I love my winwing F-16! This company is amazing, Fedex lost my throttle and winwing was going to ship me another for free but luckily it showed up and it was worth the wait and money.
Pre-ordered Orion HOTAS Max on June 8th, almost gave up and spent big while waiting (impatiently). Got my restock notice and paid on 7/10/2022. Now waiting on shipment. Don't give up!
Nice. I like this design specially for one reason. You can easily remove the "guts", wash everything in water, let dry, install guts and the stick is like new.
Great products. I love my Orion2 F-18 throttle base, and F-16EX stick. My only complaint was the high shipping costs to North America. Wingwing should get a US distribution center. I'm sure the lower shipping costs to the customer will generate enough increased sales to more than offset the cost of the DC. PS. Please make some Tomcat stuff!
Hello Winwing, How do we place an order if we live in a multi-unit building? I'm trying to place an order right now but am unable to, as others have stated here. I'm entering my address and then a comma, followed by my room number. Your website returns this to me... 1.InvalidSuiteNumber:Suite information was incorrect or not recognized. 2.Resolved:Address can not be standardized. 3.DPV:Delivery Point Invalid 4.ValidMultiUnit:The address does not include a validated suite or unit number. You are losing out on sales because we can't complete the buying process. Please add a suite/room block to your order page, or just tell us how to get around this. Thanks.
Nice review - I ordered mine and missed the fact that it doesn't have a z-axis, and I do not want rudder pedals - so it's just sitting there collecting dust, if anyone has an idea os a workaround other than the rudder path please leave comments. I don't mind putting a warthug grip on the winwing base if possible to get my z-axis....anyone who is willing to sell their winwing z-axis pls DM me...
I can't place an order. It gives me a '1.SuiteNotValidated:Suite information was not provided as input or reference data is available to validate the suite information.' error trying to put in an address
I think its force sensitive based on facebook post. It moves about 5 degrees and simulates the real F-16 joysticks movement. It has the traditional cams to make it like the regular orion if you wish when playing other aircraft and they say the swap takes 3 minutes. You can buy it separate from the orion 2 joystick base as an upgrade or already installed. Its up for preorder now. its 389 with base or by itself 269 as an upgrade part for existing Orion 2 joystick base owners, They also redid their site. I regret buying the Libre base now that arrives in two days 😑
@@LFOD1776 Yeah and the return policy means after deducting shipping and paying my own return shipping Im better off just hanging on to it and using it for a F/A-18 setup, I got everything else for a F-16 and this would have been perfect for it. Looks like down the line my buddies are getting free gear if I can get them into DCS as I dont think the resale of the Libre joystick base will be anything as everyone will want the new Orion 2 and it is made to use extensions now unlike the old Orion which was advised against, Libre has nothing going for it after the new Orion 2 features.
@@StuartBoyer As someone who isn't interested in a force sensitive base nor flying a helicopter, I think the Super Libre is still the superior one due to it having 2 more springs on each axis and having a higher deflection range.
@@StuartBoyer agreed. I don’t think swapping out the guts for helicopter usage is going to be as easy they say. Swapping between two set ups will be much better.
I am trying to order one, but I've been unable to add my address to my account. I get some sort of error with my "detailed address". (ValidMultiUnit:The address does not include a validated suite or unit number). Any help would be appreciated. Also, I can't seem to get anyone to answer a service ticket. I'm trying to order to the USA.
Cool, but how strong is the force-feedback? What software actually supports it? Theses are the most important questions this company refuses to answer. Leaving me to think it's not impressive at all and to avoid this product.
Lol what do you mean refuses to answer. The information is all on their website. The software is their own software, they aren't going to know every game in existence that can or cant support it. A big part of sim hobby is doing your own homework, if you aren't willing to do your homework before dropping close to a thousand dollars on hardware, that's a sign to maybe pick a different hobby.
Just in time huh, I'm in the market for a new HOTAS.
Oh hello ash
I love my winwing F-16! This company is amazing, Fedex lost my throttle and winwing was going to ship me another for free but luckily it showed up and it was worth the wait and money.
Just pre-ordered this. Looking forward to test this on the DCS F-16.
This is going to push all the hotas developers to step up their game.
Pre-ordered Orion HOTAS Max on June 8th, almost gave up and spent big while waiting (impatiently). Got my restock notice and paid on 7/10/2022. Now waiting on shipment. Don't give up!
Winwing- ideas for future products: do some Tomcat stuff and bring back force feedback technology
Nice. I like this design specially for one reason. You can easily remove the "guts", wash everything in water, let dry, install guts and the stick is like new.
eagerly waiting
Great products. I love my Orion2 F-18 throttle base, and F-16EX stick. My only complaint was the high shipping costs to North America. Wingwing should get a US distribution center. I'm sure the lower shipping costs to the customer will generate enough increased sales to more than offset the cost of the DC.
PS. Please make some Tomcat stuff!
Hello Winwing,
How do we place an order if we live in a multi-unit building? I'm trying to place an order right now but am unable to, as others have stated here. I'm entering my address and then a comma, followed by my room number. Your website returns this to me...
1.InvalidSuiteNumber:Suite information was incorrect or not recognized.
2.Resolved:Address can not be standardized.
3.DPV:Delivery Point Invalid
4.ValidMultiUnit:The address does not include a validated suite or unit number.
You are losing out on sales because we can't complete the buying process. Please add a suite/room block to your order page, or just tell us how to get around this.
Thanks.
Damn you! Damn you all!
Nice review - I ordered mine and missed the fact that it doesn't have a z-axis, and I do not want rudder pedals - so it's just sitting there collecting dust, if anyone has an idea os a workaround other than the rudder path please leave comments. I don't mind putting a warthug grip on the winwing base if possible to get my z-axis....anyone who is willing to sell their winwing z-axis pls DM me...
I can't place an order. It gives me a '1.SuiteNotValidated:Suite information was not provided as input or reference data is available to validate the suite information.' error trying to put in an address
I don t understand, this base have a force feedback?
Too bad you will not sell it seperty... =(
Hello, the stick and base can be sold separately higher do the cam and spring kit, thank you very much.
@@WINWING-SIMULATOR I all ready have a base. I'm looking for the conversation kit.
@@shaneduc Yes, you may choose the items compatible with this base in our store, thanks.
Wow too short
Can't tell if force feedback or force sensitive (like the F-16) we'll see in about 8 hours
I think its force sensitive based on facebook post. It moves about 5 degrees and simulates the real F-16 joysticks movement. It has the traditional cams to make it like the regular orion if you wish when playing other aircraft and they say the swap takes 3 minutes. You can buy it separate from the orion 2 joystick base as an upgrade or already installed. Its up for preorder now. its 389 with base or by itself 269 as an upgrade part for existing Orion 2 joystick base owners, They also redid their site. I regret buying the Libre base now that arrives in two days 😑
@@StuartBoyer Yup. Im with you. Just got the Libra a few weeks ago. I feel like a schmuck.
@@LFOD1776 Yeah and the return policy means after deducting shipping and paying my own return shipping Im better off just hanging on to it and using it for a F/A-18 setup, I got everything else for a F-16 and this would have been perfect for it. Looks like down the line my buddies are getting free gear if I can get them into DCS as I dont think the resale of the Libre joystick base will be anything as everyone will want the new Orion 2 and it is made to use extensions now unlike the old Orion which was advised against, Libre has nothing going for it after the new Orion 2 features.
@@StuartBoyer As someone who isn't interested in a force sensitive base nor flying a helicopter, I think the Super Libre is still the superior one due to it having 2 more springs on each axis and having a higher deflection range.
@@StuartBoyer agreed. I don’t think swapping out the guts for helicopter usage is going to be as easy they say.
Swapping between two set ups will be much better.
Is this better than the Super Libra now?
I am trying to order one, but I've been unable to add my address to my account. I get some sort of error with my "detailed address". (ValidMultiUnit:The address does not include a validated suite or unit number). Any help would be appreciated. Also, I can't seem to get anyone to answer a service ticket. I'm trying to order to the USA.
same problem from germoney:(
Me, too. They will have many more customers if they fix this. Just add a Suite/Room box on the order page. Easy fix!
What's a force Sonsor?
does it us the same mount as the super libra?
Nope Libra is proprietary, Orion uses the TM Warthog mounting spacing.
lol that was it wow
holy fuck FINALLY somebody jumped on the expired patents for force feedback sticks
I think it's force sensing
Cool, but how strong is the force-feedback? What software actually supports it? Theses are the most important questions this company refuses to answer. Leaving me to think it's not impressive at all and to avoid this product.
Lol what do you mean refuses to answer. The information is all on their website. The software is their own software, they aren't going to know every game in existence that can or cant support it. A big part of sim hobby is doing your own homework, if you aren't willing to do your homework before dropping close to a thousand dollars on hardware, that's a sign to maybe pick a different hobby.
It looks like this is only force sensing, not force feedback.
Those suction cups are horrendous. Please replace them with something better. Then I'll buy your hotas.