I am always a fan of a Grant Stone video! As a note for people considering the boot, the heel and counter skiving is in no way a cost-cutting measure. In fact, some of the most expensive boots in the space, like Edward Green, and Viberg, skive the heel in this way. It is largely a choice of aesthetic and fit. Outside of a few work boots that benefit from a bulbous, and uber stiff heel, this is uncommon, and not practical for this style of boot. I think a note or correction is in order, as these kinds of false claims mislead newbies getting their first boots and misrepresent the quality of a superb boot.
Come on nick, how could you let this be posted? Heel counter cover not being an extra layer on top of leather is NOT cost cutting at all, and is completely unnecessary on a boot like the diesel that is not built for work. Building it like the reviewer suggested would just make the boot unnecessarily bulky. I would take the cost cutting portion out because that is just untrue
What is actual cost cutting is requiring an additional counter cover so you can get away with selling unlined boots and saying that they “breathe better”and that’s why you don’t line them 🤷🏻♂️
I mean.... TECHNICALLY, there is a cost savings associated with doing it the way Grant Stone does vs other companies. But I agree, it's more of a quality of life thing rather than a "hey we're putting foam instead of cork to save money and fuck our customers over" kind of thing.
That leather is rather expensive so it is in fact true. They could have reduced the heel counter to compensate for the thickness and reduce how bulky it is. Neither way is really right or wrong since this is more of a fashion boot but more chromexel leather means more money. That’s the bottom line. Other companies do it. And so could they. But I don’t see it as a fault. This boot is designed to meet a certain clientele at a certain price point.
The heel counter panel is a non issue. Most shoes (even more expensive legacy brands) are made like that with the counter stitched to the quarter at the edges.
I have 5 pairs of Grant Stone’s so far, and all are extremely well built. Nothing but excellent quality, even with my one pair of “B stock” shoes. Great QC that’s definitely superior to all of my pairs of AEs or Alden’s.
@@carlitos366 The Traveler Penny is my favorite design b/c it’s so versatile, but my favorite pair that I own is probably the natural kangaroo Ottawa Boot. The natural kangaroo and Badalassi saddle tan leathers are my favorite.
They are definitely not cutting corners with the heel counter cover, there is a thick leather heel counter behind there and an additional layer of leather to cover the heel counter would make the heel look too bulky for the rest of the boot. They designed the boot this way for the look but that doesn’t take away from the durability at all. There are different boots for different purposes.
I just bought a pair of Diesel boots(Essex tan) in a sale. Just after a few days of wear they are breaking in nicely and are very comfortable. I had considered the Thursday Captain as the perfect boot for my feet. These are far better.
I have the bourbon suede diesel boot and absolutely love them and honestly wear them with jeans and also wear them in my office a lot. The suede is so nice and comfortable and is holding up really nicely. IMO not have a double layer counter is fine for this type of boot. The quality is up there with out better than other heritage boots I’ve had (Red Wing, Thursday, and even Alden).
I love my Diesels, you're right about the facings. For me they come a bit too close, my only con but that's my ankle/foot build. I don't really like dainite anyways, too slippery when surfaces get wet. The arch support is very good in these. My foot feels better when I switch back to my Stones after wearing other brands.
Well I'm an old timer and had a lot of different boots but I bought a pair of the Cap Toe green Kudu's from GS which are very similar to the diesel boot... The construction is top notch, let me repeat, top notch, the cleanest looking build of any of my other boots... As someone else said here, the leather is outstanding and thick, these boots are a little on the heavy side but they wear like iron.... Excellent pair of boots...! Very good review....!GG...IN
I have many boots from Redwing and Truman, the Grant Stones get the most compliments and I had no break in periods with them. I have the Chelsea in Roughout and 2 Brass boots. Don’t let the “Made in China” deter you from buying this boots. On the Chelsea I order the 11.5 and it fits like a glove. On the brass boots I did 11 and I’m glad I did. They fit perfectly regardless of what socks I wear. I wear them for 10 hrs a day on my feet with no discomfort.
Are the brass boots the most fashionable moc toe in your opinion? I'm leaning towards buying them, but I'm also worried about the creasing I've seen from well-worn pairs
I've owned a pair of the Diesel boots with the veg tanned uppers for more than a year now and they are excellent. Break-in was easy and painless, they still look good after a year of use, and they have had zero quality control issues. In fact, I like them so much I plan on getting a second pair soon with the CXL uppers. It should be noted that, along with my original pair of Diesel boots, I also have two pairs of Nick's boots, a pair of Oak Street Bootmakers Field Boots, and a pair of the ubiquitous Red Wing Iron Rangers, so I have some experience from which to judge the Grant Stones. Therefore, I can confidently recommend Grant Stone without reservation.
I was on the fence between these and some AE Higgins Mill but after a few reviews I am giving the Grant Stones a try. Just ordered them. I hope they look as a beautiful in person as they do online!
I have some AE HM’s in cordovan…I’m not very experimental at the price of cordovan but if these work for you please tell us?!? I’m curious if they’re REALLY that comparative to AE or Alden’s
Love my navy cxl Diesels! Very comfortable under foot from the start, good grip on the outsole over pavement (in my SoCal weather though). They’re good looking( yes, a bit more streamlined than other heritage brands)and they feel substantial too. I also have their Ottawa boot in natural kangaroo and it’s just gorgeous! Overall really good brand
I (Nick) personally don't love leather laces but glad you do! I have another pair of Grant Stone ones if you want them. I agree Grant Stones just feel so sturdy
Spot on review. I Pulled the trigger on the GS Diesel Boot in Dune a couple months ago. Quality was great, stitching was meticulous. Attention to detail was spot on. A few cons: cxl scratches so easily, just taking off my boots I had to be careful not scratch them with my nails while loosening the laces. I also had a hard time using the speed hooks with the waxed laces, especially with the last set. You either had to tie the boot tight which hurt your ankle during the break in process or the boot was too loose causing some heel slip. Maybe it’s just me, and my weird EEE sized foot. To me, it took several wears for it to be more comfortable. Overall, I like the boot, and I believe it was worth the $340 spent. Now, I am debating on the GS brass boot Moc toe Or the Redwing 875/1907
Heres the thing with made in China, if the company tells them to make it with whatever kind of materials and construction they'll do it. If you tell them to use top quality materials and assembled a certain way they'll do it. The thing is alot of companies tell them to make whatever at the cheapest cost possible so that's what they do. The American companies are still the ones to blame as their the ones telling them the make it on the cheap. Blame the company not the country of origin. That's one thing people don't understand, they see made in China and immediately think garbage, but that's not he case in some instances like this, the fact the company is based in China and they can watch over the production of their boots is amazing and them being made in China helps bring you a quality product at a pretty good price compared to other say USA made companies. First they don't have to pay employees high wages like here in the states, and they can probably get quality materials at a cheaper cost. Cheaper don't necessarily mean junk. Everyone thinks that USA means the best of the best and that couldn't be farther from the truth. (Talking about American customers here) it use to be but people don't have pride in their work like the used to here and it's sad and when you don find that American made and they do take pride in their work and it is an amazing product that means more $$$$$$$ and not just a little bit, take a wax canvas chore coat I've seen made in America ones sell as high as 6-700$ compared to other companies that also make great just as good products sell in the 150-250 range and be just as good of chore coat. I've never owned a pair of Grant stone boots but definitely going to get a pair after such good reviews I've seen by a few people I follow and tell the truth about products. Ps, I've seen better stuff come out of China over the past few years than stuff made here in the States, and that's no lie. It makes me angry that such poor work ethic and crap being produced here and charge a premium and it be junk
I have 5 pairs of Grand Stone and I’m extremely satisfied with every single pair. One thing I would like to clarify is that Grand stone does use a real piece of leather on the heel counter so it’s leather over leather and you can confirm that at one of Rose Anvil vids where he cut a pair for Diesel boots. I’m actually moving away from Red Wing & Alden and going full Grand Stone. I can care less they’re made in China, everything we use here in USA is practically made in China. This is a free market and I buy whatever I want with my money.
The whole "made in USA" is only national pride, which is fine. But non Americans don't really see USA as a prime producer of anything. It wasn't China that lured EU into 3 illegal wars either. So going out of your way to support the USA is not something I care about.
@@freddyfox5002USA isn’t a prime producer of anything?? You do realize that just about every component of this boot is produced in the USA, right? The boot is only put together in China.
That's worth it. I find it hard to really feel the difference between hard rubber soles like this, Dainite, Thursday's etc. I'm visiting Dainite's factory next year though so I'll get better at it I promise Roy
@@whereRbearsTeeth Thursday, Grant Stone, etc. they are all inferior boots that use inferior material, so you aren't really getting much for your money.
@@roybatty-seriously? You are clueless. Thursday and GS are literally leagues apart in build quality. Thursday boots are full of synthetic junk. GS uses high quality uppers from some of world’s best tanneries, veg tanned midsoles, veg tanned welts, veg tanned insoles, full grain leather heel counters, etc. Not to mention they have probably the best QC you will find from any boot maker.
Great follow up review. Yes the eyelets converge toward the top with mine too but using leather laces (instead of the waxed cotton) will remedy the lace slippage issue.
I was getting some slippage with only my left boot first 2 days with the saddle tan. They are now breaking in and there is less slippage but I would prefer the eyelets not to be so close.
Love my Diesel, however, was surprised to see that Grantstone decided to delete the pictures from my review which showed some loose stitching. Feels unnecessary effort to control the good QC image…something like this can always happen…
Is that true about their counter cover? If you removed it there would be a hole in the side of the boot? Rose Anvil cit one in half and it looked solid all around. Thanks for the review. I am awaiting my delivery of grant stone chukka kudo that I recently ordered.
This reviewer is completely wrong about the heel counter cover stuff. It is super normal for that portion to not be a separate layer. Much more expensive brands like Crockett and jones and Edward green does it the same way as GS. Why? Because they are not work boots, and they don’t need that extra layer of leather. If there was an extra layer, that part would look way better. The whole cost cutting part is complete misinformation
Also commenting that GS has excellent quality. Some of the first wingtips I've seen that don't screw up the wingtip bit in front and have it flapping around.
comparing Grant Stone to Alden is a bit ridiculous. I own the black GS diesel and the Turbulence Alden indy. The Grant Stone is far and away better constructed its not even close, cut through of both on Rose Anvil show this to be true. I would prefer it to be made in the states, but a much better boot.
I have two diesel boots now, dune and essex leather and I really like them. They aren't as comfortable as the AE Higgins Mill but they feel like there are really well made and solid. There is some pinching near the tongue for my boots and the bottom doesn't flex quite as well as some other boots. These are a great value and are just very well made boots. Love the wide sizes as I need a EEE. Wish they could come out with a service boot version with a cap toe (maybe brogue too) in wide sizes and some more leather varieties. Please do more videos like this! Alden Indy update next? Alden Jumper boots? Viberg service boot? can't wait for more content!
I had the same issue with Grant Stone. Beautifully made but just not very comfortable, which is a huge problem considering they're near $400. Higgins Mill is the king of comfort.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the throat of the boot - I've got a number of pairs of GS boots and never had any issues like you describe (closure, discomfort or laces coming off). Also doubt there's any cost-savings in what you're describing with the heel cover, and would guess they'd describe something more functional as the reason for their pattern. I'd never noticed what you're describing, but can't say it makes any difference at all in fit, feel or quality, at least in my experience. I have a pair of Ottawas that has at least 600 miles on them, and they've been fantastic. Every pair of my Grant Stones is as good or better than the best of my Aldens, which is pretty amazing.
Grant Stone, OSB, Truman etc. are all beautifully made and well-constructed, but there's just one problem: they're not COMFORTABLE. They're hard as a rock. I think these companies forget that a boot also has to be practical. This is why the Higgins Mill is king, for me. The comfort is out of this world.
If you can hold-out until Black Friday, Grant Stone offers a really sweet 25% off discount, but it only kicks in at $400+, so you basically have to buy two pairs. Still, that’s great value
I'm a old man and growing up everything was made in America, you didnt have to ask where they were made! Pants,shirts,shoes and cars,now it seems nothing is made here and just wait til these suppliers decide to stop selling to us .
I really enjoy my GS diesel boots, the only drawback to me is the small tongue but overall an amazing boot. Lately I've picked up a couple pairs of Parkhurst Allen boots and they compare to the GS but the tongue is much better and doesnt shift to one side like the GS and I feels the Parkhurst uses better outsoles but at the moment both brands are at the top of my list and will pick up more of both brands!
Thanks for this informative video! I wear a size 11 in nikes very comfortably. What do your recommend i do for overall sizing? And is there a good way to figure out the width i should order? Thanks in advance!
I got a pair and although they feel very comfortable and nice, the leather developed loose grain within one month. I noticed some other people having the same issue
What was the width size of the displayed crimson pair in this video? I'll guess E? My 8.5E in saddle tan is comfortable but quite roomy, and I'll be trying a D width next.
The cxl leather looks supple. I wonder if you have seen the snuff suede diesel one in person. Eyeing the suede one instead since I have a cxl boot from somewhere else.
Great well-rounded video. Appreciate the heel counter cap insight; Didn’t realize that about these boots, but good to know/ keep in mind when making purchasing decisions. Definitely agree that these (as well as other GS articles)are a great value for the money. On the weird angle of the boot shaft opening comment- I don’t have that issue, but then again, I have decent size ankles. I’d think that a set of kilties will fix the issue for anyone who encounters it. Perhaps, even a thicker pair of socks will suffice
People need to forget this concept that "made in China" means cheap. China has been in the manufacturing business for 40 years. They can make top quality products like Grant Stone or Apple or the they can make cheap stuff for Walmart. It completely depends on the OEM specification.
Hi man and thanks for a good and honest review, listing both positives and negatives in a frank manner, and I like your style of presenting. Question to all diesel wearers including the reviewer: what size do you wear vs your Brannock size and how much space do you have at the end of the boot past your toes? :)
Just saw another cobbler who did a video of a GS diesel boot resole. He showed that the boot has paper/synthetic material between the insole and the cork. Very disappointing. I was under the impression that GS didn’t use synthetic materials in their construction
That's Rose Anvil Video. The synthetic is around the steel shank to keep from squeaking and also the toe box to keep shape as noted by the expert cobbler. You're making it into something else altogether.
I'm interested in these boots, but living in Italy 🇮🇹 I've some doubts about my right size. I own 2 pairs of Wolverine 1000 mile in size 7US - D. What size would you suggest me for Grant Stone Diesel boots? Thanks a lot 🙏 🇮🇹.
Excellent informative video, thanks. Does anyone know how these compare to the Iron Rangers? There is a Red Wing store by my house so Ive seen those but have heard lots of positive things on these? Just wish I could try them on before buying. Old school here & didn't to play the shipping game w. GS unless they are def. worth it
Not sure if anyone is had a similar experience to me but I didn't have to pay any sales tax when i ordered from their website. I live in Cali btw which has very high sales tax. The price of the boot was all i had to pay and shipping was free!
Nice video! Just to let you know. I started a Grantstoneboots subreddit back in Feb 2023. We are just over 1100 active members and you should post your video's there. I would love to have ya. Trying to hit 1500 active members before the subreddit turns 1yo. Anyways, love to have you as part of the GS group if you're not already a member. Thanks!
There's nothing more American than venturing into China in the 90s (Merely a dozen years after the Cultural Revolution) and building a business here. As someone who's doing the same thing now, that was ballsy AF. I can't imagine what it was like three decades ago. That's the American spirit.
I’m for supporting domestic market when you can. With that said. It’s comical when people comment how everything from China is crap. They type this comment on a device that was made in China.
Finally a company willing to let Chinese manufacturing produce quality. Given the opportunity i find Chinese craftmanship high quality compared to the US.
Didn’t hear nick complain about the facings closing too tight, perhaps he should take his buddy to the gym with him and try to put some meat in those legs 😂
I know GS doesnt shy away from the Built in China thing, but many of us consumers do. These companies need to get smart and think to the future and do the right thing. I pay hundreds more to Truman, Nick's, Whites, Red Wing, and Parkhurst and feel good about it
These are not compelling for a couple reasons. 1. At that price, you find several other boots from manufacturers that make you feel a little better about the coin you're spending. I.e. fair pay for their workers, etc. 2. If they increase prices, then the appeal of a made in China boot at a high quality but reduced cost is diluted. But if they decrease prices, it becomes even more apparent that the worker in China is getting the short end of the stick in that deal.
2:41 "It actually feels like a point of pride. Wyatt's connection to owning slave labor was once through his father. But now Wyatt, too, can be proud of owning slave labor from marginalized religious prisoners and imprisoned political dissidents." Not the point you're trying to make, buddy.
You're so missing the point when it comes to talking about the made in China element. It's about exploitation. The Chinese can make great boots, but they deserve the same wage as an Italian or us citizen (for example) for the work being done.
I think most would rather give their business to an American worker. I have some guitars made in China that are exceptional. If the workers are paid the same, they would be so expensive no one would buy them therefore the factories would not exist.
These guys (Grant Stone) are kind of terrible at having common sizes in stock for their popular boots (including this one). Not a great way to run a business
But it's made in China! I can believe that it is quality. But I can't believe that sending my money to china is better than sending it to the US pacific northwest. Buy American. Let's face it, none of the boot fashionistas with 60 pairs in their closets need to save a few bucks by finding a factory that pays its workers less. The money spent in America continues to be spent in America and benefits us all. The money spent in china will support evil global domination and suppression of freedoms. And that's not hyperbole, it will all end up there even if the first recipients are good guys.
I am always a fan of a Grant Stone video! As a note for people considering the boot, the heel and counter skiving is in no way a cost-cutting measure. In fact, some of the most expensive boots in the space, like Edward Green, and Viberg, skive the heel in this way. It is largely a choice of aesthetic and fit. Outside of a few work boots that benefit from a bulbous, and uber stiff heel, this is uncommon, and not practical for this style of boot. I think a note or correction is in order, as these kinds of false claims mislead newbies getting their first boots and misrepresent the quality of a superb boot.
Come on nick, how could you let this be posted? Heel counter cover not being an extra layer on top of leather is NOT cost cutting at all, and is completely unnecessary on a boot like the diesel that is not built for work. Building it like the reviewer suggested would just make the boot unnecessarily bulky. I would take the cost cutting portion out because that is just untrue
I wonder if Thursday paid them to say that XD
@@ronwang86 lol 😂
What is actual cost cutting is requiring an additional counter cover so you can get away with selling unlined boots and saying that they “breathe better”and that’s why you don’t line them 🤷🏻♂️
I mean.... TECHNICALLY, there is a cost savings associated with doing it the way Grant Stone does vs other companies. But I agree, it's more of a quality of life thing rather than a "hey we're putting foam instead of cork to save money and fuck our customers over" kind of thing.
That leather is rather expensive so it is in fact true. They could have reduced the heel counter to compensate for the thickness and reduce how bulky it is. Neither way is really right or wrong since this is more of a fashion boot but more chromexel leather means more money. That’s the bottom line. Other companies do it. And so could they. But I don’t see it as a fault. This boot is designed to meet a certain clientele at a certain price point.
The heel counter panel is a non issue. Most shoes (even more expensive legacy brands) are made like that with the counter stitched to the quarter at the edges.
My only problem with it is that it’s only doubled stitched and the leather is thinner than the rest of the upper leather.
I have 5 pairs of Grant Stone’s so far, and all are extremely well built. Nothing but excellent quality, even with my one pair of “B stock” shoes. Great QC that’s definitely superior to all of my pairs of AEs or Alden’s.
What's ur favorite of theirs?
@@carlitos366 The Traveler Penny is my favorite design b/c it’s so versatile, but my favorite pair that I own is probably the natural kangaroo Ottawa Boot. The natural kangaroo and Badalassi saddle tan leathers are my favorite.
They are definitely not cutting corners with the heel counter cover, there is a thick leather heel counter behind there and an additional layer of leather to cover the heel counter would make the heel look too bulky for the rest of the boot. They designed the boot this way for the look but that doesn’t take away from the durability at all. There are different boots for different purposes.
I just bought a pair of Diesel boots(Essex tan) in a sale. Just after a few days of wear they are breaking in nicely and are very comfortable. I had considered the Thursday Captain as the perfect boot for my feet. These are far better.
I have the bourbon suede diesel boot and absolutely love them and honestly wear them with jeans and also wear them in my office a lot. The suede is so nice and comfortable and is holding up really nicely. IMO not have a double layer counter is fine for this type of boot. The quality is up there with out better than other heritage boots I’ve had (Red Wing, Thursday, and even Alden).
hard agree. i'm getting some storm kudu ones to wear hard this winter, leather sole be damned!
I love my Diesels, you're right about the facings. For me they come a bit too close, my only con but that's my ankle/foot build. I don't really like dainite anyways, too slippery when surfaces get wet. The arch support is very good in these. My foot feels better when I switch back to my Stones after wearing other brands.
Same here. I thought it was because my ankles were scrawny.
Well I'm an old timer and had a lot of different boots but I bought a pair of the Cap Toe green Kudu's from GS which are very similar to the diesel boot... The construction is top notch, let me repeat, top notch, the cleanest looking build of any of my other boots... As someone else said here, the leather is outstanding and thick, these boots are a little on the heavy side but they wear like iron.... Excellent pair of boots...! Very good review....!GG...IN
I have many boots from Redwing and Truman, the Grant Stones get the most compliments and I had no break in periods with them. I have the Chelsea in Roughout and 2 Brass boots. Don’t let the “Made in China” deter you from buying this boots. On the Chelsea I order the 11.5 and it fits like a glove. On the brass boots I did 11 and I’m glad I did. They fit perfectly regardless of what socks I wear. I wear them for 10 hrs a day on my feet with no discomfort.
Are the brass boots the most fashionable moc toe in your opinion? I'm leaning towards buying them, but I'm also worried about the creasing I've seen from well-worn pairs
Did you happen to have the Iron Rangers? Im wondering how these compare to them
I've owned a pair of the Diesel boots with the veg tanned uppers for more than a year now and they are excellent. Break-in was easy and painless, they still look good after a year of use, and they have had zero quality control issues. In fact, I like them so much I plan on getting a second pair soon with the CXL uppers. It should be noted that, along with my original pair of Diesel boots, I also have two pairs of Nick's boots, a pair of Oak Street Bootmakers Field Boots, and a pair of the ubiquitous Red Wing Iron Rangers, so I have some experience from which to judge the Grant Stones. Therefore, I can confidently recommend Grant Stone without reservation.
Good job. Really sold me. I think this" is " the front running boot in the 3-400 dollar price range. Can hardly go wrong.
Much needed update , u have been forgetting Grandstone a while !!
I was on the fence between these and some AE Higgins Mill but after a few reviews I am giving the Grant Stones a try. Just ordered them. I hope they look as a beautiful in person as they do online!
I have some AE HM’s in cordovan…I’m not very experimental at the price of cordovan but if these work for you please tell us?!? I’m curious if they’re REALLY that comparative to AE or Alden’s
This boot is a far better build than an AE.
Love my navy cxl Diesels! Very comfortable under foot from the start, good grip on the outsole over pavement (in my SoCal weather though). They’re good looking( yes, a bit more streamlined than other heritage brands)and they feel substantial too. I also have their Ottawa boot in natural kangaroo and it’s just gorgeous! Overall really good brand
Very awesome review….really like the rugged yet smart casual look of GS diesel! Thank You for a follow up renewed review
Great review, I love my Diesel's. They feel more substantial, I guess than my other boots. I did stick with the leather laces though in my Crimson's.
I (Nick) personally don't love leather laces but glad you do! I have another pair of Grant Stone ones if you want them. I agree Grant Stones just feel so sturdy
@@Stridewise that would be awesome. Just let me know where/how to pay for them please.
Don't mind me I'm just here for the Cartier at 0:15
Spot on review. I Pulled the trigger on the GS Diesel Boot in Dune a couple months ago. Quality was great, stitching was meticulous. Attention to detail was spot on. A few cons: cxl scratches so easily, just taking off my boots I had to be careful not scratch them with my nails while loosening the laces. I also had a hard time using the speed hooks with the waxed laces, especially with the last set. You either had to tie the boot tight which hurt your ankle during the break in process or the boot was too loose causing some heel slip. Maybe it’s just me, and my weird EEE sized foot. To me, it took several wears for it to be more comfortable. Overall, I like the boot, and I believe it was worth the $340 spent. Now, I am debating on the GS brass boot Moc toe
Or the Redwing 875/1907
Scratch up that chromexcel buddy! Let those boots patina. You can buff out the scratches anyways with a horse hair brush.
Replace the waxed cotton laces with leather laces to fix the slippage issue.
Heres the thing with made in China, if the company tells them to make it with whatever kind of materials and construction they'll do it. If you tell them to use top quality materials and assembled a certain way they'll do it. The thing is alot of companies tell them to make whatever at the cheapest cost possible so that's what they do. The American companies are still the ones to blame as their the ones telling them the make it on the cheap. Blame the company not the country of origin.
That's one thing people don't understand, they see made in China and immediately think garbage, but that's not he case in some instances like this, the fact the company is based in China and they can watch over the production of their boots is amazing and them being made in China helps bring you a quality product at a pretty good price compared to other say USA made companies. First they don't have to pay employees high wages like here in the states, and they can probably get quality materials at a cheaper cost. Cheaper don't necessarily mean junk. Everyone thinks that USA means the best of the best and that couldn't be farther from the truth. (Talking about American customers here) it use to be but people don't have pride in their work like the used to here and it's sad and when you don find that American made and they do take pride in their work and it is an amazing product that means more $$$$$$$ and not just a little bit, take a wax canvas chore coat I've seen made in America ones sell as high as 6-700$ compared to other companies that also make great just as good products sell in the 150-250 range and be just as good of chore coat.
I've never owned a pair of Grant stone boots but definitely going to get a pair after such good reviews I've seen by a few people I follow and tell the truth about products.
Ps, I've seen better stuff come out of China over the past few years than stuff made here in the States, and that's no lie. It makes me angry that such poor work ethic and crap being produced here and charge a premium and it be junk
I have 5 pairs of Grand Stone and I’m extremely satisfied with every single pair. One thing I would like to clarify is that Grand stone does use a real piece of leather on the heel counter so it’s leather over leather and you can confirm that at one of Rose Anvil vids where he cut a pair for Diesel boots. I’m actually moving away from Red Wing & Alden and going full Grand Stone. I can care less they’re made in China, everything we use here in USA is practically made in China. This is a free market and I buy whatever I want with my money.
The whole "made in USA" is only national pride, which is fine. But non Americans don't really see USA as a prime producer of anything. It wasn't China that lured EU into 3 illegal wars either. So going out of your way to support the USA is not something I care about.
@@freddyfox5002USA isn’t a prime producer of anything?? You do realize that just about every component of this boot is produced in the USA, right? The boot is only put together in China.
@@whereRbearsTeeth Europe produces superior leather
Pretty big strike not using an actual Dainite sole. The rubber they use on their sole probably costs pennies.
That's worth it. I find it hard to really feel the difference between hard rubber soles like this, Dainite, Thursday's etc. I'm visiting Dainite's factory next year though so I'll get better at it I promise Roy
@@Stridewise True, but then the price needs some adjusting in the downward direction😆
@@roybatty-it already is. You won’t find another boot at this price at this build quality.
@@whereRbearsTeeth Thursday, Grant Stone, etc. they are all inferior boots that use inferior material, so you aren't really getting much for your money.
@@roybatty-seriously? You are clueless. Thursday and GS are literally leagues apart in build quality. Thursday boots are full of synthetic junk. GS uses high quality uppers from some of world’s best tanneries, veg tanned midsoles, veg tanned welts, veg tanned insoles, full grain leather heel counters, etc. Not to mention they have probably the best QC you will find from any boot maker.
Just got my pair and they look amazing, and feel so smooth already
Great follow up review. Yes the eyelets converge toward the top with mine too but using leather laces (instead of the waxed cotton) will remedy the lace slippage issue.
I was getting some slippage with only my left boot first 2 days with the saddle tan. They are now breaking in and there is less slippage but I would prefer the eyelets not to be so close.
Nice review Troy! Well done.
finally a new boot review.
I'm always thinking of your needs, B!
Love my Diesel, however, was surprised to see that Grantstone decided to delete the pictures from my review which showed some loose stitching. Feels unnecessary effort to control the good QC image…something like this can always happen…
Is that true about their counter cover? If you removed it there would be a hole in the side of the boot? Rose Anvil cit one in half and it looked solid all around. Thanks for the review. I am awaiting my delivery of grant stone chukka kudo that I recently ordered.
This reviewer is completely wrong about the heel counter cover stuff. It is super normal for that portion to not be a separate layer. Much more expensive brands like Crockett and jones and Edward green does it the same way as GS. Why? Because they are not work boots, and they don’t need that extra layer of leather. If there was an extra layer, that part would look way better. The whole cost cutting part is complete misinformation
@@iftcar2950 Thanks for confirming, I was totally confused by that having seen RA's analysis of them as well.
Picked up a pair from them in Walnut CXL for $240. When they have a sale, you have to be quick on the trigger.
Also commenting that GS has excellent quality. Some of the first wingtips I've seen that don't screw up the wingtip bit in front and have it flapping around.
I wish the reviews would simply mention arch support each time. Would only take 30 seconds
I found the Grant Stones boots to be comfortable from the first wear
Interesting. They're the most uncomfortable boot in my collection. I have the Diesel in Earth color and they're hard as a rock.
comparing Grant Stone to Alden is a bit ridiculous. I own the black GS diesel and the Turbulence Alden indy. The Grant Stone is far and away better constructed its not even close, cut through of both on Rose Anvil show this to be true. I would prefer it to be made in the states, but a much better boot.
Great review and the boots look good on you. Good products can come from anywhere nowadays.
I have two diesel boots now, dune and essex leather and I really like them. They aren't as comfortable as the AE Higgins Mill but they feel like there are really well made and solid. There is some pinching near the tongue for my boots and the bottom doesn't flex quite as well as some other boots. These are a great value and are just very well made boots. Love the wide sizes as I need a EEE. Wish they could come out with a service boot version with a cap toe (maybe brogue too) in wide sizes and some more leather varieties. Please do more videos like this! Alden Indy update next? Alden Jumper boots? Viberg service boot? can't wait for more content!
I had the same issue with Grant Stone. Beautifully made but just not very comfortable, which is a huge problem considering they're near $400. Higgins Mill is the king of comfort.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the throat of the boot - I've got a number of pairs of GS boots and never had any issues like you describe (closure, discomfort or laces coming off). Also doubt there's any cost-savings in what you're describing with the heel cover, and would guess they'd describe something more functional as the reason for their pattern. I'd never noticed what you're describing, but can't say it makes any difference at all in fit, feel or quality, at least in my experience. I have a pair of Ottawas that has at least 600 miles on them, and they've been fantastic. Every pair of my Grant Stones is as good or better than the best of my Aldens, which is pretty amazing.
Grant stones 👍 The best mid price boots you can buy.
Grant Stone, OSB, Truman etc. are all beautifully made and well-constructed, but there's just one problem: they're not COMFORTABLE. They're hard as a rock. I think these companies forget that a boot also has to be practical.
This is why the Higgins Mill is king, for me. The comfort is out of this world.
Did you have any heel slip when you first got your diesels? Did it go away?
If you can hold-out until Black Friday, Grant Stone offers a really sweet 25% off discount, but it only kicks in at $400+, so you basically have to buy two pairs. Still, that’s great value
What’s the code?
@@jaggedice894They haven’t released their big sale yet, sign up for their email list:
@@jaggedice894 This Year the sale was only 20% off
Yup. I purchased. Thanks!
@@jaggedice894 Awesome, what did you get?
The fake Dainite soles are harder than Dainite? Zoinks! That's gotta be one stiff sole.
Great review, what are those pants though? They look fantastic with the boots.
Bravestar!
I'm a old man and growing up everything was made in America, you didnt have to ask where they were made! Pants,shirts,shoes and cars,now it seems nothing is made here and just wait til these suppliers decide to stop selling to us .
I really enjoy my GS diesel boots, the only drawback to me is the small tongue but overall an amazing boot. Lately I've picked up a couple pairs of Parkhurst Allen boots and they compare to the GS but the tongue is much better and doesnt shift to one side like the GS and I feels the Parkhurst uses better outsoles but at the moment both brands are at the top of my list and will pick up more of both brands!
Thanks for this informative video! I wear a size 11 in nikes very comfortably.
What do your recommend i do for overall sizing? And is there a good way to figure out the width i should order?
Thanks in advance!
I think 10.5 would probably be your fit, but get fitted on a brannock device to make sure - and subtract 0.5 from it
Would you wear these in the snow?
I got a pair and although they feel very comfortable and nice, the leather developed loose grain within one month. I noticed some other people having the same issue
Common with Cxl
What is your brannock and what size do you wear in these? Great review
Thanks! Order a half size down from your Brannock. I'm 11.5, actually my Brannock is more like 11.75 but I wear an 11 in these and most boot brands.
What pants are you wearing in this review (black with red selvedged trim)? Thank you.
You can get the Crimson in a cap toe from GS.
As much as I like GS boots, I will buy US made boots all day long
Love grant stone...honored to be 1000th like 😂
What was the width size of the displayed crimson pair in this video? I'll guess E?
My 8.5E in saddle tan is comfortable but quite roomy, and I'll be trying a D width next.
Great video guys, but I’ll have to stick with RedWing , nicks or whites.
The cxl leather looks supple. I wonder if you have seen the snuff suede diesel one in person. Eyeing the suede one instead since I have a cxl boot from somewhere else.
wouldn't you say its comparable would be the Higgins Mill?
Yeah that's a good comparison!
Great well-rounded video. Appreciate the heel counter cap insight; Didn’t realize that about these boots, but good to know/ keep in mind when making purchasing decisions. Definitely agree that these (as well as other GS articles)are a great value for the money.
On the weird angle of the boot shaft opening comment- I don’t have that issue, but then again, I have decent size ankles. I’d think that a set of kilties will fix the issue for anyone who encounters it. Perhaps, even a thicker pair of socks will suffice
His comments about the heel cap are complete BS.
People need to forget this concept that "made in China" means cheap. China has been in the manufacturing business for 40 years. They can make top quality products like Grant Stone or Apple or the they can make cheap stuff for Walmart. It completely depends on the OEM specification.
sadly, their one gap in half-sizes comes at my exact size (12.5.) still probably going to get a pair tho
Hi man and thanks for a good and honest review, listing both positives and negatives in a frank manner, and I like your style of presenting. Question to all diesel wearers including the reviewer: what size do you wear vs your Brannock size and how much space do you have at the end of the boot past your toes? :)
But how does it stack up to the captains? Show like a verse battle to me
Just saw another cobbler who did a video of a GS diesel boot resole. He showed that the boot has paper/synthetic material between the insole and the cork. Very disappointing. I was under the impression that GS didn’t use synthetic materials in their construction
That's Rose Anvil Video. The synthetic is around the steel shank to keep from squeaking and also the toe box to keep shape as noted by the expert cobbler. You're making it into something else altogether.
green-one is captivating
Nice sable black Bravestars
Where is a leather loop on boot’s back to aid in putting on boot?
Completely unnecessary and aesthetically undesirable.
I'm interested in these boots, but living in Italy 🇮🇹 I've some doubts about my right size. I own 2 pairs of Wolverine 1000 mile in size 7US - D.
What size would you suggest me for Grant Stone Diesel boots?
Thanks a lot 🙏 🇮🇹.
You'd be a 7D!
@@Stridewise thank you 🙏
Excellent informative video, thanks. Does anyone know how these compare to the Iron Rangers? There is a Red Wing store by my house so Ive seen those but have heard lots of positive things on these? Just wish I could try them on before buying. Old school here & didn't to play the shipping game w. GS unless they are def. worth it
The GS is a far better built boot. Two different leagues.
Does the heel counter pose an issue over time though?
No. This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Do these have a Gusseted tongue?
Looking at the photos on the Grant Stone website, I would have to say no.
1/4 of the tongue is gusseted
I think calling them Alden quality is an insult to Grant Stone
Can anyone recommend a resole-able walking boot that looks more like a jumper boot than a hiking boot or trainer. I usually do 15 -20 miles at a time.
Whst color are those
"crimson" cxl
Are those my Higgins Mill boots? I can’t tell the difference with the exception of the imitation Dainite soles.
Not sure if anyone is had a similar experience to me but I didn't have to pay any sales tax when i ordered from their website. I live in Cali btw which has very high sales tax. The price of the boot was all i had to pay and shipping was free!
Yeah they ship from the Midwest from an American company !
That’s weird. I just bought a pair and had to pay tax.
Can anyone pls advise how these size compared to Redwing Beckmans?
Same sizing
Nice video! Just to let you know. I started a Grantstoneboots subreddit back in Feb 2023. We are just over 1100 active members and you should post your video's there. I would love to have ya. Trying to hit 1500 active members before the subreddit turns 1yo. Anyways, love to have you as part of the GS group if you're not already a member. Thanks!
There's nothing more American than venturing into China in the 90s (Merely a dozen years after the Cultural Revolution) and building a business here. As someone who's doing the same thing now, that was ballsy AF. I can't imagine what it was like three decades ago. That's the American spirit.
You’re kidding, right??
I’m for supporting domestic market when you can. With that said. It’s comical when people comment how everything from China is crap. They type this comment on a device that was made in China.
I’m a 14 would 13 work lol?
Dont blame China for making them, blame the greed the USA has to make profit anywhere they can. Thats where anything cheap comes in.
Finally a company willing to let Chinese manufacturing produce quality. Given the opportunity i find Chinese craftmanship high quality compared to the US.
Let the china convo go already. China makes so many products you all use and have never said a word. Let it freaking go
wait, they only go up to size 13? thats too bad
Didn’t hear nick complain about the facings closing too tight, perhaps he should take his buddy to the gym with him and try to put some meat in those legs 😂
I know GS doesnt shy away from the Built in China thing, but many of us consumers do. These companies need to get smart and think to the future and do the right thing. I pay hundreds more to Truman, Nick's, Whites, Red Wing, and Parkhurst and feel good about it
Agree 100%
I’ll stick with my cordovan Allen Edmonds…
AE is crap
Con: the name. Diesel. It's cheesy. (I realize that doesn't matter at all. It's just a name, who cares? ... I find it to be cheesy though)
The first name Vin is bad enough...
@@cappy0023 it's all about family... 😎
wheres nick :(
I was right behind the camera! Should have danced around in the background
See..... Great boots but for the price you can't beat Thursdays
I wouldn't regard kangaroo leather as exotic, commonly used in footy boots
I think he has skinny ankles lol
sorry, made in china is nothing to be proud of. They look good, though
These are not compelling for a couple reasons. 1. At that price, you find several other boots from manufacturers that make you feel a little better about the coin you're spending. I.e. fair pay for their workers, etc. 2. If they increase prices, then the appeal of a made in China boot at a high quality but reduced cost is diluted. But if they decrease prices, it becomes even more apparent that the worker in China is getting the short end of the stick in that deal.
2:41 "It actually feels like a point of pride. Wyatt's connection to owning slave labor was once through his father. But now Wyatt, too, can be proud of owning slave labor from marginalized religious prisoners and imprisoned political dissidents."
Not the point you're trying to make, buddy.
You're so missing the point when it comes to talking about the made in China element. It's about exploitation. The Chinese can make great boots, but they deserve the same wage as an Italian or us citizen (for example) for the work being done.
I think most would rather give their business to an American worker. I have some guitars made in China that are exceptional. If the workers are paid the same, they would be so expensive no one would buy them therefore the factories would not exist.
Expensive for Chinese made.
They are cheap for how high quality are the materials and construction.
I see you don't know what you're talking about
Expensive for Chinese made? Yes, but better quality than other boots at this price point.
@@bassheadlife492 How much are the labourers paid in China? Do the wages justify the price?
@FLFBS PhatBoy Blue that's a question for Wyatt but apparently because you can't get build quality and that level of finishing any other way
the reviewer's tragic hairline made me not buy these boots
@@deepsix1827 My favorite kind of comment. Mean, but also confusing!
I will stick with my Thursday boots at $200 and made in Mexico . .
These guys (Grant Stone) are kind of terrible at having common sizes in stock for their popular boots (including this one). Not a great way to run a business
Every boot company is low on stock these days, leather and everything is low supplies
@@Stridewise Fair. Looks like a pretty good product. Just hard to get a hold of.
But it's made in China! I can believe that it is quality. But I can't believe that sending my money to china is better than sending it to the US pacific northwest. Buy American. Let's face it, none of the boot fashionistas with 60 pairs in their closets need to save a few bucks by finding a factory that pays its workers less. The money spent in America continues to be spent in America and benefits us all. The money spent in china will support evil global domination and suppression of freedoms. And that's not hyperbole, it will all end up there even if the first recipients are good guys.