the CW shows have something from the last season triggering the events of this season? It would've made Chase's influence more long-lasting.
There’s no way Elena (helix girl) is innocent. There’s got to be a bigger reason to why they featured her in those flashbacks. She’s too convenient and they trust her too much.
What happens if Black Siren is redeemed? Does she stay on earth 1 & join the Arrow team & has a relationship with Lance? If she stays on earth 1 & is good it's basically like replacing the first Laurel lol where is this storyline going?
yes this was indeed the best episode of the season I hope within this next arc that we get flash backs for a Black siren
So what the hell happened with that black lady who swore she'd prove that Oliver queen was the arrow did she take a vacation or did I miss something?
Edgar Retana - she said she had to return to Washington but that she would be back for the trial. And since the city was on lockdown it makes sense that she wasn’t there.
Yeah plot twist when people were complaining about richard dragon not being the badass hes suppose to now here he goes
You realize that this episode was shot and probably written months ago right ?
Damn you. I was about to head to bed now o can’t resist staying up later.
I agree with you guys 100% about Dinah wanting revenge on laurel, and not dealing with the bomb. The only thing I can think of, is that she was right there when Vince died and could not do anything about it. She watched the whole thing pinned under that beam. So she feels regret and blames herself for not being able to stop that from happening...
I also think Vince (Vigilante) is still alive. A few episodes ago when Cayden James came up to Vigilante and showed him the video footage of Dinah and himself, and Dinah slapped him because he had been lying to her and she found out that Vince was working with Cayden James l....Vince said “don’t worry Dinah has a button that I know how to push”. I think she knew how upset she got the first time she thought he died, that he knew if he needed to save himself he could basically pretend like he was dead again, to get away from both Cayden and Dinah
This is what I want the finale to be: in the previous episode Laurel is fully redeemed and gives team arrow Richard dragons hideout, the outsiders also find out where Richard dragons hideout is. They both launch a full on assault on his base with the help of the police. Oliver finally makes his way to dragon, they have an intense battle where only barely come out on top. Then at the end dragon reveals he wanted both teams there so he could get Dinah to kill Laurel. Meanwhile Laurel and Dinah are forced to team up and fend off Richards forces, but Dinahs rage comes back to her and she attacks Laurel. Oliver finds them with Dinah about to kill Laurel, he desperately tries to convince Dinah not too but she won’t listen, she’s about to kill Laurel and Oliver is forced to shoot her with an arrow, killing her to save Laurel. In other words, fuck Dinah.
well that didn't happen...well the police thing did. i like your idea though
I completely agree on Dinah and the Split.
Who's this Richard dragon guy. Ever since he was first shown this season i never knew who he was I don't remember where we saw him before.
Arrow Team B is the new Felicity
William, Dinah, and Rene are just consistently annoying the hell out of me. Especially William this episode.
Sean Taylor this is really the only time this season William has annoyed me a bit but I get ..his mom died because of a bomb and his dad might have a similar fate ..he was just a scared kid. Dinah did get on my nerves but it's more understandable because like Cayden ,she was consumed by grief and beyond reason .
Renee though can go fuck himself with those snide remarks ..he is the one that messed this up ..he doesn't get to make jabs like that
Sean Dinah and Rene annoyed me more than William being stupid. I understood where William was coming from even if it was the dumbest of dumb moves. The last bomb he witness killed his mother. He scared to lose his father the same way and feels safe with him regardless he want to be with him in the same situation again.
If Renee had just said it once that's fine. But three times (at least) in three episodes is pushing it.
Taimur Muggo With William, I agree it was just this episode in particular that he super annoyed me. As an actor I just don't find the kid compelling unfortunately which doesn't help. Rene and Dinah have just been ridiculously annoying. Which is a shame because Rene had grown on me before this whole arc.
Sean Taylor I agree about the child actor ...I always find it awful complaining about kid actors but he just isn't very good unfortunately . When he was first introduced ,I didn't like Renee but then he grew on me more and more but now he's just being very petty
Rene's audacity is the only thing that is bothering me and making me look down on him. Everything else from every character is good and justified to me (Yes! even Dinah, Curtis, William and Lance). Quentin does seem to be getting a little... obsessed by the end,... let's hope he snaps out of it soon xD
MeiTanteixX Fr “this doesn’t change anything hoss”, “we are still doing our own thing” every single time they take their leave 1-3 times every episode. In fact he’s the last one that should be angry, like Rene is annoying
Next week Cayden James returns as a cyborg and he'll join team Arrow.
Oh no, I missed your reaction to episode 14 of Arrow. Is there any way I would be able to watch it???
i really hope william puts on a suit soon because i really want an actual child sidekick.
Yeah, team arrow knows it's not may yet. Everything ends in May for everyone.
E1 Laurel built the image of Black Canary based on high morals, saving people and helping Arrow. Since Dinah has stepped into the suit, she has completely ruined what Black Canary stood for - revenge over saving people? Give me a break...
Go Black Siren!
Caroline Cheng season 5 she did exactly that. Season 6 up until the mid-season also did that. Now they are ruining Dinah for the sake of a redemption arc which could include both of them. Also, Black Siren is a direct front to what E-1 Laurel stood for.
Same I said the exact same thing and laurel does get her redemption Dinah has done nothing but ruin the title and siren is suppose to be stronger then Dinah they seriously dialed her back for arrow laurel could bring buildings down and she took the flash down in seconds and her fighting skills were really good that is why I like her on flash at least they make her strong
As a person who enjoyed Richard Dragon pre-Flashpoint. I liked his bit in the Green Arrow comics only because Sorrentino did the art. But I do not like him as a villain. Prefer the wise master that teaches the Question and Batman. As well as having a partnership with Bronze Tiger and [at times] Lady Shiva.
Next episode better teach the three stooges a lesson. I'm getting sick of Rene's attitude, Dinah's selfishness, and Curtis siding with them for who knows what reason. Hate that I have to wait three weeks though.
The episode may be good, but this doesn't change anything, Hoss
Pretty good episode. One of the best of this season. I'm so glad this pure of a shit villain James is gone. The newbies are getting really annoying though,especially Dinah and wild dog
Panos Voukias I didn't know how others were feeling about Arrow B-team but they have been getting more and more annoying to me. It's a shame because I really liked Rene and Curtis. Now, Dinah I haven't cared for from the start but now I can't stand her!
Panos Voukias The newbies are annoying especially that shit Rene lol but yeah this epi was pretty good
so that was wally right because if that was barry did the arrow writers forget he was in metajail and couldn't have helped at this time
This was a great vid guys but jeez this was late at night. Better late than ever tho.
I was suprised that they killed off Cayden, it felt to early and to easy and I why could Vince heal from a bullet in the head but not a scream?
Elena is probably working with Dragon, she might become Felicity's nemesis. René should never be allowed back on the team. William is literally a Child he is allowed to do dumb reckless things especially with everything he's been thru and his father being who he is. It creeps me out when BS calls Quentin Daddy, I am not a fan of hers but in this BC vs BS fight I'm rooting for her. i think one of the Newbies will die this season.
Merima Tropoja you can’t come back from a destroyed brain
Part of me would love Alena to be evil if that meant she would be Felicity’s villain and she could actually have a storyline. But I also just want the poor girl to have a female friend after six years..
Amy Louise
I want Felicity to have a female friend too. But, I don't trust Alena. I feel like she's working with Dragon.
6:53 is that dude CGI?
Fuck did yall get HD or did my laptop just upgrade out of nowhere?
Thus was a great episode
I think the main problem with this season of Arrow is that most of the main plots doesn't involve the Arrow at all. The reason Cayden was coming for him was based on a lie (not to mention a carbon copy of the Prometheus storyline, replacing father with son), the way the team split is being written has Oliver not having any control over any of their actions (they are being portrayed as being wrong in all matters), the Black Siren redemption arch doesn't involve Oliver at all. I get that not all plots need to be about him, but this season, the only plot around Oliver is about his son (yawn!). Even his investigation by the FBI has been completely dropped and forgotten for the last several episodes. When was the last time we saw Diggle's family? When was the last time we saw Oliver having a real heart-to-heart with Thea? She just wakes up from a coma and that's it? no more mentions of that?
The fact that this episode was the best of the season but was still clearly flawed with some cringe worthy moments with William, Dinah and Rene is really troublesome. I'm glad this chapter is done so we can get to the apparently 'real' storyline.
A few episodes ago i wanted Laurel out of the picture, either killed or sent back to her earth, but now i just want Lance freaking dead. He's acting like a child trying to "save" this interdimensional murderer, but hey it's all good because she is her daugther's doppelganger.
You know, Dinah willing to let the city be destroyed just to kill Laurel is a complete 180 to what she was originally written out to be. William following his dad actually doesn't bother me as much as I'm sure it did to other people. I see it as he's desperate to stay with his only family he has left; good or bad. And if Cayden James hadn't woken up as fast he did, William would have the trigger away from him and Cayden wouldn't have any leverage left. That doesn't mean I want William to suit up though. That'll be a bad, horrible idea.
Huh. Guess I had more to say than I thought.
I think there setting up Oliver's kid to be a "Robin" like character. Like Damien Wayne. They always said Arrow is a Batman show. They have done everything else.
They keep show us how "Brave" he is. Like father like son.
That Flash cameo tho
I am unsure how you can not believe that people don't always react the smartest under this kind of emotion. Look at Cadin, he supposed to be a brilliant hacker, and he let his emotion cloud his judgement, with not only blowing up a city, missing that data in the video that it could be fake. People react differently, they always will. Till it happen to you, you can't say how you feel too.
Lance has lost his mind. The Newbies are being so annoying, Dinah choosing to fight BS over finding the bomb is stupid but her screaming at Lance, I wasn’t against it; dude has lost it.
Well. The only reason I tolerated this season so far was just because of how much I liked Michael Emerson.
So when is Rene leaving the show?? I will pop a champagne when that happens like Pagey did for Richard Dragon?
my biggest problem with this episode is that flash has time to just drop them off but not time to help them stop a bomb thats going to blow up a whole city?! WTF Barry. remember in vixen when a city was in danger from weather wizard and a big wave and firestorm flash and vixen went there. Well surely this is a similar situation! Flash could search the city or get all the people out of the city right? And obviously the team split stuff is stupid especially dianah.
Dat Flash cameo tho
DRAGON TIME BABY
Just a thought, I’m probably completely wrong.
Not gonna lie.....I thought it was Alena that killed his son
Ok this was by far the BEST episode of the season, gave some depth and backstory to Cayden, trying to humanize him before they kill him which was ok, they did it too late imo and should’ve started with that. Things happened in this episode that made you feel the whole Cayden arc was worth while even tho he wasn’t that good a villain. The manhunt for Diaz, Laurel, and Anatoli was great and made for great action, especially Dinah vs Laurel. And just the way they were all in that room together trying to figure out who did it, and the fight scenes that followed afterwards were just great. I think Diaz’s reveal would’ve meant way more if they had given him spotlight or anything to make us think of him before making him the big villain of the season, we’ll see tho he has a lot to prove. I see a change in direction with this twist and hopefully now the season will get better.
"this was by far the BEST episode of the season, "
Not saying much at all considering how fall this season has fallen compared to S5.
MRocky323 Yeah I agree it’s not saying much
I loved this episode and this season although it is not as good as season 5, it is still good IMO and the show has remained strong since its return in January. The only other shows that impressed me are Supergirl and BL. it is so refreshing to watch a show that is not filled with a bag of filler episodes and goofiness every week.
Reaction starts - 6:12
Dinah is starting to get annoying
Pissed that they killed Cayden James off just like that -_-. HE's the one built, not Diaz. I don't care much for Diaz to be honest, Cayden James? FUCKING AMAZING Villain & almost as good as Slade Wilson from Season 2. The actor also did an amazing job. What was the point from killing off the best villain of the season again? So yeah disappointing ending and now it's lost my interest. The only reason why I'll continue watching though is for Roy Harper's return & Laurel's redemption story. I'd rather Cayden stay as the Villain. Why change it and only build up Diaz for like a few episodes? Lol very silly imo.
So I start liking Felicity again after a long ass time then.. they make me hate Dinah... wtf
I love Arrow and I'll keep watching but I'm so over Dinah, Rene, and Curtis.
i fucking love you guys
So... Does this mean that we can finally start taking our villains seriously, because I never cared for the villain team. Black Siren is the only villain I have any sort of interest in, but her arc feels like it's gone on for a bit too long if they are going to have her be redeemed but that's just me. I never cared about Cayden and his motives, I feel like he would be a lot better had he been established before this season or something, idk, all I know is I'm totally cool with Dragon taking over, he actually feels like a threat
Hmm, Eric and Aaron really like the creepy getting the laurel back 'into' black siren ?? Lance now on the Criminal Minds story track.... sadly this season has hit a low in all the story arcs for me after Prometheus except the whole Oliver/Felicity story line being a bit more settled. Sad to see Michael Emerson leave but looking forward to his next show.
Why did they make Dinah like that ???
You guys should do a reaction of Fringe!
Am I the only one that thinks that Cayden James should have been the main villain . He was a much different villain when compared to all the other seasons .
Cayden did seem kinda unstoppable. I doubt cayden would've let his location be known when leaving the city for any other reason besides the plot. Cayden basically succeeded with his plan but was stopped by the writers.
Edgar Retana the one thing that I liked about him was that he actually never lost against Oliver and he also reminded me of the calculator ( Felicity 's Dad ) in a way
Not sure if Lance will be successful in turning siren good. But I'm really feeling that Lance doesn't make it to next season alive. I think it could go two ways. Lance tries and siren really is evil and kills Lance, cementing her villain status. Or he tries and maybe she seems like she could be good but dragon or someone else kills Lance and it pushes her to be better for him. I don't know. I just really feel like Lance isn't long for this world. I definitely could be wrong and hope I am, I like Lance.
Feels like agents of shield in terms of how this part of the season wrapped up
I actually disagree with you guys on the Dinah being mad about Vince being a worse plot thread than the trust/team split. She's lost Vince twice. BOTH times when she was unable to do anything about it. She was forced to watch her lover die twice. She's probably the most Chaotic Good character we've had on Team Arrow. Would I prefer her to act more rationally or for it to be a split decision like you said? Of course, but I don't actually have a problem with her actions. It's frustrating to watch her do it, but it's supposed to be frustrating watching this character we've gotten to know pissed off and irrationally lashing out at everyone and everything around her. The whole 'you don't trust me' reason for her to be so pissed was one of the most bullshit plot threads Arrow has ever done.
I think the writers are trying to make people hate Dinah because they're going to replace her with Laurel by the end of the season.
Ya I don't want her to die because they could do some great stuff with having both on the show or with one on a different show there both great characters that I enjoy seeing
Not gonna lie, I was laughing my ass off when Black Siren got shot. Just thinking of all the triggered fans seeing Laurel die a second time was too funny. (He says pretending he didn't cry like a bitch when the first Laurel died.)
Dinah is grieving. She will come back. Oliver will be able to reach her
She is just suffering for Vincent's murder. By the way, Siren is a damn psycho. She is evil. Lance has become a creep and needs to be hospitalised. Trying to brainwash some random person into act like his dead daughter
What a looney toon
The episode was great except Dinah drake
When you know exactly what artist drew Aaron's phone background:
dandonfuga.deviantart.com/art/Misty-616605005
If Rene does that "still not together" thing again I'll be pissed- it's getting irritating. At least him and Dinah aren't written as shitily as Felicity in Seasons 3 and 4