Ive built a couple of those farmertec saws in the past. The trick is to get the unassembled version which is a box of individual parts for $100 cheaper and you build it yourself. That way you can make sure everything gets deburred and goes together quickly. Another good trick is to replace any questionable parts like crankshaft bearings with OEM Stihl because its all interchangeable.
I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
I have a feeling Franky wouldn't want a new pick up you can kinda get that feeling from him. However if Stan were to get him a new truck since he loves his 1/4 ton crew cab s10 a new ford ranger would be right up his alley especially since they are awesome trucks or if he's a die hard Chevy guy a crew cab z71 Colorado would be good for him to even tho IMO the ranger is a better truck.
Yeah there's nothing like going to work with a good friend everyday it just makes the day that much more interesting love the channel and everything you guys do for the community.
“Don’t hit yourself in the nuts” always good advice. Pick up one end of the log when skidding them, keeps you from getting dirt the entire length of the tree so your chains last longer.
Always enjoy the longer videos. Made me chuckle when you said "in the woods with no adult supervision." I hope everyone who reads this has a blessed day and stays safe.
"the colder it gets, the harder work becomes". Last year's cold snap. I blew a tire valve (NEVER had that happen), and blew 2 tires. This year's cold snap, I had my own, and my mother's furnace go out. I'm starting to hate winter XD.
Great video, great way to test the Chi-com chainsaws. You boys dont mess around! I have been using Echo chainsaws for a few years steadily in my landscaping business. We do a decent amount of tree work in the summer and winter months. I climb with an echo and if we get a couple more decent snow storms I am going to pick up the new echo 7310.
Stanley, to go off topic a little. Rather than 4 ratchet straps to tie down the skid steer, I used 2 and one chain. I generally hook up my front chain fairly tight. Then I pull the equipment back to tighten the chain. Only 2 ratchets are added in the rear. Cuts the time in half.
I’m a dealer for these saws I’ve had good luck with them have about 500 in service daily have some tree company’s running only blue saws now. A oem carb makes these saws last twice as long. When guys break them it’s mainly due to them not reading the manual and running the wrong fue mixture. They need to be run 32:1
Love what you are doing. Let you know that I was raised every bucket has a chain hook welded to it for that reason. Thanks for the hard work. Take care
Very few channels make content for it's viewers to better themselves and their lives, rather they do it for clicks and sell their crappy merch. Stan makes every minute of the day count. Nothing comes easy in the real world. Hats off to you and your crew, you're doing things right Stan.👏👏👏
Ok so we had a windstorm here a couple of weeks ago, and a few of our big trees came down. I only had a 12” 40v chainsaw; and that wasn’t quite big enough to handle the trunks. So, on the basis of a few TH-cam reviews from some guys with judgement I trust, bought an Atlas 80v 18” chainsaw and two batteries. So far, it’s working well... it runs for about an hour of almost continuous cutting per battery. The chain is compatible with an Oregon S62 available at my local Lowe’s, and although I haven’t tested it yet, it looks like the bar is compatible with an Oregon bar as well. I’ve been loading the cuttings into a dumpster with my GC1723EB subcompact tractor; and that’s been working nicely as well.
Even though I'm not a chain saw guy I fully enjoyed this one. Can't wait for the next. For me the best part was the chopper audio over the drone footage, followed by the way that Alex would roll the logs and you would catch them in the ASV bucket. ...and yes, that was a close call for Alex, especially given the fact that he wasn't watching. Close calls can be good teachers. Thanks again.
I run a stihl ms460 for my own firewood. My understanding on those knock offs is the longevity is no where near the life of a stihl. The internal parts are cheap and wear much quicker. I would rather buy a tried and true pro saw..
I love stihl saws, still run a 70s av model and an 80s av model, one is 58cc and the other is a 62cc. But I don't have a single stock saw my firewood lineup, I should do some videos of crazy modded poulan saws I run, and my one of a kind jonsered that was found at a garage sale in a junk pile and made in to a 90cc beast!
I'd tend to agree with you, buuuuut you can buy 5 saws for the price of one. Even if they die on you every 5 years, you can buy another. My lowes husqvarna special for $300 has made me so much money in the last year its used almost daily. I think this chinese saw would be a great starter saw for someone who just needs a saw to last them a few years.
@@lehelparsons6059 my poulans I play with seem to just keep going after a simple woods port and I pull the spark arrestor screen and add a couple more holes to the muffler, I also pull the california caps off the high and low speed adjustments and slot the end of the screws, and when I'm really bored I pull the flywheel and balance them, 50:1 klotz, and a fist full of fury! I have a 5020 pro that has eaten close too 100 cord and only gained compression
I have a G660 kit saw I built and chainsaw mill with. I have muffler modded, no basket, and a mild port job on it. It runs great. It mills just as good as my real MS660. I run mine at 50:1 Stihl mix just like the rest of my saws.
❤❤ Stan, I think you can turn down the pressure on the asv. They are designed to run hi pressure, hi volume for tree mulching. I have seen 8 in trees get ground into mulch. Ask your dealer if they can come out and dial it down. 👍👍
Ya i know this video is about a year and half old but it was after 5 videos I was like well this is consitantly sweet channel. Always a cool thing having a channel come along with history of quality you never saw before and can just enjoy the back log. I choose this one to comment as I watched an early one and say the sweet Kratos art and here see DBZ arts on the phone and just tech nerding on video quality really a great reminder never judge a book by a cover. Key here is you are an incredible story teller in the words, in the editing and the visuals. Clear also seems your an incredible boss so cheers to you!
I think the question is always "how long is it gonna last". Price isn't always everything. Huge difference between homeowner running something few times a year vs professional running something 12 hrs/day 7 days a week for 3 months at a time.
@@tylerlagreca9068 Cool. Thanks for the info. It's like aftermarket parts for you car: sometimes they last, sometimes they don't. OEM is not always better, but ther is a lot of $$$$ behind their design. I'm an enduser, don't have any skin in the game but hearing success stories is always good. Thanks.
I have a 660 clone saw I assembled from a kit. If you put some extra care in assembly going over the pieces and break it in properly you can end up with a nice saw. I have 30 hours of nothing but milling lumber on it and still runs like a champ. I also have used their parts to repair many old Stihl Saws that were otherwise going to be discarded and they are all back to life running great. I like that Stanley added the helicopter sounds to the drone had me fooled for a second.
I got real experience with these saws. I got the chinese 660. 50/50 in my book so far. I had it lose a piston pin circlip at the 4th tank of gas and trash the top end. The chinese sent me a new piston and cylinder kit free so I could fix it. It's running again but with not too much use. I got 2 of the 372xp clones and they aren't bad. They been doing the job for a year now. I sell about 50 cords of firewood a year and heat my house. I also got a hydraulic band mill and saw lumber from pine and hemlock I harvest. The 660 does run good right out of the box and is a beast.
Sounds like they got you the parts after it had problems. I wouldn't expect them to do that. Maybe their is more to this company than just selling knock off saws? is their customer service decent?
@@Dirtmonkey Their customer service is in China and you gotta e-mail them with a language barrier. Shipping from China takes a while too. But hey, they sent me the parts to fix it at least. Can't complain there, although it should have never happened with such a simple stupid defect. I guess the wrist pin clip was a problem on allot of their different saws for a while. There's video's about it. You can order parts and saws direct from their website without having to buy on Amazon or Ebay. That's what I did. The good thing about these saws is the parts availability. If you buy a cheap homeowner saw from a box store there is no good parts availability. They change those saws all the time year to year and their like Bic lighters, disposable. And their small and weak. At least with these clone saws, their copies of the commercial Stihl and Husky"s and there's parts unlimited. I bought a G660 and G388, Stihl copies complete. I like the G388 (71cc). That thing runs good and good power without being too heavy. The 660 is heavy for the power it produces. I bought 2 Husky 372xp's, parts kits and built those saws from all the individual parts. And I bought a 372xp complete. So I know the saws inside out. So I got 3-Husky 372xp's clones, 1- G660 and 1- G388. I may buy another G388. The only one I had trouble with was the 660. And by having so many saws, the use gets divided up. If you were to use 1 all the time allot, it might show more weakness somewhere. I'm happy with them overall. I needed new saws and the real ones are too much money now. Pretty much a rip off. I had all real ones back in the day when they were more reasonably priced. www.farmertec.com/
Stan I have a question... At the beginning you where loading up an asv but when you get up north your using a cat.. What happened there.. Those knock off saws look like there pretty good.. But you need to use the log grippers to really use the saw to your advantage.. For sure on the big log.. Fwi I do know a little about sawing.. I grew up in North west Montana in the mountains.. Getting fire wood was a summer long ordeal.. I know you said it's easier to control the logs by using the bucket and lifting capabilities.. But it is alot easier to use the tie down hooks on the back of the skidder to skid logs, just letting you know for future adventures.. Thank you for your time.. I watch your channel all the time..
Two years ago you used to be able to buy the 660 kit for $90 and assemble it yourself, doing so you knew everything about how that saw went together. And for $90 you couldn't go wrong. Mine is still running great
@@Dirtmonkey kits are less than $200 direct from hutzl/farmertec /holtzforma. Just takes a little while to get across the ocean. I built a 660 kit a year and a half ago and have used it for milling with a 36" and 56" bar. It starts right up every time and runs great. You have to clean the metal pieces out from manufacturing process because they don't do a very good job of it. And keep an eye on parts as your building, but if you are mechanical and have an afternoon free it's a great learning experience and it's possible to build a hearty saw.
I have 5 different chain saws. One of them I bought off Amazon, a Tanaka TCS 33EDTP to trim with. Cost around $175 and it runs great. Has a 7 YR WARRANTY !!!!!. And yes there is a shop nearby that will service it. Very happy with it. I will have 3 yrs this summer and if it breaks I can still buy 3 or 4 more of them cheaper than Stihl. PS I love Stihl quality
I’m 19, so by no means am I a professional, but I have owned over 300 saws, mostly stihl. I build the farmertec kits, (same thing as the holtzfarma, just orange) I’ve torn apart hundreds of saws, and assembled hundreds of saws. I run my farmertec 660 on a 36” Alaskan Alaskan sawmill, as well as I’ve used my stihl 064. Unless your a pro running them everyday, relying on these saws to cut 100 trees a day, I don’t see a difference. Everything wears out, but I can put 10-20 piston and cylinder kits in my farmertec for the single price of my stihl.
Also, from what I’ve learned (again, not a professional) in foreign country’s their two stroke oil is far inferior to ours, and that’s why they have you running 25:1, but around here with a tc-w3 oil standard, we can run 40-1, or 50-1. Even more advanced oils such as amsoil synthetic, recommends 100-1 in a 50-1 setting.
for those curios the ms660 is 1100 new, not "a few grand" I personally own and run stihl, husqvarna, and the huztl saws. The knockoffs are fine if you know what you are doing with a saw, and are willing to get some oem or upgraded parts to make them last, expect to at the very least have to replace a jug once on the knockoffs if you use it somewhat regularly but as the parts are so cheap and are becoming readily available it is usually under $50 and an hour job after you have done it once or twice.
I've had a 372xp from Holzfforma for about 2 yrs. works just fine, handles anything I can throw at it, plenty of power and torque plus less than a 3rd of the price even with import tax. I have had to change a few things and tweak a few as well, but no more than what I do on my Makita chainsaw.
Hey Stanley... 2 weeks ago my plow broke. I watched few of your videos... I called some people... and I pull the trigger on the new plow. That plow is saving me over 3 hours on my "biggest location" (same machine/ same operator). I know you probably don't care, - why would you? But I want to thank you. Making money is a little easier for me now and I have more time to "clear" other locations so I experience a little less stress. End result is... I'm at home sooner and my family is happier. Any way I owe you steak dinner. 👍
I bought the kit and put it together myself. Its a good saw for the price. I had to get an new carb new. new key for the flywheel. And new studs for the bar. It runs good until it gets real hot and starts to act up.
There are Facebook groups dedicated to these Farmertec and Holzfforma saws. The way they come from the assembler is lacking and the tune is off. You can hear that in how they run. The company that sells them from China are compilers of parts that are made all over the place in China. They sell kits and assembled saws. The company that sells them bought the plans for saws that patents have expired on. The parts they put together are from the original patents. Some are good and some are made horribly. HOWEVER. Since they are exact copies the oem parts fit exactly on them. Meaning, that it is know in the groups that there is a list of parts (choke lever, recoil string assembly, safety brake, oiler, bolts backing out, etc replace carb with oem high-flow unit) that need to he replaced. There are some builders that buy bulk packs of these saws then build and tune them. The difference is night and day in how they perform and last. If you use them "off the rack" they're barely ok. If you address the weak points you have pretty decent saw.
I see the effort put in to these videos that's why I comment and hit the thumbs up button and watch the ads , I know it helps out a lil bit. But it's the extras you do on here like the shout outs and you comment back to us, it's awesome, you don't get that on any other channel plus the content is on point. The effort you put into these is truly appreciated.🙏
Stanley the saws sound great I just bought the Holts G388 73cc , 28” sprocket bar and chain for $271.40 and $55.00 of that was shipping. It’s a beast of a saw.
I got one of their G388s, it’s a 038 Super Magnum clone. So far I’ve just been running her at home making noodles out of some rounds. Did a little bench tuning to take care of a run away chain at idle. No complaints and got a 72cc saw for under $250 shipped.
I've used farmer tech part on my stihl ms460 and ms250. Parts work as they should and fit as they should. I ordered the g660 to add to my fleet of saws.
Stan I have a g660 works great for me no problems. If something were to fail just put the stihl parts on then it will be bulletproof shout-out from Manitowoc Wisconsin
Those dump trailers are so nice for making firewood. Especially if you can pick up the log with the skidsteer over the edge of the trailer and cut right into it
Just got finished with eating the best frozen pizza on the planet. It was Heggi’s pizza. We have had a jonsered chainsaw for about 5 years and we love it. I just wish we could get a skid steer though. Love the vids. Keep it up.
I can't wait for my holzformma to come in! Bought the g660 off the website for $220 in December! Still waiting and it's February! But I have heard nothing but good about these saws! Can't wait to hear what others think! There's actually a dealership for these saws in iowa! They sell tons of accessories for the saws too, they also have a youtube channel!
@@Dirtmonkey no problem! He shows you step by step how to break them in and what to check when you buy it. He's who I connected with before I bought mine! He will repair any saw he sells to you also!
I use the G660 for milling. No it is not a Stihl, but it is pretty damn close and way less expensive. I went this route because you need the displacement for milling and I didn't want to drop over a grand to see if I liked chainsaw milling. Long story short, I love milling and this saw does it well. I would suggest buying from a dealer in your area. They will check them over and loc tite the proper screws and check them over before you get them. If you know your way around a stihl saw you will know your way around these clones as they are exact clone of them. If something breaks you can replace with OEM. Most people replace the carb and chain tensioner and sometimes the bar oiler or open it up some. Mine has aftermarket exhaust and high flow air cleaner and has been ported. This brought the cost up to about double of what a stock one costs, but I am very happy with the performance. Have put about 25 tanks through it so far and no issues.
Yup I'm a Wisconsin guy and rite now its says its 18 below and everything is crazy and very weird in these temputures lol.. had a couple of tasks yesterday and stuff just doesn't act right below 0.. totally agree brother!!
I bought the g660 about 2 plus years ago, four months later I bought the "Stihl 661c" it's much more durable. How ever the Chinese saws do have there downsides in durability I would still recommend them to a weekend warrior they still seem good for the price point.
For me cold does make everything harder and for me when it’s really windy everything seems harder. I don’t know why the wind does that to me. I hate working when it’s really windy. Windy and cold? Forget about it!
I have one of these saws. Completely interchangeable with OEM parts. Over all good saws for the price especially for the price. If you do a few things before running them. Like loctite on the muffler bolts.
That cold weather has be causing all the problems with the hydraulic. It seems like y’all have all kinds of problems with them up there. But it sure does look beautiful there.
Stan, I've watched few of your videos and have always found them entertaining and informative. I was disappointed we didn't see these saws cutting until 30 min into a 41 minute video. I'll probably watch future videos about these saws but my vote is to concentrate on the saws not the other stuff. I'd like to see a side by side of some maintenance between these saws and the Stihl. Like changing a chain, or cleaning the air filter. Does it really have the same air filter and does it seal as good as the Stihl?
i just watched this segment ,My thoughts on it is that i noticed that your hydraulic lines are twisted ,they should be untwisted. follow the seamline to make it straight
listening to the engines, watching how they cut with sharp chains, etc... I'll keep my Stihl and Husqvarna saws.. if these saws meet your needs that's great, definitely not for people that make money with their saws though lol.
Yeah seems about right. If you want a saw to do some work, not daily and think stihl husqvarna etc too expensive it's probably right for you. Just don't have expectations it'll last like other brands
Funny, I've seen pro cutters using them and they have nothing but good things to say about them... then again they tune their Saws every time they run em
@@noclass2gun342 shouldn't have to tune a saw every time you use it. I want to see how they hold up after 1, 2 years of running every day. Guarantee they won't do what a husky or stihl can after they're put through some abuse
What i did was buy a stihl logger saw like the 028, and an 045. One of mine was built in 78 the other in like 76. And after a little tuning they run like no ones business, and for a quarter of the price than the modern stuff.
Need a sound db meter idle one saw 🪚 see where it goes then a sthil. What I’d be leary of where they cut corners in manufacturing or it is the same saw with a blue case verses orange/white??
I love the chopper sound effects. You should have Andrew Camarata test out the chain saw, they work great when installing a new radio in a truck. Frankie and the other guy should be working on the same side of the log incase it rolls. Love the video's keep up the good work and god bless and stay safe.
Just like you said I enjoy doing stuff like that plowing a trail threw the woods its not work when your having fun hanging out with your friends no rush everyone getting along laughing enjoying the day cold doesn't matter just adds to the excitement a day you'll never forget
That looked like a good test of the imported saws. They seemed to work well. The real test will be how long they last. If they can duplicate the record of the old Stihl saws, they will be a winner. Good video to see you all working in temps like that. Hard work kept you all warm. I haven't cut any wood in years but the sound of multiple chain saws working together is music to my ears.
The base of this is a direct copy of the stihl chainsaws. Got my construction company to buy these cus it was way cheaper and parts are so easy to find and trade off of the stihl's we already had. You can't change out a lot of the body "plastic " but engine, bar, and other main metal parts change right over with some fitment issues i found on a few from lack of machine cleanup from manufacturing tolerances.
Those saws are stihl and huskys 20 year old design. The Chinese company bought the blueprints and thats how they produce them.with less quality and tolerances im assuming. That's the Chinese way.
I can confirm, they wait until the patents are expired and remanufacture them out of lesser quality materials, often cutting corners to the production process. Definitely a case of you get what you pay for. And direct from china you often lack any kind of warranty support. Basically don't buy a cheap saw and expect it to perform and last like a name brand saw. As long as you understand that when you purchase the saw, and look after it appropriately they can be a reliable and functional saw,
They are interchangeable for everything, a lot of the time people will slowly replace the parts with oem ones so the saw slowly gets more and more reliable and better quality as you go along for example like, plastics, clutch covers, clutches, piston rings, recoil etc.
Nice video what size was the other saw the smaller one. Also need to weld on some chain hooks to your buckets so you can hook the chains at any length.
I like stihl. Keep in mind, I’ve only used the professional grade stuff. I always use 2 - 3x the power then I need. My thinking is, the tool or equipment is over engineered for my work load then that’s the tool for me. 1. It seems to last longer with less breakdowns by not over stressing or over working. Service departments don’t like that in-which is good for me. 2. I’m not using so much fuel to complete a job 3. High productivity with any laborers I may need to hire. Example, If I can complete 6hrs of work in 4hrs or 8hrs in 6hrs or 10hrs in 8hrs. (you get my point) Less wages need to be paid to laborers. 4. The customers are happy & impressed with high productivity. 5. Positive word of mouth reviews 6. Keeps morale high. The laborers enjoy high powered over engineer equipment. Call it the “Tim Allen effect” more power Vs. All the opposite of what I listed above. But, I do understand the video experiment of the upfront cost of equipment. This is only going to be profitable if this China brand saw doesn’t burn-up under a heavy work load. So 400.00 for the 1st saw, providing it doesn’t need a replacement. Then you have to x2. So now that’s 800.00 plus expense of labor which isn’t included. So that put you right at the price or maybe just below of ms660. Why use a ms660 when an ms880 gets the job done much quicker? I got a 5yr warranty on my stihl stuff. Let me put it like this, when the US Forestry service or the Pacific northwest loggers start to using this China brand chainsaws then that’s when I’ll consider maybe using this cheap Chinese brand.
I Have the g660. I've run it exclusively in a alaskan mill, except for the first tank. So far so good. 25:1 mix, and running on the richer side, as typical with most big saws doing milling. So far so good. Northern Canada, only used it in the -20 to -40C temp range as of yet. Oregon chains and bars. Only problem so far, decompression valve failed.
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Ive built a couple of those farmertec saws in the past. The trick is to get the unassembled version which is a box of individual parts for $100 cheaper and you build it yourself. That way you can make sure everything gets deburred and goes together quickly. Another good trick is to replace any questionable parts like crankshaft bearings with OEM Stihl because its all interchangeable.
Thanks for always doing it for the viewers and not for the views! It doesn’t go unnoticed and it’s truly appreciated
I appreciate that!
I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
Tou know it’s gonna be a solid time when the boss says “we’re gonna be in the woods working without adult supervision” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
haha😂👊
So true
BUY Frankie a new truck and surprise him he deserves it.
Hes an awesome dude.
His whole crew in my opinion is way above average, stan has definitely set the bar for awesome
Frankie deserves a new truck AND a brand new g660 or ms661
I have a feeling Franky wouldn't want a new pick up you can kinda get that feeling from him. However if Stan were to get him a new truck since he loves his 1/4 ton crew cab s10 a new ford ranger would be right up his alley especially since they are awesome trucks or if he's a die hard Chevy guy a crew cab z71 Colorado would be good for him to even tho IMO the ranger is a better truck.
Yeah there's nothing like going to work with a good friend everyday it just makes the day that much more interesting love the channel and everything you guys do for the community.
“Don’t hit yourself in the nuts” always good advice. Pick up one end of the log when skidding them, keeps you from getting dirt the entire length of the tree so your chains last longer.
Lol
Ahh yea..
Always enjoy the longer videos. Made me chuckle when you said "in the woods with no adult supervision." I hope everyone who reads this has a blessed day and stays safe.
Thanks for the blessing friend. Back at ya.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that Stan reads likes and reply’s to the comments 👍
That is a great point. I quit watching videos if the maker doesn't read the comments.
"the colder it gets, the harder work becomes". Last year's cold snap. I blew a tire valve (NEVER had that happen), and blew 2 tires. This year's cold snap, I had my own, and my mother's furnace go out. I'm starting to hate winter XD.
Great video, great way to test the Chi-com chainsaws. You boys dont mess around! I have been using Echo chainsaws for a few years steadily in my landscaping business. We do a decent amount of tree work in the summer and winter months. I climb with an echo and if we get a couple more decent snow storms I am going to pick up the new echo 7310.
Stanley, to go off topic a little. Rather than 4 ratchet straps to tie down the skid steer, I used 2 and one chain. I generally hook up my front chain fairly tight. Then I pull the equipment back to tighten the chain. Only 2 ratchets are added in the rear. Cuts the time in half.
I’m a dealer for these saws I’ve had good luck with them have about 500 in service daily have some tree company’s running only blue saws now. A oem carb makes these saws last twice as long. When guys break them it’s mainly due to them not reading the manual and running the wrong fue mixture. They need to be run 32:1
Love what you are doing. Let you know that I was raised every bucket has a chain hook welded to it for that reason. Thanks for the hard work. Take care
When I was working in northern Alberta, we could keep most equipment operating until it got down to 40 below. Then everything wanted to break.
Ouch. Now thats mean cold.
@@Dirtmonkey That's just a Tuesday round these parts.
Very few channels make content for it's viewers to better themselves and their lives, rather they do it for clicks and sell their crappy merch. Stan makes every minute of the day count. Nothing comes easy in the real world. Hats off to you and your crew, you're doing things right Stan.👏👏👏
Ok so we had a windstorm here a couple of weeks ago, and a few of our big trees came down. I only had a 12” 40v chainsaw; and that wasn’t quite big enough to handle the trunks. So, on the basis of a few TH-cam reviews from some guys with judgement I trust, bought an Atlas 80v 18” chainsaw and two batteries.
So far, it’s working well... it runs for about an hour of almost continuous cutting per battery. The chain is compatible with an Oregon S62 available at my local Lowe’s, and although I haven’t tested it yet, it looks like the bar is compatible with an Oregon bar as well.
I’ve been loading the cuttings into a dumpster with my GC1723EB subcompact tractor; and that’s been working nicely as well.
Even though I'm not a chain saw guy I fully enjoyed this one. Can't wait for the next. For me the best part was the chopper audio over the drone footage, followed by the way that Alex would roll the logs and you would catch them in the ASV bucket. ...and yes, that was a close call for Alex, especially given the fact that he wasn't watching. Close calls can be good teachers. Thanks again.
I run a stihl ms460 for my own firewood. My understanding on those knock offs is the longevity is no where near the life of a stihl. The internal parts are cheap and wear much quicker. I would rather buy a tried and true pro saw..
Boom- well said.
I love stihl saws, still run a 70s av model and an 80s av model, one is 58cc and the other is a 62cc. But I don't have a single stock saw my firewood lineup, I should do some videos of crazy modded poulan saws I run, and my one of a kind jonsered that was found at a garage sale in a junk pile and made in to a 90cc beast!
I'd tend to agree with you, buuuuut you can buy 5 saws for the price of one. Even if they die on you every 5 years, you can buy another. My lowes husqvarna special for $300 has made me so much money in the last year its used almost daily. I think this chinese saw would be a great starter saw for someone who just needs a saw to last them a few years.
@@lehelparsons6059 my poulans I play with seem to just keep going after a simple woods port and I pull the spark arrestor screen and add a couple more holes to the muffler, I also pull the california caps off the high and low speed adjustments and slot the end of the screws, and when I'm really bored I pull the flywheel and balance them, 50:1 klotz, and a fist full of fury! I have a 5020 pro that has eaten close too 100 cord and only gained compression
@@redneckrepairsandmusic2469 man where do you live i have some string trimmers i need fixed 😂😂😂
You’re absolutely correct, zero degrees is that magic number. Anything below zero and everything is harder to do!
I have a G660 kit saw I built and chainsaw mill with. I have muffler modded, no basket, and a mild port job on it. It runs great. It mills just as good as my real MS660. I run mine at 50:1 Stihl mix just like the rest of my saws.
Thank you! Good to know
Sam is the only adult supervision😂
Glad someone got the joke.😂👊
Love the videos! Your one of the only you tubers that always consistently make content.
I appreciate that! Glad you enjoy the vids. This one is a 2 parter.
❤❤ Stan, I think you can turn down the pressure on the asv. They are designed to run hi pressure, hi volume for tree mulching. I have seen 8 in trees get ground into mulch. Ask your dealer if they can come out and dial it down. 👍👍
Thats right- you can dial it down. i forget that
Ya i know this video is about a year and half old but it was after 5 videos I was like well this is consitantly sweet channel. Always a cool thing having a channel come along with history of quality you never saw before and can just enjoy the back log. I choose this one to comment as I watched an early one and say the sweet Kratos art and here see DBZ arts on the phone and just tech nerding on video quality really a great reminder never judge a book by a cover. Key here is you are an incredible story teller in the words, in the editing and the visuals. Clear also seems your an incredible boss so cheers to you!
I think the question is always "how long is it gonna last". Price isn't always everything. Huge difference between homeowner running something few times a year vs professional running something 12 hrs/day 7 days a week for 3 months at a time.
I have a g660 kit saw that I built and it’s pushing 5 years and still has 195+psi use it for cutting firewood and milking so it gets used and abused
@@tylerlagreca9068 Cool. Thanks for the info. It's like aftermarket parts for you car: sometimes they last, sometimes they don't. OEM is not always better, but ther is a lot of $$$$ behind their design. I'm an enduser, don't have any skin in the game but hearing success stories is always good. Thanks.
@@tylerlagreca9068 did you say milking? How do you use a saw for milking?
@@tylerlagreca9068 with all Farmertec parts no way 😂 and you wouldn’t be close to 195psi with a Farmertec p/c without machining
Thanks for the shout out man, appreciate ya.
You bet
I have a 660 clone saw I assembled from a kit. If you put some extra care in assembly going over the pieces and break it in properly you can end up with a nice saw. I have 30 hours of nothing but milling lumber on it and still runs like a champ. I also have used their parts to repair many old Stihl Saws that were otherwise going to be discarded and they are all back to life running great. I like that Stanley added the helicopter sounds to the drone had me fooled for a second.
ive had the husky models for about 3 years absolutely love them
Stan, what Frankie is doing with the chain around the log is called a boiler hitch. I spent years lifting pipe like that. Never slipped.
I got real experience with these saws. I got the chinese 660. 50/50 in my book so far. I had it lose a piston pin circlip at the 4th tank of gas and trash the top end. The chinese sent me a new piston and cylinder kit free so I could fix it. It's running again but with not too much use. I got 2 of the 372xp clones and they aren't bad. They been doing the job for a year now. I sell about 50 cords of firewood a year and heat my house. I also got a hydraulic band mill and saw lumber from pine and hemlock I harvest. The 660 does run good right out of the box and is a beast.
Sounds like they got you the parts after it had problems. I wouldn't expect them to do that. Maybe their is more to this company than just selling knock off saws? is their customer service decent?
@@Dirtmonkey Their customer service is in China and you gotta e-mail them with a language barrier. Shipping from China takes a while too. But hey, they sent me the parts to fix it at least. Can't complain there, although it should have never happened with such a simple stupid defect. I guess the wrist pin clip was a problem on allot of their different saws for a while. There's video's about it. You can order parts and saws direct from their website without having to buy on Amazon or Ebay. That's what I did. The good thing about these saws is the parts availability. If you buy a cheap homeowner saw from a box store there is no good parts availability. They change those saws all the time year to year and their like Bic lighters, disposable. And their small and weak. At least with these clone saws, their copies of the commercial Stihl and Husky"s and there's parts unlimited. I bought a G660 and G388, Stihl copies complete. I like the G388 (71cc). That thing runs good and good power without being too heavy. The 660 is heavy for the power it produces. I bought 2 Husky 372xp's, parts kits and built those saws from all the individual parts. And I bought a 372xp complete. So I know the saws inside out. So I got 3-Husky 372xp's clones, 1- G660 and 1- G388. I may buy another G388. The only one I had trouble with was the 660. And by having so many saws, the use gets divided up. If you were to use 1 all the time allot, it might show more weakness somewhere. I'm happy with them overall. I needed new saws and the real ones are too much money now. Pretty much a rip off. I had all real ones back in the day when they were more reasonably priced. www.farmertec.com/
Love the chopper sound dubbed in with the drone.......lol.........
Stan I have a question... At the beginning you where loading up an asv but when you get up north your using a cat.. What happened there.. Those knock off saws look like there pretty good.. But you need to use the log grippers to really use the saw to your advantage.. For sure on the big log.. Fwi I do know a little about sawing.. I grew up in North west Montana in the mountains.. Getting fire wood was a summer long ordeal.. I know you said it's easier to control the logs by using the bucket and lifting capabilities.. But it is alot easier to use the tie down hooks on the back of the skidder to skid logs, just letting you know for future adventures.. Thank you for your time.. I watch your channel all the time..
Two years ago you used to be able to buy the 660 kit for $90 and assemble it yourself, doing so you knew everything about how that saw went together. And for $90 you couldn't go wrong. Mine is still running great
Good to know.
@@Dirtmonkey I'm sure you can still get the kits but they're more expensive now
@@Dirtmonkey kits are less than $200 direct from hutzl/farmertec /holtzforma. Just takes a little while to get across the ocean. I built a 660 kit a year and a half ago and have used it for milling with a 36" and 56" bar. It starts right up every time and runs great. You have to clean the metal pieces out from manufacturing process because they don't do a very good job of it. And keep an eye on parts as your building, but if you are mechanical and have an afternoon free it's a great learning experience and it's possible to build a hearty saw.
I have 5 different chain saws. One of them I bought off Amazon, a Tanaka TCS 33EDTP to trim with. Cost around $175 and it runs great. Has a 7 YR WARRANTY !!!!!. And yes there is a shop nearby that will service it. Very happy with it. I will have 3 yrs this summer and if it breaks I can still buy 3 or 4 more of them cheaper than Stihl. PS I love Stihl quality
Thanks for the info!
I’m 19, so by no means am I a professional, but I have owned over 300 saws, mostly stihl. I build the farmertec kits, (same thing as the holtzfarma, just orange) I’ve torn apart hundreds of saws, and assembled hundreds of saws. I run my farmertec 660 on a 36” Alaskan Alaskan sawmill, as well as I’ve used my stihl 064. Unless your a pro running them everyday, relying on these saws to cut 100 trees a day, I don’t see a difference. Everything wears out, but I can put 10-20 piston and cylinder kits in my farmertec for the single price of my stihl.
Also, from what I’ve learned (again, not a professional) in foreign country’s their two stroke oil is far inferior to ours, and that’s why they have you running 25:1, but around here with a tc-w3 oil standard, we can run 40-1, or 50-1. Even more advanced oils such as amsoil synthetic, recommends 100-1 in a 50-1 setting.
🙏 Thank you for your wise words.
for those curios the ms660 is 1100 new, not "a few grand" I personally own and run stihl, husqvarna, and the huztl saws. The knockoffs are fine if you know what you are doing with a saw, and are willing to get some oem or upgraded parts to make them last, expect to at the very least have to replace a jug once on the knockoffs if you use it somewhat regularly but as the parts are so cheap and are becoming readily available it is usually under $50 and an hour job after you have done it once or twice.
Good to know. Sounds like your familair with them.
I've had a 372xp from Holzfforma for about 2 yrs. works just fine, handles anything I can throw at it, plenty of power and torque plus less than a 3rd of the price even with import tax. I have had to change a few things and tweak a few as well, but no more than what I do on my Makita chainsaw.
Hey Stanley... 2 weeks ago my plow broke. I watched few of your videos... I called some people... and I pull the trigger on the new plow. That plow is saving me over 3 hours on my "biggest location" (same machine/ same operator). I know you probably don't care, - why would you? But I want to thank you. Making money is a little easier for me now and I have more time to "clear" other locations so I experience a little less stress. End result is... I'm at home sooner and my family is happier. Any way I owe you steak dinner. 👍
I bought the kit and put it together myself. Its a good saw for the price. I had to get an new carb new. new key for the flywheel. And new studs for the bar. It runs good until it gets real hot and starts to act up.
There are Facebook groups dedicated to these Farmertec and Holzfforma saws. The way they come from the assembler is lacking and the tune is off. You can hear that in how they run. The company that sells them from China are compilers of parts that are made all over the place in China. They sell kits and assembled saws. The company that sells them bought the plans for saws that patents have expired on. The parts they put together are from the original patents. Some are good and some are made horribly. HOWEVER. Since they are exact copies the oem parts fit exactly on them. Meaning, that it is know in the groups that there is a list of parts (choke lever, recoil string assembly, safety brake, oiler, bolts backing out, etc replace carb with oem high-flow unit) that need to he replaced. There are some builders that buy bulk packs of these saws then build and tune them. The difference is night and day in how they perform and last. If you use them "off the rack" they're barely ok. If you address the weak points you have pretty decent saw.
Thank you Good to know. That facebook group sounds pretty awesome!
I see the effort put in to these videos that's why I comment and hit the thumbs up button and watch the ads , I know it helps out a lil bit. But it's the extras you do on here like the shout outs and you comment back to us, it's awesome, you don't get that on any other channel plus the content is on point. The effort you put into these is truly appreciated.🙏
Stanley the saws sound great I just bought the Holts G388 73cc , 28” sprocket bar and chain for $271.40 and $55.00 of that was shipping. It’s a beast of a saw.
I have always found it scary to have two guys cutting on the same log.
I tell you if you close your eyes when they are cutting it sounds exactly like a stihl! Great video stan!
I got one of their G388s, it’s a 038 Super Magnum clone. So far I’ve just been running her at home making noodles out of some rounds. Did a little bench tuning to take care of a run away chain at idle. No complaints and got a 72cc saw for under $250 shipped.
I've used farmer tech part on my stihl ms460 and ms250. Parts work as they should and fit as they should. I ordered the g660 to add to my fleet of saws.
Stan I hope this goes viral for you, quality alone you deserve it.
Thanks Chuck! Your very kind.
Stan I have a g660 works great for me no problems. If something were to fail just put the stihl parts on then it will be bulletproof shout-out from Manitowoc Wisconsin
you should weld some chain hooks on the bucket makes it easier
Came to the comments to say the same thing.
There is a company that sells a kit that has a bolt on chain hook on the top of the bucket and a shackles that hang on the inside
Have a hook and 2in ball welded on ours
17:00 Hey look! It's the chainsaws finally!
That’s what I call team work! Love it!
Those dump trailers are so nice for making firewood. Especially if you can pick up the log with the skidsteer over the edge of the trailer and cut right into it
Just got finished with eating the best frozen pizza on the planet. It was Heggi’s pizza. We have had a jonsered chainsaw for about 5 years and we love it. I just wish we could get a skid steer though. Love the vids. Keep it up.
That is awesome! Shout out coming to you soon😉
I love Frankie, but he needs a lesson with chainsaws, watching him cut that tree to drag out was painful.
That chain wrap is an old oilfield trick you wrap it twice and then hook it together and pull the hook up against the first wrap :) it works amazing
Great video i really enjoy the wood skiding, hauling and cutting. Those chainsaws look to me like they are holding their own and doing a nice job.
Don’t smack yourself in the nuts when ya do this-classic !! Love the audio simulation on the drone shots too .
I can't wait for my holzformma to come in! Bought the g660 off the website for $220 in December! Still waiting and it's February! But I have heard nothing but good about these saws! Can't wait to hear what others think! There's actually a dealership for these saws in iowa! They sell tons of accessories for the saws too, they also have a youtube channel!
Very cool! Thanks for the heads up on the Iowa dealer
@@Dirtmonkey no problem! He shows you step by step how to break them in and what to check when you buy it. He's who I connected with before I bought mine! He will repair any saw he sells to you also!
Those saws sounded really good actually!
Nice to have some snow to help keep the gravel off the logs!
You got that right!
I use the G660 for milling. No it is not a Stihl, but it is pretty damn close and way less expensive. I went this route because you need the displacement for milling and I didn't want to drop over a grand to see if I liked chainsaw milling. Long story short, I love milling and this saw does it well. I would suggest buying from a dealer in your area. They will check them over and loc tite the proper screws and check them over before you get them. If you know your way around a stihl saw you will know your way around these clones as they are exact clone of them. If something breaks you can replace with OEM. Most people replace the carb and chain tensioner and sometimes the bar oiler or open it up some. Mine has aftermarket exhaust and high flow air cleaner and has been ported. This brought the cost up to about double of what a stock one costs, but I am very happy with the performance. Have put about 25 tanks through it so far and no issues.
I was thinking of using one for milling. Glad to hear it works well for that
That was great chain sawing, and really cool tricks with tying up the tree. Every time I watch your videos I always learn something new. God Bless!!
Thats cool to hear! Thanks for tuning in and have a great rest of your weekend!
@@Dirtmonkey Thank you, and you too!
For a homeowner that might use a saw once a year, would you go with a chicom saw?
That G660 engine sounds absolutely awesome!
Yup I'm a Wisconsin guy and rite now its says its 18 below and everything is crazy and very weird in these temputures lol.. had a couple of tasks yesterday and stuff just doesn't act right below 0.. totally agree brother!!
Same- stuff doesn't like to work right when its this cold.
I bought the g660 about 2 plus years ago, four months later I bought the "Stihl 661c" it's much more durable. How ever the Chinese saws do have there downsides in durability I would still recommend them to a weekend warrior they still seem good for the price point.
Agreed. Compare this to a $300 BoxStoreSpecial, and I'd rather have this thing.
Yeah- like a cheap version of a good saw? right. that just makes sense
Is it normal for the trailer to lift the back end of the truck? I'm genuinely curious before i decide what type of trailer to buy
How Do u like your sure trac dump trailer and if you were to get another one would it be single ram or a duel dam?
I love my sure trac and would get the exact same thing but with aluminum ramps and electric jack- just like on my Texas pride trailer.
For me cold does make everything harder and for me when it’s really windy everything seems harder. I don’t know why the wind does that to me. I hate working when it’s really windy. Windy and cold? Forget about it!
I like the cold but not the wind.
Only time I like the wind is when it’s 90+ degrees out with 99% humidity. I HATE Indiana summers.
@@Dirtmonkey freezing is 60F here in Vegas. I'd rather 115 than 15.
I have one of these saws. Completely interchangeable with OEM parts. Over all good saws for the price especially for the price. If you do a few things before running them. Like loctite on the muffler bolts.
Hey, love your videos can wait for the next snowplowing video👍🏼
Coming soon!- EWednesday Next week- after the part 2 to this comes out.
Sweet can’t Wait some thing to look forward to👍🏼
Hey I'm a retired excavator/logger, if I come to work for you, do I get one of them deer stands to use?🦌🔪😀
Oh heck yes!
That cold weather has be causing all the problems with the hydraulic. It seems like y’all have all kinds of problems with them up there. But it sure does look beautiful there.
Stan, I've watched few of your videos and have always found them entertaining and informative. I was disappointed we didn't see these saws cutting until 30 min into a 41 minute video. I'll probably watch future videos about these saws but my vote is to concentrate on the saws not the other stuff. I'd like to see a side by side of some maintenance between these saws and the Stihl. Like changing a chain, or cleaning the air filter. Does it really have the same air filter and does it seal as good as the Stihl?
i just watched this segment ,My thoughts on it is that i noticed that your hydraulic lines are twisted ,they should be untwisted.
follow the seamline to make it straight
Are you using synthetic hydraulic oil? could it just be the fluid being so cold and solidifying thats busting the hoses?
listening to the engines, watching how they cut with sharp chains, etc... I'll keep my Stihl and Husqvarna saws.. if these saws meet your needs that's great, definitely not for people that make money with their saws though lol.
Yeah seems about right. If you want a saw to do some work, not daily and think stihl husqvarna etc too expensive it's probably right for you. Just don't have expectations it'll last like other brands
Funny, I've seen pro cutters using them and they have nothing but good things to say about them... then again they tune their Saws every time they run em
@@noclass2gun342 shouldn't have to tune a saw every time you use it. I want to see how they hold up after 1, 2 years of running every day. Guarantee they won't do what a husky or stihl can after they're put through some abuse
@@Dirtlife98 I know guys who run stihls every day and they tune them every day or a couple times a day. But they are also like 40 years old saws
What i did was buy a stihl logger saw like the 028, and an 045. One of mine was built in 78 the other in like 76.
And after a little tuning they run like no ones business, and for a quarter of the price than the modern stuff.
Need a sound db meter idle one saw 🪚 see where it goes then a sthil. What I’d be leary of where they cut corners in manufacturing or it is the same saw with a blue case verses orange/white??
Great questions- I don't know the answers though.
Love the sound of sub zero snow under your feet. Just wish I was in Arizona, not in the same cold climate as you...dam covid!
I love that sound as well.
We are looking at purchasing a couple of these saws. One nice thing it will not be hard to keep track of the blue saws in a disaster site.
Thanks for putting out all this amazing content. Do you plan on having a series of how you added a second story to the cabin??
No plans on doing that.
You know it’s cold by the way the ground sounds when you walk on it.
That crunchy sounds means cold.
Monday in hinckley minnesota we had -26, it's been crazy cold with even crazier wind chills!
I love the chopper sound effects. You should have Andrew Camarata test out the chain saw, they work great when installing a new radio in a truck.
Frankie and the other guy should be working on the same side of the log incase it rolls. Love the video's keep up the good work and god bless and stay safe.
That coca cola coffee is amazing! The dark roast is my favorite.
I will try that if I can find it.
Sounds like something I'd like if they do sugar free, it's taken 20 years for vanilla coca cola to be a regular thing in Australia lol
Just like you said I enjoy doing stuff like that plowing a trail threw the woods its not work when your having fun hanging out with your friends no rush everyone getting along laughing enjoying the day cold doesn't matter just adds to the excitement a day you'll never forget
Wise words Bud- You summed it up well.
That looked like a good test of the imported saws. They seemed to work well. The real test will be how long they last. If they can duplicate the record of the old Stihl saws, they will be a winner. Good video to see you all working in temps like that. Hard work kept you all warm. I haven't cut any wood in years but the sound of multiple chain saws working together is music to my ears.
A long term test is what really needs to happen.
Run a file on those chains. Great video great work getting it done!
Ever considered welding a couple chain hooks on top of your bucket? Makes hooking up chains easier and less pinch points than wrapped around bucket.
The base of this is a direct copy of the stihl chainsaws. Got my construction company to buy these cus it was way cheaper and parts are so easy to find and trade off of the stihl's we already had. You can't change out a lot of the body "plastic " but engine, bar, and other main metal parts change right over with some fitment issues i found on a few from lack of machine cleanup from manufacturing tolerances.
Those saws did what you need them to do 👍, great video.
Thanks 👍. have a great weekend to!
Chinesium sound good at those temps, love the “litany of the woods” starting at 34:06 music to my ears. Great work!
Love that property!! WOW!! Talk about some NICE deer hunting!! Awesome video brother!! Love the shout outs too!! Stay blessed!!
Like the helicopter sound effects for the drone.
Those saws are stihl and huskys 20 year old design. The Chinese company bought the blueprints and thats how they produce them.with less quality and tolerances im assuming. That's the Chinese way.
Thats probably correct.
I can confirm, they wait until the patents are expired and remanufacture them out of lesser quality materials, often cutting corners to the production process. Definitely a case of you get what you pay for. And direct from china you often lack any kind of warranty support. Basically don't buy a cheap saw and expect it to perform and last like a name brand saw. As long as you understand that when you purchase the saw, and look after it appropriately they can be a reliable and functional saw,
China doesn’t innovate, they duplicate.
They are interchangeable for everything, a lot of the time people will slowly replace the parts with oem ones so the saw slowly gets more and more reliable and better quality as you go along for example like, plastics, clutch covers, clutches, piston rings, recoil etc.
Nice video what size was the other saw the smaller one. Also need to weld on some chain hooks to your buckets so you can hook the chains at any length.
Holzfforma looks pretty good!
I like stihl.
Keep in mind, I’ve only used the professional grade stuff. I always use 2 - 3x the power then I need. My thinking is, the tool or equipment is over engineered for my work load then that’s the tool for me.
1. It seems to last longer with less breakdowns by not over stressing or over working. Service departments don’t like that in-which is good for me.
2. I’m not using so much fuel to complete a job
3. High productivity with any laborers I may need to hire. Example, If I can complete 6hrs of work in 4hrs or 8hrs in 6hrs or 10hrs in 8hrs. (you get my point) Less wages need to be paid to laborers.
4. The customers are happy & impressed with high productivity.
5. Positive word of mouth reviews
6. Keeps morale high. The laborers enjoy high powered over engineer equipment. Call it the “Tim Allen effect” more power
Vs.
All the opposite of what I listed above.
But, I do understand the video experiment of the upfront cost of equipment. This is only going to be profitable if this China brand saw doesn’t burn-up under a heavy work load. So 400.00 for the 1st saw, providing it doesn’t need a replacement. Then you have to x2. So now that’s 800.00 plus expense of labor which isn’t included. So that put you right at the price or maybe just below of ms660. Why use a ms660 when an ms880 gets the job done much quicker? I got a 5yr warranty on my stihl stuff. Let me put it like this, when the US Forestry service or the Pacific northwest loggers start to using this China brand chainsaws then that’s when I’ll consider maybe using this cheap Chinese brand.
I Have the g660. I've run it exclusively in a alaskan mill, except for the first tank. So far so good. 25:1 mix, and running on the richer side, as typical with most big saws doing milling. So far so good. Northern Canada, only used it in the -20 to -40C temp range as of yet. Oregon chains and bars. Only problem so far, decompression valve failed.
Great video! Any closer looks at the box blinds or walk around?
I did that on the trail riding video in case you missed that one
Thanks for the quick reply. Not sure how I missed that one. Keep up the great work