2 hot black cups in morning, one iced black in afternoon, or hot tea. Good for the morning throne, helps get me motivated to workout, an appetite suppressor for my fasting. Those factors for me are a big plus.
This. Probably one of the most important factors. Average fiber intake for USA is 10-15g. "brewed coffee contained a significantly higher amount of soluble dietary fiber (0.47-0.75 g/100 mL of coffee)" so 3 cups would give 3.2-5.5g of fiber. That is a potential increase of dietary fiber intake of up to 55%. Seems like a highly relevant factor.
From the paper: "Similar associations were observed when patterns of caffeinated coffee drinking timing or decaffeinated coffee drinking timing were evaluated separately"
I really wish they would mesure blood levels from green tea drinkers and compare them to coffee drinkers. I'd love to see blood count statistics for chlorogenic acid or other polyphenols compared to ACM. Btw Ive not answered your question on what blood markers I would mesure for a low IGF1 (related to milk vs soy yoghurt consumption) because I am not longer convinced that a low IGF-1 is beneficial. In fact low levels on steroid hormones may be the reason for my nykturia.
I'm guessing that accounting for the diet quality did not address whether diets were high in polyphenols which may be one way coffee improves health in some although higher diet quality should be higher polyphenol. On the other hand the study population was US adults so overall diet quality was marginal at best. A number of studies have shown an association between high polyphenol intake and lower all cause mortality. Quite a few studies in pubmed on coffee and mortality all of which seem favorable, at least for moderate intake. But still puzzling why such a difference in this study based on time of day. I have 2 or 3 cups 1 of which are caffeinated. Decaf tea rest of day.
Impact on sleep quality might be the reason? Or maybe the people drinking coffee at night are also eating late at night which is not good for one's health?
Why do these studies measure in seemingly arbitrary cups? How much is a cup & how can it be measured? There are so many variables when it comes to coffee. I measure caffeine intake but how can someone reliably link their consumption to the results of a study like this?
Well, it is epidemiology right? So they ask people how much they drink. People will not be able to provide more accurate data than how many times they buy/fill up a cup of coffee.
Hi @SargeMaximus, from the paper: "Similar associations were observed when patterns of caffeinated coffee drinking timing or decaffeinated coffee drinking timing were evaluated separately"
@@conqueragingordietrying123 Oh one more question, is this easuring cup, or just whatever cup you use for your coffee? (Mine is probably 2-3 measuring cups equivalent)
@ fantastic thank you so much. I’m definitely an all day drinker when I’m not working. Rarely drink coffee when I work tho, dehydrates me too much. It’s crazy tho, McDonald’s large cup is supposedly 30 ounces!
Any coffee/caffeine study that doesn't consider slow versus fast caffeine metabolizers is flawed from the beginning. There's an enzyme in your liver called CYP1A2 which is responsible for processing 95% of ingested caffeine. Depending on your genetics, your CYP1A2 may be amazing, making you a fast caffeine metabolizer, or it may not be so great, making you a slow caffeine metabolizer. My own thought is that drinking more coffee reduces appetite, which lead to reduced consumption of saturated fat on a standard diet, thus leading to lower all cause mortality.
always wondered what these 2-3 cups r like when it comes to ground coffee (to put into hot water) still assuming to this day its 20g coffee grounds total (on 600ml hot water in a huge mug) but i dont actually know :P id feel like a teenage girl inefficiently running to some machine making tiny cups 1 by 1 waiting after for each to cool down (ppl actually do that unironically, right)?
i think coffee overall is neutral but bc it is like a natural anorexiant or anorexic agent it results in people eating less(potentially?), ofc some anorexic agents are worse than overeating like smoking...
@conqueragingordietrying123 Indeed that's true. What is surprising about these data is the magnitude of effect. I recognize there is a cost to change things up, but are there similar green tea studies that show a similar magnitude?
2 hot black cups in morning, one iced black in afternoon, or hot tea.
Good for the morning throne, helps get me motivated to workout, an appetite suppressor for my fasting.
Those factors for me are a big plus.
I'm surprised they didn't consider shift work as a Confounding factor
Right, that's another variable that should be included!
Great work, so it's not the caffeine that is somewhat 'protective' ....
Did they adjust for fiber intake? Coffee has a lot of fiber.
They didn't, but the AHEI could account for some of that...
This. Probably one of the most important factors. Average fiber intake for USA is 10-15g. "brewed coffee contained a significantly higher amount of soluble dietary fiber (0.47-0.75 g/100 mL of coffee)" so 3 cups would give 3.2-5.5g of fiber. That is a potential increase of dietary fiber intake of up to 55%. Seems like a highly relevant factor.
@@Optimizemore I totally agree, and btw, great username!
Love us some coffee ☕️
Can those who are caffeine-sensitive or don't want to raise insulin/BS/cortisol just do this with decaf?
From the paper:
"Similar associations were observed when patterns of caffeinated coffee drinking timing or decaffeinated coffee drinking timing were evaluated separately"
I really wish they would mesure blood levels from green tea drinkers and compare them to coffee drinkers.
I'd love to see blood count statistics for chlorogenic acid or other polyphenols compared to ACM.
Btw Ive not answered your question on what blood markers I would mesure for a low IGF1 (related to milk vs soy yoghurt consumption) because I am not longer convinced that a low IGF-1 is beneficial. In fact low levels on steroid hormones may be the reason for my nykturia.
I'm guessing that accounting for the diet quality did not address whether diets were high in polyphenols which may be one way coffee improves health in some although higher diet quality should be higher polyphenol. On the other hand the study population was US adults so overall diet quality was marginal at best. A number of studies have shown an association between high polyphenol intake and lower all cause mortality. Quite a few studies in pubmed on coffee and mortality all of which seem favorable, at least for moderate intake. But still puzzling why such a difference in this study based on time of day. I have 2 or 3 cups 1 of which are caffeinated. Decaf tea rest of day.
Impact on sleep quality might be the reason? Or maybe the people drinking coffee at night are also eating late at night which is not good for one's health?
@gordo3582 true.
Exactly how much is 1 cup in the study? 240ml ? Or how many grams of ground beans?
Hi @johnsyoutube23, 8 oz = 1 cup in this study
Model adjustment makes this data much more meaningful.
Perhaps caffeine/coffee extends healthspan by way of exercising antimicrobial action(s) that reduce systemic microbial load.
Or other metabolites in coffee...
Michael, have you begun 2-3 cups per day? If so, have you seen any positive/negative changes in your labs?
Hi @GaiasFleas, I'm a tea drinker, but occasionally have coffee, too. I'm caffeine-sensitive, so I need to be careful with intake
Why do these studies measure in seemingly arbitrary cups? How much is a cup & how can it be measured? There are so many variables when it comes to coffee. I measure caffeine intake but how can someone reliably link their consumption to the results of a study like this?
8 oz
Well, it is epidemiology right? So they ask people how much they drink. People will not be able to provide more accurate data than how many times they buy/fill up a cup of coffee.
I just drink one cup per hour to cover all my bases
It potentially covers the bases only if consumed in the morning
What about decaf?
Hi @SargeMaximus, from the paper:
"Similar associations were observed when patterns of caffeinated coffee drinking timing or decaffeinated coffee drinking timing were evaluated separately"
@ thanks!
@@conqueragingordietrying123 Oh one more question, is this easuring cup, or just whatever cup you use for your coffee? (Mine is probably 2-3 measuring cups equivalent)
@@SargeMaximus 8 oz/cup in the study
@ fantastic thank you so much. I’m definitely an all day drinker when I’m not working. Rarely drink coffee when I work tho, dehydrates me too much. It’s crazy tho, McDonald’s large cup is supposedly 30 ounces!
It’s good to see they tried to account for the healthy user bias.
Any coffee/caffeine study that doesn't consider slow versus fast caffeine metabolizers is flawed from the beginning. There's an enzyme in your liver called CYP1A2 which is responsible for processing 95% of ingested caffeine. Depending on your genetics, your CYP1A2 may be amazing, making you a fast caffeine metabolizer, or it may not be so great, making you a slow caffeine metabolizer.
My own thought is that drinking more coffee reduces appetite, which lead to reduced consumption of saturated fat on a standard diet, thus leading to lower all cause mortality.
always wondered what these 2-3 cups r like when it comes to ground coffee (to put into hot water)
still assuming to this day its 20g coffee grounds total (on 600ml hot water in a huge mug) but i dont actually know :P
id feel like a teenage girl inefficiently running to some machine making tiny cups 1 by 1 waiting after for each to cool down (ppl actually do that unironically, right)?
@@sooooooooDark no stop being gay
All day.
Watch the video?
i think coffee overall is neutral but bc it is like a natural anorexiant or anorexic agent it results in people eating less(potentially?), ofc some anorexic agents are worse than overeating like smoking...
The data in the video suggests that coffee intake is not neutral
@@conqueragingordietrying123 yea i saw, but im skeptical, but boy i sure love ma coffee!
Mike, would you be interested in putting green tea aside to try a coffee experiment? I think many people would find this content interesting 🤔
Hi @ADorschner, I don't do experiments just to see what happens-is there a rationale for why coffee would be better for my biomarkers than green tea?
@conqueragingordietrying123 Indeed that's true. What is surprising about these data is the magnitude of effect. I recognize there is a cost to change things up, but are there similar green tea studies that show a similar magnitude?