Jackknifed in the woods
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- Stuck, Bad tires & a full dump trailer of wood we have 2 steep snowy hills to climb and a pasture full of deep snow to get through. We chain the skid steer to the truck and pull it through the snow
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Always love that when something goes wrong, you never get mad and always laugh it off and make jokes.
It happens enough times that you get used to it.
no point to get mad clouds judgment
You find success through failure.
Stan... Do you keep an oldschool set of chains in your truck. On ice lakes ive used them and they bite uhhh a bit but on frozen dirt saved my ass alot
I’m currently working towards buying 5-10 acres and whenever I watch these types of videos it makes me more and more eager to obtain it! Keep up the cool videos
Go for it!
Frank is old school. He ain't gonna let any youngin out work him. Love it. At 63 I worked with 23-37 year olds. Same mindset
Franky still outworks the young guys. Hes a tank- sounds like you are as well.
Goodness Stanley, RESPECT for posting. If it were me I would have hooked up a chain and towed. I used to deal with this daily in BC and Labrador when we had to tow everything from pickups to 200t cranes up. Clear then tow... you can buy cheap truck chains also... used them for years towing heavy loads with pickups up logging roads. Worked incredible. We also studded ours skid-steers tracks for the winter months. For a grand you would be set for these situations...
Stan i like how you stated that you "don't make excuses for equipment". That is a powerful statement showing your unbias nature, and letting the product's performance speak for itself. Much respect!
Thanks Jeremy- I know some people want me to state my opinion but I would rather show the equipment operating in harsh conditions and let people decide if it will serve them well or pass on it.
@@Dirtmonkey major thumbs up to you for that Stan, it's why I've been a subscriber for years. 👍👍
Thank you🙏
@@Dirtmonkey 5 months old and 3 times used, not a strong showing for that chinesium saw pull cord btw!
Can't teach driving like that....saved some serious damage.
yeah- i thought he had some serious skills to!
I like how you don’t sugar coat anything and when I say that, I mean in the sense of even when stuff hits the fan and goes to hell, you show that as well. Gives ppl a better perspective in the sense of how to handle the crappy situations and when one of your guys messes something up regardless to if you had done it first or not, it’s a really crappy feeling and situation and reassuring him it’s all good does help. You’re a good man Stan 💪🏽
Much appreciated🙏
Always fun getting up a hill loaded and it's slick out. I have spined all the way up a hill before in the semi. As long as it was moving I wasn't stopping. Don't want a fully loaded semi sliding backwards down a hill. Should look into full lockers for your plow trucks. Had full lockers in my mud truck and it was a beast never got stuck with it. Of course having a truck like that I got a lot of phone calls at 2am I am stuck and need help.
Idle rpm on the saws could be lowered. Chain should stop running at idle.
My thoughts exactly. Kind of dangerous
Gotta give Alex credit for how well he handled that trailer sliding! Dam!
true BA 👊
Although everyone worked hard there is only one guy who did not stop until all the work was done. Franky is a working machine. He puts the Energizer Bunny to shame.
For the 'next' time, could you have pulled the logs over the first hill before bucking and loading them? Then when you got to the second hill you could have unloaded if necessary.
Stan I like your letting the tools speak for themselves. It does not matter if the engine blows or the pull rope breaks, the saw is down for repairs. It's that weakest link failure.
Franky is a beast when it comes to work- he is 60 years old and no one works harder than him to this day.
The BEST part about this - is the boss cant blame anybody... lmao
I see steel bumpers on Stan’s wishlist.
Guess Nobody thought of emptying the wood in the trailer into the beds of the two pickup trucks on scene ? Its cold.. lets blame the cold.
Yes- l Like that idea. Lets blame the cold. haha
I always thought you where so smart Stan, why didn't you tell them to transfer some of the load to the bed of the truck for extra traction?
I’m sitting here yelling “put the wood in the truck”!!! LOL
@@lonhoschar1943 he said the tires were so worn it wouldnt have mattered.... always make sure you have good tires
That trailer was already applying hundreds of pounds of tongue weight, stacking a little in the bed of the truck most likely would not have helped at all. A set of chains, decent tires, or scraping the ground to rough up the hill would have all probably worked better.
"That's the stupidest thing ever"
Stan: ya whatever.
Best attitude ever! Lol
😃👊 Yep- its my equipment Im hurting after all
@@Dirtmonkey how I see it, it's better to damage or break my own than someone else doing it.
I had the same truck as Franky I loved that lil guy. Mine was 4 wheel growing up partying and 4 wheeling I had all terrains on him and I never ever got stuck. Mine was the same color and everything. Makes me want another one.
added weight in the bed and tire chains, and a winch , Grew up in Maine in a paper mill town, cut wood almost year round for my grandpa, . I retired from the service and have stayed out here in Montana and tire chains and a winch gets you out almost every time.
My uncle was a cop for our downtown area. He told me a story about a lady parallel parking that kept smacking bumpers and she said”they call them bumpers for a reason”
Hahah ah geez 😂
Amazing anthology on how Pollocks collect firewood!
lol- like a documentary 😂👊
Nice one Stan. Frankie looked pissed when you had to empty some of the load. 😂😂😂🏴🏴🏴
Im sure many of us were saying go go go 👍🏻
Glad yall got home safe
Haha appreciate it ❤️
I'm pretty sure if you would have stacked a bunch of wood in the bed of the truck it would help
It would have but those tires wre so bad I still don't think we could have gotten over the second hill and just got stuck at the bottom.
@@Dirtmonkey you'd be surprised shifting that weight onto the drive tires instead of it trying to pull.. Still may not have worked but would have upped the chances all around
@@farming4g plus having less on the back of the trailer would also increase the tongue weight
Having a significant load in the truck should have made a lot of difference for traction, weather braking or for pulling the load.
The main thing is, everybody had a good time and no one got injured, as long as Stan doesn't mind the equipment damage. Some of those processes might have been discussed in advance so everyone was on the same page, for sure when taking off with the load.
I agree Stan has a great leadership style! I've looked at the first 20 or so comments--why hasn't anyone mentioned tire chains? All you would've had to do is chain up 2 tires and it would've been enough. 4 tires chained would've been no challenge at all to drive out. And the logs that were unloaded out of the trailer could've gone into the back of the truck where they would've helped improve traction to the driving wheels, but by far the most effective action is simply chaining up even if the chains are only used for this one adventure they would've paid for themselves.
This video is the poster child of why to invest in good tires like the nitto ridge grapplers
For me its the fun watching the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly !!!
I thought that trailer was going right into that truck bed when I jack knifed got me some adrenaline rush
I watched in disbelief. I thought for sure he would wreck harder than that
Great content Stan, always enjoy the videos!!
Glad you enjoy it!
Love your company . You guys do beautiful work. Watch you guys all the time . Shout out from Canada.
I see all these suggestions on what stan should have done. But in real life sometimes you just dont think of that perfect idea until later. I love that he doesnt hide his mistakes he shows them and shows that you can work thru them with a great attitude and a light heart. And that is the true lesson in all of this
If you ever thought about testing out chains for vehicle this would have been a perfect video Haha
Yes- this would have been perfect for that
Glad you recorded all of that it was very amusing,and those saws look like they be pretty good for somebody just starting out cheap investment to start making a little money thanks again
Glad you enjoyed it and good point with the saws. They work good for the money.
There are days when you're going to work and then there are days when you're going to learn. This day was a day to learn.
Wise words.
Always fun dealing with snow and ice.
I've seen a couple comments pointing out two very helpful things that could have been done.... moving those rounds to the back of the truck and investing in a pair or two of tire chains. They run about $150-200 for a good pair of V-bar 4 link and $300 up for v-bar 2 link (a cross bar of chain every other link of the side chain). I wouldn't own a plow truck with out 'em just in case.
I really enjoy that u don’t sugar coat or make excuses for equipment when they break or malfunction.
Thank you! Im not hear to do that- just show how it works or doesn't work. Let the chips fall where they may
I've put a tow hitch on my excavator for times like these , real usefull f gettin materials out on site to
I have no regrets in buying my stihl ms661 r-cm last spring. Runs great no matter how cold or hot, and how humid or dry it is. Yes it's bit more saw than someone who uses it for firewood processing, but it was worth the investment in time saving and weight loss lugging it around 😀💪
Please don’t take this as a negative comment, I’m not sure how viewers are supposed to give an opinion on a tool that your guys are using, but I do have a few thoughts and theories about tools, in this case the chain saws, if your buy a saw this inexpensive you should expect an issue or two with it like the pull rope breaking, that’s an easy fix and you can up grade the pull cord to better quality and you may have to up grade the fuel line it’s probably cheap stuff too, other than that I think it would be a decent home owner saw or small business saw, I don’t think it would be a good everyday saw just a small project when you need a saw, that’s my two cents worth
I'm surprised you didn't get new tires for the ford after it got stuck a few weeks ago in the parking lot.
I put them on right after this.
@@Dirtmonkey What tires did you go with? Get back out there and test them out! For science!!
What brand did you go with?
That poor truck 😧
We weren't nice to it.
@@Dirtmonkey 😥
You being amazed in the wilderness is like me being amazed seeing the architecture down in the cities being from a small Minnesota town up as far north as you can get without going into Canada.
Great video Stan. It doesn't get any more real than what you have shown to us. Great testament to hard work and determination to get the wood out of there. Thanks for the effort.
Glad you enjoyed it Ken! have a great week ahead.
some day you will see value in tire chains for all four wheels
I see it now but can't safely use them on the asphalt lots we plow
I run chains on my 57 Jd 520 and i move a bit of snow and my chains are junk straight bars that the chain on my right wont stay up on the lugs. I want new cross bar duo chains ( believe thats correct name) that form a box on top of thread.
@@tractorboy31 this is the chains I have used for years help get me out of sticky situations also put them on while plowing wet heavy snow pewag chain square-link-
@@Dirtmonkey not talking pavement unless iced over but I still carry these where ever I go mud, snow and ice th-cam.com/video/O2iqW3EjGfA/w-d-xo.html
that's on all four tires
Hopefully if people get anything out of this video it's that you need good tires. On a side note how long have you been plowing lots? By now you should know that you should have good tires.
Nice keeping those Li-ion batteries warm and toasty for the drone and cameras is helping lots! Thumbs up!
We have the same problem with one of our cat doors. I will say though I am impressed we have not broken a door. We do a ton of demo and tree work and the door has taken a few good blows. Saved the operator a couple times.
Must be the plexiglass option you own then?
Stan I can’t believe that you don’t have a set of chains sitting around for each of your plow trucks just for emergencies cheap insurance and in the first video you loaded the asv but it turned into a cat when you unloaded
Yeah- Tim needed the ASV so I took the Kitty.
@@Dirtmonkey my newholland door did the same thing ordered a new latch works fine now
Agreed, chains are annoying to put on but will save your ass in a bad situation
@@wasteoftime727 I used to have a extra set of tires with chains and just switch to them when needed
@@robertvannicolo4435 I have a set of chains for my 2wd van and they are a game changer, not quite but almost as good as 4wd
You really need some all terrain tires.
I put them on after this happened.
@@Dirtmonkey AWESOME! What did you go with? Bfg's I hope. Theyve served me well for over 10years. (Multiple sets)
I just got my gs660 today and plan on picking up a 42" bar and chain and like a 28" too. These bigger saws are ment more to cut tree's down not really to limb and cut firewood! Also great saws for chainsaw mills!
There's definitely some stuff you should replace right away but other then that just slowly switch all parts to stihl and soon enough you got a ms660 for $600
It's like trying super hard to carry all the groceries inside in one trip, but then dropping them all while reaching for the door lol. Gotta love it!
Pretty much!
It could of been way worst. You could of not had the skidsteer at all.
I would have never made it back there without it.
Could have been cheap pull cord, also could have been pull starting on an angle causing wear and tear on the rope. Made that mistake on a toro mower and snapped it pretty quickly
It sure could have been one or both.
If a pull start cord is the only worry on a motor that is tossed around constantly then you are in good shape, easy fix... the internals on the knock off brands are what worry me, I own a harbor freight predator 670cc and the other day noticed what looked like a metal bb on the floor underneath it, I assume it came out of the shaft bearing
Woke up pre-dawn yesterday, looked out my window and realized my home here in Kentucky had been mysteriously Twilight Zoned to Minnesota.
Did you get a bunch of cold and snow?
@@Dirtmonkey Yes sir, both, it's snowing as I write this. We usually only get 3 to 4 inch's of snow the whole winter, we've tripled that in one long event.
I like these firewood videos!
Stan you need to get the stihl and the clone. Same exact model and do a side by side comparison.
I like that idea. I almost did that for this video but then opted to just work them hard and see what happens.
I’m just glad no one was hurt man
Only vehicles were harmed in the making of this video.
Been there done that. Nice to see vetreins still learning. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching! It was a fun time when all was said and done.
Stan, a couple of things
Why don't you have a strap or tow rope? They work great for pulling logs and trucks. Chains break and break things.
You need some new tires if you are going cross country.
Glad you picked some warm weather to go up north, it was -40 up there this weekend 🥶
I'm glad to see no one got hurt and the damage was kept to a minimum 👍
There's this modern device called tire chains that we use in Alaska that would have helped. 😄
Just try letting some of the air pressure out of your tires as long as you don't let too much out to pop the beads and you can always fill it up at the next station or if you just keep a portable compressor in your truck
When it snows or gets icy I go from 80 psi down to 35 and I have no problems
I think you should be optioning your trucks with the limited slip diff.
Yes- good point-I plan on doing that.
Holzforma has been making replacement parts for Stihl and Huskies for years and has recently been selling complete saws, They have theire problems which were fixed using OEM Stihl parts starter rope, oiler pump, gas line, yet still seeing a substantial saving over a Stihl saw, G444 vs my 30yr old Stihl 044 it has been cutting wood for the last 6mths 10 full cord dropped and bucked into fire wood. Holzforma also has a line of bar and chains out now.
Those cheap chainsaws are more reliable than a volvo skidsteer!
You guys should start replacing the parts that break on that saw, like the pull string, with Stihl parts and see how the price difference looks like in a few years.
Also I think you forgot the links.
I did forget them- Thanks for the reminder.
The one time I would say tire chains, MAY have helped....
or a Chevy....
@@leadnsteel1428 don't think would make difference if it had the same tires?
@@jimmymcclelland3727 it was a joke
I’ve slided backwards down a hill in a dump truck with a backhoe on my float. My foreman used the back bucket to push us up the hill. This video reminded me of that. Good job men!
Oh man- that sounds very scary.
I've ran Stihl, Husqvarna, Dolmar, and Echo saws...Looking at the videos, I would say that these saws would be ok for the average homeowner that might use their saw 3 or 4 times a month. For a professional, there's no substitute for having good, well maintained equipment.
Thanks for the tips!
It will sound mean but with such a title, I couldn’t wait to watch it. Your misery is my entertainment. Sorry, I love you man 😗
It was a fun but jacked up time.
Some real tuff farm boys right there, throwing firewood in the snow and cold without gloves!!!
I prefer no gloves whenever possible. They get in the way.I think the other guys feel the same
Stanley reviewing anything..... It seems like a decent palm sander but how about we test it on making this Chuck of granite into something...... Well it either I'm extremely impressed because it work. And then it I'm pleased even though it broke it's worked great until... But it's not designed for that..... And then it's the well this is what it is you have seen what it can do, if it will work for you there you go. LMAO I love it.
Safety is doing things so no one gets hurt. So if no one gets hurt it's safe.... It says this in the front of the osha safety manual. And yes I don't like the rest of that sentence or the next few so I ended it with 3dots
Hi Stan. Hope your day is going well. I think it’s hilarious how you keep correcting everything that went wrong. The whole time you were trying to climb that hill I kept thinking in my head “ play stupid games,win stupid prizes”
hahahahahahah- YES! That was me exactly.
Gee Stan, sure glad OSHA isn't watching your great videos. Just a few possible violations- LOL 🤔
Ahhh you just gotta hit it. That’s my motto at least...
Yes- just punch it. haha
@@Dirtmonkey as I always...more skinny pedal..hahha
Great video gotta love mother nature at least no one was hurt for your equipment getting damaged u had a good attitude about it most ppl probably would of freaked out
Stan love the videos not sure if I've commented before but please get some tires on the Ford. Whoever is responsible for that. Anyway most important no one got injured past the Ford which is repairable and made it back home. Good luck with your upcoming tasks and hopefully the outcome is no injuries and making it back safe
The idle is way to high on that 660.
A rear locker would've went a longs way in that situation.
fully agree with you
Lockers are sketchy on slick snow... they have more traction, but when the slip, they tend to fishtail or spin. Open diffs just spin tire and stay relatively straight.
Lovin the longer Videos!!
in the woods, chainsaw videos are my favorite
Instead of that weak “fraud “, use your RAM with POWER WAGON tires. ......
Can confirm that a Ford does better in these conditions than a ram. Front and rear lockers. My comparison is Ford F-350 extended cab gasser vs Ram 3500 crew cab. Both regular beds.
@@samhaben6905 any truck with front an rear locker will do better
Pulling a loaded trailer with an empty pu? wtf?
Thats how we normally do it.
Non normal conditions require warm brains....lol, fun stuff Stan and another entertaining chit show!!!
What do you mean empty pickup? There is probably a 1000 pounds of tongue weight on the hitch. Just like carrying weight in the bed. Bad things will happen on slippery surfaces no matter what.
1000 lbs of toungue weight is pushing the truck going downhills and is being pulled up hill. Tounge weight is different than load weight. Load weight in the truck equalizes to a large degree the load weight of the trailer. With the large load weight in Stand trailer, he has the tail wagging the dog almost literally with the truck being the dog. I absolutely agree that the snow and ice have a lot to do with the issues at hand as well but weight and weight distribution definitely come into play as well and being a little more cognizant of that, in my opinion would have gotten that puppy over the hill and much less likely to jacknife.
@@justinbodey7962 I agree, even having all the guys hop in the bed of the pickup for some extra weight over the rear tires might have made the difference in traction with a running start, my dads old tiny Nissan pickup which was basically one wheel drive would get up any hilly snowy road while awd subarus were crashing off the road... besides the drivers of course, the difference being how skinny his tires were and the ratio of weight to surface area, wide tires on 3/4 ton trucks like stans basically are only floating over the snow and not sinking down to grip the hard ground
That dude has been trying to defend these saw since the first time he mentioned them. LOL.
All you had to do was take some of that wood and throw it in the skid steer bucket and put that wood in back of the tow vehicle then try it. The extra weight in the pick up would do the trick.
OH BOY, I CAN'T WATCH THIS ANYMORE....
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DUMP THE WOOD ON THE GROUND...
YOU NEEDED WEIGHT IN THE BACK OF THE PICK UP TRUCK, OVER THE REAR AXLE..
THE TRUCK WOULD HAVE CLIMBED THOSE HILLS WITH LITTLE TO NO PROBLEM
Yeah that and some new tires would have helped out
That's why you buy Heavy Duty Equipment and not sand box toys
Maybe get a set of winter tires on separate rims and carry chains with you in the winter months.
This why i want to take a 4wd f650 and put a second dual axle under it, more weight so its effected less by the kenetic energy of loads and 10 tires, in the shortest possible chassis configure. I may end up doing it with a f450 or 550 though, either way im gonna have a kitty cat in it and probably paint it dewalt yellow, stihl orange or black heavy bumpers and big blue kobalt boxes on the bed on three sides around a 5th wheel if possible or build a custom western hauler style bed for it. Man.... dreams... also and onboard compresser would allow a person to air down and back up!
The wall looks great
Thank you!
It was different. Good video.
Glad you liked it!
There are these things called snow tires, they are great for snow plowing because they are a softer compound and actually get grip on snow and ice.
New tires went on right after this
Stan Have you tried a set of tire chains for the woods??? We run chains as soon as we get packed snow/ice. Spinning tires fast on ice and snow usually does not gain you traction. The spinning melts the ice/snow and creates a water bearing at the point of contact. So we put the pickup in low range and install the tire chains. With the speed limited we do not have to worry about making the chains be real tight. Running in low really helps the pickup truck too.
As for the Chinese chain saws. A friend of my oldest son has two of them, Holzfforma chainsaws 660s. They are two years old now. My son and his friend cut 40+ cord of wood each year. My son is using two Stihl 066 magnums saws that I bought new in the mid 1990s. The first year they kind of cut the same as the Stihl saws. He had to tinker with the Holzfforma saws to keep them running correct. Carb adjustment seemed to vary. This last fall (Second cutting season) , The Holzfforma saws started losing power and became almost impossible to cold start. When we checked them both, each had low compression. When we disassembled the saws, the pistons and cylinder bores had worn badly for the hours of use. I ordered US made after market pistons that where close in size. I modified hardened steel sleeves for the bores. I honed matched the pistons and bores. The saws ran like they did when new. Then around Christmas the saws began to run funny again. This time the trouble was the Carburetors. The throttle shaft bores and shafts were worn to where they caused vacuum leaks. We adapted OEM Stihl carbs to them both. They are running OK again, for now.
So in my opinion the Holsfform/Chinese Saw are built with lower quality materials. I think if you do not use them a lot of hours then they maybe OK for your use. If your going to run them hard then I say buy a good used Stihl/Husky saw if you can not afford the price of the a new Stihl/Husky saw.
P.S. Our two Stihl 066 magnum saws are over 25 years old. Three years ago we put in new pistons and rings. We rebuilt the carbs then too. Other than that those two saws have had zero mechanical issues in the entire time we ran them. So with oil/gas, bars and chains a good quality saw will last/work for you a long time.
That makes sense. they must be using lower quality parts that match the fit but not the quality.
sitting here in my warm garage watching your awesome video and I keep looking up on the wall and I see my tire Chain You need a pair of tire chain on the rear of your truck
I needed them that day for sure.
Those chainsaws look like they hold their own👍. and for the truck, it can be fixed . As long as nobody was hurt, I call that a good day. 🙏
Well maybe Alex's ego was hurt a lil bit.😂😂😂
It was a great day- we all had good fun and went home safe. all in all I say it was ok. Have a great Week by the way.
You do the same my friend.
I see you now have drone footage! Nice Chopper sound effects.
Thanks 👍
Very entertaining , thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Next time lift the bottom of the trailer with the CTL as the truck climbs the hill. It will place more weight on the CTL for traction, and take weight off the truck. Works like a charm and you don't bend as much metal.
Hey Stan it's your friend Rocco from Connecticut I really enjoyed the video reminded me of doing similar work with my father at our place in Vermont those were the best days well stay safe my friend thanks your friend Rocco from Connecticut
Stan on my Stihl MS 391 and MS 170 I have owned them this November 5 years and no pull cord failure knock on wood and a tip for you to avoid a jackknifed situation like this in the future remove the plow so you can take a chain wrap it around the front of the frame by the suspension components on both sides for equal pull and another chain through the tie down loops on the skid loader and pull it up like loggers do going frontwards
Nice- 5 years and no issues with your saws? Thats great to know. That hill the truck was trying to go up was so slick I couldn't climb it with the skid steer. I was trying to go forward and sliding down backwards.
Without the plow there wouldn't have been enough weight to put any traction on the front tires to make it halfway way up that hill. Literally feet from the the top, almost had it though.
That was quite the adventure. Great video! I’m a big fan of CAT skid steers. I run a 299D and love it. Glad yours is performing well also. Really appreciate all that you do!
Glad you enjoyed it! The Cat 299D is an amazing machine. I am jealous of you
Set of 80 dollar tire chains would of been gold.
yes they would have
@@Dirtmonkey I do enjoy the channel. I own a salvage company over in Eau Claire Wi "Jacobson Salvage LLC" if you ever find yourself in need of a helpful hand in my area give us a call.
Great video.
I have a 5 speed 2008 ford Ranger 2wd (I know who buys 2wd in Colorado, but the price was right) I was at my sisters and the parking lot at her apartment is SUPER steep and icy, as I was backing out of my stall got to the point where I need to start pulling forward so I don't hit the BMW parked behind me and I couldn't get traction! every time I started to come off the clutch I was rolling closer and closer. I was getting more and more concerned finally my dad got behind my truck and was able to push enough for me to get enough traction to get started and get up that hill!
It's always easy to critique something later but lets all remember that they got out without toooo many problems and I'm sure learned a little something in the process.