Hi Nev, great video. Very helpful. I'm a carpenter and a bit of a fixer / maintenance of all things at home. I have a F&P washing machine / top loader. I copied what you did, but I tweaked it. I didn't drill/ hook in the springs to the circumference ring. I thought the plastic was a bit thin, so I made 4 small , L shaped ( colourbond sheeting) brackets / riveted ( used washers with rivet size hole on the rivet stems for more strength) L bkts to the outer drum ( the plastic is thicker/ will last btter over time / just clear of the big plastic cover ring. The L bkt has a 1/8 drill hole to hook spring on.The other end of spring hooked onto the suspension rod stem . I drilled a 1/8 hole into the top plastic of the suspension rod and fed wire through hole and down to the spring and wired the spring upwards , which gave the spring abit more tension. did all 4 corners. I got the springs (C- 163 88.9mm long) from Bunnings.
This is exactly the fix I was looking for! I do wonder why the barrels are so loose in the first place? Love the idea to put the savings into cars, my plan too!
My collection of springs is growing due to removing them from washers where this fix has been unsuccessfully attempted on the current models with the metal dampers.
it's called a bias spring because there's only supposed to be 1 and It's designed to keep the drum pulling back with the centrifugal force. Chances are if you have an out of balance issue then the sensor is doing it's job amd you need to rearrange your load for the spin cycle.
NEV.....your the man! He'll has no wrath like a woman scorned....bs.....hell has no wrath like a woman who's washing machine keeps going out of balance. Thank you
Love ya work Nev, was close to blowing a grand today. Actually saw this video in good guys while the missus was checking out new ones.. still cost me though she needed headphones apparently. Anyway cheers 🍻
Thanks for this. The F&P out of balance has traumatised me so much I have contemplated ending it all and just wear dirty clothes for the rest of my life. New suspension rods did next to nothing, so I'll give this a crack. My only question is over time did the plastic ring break or did those metal rods you glued in work? It's a pretty flimsy bit of plastic.
When I first got my machine it would practically spin the clothes dry. Do you find, now it’s more stable, the clothes being spun better? I know answering questions about washing machines is not what a car guy wants to do but thanks for indulging this old lady. I just replaced all four of the stabilizer bars and considering this hack as well.
Hi Nev, you video is extremely helpful. My Fisher and Paykel had the same problem and sounds like an earthquake during the spin process. I open the top panel like in your vid and found all 4 springs detached and 3 were missing actually. But I think I left the problem too late and now the machine does not even turn on. It makes a ticking sound only when plugged in the power. Is there any way to reset it? Thanks a million!
Good morning Nevs m from the Fiji Islands m one of your big fan..I have an issue with my washing maching fisher n paykel which has three lights on the spin light n two green onea between the longwash n shortwash constantly on can u help me with the issue plis..thank u
Good tweak. But does anyone mod the F&P control system? It would be good to reprogram it so that when the out of balance switch is activated, the machine slows down to a more gentle wash or spin, rather than just stopping and beeping. That way you would get your clothes washed, if not as well.
Might seem silly but could you just cut the switch off that it bumps to tell computer out of bal, is it really such a problem if it’s bit out of balance?
The newer machines (e.g. WA8560) do not have this mechanical switch for OOB - they have an electronic sensor in the motor drive , called "bump detect" - so, strangely, it does not sense the sideways movement of the bowl. (in fact I have manually moved the bowl in all 4 directions to touch the side walls of the machine, while spinning at full revs, and not tripped the OOB). So it measures torque changes - so I think the single top spring in the back left corner may influence the 'torque movement' of the bowl. If anyone can tell me the solution to this OOB stop - it would be appreciated.
I have a newer model too, and found another video that talked about another brand with damping in the spring suspension system. I found mine dampens by slowly bleeding air out of the sealed off spring covers. I taped the spring covers to the rods which increased the friction and slowed the air movement. Has worked well so far.
@@fecksfx There is foam material in a piston groove in the cylinders that's meant to cause damping friction. This foam material eventually disintegrates. I do backyard repairs and have been trying to find a reliable DIY fix. A year ago I started using a foam rubber replacement I got from China with perfect results so far. It's called 35A duro ejection rubber.
Used to have some old metal bed bases that had springs around all the inner sides that looked like Nev's 🤔😊 ...or how about the old trampolines 🙄 ...or maybe ones from an old wringer mop bucket
I found levelling the machine doesn't necessarily solve the problem. I levelled my machine last week, but we still get the out of balance error all the time. I checked what's happening with the lid open and it seems the whole bowl is bouncing up and down violently, need another weekend to look at it
Hi Nev, my smartwash keeps saying off balance although it seems level on the floor, I’ve had for 4yrs without issues till this, do you know the approximate cost to fix it ?? Please
I thought that error meant the clothes were out of balance inside the machine? When I get the off balance error I just move the clothes around so they’re more evenly distributed and it works :) don’t know if it’s the same error code as yours but just replying in case it helps.
Thanks for that, I worked it out anyway. Got it going and it’s all good $4:35 😂🤷♂️. Nearly threw it away, now trying to work out how I can support the fins that are cracking on the agitator. Thinking cut ice cream container and silastic a piece each side. Thanks for being concerned enough to reply. Cheers
Fischer and Pykel are rubbish machines a decent machine should not do this stupid out of balance alarm my mum had an old Hoover machine that gave up the ghost after 35 years and didnt need a thing done to it except replace the taps and hoses. If the manufacturer knows this issue why do they keep making it this way ? why not add the extra springs in when it comes off the line ? I know load of people who all complain with the same issue on this brand of machhine which I wont buy again as they complete rubbish .
I have a new sensor, which I didn’t use after I discovered it need a new motor and I bought new wash machine any one interested I will sell it with half price with the receipt
3rd class brand Fisher and Paykel. In 2 yrs my top load machine got screwed called their technician who put a different board and now it failed and they want to send someone in 2 weeks.
Hi Nev, great video. Very helpful. I'm a carpenter and a bit of a fixer / maintenance of all things at home. I have a F&P washing machine / top loader. I copied what you did, but I tweaked it. I didn't drill/ hook in the springs to the circumference ring. I thought the plastic was a bit thin, so I made 4 small , L shaped ( colourbond sheeting) brackets / riveted ( used washers with rivet size hole on the rivet stems for more strength) L bkts to the outer drum ( the plastic is thicker/ will last btter over time / just clear of the big plastic cover ring. The L bkt has a 1/8 drill hole to hook spring on.The other end of spring hooked onto the suspension rod stem . I drilled a 1/8 hole into the top plastic of the suspension rod and fed wire through hole and down to the spring and wired the spring upwards , which gave the spring abit more tension. did all 4 corners. I got the springs (C- 163 88.9mm long) from Bunnings.
How did your modification go sir.
This is exactly the fix I was looking for! I do wonder why the barrels are so loose in the first place? Love the idea to put the savings into cars, my plan too!
My collection of springs is growing due to removing them from washers where this fix has been unsuccessfully attempted on the current models with the metal dampers.
Omg!!! I just had my whole machine overhauled but the out of balance thing is driving me bonkers!!!
Here for tips
OMG you understand my pain, I no longer feel so alone.. that bleep bleep bleep segment was perfect..
Thanks so much like some of the comments i almost threw our machine outside but noticed that simple little spring was the issue. It had fallen off.
it's called a bias spring because there's only supposed to be 1 and It's designed to keep the drum pulling back with the centrifugal force. Chances are if you have an out of balance issue then the sensor is doing it's job amd you need to rearrange your load for the spin cycle.
NEV.....your the man! He'll has no wrath like a woman scorned....bs.....hell has no wrath like a woman who's washing machine keeps going out of balance. Thank you
Or my house, the hubby who’s so sick and tired of it he nearly bashed it to a pulp this morning.
Thanks this helped me identify the issue with my washing machine. My lever is actually bent, causing it to always hit. Will look at replacing it now.
thanks mate, will try that and hope it works. Thanks again.
Love ya work Nev, was close to blowing a grand today. Actually saw this video in good guys while the missus was checking out new ones.. still cost me though she needed headphones apparently. Anyway cheers 🍻
Thanks for this. The F&P out of balance has traumatised me so much I have contemplated ending it all and just wear dirty clothes for the rest of my life. New suspension rods did next to nothing, so I'll give this a crack. My only question is over time did the plastic ring break or did those metal rods you glued in work? It's a pretty flimsy bit of plastic.
i have contemplated this as well. never buying from fisher and paykel again.
Thanks Nev. I managed to break the knock out of balance lever. I’m thinking it will still function.
Did that work?
good tip, probably be even better with 4 springs!
Ahhh the old "N64 model" fisher and paykel
Very good Idea ... Thank you very much
When I first got my machine it would practically spin the clothes dry. Do you find, now it’s more stable, the clothes being spun better? I know answering questions about washing machines is not what a car guy wants to do but thanks for indulging this old lady. I just replaced all four of the stabilizer bars and considering this hack as well.
Could you just clip the balance switch so it’s never activated?
Hi Nev, you video is extremely helpful. My Fisher and Paykel had the same problem and sounds like an earthquake during the spin process. I open the top panel like in your vid and found all 4 springs detached and 3 were missing actually. But I think I left the problem too late and now the machine does not even turn on. It makes a ticking sound only when plugged in the power. Is there any way to reset it? Thanks a million!
only supposed to have 1 spring
Hi Nev I need the length of those springs as i have to order them, cannot find them anywhere!
Question. Is it possible to remove the seal 🦭 without pulling the shaft and motor?
Just put a $50 new set of suspension arms from eBay and that really fixes it
Later models don't have that white plastic trip arm in them.
Thank you.
Good morning Nevs m from the Fiji Islands m one of your big fan..I have an issue with my washing maching fisher n paykel which has three lights on the spin light n two green onea between the longwash n shortwash constantly on can u help me with the issue plis..thank u
Good tweak. But does anyone mod the F&P control system? It would be good to reprogram it so that when the out of balance switch is activated, the machine slows down to a more gentle wash or spin, rather than just stopping and beeping. That way you would get your clothes washed, if not as well.
you must have to replace the suspension springs
Is it possible to just remove the sensor?
That de de de de duewp got me liked. 😅
We have a bit newer model, but Nev's spot on with that sound! It drives us insane as it happens all the time
Where did you buy the springs from, keep up the good videos!
eBay or Bunnings
Might seem silly but could you just cut the switch off that it bumps to tell computer out of bal, is it really such a problem if it’s bit out of balance?
thank you mate
How turn off keylock if button not working in fisher n paykel top laoder washsmart 8.5kg
Thanks so much. Great appreciate your input. Now to attack the machine.
u look different on the thumbnail, mate :)
Our F & P does not have any tabs to pop out ! How do we get the lid off ?
The newer machines (e.g. WA8560) do not have this mechanical switch for OOB - they have an electronic sensor in the motor drive , called "bump detect" - so, strangely, it does not sense the sideways movement of the bowl. (in fact I have manually moved the bowl in all 4 directions to touch the side walls of the machine, while spinning at full revs, and not tripped the OOB). So it measures torque changes - so I think the single top spring in the back left corner may influence the 'torque movement' of the bowl. If anyone can tell me the solution to this OOB stop - it would be appreciated.
I have a newer model too, and found another video that talked about another brand with damping in the spring suspension system. I found mine dampens by slowly bleeding air out of the sealed off spring covers. I taped the spring covers to the rods which increased the friction and slowed the air movement. Has worked well so far.
@@fecksfx There is foam material in a piston groove in the cylinders that's meant to cause damping friction. This foam material eventually disintegrates. I do backyard repairs and have been trying to find a reliable DIY fix. A year ago I started using a foam rubber replacement I got from China with perfect results so far. It's called 35A duro ejection rubber.
Good video.
Boards have to be ordered. Lack of techs so get use to it.
You had me at car parts :) Subd
How to i fix the door if not locked 9:13
Great tip thanks
Do any springs work?
Used to have some old metal bed bases that had springs around all the inner sides that looked like Nev's 🤔😊
...or how about the old trampolines 🙄
...or maybe ones from an old wringer mop bucket
Why not just level the machine???
I found levelling the machine doesn't necessarily solve the problem. I levelled my machine last week, but we still get the out of balance error all the time. I checked what's happening with the lid open and it seems the whole bowl is bouncing up and down violently, need another weekend to look at it
legend!
Hi Nev, my smartwash keeps saying off balance although it seems level on the floor, I’ve had for 4yrs without issues till this, do you know the approximate cost to fix it ?? Please
I thought that error meant the clothes were out of balance inside the machine? When I get the off balance error I just move the clothes around so they’re more evenly distributed and it works :) don’t know if it’s the same error code as yours but just replying in case it helps.
@@Redeemed12You are doing exactly what you're supposed to do and these lazy people aren't
What is that long piece of plastic at the back on the right you pushed away. @ 2:21 ?
He explains it at 3:08 to 3:15. It's trigger for the out of balance switch
Thanks for that, I worked it out anyway. Got it going and it’s all good $4:35 😂🤷♂️.
Nearly threw it away, now trying to work out how I can support the fins that are cracking on the agitator. Thinking cut ice cream container and silastic a piece each side. Thanks for being concerned enough to reply. Cheers
Good hack!, thanks
Thank yoo mate. Your a legend
Bro can you come fix mine please man i dont have the springs or drill n what not
The suspension is bad and needs to be replaced.
Fischer and Pykel are rubbish machines a decent machine should not do this stupid out of balance alarm my mum had an old Hoover machine that gave up the ghost after 35 years and didnt need a thing done to it except replace the taps and hoses. If the manufacturer knows this issue why do they keep making it this way ? why not add the extra springs in when it comes off the line ? I know load of people who all complain with the same issue on this brand of machhine which I wont buy again as they complete rubbish .
why not just put new suspension rods in? LOL
I have a new sensor, which I didn’t use after I discovered it need a new motor and I bought new wash machine any one interested I will sell it with half price with the receipt
Doesn’t work pal thanks for wasting my time 😡
3rd class brand Fisher and Paykel. In 2 yrs my top load machine got screwed called their technician who put a different board and now it failed and they want to send someone in 2 weeks.
Wrong.. one of the best brands out there