DC Comics Presents #26 (Cyborg, Starfire, and Raven) - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Secret Origins Month continues with the first appearances of Cyborg, Starfire, Raven, and the New Teen Titans!
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Originally released November 22nd, 2019.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Watch out, world! Here come the New Teen Titans! ...IN YOUR NIGHTMARES. - ตลก
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“Groot represents all of us. Every time we sit in a wooden chair, we become tree people as well “
starwarsnerd100
So THAT’S what a writer for a new 52 groot series would be like...
False equivalence, ahoy!
I love the smell of logical fallacies in the morning. A wooden chair is made from the dead remains of a living organism. You don't interact with it (unless you're Clint Eastwood hurr-hurr...). You can't order it to do things. It doesn't react. It doesn't act independently from your direct manipulation/control. It doesn't expand your perception, communication, or enhance other natural abilities of your body.
Geoff Johns was referring to a school of thinking that posits that modern cell phones are one of the last developments in technology before an actual cyborg state is reached. A threshold. A cell phone implanted into the body that can be controlled like one can control a muscle would be possible next step.
He didn't express it all that well, but there's a lot more to it.
my chair is leather, soooo i am not groot
"For all you know, I'm completely pantsless under the edge of the camera."
I mean...if you're going to let the cat crawl all over your lap, I wouldn't be.
Cue the song 'Cat Scratch Fever'...
Speaking as someone that's owned a cat before...yeah. At least wear some shorts.
jbiehlable Yep. Hugely underrated. Still surprised it didn’t get a DVD release
Yeah, might get a bit painful otherwise...especially if their claws are not trimmed...
@jbiehlable I remember that show!
Every interview about creating the Titans:
“We were working hard to create balanced, nuanced, and non-stereotypical characters who would play well against each other and have room for plot development.” -Marv Wolfman
“Bobs and vagine” -George Pérez
Apparently Geroge's mindset carried over to later years, explaining why things have gotten so bad as they are now. If only there was an online publisher whose mascot was a bee that Marv could've posted his work and not have to deal with idiots around him...
GaiaX5 What? George was and is great. He and Marv have been friends since forever and loved working with each other.
If you read the George Perez book published by TwoMorrows George had ZERO problems with drawing beautiful women, but he always tried to give each of them a fully developed personality and to make them unique in their own way. That's why I'm such a fan of his Wonder Woman tenure and for me, it remains THE BEST Post William Marston depiction, and in many ways, even BETTER!
It's true George Perez liked drawing attractive ladies, but nobody can deny his talent as an artist. Furthermore, he was a full co-creator of the Titans along with Marv Wolfman, so his input was part of the process as well.
@Blue Spaceman\I never said he wasn't. In my comment about Wolfman, I focused on his writing but he himself acknowledged George contributed to the plotting; it's just at the time, George wasn't yet ready, writing wise.
I like your avatar! Is that an image of LEADER DESSLOK from Starblazers that I've never seen before? Desslok is a screen name I've used before but couldn't for TH-cam, for some reason I can't recall! If that's him, he's a great character! th-cam.com/video/7bCr6sMLDvM/w-d-xo.html
Robin: Boy, that was a long nightmare. I could really use some breakfast.
Raven: Rejoice. We have waffles.
Rejoice shiro emiya!! For I have given you black keys for Christmas..... and waffles
Damnit, not when i´m drinking! *Wipes screen*
Trevor Anthony
Low hanging fruit.
I now imagine raven as woz
@@doggosho3044 "Rejoice! Those are the waffles that will rule the past and the future..."
An African American character made specifically to be an aversion of a stereotype sounds nice.
Indeed.
Especially when you’re writing a character who’s African American
Get used to that; cats will sit on the thing you're trying to use for the entire time you want to use it. They're psychic; they know the one thing they shouldn't do, and then they do it.
They're like Dr. Doom and Horns. They do as they please.
That explains how that cat winked at the camera in the last video.
They also love anything that is obviously different. If you put a single piece of paper on the floor, they will lie on it. If you draw a square on the floor, they will try to fit inside it. I don't know what it is about "separate area" but it draws them like a magnet. They also cannot stand to see two or more things stacked on one another, they must knock them to the floor. It is cat law.
Maybe that explains why when you're the most comfiest, relaxed and vulnerable, they sit in your lap and you suddenly get the urge to go to the bathroom.
Cyborg is fine, but I do get annoyed that he practically replaced the Martian Manhunter as one of the founding members in recent continuities instead of being part of the Titans.
Blake Tyson he has done that before. In the Justice league Doom animated movie his civilian identity is African American. And if I’m not wrong his civilian identity these days is African American just in general
It be like if Cyclops from X-men became a founding member of the Avengers after replacing Thor in a Marvel comics reboot.
@@grimmjowwsbane775 In fact General Swanwick from Man of Steel was supposed to he revealed as Martian Manhunter in Snyder's original Justice League script.
True but my point still stands that it would look really awkward if a prominent member of one team suddenly became a founding member of another well-known team.
I could be wrong, but wasn't The Doom Patrol Beast Boy's team?
So if i’m understanding this correctly, the personality balance between Donna, Kory, Raven and Dick, Victor and Garfield is like the Kirk, Spock, McCoy dynamic. Two extremes with a balanced middle character. That’s kinda neat.
Mitchell Cowan
Neat indeed.
I believe the name for that is a "Freudian Trio": Id, Ego, and Superego
Maybe it's because I grew up with the Teen Titans show in 2003 but I always saw that Starfire was a more frequent target of prejudice than Cyborg was especially when she talks about how demeaning it felt when Val-Yor calls her a "Troq" (which meant that she was nothing). Though they did make a few subtle jabs that Cyborg also dealt with such problems as this dialogue said:
Starfire: You know how it feels to be judged simply because of how you look?
Cyborg: Course I do... I'm part robot.
That's such a great line because it simultaneously has a deep meaning to it, while also being funny (the irony coming from how you expected him to say the one thing but he ended up saying the other thing)
That line is very well done because it effectively makes the point without being preachy.
Honestly I'm really getting sick of fantasy race racsim in stories it has a bad habit of further othering people these days and so much of media really fucks it up anymore. From RWBY turning the Black Panthers into the KKK to Star Vs the Forces of Evil portraying a oppresed group as litral monsters an then going "racsim is not bad, magic is." Too much foucus on mettaphore.
@@viraltang
You might have had a point if you had not messed up your examples.
1. The White Fang were a *terrorist group* that was meant to show that violence is bad, so you were just looking for the wrong moral there.
2. As much as I disliked the ending of Star vs., magic was *used to oppress* monsters, which was why is got destroyed. Also, having the monsters be "literal monsters" did not justify discrimination.
@@Bezaliel13 1The White Fang are right the Fanus are abused, oppresed, exploted, and segragated to the point where at a school that trained "protectors of peace" bulling them was seen as a-ok and no one stepping in to stop it. 2 Magic was not the problem racisim and those in power including Stars mom using it a means of oppression was. Also, no it did not justify discrimination but it was a little gross of the show of portaing an oppressed people as literal monsters. If Nefce wanted her show to have racal issues. Why not do it with Marco's family a Latino family living in fucking America?
Stop fucking othering minorities more then they already are.
12:10 to quote Markiplier: “Home is where the pants are not.”
I think this applies to most TH-camrs. Also do you remember what video that was from?
"And Kid Flash is here because shut up."
Because otherwise it would look like one of those bands with equal pairings of men and women?
D'ya think he was deliberately quoting Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged?
Amen & Amen. Screw the multiverse, Wally West is a Titan as well as a Leaguer. Double Duty
I don’t know MrGBH, probably.
He’s just there for the food
Everyone loves Marv Wolfman for creating the New Teen Titans, but let's not forget that he also created the best villain in comic history:
*BIG WHEEL*
He also created Black Cat too.
Terry Long the Original Author insert
@@rwg6357 honestly, terry wasn't that bad. the perez/wolfman run had way bigger issues than him, and funnily enough thorough the first part of that story (New Teen Titans vol 1) his and donna's relationship was the only one given any depth whatsoever
@@rwg6357 you've clearly never heard of The Divine comedy
The "Over there needs to take care of its own problems" joke will never not be funny.
@jbiehlable Ok boomer.
Just like Batman's dislike of rock and roll
Boomer will live!
I disagree, I think that joke has run it's course and needs to go "over there" and die.
New item for an Atop The Forth Wall drinking game: spot the kitty take a shot.
I got to meet George Perez recently in London. He is an absolutely wonderful person
Oh, no doubt - I just found those quotes hilarious.
@@AT4W I wrote that comment before finishing the video, I meant to cast no aspersions towards your opinion of him.
I actually wanted to mention something though. Ages ago I asked if you were planning on reviewing any more Uwe Boll movies and if Red Reaper could be it. Well, the reason was because George Perez was in it. When I met him I mentioned the film and he was so excited that someone actually knew of it that I just honestly didn't have the heart to tell him that I hated it.
He was such a nice, friendly guy. If you ever get the chance to meet him, you should (Please don't mention this story though)
He’s been having health issues recently, so hope that he gets better regardless of his character.
Raven messing with Wally's mind always struck me as REALLY disturbing, especially in light of the later retcons about his abusive and manipulative parents.
Martian Manhunter can turn into a black guy, so bam, person of color right there. But then again, he’s the only green man in an all-white cast.
Martian manhunter is great but I actually feel like the third season of young justice really shows how reworking cyborg to be related to the new gods can work really well and offers a lot of storytelling potential. Manhunter is great and can work as a black person to play on racial stories (also works if those stories are abstracted to where aliens stand in for racial minorities) but it is worth noting that A. Manhunter didn't grow up around human racial stereotypes or prejudices. He works best for an immigrant experience rather than a native one. B. Manhunter is a shapeshifter. Any racism he experiences is, on some level, voluntary. I don't think I need to explain how that can be some bad messaging.
Personally, I think the member who fits in the least among the main justice league cast is aquaman. Oh he's definitely badass and interesting and cool, it's just that he's aquatic royalty. I know wonder woman is also sometimes an amazonian leader but that's much less of a defining trait with her. Most of the rest of the justice league are either aliens are use technology (sometimes alien technology). Cyborg, with the new gods background, just works better but I wouldn't mind it if both cyborg and manhunter were on the justice league. No disrespect to aquaman, I just feel that his stories don't work as well with typical justice league stories and that he has less overall to do if the story isn't carefully made to give him something with water.
Basically, I just finished watching young justice season 3, thought it was awesome, and wanted to share some thoughts.
There's a layer of doubt about how much a shapeshifter can represent a gender, species or race. I think it can be done, but needs to be direct in how it's presented. Runaways did this idea really well with a skrull that was going through an identity crisis because of their constantly shifting gender.
+ClockworkKing In Young Justice, Martian Manhunter sounds vaguely African so I think he could work like that.
My issue with Cyborg in the JL is they ditched my boy Martian Manhunter in the line-up, why couldn't just have both of them?
Wasn’t popular enough and there would be too much cgi
@@thewitchdoctors749 true, but I was referring to the new 52 comics.
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΙΟΣ oh then I have no idea
@@emberfist8347 Modern problems require modern solutions.
Blake Tyson you do know his powers are shapeshifting right
I would totally be on board with cat bloopers at the end of every episode
What happened to you, Linkara? you used to be cool. When are you going to stop messing around with comics and release another episode of "The History of Headlamps"?
Linkara, if you’ve seen Titans, trust me, it’s best that Cyborg was on the Doom Patrol. Both shows may be dark, but Doom Patrol at least tries to be weirdly fun and creative in some areas. Heck, one of the villains explained his entire life story with a puppet show.
A PUPPET SHOW!
And I'm trying to remember if Silas dies in that, I remember the scene where he seemingly is killed, but the season ended so oddly I forgot entirely
ToHoldNothing Silas lived.
He was injured badly, but he survived and recovered.
@@Mask0fFate That's right, he was in the hospital bed and stuff afterwards
I am enjoying the brief visits from Catara.
The funny thing about Cyborg being shoe horned into the Justice League is that this isn't the first time this has happened. I think there is some show in the 80s about the Justice league and they had Cyborg on there too and Ronnie Raymond who was Firestorm at the time. Though, the show might as well have been about those two since the show basically focused on them alone
The Show in question was 'Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians'
Ernie Hudson from Ghostbusters voiced Cyborg there.
There was a Teen Titans cartoon planned at that time but it never happened. Robin wouldn't have been in it because he was already on Superfriends.
I remember watching that as a kid. The last episode had Clark "die" years before the Death of Superman saga in 1992
That was during the later seasons of the Superfriends (SuperFriends, it was written both ways). When they started the series with Darkseid as their opponent they got Cyborg and Firestorm.
Yup. That show was created to promote action figures (some of which were designed by Jack Kirby), and Cyborg was included because 1) they wanted to include a black character and 2) he was, presumably, more appealing as a toy than Black Lightning and John Stewart, who I think were DC's only other black superheroes at the time.
I will always love the 2003 Teen Titans Raven.
"Evil Doers beware..... We have WAFFLES...."
jbiehlable Yeah I thought you would say that.
@@SegaNintendoGuy64 Raven will always be my Favourite role from Tara Strong, especially for her Outstanding performance in Season 4 of TT.
I will always love the 2003 teen Titans series in general.
Same. Design, moments, performance by Tara Strong herself. She's one of my favorite characters in terms of animated superheroes and goth girls.
Considering how often Marvel and DC use characters to represent their entire universes at once, the DC Multiverse getting its own spot in Secret Origins Month makes a weird kind of sense.
It even technically is a character, thanks to the Events of "Access the Guardian" and "Amalgam". Both the entire Marvel and the DC-cosmos got represented by gigantic red and blue Knight-characters respectivly fighting each other.
@@EnerKaizer My point exactly.
""using a cell phone makes you a cyborg""
...
I don't have words for how much that stupidity enrages me.
Bthsr71 I think what Johns meant was that Cyborg was meant to be the ultimate representation of man’s growing interconnectedness with technology.
@@L1701still kinda stupid in its pretentiousness.
Nowadays if people would hear Beast Boy saying he's "Changeling" people would just think that he's a Brony with a shapeshifting bug-pony for an OC.
Fun fact: he spent a million dollars of his stepfather Steve Dayton's money on publicists to come up with the new name, and everyone still kept calling him Beast Boy.
So...Cyborg IS the token black guy.
And he runs on tokens.
It is a heavy mantle to bear.
Yep. At least his entire character doesn't revolve around being black, though.
That's certainly what he became.
More of a "Diversity Hire"
Teen Titans 2003 was my first exposure to the titans and the DC universe in general, Cyborg, Starfire, and Raven are my favorite titans overall. Starfire was funny and fun, Raven was brooding but interesting of a character, and there's only one thing to describe Cyborg....
BOO-YAH!!!!!!
Im glad im not the only one annoyed that cyborg was in the justice league movie because he was popular and black. Could've used a number of other heroes who weren't also members of a different team. Firestorm or vixen wouldve worked too.
He wasn't in the movie because of that. He was in the movie because he was a member of the Justice League comics at that time, and movies and comics like to keep up with each other as a marketing strategy.
@@Wol1427 and yet more people knew him from teen titans.
Hell, could've bad black ligntning in the justice league. Wouldn't have cost as much either.
Apparently in the original script, the main military guy from Men of Steel was going to be Martian Manhunter in disguise.
Jon Stewart and Cyborg would appeal to same age group too because the shows were on around the same time.
@@realrealwarpet He got a great arc in the the current season of Young Jutice. and his own tv show to boot!
While the “ dream is now a nightmare” thing is annoying, at least everyone is not emphasizing every other word, like in a Miller comic.
And makes for a hell of a Drinking Game, take a shot after each line about "Dreams becoming Nightmares".
WorldWar2freak94
“And NOW my DREAM has become A NIGHTMARE.”
1rhpsfan trying to out do the ‘Stephen king’ drinking game, I see?
Well THAT does not SURPRISE ME.
But EMPHASISING random WORDS is KINDA FUN.
Come on Silas, all you had to do was have a heart attack and the giant blob would’ve become a superhero !
“Garf,” a “Changeling” is a fairy child left behind in the place of an abducted human child. It isn’t a good name for you!
11:15 "Everyone else is acting fine, but it's like a part of his life has been blacked out."
Man, it's a good thing that DC hasn't revisited a concept like that and made it drag out in Dick's solo series for over a year... right?
You're talking about the "Ric Grayson" fiasco, right?
@@daelen.cclark Yep
@@comicking428
At least that got better over time.
I love how Marv was against a mystic character and now DC always makes him write any Raven centric story
Now I want to see bloopers where the cats continually interrupt you
While I disliked that Cyborg replaced Martian Manhunter for the New 52, I think the main problem was more that Cyborg never really clicked well with the rest of the team. He was a valuable member, certainly, but he was never friends with the JL members like he was with the Teen Titans. He always felt like the odd man out; the character the writer has to justify for why he's on the team.
When it comes to the seven iconic JL members (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter) I can easily describe their relationships to each other. They all feel like equals, just like Cyborg was equals with every member of the New Teen Titans. Heck, Hawkgirl in the current Scott Snyder series feels more at home on the JL than Cyborg did.
I don't agree with that that. He made good friends with Shazam. Mostly because they were both much younger that the other league members and rookie heroes.
I think it’s unfair to say Hal Jordan isn’t “iconic”. He’s the one who is most associated being a Green Lantern for decades, the one who basically started the new and expanded mythos of the lantern corps, the guy who was the star of all Lantern related books and generally being the longest tenured one. And I say this as a guy who first found out about Hal when I wanted to learn more about comics. John Stewart I grew up with as a kid thanks to the DCAU, but I always get angry when Hal gets the shaft from fans.
Why not split the difference. Let Hal be Green Lantern in his own books and have John be the one on the Justice league?
@@ceruleanwalker1069 Modern problems require modern solutions.
And most modern solutions are really horrible and stupid.
The thing is, comic books themselves are a niche audience - what's "iconic" is what the greater audience of the world knows, and by the time the Green Lantern movie came out, as far as the rest of the world knew, John Stewart was Green Lantern thanks to the animated series.
@@AT4W I'd actually make a counterpoint that Hal is still the "iconic" Green Lantern outside of comics (at least right now) since JL/JLU isn't the only incarnation of Green Lantern people know about. He's made appearances in shows like Super Friends, Batman: The Brave and the Bold (although there he's admittedly overshadowed by Guy) and most importantly he front lines Green Lantern: The Animated Series. I think it's enough for people to think that he's the "iconic" GL. (by the way looking at how all the other GLs got a lot of attention outside of comics barring Simon who's relatively new, it really becomes apparent how much they did Kyle dirty. STA was the most he got.)
To be fair...Cyborg appearing separate from the titans with the league is not unfounded. It happened during the later Superfriends era too
3 things Linkara will never get over: "Over There", "Batman Hates Rock", and "One More Day."
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Geoff Johns' reasoning for turning Cyborg into a founding member of the Justice League made no sense.
Johns said it awkwardly, but I think he meant that Cyborg was symbolic of humanity’s growing more interconnected to technology.
His work on green lantern was still good though.
You know, watching this review made me realize for all the spotlight Cyborg has gotten as of lately when he got the shaft so often early on, now Wally West, who was rising in popularity after becoming Flash and even being on the Justice League cartoon, is now the one getting the shaft what with him having been erased, then coming back to lose his kids and turned into a killer.
I just binged watched Teen Titans so this is perfect.
It was my dream to make a bet about dropping the title on every page... a dream that turned into a NIGHTMARE!
𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙉𝙄𝙂𝙃𝙏𝙈𝘼𝙍𝙀 𝘽𝙀𝘾𝙊𝙈𝙀𝙎 𝙍𝙀𝘼𝙇𝙄𝙏𝙔
Vic needs to get himself an agent and explain to the Justice League the Titans were hanging out with him before it was cool, or PR essential to have an African American on the team.
First appearance of the DC Comic Multiverse is flash 123.
8:17 DC Comics Presents.... wasn't just a DC anthology series, it was a "Superman teams up with other heroes who are not Batman" series plus backup stories of then lesser known or forgotten heroes of both Earths 1 (main universe) and 2 (Golden Age Trinity and JSA universe).
Reminder to people that DC stands for Detective Comics and saying DC *Comics* is redundant.
While technically true, it is also true the the company officially adopted the name DC Comics Inc. In 1977. So DC Comics is also technically correct, even though it actually comes out being Detective Comics Comics.
Maybe its an Inception thing. They're writing comics about writing Detective Comics.
I can give Raven a bit of a pass for manipulating Wally because she really didn't have much experience with human feelings and was building a team necessary to fight off Trigon. Needs of the many and all that.
2:41 feels like an “okay boomer” moment
Which is hilarious because Johns is firmly a Gen Xer.
Hal jordan is too iconic to replace with someone like john stewart!!
Martian manhunter: and yet i am not....... I see how it is }:\
Anything not nailed down is a Cat Toy.
11:20 kitty! All we need is Nash and Grady and we're set. Crossover 2020
Damn, Linkara is out swinging for everyone right now. I like it.
Yeah, I really hate that they didn't just do John Stewart for the Justice League's Green Lantern. Especially with the cartoon which a lot of people had watched. Personally, Hal was never the iconic Green Lantern for me. I only knew him as a kid in Justice League Year One. So while I knew he was the first Green Lantern in the Justice League, I followed Kyle Rayner as the Green Lantern in comics and liked him more. Same with John Stewart in the cartoons.
"Its sad when peoples rebranding fails so utterly."
*Cough* 90sMan *cough*
Im sorry its force of habit to call him kid!! I still love him lol!!
Your cat wants to proofread your script, obviously!
its so surreal seeing Cyborg being so... not grouchy, that's pretty consistent, but almost MEAN towards Raven. its honestly unthinkable, considering that he's effectively the heart of the Titans in a lot of modern interpretations. (Also his cyber parts being a suit of sorts.)
So, the cat is probably sitting on the script because you aren't paying enough attention to her. Same sort of thing happens with my rabbits.
Of course that cat was going to get involved with this review; you kept saying her name.
Good point. XD
If I recall correctly, Wolfman actively didn't want Kid Flash on the team, as he considered the character overpowered. Which is why Wally left the team during the Judas Contract. I haven't heard exactly why, then, Wolfman put him on the team in the first place.
And here at the cover of this review is anime Aquaman in bed with 2 other men *the ambiguously gay trio*
Every time this era of the Titans comes up, I have to recommend the crossover with Batman & The Outsiders. It's one of my favorite Bruce/Dick storylines and actually handles things so much better and maturely than later writers who kept rehashing it to add conflict that just wasn't there the first time around.
As to the secret identity thing, that was one thing Wolfman/Perez were pretty bad about. They were always using real names and it seemed all the major villains learned who Dick was. Why this never got traced back to Batman was never really addressed.
the blob was turning the oxygen into methane.
Was- was it farting????
Oof. That Wally West credit stinger hurt. Too soon. Too soon.
Why was he brought back again?
Cyborgs a titan for life more then a justice league member. He and beast boy were the best friendship in any media ever.
Look Lewis... Geoff thinks that Dawn Granger is only the best Heroine when she's a unlikable psychopath whose incapable of admitting fault. He kinda has a Weird view of Reality
He also insists that Barry Allen is a good character
It might be just because I love the Titans, but this might be one of my favorite Origins reviews by Linkara ever. :)
10:18 Yeah, I listen to a Teen Titans podcast and the hosts are not fans of how horny Changeling is portrayed.
So when does Cyborg start singing about his love of meatballs and pie?
I just imagine Beastboy pranking people with meatballs now and Cyborg giggling like Stanley.
Omg I actually have this comic and didn’t know that it was their first appearance
"And Kid Flash was there because shut up."
This seems to describe Kid Flash in a lot of his appearances.
Linkara’s cat cameos are so adorable
Looking back it's amazing how much Geoff Johns screwed over Cyborg.
Hoping in a later episode we see Linkara get up and he’s not wearing pants. Would be a great throwback joke.
When I’m watching this all I’m thinking about every time Lewis says “nightmare” I keep thinking of the show Inhumanoids.
This was not Cyborgs fist time on the JLA. In 1985 he was added to last season of the Superfriends. For the Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians. He and Firestorm were added to replace two of the show only characters. Dc had made a deal with Kenner (I believe) for toys. And HB was trying gear the show to fit.
I'm really glad Cyborg's a Titan again.
take a shot every time you hear dream or nightmare.
"If we have a cellphone and we're texting on it, we are a cyborg. That's what a cyborg is, using technology as an extension of ourselves."
UM, NO IT ISN'T. Being a cyborg is using technology as a REPLACEMENT of ourselves; technology INTEGRATED into the human form to perform a vital function they couldn't do otherwise, such as a limb prosthesis or pacemaker. What was this guy on when he made that statement?
Where do dreams end and nightmares begin?
"Usually when TH-cam announces they're changing something"
ZING!!!
Considering how much they're doing to "Dreams to nightmares" line, It's kinda like they were trying to foreshadow The "Nightmare Knights."
I'm thoroughly convinced linkara records all these episodes without wearing pants!
Nicely done, Linkara! Even when you stood up at 21:20, you filmed it in a way that we COULDN'T tell if you were wearing pants or not. Truly you are the master of suspense! Now I have to anxiously wait until you solve the mystery of "pants or no pants" in a story bit.
Just had lunch and finished cleaning my home, only to see a new AT4W? It's a good day today~~
Victor Stone/Cyborg is in the Justice League as a replacement for J'onn J'onzz/John Jones/Martian Manhunter because they needed black representation. Why not make Martian Manhunter's human civilian identity John Jones black like some animated films?
1:51 Really expected him to cut to a picture of Wally here.
i am glad i am not the only one who feels cyborg should've stayed on the teen titans
@Trevor Anthony i can understand that but for me personally as a huge fan of the justice league and teen titans if they wanted to have cyborg be on the justice league that's fine but not as a founding member have him be a teen titan first like he's supposed to be then you can upgrade him to the big leagues naturally not rushed him to be a founding member like the new 52 did but that's just my opinion.
@Trevor Anthony i can understand that
Linkara description: Noted reviewer of lamps, was never bigger than the bee gees.
Sidemote: Also talked about comics I guess.
29:00 - 30:00 -- Give her One-One to give to the Conductor, then she'll leave you alone.
Bizarre question, but what are you gonna do about COPPA.?
I much prefer Cyborg being built by his dad as opposed to using a mother box like the new version seems to do. Because, you know.... that's fucking stupid and a massive security risk.
Cyborg on Doom Patrol was awesome.
5:05 Sounds about right lol.
I remember when Cyborg was a member of the Super Powers team early 80’s version of the Justice League.
"We need to put a Black character in and we're gonna use Hal, so obviously we have to go with Cyborg."
*Jefferson Pierce enters the chat*
Honestly, I think Johns used Cyborg because he was on The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians. He's a slave to childhood nostalgia.
Thank you to the genius that is Wayne giving us my favorite character that is Rachel Roth aka Raven. I love her sm.
If I were rebooting the Justice League:
Batman, Flash, Superman - White(ish) Male
Wonder Woman - Greek Female (Olive skin not white)
Green Lantern Stewart - Black Male
Hawkgirl - Latina
Martian Manhunter - No Human Analogue. But I would opt for a Chinese Male disguise
Alternately, I'd keep Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Superman, and Wonder Woman, and introduce two entirely new characters.
Titans are in trouble. Nothing moves the Blob.
16:26 Well, wiki claims: "She also doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep and doesn't require an atmosphere to breathe, though she has to if she is low on ultraviolet energy." That raises some questions, since the 80s Titan run certainly showed her eating, drinking, and sleeping (including that "morning after" bedroom scene with Dick that caused such a kerfuffle) - but I can also recall her flying in space without a vac-suit on, so - maybe it's optional? Other supers eat and drink and sleep more out of habit than anything, nothing new there.
I’d kill to see static shocked in any new show or movie