Fun fact: The Rafale is the only non US plane that can land and take off from US carriers without any special preparation for either. This more than anything comes down to the fact that France is the only other country that has a carrier with a catapult rather than a ski jump.
For my money, this is one of the best -looking fast jets out there. The curves between the nose and the intakes are very unique and just look terrific.
Tbh if you look more into it you'll find that it's mainly a Dassault thing and the Dassault family got a lot of power and see their corruption regularly surface just to end some magistrates and policeman careers. Well as you can see actualy on the news, corruption, is pretty common.
The French Navy has edited some nice footage from Rafale Marine with cool music, it's called Chillout on their channel Chasse Embarquée. A nice moment for air enthusiastic people. Thx for the vid Matsimus!
@@dogdog2257 actually if you want to see how good the eurofighter became the best example was the raf models with the fgr4 and later the fgr5. Unfortunately though decent the Germany fighters are massively underdeveloped and underfunded due to lack of will to fund it by the German government.
Dude I'm highly impressed by the accuracy you deliver across a wide range of subjects. I used to work on A-10's and you nailed that video. No need to disclaim you're not an expert, you're incredibly knowledgeable!
Interesting fact : Dassault and the French Army qualified the Rafale as an Omnirole aircraft meaning that it can switch its air superiority mission to an air to ground strike mission without having to go back to base.
@@Aaron-wq3jz well the f-18 is a multirole aircraft so yes but it is not exactly the same as the rafale. Omnirole really means that it can do everything at the same time and that it can do it as well as an aircraft built to only be a bomber or a fighter. To sumarize the f-18 is a good multirole and the rafale is a good air superiority fighter, multirole, bomber, reconnaissance aircraft and strategic bomber.
@@gabilax2745 I would not call the Rafale a strategic bomber. It lacks the range and the payload to fly deep into enemy territory and deliver strategic strikes. Strategic bombers are B1-B, B52 and B2 - all have at least 30,000 kilos payload and ranges of above 10,000 kilometers. Rafale is a great tactical bomber. As to reconaissance, the current damocles pod limits it a bit.
@@Sedna063 it is strategic in the french doctrine as it is qualified to shot with ASMP missile (which replace Mirage 2000N) . they belong to the FAS "forces aeriennes strategiques" older stratgic bombers are now quite useless
@Kanwer Vikram There have been at least 2 assessments (with simulated combat) between the F-15, the Eurofighter, and the Rafale. In South Korea (2002). The Rafale finishes 1st of the evaluations. For political reasons (and also the decline of the dollar against the euro that year), Korea did not choose the Rafale ... New duel (F-15, Eurofighter, Rafale), this time in the sky of Singapore in 2005. And same result as in Korea. Despite its 1st place in the evaluations, for political reasons, the Rafale is not chosen... The last duel lost by the Eurofighter against the Rafale is recent (the F-15 is not present, there is the Saab Gripen). It was in Switzerland in 2011, where the Rafale was also at the top of the classification. But it was the Gripen NG, the least efficient and cheapest aircraft that was chosen by Switzerland. But this time, it is not for political consideration, but rather for reasons of employment of the Swiss aviation (a neutral country). Another duel. With this time: Eurofighter, Rafale and F-35. In the Netherlands at the beginning of 2002 when the Dutch Air Force evaluated the aircraft in competition. Lockheed Martin's F-35 was slightly ahead of the Rafale (6.97 against 6.95). In contrast, the Eurofighter Typhoon trailed far behind with a score of 5.83. But we are in 2020, and since then there may have been other simulated fights...?
Il est vraiment incroyable ce Rafale! il combine beauté, efficacité, performances, furtivité accrue, approuvé au combat, le seul à pouvoir être opérationnel avec l'Us Navy, je dis Respect au French Rafale, merci pour ta vidéo.
10:30 it's because passive stealth isn't the only mean of concealing the rafale, there is a system called SPECTRA which lower its radar cross-section by canceling the radar waves bouncing back by emitting waves of opposite phase
Yep, even USAF pilots and radar operators nicknamed her "the Klingon vessel" because of her capacity to become actively invisible... and thus even if french pilots are not alowed to use all of its capacity when training with foreign forces...
This is true. It is potentially useful. However there are ways to defeat this active cancellation. A good option to have but not always practical to use.
Nice video as usual. There was multiple reasons for the French dropping of the EFA program, one you missed was the Navy. The French navy needed a plane badly. The Super Etendard was an evolution of a 50's plane (Etendard) and the F8 Crusaders were obsolete. The EFA was too big not sea worthy and not omnirole. The EFA was designed as an interceptor which also did not suit the French air force's needs. A lot of the Fighter bombers were also becoming obsolete like the Jaguars and Mirage F1. Currently the non rafale aircraft the French Air force still uses are interceptors : Mirage 2000-5 and bomber 2000D
@@UnePintade Yes, it is not that old but Rafale is better. Mirage 2000 is a good aircraft series designed in the late 70s and introduced in the 80s. Later models were still being built until 2007. In combat when used along side Rafale, the Mirage 2000 showed that it is still capable and will be for some time. But it also showed that it was somewhat more vulnerable and carried fewer weapons. It also happens to be less capable in air to air. If France upgraded to all Rafale, their Mirage 2000 probably could be sold and put to use elsewhere.
lcoudeur One of the other reason was the engines air intakes: Separated on each side on the Rafale, but centered on the Eurofighter. The French military specialists (and engineers) considered that if you have two engines, you MUST have them getting their source of air separated enough to avoid one affected air intake affecting the other. That could be a problem on the Eurofighter because they are too near from each other. Even with two engines, both engines can be lost if only one air intake is damaged for any reason. Just pure logic, experience and all about details! 😉
India has alot of jets. Like the kid in a candy store. Ill take 5 of these, a couple of those, a box of them, uhhhm and a few of these also, oh yeah and let me get 10 of them too. Let me know when these come out I want some of them also For Sure. 😎
@@charris5700 diplomatic, political and financial urgenies led to such a situation. Russia, France & Israel being close Indian allies we have always tried to source military equipment from these states. But India has a huge need of 600 fighter jets to be fulfilled in next 5/10 years as earlier jets are retired and most of them will be fulfilled by Indian origin fighters like Tejas and AMCA. but presently it is true that we enjoy best of both east and the west. Su30 MKI & mig29 from one side and Rafale & Mirage 2000 from the other 😇😇😇
I'm a tank mechanic, not an aircraft expert! I'm a tank mechanic, not a naval expert! I hear Dr. McCoy from Star Trek Everytime you give the disclaimer. 😄
Rafale's electronic warfare capabilities are far ahead of the Eurofighter. It is better at low level penetration than the Eurofighter. It's availability rate is higher, due to easier maintenance. Overall, while the Eurofighter looks better on paper, the rafale has proven to be more versatile and survivable in the real world.
@@Sedna063 That's a complicated discussion. You cannot ignore the maintenance friendliness of certain equipment over the other. Fighters like the F5 Freedom fighter were far easier to maintain than the F4 phantom. Different engine and airframe designs have different maintenance requirements. Dassault took all measures to ensure the Rafale is easy to maintain, something the Eurofighter designers didn't pay as much attention to. Of course, training and discipline of the ground crew is an absolute must.
@@manassurya2019 They were far easier to maintain but also much less capable. Dassault had to because the Rafale M is a carrier plane - much harder requirements.
@@Sedna063 : I have read this only once, and have no idea if it's true - I have read that after maintenance, the F 35 stealth paint (Over access panels) requires 2 days to cure.
@@valegendre Yet most of the upper class (apart from those that are German) are Franco-Norman :P I suppose that they're unhappy about the "Angevin Empire" :P
@@valegendre Oui mais finalement on s'en balek de leur traité à la con!!! En France nous sommes capables de produire de l'excellent matériel de guerre dans plusieurs domaines et la liste est longue : avions, hélicoptères, sous marins nucléaires , FREMM, Porte avions nucléaire ,chars Leclerc etc....
Thank you so much for covering the Rafale! I'll repay you by throwing in my 2 cents; - unfortunately the rafale (french version) is not equipped with a helmet mounted sighting system. - the canards look different compared to the EF typhoon because they don't have the same role. Basically the EF needed extra leverage to get those high G, very violent maneuvers whereas the canards in the rafale are used to regulate airflow over the wings enabling it to pull very high angles of attack without losing energy. It's a gross oversimplification but information is easily found on this subject! - The wingtip pylons can take more than just the old magic-II missiles, you can throw MICA-IR on them too ;) Lastly, I see that you didn't touch up on the weaknesses of the aircraft so because I believe in humility, I'll do it. The rafale is equipped with a subpar designation pod called "damocles", it's not terrible but it's objectively inferior to american and israeli counterparts.
And they give lift, the canards of the Rafale. Much lower mininal speed which is advantageous for carrier based planes. This also gives them a very high payload and great handling at lower air speeds. EF is designed for unconditional dogfight. Anything else can be offset by it's strong engines. And great comment, you must be the only one ever to know of Damocles. I heard that they will get a new pod though, couldn't find something about it though.
@@Sedna063 They are working on a replacement yeah, not sure when it'll be operational though. As for the eurofighter, it's an impressive aircraft for sure, it's kinetic performance is just eyewatering. The problem with the EF is that it was designed to intercept russian bombers first and foremost. The result of this is that while it can definitely drop a smart bomb here and there, it's just not the best platform to do so. I'd like to add that in a guns only environement I'd put my money on the rafale every time, not that it's very relevant to actual warfare... it's just nice to have ;)
Got to admit I love all 3 Euro canard-delta fighters. I have built models of them all and I like the lines of the Rafale best, then the Gripen and the Typhoon in the end. Still think the Harrier(GR3) is my all-time fave though!
Thanks for the vid ! A few points : -> mirage IV is not a scaled up mirage III, it is a dedicated nuclear penetration aircraft (mirage III is an interceptor), with very different aerodynamic and engine requirements. The mirage 4000, however, is completely a scaled up mirage 2000 and an air superiority fighter (think F15 vs F16 in term of role). It was too expensive for armée de l'air, and the potential customers (saudis) got F15s cheaper -> The french left eurofighter first and foremost because eurofighter is a no compromise air dominance fighter, the ultimate mig swatter. We needed an aircraft carrier capable fighter that could do low level nuclear penetration. Since this is part of our nuclear dissuasion, we were not willing to compromise on that, and there are incompatible design choices coming from those requirements. For example, the canards of the eurofighter are all the way up front for greater control authority. The ones on rafale are closer to the wing to interact with it and lower landing speed for CV operations. EF-2000 are optimised for high altitude supersonic flight, etc, etc... -> Helmet sight is integrated but not sold to the french air force, no money :( -> Rafale is indeed not stealth. RCS reducing features were integrated when it was not too expensive and did not compromise other characteristics, but its primary way of avoiding fire is the SPECTRA system.
The french stealth doctrine is simple: no matter how capable your radar is, it can't see through a hill. So the rafale relies on its capability to fly very low to escape enemy radars.
Belgian pilots really liked the French Rafale when they were looking to replace their ageing F-16 fleet. unfortunately due to political games they're now stuck with a couple of F-35's, which are going to cost billions.
@@moonbear2130 depending on the contract F-35A costs high 70 low 80 million € a piece; while Rafale costs high 60 low 70 million € a piece. Belgian will buy 34 F-35s for 4 billion euros. (15 billion euros for 30 years of support) That being said I think that small nation needs neither, they just need some very cheap aeroplanes to fulfil their air-policing policy. And perhaps some cheap turboprops ground support planes when they chip in in Iraq or Afghanistan (when they know insurgents don't have planes of their own).
As a born Russian I highly respect the French- back in ww2 we had Free French Fighter Unit and my absolute hats off to them. They even kept our Yak-9s hidden in barnyards lol. Vive La 🇫🇷!!
Dude. You know the Normandie-Niemen squadron still exist and have Rafales? oh and the Yak 9 you gave to the pilots where taken by force by the government when they returned in 1945 and they where given FW190. So almost all of them crashed in "accidents" where the pilot had to bail out safely and the FW-190 crashed.
Great video ! You forgot to say the Rafale is the only non US plane autorise to land on US Carriers... witch is a proof of trust in the reliability of the plane to make this complicated task. Also, there is a video on youtube where a Rafale pilot put a F22 in his crosshair, witch is also a proof that it's not outdated yet !! ; )
Well about this cross hair video I think most people get it wrong. It isn't how fights happen in real life anymore. It's all about being the first to see the ennemy on its radar 40km+ away, in short, the first to jerk off. Dogfights aren't representative at all of air combat reality.
Isn’t Rafale the only non US aircraft actually capable to be launched off a US carrier? So it’s exclusive authorization to land doesn’t sound so exclusive really
RAFALE, RAFALE, MAYBE, BUT ALL THOSE WEAPONS AND FUEL TANKS HANGING DOWN CAUSES HUGE RADAR EVIDENCE AND THIS PLANE CAN'T REACH NOBODY "DOGFIGHT" 'CAUSE HITTING IT DOWN BEFORE TO REACH A FOE-PLANE.....
The funding for the F4 upgrade was approved in October 2019. Just be sure, as much bad press that the Defense Industry throws at the Rafale, its not based on performance. In every evaluation where the aircraft were actually flown in actual war fighting tasks, the Rafale has won. South Korea, Switzerland, India, Brazil, UAE andtheNetherlands, when directly compared to Typhoon, Super Hornet, F-16/F-20, F-15SE, MIG-35, SU-30 and the F-35 the Rafale has never lost. This hasn't always translated to sales. But like the Captain of the USS HW Bush said after the Chesapeake exercises, it was nice to have the most advanced Naval Fighter in the World on board. Of course the Secretary of the Navy was livid, but the Captain was retiring in 60 days and didn't have to watch his words anymore.
Well depends what you mean by best. Different countries have different budgets and requirements, personally I think overall the Gripen is the best bang for buck any nation could buy, followed by Rafale and Typhoon and finally Super Hornets, I'm not including F-35's and the likes purely because their cost and maintenance is prohibitive for a lot of nations, in the sense that while they could buy and field them the number would be negligible, countries like the Netherlands and Denmark are running into these kinds of problems to the point where it would have made more sense to go with something like the 4 mentioned above rather than persevere with the F-35 since they had to cut down heavily on numbers to remain within budget
11g is the limit for display figures in do or die situation the controls allow even more Gs forgot if it was 12 or 13, no point preserving the airframe if it get you shot down
The Rafale is an omnirole aircraft, not a multirole aircraft. i.e. he can do several different missions (ground attack or attack against objective at sea, air combat), without having to return to the base to be configured and then leave.It is one of the few planes that can do this. Le rafale est un avion omnirole et non pas multirole. c'est à dire qu'il peut faire plusieurs missions différentes (attaque au sol ou attaque contre objectif en mer, combat aérien), sans être obligés de revenir à la base pour être configuré et repartir ensuite.C'est un des rares avions à pouvoir le faire.
Et bien le fait qu'il puisse apponter sur porte avion signifie qu'il doit pas être trop lourd mais aussi par ce que c'était le désir du gouvernement Français de posséder un chasseur léger qui devait remplacer a termes 7 types d'avions différents alors que le reste du consortium voulait un intercepteur non navalisé et donc plus lourd. Il y a aussi la répartition des taches qui ne plaisait pas au gouvernement, en bref la France a estimer que ça leur couterez plus chère que de construire leurs propre chasseur en plus il fallait abandonner le moteur Snecma et le radariste Thomson a l'époque. Trop de contrepartie trop de perte d'argent pour une fiabilité et des performances aléatoire.
Yes, that was one of the primary reasons. An other reasons is that the British wanted to impose Rolls royce for the engine, it meant the death of the french engine develloper/produced, the Snecma. An other big reason to leave the eurofighter program, was the concept, germany and GB wanted an interceptor while france needed an omnirole/multirole fighter.
No, the reason was the engines, UK wanted to make 2 engines that could communicate, Dassault did not want that, because if one is under fire the other might stop too, so because of many points of disagreement, Dassault decided to build his own jet, but they did not start from the beginning, they had a project started a few years before, so they started with it and made the Rafale, released before the Typhoon.
From what I understood, appart from the place of Dassault in the industrial process, the debate was also in the role of the plane as France wanted a more multirole fighter than an interceptor, and a possible carrier version.
the industrial issues are a bit too old for most people to remember but france crucially wanted something carrier-capable and omnirole, while the rest of europe indeed wanted and interceptor and that's it. specifically germany didn't want to have anything to do with any sort of air-to-ground weaponry. sadly nowadays the SCAF negociations are really looking like the same mess.
Matsimus, I heard you struggling several times to spell SNECMA, the name of the firm which designed the twin engines of the Rafale. In fact, in France, we say directly the name SNECMA. You should pronounce it by combining snake with, let say, the two first letters of massive. Repeat after me: snakema 😉 Good boy! French is easier than you thought... Otherwise, a very good and honest video. Tschuss.
Note on the carrier landing AoA: for those who are unaware, the reason the high AoA of 16-18 is considered acceptable is because of the characteristics of delta wing lift. Simply put, the wings will generate an enormous amount of lift at high aoa in exchange for a lot of drag. This allows a lower landing speed compared to a traditional supersonic wing, and also allows for very stable flight even at high AoA. This also has effects for air combat. When, for comparison, an F-16 would be running out of alpha, the Rafale still has plenty more to give. You kill your sustained turn rate this way, but you get a little bit more instantaneous and substantially reduce your turn circle
wingtip rails can accomodate magic II but are in practice only used for MICA missiles and smokewinders for airshows One very important think is that the canards aren't lift canards but close coupled canards. They serve a different purpose than the eurofighter's canards, they actually angle downwards during turns, witch generate a vortex that greatly enhance the lift of the main wing. They also makes it much more resistant to stall, allowing the aircraft to fly at speeds as low as 116 knots. The m-88-2 is the definitive engine of the rafale. The proposed upgrade (named M-88-X initially) was quickly scaled down to 9 tons of thrust, and later abandoned as it would shift the CoM backward, and the current 75 kn of thrust was deemed sufficient. The navalized rafale M is not that much heavier than the C variant, it's only 600 kg heavier, and 250 kg heavier than the biplace version (only 6% heavier than the C in empty mass, and it has very little effect on performances) Rafale is approved for up to 11g in emergency situations, and 10.5g in airshow The rbe2 radar has recieved 2 upgrades since it's introduction, and in the latest standard it have an active antenna, a range >200 km and can scan 40 targets, track 24 target, and engage 8 (simultaneousely) Video was great, so well documented !
Thales Group and Dassault Aviation have mentioned stealthy jamming modes for the SPECTRA system, to reduce the aircraft's apparent radar signature. It is not known exactly how these work or even if the capability is fully operational, but it may employ active cancellation technology, such as has been tested by Thales and MBDA. Active cancellation is supposed to work by sampling and analyzing incoming radar and feeding it back to the hostile emitter out of phase thus canceling out the returning radar echo.
Exactly, in fact SPECTRA can detect every EM waves in the whole EM specter, allows it to"scan" the ennemi planes and findind a counter measure, that s why french are no more invited to red flag because they have been accused from spying with this system
@@randomconnard8338 Yeah that is right. The French were warned twice when caught monitoring EM from other western aircraft. The French were going to use it for marketing the Rafale export sales.
@@teddyballgame4823 yes they have been warned first because they were not using their full capabilities (SPECTRA on) and when they discovered what SPCTRA was they said it was spying(from my point of view US accusing french from spying is a big joke because of what they did ) so french have been not invited since they used SPECTRA as it has been made for. But now rafale has been sold many times so i hope french will be invited again when the other countries will understand that it was not spying for increasing its attractivity.
@@hritikjuyal5484 Because the Python system allows off-bore targeting so that you don't need to have your plane aligned behind the other one in order to target & hit the plane. The Meteor system which isn't totally French but has alot of French engineering in it is ram jet propelled allowing fo extremely long ranges while it's senors are excellent in actually hitting your target, even highly maneuverable targets such as advanced Soviet fighters.
To be honest something I'm really concerned about regarding the rafale is why didn't japan go for it instead of the F-35 ? Japan needed a new air superiority, interceptor and anti naval fighter designed to go on carriers. Although I know it isn't exactly stealth it's still on the very top regarding stealth among 4th +++ gen fighters as its engines were designed to have a really low IR signature ( unlike de typhoon ) and has a low radar indic due to its size and composite. Seriously it has one the most op radar in the world, is A LOT less troublesome than the lightning II, cheaper, is basicaly the only jet that is a true omnirole jet fighter. Anyway nice job mat
Why Japanese Air Force prefer Fail 35 ? Politics... USA can défend Japan with 3 millions GI s soldiers But France cant...with only 300 000. And this protection have a price An high level price : a Fail 35 price. Same thing with all europeans armies...bunch of sissies. Japan isnt according to his history. That s all folks
Japan only has small carriers for helicopters and potentially VTOL/VSTOL fixed wing aircraft. Japan has a policy against building full large carriers for political reasons and that is unlikely to change soon. That left F-35B as the only reasonable choice for use on carriers. But, the primary reason they purchased F-35B was for land based operations from small airfields on their island archipelago. It also happens to be one of the only stealth aircraft available to them and is designed for air to ground, which makes it a reasonable replacement for their older ground attack aircraft. It is not intended to replace any of their air superiority fighters. For that, Typhoon, Rafale, and newer F-15 variants were all considered but ultimately a purchase was not made. At this point, I think F-15X would be the best replacement for their older F-15s since it would be a large leap in capabilities with very little disruption in training, maintenance, or operations. Rafale could fill some of the same needs nearly as well but with more disruption and thus not the best option for Japan.
When joking I call it the "BCR" - french enthusiasts can understand this XD. During 1930' that was the name of the project of a plane capable of three missions Bombing, fighting, and reconnaissance ("Bombardement Combat Reconnaissance") 3 planes from 3 companies where selected during the project, became operational, equiped the french air force, and both were pitiful performers and outdated for all the 3 missions XD.
@@Fabio-om4kb Ah le con j'te jure !!! Y en a qui ne doivent pas habiter la même planète que nous. mouarf !!! Tu as entièremment raison mec, y en a qui vivent dans le passé !!!
First, the mirage 4000 was cancelled because it was damn too expensive to buy and had fixed canards. Basically, the main problem wich caused the split was that we needed absolutely a navy fighter to replace our f-8 crusaders, that phased out in .... 99 and super étendard that followed in 2017...., and that implied weight/power/size limits that the others didn't need or want.Then we needed a very efficient attack aircraft to replace jaguars, super étendard, mirage IV, mirage IIIE and F1 ,wich the european already had with the tornado so they logicaly didn't want to pay for that dev either. So, as it is the Rafale was first designed as a navy pure fighter(F1), that was then stripped off it's sea gear to get the air force model, wich is indeed lighter etc... but the weight gain is limited to the front gear and the hook (400kg).It was then port to F2 standards with ground attack capabilities, then the actual F3+ and eventually F4 with maybe vectorized thrust and HMS, even if its far from probable as the next gen fighter is already on the bench. The politics industrial stuff...yeah but where on earth doesn't it work that way...The stealth stuff, yes it has some stealth physical properties, the intakes are among them.But the key to rafale is more in the passive/active suite Spectra that does the job pretty well actually and is more adaptable in the futur than physical shapes and materials, some say it can aim a Mica backwards using passive detection. The magic II ain't mounted on Rafale since quite a bit of time as Mica comes into IR and Radar heads and almost from start of the aircraft, and is a far more pottent weapon. Nice vid though.
Mirage 4000 was an entire private program of Dassault, and they even had to "borrow" engines from the Mirage 2000 program to fly her. Even the pilot seat was borrowed from another plane. Budget was very low and finally they failed to make any sale to french or foreign customer despite the machine was awsome. But time passes and now we know it was a mistake from french goverments not buying this beauty. Mirage 4000 had a very huge potential for some missions such air superiority, strategic bombing. It had 2 10tons class remaquable M53 engines, longrange on internal fuel, large nose to accomodate a big radar and sophisticated avionics, attack systems and countermeasures. But at that time, french goverments started being stucked with EEC stupid politics and a powerfull France is not in the EEC plans....
@@tricosteryl the mirage 4000 didn't borrow its engine or seat to anyone, it used the SNECMA m-53 and Martin Maker M-10 as it was a direct, simply twice heavier, development of the mirage 2000.The Rafale demonstrator used indeed F-18 engines as the M-88 wasn't ready yet. France refused to buy the first 5 preproduction models to dassault as it already has decided to go along with the 2000 and couldn't afford to support two types for the same tasks, as the 4000 in those days was only better in range and payload and was twice the price of a 2000. Its specific DI radar was dropped in 75, it would then have used the same RDM than the 2000 and therefore would have had any advantage upon the 2000 except on these two points which, for France AD, are irrelevant.When asked why we would drop this "gem" of technology one general said france doesn't need to defend its airspace to Vladisvostok.Then Dassault aimed at the f-15 which one of the main main quality is its outstanding APG-63 and RWR systems, and without a comparable suite, who would have bought it . We were able to produce a good doppler radar only in 1987 with the RDI. With only irakies and saoudies showing interest on the outer market, the production batch would have been a few hundreds maybe less when MC donnell was producing the F-15 by the thousands with the drastic cost reductions it would imply.Therefore it was cancelled and i don't see where EEC had something to do with that, especialy in the eighties.The only external players that could have had interest in the mirage 4000 not going airborn was NATO, as France had to assure a certain volume of available planes to assure NATO operations and cutting offf the numbers in half wouldn't have helped out, but France was quite appart from Nato in thosetimes.Then the US would certainly not have really apreciated France shitting on their lawn by threatening its best fighter sells but then again, a quick interception test flights would have solved the issue quite rapidly. So was it a good plane yes, but not a viable project.Finally, the advanced air to ground capabilities and top avonics suite taht can be seen in the pit today arrived later when it was reused for the 2000-5/9 and Rafale developpment, but the dices had already been thrown on its future.
@@bertrandbarbe245 I wrote the Engines were borrowed from the Mirage 2000 program. They used 2 engines taken from Mirage 2000 prototypes and mount them into the Mirage 4000 prototype. The Ejector seat was also taken from another aircraft and used in another program when the Mirage 4000 was aborted. You can verify this in the great aviation magazine "Le fanatique de l'Aviation" (issues recently published, this year if my memory is not that bad) The strengh of the M4000 was that it was literally a double M2000, using as many common components as possible. But if fact, the M4000 prototype, despite its superior engine, aerodynamics and performances, was to stay an empty shell, as no war equipment was available or planed in France or Europe to take advantage of a plane of this size. We can understand this because it was quite unexpected that a european company successfully develop a combat aircraft that big. In addition, France does not have enough infrastructures to handle such big aircraft in numbers in her airbases. Buying this plane would have caused new huge costs, eg develop new radar, develop specific war equipment, scale up infrastructures and supply chain. So this was not only a question of plane price. Taking a step back, the question was in fact : was it relevant to reschedule the Rafale program later to make it a full 5.0 warplane and start Mirage 4000 to go until 2010... As we say in France, knowledge is like jam, the less you have, the more you spread...
@@tricosteryl indeed. In what way mirage 4000 would have been better than 2000 except for range and payload as they are exactly the same thrust to weight ratio and use the same tech? Since we had the mirage 2000, what logistical chain change would have it done except for the quantities, we would have half the number of mirage 4000 than of 2000 for the same budget period. What about the mirage IV infrastructures which was bigger and more cumbersome to maintain than the mirage 4000 and posed no problem to deal with and for 40 years. So as i'm french too, i'd reply the more you spread the sinner you get.
@@bertrandbarbe245 "we would have half the number of mirage 4000 than of 2000 for the same budget " But these planes are different and dont fit the same missions... M2000 is a short range light aircraft, M4000 is a long range heavy aircraft. If you put the same limited radar and equipement in a heavy aircraft than in a light aircraft, you are stupid. M2000 was not intended for domestic market at the beginning... but the Air Force bought it because the european collaboration was stucked M53 was first designed to fit a M3 class combat aircraft, for instance the development of Mirage Gs prototypes And as said earlier, infrastructure and supply chain upgrades were more than dissuading issues for a M4000 option. M4000 requires 3 times the fuel of a M2000 => you need much more refuelling trucks and servants. M4000 is very tall and large, it doesnt fit properly in the standard nato shelters we have in french bases => bigger shelters to be buit. French Air Force only had a maximum of 30 Mirage IV operational at the same time (~60 produced), distributed in only two bases. Mirage IV operational maintenance is much a slower and long work than a combat aircraft maintenance. Converting the airbases to the 20 tons twin engine Rafale was a long, expensive and hard job, and the M4000 is a 30tons aircraft... Despite M4000 was one of the best aircrafts of its time, the French Air Force was not in position to buy it because the french politicians were pumping the budget to feed the european politics.
It has just the right amount of "stealth" incorporated. Too much and you are ruining the aerodynamics and carrying capacity, too little and you end up being picked up by the radars from their maximum theoretical range all the time.
The French left the Eurofighter program because at some point it wasn't going toward what the French wanted anymore. Too many countries with different needs, only France wanted an aircraft able to land on a nuclear aircraft carrier, able to deliver deep nuclear strikes, and oriented toward bombing rather than dogfighting. Rafale and Typhoon are both really good aircrafts, the Rafale is the best bomber, the Typhoon would do better in dogfight. But overall, the Rafale is really a jewel of manoeuverability, it is able to do any mission, most of the time with better results than the competitors.
Rafale is a dogfighter, in fact Typhoon and Rafale have been in air to air combat exercises 18 times at Solenzara and ATLC 2009. The Rafale won 16 times and Typhoon only twice. Furthermore Rafale was even able to win vs an F22 in a dogfight exercise, the US denied it at first, but then onboard footage was leaked on the internet. th-cam.com/video/oGuWadoTgkE/w-d-xo.html
I completely agree, however Dassault has already announced they will not be putting it up in the bid due to the lack of cohesion with american forces :(
@@Arkayify Canada prioritizes its arrangement with the 5 Eyes and with NORAD. In this competition a european jet (be it the Rafale, the EF Typhoon or the Gripen) stands no chance
@@carolusmartellus2520 You're right. However considering we have the capability to redo the entire computing system (like we did on the F-18) I feel like we would be able to manage it. This is of course is no easy task, but is doable. Either way, that ship has sailed. Even with Saab announcing partnerships with Canadian companies for the Gripen, I believe our government will most likely settle on the Super Hornets. I hope lol
A small clarification on the difference between multirole and omnirole. A multirole aircraft needs to return to base for a configuration change (switch from air-to-air mode to air-to-land mode for example). An omirole plane can change its configuration directly without returning to base. He configures his attack mode directly. Une petite précision sur la différence entre multirole et omnirole. Un avion multirole a besoin de revenir à la base pour un changement de configuration (passer du mode air air en mode air terre par exemple). Un avion omirole peut changer sa configuration directement sans retour à la base. Il configure son mode d'attaque directement.
The canard aren't as far at the front because they're primarly here to direct the airflow, not to produce torque. The idea is that it helps with high angle of attacks and low velocity flight (usefull for agility, energy retention, carrier landing)
@@jameson1239 Rafale would have been a good choice, but Dassault pulled out. Gripen will need to be continually upgraded to keep up with other next-gen fighters. F-35 is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be and would be great for Canada because of its communication suite making it able to work alongside US and other NATO forces more effectively and efficiently. Alternatively, the F/A-18 ADV Super Hornet would be an excellent contender and fighter for Canada because they are basically re-worked and more powerful F/A-18 fighters, so current CF-18 pilots will need little re-training with working with the already combat proven fighter. It has conformal fuel tanks, giving it increased range and the RCS fuselage along with the enclosed weapons pod gives it a better stealth (not true stealth, but harder to detect)
the rafale's canards are not control surfaces they manage the airflow on the delta wing, check out refuelling video and pay close attention to them they are constantly slicing air along the plane's trajectory they only pitch drastically when acting as air brakes. you can also see them pointed down during a loop at the end of the video.@12:55
Enfaite il est plus omni rôle plutôt que multi rôle même si la différence est mince en mission ca donne un avantage :) et pour ce qui est des similitude avec le typhoon a part le look quand on regarde a 40m lol ils ont pas grand chose en commun ;) les canards sont pas au même endroit les entrées d'air sont bien séparé pour éviter qu'une panne d'un moteur affecte l'autre contrairement au typhoon le design et pas vraiment le même et la liste et longue, sans parler de la maintenance rapide du Rafale ah oui j'avais oublié les ailes du typhoon construites dans deux pays différents 😂
@@Fabio-om4kb First of all, it is quite impolite to write in French under an english speaking video. And secondly, the air inlets had to be spaced above for Rafale to have more reserves for their carriers. It ain't optimal for air flow into the engines, a belly inlet is far superior.
@@Sedna063 que j'utilise google traduction ou que vous l'utilisiez cela fait aucune différence. Les entrées d'air ont cette forme surtout pour limité l'empreinte radar, elles ont pas étaient espacé EXPRES pour plus de reserves c'est juste ce design qui a était choisis lors de sa conception qui libère beaucoup de place c'est la toute la différence entre le typhoon et le Rafale. sur le Rafale des efforts on était faits pour que l'empreinte radar soit minime d'où des formes douces et non angulaires.
For Canada, Dassault didn't wanted to enter the competition and spend money and time because at the end the US can veto the sale (e.g. integration of the NORAD secret communications system, US can deny a foreign country to have access to the technical data needed to interface this equipment to their airplane).
Eurofighter dropped out likewise. Just politics game. Both jets were ideally suited for Canada's needs. Long range, high-speed, strong A2A and A2G. NATOs finest 4.5 gen jets.
Over all the Rafale is a more flexible design than the Typhoon. Definitely in the air to ground and air to sea roles. It's not perfect but it is pretty good for it's design period and still has room for upgrades.
Rafale should be seriously considered by Canada for their primary fighter aircraft. It is well suited to their mission needs and could be locally produced with local modifications and full tech transfer. Canada has sufficient aerospace industry to build them from scratch. The low observability features are significant and should not be underestimated. While certainly easier to detect than a fully stealthy aircraft, the radar cross section (RCS) is pretty close to the minimum practical level for use with external stores. This relatively low RCS delays detect, track, and lock by likely opponent aircraft which can allow Rafale pilots to get a shot off first, especially if combined with the latest radar available. Particular points of strength for Rafale are good range, good weapons load, and good performance against both air and surface targets. The other top possibilities should be F-15X and Typhoon T3a+, which are also well suited to the mission needs of Canada but might be more problematic for full local production for various reasons. F-35 is well suited for overseas deployment for strike missions alongside partner nations but less well suited for defensive patrols of the entire territory of Canada and surrounding waters. Rafale, F-15X, or Typhoon would also be able to provide significant assistance for joint operations in many roles, thus those partnerships would not be neglected by opting for an aircraft other than F-35. Super Hornets are not a very good option because they only really have a cost advantage and not by that much. The F-15X can do everything the Super Hornet can do but better because it has more range, more firepower, more sensor range, more speed, and more max flight hours. Super Hornet only has a very slight advantage in slow speed turns that is negated by pilot training and modern missiles. They both use a similar sensor back end with similar capabilities but the F-15X has a much larger radar antenna and more advanced radar warning receivers.
India should also seriously consider large scale domestic production of the Rafale. A few hundred Rafale would be a much better option than a similar number of Tejas and domestic production could be ramped up nearly as quickly. Tejas isn't bad but there are better options. A 50/50 mix of Su-30MKI and Rafale would be a potent force. Focus on AMCA development for a domestic design instead. Also buy large numbers of Su-34 to replace MiG-27 and Jaguar. Once AMCA is eventually ready, it can complement Su-30MKI, Rafale, and Su-34.
@@Sedna063 Rafale are fully qualified to carry all the common weapons used in NATO. This was a requirement for previous export bids and thus was added some time ago. Canada could take missiles and bombs off of CF-18 and put them on Rafale, no problem. Any odd ball weapons not currently supported could be integrated easily.
@@stupidburp Find me a source please. Wikipedia English says: A2A: -Mica -Magic II -Meteor (planned) A2G: -MBDA Apache -Storm Shadow -ASSM -GBU series -Mark 82 -Exocet Only the Mark 82 and the GBU are currently with Canada.
@@Sedna063 Dassault pushes sales of the default French weapons but notes that Rafale can use others. From their web site: "The Rafale’s stores management system is Mil-Std-1760 compliant, which provides for easy integration of customer-selected weapons." Many potential customers required other weapons. Wikipedia shows only the most common weapons in use and most Rafale are used by France. Not surprising that wikipedia is inaccurate.
Fun fact: The Rafale is the only non US plane that can land and take off from US carriers without any special preparation for either. This more than anything comes down to the fact that France is the only other country that has a carrier with a catapult rather than a ski jump.
Only M (Marine) variant, not all Rafale.
@@Tagadarealty Of course, since the M is for the marine, not the others.
the US should buy rafales
Rare French W
@@maxiona714*Ultra Chad God Based Sigma Common France W,as it should be !
For my money, this is one of the best -looking fast jets out there. The curves between the nose and the intakes are very unique and just look terrific.
When the French throw a hissy fit over not having majority control and leave the Eurofighter project, you get another sexy plane.
but shitty tho
Tbh if you look more into it you'll find that it's mainly a Dassault thing and the Dassault family got a lot of power and see their corruption regularly surface just to end some magistrates and policeman careers. Well as you can see actualy on the news, corruption, is pretty common.
@@alessandromazzini7026 what you talkin about
@@80pinguoinikator Not that Boeing, Eurocopter, MiG, Saab and Sukhoi had not been mentioned in various corruption cases...
@@alessandromazzini7026 How so?
The French Navy has edited some nice footage from Rafale Marine with cool music, it's called Chillout on their channel Chasse Embarquée.
A nice moment for air enthusiastic people.
Thx for the vid Matsimus!
Thx for your support :)
Here : th-cam.com/users/dreamnflyvidsvideos
If you want, watch the Francazal 2018 from Babouc Nativel ;)
The Chillout series is wonderful.
'Dad, why did French back away from Eurofighter and went with their own development?'
'Because they knew where Eurofighter was going'
Yup , just see German eurofighter .
Eurofighter was a mistake .
wot
@@dogdog2257 German Eurofighter is not bad. Maintenance issues because the German MOD is just incapable.
@@dogdog2257 actually if you want to see how good the eurofighter became the best example was the raf models with the fgr4 and later the fgr5. Unfortunately though decent the Germany fighters are massively underdeveloped and underfunded due to lack of will to fund it by the German government.
Eurofighter does just fine. The Germans are just cheapskates!
One of the most beautiful fighters around and quite capable as well.
Dude I'm highly impressed by the accuracy you deliver across a wide range of subjects. I used to work on A-10's and you nailed that video. No need to disclaim you're not an expert, you're incredibly knowledgeable!
Interesting fact : Dassault and the French Army qualified the Rafale as an Omnirole aircraft meaning that it can switch its air superiority mission to an air to ground strike mission without having to go back to base.
Like the f18
@@Aaron-wq3jz well the f-18 is a multirole aircraft so yes but it is not exactly the same as the rafale. Omnirole really means that it can do everything at the same time and that it can do it as well as an aircraft built to only be a bomber or a fighter. To sumarize the f-18 is a good multirole and the rafale is a good air superiority fighter, multirole, bomber, reconnaissance aircraft and strategic bomber.
@@gabilax2745 I would not call the Rafale a strategic bomber. It lacks the range and the payload to fly deep into enemy territory and deliver strategic strikes.
Strategic bombers are B1-B, B52 and B2 - all have at least 30,000 kilos payload and ranges of above 10,000 kilometers.
Rafale is a great tactical bomber.
As to reconaissance, the current damocles pod limits it a bit.
@@Sedna063 it is strategic in the french doctrine as it is qualified to shot with ASMP missile (which replace Mirage 2000N) . they belong to the FAS "forces aeriennes strategiques"
older stratgic bombers are now quite useless
@Mike‘s World yes. I would say : strategic bombers are not existing anymore. We can speak about strategic bombing missions.
I'm big fan of Eurofighter but damn, Rafale is beautiful.
Sadly, the Typhoon's MTBF is 45 min. Can never launch four together. Germany wants to sell them at half-price.
Me too, but The Rafale was love at first sight.
When a design look right, it's also often good engineering.
Now I'll have a baguette with cheese, tomato, sausage and a JP. Chenet here - for real. ;)
Łukasz Wójtowicz it is because Rafale is a copy of the eurofighter typhoon.
@Kanwer Vikram There have been at least 2 assessments (with simulated combat) between the F-15, the Eurofighter, and the Rafale. In South Korea (2002). The Rafale finishes 1st of the evaluations. For political reasons (and also the decline of the dollar against the euro that year), Korea did not choose the Rafale ...
New duel (F-15, Eurofighter, Rafale), this time in the sky of Singapore in 2005. And same result as in Korea. Despite its 1st place in the evaluations, for political reasons, the Rafale is not chosen...
The last duel lost by the Eurofighter against the Rafale is recent (the F-15 is not present, there is the Saab Gripen). It was in Switzerland in 2011, where the Rafale was also at the top of the classification. But it was the Gripen NG, the least efficient and cheapest aircraft that was chosen by Switzerland. But this time, it is not for political consideration, but rather for reasons of employment of the Swiss aviation (a neutral country).
Another duel. With this time: Eurofighter, Rafale and F-35. In the Netherlands at the beginning of 2002 when the Dutch Air Force evaluated the aircraft in competition. Lockheed Martin's F-35 was slightly ahead of the Rafale (6.97 against 6.95). In contrast, the Eurofighter Typhoon trailed far behind with a score of 5.83.
But we are in 2020, and since then there may have been other simulated fights...?
Nothing like a Matsiums vid when you're laying in bed dying from a cold
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Don't die! 😾
Could be worse.. you could be dying in bed without a matsimus video...
I feel you bro😷
Man the fuck up
Il est vraiment incroyable ce Rafale! il combine beauté, efficacité, performances, furtivité accrue, approuvé au combat, le seul à pouvoir être opérationnel avec l'Us Navy, je dis Respect au French Rafale, merci pour ta vidéo.
et en plus omni-rôle, peux de chasseur peuvent s'en targuer
Seul chasseur au monde a pouvoir embarqué une fois et demi son poid à vide en armement
Vive la france
Rafale had a huge success in last years. 400+ are on orders now, of which 40 have been built.
Finally a Matsimus vid on the Rafale, just an absolutely magnificent machine.
10:30 it's because passive stealth isn't the only mean of concealing the rafale, there is a system called SPECTRA which lower its radar cross-section by canceling the radar waves bouncing back by emitting waves of opposite phase
Yep, even USAF pilots and radar operators nicknamed her "the Klingon vessel" because of her capacity to become actively invisible... and thus even if french pilots are not alowed to use all of its capacity when training with foreign forces...
This is true. It is potentially useful. However there are ways to defeat this active cancellation. A good option to have but not always practical to use.
Ah the Rafale, my favorite aircraft to used in anchorhead raid.
It's great in the DLC Anchorhead in Ace Combat 7 as well.
@@bigballzmcdrawz2921 Yes, Anchorhead Raid is the DLC mission I'm talking about.
@@danielchew8739 My bad I meant invincible fleet from Ace Combat 4.
Ha I use the F15-E.
@@MrTylerman127 My overall preferred planes for that mission are the F15C & SU57 with pulse lasers.
Nice video as usual.
There was multiple reasons for the French dropping of the EFA program, one you missed was the Navy.
The French navy needed a plane badly.
The Super Etendard was an evolution of a 50's plane (Etendard) and the F8 Crusaders were obsolete.
The EFA was too big not sea worthy and not omnirole.
The EFA was designed as an interceptor which also did not suit the French air force's needs.
A lot of the Fighter bombers were also becoming obsolete like the Jaguars and Mirage F1.
Currently the non rafale aircraft the French Air force still uses are interceptors : Mirage 2000-5 and bomber 2000D
I find it troubling that France has still not purchased enough Rafale to replace all Mirage.
@@stupidburp the mirage 2000 is a 90s aircraft tho . It's different from the mirage III
@@UnePintade Yes, it is not that old but Rafale is better. Mirage 2000 is a good aircraft series designed in the late 70s and introduced in the 80s. Later models were still being built until 2007. In combat when used along side Rafale, the Mirage 2000 showed that it is still capable and will be for some time. But it also showed that it was somewhat more vulnerable and carried fewer weapons. It also happens to be less capable in air to air. If France upgraded to all Rafale, their Mirage 2000 probably could be sold and put to use elsewhere.
lcoudeur One of the other reason was the engines air intakes: Separated on each side on the Rafale, but centered on the Eurofighter. The French military specialists (and engineers) considered that if you have two engines, you MUST have them getting their source of air separated enough to avoid one affected air intake affecting the other. That could be a problem on the Eurofighter because they are too near from each other. Even with two engines, both engines can be lost if only one air intake is damaged for any reason. Just pure logic, experience and all about details! 😉
@@UnePintade 80s
An absolute beast. Glad that Indian Air Force bought 36 of these. I hope rumours come true and another 36 are ordered.
Yes ....but delivery after Swiss Air Force ..!
India has alot of jets. Like the kid in a candy store. Ill take 5 of these, a couple of those, a box of them, uhhhm and a few of these also, oh yeah and let me get 10 of them too. Let me know when these come out I want some of them also For Sure. 😎
@@clavier2560 are you sure the swiss has already choosen ?
@@philv3941 They officially havn't but I bet they will ....
@@charris5700 diplomatic, political and financial urgenies led to such a situation. Russia, France & Israel being close Indian allies we have always tried to source military equipment from these states. But India has a huge need of 600 fighter jets to be fulfilled in next 5/10 years as earlier jets are retired and most of them will be fulfilled by Indian origin fighters like Tejas and AMCA. but presently it is true that we enjoy best of both east and the west. Su30 MKI & mig29 from one side and Rafale & Mirage 2000 from the other 😇😇😇
I'm a tank mechanic, not an aircraft expert!
I'm a tank mechanic, not a naval expert!
I hear Dr. McCoy from Star Trek Everytime you give the disclaimer. 😄
Kirk: Bones. This man is dying. Do something.
McCoy: damn it Jim, I’m a doctor not a... oh yeah... I’ll get right on it.
Damn it Jim! I’m a doctor not a youtuber!
Keith Urban has the best dry homour
“dammit captain, I’m a doctor not a physician”
Damn thats funny
The best Eurocanard by far. Beautifully balanced.
Rafale's electronic warfare capabilities are far ahead of the Eurofighter. It is better at low level penetration than the Eurofighter. It's availability rate is higher, due to easier maintenance. Overall, while the Eurofighter looks better on paper, the rafale has proven to be more versatile and survivable in the real world.
Manas Surya Maintenance is only as good as the army using it.
@@Sedna063 That's a complicated discussion. You cannot ignore the maintenance friendliness of certain equipment over the other. Fighters like the F5 Freedom fighter were far easier to maintain than the F4 phantom. Different engine and airframe designs have different maintenance requirements. Dassault took all measures to ensure the Rafale is easy to maintain, something the Eurofighter designers didn't pay as much attention to. Of course, training and discipline of the ground crew is an absolute must.
@@manassurya2019 They were far easier to maintain but also much less capable. Dassault had to because the Rafale M is a carrier plane - much harder requirements.
@@Sedna063 : I have read this only once, and have no idea if it's true - I have read that after maintenance, the F 35 stealth paint (Over access panels) requires 2 days to cure.
Drew Thompson can’t say. Probably not but we all know it takes a lot
Next up on the list is JAS39 Gripen right?
I hope so, He had a video about Gripen but he had to remove it
@Haribo 73 He has removed it I checked
Le Gripen?
Un fer à repasser qui ne chauffe plus!
Excellent non-bias reporting. I am sad that Canada has excluded the RAFAL, from our options.
Yes too bad but France is no part of the five eyes, the ukusa treaty .English talking people don't like French people everyone knows that (^^)
@@valegendre Yet most of the upper class (apart from those that are German) are Franco-Norman :P I suppose that they're unhappy about the "Angevin Empire" :P
@@valegendre ... and we don't give a hoot
@@valegendre Oui mais finalement on s'en balek de leur traité à la con!!! En France nous sommes capables de produire de l'excellent matériel de guerre dans plusieurs domaines et la liste est longue : avions, hélicoptères, sous marins nucléaires , FREMM, Porte avions nucléaire ,chars Leclerc etc....
it's not canada, it's france leaving the project
Thank you so much for covering the Rafale!
I'll repay you by throwing in my 2 cents;
- unfortunately the rafale (french version) is not equipped with a helmet mounted sighting system.
- the canards look different compared to the EF typhoon because they don't have the same role. Basically the EF needed extra leverage to get those high G, very violent maneuvers whereas the canards in the rafale are used to regulate airflow over the wings enabling it to pull very high angles of attack without losing energy. It's a gross oversimplification but information is easily found on this subject!
- The wingtip pylons can take more than just the old magic-II missiles, you can throw MICA-IR on them too ;)
Lastly, I see that you didn't touch up on the weaknesses of the aircraft so because I believe in humility, I'll do it. The rafale is equipped with a subpar designation pod called "damocles", it's not terrible but it's objectively inferior to american and israeli counterparts.
And they give lift, the canards of the Rafale. Much lower mininal speed which is advantageous for carrier based planes. This also gives them a very high payload and great handling at lower air speeds.
EF is designed for unconditional dogfight. Anything else can be offset by it's strong engines.
And great comment, you must be the only one ever to know of Damocles. I heard that they will get a new pod though, couldn't find something about it though.
Sedna063 yes they are going to replace damocles for the F3R , F4 upgrade
@@Sedna063 They are working on a replacement yeah, not sure when it'll be operational though.
As for the eurofighter, it's an impressive aircraft for sure, it's kinetic performance is just eyewatering. The problem with the EF is that it was designed to intercept russian bombers first and foremost. The result of this is that while it can definitely drop a smart bomb here and there, it's just not the best platform to do so.
I'd like to add that in a guns only environement I'd put my money on the rafale every time, not that it's very relevant to actual warfare... it's just nice to have ;)
T B6 And I would sit myself in an EF anyday for any mission (well, not SEAD against Kaliningrad).
There is a new pod coming up idont recall the name
Edit :the new pods name is talios
I highly recommended you to check out the "RAFALE FRENCH NAVY PILOTS - CHILLOUT" series of videos. they are wonderfull
in greece we love it already! 🇫🇷 🇬🇷
The only modern fighter jet that says "I'm sexy and you know it"
naw that goes to the f15 ir f14
I personally find this plane ugly
Reminds me of that one song I heard in my boomer days.
and i'm slow and shitty cause we are french and we want our plane XD
Eurofighter typhoon panavia tornado
Nahh...that title goes to russian flankers
One of my favorite jets of all time
This is one of the hottest modern fighters around. Love it.
Same. Love the Rafale. ❤
Got to admit I love all 3 Euro canard-delta fighters. I have built models of them all and I like the lines of the Rafale best, then the Gripen and the Typhoon in the end.
Still think the Harrier(GR3) is my all-time fave though!
Thanks for the vid ! A few points :
-> mirage IV is not a scaled up mirage III, it is a dedicated nuclear penetration aircraft (mirage III is an interceptor), with very different aerodynamic and engine requirements.
The mirage 4000, however, is completely a scaled up mirage 2000 and an air superiority fighter (think F15 vs F16 in term of role). It was too expensive for armée de l'air, and the potential customers (saudis) got F15s cheaper
-> The french left eurofighter first and foremost because eurofighter is a no compromise air dominance fighter, the ultimate mig swatter.
We needed an aircraft carrier capable fighter that could do low level nuclear penetration.
Since this is part of our nuclear dissuasion, we were not willing to compromise on that, and there are incompatible design choices coming from those requirements.
For example, the canards of the eurofighter are all the way up front for greater control authority.
The ones on rafale are closer to the wing to interact with it and lower landing speed for CV operations.
EF-2000 are optimised for high altitude supersonic flight, etc, etc...
-> Helmet sight is integrated but not sold to the french air force, no money :(
-> Rafale is indeed not stealth. RCS reducing features were integrated when it was not too expensive and did not compromise other characteristics, but its primary way of avoiding fire is the SPECTRA system.
Can't argue with that. I think France is the only Western nation who's nuclear deterrent isn't controlled or supplied by the U.S. :)
@@thhseeking well yeah it's easy to make nuclear bombs if 75% of ypur electricity comes from nuclear
*Rafale's SPECTRA makes it next to invincible*
*Welcome to the Indian Air Force fighter family*
*India love France* ❤
just don’t let HAL touch it
Yes the EWS brings its RCS to below stealth levels. Plus who is going to intercept a Rafale armed with BVRs?
France loves India too !!!
Pakistan will put your Rafaels to the test. Clearly your migs and Su30s failed.
Pakistan air force is the largest Indian airforce parts distributor.
The french stealth doctrine is simple: no matter how capable your radar is, it can't see through a hill. So the rafale relies on its capability to fly very low to escape enemy radars.
That is incredibly stupid and incredibly smart at the same time.
@@maxiona714 easy prey for MANPADS,but still very unlikely and rare for enemies to have MANPADS at that moment.
Belgian pilots really liked the French Rafale when they were looking to replace their ageing F-16 fleet.
unfortunately due to political games they're now stuck with a couple of F-35's, which are going to cost billions.
And billions, and... Australia's the same.
I'm sure the Rafale is a better plane to fly and look at but I'd rather be in an F-35 when the shooting starts.
Peter Schollaerts f-35A is cheaper than Rafael
@@moonbear2130 depending on the contract F-35A costs high 70 low 80 million € a piece; while Rafale costs high 60 low 70 million € a piece.
Belgian will buy 34 F-35s for 4 billion euros. (15 billion euros for 30 years of support)
That being said I think that small nation needs neither, they just need some very cheap aeroplanes to fulfil their air-policing policy. And perhaps some cheap turboprops ground support planes when they chip in in Iraq or Afghanistan (when they know insurgents don't have planes of their own).
@@drunkdriver Their pretty fucking similar in terms of capabilty, at the moment the Rafale is one of the best plane to be in when the shooting starts
As a born Russian I highly respect the French- back in ww2 we had Free French Fighter Unit and my absolute hats off to them. They even kept our Yak-9s hidden in barnyards lol. Vive La 🇫🇷!!
Dude. You know the Normandie-Niemen squadron still exist and have Rafales?
oh and the Yak 9 you gave to the pilots where taken by force by the government when they returned in 1945 and they where given FW190. So almost all of them crashed in "accidents" where the pilot had to bail out safely and the FW-190 crashed.
@@spartan-ml7nk No, Stalin gifted them and they kept them until they ran out of spare parts.
@Ian read history
@Ian do you even know who are the Normandie-Niemen pilots?
@Ian just, you know that a sizeable part of the population continued to fight inside and outside France right ?
Great video ! You forgot to say the Rafale is the only non US plane autorise to land on US Carriers... witch is a proof of trust in the reliability of the plane to make this complicated task. Also, there is a video on youtube where a Rafale pilot put a F22 in his crosshair, witch is also a proof that it's not outdated yet !! ; )
Well about this cross hair video I think most people get it wrong. It isn't how fights happen in real life anymore. It's all about being the first to see the ennemy on its radar 40km+ away, in short, the first to jerk off. Dogfights aren't representative at all of air combat reality.
Isn’t Rafale the only non US aircraft actually capable to be launched off a US carrier? So it’s exclusive authorization to land doesn’t sound so exclusive really
@@rowanwild8445 Then what's the point of making fighters at all? Just re-purpose the bombers into AAM carriers, voila!
RAFALE, RAFALE, MAYBE, BUT ALL THOSE WEAPONS AND FUEL TANKS HANGING DOWN CAUSES HUGE RADAR EVIDENCE AND THIS PLANE CAN'T REACH NOBODY "DOGFIGHT" 'CAUSE HITTING IT DOWN BEFORE TO REACH A FOE-PLANE.....
@@blupampurio5995 yeah exactly like the f35 .
Fantastic analysis Matsimus !!
Dassault Rafale F3-R, F4-1 super gen.4.5 omni-role fighter jet design... RH💪FR
The funding for the F4 upgrade was approved in October 2019.
Just be sure, as much bad press that the Defense Industry throws at the Rafale, its not based on performance.
In every evaluation where the aircraft were actually flown in actual war fighting tasks, the Rafale has won. South Korea, Switzerland, India, Brazil, UAE andtheNetherlands, when directly compared to Typhoon, Super Hornet, F-16/F-20, F-15SE, MIG-35, SU-30 and the F-35 the Rafale has never lost.
This hasn't always translated to sales.
But like the Captain of the USS HW Bush said after the Chesapeake exercises, it was nice to have the most advanced Naval Fighter in the World on board.
Of course the Secretary of the Navy was livid, but the Captain was retiring in 60 days and didn't have to watch his words anymore.
This has got to be my favorite looking fighter
For me Rafale is the third best overall fighter in the world; and the best conventional fighter if you exclude high maintenance 5th gen fighters
High maintenance?
I will take the gripen still for logistics, but the f-16xl is one contender i wish would prosper though
@@user-pq4by2rq9y I'll have the fiery gust of wind please.
Well depends what you mean by best.
Different countries have different budgets and requirements, personally I think overall the Gripen is the best bang for buck any nation could buy, followed by Rafale and Typhoon and finally Super Hornets, I'm not including F-35's and the likes purely because their cost and maintenance is prohibitive for a lot of nations, in the sense that while they could buy and field them the number would be negligible, countries like the Netherlands and Denmark are running into these kinds of problems to the point where it would have made more sense to go with something like the 4 mentioned above rather than persevere with the F-35 since they had to cut down heavily on numbers to remain within budget
@@marcofava Umm, no?
Ah, her air intakes! That pretty nose cone!! She is like a shiny wasp queen.
Recently a French pilot reached +11 G for a few milliseconds
11g is the limit for display figures in do or die situation the controls allow even more Gs forgot if it was 12 or 13, no point preserving the airframe if it get you shot down
The Rafale is an omnirole aircraft, not a multirole aircraft. i.e. he can do several different missions (ground attack or attack against objective at sea, air combat), without having to return to the base to be configured and then leave.It is one of the few planes that can do this.
Le rafale est un avion omnirole et non pas multirole. c'est à dire qu'il peut faire plusieurs missions différentes (attaque au sol ou attaque contre objectif en mer, combat aérien), sans être obligés de revenir à la base pour être configuré et repartir ensuite.C'est un des rares avions à pouvoir le faire.
Was the requirement for carrier operations another reason for the French withdrawal from the Eurofighter program?
one of the reasons of course.
Et bien le fait qu'il puisse apponter sur porte avion signifie qu'il doit pas être trop lourd mais aussi par ce que c'était le désir du gouvernement Français de posséder un chasseur léger qui devait remplacer a termes 7 types d'avions différents alors que le reste du consortium voulait un intercepteur non navalisé et donc plus lourd.
Il y a aussi la répartition des taches qui ne plaisait pas au gouvernement, en bref la France a estimer que ça leur couterez plus chère que de construire leurs propre chasseur en plus il fallait abandonner le moteur Snecma et le radariste Thomson a l'époque. Trop de contrepartie trop de perte d'argent pour une fiabilité et des performances aléatoire.
Yes, that was one of the primary reasons.
An other reasons is that the British wanted to impose Rolls royce for the engine, it meant the death of the french engine develloper/produced, the Snecma. An other big reason to leave the eurofighter program, was the concept, germany and GB wanted an interceptor while france needed an omnirole/multirole fighter.
No, the reason was the engines, UK wanted to make 2 engines that could communicate, Dassault did not want that, because if one is under fire the other might stop too, so because of many points of disagreement, Dassault decided to build his own jet, but they did not start from the beginning, they had a project started a few years before, so they started with it and made the Rafale, released before the Typhoon.
Great french european war plane, support from Spain.
From what I understood, appart from the place of Dassault in the industrial process, the debate was also in the role of the plane as France wanted a more multirole fighter than an interceptor, and a possible carrier version.
the industrial issues are a bit too old for most people to remember but france crucially wanted something carrier-capable and omnirole, while the rest of europe indeed wanted and interceptor and that's it. specifically germany didn't want to have anything to do with any sort of air-to-ground weaponry.
sadly nowadays the SCAF negociations are really looking like the same mess.
F 15 Eagle: "I'm the coolest looking 4th generation fighter jet."
Dassault Rafale: "Hold my glass of wine "
Matsimus, I heard you struggling several times to spell SNECMA, the name of the firm which designed the twin engines of the Rafale. In fact, in France, we say directly the name SNECMA. You should pronounce it by combining snake with, let say, the two first letters of massive.
Repeat after me: snakema 😉 Good boy! French is easier than you thought...
Otherwise, a very good and honest video.
Tschuss.
Note on the carrier landing AoA: for those who are unaware, the reason the high AoA of 16-18 is considered acceptable is because of the characteristics of delta wing lift. Simply put, the wings will generate an enormous amount of lift at high aoa in exchange for a lot of drag. This allows a lower landing speed compared to a traditional supersonic wing, and also allows for very stable flight even at high AoA.
This also has effects for air combat. When, for comparison, an F-16 would be running out of alpha, the Rafale still has plenty more to give. You kill your sustained turn rate this way, but you get a little bit more instantaneous and substantially reduce your turn circle
Plus you generally want your gun (or fox-twoies) aimed higher while tailing the bandit.
The only jet I've seen display in the UK that actually made me feel ill due to the sound vibrating my chest so badly
You finally made a video about my favorite plane! Bless you matsimus, totally gonna watch this
everyone down a shot every time Matsimus says Raphael instead of Rafale :D
He did call it properly once though :) Or at least once
Nah I just downvote instead.
@@Groaznic good job hahahahahah
wingtip rails can accomodate magic II but are in practice only used for MICA missiles and smokewinders for airshows
One very important think is that the canards aren't lift canards but close coupled canards. They serve a different purpose than the eurofighter's canards, they actually angle downwards during turns, witch generate a vortex that greatly enhance the lift of the main wing. They also makes it much more resistant to stall, allowing the aircraft to fly at speeds as low as 116 knots.
The m-88-2 is the definitive engine of the rafale. The proposed upgrade (named M-88-X initially) was quickly scaled down to 9 tons of thrust, and later abandoned as it would shift the CoM backward, and the current 75 kn of thrust was deemed sufficient.
The navalized rafale M is not that much heavier than the C variant, it's only 600 kg heavier, and 250 kg heavier than the biplace version (only 6% heavier than the C in empty mass, and it has very little effect on performances)
Rafale is approved for up to 11g in emergency situations, and 10.5g in airshow
The rbe2 radar has recieved 2 upgrades since it's introduction, and in the latest standard it have an active antenna, a range >200 km and can scan 40 targets, track 24 target, and engage 8 (simultaneousely)
Video was great, so well documented !
75 with reheat.
Thales Group and Dassault Aviation have mentioned stealthy jamming modes for the SPECTRA system, to reduce the aircraft's apparent radar signature. It is not known exactly how these work or even if the capability is fully operational, but it may employ active cancellation technology, such as has been tested by Thales and MBDA. Active cancellation is supposed to work by sampling and analyzing incoming radar and feeding it back to the hostile emitter out of phase thus canceling out the returning radar echo.
Exactly, in fact SPECTRA can detect every EM waves in the whole EM specter, allows it to"scan" the ennemi planes and findind a counter measure, that s why french are no more invited to red flag because they have been accused from spying with this system
@@randomconnard8338 Yeah that is right. The French were warned twice when caught monitoring EM from other western aircraft. The French were going to use it for marketing the Rafale export sales.
@@teddyballgame4823 yes they have been warned first because they were not using their full capabilities (SPECTRA on) and when they discovered what SPCTRA was they said it was spying(from my point of view US accusing french from spying is a big joke because of what they did ) so french have been not invited since they used SPECTRA as it has been made for. But now rafale has been sold many times so i hope french will be invited again when the other countries will understand that it was not spying for increasing its attractivity.
Thanks Matsimus! Canada needs a new fighter jet (maybe a couple designs imho), and I’ve heard the Rafale is a top contender. Enjoyed this
The Rafale is an Electronic War Fare flying machine and with its SPECTRA system
( top secret ) it’s lethal even for the F22 Raptor.
Great video love um as a American army veteran I eagerly await your videos thanks from all of the military buffs out there
I love this aircraft this and the ssaab Griffin but can't get enough information on them
I've been waiting for this video for a looong time. Cheers mate. 👏
If I can compliment the French on anything it is their missile systems.
Why?
@@hritikjuyal5484 Because the Python system allows off-bore targeting so that you don't need to have your plane aligned behind the other one in order to target & hit the plane. The Meteor system which isn't totally French but has alot of French engineering in it is ram jet propelled allowing fo extremely long ranges while it's senors are excellent in actually hitting your target, even highly maneuverable targets such as advanced Soviet fighters.
@@hritikjuyal5484 the Exocet man, the Exocet
Mat: rafale is just a mirage
The French: vous avez donc choisi la mort
No the mirage 2000 is not still selling, at least not new ones. Production stopped in 2007.
To be honest something I'm really concerned about regarding the rafale is why didn't japan go for it instead of the F-35 ? Japan needed a new air superiority, interceptor and anti naval fighter designed to go on carriers. Although I know it isn't exactly stealth it's still on the very top regarding stealth among 4th +++ gen fighters as its engines were designed to have a really low IR signature ( unlike de typhoon ) and has a low radar indic due to its size and composite. Seriously it has one the most op radar in the world, is A LOT less troublesome than the lightning II, cheaper, is basicaly the only jet that is a true omnirole jet fighter.
Anyway nice job mat
Why Japanese Air Force prefer Fail 35 ?
Politics...
USA can défend Japan with 3 millions GI s soldiers
But France cant...with only 300 000.
And this protection have a price
An high level price : a Fail 35 price.
Same thing with all europeans armies...bunch of sissies. Japan isnt according to his history.
That s all folks
politic of course :))
Politics. All American vassal states will go for F35.
@@sarrumac so France isnt an US vassal
Japan only has small carriers for helicopters and potentially VTOL/VSTOL fixed wing aircraft. Japan has a policy against building full large carriers for political reasons and that is unlikely to change soon. That left F-35B as the only reasonable choice for use on carriers. But, the primary reason they purchased F-35B was for land based operations from small airfields on their island archipelago. It also happens to be one of the only stealth aircraft available to them and is designed for air to ground, which makes it a reasonable replacement for their older ground attack aircraft.
It is not intended to replace any of their air superiority fighters. For that, Typhoon, Rafale, and newer F-15 variants were all considered but ultimately a purchase was not made. At this point, I think F-15X would be the best replacement for their older F-15s since it would be a large leap in capabilities with very little disruption in training, maintenance, or operations. Rafale could fill some of the same needs nearly as well but with more disruption and thus not the best option for Japan.
I'm glad that my country also got these angry bird this year.
Me too my country bought them 4 years ago and was the first export client
Multirole Fighter? Then shouldn't it be named the Default?
Omnirole actually .
When joking I call it the "BCR" - french enthusiasts can understand this XD.
During 1930' that was the name of the project of a plane capable of three missions Bombing, fighting, and reconnaissance ("Bombardement Combat Reconnaissance")
3 planes from 3 companies where selected during the project, became operational, equiped the french air force, and both were pitiful performers and outdated for all the 3 missions XD.
@@tricosteryl ta raison reste bloqué en 1930
@@Fabio-om4kb Ah le con j'te jure !!! Y en a qui ne doivent pas habiter la même planète que nous. mouarf !!! Tu as entièremment raison mec, y en a qui vivent dans le passé !!!
@@MrStrat01 ce sont surtout des abrutis qui n'y connaissent rien et qui se croient drôles en faisant des blagues à 2 balles ...
Wooohooo coolest plane ever finally!!! Thanks for doing a rafale video
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Bonjour, merci pour cette vidéo sur le rafale ! ; )
8:43
"Alexa, fire the missile"
"Add AMRAAMs to the shopping list"
"Directions to the nearest airport?"
First, the mirage 4000 was cancelled because it was damn too expensive to buy and had fixed canards. Basically, the main problem wich caused the split was that we needed absolutely a navy fighter to replace our f-8 crusaders, that phased out in .... 99 and super étendard that followed in 2017...., and that implied weight/power/size limits that the others didn't need or want.Then we needed a very efficient attack aircraft to replace jaguars, super étendard, mirage IV, mirage IIIE and F1 ,wich the european already had with the tornado so they logicaly didn't want to pay for that dev either. So, as it is the Rafale was first designed as a navy pure fighter(F1), that was then stripped off it's sea gear to get the air force model, wich is indeed lighter etc... but the weight gain is limited to the front gear and the hook (400kg).It was then port to F2 standards with ground attack capabilities, then the actual F3+ and eventually F4 with maybe vectorized thrust and HMS, even if its far from probable as the next gen fighter is already on the bench. The politics industrial stuff...yeah but where on earth doesn't it work that way...The stealth stuff, yes it has some stealth physical properties, the intakes are among them.But the key to rafale is more in the passive/active suite Spectra that does the job pretty well actually and is more adaptable in the futur than physical shapes and materials, some say it can aim a Mica backwards using passive detection. The magic II ain't mounted on Rafale since quite a bit of time as Mica comes into IR and Radar heads and almost from start of the aircraft, and is a far more pottent weapon. Nice vid though.
Mirage 4000 was an entire private program of Dassault, and they even had to "borrow" engines from the Mirage 2000 program to fly her. Even the pilot seat was borrowed from another plane. Budget was very low and finally they failed to make any sale to french or foreign customer despite the machine was awsome. But time passes and now we know it was a mistake from french goverments not buying this beauty. Mirage 4000 had a very huge potential for some missions such air superiority, strategic bombing. It had 2 10tons class remaquable M53 engines, longrange on internal fuel, large nose to accomodate a big radar and sophisticated avionics, attack systems and countermeasures. But at that time, french goverments started being stucked with EEC stupid politics and a powerfull France is not in the EEC plans....
@@tricosteryl the mirage 4000 didn't borrow its engine or seat to anyone, it used the SNECMA m-53 and Martin Maker M-10 as it was a direct, simply twice heavier, development of the mirage 2000.The Rafale demonstrator used indeed F-18 engines as the M-88 wasn't ready yet. France refused to buy the first 5 preproduction models to dassault as it already has decided to go along with the 2000 and couldn't afford to support two types for the same tasks, as the 4000 in those days was only better in range and payload and was twice the price of a 2000. Its specific DI radar was dropped in 75, it would then have used the same RDM than the 2000 and therefore would have had any advantage upon the 2000 except on these two points which, for France AD, are irrelevant.When asked why we would drop this "gem" of technology one general said france doesn't need to defend its airspace to Vladisvostok.Then Dassault aimed at the f-15 which one of the main main quality is its outstanding APG-63 and RWR systems, and without a comparable suite, who would have bought it . We were able to produce a good doppler radar only in 1987 with the RDI. With only irakies and saoudies showing interest on the outer market, the production batch would have been a few hundreds maybe less when MC donnell was producing the F-15 by the thousands with the drastic cost reductions it would imply.Therefore it was cancelled and i don't see where EEC had something to do with that, especialy in the eighties.The only external players that could have had interest in the mirage 4000 not going airborn was NATO, as France had to assure a certain volume of available planes to assure NATO operations and cutting offf the numbers in half wouldn't have helped out, but France was quite appart from Nato in thosetimes.Then the US would certainly not have really apreciated France shitting on their lawn by threatening its best fighter sells but then again, a quick interception test flights would have solved the issue quite rapidly. So was it a good plane yes, but not a viable project.Finally, the advanced air to ground capabilities and top avonics suite taht can be seen in the pit today arrived later when it was reused for the 2000-5/9 and Rafale developpment, but the dices had already been thrown on its future.
@@bertrandbarbe245 I wrote the Engines were borrowed from the Mirage 2000 program. They used 2 engines taken from Mirage 2000 prototypes and mount them into the Mirage 4000 prototype. The Ejector seat was also taken from another aircraft and used in another program when the Mirage 4000 was aborted.
You can verify this in the great aviation magazine "Le fanatique de l'Aviation" (issues recently published, this year if my memory is not that bad)
The strengh of the M4000 was that it was literally a double M2000, using as many common components as possible. But if fact, the M4000 prototype, despite its superior engine, aerodynamics and performances, was to stay an empty shell, as no war equipment was available or planed in France or Europe to take advantage of a plane of this size. We can understand this because it was quite unexpected that a european company successfully develop a combat aircraft that big. In addition, France does not have enough infrastructures to handle such big aircraft in numbers in her airbases. Buying this plane would have caused new huge costs, eg develop new radar, develop specific war equipment, scale up infrastructures and supply chain. So this was not only a question of plane price.
Taking a step back, the question was in fact : was it relevant to reschedule the Rafale program later to make it a full 5.0 warplane and start Mirage 4000 to go until 2010...
As we say in France, knowledge is like jam, the less you have, the more you spread...
@@tricosteryl indeed. In what way mirage 4000 would have been better than 2000 except for range and payload as they are exactly the same thrust to weight ratio and use the same tech? Since we had the mirage 2000, what logistical chain change would have it done except for the quantities, we would have half the number of mirage 4000 than of 2000 for the same budget period. What about the mirage IV infrastructures which was bigger and more cumbersome to maintain than the mirage 4000 and posed no problem to deal with and for 40 years. So as i'm french too, i'd reply the more you spread the sinner you get.
@@bertrandbarbe245
"we would have half the number of mirage 4000 than of 2000 for the same budget "
But these planes are different and dont fit the same missions...
M2000 is a short range light aircraft, M4000 is a long range heavy aircraft.
If you put the same limited radar and equipement in a heavy aircraft than in a light aircraft, you are stupid.
M2000 was not intended for domestic market at the beginning... but the Air Force bought it because the european collaboration was stucked
M53 was first designed to fit a M3 class combat aircraft, for instance the development of Mirage Gs prototypes
And as said earlier, infrastructure and supply chain upgrades were more than dissuading issues for a M4000 option.
M4000 requires 3 times the fuel of a M2000
=> you need much more refuelling trucks and servants.
M4000 is very tall and large, it doesnt fit properly in the standard nato shelters we have in french bases => bigger shelters to be buit.
French Air Force only had a maximum of 30 Mirage IV operational at the same time (~60 produced), distributed in only two bases.
Mirage IV operational maintenance is much a slower and long work than a combat aircraft maintenance.
Converting the airbases to the 20 tons twin engine Rafale was a long, expensive and hard job, and the M4000 is a 30tons aircraft...
Despite M4000 was one of the best aircrafts of its time, the French Air Force was not in position to buy it because the french politicians were pumping the budget to feed the european politics.
Dassault really lives their delta wings
Stealthy?......Non.
Sexy?....Oui.
Got to love them Frenchies.
doesnt need to be stealthy when you can penetrate ennemy lines at 200ft 520kt at night in a thunderstorm.
Maybe they took a lesson from Grumman
In fact, there's no real stealth aircraft
@@spartan-ml7nk What aircraft flies at 200,000 feet?
@@Sedna063 200 feet 520 knots
It has just the right amount of "stealth" incorporated. Too much and you are ruining the aerodynamics and carrying capacity, too little and you end up being picked up by the radars from their maximum theoretical range all the time.
Damn sexy aircraft, functional too. 10/10 would like to see in real life.
Nice to see we've gone into which air craft is better
The French left the Eurofighter program because at some point it wasn't going toward what the French wanted anymore.
Too many countries with different needs, only France wanted an aircraft able to land on a nuclear aircraft carrier, able to deliver deep nuclear strikes, and oriented toward bombing rather than dogfighting.
Rafale and Typhoon are both really good aircrafts, the Rafale is the best bomber, the Typhoon would do better in dogfight. But overall, the Rafale is really a jewel of manoeuverability, it is able to do any mission, most of the time with better results than the competitors.
Rafale is a dogfighter, in fact Typhoon and Rafale have been in air to air combat exercises 18 times at Solenzara and ATLC 2009. The Rafale won 16 times and Typhoon only twice. Furthermore Rafale was even able to win vs an F22 in a dogfight exercise, the US denied it at first, but then onboard footage was leaked on the internet. th-cam.com/video/oGuWadoTgkE/w-d-xo.html
@@lordtemplar9274 The Eurofighter managed to kill an F22 too in simulated dogfights, so what. Those are exercises and not real combat.
Finally, a video about this awesome plane!
The 2 seat Rafale is beautiful.
I've actually got a Rafale route just above my house, they fly through a couple times a week
That thing is beautiful. I think it’s nicer than the f16. New fav.
Cold you make the sound better,more clear ? Now is with some echo.
Canada should look at the Dassault Rafale as the replacement for the CF-18.
I completely agree, however Dassault has already announced they will not be putting it up in the bid due to the lack of cohesion with american forces :(
@@Arkayify Canada prioritizes its arrangement with the 5 Eyes and with NORAD. In this competition a european jet (be it the Rafale, the EF Typhoon or the Gripen) stands no chance
@@carolusmartellus2520 You're right. However considering we have the capability to redo the entire computing system (like we did on the F-18) I feel like we would be able to manage it. This is of course is no easy task, but is doable. Either way, that ship has sailed. Even with Saab announcing partnerships with Canadian companies for the Gripen, I believe our government will most likely settle on the Super Hornets. I hope lol
A small clarification on the difference between multirole and omnirole. A multirole aircraft needs to return to base for a configuration change (switch from air-to-air mode to air-to-land mode for example). An omirole plane can change its configuration directly without returning to base. He configures his attack mode directly.
Une petite précision sur la différence entre multirole et omnirole. Un avion multirole a besoin de revenir à la base pour un changement de configuration (passer du mode air air en mode air terre par exemple). Un avion omirole peut changer sa configuration directement sans retour à la base. Il configure son mode d'attaque directement.
Damn those cuts between the clip parts are short. That really messes with my attention :D
Could you do the jf17 block 3 since that's what the rafale will be fighting in South Asia?
He giggled when said ass ram 10:53 lolol
LOL that made me giggle aswell.
No seriously, i want to be reborn so i can come up with a missile named "aim s3x- ASSRAM"
I pronounce it az-ram. Lol
It would be a good jet for the Philippines, but I assume the cost is prohibiting.
Perfect timing Mat! I'm just about to build a model of this beautiful jet :)
What brand kit?
@@Joe_Friday Hobby Boss 1/72
The canard aren't as far at the front because they're primarly here to direct the airflow, not to produce torque. The idea is that it helps with high angle of attacks and low velocity flight (usefull for agility, energy retention, carrier landing)
Hey Matt do you think that Canada should buy this beautiful aircraft
I think either this or the gripen would be good replacement for the CF-18
Canada should buy the MIG 31 😂
@@skuzapo9365 Nope. The MiG-31 would not suit Canada's needs, nor is it equipped for next-gen fights. Logistics would also be a nightmare.
@@jameson1239 Rafale would have been a good choice, but Dassault pulled out. Gripen will need to be continually upgraded to keep up with other next-gen fighters.
F-35 is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be and would be great for Canada because of its communication suite making it able to work alongside US and other NATO forces more effectively and efficiently.
Alternatively, the F/A-18 ADV Super Hornet would be an excellent contender and fighter for Canada because they are basically re-worked and more powerful F/A-18 fighters, so current CF-18 pilots will need little re-training with working with the already combat proven fighter. It has conformal fuel tanks, giving it increased range and the RCS fuselage along with the enclosed weapons pod gives it a better stealth (not true stealth, but harder to detect)
I think FA 18 E/F might be a better fit for the RCAF
the rafale's canards are not control surfaces they manage the airflow on the delta wing, check out refuelling video and pay close attention to them they are constantly slicing air along the plane's trajectory they only pitch drastically when acting as air brakes. you can also see them pointed down during a loop at the end of the video.@12:55
Rafale is another great plane, it is similar to the Typhoon, the French made it a multi-roll from the beginning. it is a good looker for sure.
Enfaite il est plus omni rôle plutôt que multi rôle même si la différence est mince en mission ca donne un avantage :) et pour ce qui est des similitude avec le typhoon a part le look quand on regarde a 40m lol ils ont pas grand chose en commun ;) les canards sont pas au même endroit les entrées d'air sont bien séparé pour éviter qu'une panne d'un moteur affecte l'autre contrairement au typhoon le design et pas vraiment le même et la liste et longue, sans parler de la maintenance rapide du Rafale ah oui j'avais oublié les ailes du typhoon construites dans deux pays différents 😂
Fabio 86 english please
@@Sedna063 google traduction
@@Fabio-om4kb First of all, it is quite impolite to write in French under an english speaking video.
And secondly, the air inlets had to be spaced above for Rafale to have more reserves for their carriers. It ain't optimal for air flow into the engines, a belly inlet is far superior.
@@Sedna063 que j'utilise google traduction ou que vous l'utilisiez cela fait aucune différence. Les entrées d'air ont cette forme surtout pour limité l'empreinte radar, elles ont pas étaient espacé EXPRES pour plus de reserves c'est juste ce design qui a était choisis lors de sa conception qui libère beaucoup de place c'est la toute la différence entre le typhoon et le Rafale. sur le Rafale des efforts on était faits pour que l'empreinte radar soit minime d'où des formes douces et non angulaires.
Magic 2? Which era are you in?
Now that's a beautiful jet. 👍😎
For Canada, Dassault didn't wanted to enter the competition and spend money and time because at the end the US can veto the sale (e.g. integration of the NORAD secret communications system, US can deny a foreign country to have access to the technical data needed to interface this equipment to their airplane).
Eurofighter dropped out likewise. Just politics game. Both jets were ideally suited for Canada's needs. Long range, high-speed, strong A2A and A2G. NATOs finest 4.5 gen jets.
Over all the Rafale is a more flexible design than the Typhoon. Definitely in the air to ground and air to sea roles. It's not perfect but it is pretty good for it's design period and still has room for upgrades.
Yes Matsimus, you did it ! I have been requsting this 😏👍
Rafale should be seriously considered by Canada for their primary fighter aircraft. It is well suited to their mission needs and could be locally produced with local modifications and full tech transfer. Canada has sufficient aerospace industry to build them from scratch. The low observability features are significant and should not be underestimated. While certainly easier to detect than a fully stealthy aircraft, the radar cross section (RCS) is pretty close to the minimum practical level for use with external stores. This relatively low RCS delays detect, track, and lock by likely opponent aircraft which can allow Rafale pilots to get a shot off first, especially if combined with the latest radar available. Particular points of strength for Rafale are good range, good weapons load, and good performance against both air and surface targets.
The other top possibilities should be F-15X and Typhoon T3a+, which are also well suited to the mission needs of Canada but might be more problematic for full local production for various reasons. F-35 is well suited for overseas deployment for strike missions alongside partner nations but less well suited for defensive patrols of the entire territory of Canada and surrounding waters. Rafale, F-15X, or Typhoon would also be able to provide significant assistance for joint operations in many roles, thus those partnerships would not be neglected by opting for an aircraft other than F-35.
Super Hornets are not a very good option because they only really have a cost advantage and not by that much. The F-15X can do everything the Super Hornet can do but better because it has more range, more firepower, more sensor range, more speed, and more max flight hours. Super Hornet only has a very slight advantage in slow speed turns that is negated by pilot training and modern missiles. They both use a similar sensor back end with similar capabilities but the F-15X has a much larger radar antenna and more advanced radar warning receivers.
India should also seriously consider large scale domestic production of the Rafale. A few hundred Rafale would be a much better option than a similar number of Tejas and domestic production could be ramped up nearly as quickly. Tejas isn't bad but there are better options. A 50/50 mix of Su-30MKI and Rafale would be a potent force. Focus on AMCA development for a domestic design instead. Also buy large numbers of Su-34 to replace MiG-27 and Jaguar. Once AMCA is eventually ready, it can complement Su-30MKI, Rafale, and Su-34.
The problem with French fighters is that they almost exclusively carry French ammo. Canada doesn't have French bombs and would have to buy new.
@@Sedna063 Rafale are fully qualified to carry all the common weapons used in NATO. This was a requirement for previous export bids and thus was added some time ago. Canada could take missiles and bombs off of CF-18 and put them on Rafale, no problem. Any odd ball weapons not currently supported could be integrated easily.
@@stupidburp Find me a source please.
Wikipedia English says:
A2A:
-Mica
-Magic II
-Meteor (planned)
A2G:
-MBDA Apache
-Storm Shadow
-ASSM
-GBU series
-Mark 82
-Exocet
Only the Mark 82 and the GBU are currently with Canada.
@@Sedna063 Dassault pushes sales of the default French weapons but notes that Rafale can use others. From their web site: "The Rafale’s stores management system is Mil-Std-1760 compliant, which provides for easy integration of customer-selected weapons." Many potential customers required other weapons. Wikipedia shows only the most common weapons in use and most Rafale are used by France. Not surprising that wikipedia is inaccurate.
Please can you make a video about NORA b-52.
fun fact : in 2009 The Rafael win dogfight training again F22 and Eurofighter..
Just as I was thinking 🤔 a twin engine F-16, you made the comment, she’s definitely a bad girl I’d take to the big dance, keep the videos coming Matt
Rafale... The Best... The only omnirole fighter, combat proven 🇫🇷👍🥩🥩🥩😘
J'aurais pas dit mieux 💪😍
Yess
F15, F18, F16,F22, Eurofighter, F35, All the migs and Sukois, all combat proven omnirole fighters just sayin