I always liked the 351 Cleveland in a Pantera , my brother has a 1969 mach 1 428 corba jet 4 speed mustang , I run a 1972 Pontiac 455 H.O. , that 1971 boss 351 is a cool ride , real car guys appreciate all cool cars.
Boss 351 stock times. 5.7 0-60, 1/4 mile 13.6 seconds. ZO6. 3.6 sec. 0-60 and 11.6 1/4 mile. As a 1966 Mustang owner, someone spent a ton of money to make that Boss beat the Vette. Takes 550 to 600hp to beat the Vette, maybe more. Thats a far cry from the 330 factory rated Boss 351. At most, stock, the Boss had 385. ZO6 for the win. Sorry.
I have had many small block chevy combinations and a few Clevelands and theres no comparison a well built Cleveland will smoke the others with its huge 2.19 intake valves and tennis ball sized ports the small chevy heads just run out of breath when the Big Cleveland heads are just getting started. Look what Glidden did with it he sent all the Chevys and others home on the trailer they came and tried to beat the Cleveland powered undefeated Ford Fairmont and others that he raced and they lost but the chevy guys will never admit it but i have a bunch of the videos. The Cleveland motor was ahead of its time no other company had a small block that could touch it and it was all because of those heads.
I guess you have never seen the ls7 427. It's not a small block chevy. lol. Huge square ports with 2.25 intake titanium valves, dry sump, titanium rods. They run in the low 11's high 10's stock.
LAVAROCK100 that's why they gave him the nickname "mad dog",nhra would add weight to handicap him,he'd just find more horsepower in that 351&still beat their asses!!!!
Watched a build comparison compared to the LT whatever Chevy. The Boss 351 had the same torque and torque curve just 25-30 more hp. An interesting test. They actually weren't low on torque like many say.
@@deborahchesser7375 With a stock compression ratio of 11.7:1 I think you're right. I did beat one racing in 1980 with a full size Dodge. Maybe it was just running poorly.
I had a '70 Dodge Charger 440 Magnum SE, rated 375 I think, back in the day. . . raced a Boss 351 up on the interstate. Shouldn't have done that. That Boss started pulling away from the start and was still pulling away the last I saw him when I was doing about 130. I didn't like those Bosses very much.
@Phoenix Nope, it’s because the Boss 351 was a highway screamer. Big valves and free flowing heads meant peak power was around 6,000 rpm. It could still keep pulling well past that and continue to make good power. The Boss 351s were fast cars in their time.
I had a boss 351 I changed a few things beefed engine up to 13 to1 compression,hooker super compheaderers,accell duel point racing distributor ,offenhauser 360 D Intake ,1150 dominator,msd dynoed 550 hp by time I was in third gear I was doing 150 raced a gto three times on 185 in ga and my speedometer brokebut his motor broke I went and got my tow bar and we rebuilt his motor over the weekend and became quick friends
Yes the Boss 351 was the fastest out of all the Boss mustangs and would smoke alot of muscle cars with bigger motors. Ive been running Clevelands for many years and get a kick out of the guys running ford windsors and chevys the Cleveland easily makes so much more power. I wouldn't trade my garage full of cleveland motors and parts for any other motor.
Dave's Radio Repair if you got the boss 429 and put a different rear end on it and tweeked the feul/air mixture in the carb you can take on just about any production car made in a 1/4 mile, i just saw it about a month ago.
The boss is different but the average 351 Cleveland I remember back in the day was one of the slowest motors you could get. I like the boss 351 a lot, But I never saw a stock regular 351 Cleveland not get beat by any of the other stock competition of the day., Like 340 Chrysler, Which were very common. I also wonder how a stock 351 Cleveland compares 2 small block Chevy or 340 by weight. How much does one weigh-in comparison?
Preserving history is very important when it comes to Ford and this is what I do very well. The 351 Boss/Cleveland was the dominating engine during Prostock back in the eighties when Glidden and Dyno Don were racing. With this engine they crushed Chevy. They made the Fords carry more weight and they still beat them. Why do you think NHRA (Henchmen for Chevy) mandated a 500 Ci rule. It was to get rid of the Cleveland. GM then created the DRCE engine then Glidden got the 429 boss and crushed them.
Don't forget the NASCAR 366 that was way before it's time? Chevy was aloud to use mushroom.tappets and wild cams to stay in completion because NASCAR didn't allow roller cams at that time.
Yeah... What about the Cleveland/Hemi rivalry in pro stock? I read somewhere that even those big mopars had trouble against the Clevelands. Even adding weight to the Fords. Someone know this?
@@fernandochaves9665 IN 1970 THE GAPP & ROUSH 351 POWERED CLEVELAND REIGNED TERROR IN PROSTOCK EVEN OVER THE HEMI'S, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG. CRY BABY CHEATING GRUMPY JENKINS PROTESTED THE CAR AND HAD IT BANNED. GRUMPY JENKINS WAS THE BIGGEST CHEATING PIECE OF SHIT IN RACING. THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH CHEATING HE DID OVER THE YEARS. IF HE HAD THIS TYPE OF POWER OVER THE NHRA. HE HAD THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE OVER ALL THE PROSTOCK RACERS. BECAUSE THE NHRA LOOKED THE OTHER WAY TO GIVE CHEVY A ADVANTAGE AND ALLOW CHEVY TO WIN.
The 71 351 Boss was a very fast car. They were underrated big time by Ford . I had a 71 Boss 351 and regret ever selling it. It was rated @ 330 hp and 380 ft lbs if I remember correctly . But mine dynoed @ 353 rwhp Torque was only underrated by a few lbs
Jack Brewer You my friend are correct i have a hotrod magazine with the greatest smallblocks of the muscle car era Ford and GM and Chrysler,the Boss 351 Cleveland was the most powerful of all motors tested HP was 383 and torque was 391 at around 6800 RPM....
I had a 71,,,I got it when the 78 Camaros came out at 185 horse ,,,mine was super beat up so it was a burn when they get across the intersection and I was at the end of the block doing 70 ,,
The 351 Cleveland was a great drag motor because it's torque curve is so high (due to the gigantic ports) that you could have a lot of power and a lot of off-the-line traction. If I'm not mistaken, the Boss 351 was the fastest 1/4 Mustang from the factory-- even faster than the Boss 429 (which was made for Nascar).
Street racing is like that; someone picks on you and tries to mouth you down; he looks over your car and decides that he can win. So he buys a Z06 and thinks he is king. I just beat his ass badly, crushed his lousy Z06, took his money and pride, and posted the video so he cannot come back one day and say that he didn't get wiped because in street racing, they are all bad losers! If he wanted to race highway, I will set up my Boss with highway gears, adjust my suspension + beat his ass again!
Late to the party here, lol. Your Stang is obviously built to run an 11.8, what the Z06 should have ran stock if the dude knew how to drive. That being said, I love old muscle, hence my username. There’s nothing “lousy” about the Z06 btw.
One of the greatest engines ever built along with the 427 side oiler and cammers that were the scourge of nascar. Chevy and mopar saw the cammer and Boss 429 as their DEMISE and whined like little babies to get them banned because even mopars Hemi could,nt rum with the Boss ,let alone the cammer. Bob Glidden was constantly screwed by nascar with BS weight added to his car cuz Chevy and mopar were losing every race. Even then he still kicked their whiny asses down the track every race by turning more power out of the incredible cleveland motors. The reason the 351C was called the BB killer was its incredible powerband that had no kinks in it. From idle to 7000 rpm that motor was pulling hard cuz of those monster intake and exhaust ported heads supplying the screamer with fresh air. Chevy never could compete with ford SB engines, even the boss 302 had those monster heads and was the best breathing SB on the market in 70. The 69 Z28 DZ302 was supposed to be the answer to the boss 302 but its weak 2.02 heads made it a pooch unless it was wound to 7000 rpm when you dumped the clutch. Fords 302 on the other hand had the awesome cleveland heads supplying it air and the 2.23 intake ports on 69 were bigger than any BB chevy Or Mopar that year.
335 series 351 Cleveland Boss 302 and 385 series 429cj Boss 429 and 460 Ford were the culmination of racing programs Ford wanted to have engines they could easily transition over into any Motorsport. Each had the best designs you will find in a cam in block engine. Malaise era combined oil crises and Ford leaving factory backed racing after 73’ because of the government asking them to stopped the production of many of these high performance engines relegated to truck and pasa her car use choked up with endless emissions system
Bill Elliot in 1986 lapped the field twice under green flag conditions at Talladega and still holds the qualifying and race records with a 351 Cleveland. Bobby Allison's chevy powered Buick with its weak ass chevy front crank snout broke off and went under the tire blowing it out causing a massive crash which implemented the restrictor plate once again because Ford was too hard to handle. NHRA hung 300 lbs on Bob Glidden's 351 Cleveland because the 350 chevy boys couldn't hold a candle.
MrHP463 , yeah I remember that . I don't feel bad for Ford though they both Ford and Chevy through NASCAR did far worse to Mopar . Same reason , neither could catch those Dodge and Plymouths . . . . First limited engine size , still couldn't catch them . So they NASCAR told them to put restrictor plates on the smaller displacement engines so Ford and Chevy would have a chance . That's when Mopar told NASCAR to stuff it . . . . . I liked Ford engines had several in various vehicles . Had a 429 SCJ in a ' 71 ' Ford half ton with a wood flat bed . . . . was cedar . Had about 200lbs of steel and concrete between the frame rails behind the rear axle and a position in a 9 inch . Put a '78' front end under it with discs . A built C6 behind the 429 . Nothing in the cab but a 'lightened' bench seat . Plexi windows . At the time that was my daily driver . The last engine I built for a street rod ' 53 ' 3100 5 window pick up . All glass cab , fenders , with an all aluminum 'stock' appearing bed . Ford 9" posi out back , built 727 , 4500 Stahl , a seriously massaged 318. . . . . .3/8 gram and red line set at 9000 . On a dyno. 497hp at 5250 on pump gas when we shut down it was still pulling hard . I never dyno. over 5250 rpm even on engines that will achieve better numbers higher , just me . Front of cyl head six inches behind spindle center line , mustang II front end with big Chevy discs up front and a '77' Grenada rear with discs out of police car . . . . . Again fully street able and a daily driver . Ran three runs 10:02 - 10:12 in the quarter on just engine 10:02 was the best 10:12 was the slowest . Just wanted an idea and it never seen the track again. Had a 150 wet kit I never used but it was there in case . I stopped everything to do with NASCAR when they did Mopar like that . I'd have done the same if it'd been Chevy or Ford . Be well .
@@addiumuppicus5738 if NASCAR wouldn't have outlawed the cammer, mopar and chevy would have been smoked every race every year by Ford's, but Plymouth and Chevrolet bitched because of sohc design. They damn lucky NASCAR listened!
You are close. Actually the engine was a 351 Windsor style block for better oiling, with Cleveland size rods and mains and Robert Yates Cleveland style cylinder heads.
My first car was a 71 Torino with all the GT extras but not all the badges. 351 Cleveland. Fast car and solid with very few breakdown issues.Just a hard runner. Ran circles around Windsor Mustangs and Chevy 350s
MY FRIEND HARDCORE CHEVY MAN, OLDER BROTHER HAD A PLAIN JANE BONE STOCK 1970 GT TORINO 351 CLEVELAND, AUTOMATIC BENCH SEAT CAR NONE-POSI THIN BIASPLY TIRES. THEY TOOK IT TO NATIONAL SPEEDWAY BACK IN THE EARLY 70'S AND THE CAR WON IT'S CLASS DOING 14 FLAT. AS HE WAS WAITING FOR THE LIGHT AT THE LINE HE WAS STILL FIXING HIS SEAT BELT AND THE LIGHT HAD CHANGED AND HE STILL MANAGED 14 FLAT, ALSO WITH THIN TIRES AND NO POSI. HE BEAT EVERYTHING AND ALSO HIS FRIENDS 400 GTO, 340 CUDA, 383 ROAD RUNNER.
A little more information for you, My father worked as a ford mechanic when he purchased this car. He and a friend (who use to work on nascar engines) would soup cars up for the whole town and the police station. Him and his friend can highly tune a car to get every ounce of power out of a stock car and keep in stock. This mustang kept breaking second gear band, so he replaced it with a band from a lincoln continental and took the slippage out of the automatic, thus much more power.
Thanks Tim,,, you could be right but part of street racing, (although I race at the track because it is more safe, honest, and legal), is about "sizing down" your opponent. At the end, it's the "nut" between the seat and the steering wheel that makes the difference between 10 and 12 seconds!
..how right you are! In Montreal, there are not alot of classic cars that drive around on the streets and could also clock 11 1/2 seconds on the quarter mile. Most race cars are trailered to the track and cannot idle in traffic. I have been driving and racing this car for over 20 years and everybody knows it. Even before he challenged me, he asked all the mechanics and other drag racers if he could beat me with his ZO6 so it's not like he went in blind!
Bravo!!!...and that's what I have been saying for sooooo long! When the Z06 picked out his fight, he knew that my Mustang was modified, running under 12 seconds, (as the whole race track also knew), and he thought he was just a better driver! Maybe he was a good driver but cracked like putty under pressure! Afterall, it's not easy staging at the lights!
yes it is buddy ,in australia the 302 is a cleveland it has a shorter stroke and 6 inch rods and closed chamber 58cc heads and we have the 351 cleveland as well,the picture is a factory 302 cleveland 2 barrell !
...I drive the Boss to the drag strip and have a full interior, (ie, back seat, AM/FM CD radio in dash, etc.), as well as street legal mufflers on during this race! The vette was the same but I guess missing some balls.
the boss 351's were so under-rated in power by Ford. they did this for insurance reasons and what not. I seen a Boss 351 make 490HP and 520TQ. it was using a modern HYD roller cam ground to factory specs, long tube headers. stock intake and heads, these are just wicked awesome engines.
Not Bullshit! They were underrated for insurance purposes, please know what your talking about before coming to the comments and sounding like a total jackass bud!!
VAPOR-I was there kiddie--you were not--the muscle cars from the 60's and 70's were NEVER underrated for insurance purposes--that was public relations BULLSHIT, everyone in the industry knew it then, and knows it now. And you cannot provide one bit of proof to the contrary. In fact the horsepower ratings were OVER RATED. Before 1972 all horsepower ratings were industry GROSS which means rating out of the car on a bench with no muffler, belts, or smog gear. After 1972 all industry ratings were done SAE-NET which means as INSTALLED in the car, the same one used today. Thus the powerful 426 Dodge Hemi horsepower dropped from 425 to 350. The 440-6pack dropped from 395 to 325, and the 440 375 dropped from 375 to 305 horsepower. Same with the Ford ratings. The BOSS 351 was listed at 330 horsepower GROSS but by the SAE-NET it is really 275. The 1/4 mile times tell the truth--any stock 2017 Dodge Charger with 5.7 375 horse V-8 can reach 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and 1/4 in 13.7. None of these stock 1970 302, 351. 428. 429 Fords could beat that time in spite of the Charger being 500 pounds heavier. A 2017 Mustang with V-6 actually puts out more horsepower than that old 1970 BOSS 302 as the 0-60 time of 6 seconds proves. Only by putting the 4.30 Detroit Auto Locker rear end on the old BOSS 302 could it beat that time, fine if you want a car that cruises the freeway limited at 50 mph. So VAPOR go back to bed into dreamland pal-those old cars were NOT that powerful and NOT that quick----I know what I am talking about--you are just a kid basing your comments on what you read in some bullshit web page. Let me know if you need some more education--you need it. So who looks the jackass now?
You could hear and see ur car is really hooken up.The speed at the end was only a two mile per hour diff., u smoked him off the line!I had a grabber blue and argent boss 351 in the mid eighties(just like the one in the car crazy show!u got a badd ass stang there (nice to see it humbling a vet owner!)
Under my account, 70 Mustang with 4V heads - 13.5 sec 1/4. mile, stock w/mild cam. "GT40 351 Mirage engine", 1967 winning at Spa, Kyalami, Karlskoga, Skarpnack, and Montlhery. The Mirage 351XE.... winning against 427 MKII's, Ferrari 412P's and Lola T70 MKIII's. Once upon a time the 351C 4V was the darling of the performance industry. Ford was proud of its new motor and all the DELIBERATE engineering that went into it, Nobody was complaining the ports were too big.
That’s a badass Boss, definitely not stock, they’re a 13.5 car bone stock, crappy 70s tires and all, which is a second faster than the CJ 429, the C6Z is an 11.5 second car stock, this driver just isn’t 11.5 seconds. With a good driver, it would be a close match, until you start modding the C6Z
I can't believe you've made it this far without hearing these terms, but I'm going to help you out. You personally modified you Boss, that would be referred to as CUSTOM and GM is selling a high performance model known as the Z06, this car is to be considered FACTORY. I'm glad I could help you clear that up. No need to thank me. The pleasure is all mine.
its a 40 some year old car. the fact that you can invest less money in it and it can still take down the vette is honestly kindof sad. investment to performance, oldschool always wins.
I am probably the only race car that drives an hour to the track to race. My mustang goes on the highway, could sit in traffic for hours, and is driven in the streets all the time. Aluminum heads is wonderful!!! And I have been driving it in the street for over 30 years. That is why it has a valid license plate and is probably the fastest street car without NOS in Montreal.
It is a blue color with a moonroof. Fully loaded with all the options. She was quiet upset when it went caput. I towed it with a chain with my expedition, its been sitting since. Its got a brand new set of tires. I looked up the issue and several people report the same issue with the reverse going out, and the hard jerks into gears that hers was doing. It used about 2 quarts of oil every two tanks of gas, and smoked like a freight train.
Ptown Rat the boss 351 held the record for fastest factory stock 4 seater. Ill admit, the one time zi rode in the back seat of a 70 (it was a 428 4spd) i vowed never again.
Cleveland, the Original LS, just imagine this power plant with todays machining technology, computer controlled engine management and fuel injection, almost limitless power !!!
Not true. The Boss 351 was rated at 330hp (gross rating). By 1972 most manufactures were using (sae net) horsepower ratings which dropped gross ratings around 20% on average. Best case, the Boss 351 had 385hp gross, by todays standards that's 308hp sae net. 308hp in a 3,500lb. car, not impressive. The Z06 had 505hp sae net and weighed 3,140lbs. The stock Mustang would be no match for the ZO6.
Mustang is an authentic Boss351 but the engine is modified. I modified my motor and GM modified the 'vettes and called it a Z06! I guess my modifications are better and I'll call it a "Winner!"
Well since a bone stock 1971 351 Boss Mustang ran high 13's in the 1/4 mile, I'd venture to say yours has been significantly tuned. Put a cam, exhaust, tires and a new driver in that vette it would be a different race. A tweaked LS7 will run high 10's all day. Gotta admit though that 351 is a stout package... 11.66 is very respectable.
THE ZO6 IN THOSE YEARS WAS NO FASTER THAN 12.7 IN THE QUARTER, AND THAT IS A RESPECTABLE TIME. AT ENGLISHTOWN BACK THEN A GUY BOUGHT THE SAME EXACT ZO6 LIKE THIS ONE AND COULDN'T GO FASTER THAN 12.7. HE DID ALL KINDS OF STUPID SHIT LIKE POWER BRAKING IT OFF THE LINE AND IT STILL WOULD GO ANY FASTER. ANOTHER GUY HAD ONE AND HIS DID 13.01. ANOTHER GUY HAD A WORKED ONE AND DID CONSISTANT 12.12'S. THE LS IS ACTUALLY A REGUIRGITATED 427 FORD HIGH RISER ENGINE AKA RAISED PORT 351 WINDSOR. EVERYTHING CHEVY TODAY USES IN RACING IS ALL FORD IN DESIGN, FROM THE LS, OLD SB2 NASCAR, RO7 NASCAR, DRCE, ALL YOUR SYMETRICAL HEAD AFTER MARKET CHEVY RACE ENGINE ARE FORD CLEVELAND DESIGNS, ALL YOUR BIG CUBE MOUNTAIN CHEVY MOTORS ARE FORD BOSS 429 DESIGNS. NOTHING IS RACING IS CHEVY ANYMORE. CHEVY HAS BEEN CHEATING THEIR WAY TO THE RACE TRACK FOR DECADES SINCE THE AMA BAN OF 1957.
@@Frank289100 dude, stfu you don't know shyt about anything cuz you know OF someone that didn't know wtf they were doing. And you are yet another moron that thinks the LS were copied from Ford... STOCK C5 Z on a stock tire has been as fast as 11.7x easily beating this C6 Z time... This was not a legit race by a competent driver.
Closed chamber Cleveland heads were the best street heads ever made. Ford had BIG plans for that Cleveland engine platform had the EPA not stepped in in the 70's. When the Cleveland engine was being designed in the mid to late 60's, Ford had plans to destroy Chrysler and GM in the horsepower wars.
Yes Clevelands are the baddest small blocks ever! I have a '81 capri with a 30 over cleveland, 4V closed chamber heads, Milidon sever duty valves, .700 lift mech roller, Funnel Web intake with the tungs, 4150 950cfm dominnator, stock crank and rods, all ARP rod, main, and head bolts, MSD ign, 4,000 TCI stall, manual valve body C4, 4:30 gears, and all aftermarket bolt on suspension. Car has gone a best of 9.40's in the quarter with a 150shot NOS. Dollar for Dollar, I have not been beaten yet! I love the look on the Chevy boy's faces when I pop the hood on this car when they see the cast iron heads. WHAT THE!!!!
my dad also has a built Cleveland in a 89 Coupe Mustang. around a 700 lift cam forged pistons and crank but the 2v heads with Parker intake his are the Australian which I always was told pretty desirable heads. he has 430 gears and 950 Pro System carburetor with a built C4 and transbrake. car runs 1020 on motor and 9.20 with a 175 shot. the Cleveland is definitely a hidden Jewel and now that they're making stroker kits sky's the limit.
i built many 351c than i had a thought the 400m no one builds those 4' bore and 4' stroke holy shit a factory stroked cleveland bingo i got a 400 block and crank bored it 30 over took 351c trw domed pistons had R&R make me a set of custom alum rods used my 351c 4v closed chamber heads that have the high port plates on them cam research solid roller cam 351c tunnel ram with spacer plates from PME two 1050 dominators hooked to a top loader trans that was modified pro shifted ...this thing ran a best 9.10 in the quarter i still have this engine and a couple 400 blocks and cranks and thats the engines i use now 351c block are getting hard to find but there plenty 351m and 400 there actually the same block 351 has a 3.5 stroke 400 4' stroke crank thats the only difference so if you find a 351m just get a 400 crank
LAVAROCK100 that's interesting the 400 with the right build setup with heads etc seems to be a awesome budget big power combo l really like your thinking a completely square 4inch badass bore/stroke smart guy
The 351c is a beast what some people don't realize is the older engine with a little bit of this new technology can easily make over 600hp with out Any type of forced induction
The thing is the Chevy people have probably never owned a true Cleveland made from late 69 to Mid 74 and have no clue of how well they run. A few years back my friend had a bone stock 351 CJ with the junk autolite 4300 carb in a 73 Gran Torino Sport big heavy boat and none of our Chevelles could touch it. I've had plenty of small and big block Chevys and quite a few Cleveland's and I will never race anything else but the Ford Cleveland. You can't judge the Ford Cleveland with the newer 351m and 400 they were dogs in stock form because of emissions they came out with pistons that looked like the Grand Canyon and cams with at least 4 degrees retarded. Most of them didn't have enough power to get out of their own way just like a 305 Chevy.
the corvette guy is like my tires weren't sticky enough, and there was a misfire, and the timing is not right, or i was running the wrong fuel Lol, or not the right pressure in the tires lol
Wow! 330hp stock!! A true 14-15 second qtr mile car!!!
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Scrimmer08, '71 - '73 Mustangs aren't as heavy as most people think. With a 351, they're about 3400 - 3550 lbs, depending on options. Add about 200 lbs for a 429. I weighed my '72 Fastback, which had the 351-C at the time, and it was around 3400.
We are based out of Louisville. Like I said Tim Klenk is the owner. It use to be called Klenk, but we are now Summit. You're also welcome to take it a step further and come see me. I'd be happy to show you all my vehicles in person. My girl is a RN. Together we make about 450k a year. I'd love to see what you make a year.
@David Anderson: no nitrous, just horsepower and knowing how to drive! We are not talking about stock or not stock,, this is about street-racing! Here's a guy who bought a 505 hp Z06, thought he was king, and picked on me after knowing that I have been street-racing my Boss for years. Not about the amount of modifications or horsepower because the vette thought that he could ruled the streets with a Z06. He talked shit so me and my Boss blew him away and shoved his 505 hp emblem up his a*s!
He is a typical Gm big mouth, as long as they think they have the advantage, they run that mouth, I love to break it off in their asses with an under rated Ford!!!
Thanks! People don't know really realize that when racing with street tires, it's all about hookup (and also reaction time)... Street tires are not the most consistant and that is why I smoke them so long! Otherwise, a litte spinning could lose the race!
As for callouts, if anything, the faux Boss wore only a subtle fender decal that announced "351 H.O. Mustang," unless it was a SPORTSROOF dressed out with the Mach 1 striping. So our mustang is not a HEAVY BOSS. So its a 72 Mustang Special Edition Sportsroof 351-4V H.O. V-8 So now my story is much more plausible since it has a Strong Light engine, and a much lighter car than the Boss, one pictured. Very Rare.
Mustang's street tires: Expensive to run but sticks like slicks: Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials P275 60R15 For 2011, I am trying Nitto NT 555R tires,,, same size! Both makes are DOT street legal
thats all i wanted to say, every car company has ups and downs, to say one is better and deserves all the respect is lame, i can appreciate any car company, becaus i like cars, in all the many forms of cars, thanks for not being a close minded ass, you are a real car person
...full tilt: alum heads, hi-rise alum intake, tricked out suspension, Barry Grant Holley, etc... it's all in the setup... car shifts at 6700 rpm, (top power range), and crosses the finish line at 6700 rpm... that's how races are won!... suspension and maximizing the power range!
That's "Fake News" as the Boss ran 13.60 quarter mile from the factory! www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-1112-1971-429-mach-1-1971-boss-351
...absolutely right! ...it was the Z06 who wanted to race me and thought he could beat me! ....everyone knows how fast my modified car runs as it races on the street and track most of the summer!
"The H.O. is so rare that we've only seen a few examples and only one or two as nice as the coupe you see on these pages." "With its marriage of lightest body to most powerful engine, this Medium Bright Yellow coupe with few creature comforts was built for speed." "After trailering the coupe back from its seller in KANSAS" Looks like my story is coming together well now.
The Boss 351 Cleveland with ram air was definitely the meanest small block ever produced by The Big Three back then. No Chevrolet small block could compete with this beast. I'm talking pure stuck.
I forgot to mention the Rare R-Types have the H.O. engine with a 4barrel carb, not the 2 barrel (better emissions) like you are refering too. So, much more horsepower than the engine you are referring too. Dynoes 312tq at rear. "With its marriage of lightest body to most powerful engine, this""was built for speed."
Quote from MustangMonthly about the R code "With its marriage of lightest body to most powerful engine, this Medium Bright Yellow coupe with few creature comforts was built for speed." "According to a Marti Auto Works report, there were only 14 coupes ordered with the H.O. powerplant." "because it's essentially a Boss 351 that no one knows about." It is a COUPE not a heavy BOSS. The coupe weighs a few hundred less.
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The LS block is a copy of the Ford modular block. With its cross bolt mains, gerator oiling pump what GM essentially did is adapt a cam into a Modular motor then thicken the webbing.. The modular blocks are known to hold from 800-1000HP. A BUNCH OF FUCKING CLOWNS AT GM. You Tube - Cobra Ferrari wars. An amazing history.
A friend had a 1971 351 Mustang and the thing really flew until he got the idea that his 427 Tunnel Port would be a good fit and he put a Hone -O -Drive in it ,too . No comparison , the 427 was unbelievable fast .No hemi or L88 could touch that old stock car motor . Don't believe the hype because I worked on all the muscle cars back in the day . The only way to own a real screamer like the ones I mentioned is that you had to be able to keep them in tune .As far as the 351 they really came to life after you raised the exhaust ports .
Yeah, like all the 3 deuce set ups of the 60's. Many thought they were wonderful. Racers actually hated them. Had to retune them, just for a wind direction change...
Had a nutball friend in High School, took a perfectly good 67 Shelby GT350, cram a Boss 351 engine in it ... on slicks, pulled the front wheels off the ground 18" !!! Fast forward 30years, he regrets not keeping it original. But WTF!!!
So technically the Corvette had the advantage on Displacement size and More HP according to GM's stat's, But most GM lovers always under estimated what a Ford 351Ci is capable of for power. And honestly all the Boss Mustang owner had to do is install a bigger camshaft and springs,K and N air filter, and headers to get that type of HP like in this one.
However, the BOSS 351 is the #1 engine I would like to put into my '67 Falcon street/ roadrace car. The engine is wicked and ideal for my awesome/retro/modern project. If only I could afford one, (which I cannot) or find one. (which I cannot)
I'm a old school stang man. Don't care for that body style but I would take that motor n throw it in a 70 or under. I had a 68 gt fastback 390 back in the day
Your description of the video is wrong. Your Boss isn't a street machine. It's built for the track. The Z06 drove home and to work the next day and on vacation... It is built for the street.
I always liked the 351 Cleveland in a Pantera , my brother has a 1969 mach 1 428 corba jet 4 speed mustang , I run a 1972 Pontiac 455 H.O. , that 1971 boss 351 is a cool ride , real car guys appreciate all cool cars.
boss 351 mustang - the most under-appreciated muscle car in history
Agreed
MyOldPiano caPcom no way that boss is stock
Listen to it! Of course it's nowhere near stock.
You definitely got that statement correct
Yeah cause alot of people were overhyping the 69-70 Models which I have nothing against.
Love to see the old fords kicken ass on new tech chevys
Not hard to do
Boss 351 stock times. 5.7 0-60, 1/4 mile 13.6 seconds.
ZO6. 3.6 sec. 0-60 and 11.6 1/4 mile. As a 1966 Mustang owner, someone spent a ton of money to make that Boss beat the Vette. Takes 550 to 600hp to beat the Vette, maybe more. Thats a far cry from the 330 factory rated Boss 351. At most, stock, the Boss had 385.
ZO6 for the win. Sorry.
That's real American muscle there. Mustang has the look, sound and balls in this race
What a shame , that 351 boss engine was not used in the 1970 , that will be the greatest mustang
I have had many small block chevy combinations and a few Clevelands and theres no comparison a well built Cleveland will smoke the others with its huge 2.19 intake valves and tennis ball sized ports the small chevy heads just run out of breath when the Big Cleveland heads are just getting started. Look what Glidden did with it he sent all the Chevys and others home on the trailer they came and tried to beat the Cleveland powered undefeated Ford Fairmont and others that he raced and they lost but the chevy guys will never admit it but i have a bunch of the videos. The Cleveland motor was ahead of its time no other company had a small block that could touch it and it was all because of those heads.
And as the rpms come up the power comes on, at least my 71 mach does
I guess you have never seen the ls7 427. It's not a small block chevy. lol. Huge square ports with 2.25 intake titanium valves, dry sump, titanium rods. They run in the low 11's high 10's stock.
LAVAROCK100 that's why they gave him the nickname "mad dog",nhra would add weight to handicap him,he'd just find more horsepower in that 351&still beat their asses!!!!
Dave's Radio Repair amen all it takes is the right combination and what you mentioned and your comment
andrew paul titanium rods what Fantasyland are you in
Boss 351. One of the best factory drag engines ever made (as long as you're spinning over 5000 rpm).
Watched a build comparison compared to the LT whatever Chevy. The Boss 351 had the same torque and torque curve just 25-30 more hp. An interesting test. They actually weren't low on torque like many say.
The Boss heads breathe better than any other factory head,that’s the magic.
Hahaha. 330hp stock!!!
@@greasyhitchball I’d say more like 400 ish right especially at 6500
@@deborahchesser7375 With a stock compression ratio of 11.7:1 I think you're right. I did beat one racing in 1980 with a full size Dodge. Maybe it was just running poorly.
Those Cleveland's were no joke
They don’t make them like they used to. I’m the proud owner of a 65 mustang fastback 289 k-code Hi-Po
I had a '70 Dodge Charger 440 Magnum SE, rated 375 I think, back in the day. . . raced a Boss 351 up on the interstate. Shouldn't have done that. That Boss started pulling away from the start and was still pulling away the last I saw him when I was doing about 130. I didn't like those Bosses very much.
@Phoenix Nope, it’s because the Boss 351 was a highway screamer. Big valves and free flowing heads meant peak power was around 6,000 rpm. It could still keep pulling well past that and continue to make good power. The Boss 351s were fast cars in their time.
Closet Ford owner
@@CarFacts81
Disgruntled anti-FORD fan.
I had a boss 351 I changed a few things beefed engine up to 13 to1 compression,hooker super compheaderers,accell duel point racing distributor ,offenhauser 360 D Intake ,1150 dominator,msd dynoed 550 hp by time I was in third gear I was doing 150 raced a gto three times on 185 in ga and my speedometer brokebut his motor broke I went and got my tow bar and we rebuilt his motor over the weekend and became quick friends
I bypassed rev limiter with accell racing distributor had two 36 oz points that handled up to 12 grand I shifted between 8500 and 10,000
Yes the Boss 351 was the fastest out of all the Boss mustangs and would smoke alot of muscle cars with bigger motors. Ive been running Clevelands for many years and get a kick out of the guys running ford windsors and chevys the Cleveland easily makes so much more power. I wouldn't trade my garage full of cleveland motors and parts for any other motor.
Dave's Radio Repair if you got the boss 429 and put a different rear end on it and tweeked the feul/air mixture in the carb you can take on just about any production car made in a 1/4 mile, i just saw it about a month ago.
Even the Boss 302 was bad had one
Yup have a boss 351 in my 72 grabber Maverick .
@@timlink341 I have a factory 74 Grabber and that sounds Bad ass!
To bad Ford went cheap on the block
Cleveland... Boss 351 were all Cleveland motors!
The boss is different but the average 351 Cleveland I remember back in the day was one of the slowest motors you could get. I like the boss 351 a lot, But I never saw a stock regular 351 Cleveland not get beat by any of the other stock competition of the day., Like 340 Chrysler, Which were very common.
I also wonder how a stock 351 Cleveland compares 2 small block Chevy or 340 by weight. How much does one weigh-in comparison?
Preserving history is very important when it comes to Ford and this is what I do very well. The 351 Boss/Cleveland was the dominating engine during Prostock back in the eighties when Glidden and Dyno Don were racing. With this engine they crushed Chevy. They made the Fords carry more weight and they still beat them. Why do you think NHRA (Henchmen for Chevy) mandated a 500 Ci rule. It was to get rid of the Cleveland. GM then created the DRCE engine then Glidden got the 429 boss and crushed them.
Yes Glidden and others kicked some serious a** with Cleveland's
Don't forget the NASCAR 366 that was way before it's time? Chevy was aloud to use mushroom.tappets and wild cams to stay in completion because NASCAR didn't allow roller cams at that time.
Yeah... What about the Cleveland/Hemi rivalry in pro stock? I read somewhere that even those big mopars had trouble against the Clevelands. Even adding weight to the Fords. Someone know this?
@@fernandochaves9665 IN 1970 THE GAPP & ROUSH 351 POWERED CLEVELAND REIGNED TERROR IN PROSTOCK EVEN OVER THE HEMI'S, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG. CRY BABY CHEATING GRUMPY JENKINS PROTESTED THE CAR AND HAD IT BANNED. GRUMPY JENKINS WAS THE BIGGEST CHEATING PIECE OF SHIT IN RACING. THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH CHEATING HE DID OVER THE YEARS. IF HE HAD THIS TYPE OF POWER OVER THE NHRA. HE HAD THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE OVER ALL THE PROSTOCK RACERS. BECAUSE THE NHRA LOOKED THE OTHER WAY TO GIVE CHEVY A ADVANTAGE AND ALLOW CHEVY TO WIN.
@@Frank289100 Thanks.
The 71 351 Boss was a very fast car. They were underrated big time by Ford . I had a 71 Boss 351 and regret ever selling it. It was rated @ 330 hp and 380 ft lbs if I remember correctly . But mine dynoed @ 353 rwhp Torque was only underrated by a few lbs
Jack Brewer You my friend are correct i have a hotrod magazine with the greatest smallblocks of the muscle car era Ford and GM and Chrysler,the Boss 351 Cleveland was the most powerful of all motors tested HP was 383 and torque was 391 at around 6800 RPM....
Have never seen the back end of a vette. Only the grille in my rear view mirror as I'm pulling away.
I had a 71,,,I got it when the 78 Camaros came out at 185 horse ,,,mine was super beat up so it was a burn when they get across the intersection and I was at the end of the block doing 70 ,,
The algorithm has blessed me with my dream car ripping a legendary tire warm up
...if you want to see more, go to website: 1971boss351mustangforsale.com
The 351 Cleveland was a great drag motor because it's torque curve is so high (due to the gigantic ports) that you could have a lot of power and a lot of off-the-line traction. If I'm not mistaken, the Boss 351 was the fastest 1/4 Mustang from the factory-- even faster than the Boss 429 (which was made for Nascar).
love that body style on mustang
Street racing is like that; someone picks on you and tries to mouth you down; he looks over your car and decides that he can win.
So he buys a Z06 and thinks he is king. I just beat his ass badly, crushed his lousy Z06, took his money and pride, and posted the video so he cannot come back one day and say that he didn't get wiped because in street racing, they are all bad losers! If he wanted to race highway, I will set up my Boss with highway gears, adjust my suspension + beat his ass again!
Wallace Lee can you do a video on your boss?
Late to the party here, lol. Your Stang is obviously built to run an 11.8, what the Z06 should have ran stock if the dude knew how to drive. That being said, I love old muscle, hence my username. There’s nothing “lousy” about the Z06 btw.
One of the greatest engines ever built along with the 427 side oiler and cammers that were the scourge of nascar. Chevy and mopar saw the cammer and Boss 429 as their DEMISE and whined like little babies to get them banned because even mopars Hemi could,nt rum with the Boss ,let alone the cammer. Bob Glidden was constantly screwed by nascar with BS weight added to his car cuz Chevy and mopar were losing every race. Even then he still kicked their whiny asses down the track every race by turning more power out of the incredible cleveland motors. The reason the 351C was called the BB killer was its incredible powerband that had no kinks in it. From idle to 7000 rpm that motor was pulling hard cuz of those monster intake and exhaust ported heads supplying the screamer with fresh air. Chevy never could compete with ford SB engines, even the boss 302 had those monster heads and was the best breathing SB on the market in 70. The 69 Z28 DZ302 was supposed to be the answer to the boss 302 but its weak 2.02 heads made it a pooch unless it was wound to 7000 rpm when you dumped the clutch. Fords 302 on the other hand had the awesome cleveland heads supplying it air and the 2.23 intake ports on 69 were bigger than any BB chevy Or Mopar that year.
And they still lost
335 series 351 Cleveland Boss 302 and 385 series 429cj Boss 429 and 460 Ford were the culmination of racing programs Ford wanted to have engines they could easily transition over into any Motorsport. Each had the best designs you will find in a cam in block engine. Malaise era combined oil crises and Ford leaving factory backed racing after 73’ because of the government asking them to stopped the production of many of these high performance engines relegated to truck and pasa her car use choked up with endless emissions system
Glidden, nascar? Bob was a drag racer, i do think
When I was in college my friend had a yellow Boss 351 beat my Boss 302 every time!
Awesome vid. Clevelands are under appreciated engines!
GO FORD, GO BLUE!!!
Bill Elliot in 1986 lapped the field twice under green flag conditions at Talladega and still holds the qualifying and race records with a 351 Cleveland. Bobby Allison's chevy powered Buick with its weak ass chevy front crank snout broke off and went under the tire blowing it out causing a massive crash which implemented the restrictor plate once again because Ford was too hard to handle. NHRA hung 300 lbs on Bob Glidden's 351 Cleveland because the 350 chevy boys couldn't hold a candle.
MrHP463 , yeah I remember that . I don't feel bad for Ford though they both Ford and Chevy through NASCAR did far worse to Mopar . Same reason , neither could catch those Dodge and Plymouths . . . . First limited engine size , still couldn't catch them . So they NASCAR told them to put restrictor plates on the smaller displacement engines so Ford and Chevy would have a chance . That's when Mopar told NASCAR to stuff it . . . . . I liked Ford engines had several in various vehicles . Had a 429 SCJ in a ' 71 ' Ford half ton with a wood flat bed . . . . was cedar . Had about 200lbs of steel and concrete between the frame rails behind the rear axle and a position in a 9 inch . Put a '78' front end under it with discs . A built C6 behind the 429 . Nothing in the cab but a 'lightened' bench seat . Plexi windows . At the time that was my daily driver . The last engine I built for a street rod ' 53 ' 3100 5 window pick up . All glass cab , fenders , with an all aluminum 'stock' appearing bed . Ford 9" posi out back , built 727 , 4500 Stahl , a seriously massaged 318. . . . . .3/8 gram and red line set at 9000 . On a dyno. 497hp at 5250 on pump gas when we shut down it was still pulling hard . I never dyno. over 5250 rpm even on engines that will achieve better numbers higher , just me . Front of cyl head six inches behind spindle center line , mustang II front end with big Chevy discs up front and a '77' Grenada rear with discs out of police car . . . . . Again fully street able and a daily driver . Ran three runs 10:02 - 10:12 in the quarter on just engine 10:02 was the best 10:12 was the slowest . Just wanted an idea and it never seen the track again. Had a 150 wet kit I never used but it was there in case . I stopped everything to do with NASCAR when they did Mopar like that . I'd have done the same if it'd been Chevy or Ford . Be well .
@@addiumuppicus5738 if NASCAR wouldn't have outlawed the cammer, mopar and chevy would have been smoked every race every year by Ford's, but Plymouth and Chevrolet bitched because of sohc design. They damn lucky NASCAR listened!
All suctioning bodies have tried to tie back Ford's...351Cleveland...427 SOHC in NASCAR...
Yeah, the boss 351 is a step ahead of the Cleveland. Both are great engines but the 71 boss was special. Ford should have kept the boss 351.
You are close. Actually the engine was a 351 Windsor style block for better oiling, with Cleveland size rods and mains and Robert Yates Cleveland style cylinder heads.
My first car was a 71 Torino with all the GT extras but not all the badges. 351 Cleveland. Fast car and solid with very few breakdown issues.Just a hard runner. Ran circles around Windsor Mustangs and Chevy 350s
MY FRIEND HARDCORE CHEVY MAN, OLDER BROTHER HAD A PLAIN JANE BONE STOCK 1970 GT TORINO 351 CLEVELAND, AUTOMATIC BENCH SEAT CAR NONE-POSI THIN BIASPLY TIRES. THEY TOOK IT TO NATIONAL SPEEDWAY BACK IN THE EARLY 70'S AND THE CAR WON IT'S CLASS DOING 14 FLAT. AS HE WAS WAITING FOR THE LIGHT AT THE LINE HE WAS STILL FIXING HIS SEAT BELT AND THE LIGHT HAD CHANGED AND HE STILL MANAGED 14 FLAT, ALSO WITH THIN TIRES AND NO POSI. HE BEAT EVERYTHING AND ALSO HIS FRIENDS 400 GTO, 340 CUDA, 383 ROAD RUNNER.
A little more information for you, My father worked as a ford mechanic when he purchased this car. He and a friend (who use to work on nascar engines) would soup cars up for the whole town and the police station. Him and his friend can highly tune a car to get every ounce of power out of a stock car and keep in stock. This mustang kept breaking second gear band, so he replaced it with a band from a lincoln continental and took the slippage out of the automatic, thus much more power.
Thanks Tim,,, you could be right but part of street racing, (although I race at the track because it is more safe, honest, and legal), is about "sizing down" your opponent. At the end, it's the "nut" between the seat and the steering wheel that makes the difference between 10 and 12 seconds!
..how right you are! In Montreal, there are not alot of classic cars that drive around on the streets and could also clock 11 1/2 seconds on the quarter mile. Most race cars are trailered to the track and cannot idle in traffic. I have been driving and racing this car for over 20 years and everybody knows it. Even before he challenged me, he asked all the mechanics and other drag racers if he could beat me with his ZO6 so it's not like he went in blind!
Bravo!!!...and that's what I have been saying for sooooo long! When the Z06 picked out his fight, he knew that my Mustang was modified, running under 12 seconds, (as the whole race track also knew), and he thought he was just a better driver! Maybe he was a good driver but cracked like putty under pressure! Afterall, it's not easy staging at the lights!
yes it is buddy ,in australia the 302 is a cleveland it has a shorter stroke and 6 inch rods and closed chamber 58cc heads and we have the 351 cleveland as well,the picture is a factory 302 cleveland 2 barrell !
That Boss ate up the 'Vette
Fuckin right on,ford crushes a fuckin ol chev again
...I drive the Boss to the drag strip and have a full interior, (ie, back seat, AM/FM CD radio in dash, etc.), as well as street legal mufflers on during this race! The vette was the same but I guess missing some balls.
the boss 351's were so under-rated in power by Ford. they did this for insurance reasons and what not. I seen a Boss 351 make 490HP and 520TQ. it was using a modern HYD roller cam ground to factory specs, long tube headers. stock intake and heads, these are just wicked awesome engines.
BULLSHIT; No muscle cars were ever underrated for insurance reasons--another BS myth
Not Bullshit! They were underrated for insurance purposes, please know what your talking about before coming to the comments and sounding like a total jackass bud!!
chad haire the fuck they weren't!!!
VAPOR-I was there kiddie--you were not--the muscle cars from the 60's and 70's were NEVER underrated for insurance purposes--that was public relations BULLSHIT, everyone in the industry knew it then, and knows it now. And you cannot provide one bit of proof to the contrary. In fact the horsepower ratings were OVER RATED.
Before 1972 all horsepower ratings were industry GROSS which means rating out of the car on a bench with no muffler, belts, or smog gear. After 1972 all industry ratings were done SAE-NET which means as INSTALLED in the car, the same one used today. Thus the powerful 426 Dodge Hemi horsepower dropped from 425 to 350. The 440-6pack dropped from 395 to 325, and the 440 375 dropped from 375 to 305 horsepower.
Same with the Ford ratings. The BOSS 351 was listed at 330 horsepower GROSS but by the SAE-NET it is really 275. The 1/4 mile times tell the truth--any stock 2017 Dodge Charger with 5.7 375 horse V-8 can reach 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and 1/4 in 13.7. None of these stock 1970 302, 351. 428. 429 Fords could beat that time in spite of the Charger being 500 pounds heavier. A 2017 Mustang with V-6 actually puts out more horsepower than that old 1970 BOSS 302 as the 0-60 time of 6 seconds proves. Only by putting the 4.30 Detroit Auto Locker rear end on the old BOSS 302 could it beat that time, fine if you want a car that cruises the freeway limited at 50 mph.
So VAPOR go back to bed into dreamland pal-those old cars were NOT that powerful and NOT that quick----I know what I am talking about--you are just a kid basing your comments on what you read in some bullshit web page. Let me know if you need some more education--you need it. So who looks the jackass now?
SElberg: I left you a message too Goober...
So the real story is "Built old car beats stock new one". Got it.
You could hear and see ur car is really hooken up.The speed at the end was only a two mile per hour diff., u smoked him off the line!I had a grabber blue and argent boss 351 in the mid eighties(just like the one in the car crazy show!u got a badd ass stang there (nice to see it humbling a vet owner!)
Under my account, 70 Mustang with 4V heads - 13.5 sec 1/4. mile, stock w/mild cam. "GT40 351 Mirage engine", 1967 winning at Spa, Kyalami, Karlskoga, Skarpnack, and Montlhery. The Mirage 351XE.... winning against 427 MKII's, Ferrari 412P's and Lola T70 MKIII's. Once upon a time the 351C 4V was the darling of the performance industry. Ford was proud of its new motor and all the DELIBERATE engineering that went into it, Nobody was complaining the ports were too big.
That’s a badass Boss, definitely not stock, they’re a 13.5 car bone stock, crappy 70s tires and all, which is a second faster than the CJ 429, the C6Z is an 11.5 second car stock, this driver just isn’t 11.5 seconds. With a good driver, it would be a close match, until you start modding the C6Z
429 cj was low mid 13 second stock too it was just as good if not better than Cleveland had similar heads 429 had more cubes ..
I can't believe you've made it this far without hearing these terms, but I'm going to help you out. You personally modified you Boss, that would be referred to as CUSTOM and GM is selling a high performance model known as the Z06, this car is to be considered FACTORY. I'm glad I could help you clear that up. No need to thank me. The pleasure is all mine.
My father had boss 351 mustang it was a beast
That's some quality video action there.
its a 40 some year old car. the fact that you can invest less money in it and it can still take down the vette is honestly kindof sad. investment to performance, oldschool always wins.
ThunderHead289 knowledge over 💰
I am probably the only race car that drives an hour to the track to race. My mustang goes on the highway, could sit in traffic for hours, and is driven in the streets all the time. Aluminum heads is wonderful!!! And I have been driving it in the street for over 30 years. That is why it has a valid license plate and is probably the fastest street car without NOS in Montreal.
It is a blue color with a moonroof. Fully loaded with all the options. She was quiet upset when it went caput. I towed it with a chain with my expedition, its been sitting since. Its got a brand new set of tires. I looked up the issue and several people report the same issue with the reverse going out, and the hard jerks into gears that hers was doing. It used about 2 quarts of oil every two tanks of gas, and smoked like a freight train.
ford had it all with BOSS 429 badass eat your hearts out chevy and mopar guys
That Mustang sounds fabulous.
congrates bro.that is a fast car u beat hands down .way to go.
The mustang boss 351 is nice, but the mustang boss 429 is abit nicer in my opinion..
In your opinion could you are anyone you have ever known afford a Boss 429 mustang ?
Agree
dont laugh, the boss 351 was the best small block ever made. its really a 400+ hp stock motor.
Ptown Rat the boss 351 held the record for fastest factory stock 4 seater. Ill admit, the one time zi rode in the back seat of a 70 (it was a 428 4spd) i vowed never again.
That is what was in ‘71 and I won at Atco. Best engine.
I'm looking at an easy 550 hp with breathing and the Holley sniper treatment. Pure evil engine!
Cleveland, the Original LS, just imagine this power plant with todays machining technology, computer controlled engine management and fuel injection, almost limitless power !!!
Not true. The Boss 351 was rated at 330hp (gross rating). By 1972 most manufactures were using (sae net) horsepower ratings which dropped gross ratings around 20% on average. Best case, the Boss 351 had 385hp gross, by todays standards that's 308hp sae net. 308hp in a 3,500lb. car, not impressive. The Z06 had 505hp sae net and weighed 3,140lbs. The stock Mustang would be no match for the ZO6.
Mustang is an authentic Boss351 but the engine is modified. I modified my motor and GM modified the 'vettes and called it a Z06! I guess my modifications are better and I'll call it a "Winner!"
Well since a bone stock 1971 351 Boss Mustang ran high 13's in the 1/4 mile, I'd venture to say yours has been significantly tuned. Put a cam, exhaust, tires and a new driver in that vette it would be a different race. A tweaked LS7 will run high 10's all day.
Gotta admit though that 351 is a stout package... 11.66 is very respectable.
THE ZO6 IN THOSE YEARS WAS NO FASTER THAN 12.7 IN THE QUARTER, AND THAT IS A RESPECTABLE TIME. AT ENGLISHTOWN BACK THEN A GUY BOUGHT THE SAME EXACT ZO6 LIKE THIS ONE AND COULDN'T GO FASTER THAN 12.7. HE DID ALL KINDS OF STUPID SHIT LIKE POWER BRAKING IT OFF THE LINE AND IT STILL WOULD GO ANY FASTER. ANOTHER GUY HAD ONE AND HIS DID 13.01. ANOTHER GUY HAD A WORKED ONE AND DID CONSISTANT 12.12'S. THE LS IS ACTUALLY A REGUIRGITATED 427 FORD HIGH RISER ENGINE AKA RAISED PORT 351 WINDSOR. EVERYTHING CHEVY TODAY USES IN RACING IS ALL FORD IN DESIGN, FROM THE LS, OLD SB2 NASCAR, RO7 NASCAR, DRCE, ALL YOUR SYMETRICAL HEAD AFTER MARKET CHEVY RACE ENGINE ARE FORD CLEVELAND DESIGNS, ALL YOUR BIG CUBE MOUNTAIN CHEVY MOTORS ARE FORD BOSS 429 DESIGNS. NOTHING IS RACING IS CHEVY ANYMORE. CHEVY HAS BEEN CHEATING THEIR WAY TO THE RACE TRACK FOR DECADES SINCE THE AMA BAN OF 1957.
@@Frank289100 dude, stfu you don't know shyt about anything cuz you know OF someone that didn't know wtf they were doing. And you are yet another moron that thinks the LS were copied from Ford... STOCK C5 Z on a stock tire has been as fast as 11.7x easily beating this C6 Z time... This was not a legit race by a competent driver.
Closed chamber Cleveland heads were the best street heads ever made. Ford had BIG plans for that Cleveland engine platform had the EPA not stepped in in the 70's. When the Cleveland engine was being designed in the mid to late 60's, Ford had plans to destroy Chrysler and GM in the horsepower wars.
Yes Clevelands are the baddest small blocks ever! I have a '81 capri with a 30 over cleveland, 4V closed chamber heads, Milidon sever duty valves, .700 lift mech roller, Funnel Web intake with the tungs, 4150 950cfm dominnator, stock crank and rods, all ARP rod, main, and head bolts, MSD ign, 4,000 TCI stall, manual valve body C4, 4:30 gears, and all aftermarket bolt on suspension. Car has gone a best of 9.40's in the quarter with a 150shot NOS. Dollar for Dollar, I have not been beaten yet! I love the look on the Chevy boy's faces when I pop the hood on this car when they see the cast iron heads. WHAT THE!!!!
my dad also has a built Cleveland in a 89 Coupe Mustang. around a 700 lift cam forged pistons and crank but the 2v heads with Parker intake his are the Australian which I always was told pretty desirable heads. he has 430 gears and 950 Pro System carburetor with a built C4 and transbrake. car runs 1020 on motor and 9.20 with a 175 shot. the Cleveland is definitely a hidden Jewel and now that they're making stroker kits sky's the limit.
i built many 351c than i had a thought the 400m no one builds those 4' bore and 4' stroke holy shit a factory stroked cleveland bingo i got a 400 block and crank bored it 30 over took 351c trw domed pistons had R&R make me a set of custom alum rods used my 351c 4v closed chamber heads that have the high port plates on them cam research solid roller cam 351c tunnel ram with spacer plates from PME two 1050 dominators hooked to a top loader trans that was modified pro shifted ...this thing ran a best 9.10 in the quarter i still have this engine and a couple 400 blocks and cranks and thats the engines i use now 351c block are getting hard to find but there plenty 351m and 400 there actually the same block 351 has a 3.5 stroke 400 4' stroke crank thats the only difference so if you find a 351m just get a 400 crank
LAVAROCK100 that's interesting the 400 with the right build setup with heads etc seems to be a awesome budget big power combo l really like your thinking a completely square 4inch badass bore/stroke smart guy
scdevon n
The 351c is a beast what some people don't realize is the older engine with a little bit of this new technology can easily make over 600hp with out
Any type of forced induction
The thing is the Chevy people have probably never owned a true Cleveland made from late 69 to Mid 74 and have no clue of how well they run. A few years back my friend had a bone stock 351 CJ with the junk autolite 4300 carb in a 73 Gran Torino Sport big heavy boat and none of our Chevelles could touch it. I've had plenty of small and big block Chevys and quite a few Cleveland's and I will never race anything else but the Ford Cleveland. You can't judge the Ford Cleveland with the newer 351m and 400 they were dogs in stock form because of emissions they came out with pistons that looked like the Grand Canyon and cams with at least 4 degrees retarded. Most of them didn't have enough power to get out of their own way just like a 305 Chevy.
@redhead5150 '64 Ford Fairlane with a 427 side oiler will crush all of them!!!!
'67 Thunderbolt racing the '64 Fairlane would be BAD ASS!
the corvette guy is like my tires weren't sticky enough, and there was a misfire, and the timing is not right, or i was running the wrong fuel Lol, or not the right pressure in the tires lol
...351 Boss Cleveland!
same engine in my 77 highboy!
351c one of fords BEST engines!!
Wow! 330hp stock!! A true 14-15 second qtr mile car!!!
Scrimmer08, '71 - '73 Mustangs aren't as heavy as most people think. With a 351, they're about 3400 - 3550 lbs, depending on options. Add about 200 lbs for a 429. I weighed my '72 Fastback, which had the 351-C at the time, and it was around 3400.
We are based out of Louisville. Like I said Tim Klenk is the owner. It use to be called Klenk, but we are now Summit. You're also welcome to take it a step further and come see me. I'd be happy to show you all my vehicles in person. My girl is a RN. Together we make about 450k a year. I'd love to see what you make a year.
@David Anderson: no nitrous, just horsepower and knowing how to drive! We are not talking about stock or not stock,, this is about street-racing! Here's a guy who bought a 505 hp Z06, thought he was king, and picked on me after knowing that I have been street-racing my Boss for years. Not about the amount of modifications or horsepower because the vette thought that he could ruled the streets with a Z06. He talked shit so me and my Boss blew him away and shoved his 505 hp emblem up his a*s!
He is a typical Gm big mouth, as long as they think they have the advantage, they run that mouth, I love to break it off in their asses with an under rated Ford!!!
Thanks! People don't know really realize that when racing with street tires, it's all about hookup (and also reaction time)... Street tires are not the most consistant and that is why I smoke them so long! Otherwise, a litte spinning could lose the race!
As for callouts, if anything, the faux Boss wore only a subtle fender decal that announced "351 H.O. Mustang," unless it was a SPORTSROOF dressed out with the Mach 1 striping.
So our mustang is not a HEAVY BOSS.
So its a 72 Mustang Special Edition Sportsroof 351-4V H.O. V-8
So now my story is much more plausible since it has a Strong Light engine, and a much lighter car than the Boss, one pictured.
Very Rare.
Why don't they just print the results at the top of the screen when the race is over?
Mustang's street tires: Expensive to run but sticks like slicks:
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials P275 60R15
For 2011, I am trying Nitto NT 555R tires,,, same size!
Both makes are DOT street legal
Well piss on a Chevy I'm Ford guy and that's all I run
@420witchdoctor Post some more vids of your stang spanking the the new tech competition! Sweet mustang!
I need a beer after watching this
thats all i wanted to say, every car company has ups and downs, to say one is better and deserves all the respect is lame, i can appreciate any car company, becaus i like cars, in all the many forms of cars, thanks for not being a close minded ass, you are a real car person
...full tilt: alum heads, hi-rise alum intake, tricked out suspension, Barry Grant Holley, etc... it's all in the setup... car shifts at 6700 rpm, (top power range), and crosses the finish line at 6700 rpm... that's how races are won!... suspension and maximizing the power range!
Stock 351 runs closer to 14 second 1/4 mile time according to Motor Trend January 1971.
Mine ran a 14.68@103 with Doug's headers and G60 Goodrich radials!
That's "Fake News" as the Boss ran 13.60 quarter mile from the factory! www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-1112-1971-429-mach-1-1971-boss-351
Just...Removing or bypassing the "rev limiter" on the ignition would change that.
Thanks!!!
You win!
Suspension set up for 1/4 mile only...
6 cylinder Monroe front shocks used for maximum weight transfer!
...absolutely right! ...it was the Z06 who wanted to race me and thought he could beat me! ....everyone knows how fast my modified car runs as it races on the street and track most of the summer!
I’ll always choose old tech over new for the ease of modifying.
"The H.O. is so rare that we've only seen a few examples and only one or two as nice as the coupe you see on these pages."
"With its marriage of lightest body to most powerful engine, this Medium Bright Yellow coupe with few creature comforts was built for speed."
"After trailering the coupe back from its seller in KANSAS"
Looks like my story is coming together well now.
Right.....don't stop believin'...
Good race length for a corvette. Not long enough for them to overheat and go into limp mode.
The Boss 351 Cleveland with ram air was definitely the meanest small block ever produced by The Big Three back then. No Chevrolet small block could compete with this beast. I'm talking pure stuck.
Randy Coursey, 351 Cleveland is NOT a SBF engine. Ford "335" series engines are medium size blocks.
@@sergeantmasson3669
No, the 351 Cleveland is rated at 351 cubic inches which qualifies it as a small block engine. Google it if you don't believe me.
@@sergeantmasson3669it’s a small block
@markrapacki5855no they didn’t Cleveland is was best small block ever made
@@CoyoteFTW Ford "335" series engines are medium size blocks. NOT small blocks.
351c loves to rev
I forgot to mention the Rare R-Types have the H.O. engine with a 4barrel carb, not the 2 barrel (better emissions) like you are refering too. So, much more horsepower than the engine you are referring too.
Dynoes 312tq at rear.
"With its marriage of lightest body to most powerful engine, this""was built for speed."
Quote from MustangMonthly about the R code
"With its marriage of lightest body to most powerful engine, this Medium Bright Yellow coupe with few creature comforts was built for speed."
"According to a Marti Auto Works report, there were only 14 coupes ordered with the H.O. powerplant."
"because it's essentially a Boss 351 that no one knows about."
It is a COUPE not a heavy BOSS. The coupe weighs a few hundred less.
Nice Stang man!!
man if the pontiac banshee was actually put in production.hmmmmmm so much competition i love it.
boss 429 fan !!
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The LS block is a copy of the Ford modular block. With its cross bolt mains, gerator oiling pump what GM essentially did is adapt a cam into a Modular motor then thicken the webbing.. The modular blocks are known to hold from 800-1000HP. A BUNCH OF FUCKING CLOWNS AT GM. You Tube - Cobra Ferrari wars. An amazing history.
A friend had a 1971 351 Mustang and the thing really flew until he got the idea that his 427 Tunnel Port would be a good fit and he put a Hone -O -Drive in it ,too . No comparison , the 427 was unbelievable fast .No hemi or L88 could touch that old stock car motor . Don't believe the hype because I worked on all the muscle cars back in the day . The only way to own a real screamer like the ones I mentioned is that you had to be able to keep them in tune .As far as the 351 they really came to life after you raised the exhaust ports .
Yeah, like all the 3 deuce set ups of the 60's. Many thought they were wonderful. Racers actually hated them. Had to retune them, just for a wind direction change...
@@kramnull8962 THE EARLY 390 AND406 FORD HAD 3 HOLLY CARBS AND THEY NEVER HAD ANY TROUBLE .
...me too!... oversized rad with oil cooler is the way to go in the city!
Reaction time killed the Vette before the computer chips got the message.
Lol!!! He waited on the line for a full green light!!!
I like this drag strip.. less chance of the cars hitting each other B)
I AGREE. PLENTY OF ROOM FOR SOMETHING BAD TO HAPPEN,
The Clevelands were monsters, but could never pass the more stringent emissions and were abandoned by Ford in 74.
Had a nutball friend in High School, took a perfectly good 67 Shelby GT350, cram a Boss 351 engine in it ... on slicks, pulled the front wheels off the ground 18" !!! Fast forward 30years, he regrets not keeping it original. But WTF!!!
One mean BOSS- love it :)
So technically the Corvette had the advantage on Displacement size and More HP according to GM's stat's, But most GM lovers always under estimated what a Ford 351Ci is capable of for power. And honestly all the Boss Mustang owner had to do is install a bigger camshaft and springs,K and N air filter, and headers to get that type of HP like in this one.
As for googling it, look up Summit Construction, " Call Before you Dig". Trust me we are the biggest company in these parts.
However, the BOSS 351 is the #1 engine I would like to put into my '67 Falcon street/ roadrace car. The engine is wicked and ideal for my awesome/retro/modern project. If only I could afford one, (which I cannot) or find one. (which I cannot)
I'm a old school stang man. Don't care for that body style but I would take that motor n throw it in a 70 or under. I had a 68 gt fastback 390 back in the day
Love the Mustang... and all old school! A Z06 running properly will run high 11's +/- though.
Your description of the video is wrong. Your Boss isn't a street machine. It's built for the track. The Z06 drove home and to work the next day and on vacation... It is built for the street.