Cassandra Caintrospective, Part 2-2 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, we continue the Cassandra Cain retrospective!
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Originally released July 1st, 2019.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: The Cassandra Caintrospective continues with the rest of Cassandra's solo series!
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That's why the major Batman villain who actually became a successful mobster as well as an interesting character is the Penguin. And that's because, well, he's the Penguin. He's one of the few Batman Rogues that actually works better as a organized crime boss than a supervillain.
rupert thorne was good mob boss in Batman the annimated series.
I'm generally fine with Black Mask. His kinda lameness is usually part of his schtick. He is way out of his league in Batmans rogue gallery and he keeps getting that proved to him. Whereas Penguin is often the focus in Penguins stories with Black Mask it is usually whoever he brings in that takes the spotlight. It's when they try and make his cool on his own that I think he sucks.
@@Hornetog9vp Yes, but he was a minor villain overall. And still just a thug when you get down to it, you see mob bosses like him all the time. Penguin really puts the villain with class trope to a whole new level.
@bigevilworldwide1 Sal Maroni was also just a thug with a lot of power. Two-face does have the mobster motif, but his origins and character make him much more interesting than a simple mob boss, like the Penguin does. Black Mask, despite all his accomplishments, still is just another thug who's only really thing going for him besides his mask is his penchent for torture. He doesn't have Two-faces tortured backstory and character or the Penguins sophistication and bird gimmick that makes him stand out. Out of all of them the Penguin is the most successful out of all of them. His operations survived No Man's Land, War Games, several power grabs by Black Mask and others, and he still always bounces back. Heck, he even still has a legitimate business with the Iceberg Lounge.
@Batman Fan Hello there!
For as much as I love, "The Batman," I can't deny they did Freeze dirty. There was no Nora. He was a common thief who fled into a cryo lab and got himself warped when he was cracking canisters open to try freezing Batman. No explanation for how he's smart enough to build his suit, no noble motivations, just a cold, dead heart that longed for wealth and power.
to be fair he still had alot going for him conceptually, if he had been a second Mr. freeze who stole the originals tech it'd flesh out his character a lot, he'd be the freeze who used the fast track to super powers and always takes the easy way out of everything, its what made the story where he cryo freezes himself to try and outlive the batman work so well, he has NOTHING he cares about outside of getting away with crimes because of powers he didn't even earn.
13:37 The Joker once went into one and actually gained temporary sanity and felt remorse for his actions, IIRC.
Yeah, Shiva *was* a hero. In her earliest appearances, back in the Bronze Age, in Richard Dragon's series, she worked with Richard and Ben "Bronze Tiger" Turner. She was more violent and blood-knight-y than them, but she was still a force for GOOD.
I'm not even kidding, that was the acronym for the organization they worked for. G.O.O.D. Global Organization of Organized Defense, but as they always said, what the initials stand for isn't important.
I love the Bronze Age. They'd do more complex characterization and deeper storytelling, but still unabashedly use characters and plot elements from the Silver Age without batting an eye. It was great. We need more of that in comics.
Sounds cool. Thanks for sharing
@laz kar Lady Shiva is more like "lets turn this badass character into a villain to make it interesting". although it makes me wish an alternate universe version of Lady Shiva based on her "blood knight daredevil but still good" self of the old days appeared and EVEN DEFEATED her current villain self
@laz kar Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon are villains too now.
@@balsasjekloca9308 Because we can't have nice things.
Unfortunately it seems like the Comics Industry is embracing the quote "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain."
I guess by those final words in the arc if Cassandra is going by her last name now, I guess one could say she's Citizen Cain?
I'll go sit in a corner now.
ahh relax we all have a few bad puns in us
charizardranger booooooooo Hahahahahaha.
Rosebud
The New 52 version of Nora....thanks for that reminder that I totally didn’t need. I kid, great retrospective
"Sometimes complaining to management is absolutely worth it."
Good, so I'm going to keep on complaining about the mess they made of Cass with Tynion's retcons. Heck, I'll make it a bargain complaint and throw in Steph and Azrael for free.
this is why i love Cassandra Cane she's one of my all time favorite batgirls before the higher ups ruined her character which is really sad because i love Cassandra Cane she's such a great character and a hero.
I never liked what the did to Deathstroke around Infinite Crisis, even going back to Identity Crisis. He was a guy who had actively avoided getting involved with other villains. Even in his original Titans run, he only took the Hive contract to fulfill his son Grant's debt. He wasn't even all that interested in revenge for his death. He wasn't the type to drop a chemical bomb on a city just for petty revenge.
Even in his earlier mercenary days, he had a code of honor where he seemed to choose to work for the lesser of two evils. He also refused to reveal a client when his son was under threat because he believe he was good enough to save him. He did save his life, just not his voice.
In reference to what’s to come, it’s says something about how much people cared Cassandra that when those things.. happened, the backlash was so intense, that basically every story even into the new 52 has been essentially one continuous apology for it, even symbolically. Every time they try to have Cassandra do something intense or out of character, it’s almost immediately retconned. People forget just how quickly they retconned the reason for her actions during one year later. (In comparison to most retcons)
Oh man, I am SO hyped for when you do the Stephanie Brown retrospective. I will build a time machine just to jump to the point in the future when I can *binge it all*
Just looked up New 52 Nora Fries. Yeah, not a fan. Takes away the tragedy of Victor and just turns him into another insane person.Also, while Lazara might not be the best way to go about it, I'm not opposed to the idea of Nora being cured but then twisted into a villain. To my knowledge, Nora's always been effectively just a prop to act as Victor's motivation, so this could be an interesting way to develop her as a character separate from him as well as develop Victor himself.
Yeah, I actually liked the idea of Lazara
@@eliburry-schnepp6012 Also, this idea could leave Mr. Freeze to let Batman arrest him for every thing Lazara could do, but Batman instead enlisting HIM to stop her and try to cure her. that would be interesting
Ian R. Nava Huber maybe have him become a hero
She was given a few words in Arkham Knight
@@DeathGodRiku I'm aware. Just saying that by and large, her role is a frozen motivator for Victor and not much else. Also, while that's a nice end to her and his story in the Arkham-verse, I feel like something needs to be done with her in other various continuities that are still ongoing to open up the door for new stories. There's only so much you can do with Victor as long as she stays frozen and sick.
I actually like the concept of Lazara. Instead of a literally fridged woman to be man pain for Victor she would be her own character. The consequences of Victor’s actions here could have been used so he’d take responsibility for her new condition, maybe even realize his inability to move on caused only suffering to others all to save one person dying of a terminal illness that others don’t have the luxury of a cryonics expert spouse. Plus with Nora as a walking Lazarus pit, she’d be a walking target for those wanting to cheat death, all while the whispers of graveyards torment her, unable to get herself any rest while the dead plead her to give them life. And that sure as hell is better than the Nu52’s abysmal retcon.
That’s a scratched surface of Lazara’s potential and I find it a little sad to see writers and readers didn’t feel the same way.
That tangent aside this retrospective is frickin awesome, can’t wait for more.
"a literally fridged woman" i said before and i'll say it again, there is nothing wrong with death and tragedy regardless if it is a woman or a men being a victim, nora wasn't "man pain" for Victor, she was the representation of a couple that froze and shatter, only leaving MR frezze in this world, the tragedy of MR frezze is a couple (fuck you new 52) that suffer a tragedy and can't move on (grieving widow for example), a cheap bootleg dark phoenix doesn't elevate any of those themes, is just embarassing and im happy they never continue with this idea.
ironically mr freeze wife actually came back recently and is now a villian again
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Oh my god, a tear coming from the inside of the eye. Finally! People never seem to get that right!
13:58 both are awful but The New 52s retcon sucks more because it’s takes away the complexities and interesting aspects of Mr.Freeze seen in even his worst adaptations and just turns him to a generic loon no different then Captain Cold without the morality this isn’t that much better because it’s just very dumb especially with all Victor had worked towards just to turn the Woman he loved so dearly into some monster but at least the sympathy remains intact and could’ve lead to a new story where Freeze tries to make her see that light even shift sides himself for a time but I’m getting ahead of myself
Edit:For those unaware The New 52 retconned Mr. Freezes origin and made it so Nora isn’t his wife but just a very sick woman he was simply infatuated with
But look, they had too, because...
Actually I can understand a lot of dumb stuff in the New-52 but that I can’t understand why they changed it.
N.obody Sevenhundred most of the first half of the new 52 in a nutshell why did they change that
@@BronzeBoy520 I think they changed it because they wanted to make him into more of a typical villain, the Batman TAS version of Mr Freeze typically works best when he's sympathetic.
If you ask me, they should've done the exact opposite, and turned him into an anithero and reluctant ally of Batman, as seen in Arkham video games.
shinobody that’s still awful because they just miss the point of Mr.Freezes character
Yeah had to look it up after he said it... Im going to have to say New 52 is worse.
This while bad has some possibilities, not a lot. Doesnt undo the thing that made him one of my favorite villains. 52 also makes it so there is some dark implications in him waking her up.
Like him losing it and killing her when she naturally gets freaked out by him... I can't say how they handled it but that would at least always be in the back of my mind reading something like that.
Why did they seem to go out of their way to make everything in the New 52 miserable?
Still mad about everything about War Games, Identity Crisis, and the resulting character assassinations.
Not to mention the crappy attitudes higher-ups had about Stephanie’s tenure as Robin, throwing Leslie Thompkin’s moral compass under a bus, and...well, Cass is going to be covered next time.
(also, undermining Catwoman’s character development in her own (really good actually) series by dragging her into the mindwipe nonsense. No wonder I bailed on DC and Marvel at that time)
completely agree on the mindwipe. god forbid selina actually be a good person deep down
That said, when we were kids one of my friends and I made up a sequel to Arkham City which included Victor unfreezing his wife and, well...
Nora: "You froze me, you freak!" *slaps Victor*
We were 9, and assuming Victor didn't ask Nora if she wanted to be frozen that reaction did actually make sense, okay?
Arkham Knight has a DLC mission that's kinda a more depressing version of that, with Freeze sacrificing everything to save her while she, having been awake in the ice like a coma and suddenly being awake, keeps yelling at him to let her die. At first she's angry at him and what his obsession has caused, but that soon turns into concern for him. The mission ends with her and Freeze sitting down, Freeze taking off his helmet as the two spend their last moments dying together.
@@nobody2996 It's depressing, but it is a fitting end for the two. They'd never be able to walk off in the sunset together and live happy lives, but at least they get to spend their final moments with who they love.
I mean... that's actually a pretty interesting take on the concept.
@@someonewhocommentsonyoutub3779 It's the good kind of depressing, but still depressing :D
Naw what makes sense is she goes on living her life and Fries turns into a spiteful robo spider head.
0:54 - *The problem with Bruce Wayne's Gotham gang war contingency,*
by Linkara.
Poor Cass, I hate it when writers do her wrong.
We'll see Ewan "Young Obi-Wan Kenobi" McGregor play The Black Mask in the upcoming Birds of Prey movie, which will also feature Cassandra Cain in her first film appearance.
8:19- Long story short, read "Batman: A Death in the Family", the storyline where Jason Todd's Robin dies.
3:40 Robin looks like if you changed the art style of the Teen Titans cartoon.
While I can see some things in here that could've led to Cassie's actions in One Year Later, the facts contradict that. She rejects all those things that could've led her on that path. She rejects all the terrible things that could've made her a villain in the end. She is loyal to the symbol above all else and what it stands for, not the Batman, but the Bat.
And they decided to forgo all that in favor of a stupid idea that does not then or now work, no matter how many people try to say otherwise. "Oh it gets fixed later, so it's okay now!" No, fuck you, a bad story does not become good because it gets fixed. Secret Empire and HydraCap still suck balls, they got fixed but they still suck.
I have tried to see defenses for what comes next, most of them from people who either didn't care about Cassie and only gave a shit about Tim Drake. All it is garbage and all of it sucks.
Here's to the next time when we finally lay to rest all the stupid BS that happened to Cass and how the fans stood by her all the same to get DC to fix what they broke. Linkara is right, sometimes complaining to management does work.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109 I have read the story... it's shit. And to clarify your stated point, fascism kinda sorta already has come to America and not cloaked in patriotism at all. The conceit of HydraCap is that NO ONE suspects Cap because he is inherently trusted. Meanwhile, every asshole fascist currently in power proudly and flagrantly flaunted their horrible shitty beliefs to the public. Cap himself wasn't elected, he seized power. The problem with HydraCap coming at the time it did was stupid and how it presented Fascism taking over America was even dumber. Because guess what? Stevil lied about who he was, Trump was honest about how horrible a human being he was. Every step of the way he shared who he was, what he wanted and touted his racist, sexist shitty personality. He didn't trick anyone, he appealed to shitty, horrible people and got help from a foreign nation of like minded shitty horrible people. So the analogy falls completely flat.
That's not what they said, they kept repeating, over and over, that this Steve was Steve. He wasn't mind-controlled, he wasn't from an alternate reality, he wasn't brainwashed, he was Steve. This was who he was and they came up with disgustingly offensive backstory to justify why it existed. Including a horribly provblematic part concerning how the Allies cheated to win World War 2 but also either didn't erase or actually outright created the Holocaust when they did so. That is so fucked up and horrible that they could do nothing BUT retract their bullshit shockvalue nonsense. Secret Empire is shit itself, meandering in a cul de sac plot, not including important plot details within the main series and using every opportunity it took to bad mouth, berate and shit on Carol Danvers as a character. They didn't even give her a chance to sock the fucking Fascist Steve in the face once for all the shit he put her through. Secret Empire is shit, and trust me, Linkara feels the same.
Fellas, is it gay to hallucinate your galpal bridal carrying you?
Oh boy, next part is gonna be a doozy. Time for full-on card-carrying gleeful super villain Cass...
I actually liked War Games and like Black Mask as a villain (Penguin can't be the only supervillain crime lord) BUT i absolutely understand where you're coming from with the reason you listed for not liking it.
it also lead to Stephanie Brown dying in a really bullshit manner and overall made her into a dumbass who caused a huge problem
Any time there is a Power Rangers reference in these videos, its a good video.
Hey did you know there's a crossover mini-series between Justice League and Power Rangers? From 2018? It's awesome!
And apparently, Pete Tomasi is going to be doing this exact thing with Mr. Freeze and Norah in Tec soon. Apparently, Lex Luthor will give Victor a cure for Norah, but with consquences, Also during Firestorm OYL Mr. Freeze shows up dating Killer Frost and mentions hiding from his crazy powered wife. Then it's never mentioned again. Given what ALSO happens "One Year Later" it isn't surprising that story is forgotten.
That "and beyond" comment at the end just reminded me that Adam Beechen also did the Batman Beyond comics and did by far the least interesting possible thing with Hush Beyond.
Also, New52 Nora Fries stinks! They took the most interesting and emotional villain origins in DC history... and removed everything that made it great. They turned Mr. Freeze into Kazran frigging Sardick, and at the very least, Sardick and Abigail had a real relationship.
2:16 - And then the Black Mask identity would end up being in the hands of the one person nobody would expect: Dr. Jeremiah Arkham, head of Arkham Asylum. And then the whole Black Mask would be retconned to ridiculousness.
"How fucking stupid are you?"
"I dunno, not stupid enough to open my front door without checking who's there in Gotham City while the Joker's loose and coming after my dad."
Gotham mob bosses off the top of my head: Roman Sionis (Black Mask), Oswald Cobblepot (the Penguin), Rupert Thorne, Arnold Stromwell, Salvatore Moroni, Carmine Falcone, Johnny Sabatino, The Ventriloquist & Scarface, and Sean Riley.
And meanwhile I only know who like 4 of those are myself. Though then again that's mainly because my exposure to DC (and Marvel for that matter) was always media /featuring/ the characters, not the original comics.
@@voicedubgaming2286 Sean Riley was the head of Gotham's Irish Mob, who attempted to create a union between the Irish and Italian crime families by marrying his daughter to Mafia scion Johnny Sabatino, one of Scarface's made men. Said daughter, Peyton Riley, would go on to (briefly) become the second Ventriloquist by taking over as Scarface's handler after Arnold Wesker died.
I'm enjoying this. Cassandra Cain had so much potential.
9:40 IT'S THE CIIIRCLE OF LIIIIFE
It’s actually kind of funny how DC Comics in general had already tried to make Nora Fries into a insane supervillain even before Nora had become “Mrs. Freeze” in the recent comics!!!😄
Ah, War Games, the reason I went from reading nearly all the Batman series at the time to none of them. And one of many, MANY reasons I no longer read DC comics in general. So... good job there, DC.
You're wrong, I only know Falcone and Maroni! I had no idea who Zouks was!....is that bad?
EDIT: MAYBE The Sionis family too but only technically because I know who Black Mask is.
I'm pretty sure I'd have no idea who Zuko was if 'The Batman' cartoon didn't namedrop him and actually give him a memorable personality.
Zucco. But yeah.
Plus a daughter surprisingly (though that was Scott Snyder's doing)
That outfit on Nyssa looks like Molotov Cocktease stole Mr Orpheus' cape.
It looks like what Dr. Strange's outfit would look like as a Halloween "Sexy Doctor Strange" costume.
Personally, I feel the Mafia villains are mostly interesting only really when it’s Batman’s early days or if you have a skilled writer, like what Christopher Nolan did making The Dark Knight more of a crime drama than a superhero story. I like to see the development of Gotham, from the Crime families to the Supervillains, but I do actually find a few quite interesting, though this might be due to my love of movies like the aforementioned Dark Knight, The Godfather, The Irishman or The Untouchables. This is one thing that I thought actually worked about the first season of Gotham and how the rest of that show developed. (I also don’t really read the comics, so take this with a grain of salt). Not to mention, villains like Black Mask, The Penguin, and Two-Face are often mobsters.
Here’s who I can name off my head:
Oswald Cobblepot
Salvatore Maroni
Carmine Falcone
Roman Sionis
The Ventriloquist
Rupert Thorne
Tony Zucco
Two Face (I count him as a mob boss)
Really? They had the Lazarus pit give someone superpowers and they didn't just give them energy beams and call them Laserus? Color me disappointed.
So sorry if it's been spammed but I did try to look for a previous comment... IIRC the Conner Kent name was part of Geoff John's soft reboot of the character in Teen Titans, which I'd guess hadn't happened yet as of that storyline
I HATED what Johns did with him. Took away all his personality to make him "generic angsty guy"
Man, wouldn't it be cool if the supposed Batgirl movie was about Cass, Stephanie, and Barbara?
The few issues where the three of them worked together were always my favorite
SO cool!
I think Cass is supposed to be in the Birds of Prey film.
@@l0stndamned That's what's been reported. Though I'm still uncertain it'll be a worthwhile portrayal. Yeah, past couple DC movies have been good and a friend told me Margot Robbie's a comics fan, but something tells me they'll lean towards her Orphan incarnation rather than the original (you know, the one that was developed with grace and nuance, and her life was about her?).
I would like to see a Batman story where the mob is a serious threat and major player, like, something that brings batman back down to street level, fighting regular criminals rather than supervillains or the likes. It's just that most supervillains (aside from Lex Luther) just seem so boring when compared to the villains we have in real life. Hech, nowadays half of Batman's rogues gallery hardly seem to qualify as full time villains anymore. A story where Poison Ivy conquers the world could easily have her as the protagonist trying to reverse the damage people have done to the environment, I mean sure the morality would be pretty grey, but I can see a lot of readers rooting for her.
Mr. Freeze is one of my favorite Batman villains thanks to the Animated series but there's an issue with the whole "wanting to save his wife", if she is saved Freeze can retire and stop being a villain, which is great, but if she dies or turns into a villain and is killed for it that means Freeze would just snap and become an even more vengeful and spiteful villain which is just putting the character in limbo, never being able to be in peace. Everyone is free to decide which they prefer but I always hated how in the latter seasons of Batman TAS he becomes a nihilistic ice cyborg, despite the fact that in "Batman: Sub-Zero" Nora Friess is saved and to this day I get choked up seeing that final scene of Victor Friess crying of joy knowing his wife was saved.
Hoo boy, we're gonna be getting some old style Linkara rage next time!
So, the question now is: is Lazara better or worse than what happened to Nora Fries in Detective Comics’ Year of the Villain issues?
Well, I started the second part first by accident, and the new glasses threw me off.
Oh crud you’re right. I can’t remember many mobsters outside of the aforementioned two.
I can’t for the life of me remember the one they used a lot in the Batman TAS.
Anyway, good stuff in the solo and now frustration will mount in the next part and hopefully Dan Dio will face a ghost who likes to Ride.😈
I didn't even know Tony Zuco was a mob boss. I thought he was just opportunistic dude with some lackeys.
"I can’t for the life of me remember the one they used a lot in the Batman TAS." the one who's partly responsible for what happened to clayface? i think he was called dagget or something.
Rupert Thorne?
ΝΙΚΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΣ BINGO! I can’t believe I forgot him.
@Kai Creech Yeah Tony was pulling a Protection Racket.
And @ali Roland Dagget was just a Business Man who was engaging in very suspect activities.
@@keiththompson9435
oh right, now i remember.
and thanks to the above comment, i now remember rupert thorne was a thing,
I would love to see a Stephanie brown retrospective, but to match the blue beetle retrospective, BOOSTER GOLD BAY BAY!
Man pre-War Games Gotham had so many organized crime groups that each gangs' territory must have amounted to about two city blocks at most lol. There were 3 different "5 mafia families of Gotham" back then on top of all the other Cartels, Mobs and Triads (not to mention the Super Villains who ran Mobs like Penguin and Scarface). I hate the war games storyline but it did make the Gotham underworld less bloated at least for a few years.
I'm an unusual person in that Stephanie Brown is my favorite character yet I still love War Games, it's probably my single favorite Batman Story-line.
I do care about Gotham's Mob, I'm often annoyed that that aspect is always overlooked for the flashy Arkham inmates.
'Bludhaven Gotham's much worse sister city' ... which makes the thing with Firebrand and that whole thing with No man's land 2 Bludhaven edition make some sense.
i like the new glasses.
War games AkA The Story where anyone tries to argue Bruce isn't a obsessive control freak who sees his allies, children as pawns... is proven horribly horribly wrong.
You've probably thought of this already, but here goes anyways: I'd love a "15 characters that got screwed" or something like it.
It doesn't have to be a end of the year list, and it doesn't have to have a set date even. It might be a good comic-quickies-esque thing, that you might be able to do a bit at a time and just give a slot to whenever the script is eventually ready, or when there's a delay and you need more time to finish the next one...
Just a thought.
You've echoed my thoughts on Black Mask perfectly. As far as Bat-Villains go, He's kind of a bore.
I guess deathstroke wants to "shake it off"
Lovely skits for an amazing retrospective! Excited to see the conclusion next week :D
So are we going to see the title credits change because of your new glasses?
The three I can name on the top of my head are falcone, maroni, and Rupert Thorne, my favourite.
Is it weird that, upon seeing your new glasses, my first thought was "Clark Kent?" They look good, though -- I'm glad losing your old pair down the pit of eternal doom got you to finally update your prescription. XD As for the comics -- well, those are some pretty wild ups and downs, huh? You've got horrible and boring storylines, amazing and thoughtful storylines, truly awful artwork, very solid artwork -- Cass ran the gamut in her solo series. I like how everything was developed -- how nasty comments like Barbara's had real consequences, how relationships changed, grew, and faltered as Cass learned more about herself and the people around her (particularly with Batman and his forays into BatDadDickery -- very satisfying to see him called out on these tendencies every so often), and how the Shiva thing more or less came full-circle. I'm sorry to hear that the next episode features poor Cassandra at her worst thanks to editorial mandate, but I'm glad there's a redemption in there too. And I look forward to the eventual talk on Stephanie Brown -- she seems like a pretty compelling character who got dicked around a lot too.
This series is seriously making me want to check out the comics. She sounds like a fascinating character.
Main organised crime families/bosses I remember are
Falcone their prominent use as you stated in media and stories
Maroni again prominent in some stories and used in movies and tv
Tony zuco
Penguin
Black mask
There's that mafia tree from long halloween but I doubt it was as easy to pull up on a whim back when the story dropped
Rupert Thorne
To anyone wondering "where have I heard of Ale Garza before?", he's the guy who pencilled the God awful Titans\Young Justice Graduation Day.
I'm really frustrated that we don't have the presence of these comics here in Finland as you do in the US. Cassandra is awesome!
I need to add this to my list of comics to buy. This is a really neat character!
Of course Cass looks weirded out with Tim saying she likes to watch. She'd be watching him with Conner and that's a whole lot of weird baggage she doesn't need in her life.
I CAN SEE A FEW SECONDS INTO THE FUTURE!
Keep doing good work man!
I am really liking the new glasses. It caught me off guard at first but I dig it.
I’m pretty certain everyone remembers Sal Maroni as the mob boss who turned Harvey Dent into Two-Face. He’s the the same guy who does it in every retelling of Two-Face’s origin I can think of besides the one in BTAS.
The people who developed Cassandra appear to have looked into how neglect affects development when creating her. She shares a lot of the traits that Genie and other "feral" children, having trouble learning to speak spoken language and being skilled at non verbal communication, for example.
What you said about what the next video will be about gave me a little goosebumps.
1:23 *ahem* I think you mean Dick Grayson, _aged twelve_
Please proceed.
Having her become Dr. Arthur Light pre-Identity Crisis WITH ALL THAT IMPLIES is roughly the only way they coulda screwed up everything about Nora and Victor Fries more than they did in the New 52. Jesus H. Christ in a tiny birch bark canoe. I can't even begin on that one, it's just.. terrible.
I hated what happened to Stephanie Brown. She was one of my favorite characters in the Bat books at the time along with Cassandra Cain. I actually started reading Robin because of her. And then...War Games. Grrrrrrr! Over a decade later and I'm STILL pissed off about what they did to Stephanie. And then what they've done with Cassandra... She can't even catch a break in movie form either! In the Birds of Prey movie they made her character into a pickpocket that swallows a diamond and has to shit it out or a bunch of Gotham City mobsters will kill her. Sigh. Being a comic fan is tough sometimes when the people in charge of these characters make such dumb decisions.
Re: Black Mask- true he did wear a mask (plus had his False Face Society) but by NML, the face seen in both War Games and Ed Brubaker's Catwoman run was a result of scarring
Let me sum this up in the words of the Spoony One: Ahem...
*BETRAYAL!!!!*
I felt that this whole Gotham gang war could have been avoided if Batman hadn’t fired Stephanie as robin for very petty reasons and learned how to be a better partner and teammate. That way, Stephanie would stay as the first robin for a while instead of just a few weeks. But I guess Batman only cares about Tim Drake being robin is better and Stephanie was more of a rebound.
I care about Gotham's mobs? The human element has always been the more interesting parts. As even when you remove the supervillains and the spooky cryptid there is still a large problem of poverty and corruption resulting is organized crime everywhere.
really loving this Cassandra cain retrospective. i really hope you do one on my favrate character one day x23 but considering your dislike of the xmen im not holding my breath. but i can dream
...where was it shown Linkara disliked the X-Men?
Considering the level of character assassination this has been building up to I'm quite intrigued, I hadn't heard of cassandra cain before this point, I had assumed this was going to be on batwoman, so this is all new to me. I'm really wondering what is going to be so bad that Linkara is so riled up about it.
Oh you poor, innocent child. We've only just begun.
I admit, I enjoy the fanservice.
I like Black Mask... When he's basically just evil J. Jonah Jameson. Which is rarely.
Just Dre So, just Jameson but less subtle and without any pretenses.
Love your work and I wish I said it more
Ravager can see a few seconds ahead hm? And a red eye? It's like an American version of Sasuke vs Rock Lee.
My first thought at that was Doppio.
Rock Lee is cool, man.
I know Linkara doesn't usually bother thinking about these sort of things, but if ever there was a cross over I really wonder who would win a fight Taskmaster or Cassandra, a guy who can perfectly mimic body movements and fighting styles just by watching them once vs a woman with no difinable fighting style who can read body language so well she can predict movements
@Gunblade007 I didn't know how to tie my shoes until just before I started Middle School. Mostly because whenever someone tried to show me how, they're hands and fingers were always in the way and kept me from seeing what they were doing. I didn't know how to do it until I sat myself down and thought it through until I had figured it out by myself.
I'm liking this retrospective
Clearly you never read Ed Brubaker's Catwoman nor the origianl pre-crisis stories regarding Black Mask.
Technically...isn't Penguin one of the mafia dons?
Question: since Cassandra's whole deal is being able to read a person's body movement like it's their own voice, shouldn't she have been able to tell that it was Bruce pretending to be the head mob guy?
Bruce wasn't pretending to be the head mob guy. Stephanie stole his plan and arranged a meeting of mob bosses under the mistaken belief that Matches Malone would show up, and the mobsters got nervous and started shooting each other when nobody knew who called the meeting.
Stephanie didn't know that Matches Malone was Bruce, and obviously Bruce didn't know about the meeting because Stephanie was trying to do this behind his back.
So Cassandra couldn't read the body language of Matches Malone because Bruce didn't use the alias of Malone in this story in the first place.
@@jonathancampbell5231 Oh. My mistake. never read the original story. The way Linkara structured the panel scans, I thought the Bruce was there as Malone during the fight and unmasked himself to Cassandra.
@@OmegaInfinityAlpha Nope. Those panels just depicted random mob guys. In fact I think that was after the meeting and they were in fact going to a school to kill kids (the children of rival mobsters).
And this was because Batman fired Stephanie as Robin for very stupid and petty reasons.
Also, good glasses. Very distinctive.
Steph was my first (and favorite) member of the bat family and I hate HATE war games
I hate how the Amazons were portrayed during the New 52
Good episode.
Well done video.
Ok I'm about to suggest something unfair but now I'm hoping Death Battle has Cassandra fight Alita (Battle Angel) at least on a character vs character basis.
In Jonah Hex volume 2 issue 70, Jonah had a similar “life flashback” that happened to Nightwing and Cassandra. For Jonah it was his old friend and fellow soldier, Jeb Turnbull.
And I eargerly await the epic Arc where Jeb comes back to life and is now Jonah’s greatest enemy, ‘The Handsome Hex’
N.obody Sevenhundred yepXD
Dead stage member, so she was a cast member if Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark?
Hopefully we get to DC Comics' Detective Comics (Rebirth) were Cass becomes a sorta friend sorta emotional support sorta mentor for a Clayface struggling with his own Mental Ilnesss and trying to redeem himself.
AND IN return Clayface helped Cass better than anyone else with her problems with speak ad read, by teaching her how to perform some of Shakespeare's plays.
And it was going fine, even when Clayface was rampaging, and Cass was able to stop him...
until Batwoman decided to shoot him....... Long Story
Honestly at this point why hasn’t anyone Patreon sponsored a review for Batman Annual (volume 2/The New 52 run) #1? Especially because people overlook the fact that it’s written by Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV. It would also raise some interesting debates here, on the other hand two otherwise VERY talented writers tried to fix something that wasn’t broken (seriously this and Cycle of Violence (Scarecrow’s retconned origin) is giving me Rob Zombie Halloween flashbacks) ,but on the other hand at least DC is actually COMMITTING to the reboot so this leads to a lot of confused, frustrating emotions