Hey, David! How do we contact you? We sent an email but never got an answer. Could have gone to spam due to we left our email & phone number. I sent another on the way to work now. Same name. Thank You. As for the Supra manual, I think it was long overdue not sure if anyone said anything during the first batch about it being auto. I thought they would have made it one because they do have other cars in manual or you can request them in manual as you can with Honda.
Hearing that Toyota almost immediately began work on a manual transmission in response to customer's asking for it matters more to me than them actually making a manual Supra. It shows that Toyota is paying attention, and is responding to consumer feedback. Now we just need them to ramp up planned production numbers on the GR Corolla and crack down on markups.
Production numbers are set and dealers will be allowed to markup the limited number of cars they get....markup is 2 to 5k for a regular corolla already....GR will 10 to 15k markup easily
I remember back in 2020 I went into a toyota dealership at the parts department and they were talking about how they were testing a manual supra on some track. Glad to see its finally here
Auto enthusiats are not buyers. They just talk on reddit. Sales drives everything, so they did this to compete with the Z. If Toyota really listened to their customers they would of added a turbo to the GR86.
@@ChuukeseStink I'm a car enthusiast and a buyer. While Toyota was making excuses for why the Zupr4 cost so much and didn't have a manual transmission, I bought a brand-new 2020 car with a clutch pedal. Toyota's manual transmission is too little, too late for me to care.
Toyota and all manufacturers don't care about consumers or enthusiasts. They care about profits and shareholders as well as executives. Let's keep it real. They put the manual into the 2023 GR Supra because they are worried about the sales and the Nissan Z having been released and the 2023 BMw M2 coming in April.
A bmw engine shouldn’t be a problem because they’re the kings of modern gas powered inline turbo 6’s 🤨 this is coming from someone that’s worked on and driven everything from corollas to Bentleys and everything in between. I’ve owned a 2J and most people look at those through rose colored glasses if you ask me, technology progresses🤷🏾♂️
Exactly bro, who better to turn to than the modern king of in-line turbo 6’s. The fact that the b58 holds up so well through Toyota’s brutal testing speaks worlds to the smart strategies that toyota’s management & engineering teams have
The partnership on this car never bothered me. Really, a BWM turbo i6 with Toyota reliability is the kind of thing that would normally only exist in a fantasy. So happy they put in a stick in it. Very cool car now.
@@kleinbottled79 idk about toyota reliability. That 0 weight oil and long oil change intervals is causing premature bearing failure. Use 10w oil and change it every 5,000kms. And ignore the manufacturers reccomendation
Love this car now. it becomes a Toyota more and more with each passing year. I've never owned an auto. manuals are just more fun. i live in the Sierra Nevada mountains and shifting through the curvy mountain roads there is nothing like it. Having a bad day the occasional clutch drop from a stop sign or clutch kick in a corner will fix that...
@@Theedd9991 if have traffic or only straight roads then yeah. But if you drive in the mountains then no. Something super satisfying about nailing the perfect heel-toe downshift coming in to a corner. DCT is still fun, just less fun IMO
@@luxuriousmindset1906 that’s actual bullshit though. It could have been done without BMW. Toyota makes stupid profit margins. They got greedy. It’s that simple
@@Milkman69ner And the FT1 would've been in the 100K+ price range! Ya'lll fail to know and realize this.....plus the FT1 was just a Concept Car (especially made for a Gran Turismo video game for Playstation)had nothing to do with the Supra name. And for the record, ya'll fuss about the Supra MK5 A90 not being a "fully-toyota-sports-car" yet where was the masses that didn't buy the Supra Mk4 A80, Lexus LC500, Lexus LFA, Lexus RCF, Lexus ISF, ETC?? Which were all "fully Toyota-blooded-sports-cars" which all sold POORLY.
I'm not gonna lie. I really fell in love with this thing. The bmw motor never bothered me, the interior didn't quite fit the car and what it was going for (that infotainment screen always bothered me, regardless of car). But after three or so years it grew on me so much to the point where I really want one in the future. Seeing it in person is so much different. This solidified it, maybe three, four years down the road. Still going to get a gr86/brz in the near future, but after that definitely
Toyota GR Deparpement tunes the Supra to the way Toyota wants it to perform and that’s what people don’t understand it’s not just a parts bin from bmw Toyota tunes these cars and even with this manual transmission Toyota tuned the manual transmission to their liking also.
You can preach facts all you want. Unfortunately the idiots who still say ‘it’s JuSt a BMw’ will not change the way they think. I absolutely adored it when it was launched and bought a new one last June and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It’s so phenomenal.
“We’re doing it live!” One quote that will never cease to make me laugh 😂. I wouldn’t be surprised when I’ll see dealerships mark them up for $100k when they hit the lots
@@cherrylanemonroe1082 if someone pays that they better get free oil change of the owners choosing and free maintenance work for life along with tire/wheel replacements!
I think too many reviewers gloss over the fact that this is a sublime smooth strong straight six, as compared to a semi unrefined V6 in the Nissan that doesn’t t like to be redlined. Thanks for pointing that out!.😊
Glad to hear that you liked the manual and the drive experience! I've been reading the same experience recently! Also, I loved the edit in the beginning!
It’s all about sales strategies…every year they put out a new different version of the supra..so that the sales stays consistent thru out the generation
Thanks for the video. This 100% redeemed Toyota in my eyes is the reason why this car is at the top of my shortlist for my next sports car. Yes everyone is pushing EVs for the future but people can't look past the amazing "attainable" sports cars we have now and all with manuals. We have the Mazda Miata, the Veloster N (for not much longer), the Toyota GR 86 / Subaru BRZ, the Honda Civic Type R, VW Golf R, the Toyota GR Corolla, the Nissan Z, and this Toyota GR Supra. The fact that 3 of these cars are Toyotas is just proof that the leadership at Toyota knows what they need to do to make quality performance cars a reality. I did not even mention the manual variants of the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. Right now we have quite possibly the best affordable, manual sports cars ever made and maybe ever will be made. If people have the ability to buy any of these cars and sleep on them, they will regret it in the future because IMHO, in light of where the car industry seems to be going, these cars have all the makings of future classics. I would not be surprised if supercar owners make their way to a Toyota dealership because of Toyota's amazing lineup, because you can't row your own gears in many supercars with Porsche being the exception.
I only drive classic cars really so I don't have that problem. Like if I was going to get a supra I'd get 1998 model, I even saw a 1989 I think. The price is way to hyped though. But honestly once you try automatic you'd never go back! It's so good! You take your foot off the brake and the car moves forward because it's at the bite point already! I got my first auto and I'm never going back to manual.
@@jhowardsupporter OK. Thanks for sharing. If you think about it, all EVs are automatics in execution so you will be set going forward. I for one am trying to snatch up as many manuals as I can.
@@cmcz1207 LOL! Thanks. It is an amazing car but unlike the Challenger and the Mustang GM did not do such a good job of updating the style while keeping true to its iconic looks.
I own one now for 3 months. His assessment is very accurate, coming from a 19 S550 (5.0 mustang) and many other sports cars. This is a Fantastic daily or weekend car. The clutch is so nice to my old knees. The car pulls like a I can’t believe a stock sub$60k car does. And if you want some spice you can get a lot for under $5k. The only problem is the stock clutch won’t let you push +600 hp, but I bet 475-490 would be nasty… maybe some day.
I was cross shopping the mustang gt premium and the 3.0 supra as a secondary car. Decided on but still waiting for delivery of my 3.0 premium 6MT that’s about a month away from being delivered. Hearing some of the reviews on the s650 brings me back to that point where I’m wondering which one should I get. My question for you is do you miss your 5.0 v8? How did the mustang do in terms of wear and tear? I test drove the 2.0 supra because I couldn’t find a 3.0 anywhere close and it was really impressive. I’m sure the 3.0 will be even more impressing but does it compare to the v8. I test drove a s550 gt premium with a manual and it’s hard not to get excited about that noise. If you had to choose one to keep forever between the two, which one would you pick?
Lotta suspension and steering tweaks I read for 2023 Supra as well. They keep making it better! Heck the 6 spd in the Mark IV was not Toyota as well, it was also a German tranny in a Getrag and it had great beefy notch feel as well. Now add a sport roof Toyota. This is gonna be a high demand car in manual for sure. Great review! I just subbed to your channel!
The body on the supra is growing on me, when it first came out I didn’t like it to much. But now I really like it. Especially with a street hunter full body kit
I love how Toyota listens to their customers. We now have a manual Supra because people kept bugging about it. Same thing with the GR Corolla. Europe got a fun hatch and we wanted it and they gave it to us
I think not only does this car have lots of bmw influence obviously. But I think from now on bmw will have Toyotas influence bleed through in every car they make. From turbo engine tuning, to suspension all the way down to assembly line and manufacturing. Everyone talks about it being a bmw, not nobody ever mentions the fact that the partnership between the companies spans much deeper than delivering nearly complete chassis to Toyota. And you can already see the improvement in bmw cars coming out.
@@BMWROYAL there’s a lot more to the two companies relationship than the b58. Is it awesome? Yes. Toyota doesn’t make them, but they do tune their own engines for the Supra. That is part of the deal. And Toyotas b58 is more enjoyable than bmws. Or atleast it was. Toyotas engineering philosophy of iterative improvements constantly is why they have the best engineers in the auto industry and if you think bmw isn’t taking close notes you’re wrong. Long story short, both companies are making better cars, so what are you even complaining about
@@dpedd12 if any thing your completely wrong everyone says that car drives and feels like a bmw. They are not only taking notes from bmw they are taking parts, chassis, tuning and everything. The only thing the Supra has on the bmws is weight and a better manual
Just the fact that I could buy the supra with a stick now makes it an aspirational vehicle. As soon as the manual supra was revealed, the car seemed to double in appeal in my head rather than get instantly dismissed. Now it's a car I want almost as bad as an Alfa Romeo 4c, and when I finally save up the money to have one, I'll have to choose between those two
Great Video man. I like that Toyota listens to feedback. My two main gripes with this car when it launched was the fact that it only came in auto, and was severely underpowered. Toyota addressed both of those issues. I'd definitely buy one now. I remember seeing it for the first time at the NAIAS in Detroit a few years ago, and I asked the Toyota rep if there would be a manual version. Lol the guy covered his name tag, looked around, and said "we're not supposed to be talking about that."
What’s great ab Toyota and how they do so well is they listen to their audience not the money but the audience to get the consumer satisfaction to buy their cars. Which is why they are successful in the car market
I have a manual now as well and I completely agree!!!! This would have sat so much better if it had come first. Well done Toyota! Wowwwww love this manual.
Back in the day and at the time living in oregon most of My cars and trucks were stick shifts. Since the 60s the difference between buying a automatic and sticks was a small amount of money and automatics were usually the one more expensive. I have a a-91cf 2022 model and enjoy the car without fixation on getting a stick.after you have had six or seven stick shift cars you may learn to just enjoy the car regardless of transmission
Been watching you for years TDIB, you always review cars from such an enthusiast-centric viewpoint. I appreciate your passion for the automotive, keep making great vids!
I have a 2022, and I really don't know why everyone complains about the visibility in the supra. I've had this car for 9 months now and have put almost 9k miles on it, and I have absolutely zero problems seeing out of it, or turning my head when I need to change lanes. Yes, it did take me about 2 weeks to get used to after coming from my FRS, but I now have absolutely no problems with it. As for the wind buffering problem, it's easily solved with a $150 mod, and can definitely confirm that I can roll both windows all the way down and it's a non issue up to 130mph. After that, I wouldn't recommend having the windows down 😂. I really do wish I knew that a manual version was coming. It was not announced until 5 months after I bought mine.
@@KT_One you know what's funny, I randomly thought about that earlier today when I was driving home from work. I was like "how come no one complains about the visibility in the camaro? I've driven one of those and compared to my supra, it's nearly impossible to see out of.
From what I have seen on the manual gearing it looks really fun. Even 5th and 6th gears. With that said, I would guess the gas mileage of the manual will take quite a hit over the auto. Only 1 overdrive gear and its a 0.85. At 65 mph you'll be at 2400 rpm and 80 mph you will be at 3000 rpm cruising on interstate. Not that we buy cars like this for gas mileage. Just pointing out its geared aggressively which is great for performance. We paid for 6 gears. Might as well use them all.
🤣 I'm sitting at 1800 rpm at 80 so hearing how many revs some of you are turning on the highway is crazy. I guess it's a little different for a 2 liter vs a 6.2 liter though.
I have a mildly modified ‘22 A90 and absolutely love it. I wouldn’t trade for a manual, but could be tempted if they ever do the targa top that has been teased so many times
David I absolutely love your channel. Been watching for years. But I’m going to have to voice some “constructive criticism” here. Now I admit I don’t fully understand how the TH-cam algorithm works in terms of thumbnails, so I’m sure you get more views based on the way you do things, but the “ruined everything 😭😞” on every other video gets really annoying. We all know that the video is not about something “getting ruined”, in fact it’s always just a great video about the comparison of two cars in the same general class or maybe a following of a certain type of car, so I just don’t get why you do the clickbait thumbnails. Again, no hate at all towards you man. You’ve got some of the best car content videos on TH-cam. Please like if you agree so David will see this.
I love all the "I love this car NOW" comments. I am probably one of the very, very few who really liked the MK5 Supra when it was first released, auto and all. This car is awesome, and now with a manual, it's just that much better.
To be fair they did an amazing job with the 2jz. But why would they make a new engine just for people most likely not like it. On top of that, bmw makes amazing i6’s
@@Ducky_Shorts_ftp I mean, none of my cars are modded beyond brake pads and rubber, but I suppose if you have the money to be buying $55,000 sports cars, you got enough to fuck around with it. Still a reason many who never had the money to buy the car now are upset that they're never going to be able to when used BMWs are such a mess usually.
The auto Supra 100 percent gives you the sense of speed, not sure where the idea that it doesn't comes from. There's not a single person who can shift faster than the ZF 8 speed and it's incredibly quick. If you want a casual enthusiast car, then go for the manual, but if you want a fast car, go for the auto. The pulls you can make in the auto will outperform the manual all day.
@@gw4886 you and most people aren't going to pull 0-60s in 4 seconds lmao there will be lots of manual Supras with 2nd gear syncro grind and messed up clutches because their owners think they are exceptional drivers. Statistics and thousands of TH-cam videos can easily refute your claim.
Well guess it will always be a problem for you.. this will probably be the last internal combustion engine supra. The Supra/Z4 platform was developed by Toyota and BMW to be the Supra and Z4 from the start.. yes it uses all BMW parts and it's manufactured by Third party manufacturer...so Toyota or BMW either one actually manufacture Supra or Z4..it's old news
0:29 - Oh my god that colour. I am not very easily impressed but I am straight up the most impressed I've been in months of news for the manual supra! Let's go!!
Man I will always hate how clunky and laggy modern manuals feel. Sounds to me like it could use a lighter flywheel like many cars these days. Also sounds to me that it cant handle bang shifting really well... youre shifting it quite slowly and it still wasnt dropping rpm as quick as it should for it.
It’s not the flywheel but rather how it’s tuned for emissions. To reduce hydrocarbons of unburnt fuel droplets that form when rapidly closing the throttle body, they have the throttle stay slightly open to keep the air mixing with the fuel so it can combust in the exhaust instead of just fly through unburnt as droplets.
Toyota is awesome at PR. Keeping Supra in the conversation and keeping up the hype. My A91 MT will be here in a few weeks, can’t wait. $10k markup be dammed.
Remember when the engineers told everyone those fake vents in the door and the hood that have no real pass through can easily be removable and are there so we can choose to use it? Lol years later they still have no real use
Nissan z just took the loss on a win they thought they had in the bag 😂 That's what happens when you parts bin a car based off a 20 year old chassis and act like you reinvented it
We’ll see how many zupra’s are around once people actually drive them & put some miles in JDM>BMW & in terms of reliability.. Power is easy to make on either platform with proper tuning & mods.
@@Phantom-drift mk5s been around for like. 3-4 years now and people have been doing just fine with them. Some have already rolled around the 50-90k mile range on them with no issues to speak other than normal maintenance.
I worked for Toyota for 4 Years, and they are so GOD DAMN Stubborn. I Love Toyota, and All. But, they are so STUCK IN THERE WAYS, that they CAN’T SAVE THEMSELVES. The DESPERATELY NEED TO LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMER FAN BASE.
@@hpickettz34 I’ve talked to the Toyota Rep’s before, about this, and A LOT OF THEM AGREED with ME ON THAT. Some of the Toyota Executives, that I got to talk to about this ISSUE seemed to agree with me on that. I told them straight to their face, that I would buy a Ford All Day, and Any Day of the week. They, asked me why. I was brutally honest, and that the Tundra, and said that the Sequoia are Decades behind Ford, and GM. They were quite impressed by, what I said. I worked at one of Toyotas top rated dealership in the Northeast.
Dang BMW is on another level. They throw a 10 year old 3 series engine in a Z4 with a 20 year old transmission and its the greatest Toyota sports car ever made.
“What’s that third pedal Patterson”
@@2006Mercury takeover kids be like “yeah I clutch dump my auto transmission”
@@ThatDudeinBlue That hurt my head just by reading it.
Hey, David! How do we contact you? We sent an email but never got an answer. Could have gone to spam due to we left our email & phone number. I sent another on the way to work now. Same name. Thank You. As for the Supra manual, I think it was long overdue not sure if anyone said anything during the first batch about it being auto. I thought they would have made it one because they do have other cars in manual or you can request them in manual as you can with Honda.
@@ThatDudeinBlue 😅😅😅😅
Ejecto seato cuz
Hearing that Toyota almost immediately began work on a manual transmission in response to customer's asking for it matters more to me than them actually making a manual Supra. It shows that Toyota is paying attention, and is responding to consumer feedback. Now we just need them to ramp up planned production numbers on the GR Corolla and crack down on markups.
Production numbers are set and dealers will be allowed to markup the limited number of cars they get....markup is 2 to 5k for a regular corolla already....GR will 10 to 15k markup easily
Good! Well hear this, Toyota...make us a real Supra!!!
Now only if Acura did the same...listening to their customers
@Chris Martinez GR SIENNA FTW😂😂
@@salahmed2110 they did wait till 2025 , you’ll see
Thank you Nissan.
LMFAO
What did nissan do? Toyota has been developing this trans for a while now.
@@joesisler3411 they offer the new Z with a manual. Toyota probably wouldn’t have done this if Nissan didn’t
@@joesisler3411 Nissan offering the new Z with a standard transmission likely encouraged Toyota to put a standard transmission in the Supra.
@@sm_flys Just got goosebumps thinking about Acura coming out with a Manual NSX.
I remember back in 2020 I went into a toyota dealership at the parts department and they were talking about how they were testing a manual supra on some track. Glad to see its finally here
@@larios86 Lmfao then don't comment
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Thank you Toyota! A new manual car in 2022, you listened to your customers. Auto enthusiasts want manual sport cars.
#SaveTheManuals
Auto enthusiats are not buyers. They just talk on reddit. Sales drives everything, so they did this to compete with the Z. If Toyota really listened to their customers they would of added a turbo to the GR86.
@@ChuukeseStink I'm a car enthusiast and a buyer. While Toyota was making excuses for why the Zupr4 cost so much and didn't have a manual transmission, I bought a brand-new 2020 car with a clutch pedal. Toyota's manual transmission is too little, too late for me to care.
Toyota and all manufacturers don't care about consumers or enthusiasts. They care about profits and shareholders as well as executives. Let's keep it real. They put the manual into the 2023 GR Supra because they are worried about the sales and the Nissan Z having been released and the 2023 BMw M2 coming in April.
I was wondering the other day when we would see reviews about the new Supra in a manual. Thanks David
I’m man perfectionist when it comes to editing 😅 thanks for stopping by!
This is why manuals need to stick around. Great review!!
hehe 'stick' around
A bmw engine shouldn’t be a problem because they’re the kings of modern gas powered inline turbo 6’s 🤨 this is coming from someone that’s worked on and driven everything from corollas to Bentleys and everything in between. I’ve owned a 2J and most people look at those through rose colored glasses if you ask me, technology progresses🤷🏾♂️
Exactly bro, who better to turn to than the modern king of in-line turbo 6’s. The fact that the b58 holds up so well through Toyota’s brutal testing speaks worlds to the smart strategies that toyota’s management & engineering teams have
The partnership on this car never bothered me. Really, a BWM turbo i6 with Toyota reliability is the kind of thing that would normally only exist in a fantasy. So happy they put in a stick in it. Very cool car now.
and the 2JZ weighs like a locomotive engine.
The B58 is one of my favorite engines ever made it’s incredible
@@kleinbottled79 idk about toyota reliability. That 0 weight oil and long oil change intervals is causing premature bearing failure. Use 10w oil and change it every 5,000kms. And ignore the manufacturers reccomendation
Love this car now. it becomes a Toyota more and more with each passing year. I've never owned an auto. manuals are just more fun. i live in the Sierra Nevada mountains and shifting through the curvy mountain roads there is nothing like it. Having a bad day the occasional clutch drop from a stop sign or clutch kick in a corner will fix that...
Absolutely agree with you. I have a blast in my mustang.
modern autos and dct >>>>>> manuals
@@Theedd9991 if have traffic or only straight roads then yeah. But if you drive in the mountains then no. Something super satisfying about nailing the perfect heel-toe downshift coming in to a corner. DCT is still fun, just less fun IMO
Since you live in the mountains and prob away from any dense traffic. Can see why you'll drive a manual.
@@Theedd9991 you don't belong here.
This car is so desirable. Toyota/BMW nailed it. Looks are stunning and performance is very much there
I thinkbit looks good, but man the ft1 was what needed to be released
@@Pathfinding-earth if the ft1 was released nobody would be able ro afford that but rich people lol
@@luxuriousmindset1906 that’s actual bullshit though. It could have been done without BMW. Toyota makes stupid profit margins. They got greedy. It’s that simple
@@Milkman69ner And the FT1 would've been in the 100K+ price range! Ya'lll fail to know and realize this.....plus the FT1 was just a Concept Car (especially made for a Gran Turismo video game for Playstation)had nothing to do with the Supra name.
And for the record, ya'll fuss about the Supra MK5 A90 not being a "fully-toyota-sports-car" yet where was the masses that didn't buy the Supra Mk4 A80, Lexus LC500, Lexus LFA, Lexus RCF, Lexus ISF, ETC?? Which were all "fully Toyota-blooded-sports-cars" which all sold POORLY.
I'm not gonna lie. I really fell in love with this thing. The bmw motor never bothered me, the interior didn't quite fit the car and what it was going for (that infotainment screen always bothered me, regardless of car). But after three or so years it grew on me so much to the point where I really want one in the future. Seeing it in person is so much different. This solidified it, maybe three, four years down the road. Still going to get a gr86/brz in the near future, but after that definitely
It looks so W I D E irl
@@Driver22845 it do be dummy thicc lol
same!
Toyota GR Deparpement tunes the Supra to the way Toyota wants it to perform and that’s what people don’t understand it’s not just a parts bin from bmw Toyota tunes these cars and even with this manual transmission Toyota tuned the manual transmission to their liking also.
Also what I don’t get is BMW’s are good cars so why does it matter? Imagine being mad you’re driving a German sports car.
@@GarretRB FACTS
You can preach facts all you want. Unfortunately the idiots who still say ‘it’s JuSt a BMw’ will not change the way they think.
I absolutely adored it when it was launched and bought a new one last June and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It’s so phenomenal.
@@mtprince09 You stay on it bro. Hope it lasts you a long time.
Do you just straight believe whatever you hear? The manual came in from the European market Granted it’ was on a less hp car but still man grow up
“We’re doing it live!” One quote that will never cease to make me laugh 😂. I wouldn’t be surprised when I’ll see dealerships mark them up for $100k when they hit the lots
20K is what they wanted . so, about 72K here in CA. I was so upset.
@@cherrylanemonroe1082 if someone pays that they better get free oil change of the owners choosing and free maintenance work for life along with tire/wheel replacements!
I think too many reviewers gloss over the fact that this is a sublime smooth strong straight six, as compared to a semi unrefined V6 in the Nissan that doesn’t t like to be redlined. Thanks for pointing that out!.😊
All in all, if that Rev hang could be tuned out, it would be the perfect car
Don't you need that to keep it on boost although I guess it's not good for the clutch
I kinda have the same question that brian is asking. If anyone who knows cars well enough to answer that would be amazing.
@@brianm5753 Just shift faster brother or don't lift like the blackwing
@@RCXDerp When you say shift faster then you're just saying should have gotten the auto. Just shift normally if you want to keep the car for 30 years
"granny shifting, not double clutching like you should"🤣
Glad to hear that you liked the manual and the drive experience! I've been reading the same experience recently! Also, I loved the edit in the beginning!
It’s all about sales strategies…every year they put out a new different version of the supra..so that the sales stays consistent thru out the generation
You were one of the first people I heard amplifying they wind buffeting issue. Buyers need to point it out on their surveys
Thanks for the video. This 100% redeemed Toyota in my eyes is the reason why this car is at the top of my shortlist for my next sports car. Yes everyone is pushing EVs for the future but people can't look past the amazing "attainable" sports cars we have now and all with manuals. We have the Mazda Miata, the Veloster N (for not much longer), the Toyota GR 86 / Subaru BRZ, the Honda Civic Type R, VW Golf R, the Toyota GR Corolla, the Nissan Z, and this Toyota GR Supra. The fact that 3 of these cars are Toyotas is just proof that the leadership at Toyota knows what they need to do to make quality performance cars a reality. I did not even mention the manual variants of the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. Right now we have quite possibly the best affordable, manual sports cars ever made and maybe ever will be made. If people have the ability to buy any of these cars and sleep on them, they will regret it in the future because IMHO, in light of where the car industry seems to be going, these cars have all the makings of future classics. I would not be surprised if supercar owners make their way to a Toyota dealership because of Toyota's amazing lineup, because you can't row your own gears in many supercars with Porsche being the exception.
I only drive classic cars really so I don't have that problem. Like if I was going to get a supra I'd get 1998 model, I even saw a 1989 I think. The price is way to hyped though. But honestly once you try automatic you'd never go back! It's so good! You take your foot off the brake and the car moves forward because it's at the bite point already! I got my first auto and I'm never going back to manual.
@@jhowardsupporter OK. Thanks for sharing. If you think about it, all EVs are automatics in execution so you will be set going forward. I for one am trying to snatch up as many manuals as I can.
The Camaro was released in 1967 and people still can’t spell it properly. 😂
@@cmcz1207 LOL! Thanks. It is an amazing car but unlike the Challenger and the Mustang GM did not do such a good job of updating the style while keeping true to its iconic looks.
I own one now for 3 months. His assessment is very accurate, coming from a 19 S550 (5.0 mustang) and many other sports cars. This is a Fantastic daily or weekend car. The clutch is so nice to my old knees. The car pulls like a I can’t believe a stock sub$60k car does. And if you want some spice you can get a lot for under $5k. The only problem is the stock clutch won’t let you push +600 hp, but I bet 475-490 would be nasty… maybe some day.
I was cross shopping the mustang gt premium and the 3.0 supra as a secondary car. Decided on but still waiting for delivery of my 3.0 premium 6MT that’s about a month away from being delivered.
Hearing some of the reviews on the s650 brings me back to that point where I’m wondering which one should I get.
My question for you is do you miss your 5.0 v8? How did the mustang do in terms of wear and tear?
I test drove the 2.0 supra because I couldn’t find a 3.0 anywhere close and it was really impressive. I’m sure the 3.0 will be even more impressing but does it compare to the v8. I test drove a s550 gt premium with a manual and it’s hard not to get excited about that noise. If you had to choose one to keep forever between the two, which one would you pick?
Lotta suspension and steering tweaks I read for 2023 Supra as well. They keep making it better! Heck the 6 spd in the Mark IV was not Toyota as well, it was also a German tranny in a Getrag and it had great beefy notch feel as well. Now add a sport roof Toyota. This is gonna be a high demand car in manual for sure. Great review! I just subbed to your channel!
Happy Toyota is moving in the right direction, however after seeing the Targa concept from SEMA, I would really appreciate a production model
The body on the supra is growing on me, when it first came out I didn’t like it to much. But now I really like it. Especially with a street hunter full body kit
can we stop to realize david's gr8 choice of into tracks?
really sets da mood for da video, keep pushing 🙏🏻
I love how Toyota listens to their customers. We now have a manual Supra because people kept bugging about it. Same thing with the GR Corolla. Europe got a fun hatch and we wanted it and they gave it to us
I think not only does this car have lots of bmw influence obviously. But I think from now on bmw will have Toyotas influence bleed through in every car they make. From turbo engine tuning, to suspension all the way down to assembly line and manufacturing. Everyone talks about it being a bmw, not nobody ever mentions the fact that the partnership between the companies spans much deeper than delivering nearly complete chassis to Toyota. And you can already see the improvement in bmw cars coming out.
What are u even talking about People been pushing 800whp in B58s since 2015. What improvements in bmws is because of Toyota
@@BMWROYAL wtf does aftermarket support for the b58 have to do with anything I said?
And have you driven anything since n54 cars?
@@dpedd12 yes I have lol. U clearly have never built a b58
@@BMWROYAL there’s a lot more to the two companies relationship than the b58. Is it awesome? Yes. Toyota doesn’t make them, but they do tune their own engines for the Supra. That is part of the deal. And Toyotas b58 is more enjoyable than bmws. Or atleast it was. Toyotas engineering philosophy of iterative improvements constantly is why they have the best engineers in the auto industry and if you think bmw isn’t taking close notes you’re wrong.
Long story short, both companies are making better cars, so what are you even complaining about
@@dpedd12 if any thing your completely wrong everyone says that car drives and feels like a bmw. They are not only taking notes from bmw they are taking parts, chassis, tuning and everything. The only thing the Supra has on the bmws is weight and a better manual
Lovely video David but why are people still complaining about the engine i know the 2JZ is an amazing engine but so is the b58.
The B58 has to be the most reliable BMW engine of the 21st century, although they do get some bad rep for burning oil.
Just the fact that I could buy the supra with a stick now makes it an aspirational vehicle. As soon as the manual supra was revealed, the car seemed to double in appeal in my head rather than get instantly dismissed. Now it's a car I want almost as bad as an Alfa Romeo 4c, and when I finally save up the money to have one, I'll have to choose between those two
Great Video man. I like that Toyota listens to feedback. My two main gripes with this car when it launched was the fact that it only came in auto, and was severely underpowered. Toyota addressed both of those issues. I'd definitely buy one now. I remember seeing it for the first time at the NAIAS in Detroit a few years ago, and I asked the Toyota rep if there would be a manual version. Lol the guy covered his name tag, looked around, and said "we're not supposed to be talking about that."
They didn’t listen. Nissan forced their hands.
Haven’t even gotten a minute into the video yet. Just gotta say EXCELLENT music choice!!! Slippy is one of my absolute favorites!!
@@donatellobg2416 Slippy - Dawn
@@fastmpc Yeah I found it after searching a bit. Thanks anyway man.
I’m on a wait list for a ‘23 GR86. Now that the Supra has a manual, I want it!
You are absolutely correct Dave! It's not always about speed or how fast you get there. It's about how you get there!🤔😃👍🏻
This car being manual now really encourages me to go get a loan and buy one
I have no regrets with my order and excited to get my Supra 🙏🏼
I'm glad you loved it ☺️ I definitely want one more now, especially with the GR86 having all those problems.
What’s great ab Toyota and how they do so well is they listen to their audience not the money but the audience to get the consumer satisfaction to buy their cars. Which is why they are successful in the car market
Making this a manual actually saved this car …. Here comes the aftermarket gods lol
How times flies. I can’t believe this car has been out for 3 years now
Now I'm torn between this, the Z, the GR Corolla and the GR86
It’s a great problem to have nowadays!
Toyota is number one
I honestly thought the GR Corolla was gonna be 40k+ MSRP for the entry level. To see it only be 34-35k is great
@@chrissears5482 60k after mark up
@@robreeto yeah sure at some places. Others will be close to msrp
Loved the intro. The videography is noteworthy, and the music slaps.
The amount of people that think R&D happens overnight is astonishing 😂
Great Move Toyota!! Manuals are hands down the most rewarding to drive.
Best intro of the year!
Right!
He’s been slack on editing the past few years. Suck a good intro!
I have a manual now as well and I completely agree!!!! This would have sat so much better if it had come first. Well done Toyota! Wowwwww love this manual.
Back in the day and at the time living in oregon most of My cars and trucks were stick shifts. Since the 60s the difference between buying a automatic and sticks was a small amount of money and automatics were usually the one more expensive. I have a a-91cf 2022 model and enjoy the car without fixation on getting a stick.after you have had six or seven stick shift cars you may learn to just enjoy the car regardless of transmission
Nissan thank you once again for making other manufacturers compete.
Been watching you for years TDIB, you always review cars from such an enthusiast-centric viewpoint. I appreciate your passion for the automotive, keep making great vids!
Not immediately having a manual option for this was absurd
The manual is crazy once someone tune the rev hang it’s gonna be a demon
Got the Launch edition when it came out and I’m gonna trade it in for this. I need the drama of a manual in my life😂
Locked ecu though. I like having 550 whp lol
If they put a S58 with a manual in it, it will be the greatest car sub-$100k of the 21st century.
I have a 2022, and I really don't know why everyone complains about the visibility in the supra. I've had this car for 9 months now and have put almost 9k miles on it, and I have absolutely zero problems seeing out of it, or turning my head when I need to change lanes. Yes, it did take me about 2 weeks to get used to after coming from my FRS, but I now have absolutely no problems with it. As for the wind buffering problem, it's easily solved with a $150 mod, and can definitely confirm that I can roll both windows all the way down and it's a non issue up to 130mph. After that, I wouldn't recommend having the windows down 😂. I really do wish I knew that a manual version was coming. It was not announced until 5 months after I bought mine.
What's the $150 mod?
They obviously have never driven a current Camaro.
@@KT_One you know what's funny, I randomly thought about that earlier today when I was driving home from work. I was like "how come no one complains about the visibility in the camaro? I've driven one of those and compared to my supra, it's nearly impossible to see out of.
@@MrRandyWat5on the verus engineering anti wind buffering pieces that you stick on just above the mirrors. It works amazingly
You should really try to buy that ride. It would make a great mod series for you channel for everyone who’s looking what to do to their supras.
Faith in auto industry semi-restored! Now if we can just get Toyota to put their own engine into it
Why does it matter whether the motor is From BMW or Toyota?
@@Somchai007 for me it's that BMW and Toyota have different standards of reliability, also price of components/ upgrades
@@japhethbonnema Yea, that makes sense..
Just bought an A91-MT in CU Later Gray a few days ago. Love the car.
From what I have seen on the manual gearing it looks really fun. Even 5th and 6th gears. With that said, I would guess the gas mileage of the manual will take quite a hit over the auto. Only 1 overdrive gear and its a 0.85. At 65 mph you'll be at 2400 rpm and 80 mph you will be at 3000 rpm cruising on interstate. Not that we buy cars like this for gas mileage. Just pointing out its geared aggressively which is great for performance. We paid for 6 gears. Might as well use them all.
my 8th gen Si did 4000 at 90mph which is crazy. ill burn all the gas tho fuckit
@@stlchevy95 my Miata is at 4000 rpm at 75 😂
Lol at 80mph my S2000 is cruising at 4000rpm. So 3000rpm at 80mph is not bad at all.
🤣 I'm sitting at 1800 rpm at 80 so hearing how many revs some of you are turning on the highway is crazy. I guess it's a little different for a 2 liter vs a 6.2 liter though.
@@stlchevy95 gotta love Hondas on the highway. I remember doing 85mph at 5k rpm b16 with a straight pipe. Worst highway trip ever lol
God I love Toyota they're killing it lately
I have a mildly modified ‘22 A90 and absolutely love it. I wouldn’t trade for a manual, but could be tempted if they ever do the targa top that has been teased so many times
SAVE THE MANUALS -Signed a 21' 5.0 Mustang convertible manual owner
I love how the thumbnail of the video is completely different from the title of it 😂
I have one with a manual. A blast to drive. I plan to keep it for good
Now I hope they announce a Targa top
David, u have changed my perspective about the Supra. I am going to test drive it when it comes to my country.
Now I could see myself falling in love with this car.
The mk5 Supra looking like the next car to buy I like more than the z
David I absolutely love your channel. Been watching for years. But I’m going to have to voice some “constructive criticism” here. Now I admit I don’t fully understand how the TH-cam algorithm works in terms of thumbnails, so I’m sure you get more views based on the way you do things, but the “ruined everything 😭😞” on every other video gets really annoying. We all know that the video is not about something “getting ruined”, in fact it’s always just a great video about the comparison of two cars in the same general class or maybe a following of a certain type of car, so I just don’t get why you do the clickbait thumbnails. Again, no hate at all towards you man. You’ve got some of the best car content videos on TH-cam. Please like if you agree so David will see this.
He definitely overuses the crying / angst lol emoji, yeah. Makes it seem like all of the videos are going to be very samey, when they really aren't.
I figured it was the name of a series rather than a specific statement.
I 100% agree, it's so annoying, why will it ruin everything when all your gonna do is praise the car!
For the love of god yes, I’d love to grab one of these up. I’m so happy Toyota listened!
I love all the "I love this car NOW" comments. I am probably one of the very, very few who really liked the MK5 Supra when it was first released, auto and all. This car is awesome, and now with a manual, it's just that much better.
your ability to describe the driving experience is amazing, great video
To be fair they did an amazing job with the 2jz. But why would they make a new engine just for people most likely not like it. On top of that, bmw makes amazing i6’s
The bit is I drive a Toyota because I want it to last forever. BMW isn't known for that, just making expensive fast cars.
@@shanekeene947 that’s true for the most part, but people don’t leave supras stock, so the reliable aspect doesn’t come into play here
@@Ducky_Shorts_ftp I mean, none of my cars are modded beyond brake pads and rubber, but I suppose if you have the money to be buying $55,000 sports cars, you got enough to fuck around with it.
Still a reason many who never had the money to buy the car now are upset that they're never going to be able to when used BMWs are such a mess usually.
For those wondering what is the name of the song in the intro is it's "Slippy - Dawn (feat. London Thor)"
The auto Supra 100 percent gives you the sense of speed, not sure where the idea that it doesn't comes from. There's not a single person who can shift faster than the ZF 8 speed and it's incredibly quick. If you want a casual enthusiast car, then go for the manual, but if you want a fast car, go for the auto. The pulls you can make in the auto will outperform the manual all day.
Way less fun to drive an auto for the majority of folks though. That is what a sports car is for, fun, speed comes second.
The auto ‘is’ faster, but the manual ‘feels’ faster. That’s what matters in the end for most of us.
.3 of sec doesn't transform a car to being "fast". The auto is just quicker by a fraction of a sec, end of story.
I don’t get how most of the car scene today makes the argument that automatics is “faster” but then proceed to slam the car on it’s nuts
@@gw4886 you and most people aren't going to pull 0-60s in 4 seconds lmao there will be lots of manual Supras with 2nd gear syncro grind and messed up clutches because their owners think they are exceptional drivers. Statistics and thousands of TH-cam videos can easily refute your claim.
Just started the video but that interior is on point. They are doing a great job keeping it extremely sporty but very mature and professional looking
Ummmm cuz it's literally a bmw interior...
MK5 Supra > MK4 Supra
B58 > 2JZ
Look what cat dragged in, posibbly the most controversial MK5 Supra owner in the internet
@@h.a.4600 you know it
@@BabaYagaRacing So wrong yet so bold
@@halogod0298 yet to lose to a 2jz in my B58 so nope
@@BabaYagaRacing Yeah, because that’s not anecdotal or anything.
Awesome review. Mine is arriving in 2 weeks. Can’t wait!
I hope the Corvette gets a manual I rather have a mk3 or mk4 Supra tbh
The Automatic is truly amazing thou
all we need now is the sequel to the 2jz 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
I’ve never really “wanted” the new Supra. Now I can say, I WAUN IT
They still have not solved the main problem for JDM loyal. It’s still a BMW!
Well guess it will always be a problem for you.. this will probably be the last internal combustion engine supra.
The Supra/Z4 platform was developed by Toyota and BMW to be the Supra and Z4 from the start.. yes it uses all BMW parts and it's manufactured by Third party manufacturer...so Toyota or BMW either one actually manufacture Supra or Z4..it's old news
0:29 - Oh my god that colour. I am not very easily impressed but I am straight up the most impressed I've been in months of news for the manual supra! Let's go!!
Man I will always hate how clunky and laggy modern manuals feel. Sounds to me like it could use a lighter flywheel like many cars these days. Also sounds to me that it cant handle bang shifting really well... youre shifting it quite slowly and it still wasnt dropping rpm as quick as it should for it.
It’s not the flywheel but rather how it’s tuned for emissions. To reduce hydrocarbons of unburnt fuel droplets that form when rapidly closing the throttle body, they have the throttle stay slightly open to keep the air mixing with the fuel so it can combust in the exhaust instead of just fly through unburnt as droplets.
Toyota is awesome at PR. Keeping Supra in the conversation and keeping up the hype. My A91 MT will be here in a few weeks, can’t wait. $10k markup be dammed.
Remember when the engineers told everyone those fake vents in the door and the hood that have no real pass through can easily be removable and are there so we can choose to use it? Lol years later they still have no real use
I’m on the waiting list for my manual premium cant frigging wait man. Thanks for the review!
Dammit making me wanna go bankrupt😂 lack of a manual was my only problem with the car other than the BMW door chime
Sounds like a supra💯🤘
Nissan z just took the loss on a win they thought they had in the bag 😂
That's what happens when you parts bin a car based off a 20 year old chassis and act like you reinvented it
Yup, the Z is a disaster.
We’ll see how many zupra’s are around once people actually drive them & put some miles in
JDM>BMW & in terms of reliability..
Power is easy to make on either platform with proper tuning & mods.
@@Phantom-drift mk5s been around for like. 3-4 years now and people have been doing just fine with them. Some have already rolled around the 50-90k mile range on them with no issues to speak other than normal maintenance.
@@Phantom-drift you think Nissan has better reliability than BMW? Lol
@@zaspalia when and where did I say they did lol?
I just sold my F80 so now im looking in this direction 😉
I worked for Toyota for 4 Years, and they are so GOD DAMN Stubborn. I Love Toyota, and All. But, they are so STUCK IN THERE WAYS, that they CAN’T SAVE THEMSELVES. The DESPERATELY NEED TO LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMER FAN BASE.
It's Japan, they are stubborn because they are stuck in their protocols
Stuck in their ways seems to work well for them, because they definitely make alot money doing it.
@@hpickettz34 I’ve talked to the Toyota Rep’s before, about this, and A LOT OF THEM AGREED with ME ON THAT. Some of the Toyota Executives, that I got to talk to about this ISSUE seemed to agree with me on that. I told them straight to their face, that I would buy a Ford All Day, and Any Day of the week. They, asked me why. I was brutally honest, and that the Tundra, and said that the Sequoia are Decades behind Ford, and GM. They were quite impressed by, what I said. I worked at one of Toyotas top rated dealership in the Northeast.
This was such a fun video to watch. Great job sir. I look forward to be able to drive one , one day.
Great car, and awesome opening sequence and music!
Now I want this car so badddd
I'm amazed at the ratios. First is like 4.1-something. With that low RPM turbo torque it must be a monster.
Dang BMW is on another level. They throw a 10 year old 3 series engine in a Z4 with a 20 year old transmission and its the greatest Toyota sports car ever made.
My dream affordable garage is now the type r and this thing with a wobbly stick in the middle
This is why i love toyota and supra ❤❤❤
best thing that could happen to the Supra!!Sports cars need a manual transmission
'23 A91 MT
... allocated!
delivery 1 - 2 months💥
This and a sport/targa top would be a dream come true