Hello Andy, Thanks for the informative video on the Omega SpeedMaster Professional. I purchased my Omega SpeedMaster Professional Mk II, Movement 29637379, Ref. ST145 014 L on the 16th April 1971 in Canterbury, Kent. I am wondering, given your detailed knowlege, if you could give me some insight into the Mk II as I seldom hear anything about that particular model. It certainly comes across as pehaps an inferior model to the original. I would most welcome your personal views on the MkII if you are willing to share your opinion and knowledge with me. In anticipation I thank you greatly. William
Wow. I’d have been a mere 2 months old then. What made you go for the mark 2 if you can remember? The mark 2 is the black sheep of the Speedmaster range, and is a curiosity. The case shape is very classic to the age it came out and I’m sure your example has taken on some patina along the way as they do. I haven’t tried on an original, but have tried the recent re-edition. I find this watch to be handsome, but almost hockey puck thick for reasons best known to Omega. How thick is your 50 year old version? I imagine about the same as a regular Speedmaster. There’s some great info to be found in the link. chronomaddox.com/omega/articles/mark_series/MarkSeries.html Thanks for enjoying the video. You have inspired me to write an edition for the Mark 2. Andy.
A well informed and slick video of the new speedmaster and its heritage, possibly my favourite speedmaster video to date and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen just about every speedmaster video on TH-cam by now 👍
Superb video overview of the Professional Speedmaster version, great video in TH-cam Top 3 with Hodinkee's " Understanding The Entire Lineage Of The Omega Speedmaster " !
Great video. Proudly wearing an 1861 as i enjoyed this one. Agree that i have no impulse to upgrade, however it's nice to see Omega make a few changes to the timeless classic.
I was looking at getting a vintage speedy because of the features it had back then so when this new model came out it gave us the best of the old and new and it’s absolutely perfect. I love it. It’s the perfect speedy.
What a fantastic history of the Speedmaster Professional. It should really be called “The definitive Guide” I’ve been looking for something this comprehensive for some time. Many thanks for taking the effort to research it. I’ve owned a ref 3570.50.00 1861 calibre since 2007 and I still absolutely love it. The new 3861 looks great but I’ll be staying with my 1861 which is becoming a vintage of its own!
Another great job, Andy. I loved this history portion. I've seen many YT videos on the history of the Speedy, ever since I decided to buy one. Yours was very enjoyable and I particularly liked the side-by-side-by-side-etc images. It made me love my Speedy even more. Many, many, many years ago I was in the U.S. Army. I noticed that Speedys were popular with our helicopter pilots. At first, I thought it was because it were expensive (even way back then). Pilots were warrant officers and made more money than poor enlisted guys like myself. But, it was more than that. First, it was a darn good watch. Second, it could be swapped for a NATO strap, which a lot of them liked to do. Third, the contrasting dial made it easy to read. The NASA heritage also was a reason. Finally, it looked so cool. Although the prices at the Post Exchange were lower than retail stores (and no sales tax), there were still crazy expensive. I wanted one, but I literally could not afford one. Eventually, it fell off of my radar screen. Finally, in 2020 I snagged one at nearly triple the price. Sheesh. I have no regrets; because it is just as brilliant today at it was many decades ago. It might even be my Exit Watch. Bravo, Andy.
A really excellent, no BS resume of Speedy history - nice one! Two brews and geek out! I'm going backwards with Speedies. They never appealed (moon stuff nor chronos my bag), but I loved the new 3861, bought one and have become a bit obsessed with them! So now have picked up an 1861 and a couple of LEs! Your video really helped put them all into their historical context. Thanks.
Great Speedmaster Profesional History Andy, clear & concise, I Love my 1861, I was put off by previous mention of change to "Human", I'm glad Omega have changed back to "Manned", although New back does look a little cluttered in my opinion, Many Thanks for Omega Pouch, just what I / my speedy needed
The stepped dial is stunning in person, and in my view transforms the watch. The bracelet is solid and fits nicely with the taper, the clasp seems to have struck the right balance between durability and appeal- I think 20 years down the line this will look much better than a dented flat link bracelet. Hard to convey the changes until you've seen the watch in person, but it's certainly surprised me how much of a step up the overall package is when you add up all the incremental improvements
Well done. I appreciate all the history. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the new 2021 hesalite. When I get bonked on the head and have it stolen in Los Angeles, it’s on you! No, seriously, great job.
Thanks, and great choice. I’m sure you’re safe with that piece of history on your wrist. If anyone tries to take it from you, you can bore them to death with why you bought it, and why the hesalite is the enthusiasts choice. They’ll soon bugger off.
Excellent review! I just purchased the newest Omega Moonwatch this past December 2022 and it is wonderful. The new bracelet has an adjustable 5 mm tab that can be pushed back or forth.
That’s great and I hope you have years of enjoyment with it. Sounds like Omega have started to fit the micro adjust clasp recently. A miss at launch. Glad yours has it 👍.
I will be selling my 43.5mm planet ocean to fund the new sapphire Speedmaster. While I have a reasonably big wrist and hands I find the planet ocean too too heavy and deep. The speedy with its new tapered bracelet and 15mm clasp looks and is Omegas flagship piece and will compliment my Submariner 41mm date. Keep up the amazing content and I hope you get the call for the GMT Master II.
Excellent review of the new moonwatch and of the entire history of this legendary timepiece! Comprehensive, thorough and highly informative! Well done!!
Very informative. I'm lucky enough to have a couple of Breitlings and a couple of Rolex and I think this will definitely be my first Omega. Thanks again. You have a new subscriber by the way!
Hi Andy. Your videos keep getting better and better. Well done! I am certainly looking forward to getting the new model (to accompany my 1971 861). I also have a 321 on order, so it will be interesting to see what turns up first. Steven (Australia).
I dont know if I’ve seen a better speedmaster history video. Very good! And regarding new speedy, that bracelet is just so nice, other changes I really do not mind. I hope it would be possible to buy it, maybe it fits older speedmasters.
Andy another interesting video, 22 mins of spot the difference But still cant decide which one too buy, when too much choice does not help the casual buyer
Amazing video mate. Do you end up buying an 3861? I have a hesalite 1861 and can’t decide wether to buy the 3861 as well, or to sell the 1861 and upgrade to the new one as I think it looks so much nicer than the 1861.
My father recently passed away and I inherited his vintage Omega Speedmaster Professional. My father has not had it serviced for a very long time and yet it still works and keeps good time. It has seen the wars and not in the best of condition. The original strap also long gone. My question is, how can I date this watch? The caseback is very plain with a light engraving of a horse like creature with "Speedmaster" above and Omega symbol underneath.
Sorry to hear about your father. Not a great club to be in, but you'll have the watch to cherish in his memory. In terms of dating, sounds like a pre-moon version, so pre-1969 when they started to put First Watch Worn on the Moon on the back (my video has a dating chart towards the end that may be of help). If it doesn't have that, it could be quite collectible (polished back with hippocampus in the centre), so be careful with it. There are a few good watchmakers out there, although I haven't tried any. Watches of Lancashire look a pretty good outfit as do David Carpenter Watches. Best thing to do is call them and explain the situation. Don't forget to send me some pictures by email though....I don't service, but am curious. Make sure you don't have the dial, and hands replaced.
@@TheEnglishWatch Thank you. My father away peacefully in his sleep. He was in a lot of pain and I am glad his suffering is over. You have given me so much insight, but I will take photographs and email to you and then we can discuss further there, as I am also curios. I have not tried to restore as I do with most of my vintage digital watches apart from polishing out deep scratches on acrylic. I will email you momentarily.
It looks like on the fly clasp adjustment has since been added as my new Speedmaster has this feature as opposed to the two hole adjustments on this video.
1971 may have had some crossover between stepped and non-stepped. The case back could be straight writhing or the modern medallion version with writing round the edge. The movement would be an 861 calibre.
Wow. Very interesting. Not seen this one before. Amazing how the modern Speedmaster dial was in use back in the 50’s. I think this is a great find for me, thanks for drawing my attention to it.
Hello, i think you have a little mistake on your comparison picture, which got me consufed when i was identifying my speedies. 1997 - 2014 have different caseback. There is different layer of holes for unscrewing caseback. Its good identification marker.
Just a quick question what do you think of the Omega Speedmaster moonwatch you have on a person with a small wrist?. Is the bracelet to Chunky, thanks.
I guess it depends on how small. On a strap the Speedy is pretty wearable. Looks like the new bracelet helps being shorter across the case also. Seek one out and give it a go. The First Omega in Space is an alternative.
Only recently started watch your channel, really well informed video about the iconic moonwatch. In your opinion do you think the changes that have been made are worthy of a 25% increase to the outgoing model? Looking forward to your next video 👍⌚🚀
On balance, next to competitor watches you have to say it is. Where others have difficulty is comparing it to the old model which was exceptional value.
The 3570.50 was a transitional model from 1996, ending the use of the 861 movement and tritium. The reference here would be ST 345.0022. In 1997 the 3570.50 started using super luminova and was fitted with the 1861 rhodium plated movement and went on to be the watch replaced in January this year with just a bracelet update. Is yours tritium or luminova? I think a 1997 model with tritium would be cool as I got marriage that year.
@@TheEnglishWatch brilliant, do you have a list of the reference model for the Speedmaster professionals? I can’t find them anywhere. Is the 3570.50 a good version to buy?
There are so many references for this watch. Given its age, you could go crazy. The 3570.50 is a good version as it’s the last of the 861 and Tritium. So this one and a big box previous gen with the 1861 movement, maybe one of the special editions. Early models like an St105.012 that went to the moon are quite expensive, but they are out there. Best thing to do if you’re very serious is buy the Moonwatch Only book. There’s a link in the description of the video. It’s got all you need and costs no more than a good leather strap.
Another great video Andy! Just wanted to dive in a little more on why you wouldn’t upgrade? I just brought the speedy sandwich and I’m super happy with my decision! Interested to hear your thoughts :)
I think it’s a case of you can’t buy ‘em all. I haven’t had the new one on the wrist yet, and am tempted by an open back, but can’t see myself trading a Hesalite for a Hesalite. Ultimately, I’m not made of money, and 1 Speedy in the collection is enough for now. I have my eye on too many!
I'm currently having a huge moonwatch fascination, I'll go to one of the Omega stores on friday and try some of them out. But I won't have $8000 to throw on a watch just yet :D
The Moonswatch move was an odd one. Imagine if Rolex had a lower side brand put out a plastic Submariner. I think Rolex is more protective of their brand, as they should. Swatch Group should tread lightly with their marketing of the higher end brands, especially Omega
BEWARE, OMEGA PRODUCTION ERROR - All Speedmasters with cal.1861 or cal.1863 movement (manual wound) paired with 5th of a second markers on dial (seconds divided into 5 parts) or paired with 4th of a second markers, and all with cal.3220 movement (automatic) paired with 5th-second markers on dial, have INACCURATE READING of the chronograph hand due to NO FIT between dial-markers of fractions-of-a-second and the movement’s beat-frequency per second. Cal.1861/1863 beat at 6 vibrations per second (6VPS) and require a 3rd or 6th of a second per marker between the seconds; the cal.3220 beats at 8 VPS and require a half or a 4th or 8th of a second between the markers. This affects Speedmasters with reference no. 311.10.39.30; 311.33.42.30; 311.30.42.30.01; 3590.50; 3572.50 et cetera (if they have 5th of a second markers paired with a 6 BPS movement - cal.1861 or 1863); 311.30.42.30.03 (a 4th of a second per marker); and it affects Speedmasters with ref. no. 3510.50; 3510.12; 3520.50; 2598.80 etc. (if they have 5th of a second markers, i.e. each second divided into 5 fractions of a second, paired with a 6 beats per second movement - cal.3220 or 1151 etc.). Incidentally, those with ref. no. 311.32.40.30.01.005; 311.30.42.30.01.004; 311.33.40.30.02.001; percent 311.32.42.30.04.003; 522.30.42.30.04.001 (cal.1861); 311.30.42.30.99.002 (cal.1863); 3876.50.31 (cal.1866) that have a 1/3 of a second per marker (each second divided into 3 parts, i.e. 2 sub-markers between each marker of a full second), are correct. Even Tudor had the same production error/design flaw, on all their Valj.-based 28,800 BPH (8 BPS) movement equipped Heritage chronographs, having 4 dividers between each full second marker, making it a 5th of a second per marker, with a CHRONO-hand that jerks forward 6 times per second and always miss the first and the third quarter-second-marker). Only now do we see it corrected. And only now have we recently seen Omega NOT cheating in this regard, more than 50 years after they stopped making their 18,000 BPH (5 BPS) movement, cal.321. They even cheated NASA, in the 1960s, equipping the astronauts with a 6 jerks per second chronograph hand over a dial with only 5 fraction-of-a-second markers. How lame and criminal isn’t that ? Even their so-called 1957 reissue has a 21,600 BPH (6 BPS) movement paired with each second divided into 5 fractions on the dial. Right, a CURRENTLY ONGOING mass sale of factory error/design flaw equipped CRAP, useless for what it is marketed as, a precision instrument for accurate split second timing. Criminal.
Blimey. Good job Omega have now fixed it. At least we now have digital stop watches. I’m not sure most wrist watch buyers needed that level of accuracy to boil an egg, but like you say, they are sold as precision instruments.
I have heard that this new model has overly sharp edges. I have no evidence for this other than other reports and vlogs but its worth mentioning as this seems to be a consisitent criticism from owneres according to the interweb? Any owners of the new variant please feed back. I love this watch and I am seriously thinking of buying one once funds permit
Great analogy. I’ll take a 70s or 80s Porsche 911 with fresh tires over a modern one any day. That’s why a 1861 is on my short list for this year. I think they botched the new models.
Only big upgrade is the bracelet especially for guys with slimmer wrists (myself). I wonder if the new bracelet can be fitted into the older 1861 watch without mods.
Word from multiple reliable sources, including some TH-cam broadcasters, report the finishing on the bracelet and the case is poor and feels cheap. Interesting if others have had the same experience.
I guess we need to see if these pieces were pre-production. I’d like to think Omega are better than that, but sometimes these things are rushed. The best feedback will be from the buying public. It’s going to be some time before I’m able to get my hands on one.
Personally found it ok, and the new bracelet is stunning in person, especially with the brushed hesalite version. The incremental improvements of the stepped dial and bracelet design have transformed the overall appeal of the watch. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's a solid package. I think this really doesn't come across well in photos- which all seem overexposed, leaving the improvements to the hard to spot on screen.
The new speedmaster moonwatches are crap- The fit and finish of the polishing of the case and bracelet is reminiscent of cheap replicas. I have visited 3 different AD's and tried on all different variations, with the same result. The edges of the bracelet, and the case in particular, are sharp enough to cut deep into the skin, when moderate pressure is applied. Omega forums on social media, are alos reporting the same.....Back to the drawing board.
That’s a shame, and unfortunate I’m unable to find out myself. I’m sure Omega won’t want this hanging over their most iconic watch. Let’s see what they ‘quietly’ do. Suspect there may be some returns on the back of the chatter that I’m sure they’ll want to put right.
Hello Andy, Thanks for the informative video on the Omega SpeedMaster Professional. I purchased my Omega SpeedMaster Professional Mk II, Movement 29637379, Ref. ST145 014 L on the 16th April 1971 in Canterbury, Kent. I am wondering, given your detailed knowlege, if you could give me some insight into the Mk II as I seldom hear anything about that particular model. It certainly comes across as pehaps an inferior model to the original. I would most welcome your personal views on the MkII if you are willing to share your opinion and knowledge with me. In anticipation I thank you greatly. William
Wow. I’d have been a mere 2 months old then. What made you go for the mark 2 if you can remember?
The mark 2 is the black sheep of the Speedmaster range, and is a curiosity. The case shape is very classic to the age it came out and I’m sure your example has taken on some patina along the way as they do.
I haven’t tried on an original, but have tried the recent re-edition. I find this watch to be handsome, but almost hockey puck thick for reasons best known to Omega. How thick is your 50 year old version? I imagine about the same as a regular Speedmaster.
There’s some great info to be found in the link.
chronomaddox.com/omega/articles/mark_series/MarkSeries.html
Thanks for enjoying the video. You have inspired me to write an edition for the Mark 2.
Andy.
th-cam.com/video/XOLpxwskvwc/w-d-xo.html
An applied marker Is always more luxury than painted/printed logo in my opinion
Another top video explaining proper content and history to this beautiful watch good job Andy 👍
These videos are so excellent. Very informative, and also extremely calming to listen to.
A well informed and slick video of the new speedmaster and its heritage, possibly my favourite speedmaster video to date and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen just about every speedmaster video on TH-cam by now 👍
Superb video overview of the Professional Speedmaster version, great video in TH-cam Top 3 with Hodinkee's " Understanding The Entire Lineage Of The Omega Speedmaster " !
Great video. Proudly wearing an 1861 as i enjoyed this one. Agree that i have no impulse to upgrade, however it's nice to see Omega make a few changes to the timeless classic.
Stoked about my 2021 moonwatch, picked it up last week. Thanks for the history Andy, it was nice to learn more about my new toy.
Been watching reviews lately of this version. This was the best take I have seen so far...I certainly learned the most of the changes.
I was looking at getting a vintage speedy because of the features it had back then so when this new model came out it gave us the best of the old and new and it’s absolutely perfect. I love it. It’s the perfect speedy.
Picked up mine last weekend, so happy! Thanks for the history!
Excellent history and informative narration. Just what I needed without reading with failing eyesight. Thank you.
This is the most comprehensive review and comparison year to year I've found. Very well done.
What a fantastic history of the Speedmaster Professional. It should really be called “The definitive Guide” I’ve been looking for something this comprehensive for some time. Many thanks for taking the effort to research it. I’ve owned a ref 3570.50.00 1861 calibre since 2007 and I still absolutely love it. The new 3861 looks great but I’ll be staying with my 1861 which is becoming a vintage of its own!
Another great job, Andy. I loved this history portion. I've seen many YT videos on the history of the Speedy, ever since I decided to buy one. Yours was very enjoyable and I particularly liked the side-by-side-by-side-etc images. It made me love my Speedy even more.
Many, many, many years ago I was in the U.S. Army. I noticed that Speedys were popular with our helicopter pilots. At first, I thought it was because it were expensive (even way back then). Pilots were warrant officers and made more money than poor enlisted guys like myself. But, it was more than that. First, it was a darn good watch. Second, it could be swapped for a NATO strap, which a lot of them liked to do. Third, the contrasting dial made it easy to read. The NASA heritage also was a reason. Finally, it looked so cool.
Although the prices at the Post Exchange were lower than retail stores (and no sales tax), there were still crazy expensive. I wanted one, but I literally could not afford one. Eventually, it fell off of my radar screen. Finally, in 2020 I snagged one at nearly triple the price. Sheesh. I have no regrets; because it is just as brilliant today at it was many decades ago. It might even be my Exit Watch. Bravo, Andy.
Thanks Rich. Great you finally got one of these timeless classics.
A really excellent, no BS resume of Speedy history - nice one! Two brews and geek out! I'm going backwards with Speedies. They never appealed (moon stuff nor chronos my bag), but I loved the new 3861, bought one and have become a bit obsessed with them! So now have picked up an 1861 and a couple of LEs! Your video really helped put them all into their historical context. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. You sound like a good candidate for the Moon Watch Only book, unless you already have it.
@@TheEnglishWatch Eeh, well I suppose it's the time of year to start dropping some hints! It would certainly beat socks!
Great Speedmaster Profesional History Andy, clear & concise, I Love my 1861, I was put off by previous mention of change to "Human", I'm glad Omega have changed back to "Manned", although New back does look a little cluttered in my opinion, Many Thanks for Omega Pouch, just what I / my speedy needed
Very Informative video! Thank you Andy!
The stepped dial is stunning in person, and in my view transforms the watch. The bracelet is solid and fits nicely with the taper, the clasp seems to have struck the right balance between durability and appeal- I think 20 years down the line this will look much better than a dented flat link bracelet. Hard to convey the changes until you've seen the watch in person, but it's certainly surprised me how much of a step up the overall package is when you add up all the incremental improvements
I look forward to being able to go to the shops again once our lockdown lifts to see for myself.
Excellent video, I enjoyed every minute - thank you, the 3861 is amazing
Thanks for a really fab and informative video, cheers Andy, keep well.
Great video Andy. I picked up my first Speedy today. The design of this watch is timeless
Great summary. Thank you very much!
Phenomenal video!!!!
You know your stuff! Great side by side comparison. Exactly what I was looking for!
Well done. I appreciate all the history. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the new 2021 hesalite. When I get bonked on the head and have it stolen in Los Angeles, it’s on you! No, seriously, great job.
Thanks, and great choice. I’m sure you’re safe with that piece of history on your wrist. If anyone tries to take it from you, you can bore them to death with why you bought it, and why the hesalite is the enthusiasts choice. They’ll soon bugger off.
Another great video great information you're easy to listen to, and could have a job on the telly. Watch with Andy lol
Great content. I enjoy your videos on my favorite watches.
Excellent review!
I just purchased the newest Omega Moonwatch this past December 2022 and it is wonderful. The new bracelet has an adjustable 5 mm tab that can be pushed back or forth.
That’s great and I hope you have years of enjoyment with it. Sounds like Omega have started to fit the micro adjust clasp recently. A miss at launch. Glad yours has it 👍.
Nice vid. Cherishing my 145.012-67 and 145.022-69 here 😊
Absolutely fantastic video. All the research and editing must have taken you an age. It really shows, very informative and enjoyable viewing.
Thanks. The finding out is half the fun. It did take a while though. Glad you enjoyed it.
I will be selling my 43.5mm planet ocean to fund the new sapphire Speedmaster. While I have a reasonably big wrist and hands I find the planet ocean too too heavy and deep. The speedy with its new tapered bracelet and 15mm clasp looks and is Omegas flagship piece and will compliment my Submariner 41mm date.
Keep up the amazing content and I hope you get the call for the GMT Master II.
Excellent review of the new moonwatch and of the entire history of this legendary timepiece! Comprehensive, thorough and highly informative! Well done!!
Excellent, thank you! Subscribed!
Hi Andy, This year I was fortunate to acquire both the 105.012 66-CB from 1967 and the 1863 Sapphire Sandwich 006 from 2017, love them both!
Fantastic. You just need an 861 from the 70’s or 80’s to complete the set. Maybe a 71 with a stepped dial.
Gotcha! 😂👌
The best, detailed and correct review! I shake my hand🤝
Thank you so much.
@@TheEnglishWatch 🔥🤝
Best review I have seen ⚛️🇺🇸
Came for the STEEL stayed for the Conclusion ! Nice work 👍
Awesome review, Thank you so much !!
Outstanding review, thanks!
Another superb video, Andy. Really well done!
nice documentary, loved it.
Very informative. I'm lucky enough to have a couple of Breitlings and a couple of Rolex and I think this will definitely be my first Omega. Thanks again. You have a new subscriber by the way!
Great Video and a lot of information.
Just became an owner of a 31130423001005 what a great watch. I’ll be consuming your videos at an alarming rate. You got my sub.
Thank you
Great report, on the “money” as NASA would say. Thanks. ☘️
Fantastic video, deserves to be seen!
Another great video about a great watch, can't wait to buy the new speedmaster 3861 sapphire sandwich
Thx for this interesting journey. Great video
Great video!
Hi agree with all , I have a 2004 moon watch panda get loads of compliments
Great video Andy. I have done exactly that, 1861 hesalite and new 3861 sapphire. I can confirm both sit nicely together in a collection :)
Very well made
Great video, thank you!
Great info, thanks
Hi Andy. Your videos keep getting better and better. Well done! I am certainly looking forward to getting the new model (to accompany my 1971 861). I also have a 321 on order, so it will be interesting to see what turns up first. Steven (Australia).
Thanks lovely 😊 informative easy going video 😎
Enjoyed the video a lot! Would love to see a comparison video with other timeless classics and which of them qualify as true and which are pastiche!
Hey mate. Are you sure the end link is hollow on the new speedy … I got the impression it is solid
I dont know if I’ve seen a better speedmaster history video. Very good! And regarding new speedy, that bracelet is just so nice, other changes I really do not mind. I hope it would be possible to buy it, maybe it fits older speedmasters.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I have my sapphire sandwich on the Uncle Seiko 1479 bracelet and feel no urge to buy the new one.
Nice video!
Fantastic video, i will buy one of these watches to celebrate when I become Financially free
Actual ensure Andy thank you love that
I have one, just purchased in 1970 and is fine
nice one... brill watch cheers
Andy another interesting video, 22 mins of spot the difference But still cant decide which one too buy, when too much choice does not help the casual buyer
No it doesn’t. I guess the right one will sing to you when you try it.
Amazing video mate. Do you end up buying an 3861? I have a hesalite 1861 and can’t decide wether to buy the 3861 as well, or to sell the 1861 and upgrade to the new one as I think it looks so much nicer than the 1861.
I still have my 1861. Was thinking of upgrading, but suspect I won’t. We’ll, not yet anyway.
The service interval for master coaxial movements is 10 years
3:22 Had to make note since you requested : not bezel but bevel.
I know. You can’t go back and undo these things. At least the text was right.
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Good stuff
Amazing content video excellent job
My father recently passed away and I inherited his vintage Omega Speedmaster Professional. My father has not had it serviced for a very long time and yet it still works and keeps good time. It has seen the wars and not in the best of condition. The original strap also long gone. My question is, how can I date this watch? The caseback is very plain with a light engraving of a horse like creature with "Speedmaster" above and Omega symbol underneath.
Sorry to hear about your father. Not a great club to be in, but you'll have the watch to cherish in his memory. In terms of dating, sounds like a pre-moon version, so pre-1969 when they started to put First Watch Worn on the Moon on the back (my video has a dating chart towards the end that may be of help). If it doesn't have that, it could be quite collectible (polished back with hippocampus in the centre), so be careful with it. There are a few good watchmakers out there, although I haven't tried any. Watches of Lancashire look a pretty good outfit as do David Carpenter Watches. Best thing to do is call them and explain the situation. Don't forget to send me some pictures by email though....I don't service, but am curious. Make sure you don't have the dial, and hands replaced.
@@TheEnglishWatch Thank you. My father away peacefully in his sleep. He was in a lot of pain and I am glad his suffering is over. You have given me so much insight, but I will take photographs and email to you and then we can discuss further there, as I am also curios. I have not tried to restore as I do with most of my vintage digital watches apart from polishing out deep scratches on acrylic. I will email you momentarily.
It looks like on the fly clasp adjustment has since been added as my new Speedmaster has this feature as opposed to the two hole adjustments on this video.
Hi…..have there been 1971 moonwatches with medallion casebacks and non stepped dials?
1971 may have had some crossover between stepped and non-stepped. The case back could be straight writhing or the modern medallion version with writing round the edge. The movement would be an 861 calibre.
I will buy it after several years, the 3861 had a lot of issues with it
1:40 - 1:47 - "i have a dream...to own an omega sapphire moonwatch" ⌚️
What are your thought on the original design by Rodania Geometer from 1953?
Wow. Very interesting. Not seen this one before. Amazing how the modern Speedmaster dial was in use back in the 50’s. I think this is a great find for me, thanks for drawing my attention to it.
Hello, i think you have a little mistake on your comparison picture, which got me consufed when i was identifying my speedies. 1997 - 2014 have different caseback. There is different layer of holes for unscrewing caseback. Its good identification marker.
Busted. I’ll have a look. You’ve got a good eye if you spotted that. Mind you, all the changes are minor. It’s what makes the watch special.
Just a quick question what do you think of the Omega Speedmaster moonwatch you have on a person with a small wrist?. Is the bracelet to Chunky, thanks.
I guess it depends on how small. On a strap the Speedy is pretty wearable. Looks like the new bracelet helps being shorter across the case also. Seek one out and give it a go. The First Omega in Space is an alternative.
Ok thanks Andy, hopefully will do when the shops reopen.
Only recently started watch your channel, really well informed video about the iconic moonwatch. In your opinion do you think the changes that have been made are worthy of a 25% increase to the outgoing model? Looking forward to your next video 👍⌚🚀
On balance, next to competitor watches you have to say it is. Where others have difficulty is comparing it to the old model which was exceptional value.
Can you bring up the multiple reports of the overly sharp edges on the case and bracelet?
I’ve not seen this for myself yet. Once I get to try one for real I’ll comment.
Great video Andy 👍
What are you thoughts on the globemaster?
I like it. If you have other watches with the Seamaster or Speedmaster case, this one is a nice alternative to the Aqua Terra.
When was the 3570.50 moonwatch model introduced and ended? What are your thoughts on it?
The 3570.50 was a transitional model from 1996, ending the use of the 861 movement and tritium. The reference here would be ST 345.0022. In 1997 the 3570.50 started using super luminova and was fitted with the 1861 rhodium plated movement and went on to be the watch replaced in January this year with just a bracelet update. Is yours tritium or luminova? I think a 1997 model with tritium would be cool as I got marriage that year.
@@TheEnglishWatch brilliant, do you have a list of the reference model for the Speedmaster professionals?
I can’t find them anywhere. Is the 3570.50 a good version to buy?
There are so many references for this watch. Given its age, you could go crazy. The 3570.50 is a good version as it’s the last of the 861 and Tritium. So this one and a big box previous gen with the 1861 movement, maybe one of the special editions. Early models like an St105.012 that went to the moon are quite expensive, but they are out there.
Best thing to do if you’re very serious is buy the Moonwatch Only book. There’s a link in the description of the video. It’s got all you need and costs no more than a good leather strap.
Another great video Andy! Just wanted to dive in a little more on why you wouldn’t upgrade? I just brought the speedy sandwich and I’m super happy with my decision! Interested to hear your thoughts :)
I think it’s a case of you can’t buy ‘em all. I haven’t had the new one on the wrist yet, and am tempted by an open back, but can’t see myself trading a Hesalite for a Hesalite. Ultimately, I’m not made of money, and 1 Speedy in the collection is enough for now. I have my eye on too many!
I'm currently having a huge moonwatch fascination, I'll go to one of the Omega stores on friday and try some of them out. But I won't have $8000 to throw on a watch just yet :D
Plenty of used ones out there for less.
Yes I have mine , happy as Larry , who ever he is ?
The Moonswatch move was an odd one. Imagine if Rolex had a lower side brand put out a plastic Submariner. I think Rolex is more protective of their brand, as they should. Swatch Group should tread lightly with their marketing of the higher end brands, especially Omega
how come the astronauts didnt use the '69 version with 861?
The 321 models were issued to NASA years before and just kept as part of their kit. 861 models flew later, but not to the moon.
did they use the same 321 movement speedys on all 6 moon landings? or did some use the 861@@TheEnglishWatch
@explorerjlc1743 they were 321 Speedys, but not all the same model.
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BEWARE, OMEGA PRODUCTION ERROR - All Speedmasters with cal.1861 or cal.1863 movement (manual wound) paired with 5th of a second markers on dial (seconds divided into 5 parts) or paired with 4th of a second markers, and all with cal.3220 movement (automatic) paired with 5th-second markers on dial, have INACCURATE READING of the chronograph hand due to NO FIT between dial-markers of fractions-of-a-second and the movement’s beat-frequency per second. Cal.1861/1863 beat at 6 vibrations per second (6VPS) and require a 3rd or 6th of a second per marker between the seconds; the cal.3220 beats at 8 VPS and require a half or a 4th or 8th of a second between the markers.
This affects Speedmasters with reference no. 311.10.39.30; 311.33.42.30; 311.30.42.30.01; 3590.50; 3572.50 et cetera (if they have 5th of a second markers paired with a 6 BPS movement - cal.1861 or 1863); 311.30.42.30.03 (a 4th of a second per marker); and it affects Speedmasters with ref. no. 3510.50; 3510.12; 3520.50; 2598.80 etc. (if they have 5th of a second markers, i.e. each second divided into 5 fractions of a second, paired with a 6 beats per second movement - cal.3220 or 1151 etc.).
Incidentally, those with ref. no. 311.32.40.30.01.005; 311.30.42.30.01.004; 311.33.40.30.02.001; percent 311.32.42.30.04.003; 522.30.42.30.04.001 (cal.1861); 311.30.42.30.99.002 (cal.1863); 3876.50.31 (cal.1866) that have a 1/3 of a second per marker (each second divided into 3 parts, i.e. 2 sub-markers between each marker of a full second), are correct.
Even Tudor had the same production error/design flaw, on all their Valj.-based 28,800 BPH (8 BPS) movement equipped Heritage chronographs, having 4 dividers between each full second marker, making it a 5th of a second per marker, with a CHRONO-hand that jerks forward 6 times per second and always miss the first and the third quarter-second-marker). Only now do we see it corrected. And only now have we recently seen Omega NOT cheating in this regard, more than 50 years after they stopped making their 18,000 BPH (5 BPS) movement, cal.321. They even cheated NASA, in the 1960s, equipping the astronauts with a 6 jerks per second chronograph hand over a dial with only 5 fraction-of-a-second markers. How lame and criminal isn’t that ?
Even their so-called 1957 reissue has a 21,600 BPH (6 BPS) movement paired with each second divided into 5 fractions on the dial. Right, a CURRENTLY ONGOING mass sale of factory error/design flaw equipped CRAP, useless for what it is marketed as, a precision instrument for accurate split second timing. Criminal.
Blimey. Good job Omega have now fixed it. At least we now have digital stop watches. I’m not sure most wrist watch buyers needed that level of accuracy to boil an egg, but like you say, they are sold as precision instruments.
I have heard that this new model has overly sharp edges. I have no evidence for this other than other reports and vlogs but its worth mentioning as this seems to be a consisitent criticism from owneres according to the interweb? Any owners of the new variant please feed back. I love this watch and I am seriously thinking of buying one once funds permit
As soon as I can drop into an AD I’ll be finding out for myself.
Great analogy. I’ll take a 70s or 80s Porsche 911 with fresh tires over a modern one any day. That’s why a 1861 is on my short list for this year. I think they botched the new models.
Owned the 1861, and now the 3861, holy smokes the new one makes the old one look like a steaming pile of turd
Ya forgot the auto 125 speedy.
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Only big upgrade is the bracelet especially for guys with slimmer wrists (myself). I wonder if the new bracelet can be fitted into the older 1861 watch without mods.
The cases are very different, but I’m sure someone will try.
The dials look completely different in person. Newer is much nicer.
MoonSwatch anyone?
It is too expensive for what it is. You can buy for less money a Breatling Navitimer or a Zenith el Primero.
I’m sure discounts will start once Omega realise price matters.
Word from multiple reliable sources, including some TH-cam broadcasters, report the finishing on the bracelet and the case is poor and feels cheap. Interesting if others have had the same experience.
I guess we need to see if these pieces were pre-production. I’d like to think Omega are better than that, but sometimes these things are rushed. The best feedback will be from the buying public. It’s going to be some time before I’m able to get my hands on one.
Personally found it ok, and the new bracelet is stunning in person, especially with the brushed hesalite version. The incremental improvements of the stepped dial and bracelet design have transformed the overall appeal of the watch. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's a solid package. I think this really doesn't come across well in photos- which all seem overexposed, leaving the improvements to the hard to spot on screen.
You English people are among the biggest watch investors who buy watches put them in the vault and wait like scammers the price to grow. Fullstop
The new speedmaster moonwatches are crap- The fit and finish of the polishing of the case and bracelet is reminiscent of cheap replicas. I have visited 3 different AD's and tried on all different variations, with the same result. The edges of the bracelet, and the case in particular, are sharp enough to cut deep into the skin, when moderate pressure is applied. Omega forums on social media, are alos reporting the same.....Back to the drawing board.
That’s a shame, and unfortunate I’m unable to find out myself. I’m sure Omega won’t want this hanging over their most iconic watch. Let’s see what they ‘quietly’ do. Suspect there may be some returns on the back of the chatter that I’m sure they’ll want to put right.
@@TheEnglishWatch In case you missed this- th-cam.com/video/smAyw81WeTE/w-d-xo.html
The bracelet of the new model feels light, cheap and rough
Definitely Swiss made in China!!
Boring man