You aren't wrong there mate. I've recently got myself a .22 HW97K. I stripped it down and it needed some attention. I sent it to Shauny and asked if he could sort it out for me..? WOW!! ......Shaun worked his magic on it, and didn't just stop at a basic tune. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he has transformed it into pcp levels! It is silent, smooth, and pellet on pellet with no recoil whatsoever. Superb shooting experience.
@@Aurelius_Mind yes mate. The piston has been lightened, piston bearings fitted, transfer port opened up, comp tube shortened, new spring, bespoke rear guide to fit that spring, top hat, quick release cocking arm pin, tuned trigger, and bespoke silencer/moderator that screws on via a uni thread. It shoots like its engine is wrapped up in cotton wool and silk. The lock time is unbelievable. once I reach the 2nd stage, it reacts so positively. Every pellet will hit a target in a tree at 50m within milliseconds of release. I'm regularly checking it with a chrono. The powercrept up very slightly as it bedded in, but has now settled in perfectly. There is no recoil at all, and it's so quiet. It doesn't appear to be pellet fussy either. I've been experimenting with jsb exact 15.89, jsb Straton 15.89, jsb RS, jsb heavy 18.13, and H&N FTT. The only other pellet I'm going to give it a go with will be rws superdome when I get the time to pop into my local RFD. At the moment it has a Hawke Vantage 3-9 ×50 AO IR scope on it. It is so unbelievably accurate with this scope at 50m, I'm going stick with it. I've slowly built up the distances that I've been testing the 97 with. Started at 25, and went up by 5m at a time. I'm now at 50m, but I know for sure it has a lot more to offer. Not bad for something as quiet as a peashooter, and running between 11.2 and 11.4 , depending on pellet. Its absolutely superb in every way. The work I had done to it was undertaken by one of the best in the business. He is an expert on all springers, but he particularly specialises in HW's. He is very exact with everything he does. Hope this helps mate. 👍
@@jimmy66603 That sounds amazing! I'm in need of mine tuning up and would love to support a gunsmith like that by giving him my custom. How would I go about contacting him?
@@georginaK21 It all comes down to the weather..? Carrier pigeon is statistically the fastest way to contact him, but only if the wind is blowing in the right direction. A message in a bottle is another good way, but again,.....you are relying on mother nature to provide the power to deliver it. Saint Bernard dogs are a good all rounder in any conditions. Write your message on parchment paper with a pen made from the quill of your racing pigeon and secure it in the little wooden barell that is hanging around the neck of your St Bernard. Then go to his place and secrete an insulated cool box full of snow witn a bluetooth speaker built into it somewhere near his front door. Then make your way back to the st Bernard, and cast the audio of someone saying...."help me,....help me,...I'm trapped under the snow, and I'm really scared" The st Bernard's aren't always reliable though. Especially if they get the whiff of a bitch on heat as they plod to his door with your message. Remote control cars from poundland can yield good results, but make sure you use pucker duracell instead of the batteries they offer you at the till. Another one I've had success with is by using smoke signals under a fool moon. It's more costly than the other methods though, cos to be successful, you will need to set fire to 4x lorry tyres, and in order to do this you will need 40 quids worth of premium petrol and 15 quid of premium derv to enhance the smoke effect once the tyres are alight. Hope this helps. Best of luck moosh. 😉
I think it`s know secret why a Company Weihrauch a Historic Company has been out since 1899 and producing not only air rifles but bullet rifles as well and Germany Engineering we all know about The Legend Weihrauch 97k is a Legend and everyone is coping it , trying to perfect it ? The internals are solid no play no loose parts moving around tolerance is tight ! Example : The Gibson Les Paul Guitar Standard Legendary Historic and the Paul Reed Smith plus many others copying !!! I LOVE YOUR REVIEWS EXCELLENT SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!!
@@phillipward4862you need to try a MK1 hw97 25mm I just picked one up an its like shooting a spud gun you wouldn't believe that it makes 11.6ftlbs I don't think it's anymore accurate or not than my old AA pro sport but recoil is lower shot cycle is faster and deffo less hold sensitive
I wanted to buy a TX200 so badly, A friend of mine happened to have it , and also a "German springer" called Weirauch 97 ... I couldn´t get too many bullseyes with the AA, and I was able to hit everything with the Weirauch. The HW97 is a better rifle pound for pound than the TX200.
@@SoberRider78 that's subjective... the loading port of the TX200 is annoying AF with the double safety and all, that disrupts concentration and it's to tight to be comfortable... the wood work and blueing is better in th TX , but the performance difference between them is negligible if any...
So the tx200hc beats the v mach 97 and is very close to the welsh willy, so now lets imagine how good a tuned full length tx would be. I have both and the walther, the 97 is in last place, but I like how easy to load it is, so it can stay.
Ive had both rifles, unfortunately the quality of the tx200 wasnt up to hw97 standards which in my opinion is a great shame.. As for tuning rifles.. i think its like the emperors new clothes, we dont really need it with modern quality air rifles but i suppose they have to make a living some how.....
I bought it second hand. I was told it was standard. It eventually failed on me so I stripped it only to find it had been short strokes with a head extension.
yes and pro.s dont tune a springer with springs its about extra air volume by shortening the piston for extra compressed air . then you shorten the spring to keep it smooooth and legal if your in the uk
Make your own ,the one on the 97k is just a hollow tube ,if you look up how HW moderators are made up ,it's just a few baffles and hair rolling pins covered in felt
+emiliano echeverria - I bought the rifle with it on mate so I don't know where it came from. As for attaching it - it is a simple screw in job. The TX HC has a plastic screw in section on the end of the barrel that you simply remove and then screw in a mod.
The TX 200 HC mk1-2 had the short stroke put in by the factory as standard,the mk III don't and tbh there's nothing between them other than the TX are easier to work on. Have a hw97k and have used a ProSport,not had a chance to use a TX 200 yet but both makes are a dream to shoot. And the .177 always going to be a bit more twangy Vs the .22 because the .177 has to go faster to get the same ft-lb power. Waiting on s Chrono because just done a spring and guide rebuild and it's feeling alot more punch to it. Better safe than sorry. Nice video just goes to show spring rifles tuned are amazing to use.
Hi mate, as you have shot a lot of tuned guns, who would you say would be the best person to go to to have a piston buttoned? I have a Webley Tomahawk that feels a bit gritty when cocking. Cost would be a factor, so if there is anyone that would do a good job but maybe not as expensive as Vmach that would be great. Great video btw, I have a venom stage 1 tuned HW97 in .177 and its a great gun, probably my favourite. I noticed the same as you that it was harder to cock with the Venom/Vmach spring in. But still very smooth and a pleasure to shoot.
+tok716 - depends where you are in the country mate. Paul Short is my choice for custom work on my guns - but he's only 13 miles away from me. Any of the well known guys will do you a good job though. NickG, UKNeil etc etc. Look on the airgun forums and you will be able to contact them :)
yea the HC comes with the short stroke converter as standard or the 2 i have both have had them on from new not sure whether thay make that much diffarance but if it ant broke i say dont fix it
Good straightforward video, I’m going bag myself another springer and it’s a toss up between the 97 and the tx200 but can I hell as make up my mind. I’ll be going for a 177 as I already have the 95k in 22 and two pcp’s in the same, I’ll be putting in my bsa ultramax and keeping my hw110. So it’s going to be decision time, what’s your take on the two?
Jonathan Stones shot both heavily this year & it’s TX for me mate, had a few little issues with 97 involving the rear trigger guard screw, been too tight or too lose effects accuracy. It’s a hard choice but TX is better looking get the full length version as easier to cock & groups well even at 45 yards with practice
Hi shooting dawn. Great videos I'm going to order a hw97k next week for hunting and a bit of range shooting. Do u prefer the 97 in .177 or .22? Thanks Luke
How do you rate the Welsh willy tune mate? I've order a tuned 97k .177 from will he's going to fit the kit and polish everything up. Im lucky he lives 5 minutes down the road from me
The spring and guides in that gun were from Willy, the comp tube and piston were Target Tune. The spring and guides were good but the Target Tune stuff started to self destruct itself and is now in need of a complete re engineering job if it was to be of any use ever again.
Air arms are tuned from the factory . I remember stripping mine and finding their version of a laza glide piston . What put me off was the weihrauch simply had a relube and put back together , it was just a better gun , german engineering is still the best cars guns bikes watches lenses you name it , right through history
What is the noise level of your springers. I have two 97s and a 200, but the cocking effort is terrible and the sound is extremely high. you have very little cocking effort and very very low noise???
The TX200 HC or any model out of the box has internal work done by AirArms. Obviously not the shortened stroke but they've made their spring air rifles run smoother without having to spend money. Yes you can have the TX worked on more but the TX200 and ProSport I've shot out of the box are better than the hw97k I own. But in all honesty both air rifles will out shoot the owner.
shootingatdawn can you expect similar groups of is the hw97k?. I am getting one or the other for hunting and will not be getting a tuneing kit for it right away. any suggestions?
Both rifles are outstanding as far as accuracy is concerned. Tuning - for the HW97 I would recommend any of the spring guide kits as a starting point. They remove any 'twang' and smooth out the shot cycle.
shootingatdawn Any specific kits for the hw97k, the only one I have found is the v match kit. Also could you give me a group size that you have shot with the rifles untuned
@@shootingatdawn my 97 fitted with TbT guide and short stroke kits shoot much better than standard and very accurately (more accurate than me LOL) makes you wonder why they don't fit decent guide sets as standard
+feiz01 - for me it would be a 97 based on the fact that they are more comfortable for me to shoot. Purely a personal preference not based on the standard shot cycles of the guns as the TX is better out of the box.
@@shootingatdawn I believe the Walther LGU is the smoothest out of the box rifle,but lacking in the trigger if the plastic EU trigger fitted,did read that the UK models were fitted with metal ones ,but see a lot of rifles for sale with plastic ones now ,unknown whether their grey imports or if done to save cost ,but seeing their getting more expensive than either HWs and AA rifles hardly seems right
Beautifully tuned Springers .. Sound so sweet when firing and quiet .. Not far off a PCP .Top review
You aren't wrong there mate. I've recently got myself a .22 HW97K. I stripped it down and it needed some attention. I sent it to Shauny and asked if he could sort it out for me..? WOW!! ......Shaun worked his magic on it, and didn't just stop at a basic tune. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he has transformed it into pcp levels! It is silent, smooth, and pellet on pellet with no recoil whatsoever. Superb shooting experience.
@@Aurelius_Mind yes mate. The piston has been lightened, piston bearings fitted, transfer port opened up, comp tube shortened, new spring, bespoke rear guide to fit that spring, top hat, quick release cocking arm pin, tuned trigger, and bespoke silencer/moderator that screws on via a uni thread.
It shoots like its engine is wrapped up in cotton wool and silk. The lock time is unbelievable. once I reach the 2nd stage, it reacts so positively. Every pellet will hit a target in a tree at 50m within milliseconds of release. I'm regularly checking it with a chrono. The powercrept up very slightly as it bedded in, but has now settled in perfectly. There is no recoil at all, and it's so quiet. It doesn't appear to be pellet fussy either. I've been experimenting with jsb exact 15.89, jsb Straton 15.89, jsb RS, jsb heavy 18.13, and H&N FTT. The only other pellet I'm going to give it a go with will be rws superdome when I get the time to pop into my local RFD. At the moment it has a Hawke Vantage 3-9 ×50 AO IR scope on it. It is so unbelievably accurate with this scope at 50m, I'm going stick with it. I've slowly built up the distances that I've been testing the 97 with. Started at 25, and went up by 5m at a time. I'm now at 50m, but I know for sure it has a lot more to offer. Not bad for something as quiet as a peashooter, and running between 11.2 and 11.4 , depending on pellet. Its absolutely superb in every way. The work I had done to it was undertaken by one of the best in the business. He is an expert on all springers, but he particularly specialises in HW's. He is very exact with everything he does. Hope this helps mate. 👍
@@jimmy66603 That sounds amazing! I'm in need of mine tuning up and would love to support a gunsmith like that by giving him my custom. How would I go about contacting him?
@@georginaK21 It all comes down to the weather..? Carrier pigeon is statistically the fastest way to contact him, but only if the wind is blowing in the right direction. A message in a bottle is another good way, but again,.....you are relying on mother nature to provide the power to deliver it. Saint Bernard dogs are a good all rounder in any conditions. Write your message on parchment paper with a pen made from the quill of your racing pigeon and secure it in the little wooden barell that is hanging around the neck of your St Bernard. Then go to his place and secrete an insulated cool box full of snow witn a bluetooth speaker built into it somewhere near his front door. Then make your way back to the st Bernard, and cast the audio of someone saying...."help me,....help me,...I'm trapped under the snow, and I'm really scared" The st Bernard's aren't always reliable though. Especially if they get the whiff of a bitch on heat as they plod to his door with your message. Remote control cars from poundland can yield good results, but make sure you use pucker duracell instead of the batteries they offer you at the till. Another one I've had success with is by using smoke signals under a fool moon. It's more costly than the other methods though, cos to be successful, you will need to set fire to 4x lorry tyres, and in order to do this you will need 40 quids worth of premium petrol and 15 quid of premium derv to enhance the smoke effect once the tyres are alight. Hope this helps. Best of luck moosh. 😉
I think it`s know secret why a Company Weihrauch a Historic Company has been out since 1899 and producing not only air rifles but bullet rifles as well and Germany Engineering we all know about The Legend Weihrauch 97k is a Legend and everyone is coping it , trying to perfect it ?
The internals are solid no play no loose parts moving around tolerance is tight !
Example : The Gibson Les Paul Guitar Standard Legendary Historic and the Paul Reed Smith plus many others copying !!! I LOVE YOUR REVIEWS EXCELLENT SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!!
nice comparison,but would have liked the fps/ft-lb outputs of all the rifles in the comparison
What means tuned and highly tuned?
The Weihrauch HW 97k is superior,than the Air Arms Tx200HC in my opinion.
I had both guns stock in .177cal and sold the Tx200HC.
Totally disagree I currently have both and the tx200 is better
@@phillipward4862 Oh this can of worms again ha ha But its not better than the 77 fella
@@phillipward4862you need to try a MK1 hw97 25mm I just picked one up an its like shooting a spud gun you wouldn't believe that it makes 11.6ftlbs I don't think it's anymore accurate or not than my old AA pro sport but recoil is lower shot cycle is faster and deffo less hold sensitive
I wanted to buy a TX200 so badly, A friend of mine happened to have it , and also a "German springer" called Weirauch 97 ... I couldn´t get too many bullseyes with the AA, and I was able to hit everything with the Weirauch. The HW97 is a better rifle pound for pound than the TX200.
TX better out the box
@@SoberRider78 that's subjective... the loading port of the TX200 is annoying AF with the double safety and all, that disrupts concentration and it's to tight to be comfortable... the wood work and blueing is better in th TX , but the performance difference between them is negligible if any...
@@SoberRider78 my tx200hc is so loud that neighbours called police and was complaining...
So the tx200hc beats the v mach 97 and is very close to the welsh willy, so now lets imagine how good a tuned full length tx would be. I have both and the walther, the 97 is in last place, but I like how easy to load it is, so it can stay.
Walther vs TX ?
Which would you keep if you could only have 1
I like the weihrauch 97 more its loading breatch is easy for left or right handers and i like the length of it ....good video tough 👍
Ive had both rifles, unfortunately the quality of the tx200 wasnt up to hw97 standards which in my opinion is a great shame..
As for tuning rifles.. i think its like the emperors new clothes, we dont really need it with modern quality air rifles but i suppose they have to make a living some how.....
I own a rifle tuned by Welsh Willy, can you provide me with how I'd find him and where he is based. Thank you and love the video.
Are they really that quiet in real life or does the camera's mic limit the sound of the shots? They are super quiet if that's real life!
My tx200 is very quiet and I have the classic version, so I don't have a moderator on the end of it, but there are baffles built into the barrel
My TX200HC is loud ... it scares away birds every single time... the tx200 might be quieter
What am I missing? Title says Highly Tuned TX200 but in the video you said it was bog standard
I bought it second hand. I was told it was standard. It eventually failed on me so I stripped it only to find it had been short strokes with a head extension.
What is the point of having so many air rifles? Boredom maybe?
Do you think the TX is a better gun right out of the box then the HW97K.
HW97K
yes and pro.s dont tune a springer with springs its about extra air volume by shortening the piston for extra compressed air . then you shorten the spring to keep it smooooth and legal if your in the uk
What make and where can I get the suppressor for the HW97 please..
Make your own ,the one on the 97k is just a hollow tube ,if you look up how HW moderators are made up ,it's just a few baffles and hair rolling pins covered in felt
Nice one mate, you in Derbyshire?
Question where did you get that moderator for the last rifle? Did you have to do a lot of modding to install it?
+emiliano echeverria - I bought the rifle with it on mate so I don't know where it came from. As for attaching it - it is a simple screw in job. The TX HC has a plastic screw in section on the end of the barrel that you simply remove and then screw in a mod.
The TX 200 HC mk1-2 had the short stroke put in by the factory as standard,the mk III don't and tbh there's nothing between them other than the TX are easier to work on. Have a hw97k and have used a ProSport,not had a chance to use a TX 200 yet but both makes are a dream to shoot. And the .177 always going to be a bit more twangy Vs the .22 because the .177 has to go faster to get the same ft-lb power. Waiting on s Chrono because just done a spring and guide rebuild and it's feeling alot more punch to it. Better safe than sorry. Nice video just goes to show spring rifles tuned are amazing to use.
Hi mate, as you have shot a lot of tuned guns, who would you say would be the best person to go to to have a piston buttoned? I have a Webley Tomahawk that feels a bit gritty when cocking. Cost would be a factor, so if there is anyone that would do a good job but maybe not as expensive as Vmach that would be great.
Great video btw, I have a venom stage 1 tuned HW97 in .177 and its a great gun, probably my favourite. I noticed the same as you that it was harder to cock with the Venom/Vmach spring in. But still very smooth and a pleasure to shoot.
+tok716 - Paul Short mate. Great work - reasonable prices. His email address is in the description of my HW97 Paul Short video
+tok716 - depends where you are in the country mate. Paul Short is my choice for custom work on my guns - but he's only 13 miles away from me. Any of the well known guys will do you a good job though. NickG, UKNeil etc etc. Look on the airgun forums and you will be able to contact them :)
yea the HC comes with the short stroke converter as standard or the 2 i have both have had them on from new not sure whether thay make that much diffarance but if it ant broke i say dont fix it
Good straightforward video, I’m going bag myself another springer and it’s a toss up between the 97 and the tx200 but can I hell as make up my mind. I’ll be going for a 177 as I already have the 95k in 22 and two pcp’s in the same, I’ll be putting in my bsa ultramax and keeping my hw110. So it’s going to be decision time, what’s your take on the two?
Jonathan Stones shot both heavily this year & it’s TX for me mate, had a few little issues with 97 involving the rear trigger guard screw, been too tight or too lose effects accuracy. It’s a hard choice but TX is better looking get the full length version as easier to cock & groups well even at 45 yards with practice
Help !! I shoot an Air Arms Pro-Sport with hawke sidewinder scope and I’m looking for that little bit extra power any advice would be great 👍🏽
Make it more powerful
Hi shooting dawn. Great videos I'm going to order a hw97k next week for hunting and a bit of range shooting. Do u prefer the 97 in .177 or .22? Thanks Luke
+luke williams all of my guns with the exception of the HW80 are 177. I just use then for target shooting though.
shootingatdawn ok thanks for the reply. I was thinking .177 anyway 👍
How do you rate the Welsh willy tune mate? I've order a tuned 97k .177 from will he's going to fit the kit and polish everything up. Im lucky he lives 5 minutes down the road from me
The spring and guides in that gun were from Willy, the comp tube and piston were Target Tune. The spring and guides were good but the Target Tune stuff started to self destruct itself and is now in need of a complete re engineering job if it was to be of any use ever again.
Nice one, enjoyed that, cheers.
Air arms are tuned from the factory . I remember stripping mine and finding their version of a laza glide piston . What put me off was the weihrauch simply had a relube and put back together , it was just a better gun , german engineering is still the best cars guns bikes watches lenses you name it , right through history
What is the noise level of your springers. I have two 97s and a 200, but the cocking effort is terrible and the sound is extremely high. you have very little cocking effort and very very low noise???
Go to the gym..
Targets?
Spinners. You want videos of them spinning???
Why you no listen
The 97 is the better of the 2 but the mk3 tx200hc is the better looker. In my opinion a sorted 77 laminate is daddy of the lot
It looks so mean, and then it sounds like a pin drop. I want a gun with a big BOOM.
Black powder gun personally recomend :-)
You're not hard .. get out your mums house and get a job mate. . Weird
but you say its standard , but its tuned and its great would have like to see out of the box AA
The TX200 HC or any model out of the box has internal work done by AirArms. Obviously not the shortened stroke but they've made their spring air rifles run smoother without having to spend money. Yes you can have the TX worked on more but the TX200 and ProSport I've shot out of the box are better than the hw97k I own. But in all honesty both air rifles will out shoot the owner.
hey shootingatdawn I have a question how does a untuned hw97k shoot vs the tx200hc untuned?
+Jon bei - I would have to say the TX is the better shooting rifle out of the box.
shootingatdawn can you expect similar groups of is the hw97k?. I am getting one or the other for hunting and will not be getting a tuneing kit for it right away. any suggestions?
Both rifles are outstanding as far as accuracy is concerned. Tuning - for the HW97 I would recommend any of the spring guide kits as a starting point. They remove any 'twang' and smooth out the shot cycle.
shootingatdawn Any specific kits for the hw97k, the only one I have found is the v match kit. Also could you give me a group size that you have shot with the rifles untuned
@@shootingatdawn my 97 fitted with TbT guide and short stroke kits shoot much better than standard and very accurately (more accurate than me LOL) makes you wonder why they don't fit decent guide sets as standard
Ground flax seeds are best, but I do appreciate the hole seeds on the way out. Nice little homosexual tickle 😮
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If you had to choose only one,,,,, 97 or 200 ?
+feiz01 - for me it would be a 97 based on the fact that they are more comfortable for me to shoot. Purely a personal preference not based on the standard shot cycles of the guns as the TX is better out of the box.
@@shootingatdawn I believe the Walther LGU is the smoothest out of the box rifle,but lacking in the trigger if the plastic EU trigger fitted,did read that the UK models were fitted with metal ones ,but see a lot of rifles for sale with plastic ones now ,unknown whether their grey imports or if done to save cost ,but seeing their getting more expensive than either HWs and AA rifles hardly seems right
Sorry got a WhatsApp message while watching your video and some how replied to you not them 😮
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