I remember being told in the Academy, “pistol rounds are like pills, you have to give them time to work. Rifle rounds are like shots, they start to work immediately” lol.
.40 has more power than a .45, and the capacity is almost identical to the 9mm. I would say you made an excellent choice. Most of the people that tell me I should have just went with a .45 or a 9mm don't understand that there is more to a pistol cartridge than the width of a projectile. .40 has almost twice the pressure behind it than a .45 has, significantly more velocity and energy ft. lbs, and some good jhp's will expand to .80 inches.
dec 31st 1999...i worked at a bank....dude robbed it...cop shot him in right chest with a 40 cal....dude looked like GOD pulled the bones outta his body..INSTANTLY!!!!!!
I carry .357sig not because I have a gun that shoots, but I went to go get Magnum and they sold me the wrong box so I just carry 20 rounds of it around in my pocket. Waiting till I saved up enough to buy a gun that shoots it.
I bought .380 ammo for the sole reason of saving it for when i finally get a pistol that can shoot the cartridge. .380 ammo and firearms are like gold in my area so i couldn't miss the opportunity. I only have 9 and up, and 22 of course
Everything you said was valid. Pistol rounds do kill stuff, you're right, but pistol rounds aren't nearly as effective as rifle rounds. That's what you stated and you're totally correct. I think pistols are to be used to fight your way to a rifle. Pistol caliber ballistics, 9mm or .45 in ball or hollow points, are virtually identical. I used to work in emergency medicine and if we had a through and through wound, I never could tell the caliber the person had been shot with. This can also be confirmed by trauma surgeons too. Unless we actually recovered the bullet, we could never tell. Modern 9mm hollow points are just as effective due to advances in technology. Rifle wound ballistics are a totally different animal though. For pistol calibers, choose whatever you like. Choose what you can afford to train with. Choose what you're comfortable shooting. Get training and train to shoot till the threat is down and stopped. Hit what you aim at. Carry every day.
+Joe Cool Ive been really wondering how lets say a 5.56 or .223 caliber will do more damage than a 9 or 45? You don't want too much penetration and youre almost guaranteed over penetration with rifle ammo are you not? Also arent the holes that a .45 make bigger than the .223 or 5.56? I'm trying to learn so sorry if the question seems ignorant.
+Daniel R. The secret is kinetic energy. Rifle bullets move way faster than pistol bullets when fired. A Speer Gold dot 124 grain +p round is moving 1220 fps (feet per second) at the muzzle and has 410 foot pounds of energy. 230 grain .45 ACP Gold Dot, 890 fps and 404 ft lb's at the muzzle. Keep in mind bullets lose velocity and kinetic energy the further they travel. A Gold Dot .223 64 grain bullet steps out at 3000 fps at the muzzle and has 1279 ft lb of energy. Even though the the bullet is smaller, because it moves faster, it delivers more kinetic energy to its target. The math formula is pretty simple. Kinetic energy = 1/2 times Mass of projectile (in this case but it could be anything) times velocity of object squared. K=1/2 mv2. The v is squared but my device wouldn't let me write superscript for some reason.
+Joe Cool These measurements are calculated in metric measurements so you'll have to do the conversions yourself. There are several good websites that will do the calculations and conversions for you. Even though .45 is bigger than 9mm, you see that they end up delivering almost the same amount of KE (kinetic energy) to their targets. The difference is negligible at best. .223 ballistics are a different matter altogether. Here you have an example of a small, light projectile traveling at tremendous speed with lots of kinetic energy. .223 bullets are usually designed to yaw, tumble, and fragment when they hit their targets. This increases the size of the wound cavity and dumps all of the KE into the target. It doesn't always transfer to penetration because the bullet fragments and doesn't stay in one piece. .223 rounds are more effective than pistol rounds because .223 produces larger wound cavities, delivers more KE, and does more soft tissue damage than pistol rounds.
Joe Cool hey thanks a lot for the detailed response. Makes a little more sense now, now I want to see examples of the wound cavities the rifle rounds make. Again thank you.
+Daniel R. Check out videos by a guy called BrassFetcher here on TH-cam . He has several slo-mo short films of various common calibers shot through ballistics gel. Take a look at the footage. The results may surprise you if you've never seen anything like that before.
I saw a spec sheet (FBI, I believe) that broke down the average number of pistol hits that stopped a human threat. 45 was around 2.25 and 9mm was about 2.9. So whether 45 or 9mm, the average number of hits to stop a threat would be three. So if I can shoot much more 9mm in practice for the same money as 45 and have higher capacity and lower recoil, 9mm is a no brainer for me.
Great insight I chose to run 9mm for one reason both my wife and my teenage son can both learn basic fundamentals. And I know that if they had to use one of my firearms they could at anytime.
I work in an inner city trauma hospital. I question 6 out if 7 people surviving shootings involving handguns. assuming the shooter does his job and hits his target center mass, id say its probably closer to 50/50 surviving the initial shooting. and of those that survived their quality of life after the shooting is horrible. I'm talking about being neurologically devastated with machines keeping them alive for the rest of their miserable lives. but hey they didn't die so I guess handguns suck.
Look up a video by a doctor Andreas Sandinsky, maybe I got the name wrong, but it's about pistol calibers and hollow points and the medical aspects of treating GSWs. He presents this figure where around 70 thousand people get shot in the US but there's only 11k homicides. I don't remember the context because I think suicides were excluded, I'm on mobile and I'd have to close this video.
Well why not? The .45 would obviously open to an even bigger diameter than the 9 considering they're both modern hollowpoints or am I missing something?
This could be the dumbest comparison you guys have ever heard but my reason for picking the .45 as a defense weapon is because of its slow velocity which goes back to when I shot wad cutters through pellet rifles as a kid. Whenever we used faster more high dollar rifles we noticed that the pellets would generally just cleanly cut through one side of the can and out the other. When we switched to slower rifles around 800fps or less the can would nearly get destroyed on impact causing a huge wound channel and deformation of the can as though it had been hit with a baseball bat. Like I said this may bad reasoning but was my reason for choosing .45. I would be interested in what others have to say about this one.
This guys dumb hes never seen a meat target I guess the wound cavitys are so much diffrent 45 acp expands to an inch that's insane camperes to .6 of an inch of most 9mm thats double plus toy get plenty of penetration shown by the meat targets I've seen and ballistic 10 and 20 percent ballistic gel 45 acp plus p hallow point expanding to an inch is extremely impressive
That bieng said for concealed carry I do like 9mm as main and 25 acp or 380 with specific ammo as a back up. 45 acp you do get less rounds and it's harder to conceal carry
I LOVE seeing you here!!! He's a smart young man as are you! i'M 48 AND MAYBE i WAS THINKING WHY NOT HAVE A 357 AS A primary and a wonder 9 as back up? A 5 - 7 capacity 357 wheel backed up w/ a 19. a lc9s, a 45 shield, 9mm shield ETC ETC!!! Why not a 357 or 45 THEN a nine as a backer!!!
9mm= more capacity equals more targets that can be engaged and stopped and or effectively taken out of combat... next the cartridge ways less than a 45, so you can carry more ammunition... and 9mm is cheaper to shoot= more practice which in turn makes you more combat effective... overall the 9mm is more practical, both are great cartridges though!
good video. I wish you would have touched on what .45 does when you run hollow points and the expansion diameters you're capable of getting. I agree about the ball ammo stuff, but no one I know runs ball for defense. in 12 years of law enforcement, I ran only .45 hydra shok 230 grain. when all you have is a pistol, you want to cause as much kinetic trauma and bleeding in as little time as possible. pistols may not be the optimal killing tool, but when that's all you have, you need to stop the threat as quickly as possible. bleeding and shock are the reason that bigger wounds are more effective.
In my experience, higher velocity can easily make up for a smaller diameter bullet. Some times it more than makes up for it, with a smaller but faster bullet making the larger wound channel. When the energy of most popular police or defense type rounds is only about 400 ft. lbs. (plus or minus a few pounds) for 9mm, 10mm/.40 cal, or .45 cal there isn't much difference in the wounds. Bullet design and where the bullet hit makes more difference. If you want to cause significantly more damage, up the velocity and energy significantly. The original Norma 10mm load was on another level, but it was too much for many people. So the ammo most people will use is all about the same, and people fight over who has the baddest cookie cutter ammo.
Ive seen .45 hollow points open up to almost an inch, a 9mm dreams of one day getting off the bleachers to get more than half an inch of diameter with JHP
I experienced being ambushed by 3 men, me riding a motorbike 10 o'clock in d evening in a poor ligthed area, i was then carrying a Beretta 92fs 9mm, i ws hit in d chest, i fell on d ground, i pulled my beretta 20rounds capacity on a mecgar mags and returned fire, in just like 5 to 10 seconds i felt like i ws drowning in d middle of d ocean bcoz both of my lungs ws hit.. I cannot move my whole body, i just keep pumping those 20 rounds and drove d attackers away, luckily i survived, i under went emergency major medical operation they revived my lungs, removed my spleen, 1 month confined in a hospital..... Because my attackers used. 45 caliber... I almost died..... Luckily i was carrying a high capacity gun in 9mm and drove them away...
That was my thinking. If I'm getting a smaller gun for ccw 45s just don't have the capacity,, but in a full size gun you can still have plenty of rounds in .45
I like both, Bed side is a 45, Carry is a 9. For the same exact reasons you mentioned and explained. You have your head on straight when it comes to your point of views referring to all this shit. Im impressed actually with your knowledge and understanding, And more so cause your a young man. Oh and just to add, My 1911, Im not concealing it or "Going to war with it". Its clean, with a light installed and sits next to my bed to protect my family at night. My Pm9 or 26 gets to leave the house daily.
Because if you're going to train, train to hit center mass with a .357 magnum. People always preach "training", so if you're gonna train, then you should be able to tame the 357. Why would you do anything else??? One shot center mass, game over.
Use the gun you train with the most. The bad guy doesn't give a shit about what caliber they're being shot with. Chris made the point & I will make it also - IT'S YOUR PREFERENCE!!! Practice Often and Carry Always
Exactly...it doesn't matter what caliber you shoot if you cannot hit your target. You are better off shooting a lighter caliber if that is more controllable for you.
Currently I’ve been rotating between a 9mm and 45 acp for my edc but when I’m feeling cute I carry my GP100 3 inch 357magnum with Remington 125grain semi jacketed hollow points......which is the best in my opinion
Great vid. The answer I always give to new shooters is the Glock 19. "Which caliber?" Glock 19. "Which JHP should I buy for my 1911?" Glock 19. "How do you make potato salad?" Glock 19. 9mm is great for most applications. Debate over.
@@DragonSlayer-tg5mk bullshit what Ammo u talking about.cause I have Winchester Ranger and Federal HST 230gr and they expand way bigger than yo peony 9
@@TheRealZJE313 I said ALMOST all .45s. You picked the one that does expand bigger, to a whopping 1.00!!! However, most .45s don't come close to that. But, your round doesn't penetrate as deeply as the Ranger 9mm which expands to a .75. One thing you should look at before designating it peony, whatever that means, is the Ellifritz study that looked at real world shooting for 10 years. When it came to Incapacitation Success regardless of rounds fired, because everyone is trained to keep shooting until the threat stops, the 9mm, .40, .357, and 44 all had a success rate of 87% while the .45 only had a success rate of 86%. Not much of a difference but the .45 was a little behind the others. I think it is probably because people have too much faith in the big .45 and don't pay enough attention to ammo brand selection, or people just don;'t shoot it as well. But you have definitely picked a VERY good round. Bottom line, all the major calibers perform pretty much the same and ammo brand selection is more important than caliber.
@@DragonSlayer-tg5mk that study is not better than the one that they did in the early 1900 9vs45 on the cow carcasses they got from the slaughterhouse and that was just regular ball ammo
I personally like a Sig-Sauer P229 in 40 S&W. Reasons: 1) Fits my hand very well and not that big an issue to carry. 2) 12 capacity + 2 back up mags gives me 36 rounds. If I can't either end the confrontation in three dozen rounds or at least break contact and move to safety, I'm not gonna' make it out anyway. 3) I, personally, don't care about the cost of factory ammo for practice, I *GASP* reload for my semi-autos quite successfully at a fraction of the cost in dollars. It DOES take more time and a bit more equipment to make reliable rounds for the semi-autos. 4) With the compromise of 180 - 210 gr. bullet at near 9mm velocities, I can put quite a chunk of lead through the ten ring consistently at ranges from 7 feet to 25 yards with not much problem. I know, in a defense situation time of delivery is more important than perfect accuracy. But, it is nice to KNOW you can follow with a very well placed stop shot to the brain pan if the first couple hit and the aggressor stays up (Yeah, it can happen with all calibers!). 5) Those are what I tell myself the reasons are, but then any gun is better than a hand full of air at a critical juncture and I REALLY like the thing. As an aside, I've NEVER HAD A JAM WITH FACTORY DEFENSE ROUNDS OR HAND LOADED AMMO! There is the story and I'm sticking with it ;-)
I carry a .45 Colt derringer. I like the versatility of it. I carry bullets from 144 to 300 grain, and they can be flat-nose, hollow-point, wadcutter, or lead balls. One of my favorites is a 288 grain double-ball load. Puts two big holes right next to each other. I also like to take a standard 255 grain black powder load, and sand down the nose of the flat-nose bullet, till it's about 240 grains. It makes for a larger permanent cavity, and reduces the chance of over-penetration.
I've been carrying a .40 for a few years. When I bought my pistol two people in the shop were having the same exact argument so i said fuck it and went right in the middle. I haven't looked back yet. Also ARG keep up the good content, I've made a few purchases and walked away from even more bad ones based on your reviews. Keep up the good work
a physician has to declare a person dead, but if ems patches in to a physician and gives em the run down then the physician can call the patient dead on scene. that happens if they're seriously damaged ie brain matter exposed with zero vitals and a ton of other shit. most of the time all gsw patients will be transported even if they're missing a head because their organs can be harvested.
It takes 20 mins of flatline heartmonitor to declare someone dead. Until than they have to give them ALS which is only properly possible in a hospital.The only case where they dont is if the guy has no head.
more like 45 being Chuck Norris ie all reputation and memes but in reality is quite average and 9mm is that unassuming guy in a corner that in fact is a SEAL that will tear your head off if you mess with him ... so they both will kick your ass its just not the case where Norris is roundhousekicking you so hard your grandma gets knocked out with you ...
which is fine, its your preference, just dont go around trying to convince people that 45 is superior self defense caliber to 9mm Luger, because in reality, theyr advantages and drawbacks put both of them at about the same level. the real power in handgun rounds lies in 357SiG, 10mm auto and 357/41/44 Magnum, maybe +p loaded .40 but as far as 9mm/45 goes they both suck when compared to theyr significantly more powerful brethren
the 9mm is fine if you have a particularly delicate wrist and poor eye hand coordination. Otherwise it is suckage and adding more capacity only increases the suckage.
Heavy slow moving projectiles are actually harder to slow down, due to sustained momentum (mass times velocity). Light fast moving slow down faster. Physics
.44 magnum all the way, because even if you miss, the attacker will be deaf from the muzzle blast and blind from the muzzle flash after one shot and won't want to fight anymore. That way, six rounds is more than enough. I might be deaf and blind too, but hey, at least I won the fight.
Please nobody take his advice and use standard .45 target ammo for self defense.! There is a huge reason why manufacturers have .45 ammo in both target ammo and self defense. Standard target ammo won't expand after impact and keep traveling exiting your threat and potentially strike an innocent bystander. Only use hollow points for self defense.
Hunter 13 So you're saying it's safe to take a shot at a target (threat) with innocent bystanders in the background if you're loaded with hollow points? I hope you're a damn good shot and don't miss.
Gordon Cox thats not what hes saying dumbass! Your never suppose to shot someone with someone behind them in general but you sure the fuck never do that with target ammo. I learned that shit from jump that was horrible horrible advise
if it doesn't shoot 45. its not worth a damn and wont even kill a cockroach (or was i suppose to say 9MM) but i cant wait for a sub compact version with rails for flashlights lasers mp3 player waffle iron gps salt and pepper dispenser and it also needs to be in pink
Another good reason to choose 9, related to the concealability advantage discussed in the video, is that smaller hands can use it better than a larger framed pistol chambered in .45.
I know and the way the Marines help to determine what round they woild use came down to energy at impact which the .45 dose have more enery then the .9mm also the combat records spaning over 100 years of use , its also why they are considering a change in rifles from .556NATO back to7.62 NATO
I was an armourer in the Marines attached to a JSOC before blowing out my knee so I'm a big .45 fan use the 9mm for practice and a carry gun in places where my .45 is to obvious
+AregularGuy 'Massad Ayoob' said the 45 would do better going thru heavy New England winter clothing HP's tend to plug and not expand. Hence I can easy make the jump to 9mm HP's for Florida sun armor.
I've said for years that the best home defense gun is a suppressed .45 w/light attached. You can maneuver. You can light up the target, and most friggin importantly, if you have to pull the trigger in the enclosed spaces of a home, you'll still have your hearing afterwards. Good vid.
My father was a combat vet having been in the Korean Conflict. He always said "A pistol was what you use to fight your way back to a real gun.". I happen to agree.
Everyone always says that 9 mm with modern ammunition is just as good as .45. Why doesn't anyone ever mention modern hollow point ammunition for the .45??? If 9mm hollows are good wouldn't a .45 hollow be better? Somebody please explain this to me.
+Boomer22z .45 ACP doesn't move fast enough for the round to expand. .45 JHPs have not proven to create significantly bigger wound channels than .45 FMJs. Supersonic rounds, on the other hand...
***** it does out of a 5in barrel. It was designed for a 5in barrel. Go watch tnoutdoors9 ammo tests. And it does create bigger wound channels, in ballistics gel anyway. Guns with shorter barrels tend to make the 45 penatrate deeper from the smaller expansion but smaller wound channel
+Joe Blow Are most 9mm guys basing their conclusions on wound channel ballistics? I was wondering if actual shootings are used anymore. I thought I read that actual shootings were considered unreliable as a source. I forgot the name of the studies, Marshall maybe? I actually carry a 9mm more but it's not because I think it's more effective but just because it's small and light. Just from personal experience full power 40 and 357 are the ones I'd least like to be hit by but that's personal experience. I'm ready to learn whatever the reality may be. I just keep hearing 9mm is just as good which actually makes me want to question if it's true.
Magazine capacity is why. One 9mm can incapacitate one man (what I believe) and .45 ACP is more powerful than God (what the .45 or die crowd believes) They're actually nearly identical in wound channel capability.. but 9mm has more capacity. .45 ACP loses.
I've conducted ballistic tests and have seen nearly every variation of every caliber. The only ones that really stand out are 10mm Auto and .357 Sig.. two cartridges that I prefer not to carry.
Aside from Doubletap Bonded Defense JHPs (which are quite good) I haven't seen anything particularly outstanding. Most .45 ACPs don't have the velocity to expand properly. It just comes down to the fact that all handgun ammo is weak. 9mm JHPs have adequate incapacitation potential and excellent magazine capacity. The only .45 I would ever consider carrying is the Glock 21 and it's a freaking monstrosity.
I live in the San Tan Valley, Arizona. eight months out of the year my only option for carry is board shorts and a tank top. Come on down and try to carry your blue whale of a pistol out here.
Man, you really are preaching the good news of the .45 ACP, aren't you? It's not for me, bro. It costs much more, I can store less of it, the guns are larger and heavier, it gives me no documented advantage over 9x19. Thanks, but no thanks.
Good overall info. I was always happy carrying my 1911 with 9 rounds of 45 in it and a couple of those long WC 10 rounders for spares. With or without the spare mags I wasn't too concerned with the "low" round count for basic carry needs. In recent years, with the preponderance of rioting going on, I have returned to the wondernine. Specifically an FN FNX-9. Love my 45 ACPs, but there is something comforting in these times about having a pistol loaded with 18 124 grain HST +Ps on board and two quick 17 round reloads for if and when shit really goes bad.
I wonder the 9 vs 40 being more of a thing than 9 vs 45 I see 9 vs 40 the capacity is similar but usually a little more in 9 gun size is similar if not the same but you get more power from the 40 so I guess is the small loss of capacity worth the increase in power and extra were on the gun
Ok man, I gotta do some statistics for you. In 2014, of the murders committed with weapons, 47% were handguns while 2% were rifles. Handguns don't suck at killing people, people suck at killed people. I'm not advocating killing anyone, not a big fan of it, find it pointless and a waste, but statistics aren't necessarily with you. I've seen people survive chest wounds from a 5.56 and other chest wound victims die from a .380ACP. It's relative to several factors, not just the type of weapon or caliber used. Anecdotal evidence aside, statistics speak volumes. Even of those that weren't killed, they're suffering a ton from being shot, seen that too from a 7.62 entering in the hand and exiting the elbow. It's all relative to shot placement.
+AverageJoe statistics of volume are not statistics of likely hood. Pay more attention to the video, I stated basically that if you are shot by a handgun, you will likely live, (why they suck at killing people) if you are shot by a rifle you will likely die (why they don't).
AregularGuy If you re-read my comment I also attribute the likelihood and volume to shot placement. If you get shot in the arm with a handgun or rifle chances are you'll live given the ability to make it to medical help. Conversely if you're shot center mass with a handgun or rifle puncturing lung and/or heart your chances of surviving are equally shitty and only variable to the amount of time it takes to get to a hospital. It's all about shot placement. Your statistics of likelihood aren't true statistics, it's anecdotal at best. Furthermore, making such claims on likelihood of survival of one or the other goes into anti-gunner propaganda furthering their ignorance. I'd hate to see some asshole take your statement and use it to further their cause of banning firearms.
Your chances are about the same if shot in the chest with a pistol than with a rifle?...... is destructive power alone, you are entirely false. my stats came from hospital ERs dude, and there have already been people in the comments that have posted links backing my statement. and I said quite directly that a handgun will do the job, just terribly. also, if you are afraid to be honest, then those who wish control over you have won. I'm done with catering to those who cant handle blunt truth. People have been cultured to have their feeling cuddled, and its breeds cowardice, namby pamyby, suger coated behavior. It does nothing but pussify everyone in all directions. So fuck that, I don't apologize for stating facts, when compared to a rifle, pistols suck ass at killing people, so stop dick measuring about what pistol caliber you use. and if someone would like to take this statement from the video out of context then its on them to be ignorant.
AregularGuy My stats come from UCR's compiled into data and posted on FBI's website. My stats also come from 13 years in law enforcement, a plethora of discussions on various calibers, grain content, casings, rifling, sights, triggers, and range time. The fact is shot placement outweighs all other factors in a gun fight. Your ER "stats" are what's called anecdotal information. My advice to you would be to first look up what anecdotal information means, then get better sources, after that read up on velocity and what the difference between a low velocity round and a high velocity round is. Furthermore, ballistics testing that is as recent as 2014 from FBI has confirmed the damage potential of several commonly used handgun calibers, which also shows the energy transfer within the target and force expansion. It would be in your interest to research this information prior to trying to slam someone using weak arguments that have no actual evidence and lack conviction.
+AverageJoe he is right in the sense that the rifle is so much more destructive due to the massive amounts of tissue cavitation when high speed object like a rifle bullet enters the body compare to a slower handgun bullet. I just don't think he really worded that statement well enough. as far a why so many deaths are from handguns verses rifles, a handgun is so much easier to carry around and present than a rifle. I don't exactly no the scenarios behind every homicide in the US but I would have to imagine that the attacker was trying to get close to his/ her target without showing they had a weapon. volume of use is the driving point here. one on one, both bullets hitting someone in the heart will more than likely kill said person dead just the same. but in a case where the bullet misses the vitals but still enters the chest the rifle round is exponentially more likely to cause death than the handgun is due to the cavitation it creates. if you have ever been hunting you know what I'm talking about. I shot a deer through the lungs with my 30-06 last year, which in and of itself obviously causes death. after skinning it, I saw the the exit wound was so big that I could stick my fist into and not touch any of the meat. with that kind of explosive pass through I would have to say that even if I had missed hitting the vitals directly the Shockwave of cavitation that the high speed bullet cause as it passed through the deer (at around 2800 feet per second) would have caused a fatality anyway. A handgun round on the other hand, would not because it is not moving fast enough to create that much cavitation. it definitely creates some, but most of its damage comes from the direct tearing of flesh caused from the hole it makes through its diameter while cutting through the body.
so im about to buy my first handgun and i did research and decided on a glock 19 gen 3 but i came across something that got me curious, one of the things i liked a lot about glocks is they work, however ive seen a couple videos and see that they shut down a little quick when dirtied with sand or dirt, now i know that every machine has its limits and they should be maintained but just how reliable are they in dirty environments? thanks for all the vids btw
I carry a .40 because it's what's available to me. In AZ, an 18 year old can carry a pistol if it's gifted by a parent. My dad was able to give me a 40, and even though I prefer 9mm, I make the best of what I have, and I don't feel like I'm missing out because I don't carry a 9 or 45.
At least you aren't a bi-sexual .40 cal shooter (see Colion Noir and FX Hummel). :) I mostly carry 9mm... Beretta 92fs compact inox or Glock 43. If I need a slimmer profile, I will carry my Ruger SR1911 with the Glock 43 as a backup.
Matthew Richcreek I actually used to carry a 1911R1 then I switched to a j frame .357 but now I carry a cz P09 with a threaded barrel CGW pro package a custom mag well extended magazine release with fiber optic sights in a shoulder holster 21 round mag in the gun and a 21 round and 19 round back up mags in the mag holders on my holster and I am never carrying another gun
I've noticed that the 45 is more of a push and the 9 is more of an up snap. I own a 30s(.45acp) but my girlfriend has a Glock 26(9mm). I'm considering selling the 30s just for the conceal reasons. I'm so torn though. AREGULARGUY... Do you suggest mastering one pistol caliber instead of multiple if you're a conceal carrier?
1911 subcompact is easier to CC (thinner), and easier to shoot. If you haven't tried one, go rent one at the range. If your goal is to "master" a gun, be aware that whatever "disadvantages" the 1911 has completely disappear with just a bit of dedicated training (I mean operating the safety, doing a reload, etc.). It is my impression that the 45 has nicer recoil, and is quieter. These factors, plus the easy shootability of the 1911, make it my preferred round. But I shoot 9mm too, because its cheap, good practice, and fun at the range. My wife shoots the 9, but prefers her Ruger Security Six revolver. She'll shoot your ass dead with it at 25 yards.
I train with .45, 9mm, and .40. Personally I think it's a good idea to be proficient with all common rounds. I also shoot 10mm and .357sig but those are more of novelty rounds to me. 10mm is a good mountain gun though. I also think it's a good idea to be proficient with common rifle rounds too, like 7.62x39, 5.56x45, and .308. With martial arts you don't just master one technique or one weapon. And that's exactly what gun fighting is, a martial art.
9mm Luger vs. .45 ACP; this is an argument and a comparison that will never be settled. In either case, when it comes down to self-defense, shot placement is and always will be the determining factor.
+Jeffrey Bromfield I was referring to a semi but I believe you can get a full auto trigger group for $200+.....it just can't go into the gun(or so I'm told)..... :-(
One thing you left out... momentum. Anyone that shoots steel will be aware of it. The group I train with will set the dueling tree up for 9mm. When it’s shot with 45, the plates swing around and come all the way back. I can’t run against someone on the dueling tree bc I automatically beat myself. Especially when you handle the plates and get an idea of their mass, then see when sometimes 9mm doesn’t even flip them all the way around, you get an idea about momentum even though the kinetic energy isn’t that far off between the two rounds. There’s a large difference in effective power which translates to psychological stops. However a double stack 9mm has a psych stop advantage bc often people would rather not keep getting shot, so you can defend against more people with your available ammo. That being said, as an instructor, I commonly recommend 9mm to most people bc of its lower cost and reduced recoil. Everyone needs to shoot their pistol more. I have a Dillon 550 so cost means little to me. The difference between a box of either is about $1. I do carry various single stack 45’s daily and shoot often and well. The capacity thing lingers in the back of my mind but honestly if I’m faced with an attacking force that large I’ll be looking for a way out regardless of what caliber or capacity I’m carrying. You’ll win all the fights you avoid.
momentum means squat when firing at humans because you arent aiming to push them off balance but to punch enough holes in them to stop them from killing you ... penetration and wounding capability are the only factors relevant to self defense, everything else is just gravy on top for personal preference
I carry a 45 acp because it’s just comfortable to me and I’m more accurate with it. It’s my thought it doesn’t matter what you carry. If your not comfortable and accurate with it. You might as well spend the money on good running shoes.
I carry a 1911 pistol in .45 acp. My wife carries a Taurus 605 with .357 magnum loads. She keeps saying, "If you're not getting adequate penetration, you're just wasting your time."
Another fantastic no-BS video. Thanks! I was surprised to see you throw down against adrenaline like that though.😀. It's an important point however because in a self-defense scenario regardless of caliber people need to understand that they should keep shooting until the threat has been stopped. As you pointed out, one shot stops with handguns are mostly reserved for Hollywood.
Hey I have a serious dilemma. My friend has been talking about getting a pistol for concealed carry/ home defense. I told him that a 9mm would be plenty of gun. He is persistent on getting a .22lr handgun for concealed carry. He says "that it doesn't matter what the caliber, a bullet is bullet either way." I have nothing against .22s but for a self defense weapon that you need to put someone on the ground, I feel like he's making a huge mistake. What are your thoughts on .22lr for concealed carry/ home defense? And what could I tell him that wont hurt his pride?
+420sthedaytopray I can tell you from a street perspective....I run shootings often enough to see many .22 and .25 auto imbedded in the fat, hardly any blood spilled. It comes down to what may be a better choice. If he wants a tiny concealed...go for a mouse gun .380 ACP. Home defense, either a G19 or a G21. Also, look at the availability of .22 ammo right now? Maybe show him some ballistic gel tests for the .22lr. From my experience, PCP and xtasy are making a big come back on the streets. People are literally out of their minds on those drugs and do not even realize they are being shot. >22lr is an absolute ridiculous option when you have so many better to choose from.
At first I had doubts about your depth of experience because of your youthful appearance. but your description of supersonic rounds blowing by laid that concern to rest. Thanks for an educational and enjoyable video.
Scott Myatt you aren't that smart. He has little experience because of his youthful Look? He is a combat veteran. I enlisted at 17 and was in SOF by the time I was 20, still look young. And I've been killing bad dudes for 10 years. What little you would know from looking at someone's face
The more videos I watch about bullets and ballistics, the more confident I am that there is only one important thing to know: All bullets can and have failed. Rely not on the bullet, not on the gun, but on your skills and mindset. Hardware is cool, hardware is fun, but software is what is important.
Just curious, I get my .45 ammo for 40 cents a shot, where do you buy rifle ammo for cheaper than that? And can i have the website or store location? Thanks in advance.
Thank you for your video and the reason I found is that I go by 'THE Regular Guy'. Just found this and I add to the fact "all handgun calibers are WEAK" core message on my channel in '9mm vs. .40 vs. .45' video. Good job and kudos for spreading a message that will save some lives.
I personally think that the majority of instances where people survive handgun rounds so often is because handguns are very difficult to use under stress when compared to a long gun which will cause the rounds to hit in less vital areas. I've seen some impressive handgun rounds and in my opinion are good enough to get the job done.
You pretty much nailed it. My work carry, where carry is against policy, is a Shield9 in the pocket. My main carry when I'm not working is a Glock 21. I went with .45acp because eventually, I want to buy a suppressor, and eventually a 5" 1911 for range use and target shooting, and if I'm already going to have a gun in .45acp, what's another?
I carry a Glock 21sf. As stated in the vid about modern ammo, that applies to 45acp also, modern 45 auto can expand to .7 to 1" which smaller calibers can't do. 13 round mags for a g21, its enough for a secondary weapon, imo. I would hope it could get me out of a jam if the need arises, or buy me time to get to a primary weapon if a situation became dire.
***** He shouldn't have camera people standing next to targets while shots are being fired. He shouldn't have students face up-range with a loaded weapon in their hands.
Good points! I have used a Ruger P85MkII since '87 as my go to duty sidearm/open carry, love the capacity... and for CCW, I carry an XDS .45, 4.0", love it for its size, and went for the .45 as the ammo capacity isnt an issue for me due to the hitting quality of .45, as I dont see any everyday statistical scenarios with a joe blow where three high capacity mags of 9mm has been be spent. My preferences of course!
Thanks for the concern, but I humbly disagree. In my experience on the range, at 25 yards , whereas the 9mm will not knock down the heavier steel targets, the .45 does it easily most everytime. I'm a fan of both calipers, but IMO l realistically see situations on the street, where the average defender is not necessarily going to need a 17 round mag emptied out, maybe 2 to 3 shots at the most. I would like to see studies that show ammo use in defense, but I havent. So for me, either capacity of 9mm/.45 ammo will suffice, agian I'm using .45 on my person, for reasons stated. I do see gang bangers going through several mags of 9mm because they hold firearms sideways and can't hit ****, trigger pulling rapidly. Addendum: I just found a link to a thread, citing to graphics showing rounds fired on average in defense, and calipers used...you will see even though 9mm wins out in use, with .45 coming in second, the rounds fired averages about where I was thinking. See link. thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464062
Seriously - best 9 vs. 45 video I've seen yet lol I decided on the .45 when I bought my first handgun. My thinking was: If handgun calibers suck, then I want every advantage I can get with each bullet. Capacity was obviously a concern so I did my research and found that the XD-45 fit the bill. It's been accurate, 100% reliable, and after 5 years, I'm happy to say that I'm not disappointed with my purchase. That being said, I do plan on switching to the glock 19 in the future, but for the time being, I'm confident that I could get the job done with what I'm working with now. I liked how you pointed out that .45 HP and FMJ are both effective fight stoppers. Y'know, I'm pretty sure that 9mm FMJ bullets can work in a pinch too, as long as the shooter is accurate..
I own both the 9 and 45 Springfield XDS's, and now I have more reasons to keep them both. I like them more than my S&W Shield which may become an EoTech one of these days.
I remember being told in the Academy, “pistol rounds are like pills, you have to give them time to work. Rifle rounds are like shots, they start to work immediately” lol.
I carry a .40 because I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body, or so I've been told.
That is the best analog for a 40 cal I've ever heard
I feel the same way. Small world. I carried 357 Sig until I ran out of ammo.
.40 has more power than a .45, and the capacity is almost identical to the 9mm.
I would say you made an excellent choice.
Most of the people that tell me I should have just went with a .45 or a 9mm don't understand that there is more to a pistol cartridge than the width of a projectile.
.40 has almost twice the pressure behind it than a .45 has, significantly more velocity and energy ft. lbs, and some good jhp's will expand to .80 inches.
dec 31st 1999...i worked at a bank....dude robbed it...cop shot him in right chest with a 40 cal....dude looked like GOD pulled the bones outta his body..INSTANTLY!!!!!!
Ha Ha...Be anything you want to be and carry accordingly
You really shouldn't let somebody try to get the last of the peanut butter out of the jar while you are making your videos.
@Knight-Sgt. Reyes the noise in the background my guy lol
BUT .45 KILLS THE SOUL!
UARAF16 I have 45 ammo that has a hollow space to capture the soul and torment it in eternity.
I carry .357sig not because I have a gun that shoots, but I went to go get Magnum and they sold me the wrong box so I just carry 20 rounds of it around in my pocket. Waiting till I saved up enough to buy a gun that shoots it.
lmfao. man I can't laugh like this in the middle of the night. everyone else is sleep
Beats crying in the middle of the night.
You could almost trade that ammo for a 9mm.
I bought .380 ammo for the sole reason of saving it for when i finally get a pistol that can shoot the cartridge. .380 ammo and firearms are like gold in my area so i couldn't miss the opportunity. I only have 9 and up, and 22 of course
This is one of THE most thorough and practical discussions on this issue that I have ever heard. Thanks!
ya i know ima little late to the game on this guy and this may be unimportant now but he balance thorough and concise so well.
Everything you said was valid. Pistol rounds do kill stuff, you're right, but pistol rounds aren't nearly as effective as rifle rounds. That's what you stated and you're totally correct. I think pistols are to be used to fight your way to a rifle. Pistol caliber ballistics, 9mm or .45 in ball or hollow points, are virtually identical. I used to work in emergency medicine and if we had a through and through wound, I never could tell the caliber the person had been shot with. This can also be confirmed by trauma surgeons too. Unless we actually recovered the bullet, we could never tell. Modern 9mm hollow points are just as effective due to advances in technology. Rifle wound ballistics are a totally different animal though. For pistol calibers, choose whatever you like. Choose what you can afford to train with. Choose what you're comfortable shooting. Get training and train to shoot till the threat is down and stopped. Hit what you aim at. Carry every day.
+Joe Cool Ive been really wondering how lets say a 5.56 or .223 caliber will do more damage than a 9 or 45? You don't want too much penetration and youre almost guaranteed over penetration with rifle ammo are you not? Also arent the holes that a .45 make bigger than the .223 or 5.56? I'm trying to learn so sorry if the question seems ignorant.
+Daniel R.
The secret is kinetic energy. Rifle bullets move way faster than pistol bullets when fired. A Speer Gold dot 124 grain +p round is moving 1220 fps (feet per second) at the muzzle and has 410 foot pounds of energy. 230 grain .45 ACP Gold Dot, 890 fps and 404 ft lb's at the muzzle. Keep in mind bullets lose velocity and kinetic energy the further they travel. A Gold Dot .223 64 grain bullet steps out at 3000 fps at the muzzle and has 1279 ft lb of energy. Even though the the bullet is smaller, because it moves faster, it delivers more kinetic energy to its target. The math formula is pretty simple. Kinetic energy = 1/2 times Mass of projectile (in this case but it could be anything) times velocity of object squared. K=1/2 mv2. The v is squared but my device wouldn't let me write superscript for some reason.
+Joe Cool
These measurements are calculated in metric measurements so you'll have to do the conversions yourself. There are several good websites that will do the calculations and conversions for you. Even though .45 is bigger than 9mm, you see that they end up delivering almost the same amount of KE (kinetic energy) to their targets. The difference is negligible at best. .223 ballistics are a different matter altogether. Here you have an example of a small, light projectile traveling at tremendous speed with lots of kinetic energy. .223 bullets are usually designed to yaw, tumble, and fragment when they hit their targets. This increases the size of the wound cavity and dumps all of the KE into the target. It doesn't always transfer to penetration because the bullet fragments and doesn't stay in one piece. .223 rounds are more effective than pistol rounds because .223 produces larger wound cavities, delivers more KE, and does more soft tissue damage than pistol rounds.
Joe Cool hey thanks a lot for the detailed response. Makes a little more sense now, now I want to see examples of the wound cavities the rifle rounds make. Again thank you.
+Daniel R.
Check out videos by a guy called BrassFetcher here on TH-cam . He has several slo-mo short films of various common calibers shot through ballistics gel. Take a look at the footage. The results may surprise you if you've never seen anything like that before.
45acp/9mm switch every other day. And 10mm when out in the woods
This is why i keep a Stihl MS 661C under the bed. Nothing says stopping power like chainsaw to the face.
Senor DingDong, the sound of a chainsaw firing up is an amazing deterrent
That's what my cousin Leather face said 😂🤡😈💥😇
I saw a spec sheet (FBI, I believe) that broke down the average number of pistol hits that stopped a human threat. 45 was around 2.25 and 9mm was about 2.9. So whether 45 or 9mm, the average number of hits to stop a threat would be three. So if I can shoot much more 9mm in practice for the same money as 45 and have higher capacity and lower recoil, 9mm is a no brainer for me.
Great insight I chose to run 9mm for one reason both my wife and my teenage son can both learn basic fundamentals. And I know that if they had to use one of my firearms they could at anytime.
I work in an inner city trauma hospital. I question 6 out if 7 people surviving shootings involving handguns. assuming the shooter does his job and hits his target center mass, id say its probably closer to 50/50 surviving the initial shooting. and of those that survived their quality of life after the shooting is horrible. I'm talking about being neurologically devastated with machines keeping them alive for the rest of their miserable lives. but hey they didn't die so I guess handguns suck.
smelly cat i agree handguns are harder to shoot under stress than a rifle , rifle with a scope or a shotgun but if you hit the mark they will kill
Riff Raff it's not about wether or not they died, it's about them dying before they can kill you
Look up a video by a doctor Andreas Sandinsky, maybe I got the name wrong, but it's about pistol calibers and hollow points and the medical aspects of treating GSWs. He presents this figure where around 70 thousand people get shot in the US but there's only 11k homicides. I don't remember the context because I think suicides were excluded, I'm on mobile and I'd have to close this video.
Wouldnt a 45 with modern ammunition outperform a 9 with modern ammunition? I carry a glock 26 myself but just wondering.
not really
Well why not? The .45 would obviously open to an even bigger diameter than the 9 considering they're both modern hollowpoints or am I missing something?
Unequivocally!
when you take the actual measurements and look at the numbers, it's not that big of a difference..... seriously
To some people 5 rounds don't make a difference. Especially with another 13 round mag of .45 ready to reload.
This could be the dumbest comparison you guys have ever heard but my reason for picking the .45 as a defense weapon is because of its slow velocity which goes back to when I shot wad cutters through pellet rifles as a kid. Whenever we used faster more high dollar rifles we noticed that the pellets would generally just cleanly cut through one side of the can and out the other. When we switched to slower rifles around 800fps or less the can would nearly get destroyed on impact causing a huge wound channel and deformation of the can as though it had been hit with a baseball bat. Like I said this may bad reasoning but was my reason for choosing .45. I would be interested in what others have to say about this one.
This guys dumb hes never seen a meat target I guess the wound cavitys are so much diffrent 45 acp expands to an inch that's insane camperes to .6 of an inch of most 9mm thats double plus toy get plenty of penetration shown by the meat targets I've seen and ballistic 10 and 20 percent ballistic gel 45 acp plus p hallow point expanding to an inch is extremely impressive
That bieng said for concealed carry I do like 9mm as main and 25 acp or 380 with specific ammo as a back up. 45 acp you do get less rounds and it's harder to conceal carry
C'mon---who searches? So much easier to just ask :D
It's not like there is a search function on TH-cam anyway, so might as well send this guy an email lol.
+AregularGuy you mean a letter in the actual mail?
I LOVE seeing you here!!! He's a smart young man as are you! i'M 48 AND MAYBE i WAS THINKING WHY NOT HAVE A 357 AS A primary and a wonder 9 as back up?
A 5 - 7 capacity 357 wheel backed up w/ a 19. a lc9s, a 45 shield, 9mm shield ETC ETC!!! Why not a 357 or 45 THEN a nine as a backer!!!
9mm= more capacity equals more targets that can be engaged and stopped and or effectively taken out of combat... next the cartridge ways less than a 45, so you can carry more ammunition... and 9mm is cheaper to shoot= more practice which in turn makes you more combat effective... overall the 9mm is more practical, both are great cartridges though!
good video. I wish you would have touched on what .45 does when you run hollow points and the expansion diameters you're capable of getting. I agree about the ball ammo stuff, but no one I know runs ball for defense. in 12 years of law enforcement, I ran only .45 hydra shok 230 grain. when all you have is a pistol, you want to cause as much kinetic trauma and bleeding in as little time as possible. pistols may not be the optimal killing tool, but when that's all you have, you need to stop the threat as quickly as possible. bleeding and shock are the reason that bigger wounds are more effective.
In my experience, higher velocity can easily make up for a smaller diameter bullet. Some times it more than makes up for it, with a smaller but faster bullet making the larger wound channel. When the energy of most popular police or defense type rounds is only about 400 ft. lbs. (plus or minus a few pounds) for 9mm, 10mm/.40 cal, or .45 cal there isn't much difference in the wounds. Bullet design and where the bullet hit makes more difference. If you want to cause significantly more damage, up the velocity and energy significantly. The original Norma 10mm load was on another level, but it was too much for many people. So the ammo most people will use is all about the same, and people fight over who has the baddest cookie cutter ammo.
Ive seen .45 hollow points open up to almost an inch, a 9mm dreams of one day getting off the bleachers to get more than half an inch of diameter with JHP
@@G53X0Y0Z0 Anyone with sense/experience will never have a rebuttal to what you just stated. I completely agree and have seen such proven.
.cal. 45...is like a tsunami..... 9mm is like a shower in those cheap motels pouring like infants urine....
I experienced being ambushed
by 3 men, me riding a motorbike 10 o'clock in d evening in a poor ligthed area, i was then carrying a Beretta 92fs 9mm, i ws hit in d chest, i fell on d ground, i pulled my beretta 20rounds capacity on a mecgar mags and returned fire, in just like 5 to 10 seconds i felt like i ws drowning in d middle of d ocean bcoz both of my lungs ws hit.. I cannot move my whole body, i just keep pumping those 20 rounds and drove d attackers away, luckily i survived, i under went emergency major medical operation they revived my lungs, removed my spleen, 1 month confined in a hospital..... Because my attackers used. 45 caliber... I almost died..... Luckily i was carrying a high capacity gun in 9mm and drove them away...
I live in California, so I choose .45 for the extra power.
9mm for carry and a .45 for home defense makes sense.
That was my thinking. If I'm getting a smaller gun for ccw 45s just don't have the capacity,, but in a full size gun you can still have plenty of rounds in .45
357 for carry, .45 for home defense AND carry. One .357 magnum center mass is "plenty of rounds".
Robin18us shotgun, or SBR for home defense. You're in your house. No reason to carry a low capacity .45
Robin18us exactly what I do. Fnx45 tactical for the house. Czp01 carry.
I like both, Bed side is a 45, Carry is a 9. For the same exact reasons you mentioned and explained. You have your head on straight when it comes to your point of views referring to all this shit. Im impressed actually with your knowledge and understanding, And more so cause your a young man. Oh and just to add, My 1911, Im not concealing it or "Going to war with it". Its clean, with a light installed and sits next to my bed to protect my family at night. My Pm9 or 26 gets to leave the house daily.
357 magnum. Because its a revolver
Because if you're going to train, train to hit center mass with a .357 magnum. People always preach "training", so if you're gonna train, then you should be able to tame the 357. Why would you do anything else??? One shot center mass, game over.
Hollow points even the playing field between the calibers, but id rather have a .45 because if youre forced to use ball ammo youre still in business
Use the gun you train with the most. The bad guy doesn't give a shit about what caliber they're being shot with. Chris made the point & I will make it also - IT'S YOUR PREFERENCE!!!
Practice Often and Carry Always
Lol love that profile pic!!
+Ben Garrison Smith and Wesson 500 appendix carry that and you're set.
Exactly...it doesn't matter what caliber you shoot if you cannot hit your target. You are better off shooting a lighter caliber if that is more controllable for you.
Currently I’ve been rotating between a 9mm and 45 acp for my edc but when I’m feeling cute I carry my GP100 3 inch 357magnum with Remington 125grain semi jacketed hollow points......which is the best in my opinion
Great vid. The answer I always give to new shooters is the Glock 19.
"Which caliber?" Glock 19.
"Which JHP should I buy for my 1911?" Glock 19.
"How do you make potato salad?" Glock 19.
9mm is great for most applications. Debate over.
Glock 19
I have a similar thing but I like the g26, but I ankle carry quite a bit.
Glock 19 and 17. Done. one for range use and general fighting gun and the other for... the exact same thing!
+Perlen works Glock 26 for carry and share all the others mags/ammo!
+Ahmad Aboukar I tried to make potato salad with my Glock 19. ...It could have gone better.
As someone thats interested in ballistics, can there be a video on your $0.02 on +P and +P+ ammo
9mm HOLLOW POINTS. I rest my case.
.45 ACP HOLLOW POINT
There are 9mm rounds that expand bigger and penetrate deeper than almost all .45s. The velocity of the 9 helps it to expand.
@@DragonSlayer-tg5mk bullshit what Ammo u talking about.cause I have Winchester Ranger and Federal HST 230gr and they expand way bigger than yo peony 9
@@TheRealZJE313 I said ALMOST all .45s. You picked the one that does expand bigger, to a whopping 1.00!!! However, most .45s don't come close to that. But, your round doesn't penetrate as deeply as the Ranger 9mm which expands to a .75. One thing you should look at before designating it peony, whatever that means, is the Ellifritz study that looked at real world shooting for 10 years. When it came to Incapacitation Success regardless of rounds fired, because everyone is trained to keep shooting until the threat stops, the 9mm, .40, .357, and 44 all had a success rate of 87% while the .45 only had a success rate of 86%. Not much of a difference but the .45 was a little behind the others. I think it is probably because people have too much faith in the big .45 and don't pay enough attention to ammo brand selection, or people just don;'t shoot it as well. But you have definitely picked a VERY good round. Bottom line, all the major calibers perform pretty much the same and ammo brand selection is more important than caliber.
@@DragonSlayer-tg5mk that study is not better than the one that they did in the early 1900 9vs45 on the cow carcasses they got from the slaughterhouse and that was just regular ball ammo
9mm for over penetration because sometimes you're target is behind something.
9mm or .45?
Yes.
I personally like a Sig-Sauer P229 in 40 S&W. Reasons:
1) Fits my hand very well and not that big an issue to carry.
2) 12 capacity + 2 back up mags gives me 36 rounds. If I can't either end the confrontation in three dozen rounds or at least break contact and move to safety, I'm not gonna' make it out anyway.
3) I, personally, don't care about the cost of factory ammo for practice, I *GASP* reload for my semi-autos quite successfully at a fraction of the cost in dollars. It DOES take more time and a bit more equipment to make reliable rounds for the semi-autos.
4) With the compromise of 180 - 210 gr. bullet at near 9mm velocities, I can put quite a chunk of lead through the ten ring consistently at ranges from 7 feet to 25 yards with not much problem. I know, in a defense situation time of delivery is more important than perfect accuracy. But, it is nice to KNOW you can follow with a very well placed stop shot to the brain pan if the first couple hit and the aggressor stays up (Yeah, it can happen with all calibers!).
5) Those are what I tell myself the reasons are, but then any gun is better than a hand full of air at a critical juncture and I REALLY like the thing. As an aside, I've NEVER HAD A JAM WITH FACTORY DEFENSE ROUNDS OR HAND LOADED AMMO!
There is the story and I'm sticking with it ;-)
is someone eating in the background? lol
Hey wassup. I was wondering what your thoughts on the hk vp9 are. Thank you.
Who the hell was chugging through a bowl of cereal while you recorded this video? Lol
I carry a .45 Colt derringer. I like the versatility of it. I carry bullets from 144 to 300 grain, and they can be flat-nose, hollow-point, wadcutter, or lead balls. One of my favorites is a 288 grain double-ball load. Puts two big holes right next to each other. I also like to take a standard 255 grain black powder load, and sand down the nose of the flat-nose bullet, till it's about 240 grains. It makes for a larger permanent cavity, and reduces the chance of over-penetration.
what the hell was all that clanging the background? It sounds like you're in a restaurant!
+Chad Blaha My room mate cooking lunch.
Regular Guy Training LLC lol
Chad Blaha his bullet reloader elves duh
Waitress: "sooo..... I'll just give you a few more minutes to order"
someone doing the dishes in the background?
I've been carrying a .40 for a few years. When I bought my pistol two people in the shop were having the same exact argument so i said fuck it and went right in the middle. I haven't looked back yet. Also ARG keep up the good content, I've made a few purchases and walked away from even more bad ones based on your reviews. Keep up the good work
Can you please provide the hospital and study? I lecture on EMS issues and would love to read it.
do paramedics still take an obviously dead guy to the hospital
Ha very good point.
WCGwkf Yes, it's the doctor's job to declare someone dead, not EMS. Hence "Dead On Arrival"
WCGwkf yea any DoA we still have to actually view the body to confirm death
a physician has to declare a person dead, but if ems patches in to a physician and gives em the run down then the physician can call the patient dead on scene. that happens if they're seriously damaged ie brain matter exposed with zero vitals and a ton of other shit. most of the time all gsw patients will be transported even if they're missing a head because their organs can be harvested.
It takes 20 mins of flatline heartmonitor to declare someone dead. Until than they have to give them ALS which is only properly possible in a hospital.The only case where they dont is if the guy has no head.
.45ACP is the Chuck Norris of rounds, the 9mm is the Steven Seagal of rounds.
more like 45 being Chuck Norris ie all reputation and memes but in reality is quite average and 9mm is that unassuming guy in a corner that in fact is a SEAL that will tear your head off if you mess with him ...
so they both will kick your ass its just not the case where Norris is roundhousekicking you so hard your grandma gets knocked out with you ...
having used both, I prefer the .45.
which is fine, its your preference, just dont go around trying to convince people that 45 is superior self defense caliber to 9mm Luger, because in reality, theyr advantages and drawbacks put both of them at about the same level.
the real power in handgun rounds lies in 357SiG, 10mm auto and 357/41/44 Magnum, maybe +p loaded .40 but as far as 9mm/45 goes they both suck when compared to theyr significantly more powerful brethren
the 9mm is fine if you have a particularly delicate wrist and poor eye hand coordination. Otherwise it is suckage and adding more capacity only increases the suckage.
Heavy slow moving projectiles are actually harder to slow down, due to sustained momentum (mass times velocity). Light fast moving slow down faster. Physics
velocity is squared bro, squared!
sounds like that should be the case but it's simply not. 45 slows down much faster than 9mm rounds, it's pretty much a proven fact.
+Michel Parent not in the momentum its not squared. Thats the kinetic energy equation 0.5mv^2
+Chris Watson Post up your research then
Incorrect, Please go take a physics class and you will be educated. Rifles penetrate less than handguns
the person eating in the background tho
.44 magnum all the way, because even if you miss, the attacker will be deaf from the muzzle blast and blind from the muzzle flash after one shot and won't want to fight anymore. That way, six rounds is more than enough. I might be deaf and blind too, but hey, at least I won the fight.
Regular Guy Training LLC: What is your military/fighting experience?
What’s yours?
I’m a 45 fanboy. Colt and ACP.
What about a .40 S&W video ?
Please nobody take his advice and use standard .45 target ammo for self defense.! There is a huge reason why manufacturers have .45 ammo in both target ammo and self defense. Standard target ammo won't expand after impact and keep traveling exiting your threat and potentially strike an innocent bystander. Only use hollow points for self defense.
Hunter 13 So you're saying it's safe to take a shot at a target (threat) with innocent bystanders in the background if you're loaded with hollow points? I hope you're a damn good shot and don't miss.
Gordon Cox thats not what hes saying dumbass! Your never suppose to shot someone with someone behind them in general but you sure the fuck never do that with target ammo. I learned that shit from jump that was horrible horrible advise
That's why a pistol is usually your secondary weapon in the military. Primary being your rifle.
+380stroker unless it was olden times when you got PCC.
It is said the greatest purpose of a pistol is its enabling you to fight your way to your rifle.
if it doesn't shoot 45. its not worth a damn and wont even kill a cockroach (or was i suppose to say 9MM) but i cant wait for a sub compact version with rails for flashlights lasers mp3 player waffle iron gps salt and pepper dispenser and it also needs to be in pink
Another good reason to choose 9, related to the concealability advantage discussed in the video, is that smaller hands can use it better than a larger framed pistol chambered in .45.
Well the USMC apparently feels differently about the argument as they have returned to the 1911 in .45acp
+Clayton Alexander they will be using ball ammo, so actually they agree with me in that when using that ammo, 45 is the better deal.
I know and the way the Marines help to determine what round they woild use came down to energy at impact which the .45 dose have more enery then the .9mm also the combat records spaning over 100 years of use , its also why they are considering a change in rifles from .556NATO back to7.62 NATO
I was an armourer in the Marines attached to a JSOC before blowing out my knee so I'm a big .45 fan use the 9mm for practice and a carry gun in places where my .45 is to obvious
I switch it up every now and again, but usually carry a g19 because well, florida..... dressing down and whatnot.
+AregularGuy 'Massad Ayoob' said the 45 would do better going thru heavy New England winter clothing HP's tend to plug and not expand. Hence I can easy make the jump to 9mm HP's for Florida sun armor.
I've said for years that the best home defense gun is a suppressed .45 w/light attached. You can maneuver. You can light up the target, and most friggin importantly, if you have to pull the trigger in the enclosed spaces of a home, you'll still have your hearing afterwards. Good vid.
Good info, but there should be a “no eating” rule when making your videos. It was distracting, yet oddly funny. Lol.
My father was a combat vet having been in the Korean Conflict. He always said "A pistol was what you use to fight your way back to a real gun.". I happen to agree.
DOOM reference... props.
Which would hurt more a thin needle or a thick needle? I know id rather get the small thinner one even though it goes in a little bit deeper
Everyone always says that 9 mm with modern ammunition is just as good as .45. Why doesn't anyone ever mention modern hollow point ammunition for the .45??? If 9mm hollows are good wouldn't a .45 hollow be better? Somebody please explain this to me.
+Boomer22z .45 ACP doesn't move fast enough for the round to expand. .45 JHPs have not proven to create significantly bigger wound channels than .45 FMJs.
Supersonic rounds, on the other hand...
***** it does out of a 5in barrel. It was designed for a 5in barrel. Go watch tnoutdoors9 ammo tests. And it does create bigger wound channels, in ballistics gel anyway. Guns with shorter barrels tend to make the 45 penatrate deeper from the smaller expansion but smaller wound channel
+Joe Blow Are most 9mm guys basing their conclusions on wound channel ballistics? I was wondering if actual shootings are used anymore. I thought I read that actual shootings were considered unreliable as a source. I forgot the name of the studies, Marshall maybe? I actually carry a 9mm more but it's not because I think it's more effective but just because it's small and light. Just from personal experience full power 40 and 357 are the ones I'd least like to be hit by but that's personal experience. I'm ready to learn whatever the reality may be. I just keep hearing 9mm is just as good which actually makes me want to question if it's true.
My buddy says he feels less recoil on his 45 Mod 2 than his 40 mod 2. I know the barrel is slightly larger on the 45. Any thoughts or opinions?
Recoil on a 45 is no where near as bad..40's are real snappy and for no reason.
Magazine capacity is why. One 9mm can incapacitate one man (what I believe) and .45 ACP is more powerful than God (what the .45 or die crowd believes)
They're actually nearly identical in wound channel capability.. but 9mm has more capacity.
.45 ACP loses.
I've conducted ballistic tests and have seen nearly every variation of every caliber. The only ones that really stand out are 10mm Auto and .357 Sig.. two cartridges that I prefer not to carry.
Aside from Doubletap Bonded Defense JHPs (which are quite good) I haven't seen anything particularly outstanding. Most .45 ACPs don't have the velocity to expand properly.
It just comes down to the fact that all handgun ammo is weak. 9mm JHPs have adequate incapacitation potential and excellent magazine capacity. The only .45 I would ever consider carrying is the Glock 21 and it's a freaking monstrosity.
The FNP 45 is not suitable for concealed carry. It's gargantuan.
I live in the San Tan Valley, Arizona. eight months out of the year my only option for carry is board shorts and a tank top. Come on down and try to carry your blue whale of a pistol out here.
Man, you really are preaching the good news of the .45 ACP, aren't you?
It's not for me, bro. It costs much more, I can store less of it, the guns are larger and heavier, it gives me no documented advantage over 9x19. Thanks, but no thanks.
Good overall info. I was always happy carrying my 1911 with 9 rounds of 45 in it and a couple of those long WC 10 rounders for spares. With or without the spare mags I wasn't too concerned with the "low" round count for basic carry needs.
In recent years, with the preponderance of rioting going on, I have returned to the wondernine. Specifically an FN FNX-9. Love my 45 ACPs, but there is something comforting in these times about having a pistol loaded with 18 124 grain HST +Ps on board and two quick 17 round reloads for if and when shit really goes bad.
California here, glock 30S. I can only have 10, I pick 10 .45.
I hope you have moved to America at this point.
Bottom line...it matters where you shoot and the ammo's ability to mess up the insides of a person.
I wonder the 9 vs 40 being more of a thing than 9 vs 45 I see 9 vs 40 the capacity is similar but usually a little more in 9 gun size is similar if not the same but you get more power from the 40 so I guess is the small loss of capacity worth the increase in power and extra were on the gun
I know this is a and 45 debate but really I think a 40 caliber is better than both of them
great videos. any opinion on 7.62x25mm ammo.
Ok man, I gotta do some statistics for you. In 2014, of the murders committed with weapons, 47% were handguns while 2% were rifles. Handguns don't suck at killing people, people suck at killed people. I'm not advocating killing anyone, not a big fan of it, find it pointless and a waste, but statistics aren't necessarily with you. I've seen people survive chest wounds from a 5.56 and other chest wound victims die from a .380ACP. It's relative to several factors, not just the type of weapon or caliber used. Anecdotal evidence aside, statistics speak volumes. Even of those that weren't killed, they're suffering a ton from being shot, seen that too from a 7.62 entering in the hand and exiting the elbow. It's all relative to shot placement.
+AverageJoe statistics of volume are not statistics of likely hood. Pay more attention to the video, I stated basically that if you are shot by a handgun, you will likely live, (why they suck at killing people) if you are shot by a rifle you will likely die (why they don't).
AregularGuy If you re-read my comment I also attribute the likelihood and volume to shot placement. If you get shot in the arm with a handgun or rifle chances are you'll live given the ability to make it to medical help. Conversely if you're shot center mass with a handgun or rifle puncturing lung and/or heart your chances of surviving are equally shitty and only variable to the amount of time it takes to get to a hospital. It's all about shot placement. Your statistics of likelihood aren't true statistics, it's anecdotal at best. Furthermore, making such claims on likelihood of survival of one or the other goes into anti-gunner propaganda furthering their ignorance. I'd hate to see some asshole take your statement and use it to further their cause of banning firearms.
Your chances are about the same if shot in the chest with a pistol than with a rifle?...... is destructive power alone, you are entirely false. my stats came from hospital ERs dude, and there have already been people in the comments that have posted links backing my statement. and I said quite directly that a handgun will do the job, just terribly. also, if you are afraid to be honest, then those who wish control over you have won. I'm done with catering to those who cant handle blunt truth. People have been cultured to have their feeling cuddled, and its breeds cowardice, namby pamyby, suger coated behavior. It does nothing but pussify everyone in all directions. So fuck that, I don't apologize for stating facts, when compared to a rifle, pistols suck ass at killing people, so stop dick measuring about what pistol caliber you use. and if someone would like to take this statement from the video out of context then its on them to be ignorant.
AregularGuy My stats come from UCR's compiled into data and posted on FBI's website. My stats also come from 13 years in law enforcement, a plethora of discussions on various calibers, grain content, casings, rifling, sights, triggers, and range time. The fact is shot placement outweighs all other factors in a gun fight. Your ER "stats" are what's called anecdotal information. My advice to you would be to first look up what anecdotal information means, then get better sources, after that read up on velocity and what the difference between a low velocity round and a high velocity round is. Furthermore, ballistics testing that is as recent as 2014 from FBI has confirmed the damage potential of several commonly used handgun calibers, which also shows the energy transfer within the target and force expansion. It would be in your interest to research this information prior to trying to slam someone using weak arguments that have no actual evidence and lack conviction.
+AverageJoe he is right in the sense that the rifle is so much more destructive due to the massive amounts of tissue cavitation when high speed object like a rifle bullet enters the body compare to a slower handgun bullet. I just don't think he really worded that statement well enough. as far a why so many deaths are from handguns verses rifles, a handgun is so much easier to carry around and present than a rifle. I don't exactly no the scenarios behind every homicide in the US but I would have to imagine that the attacker was trying to get close to his/ her target without showing they had a weapon. volume of use is the driving point here. one on one, both bullets hitting someone in the heart will more than likely kill said person dead just the same. but in a case where the bullet misses the vitals but still enters the chest the rifle round is exponentially more likely to cause death than the handgun is due to the cavitation it creates. if you have ever been hunting you know what I'm talking about. I shot a deer through the lungs with my 30-06 last year, which in and of itself obviously causes death. after skinning it, I saw the the exit wound was so big that I could stick my fist into and not touch any of the meat. with that kind of explosive pass through I would have to say that even if I had missed hitting the vitals directly the Shockwave of cavitation that the high speed bullet cause as it passed through the deer (at around 2800 feet per second) would have caused a fatality anyway. A handgun round on the other hand, would not because it is not moving fast enough to create that much cavitation. it definitely creates some, but most of its damage comes from the direct tearing of flesh caused from the hole it makes through its diameter while cutting through the body.
so im about to buy my first handgun and i did research and decided on a glock 19 gen 3 but i came across something that got me curious, one of the things i liked a lot about glocks is they work, however ive seen a couple videos and see that they shut down a little quick when dirtied with sand or dirt, now i know that every machine has its limits and they should be maintained but just how reliable are they in dirty environments? thanks for all the vids btw
gold dot hollow points are fantastic in almost any caliber offered.
Golddot is life
Agreed speer and Cor Bon are all I buy for hollow points
No federal HSTs all year long bro
+Andrew Sanford Golddot is death.
literally all three rounds mentioned are outstanding
I carry a .40 because it's what's available to me. In AZ, an 18 year old can carry a pistol if it's gifted by a parent. My dad was able to give me a 40, and even though I prefer 9mm, I make the best of what I have, and I don't feel like I'm missing out because I don't carry a 9 or 45.
Glock 19, appendix carry, 147g gold dot
+spencerizback you a cop?
Alot of people have Glock 19's.
Even me
prefer my VP9
I prefer whatever goes bang and can gun someone down a few feet away.
Why did the military move from .45 BALL ammo to 9mm ball ammo?
At least you aren't a bi-sexual .40 cal shooter (see Colion Noir and FX Hummel). :) I mostly carry 9mm... Beretta 92fs compact inox or Glock 43. If I need a slimmer profile, I will carry my Ruger SR1911 with the Glock 43 as a backup.
Whoa ! Bi sexual .40 cal shooter ??
Your the one carrying a Ruger 1911 and backing it up with a G43 !
Tmankiller72
Touche.
+Tmankiller72 GOT EM
gross glock...
Matthew Richcreek I actually used to carry a 1911R1 then I switched to a j frame .357 but now I carry a cz P09 with a threaded barrel CGW pro package a custom mag well extended magazine release with fiber optic sights in a shoulder holster 21 round mag in the gun and a 21 round and 19 round back up mags in the mag holders on my holster and I am never carrying another gun
I've noticed that the 45 is more of a push and the 9 is more of an up snap. I own a 30s(.45acp) but my girlfriend has a Glock 26(9mm). I'm considering selling the 30s just for the conceal reasons. I'm so torn though. AREGULARGUY... Do you suggest mastering one pistol caliber instead of multiple if you're a conceal carrier?
1911 subcompact is easier to CC (thinner), and easier to shoot. If you haven't tried one, go rent one at the range. If your goal is to "master" a gun, be aware that whatever "disadvantages" the 1911 has completely disappear with just a bit of dedicated training (I mean operating the safety, doing a reload, etc.). It is my impression that the 45 has nicer recoil, and is quieter. These factors, plus the easy shootability of the 1911, make it my preferred round. But I shoot 9mm too, because its cheap, good practice, and fun at the range. My wife shoots the 9, but prefers her Ruger Security Six revolver. She'll shoot your ass dead with it at 25 yards.
I train with .45, 9mm, and .40. Personally I think it's a good idea to be proficient with all common rounds. I also shoot 10mm and .357sig but those are more of novelty rounds to me. 10mm is a good mountain gun though. I also think it's a good idea to be proficient with common rifle rounds too, like 7.62x39, 5.56x45, and .308. With martial arts you don't just master one technique or one weapon. And that's exactly what gun fighting is, a martial art.
try 357 sig u won't have regrets.. lol
+Brigido Tabion but money
9mm Luger vs. .45 ACP; this is an argument and a comparison that will never be settled. In either case, when it comes down to self-defense, shot placement is and always will be the determining factor.
MP5 bitches lol!!!!!
+codebebop Gee I wish.
+Jeffrey Bromfield yeah but at least the MP5 would run! .....it was just a joke guys.
+Jeffrey Bromfield I was referring to a semi but I believe you can get a full auto trigger group for $200+.....it just can't go into the gun(or so I'm told)..... :-(
+Tmankiller72 lmfao!! I'd give you a up vote for that!!!!
that monstrosity is amongst the most inaccurate weapons known to man lol
One thing you left out... momentum. Anyone that shoots steel will be aware of it. The group I train with will set the dueling tree up for 9mm. When it’s shot with 45, the plates swing around and come all the way back. I can’t run against someone on the dueling tree bc I automatically beat myself. Especially when you handle the plates and get an idea of their mass, then see when sometimes 9mm doesn’t even flip them all the way around, you get an idea about momentum even though the kinetic energy isn’t that far off between the two rounds. There’s a large difference in effective power which translates to psychological stops. However a double stack 9mm has a psych stop advantage bc often people would rather not keep getting shot, so you can defend against more people with your available ammo. That being said, as an instructor, I commonly recommend 9mm to most people bc of its lower cost and reduced recoil. Everyone needs to shoot their pistol more. I have a Dillon 550 so cost means little to me. The difference between a box of either is about $1. I do carry various single stack 45’s daily and shoot often and well. The capacity thing lingers in the back of my mind but honestly if I’m faced with an attacking force that large I’ll be looking for a way out regardless of what caliber or capacity I’m carrying. You’ll win all the fights you avoid.
momentum means squat when firing at humans because you arent aiming to push them off balance but to punch enough holes in them to stop them from killing you ...
penetration and wounding capability are the only factors relevant to self defense, everything else is just gravy on top for personal preference
I carry a 45 acp because it’s just comfortable to me and I’m more accurate with it. It’s my thought it doesn’t matter what you carry. If your not comfortable and accurate with it. You might as well spend the money on good running shoes.
I carry a 1911 pistol in .45 acp. My wife carries a Taurus 605 with .357 magnum loads. She keeps saying, "If you're not getting adequate penetration, you're just wasting your time."
what's your opinion on 5.7x28?
Braiden bjorge are you referring to cocealability? Of the glock 19 as i have very little experiance with Glock fire arms
Another fantastic no-BS video. Thanks! I was surprised to see you throw down against adrenaline like that though.😀. It's an important point however because in a self-defense scenario regardless of caliber people need to understand that they should keep shooting until the threat has been stopped. As you pointed out, one shot stops with handguns are mostly reserved for Hollywood.
What about magnum pistol rounds like .357 and .44? are they a big step up compared to 9 and 45 or not so much?
I don't know any manufacturer who makes a bear load for a 9mm or 45 ACP. I rest my case...
This was some really good information, I hadn't seen this one so thanks for sharing.
My dad always said a pistol was to "back 'em up to rifle range"
Hey I have a serious dilemma. My friend has been talking about getting a pistol for concealed carry/ home defense. I told him that a 9mm would be plenty of gun. He is persistent on getting a .22lr handgun for concealed carry. He says "that it doesn't matter what the caliber, a bullet is bullet either way." I have nothing against .22s but for a self defense weapon that you need to put someone on the ground, I feel like he's making a huge mistake. What are your thoughts on .22lr for concealed carry/ home defense? And what could I tell him that wont hurt his pride?
+420sthedaytopray I can tell you from a street perspective....I run shootings often enough to see many .22 and .25 auto imbedded in the fat, hardly any blood spilled. It comes down to what may be a better choice. If he wants a tiny concealed...go for a mouse gun .380 ACP. Home defense, either a G19 or a G21. Also, look at the availability of .22 ammo right now? Maybe show him some ballistic gel tests for the .22lr. From my experience, PCP and xtasy are making a big come back on the streets. People are literally out of their minds on those drugs and do not even realize they are being shot. >22lr is an absolute ridiculous option when you have so many better to choose from.
At first I had doubts about your depth of experience because of your youthful appearance. but your description of supersonic rounds blowing by laid that concern to rest.
Thanks for an educational and enjoyable video.
Scott Myatt you aren't that smart. He has little experience because of his youthful Look? He is a combat veteran. I enlisted at 17 and was in SOF by the time I was 20, still look young. And I've been killing bad dudes for 10 years. What little you would know from looking at someone's face
The more videos I watch about bullets and ballistics, the more confident I am that there is only one important thing to know:
All bullets can and have failed. Rely not on the bullet, not on the gun, but on your skills and mindset. Hardware is cool, hardware is fun, but software is what is important.
Just curious, I get my .45 ammo for 40 cents a shot, where do you buy rifle ammo for cheaper than that? And can i have the website or store location? Thanks in advance.
go to gunbot.net and sort by price per round. just picked up a thousand rounds of 7.62x39 for $245 after shipping.
Thank you for your video and the reason I found is that I go by 'THE Regular Guy'. Just found this and I add to the fact "all handgun calibers are WEAK" core message on my channel in '9mm vs. .40 vs. .45' video. Good job and kudos for spreading a message that will save some lives.
I personally think that the majority of instances where people survive handgun rounds so often is because handguns are very difficult to use under stress when compared to a long gun which will cause the rounds to hit in less vital areas. I've seen some impressive handgun rounds and in my opinion are good enough to get the job done.
carrying 40, moved up from a 9 since my state says 10 rounds only im making them larger rounds
What are your thoughts on .357 Magnum and 5.7 x 28mm?
9 mm. capacity.
what about for shooting through stuff like cars walls and glass?
You pretty much nailed it. My work carry, where carry is against policy, is a Shield9 in the pocket. My main carry when I'm not working is a Glock 21. I went with .45acp because eventually, I want to buy a suppressor, and eventually a 5" 1911 for range use and target shooting, and if I'm already going to have a gun in .45acp, what's another?
2nd that.
shield at work, FNX .45 otherwise
+1 on the Shield .
Haven't fired the FNX .45 but handled it , seems pretty light for a larger gun. 15 rounds of .45 is never a bad thing.
+galamonkey I'm a fan of the M&P45. You lose 3 rounds, but it's almost exactly the same size as an M&P9. A joy to shoot.
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Only issues I've had were Reloaded ammo induced.
Perfection in a handgun... ALMOST
i rock the same setup but i have a G30 w a G21 mag and a Shield9 w Magguts
I carry a Glock 21sf. As stated in the vid about modern ammo, that applies to 45acp also, modern 45 auto can expand to .7 to 1" which smaller calibers can't do. 13 round mags for a g21, its enough for a secondary weapon, imo. I would hope it could get me out of a jam if the need arises, or buy me time to get to a primary weapon if a situation became dire.
Just curious , if money wasn't an issue would you still choose 9mm ?
+Al Codie for defense and concealed yes
+AregularGuy
A Commander 1911 will conceal as easy or better than 9mm double stack.
A few 1911 mags will fit in a pocket.
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James Yeager has an opinion, just like anyone else. Seeing some of his instruction on line, he has nothing of value to show me.
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He shouldn't have camera people standing next to targets while shots are being fired. He shouldn't have students face up-range with a loaded weapon in their hands.
+pyakoumatos www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/08/22/tactical-response-training-try-not-to-shoot-the-photographer/ That's what he is talking about.
Good points! I have used a Ruger P85MkII since '87 as my go to duty sidearm/open carry, love the capacity... and for CCW, I carry an XDS .45, 4.0", love it for its size, and went for the .45 as the ammo capacity isnt an issue for me due to the hitting quality of .45, as I dont see any
everyday statistical scenarios with a joe blow where three high capacity mags of 9mm has been be spent. My preferences of course!
Thanks for the concern, but I humbly disagree. In my experience on the range, at 25 yards , whereas the 9mm will not knock down the heavier steel targets, the .45 does it easily most everytime. I'm a fan of both calipers, but IMO l realistically see situations on the street, where the average defender is not necessarily going to need a 17 round mag emptied out, maybe 2 to 3 shots at the most. I would like to see studies that show ammo use in defense, but I havent. So for me, either capacity of 9mm/.45 ammo will suffice, agian I'm using .45 on my person, for reasons stated. I do see gang bangers going through several mags of 9mm because they hold firearms sideways and can't hit ****, trigger pulling rapidly.
Addendum: I just found a link to a thread, citing to graphics showing rounds fired on average in defense, and calipers used...you will see even though 9mm wins out in use, with .45 coming in second, the rounds fired averages about where I was thinking. See link. thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464062
Seriously - best 9 vs. 45 video I've seen yet lol
I decided on the .45 when I bought my first handgun. My thinking was: If handgun calibers suck, then I want every advantage I can get with each bullet. Capacity was obviously a concern so I did my research and found that the XD-45 fit the bill. It's been accurate, 100% reliable, and after 5 years, I'm happy to say that I'm not disappointed with my purchase. That being said, I do plan on switching to the glock 19 in the future, but for the time being, I'm confident that I could get the job done with what I'm working with now. I liked how you pointed out that .45 HP and FMJ are both effective fight stoppers. Y'know, I'm pretty sure that 9mm FMJ bullets can work in a pinch too, as long as the shooter is accurate..
I own both the 9 and 45 Springfield XDS's, and now I have more reasons to keep them both. I like them more than my S&W Shield which may become an EoTech one of these days.
It's not about "killing" it's about "stopping" and stopping them faster than they can hurt someone.