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- Toyota Supra or Nissan Z?
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0:00 Intro
BAD:
0:51 - The BMW thing
1:26 - The tech
2:07 - Trunk Release
2:26 - Steering wheel
2:45 - The wind noise
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GOOD:
3:23 - The Stick
5:25 - The seats
6:07 - The engine
6:48 - The dynamics
7:41 - The Looks
8:41 - The interior
9:16 - Outro - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I'm a casual fan of this channel, but holy canoli talk about nitpicking. The REAL downsides to this beautiful machine is that there's no spare tire, no center console to store valuable items, poor cupholder placement, rev hang, and a small trunk opening. Next time please focus on flaws that actually negatively affect drivers who own the car, not flaws that only car reviewers notice!
Agree, I love mine. 1 more thing: steering wheel, doesn't feel special, worthy of the car.
@@_J4CK4L_ Totally agree. I HATE the steering wheel. Looks like it belongs in a Camry. :/
Spare tire IS NITPICKING. Seriously, who wants the weight???? Duh.
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Small correction: the F-chassis M140i, M240i, 340i, and 440i came with the B58 and had the option of a stick. However, you're completely correct about the changes Toyota had to make. The F-chassis cars used the pre-technical update B58. The TU included a change from two-part timing chain to a single-part. (To avoid confusion, I'll add that both have 2-row chains). This change in timing setup, due to the timing system being attached to the *back* of the B58, means that a pre-TU manual cannot fit on a TU motor due to its bellhousing. However, the GS6-L50TZ fitted on the Supra has the same gear ratios as the GS6-45BZ fitted to pre-TU B58s. This likely means the S6-L50 uses the gears and guts from the S6-45, fitted to the S6-L40 case.
I have a 2023 A91 6MT. I can live with the negatives. Such a fun car in manual.
I ll change steering wheel, its hard and thin
Agreed!
Great video. Good quality and words. I subscribed. More than that, i bought one the next day.
wow, awesome!
Great video! Amazing car. Greetings from Mex :)
I've been shopping C6/C7 Corvettes but my main issue with those is I'm too tall in the torso to fit comfortably in those cars. I tried one of these on an at auto show last week assuming I'd have the same problem, but I fit in that car perfectly. It's on my list now.
I see part of this was filmed at Road America. My favorite place to go several times in the summer. The car looks fun too with a manual transmission.
The '23 model look is perfect. They really got it right with the wheels this year!
nice video bro. i couldn't agree more about the bmw/toyota mix is do good. keep it up
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I'm late to the party on the MK5 but it's grown on me, especially since the manual came along. I'll admit I was jaded at first because I come from a MK3 and 4 background. I've come around and I'm considering buying one of these.
I really don't understand why people hate the BMW thing? Your getting BMW build quality with Toyota reliability and Japanese styling. To me it's the perfect mesh... But I also own a BMW and love their platforms. I also own a 350z and C5 Corvette. I'm always torn as to which is the best the 335i or the 350z. Seems like the supra is the perfect mix of eastern and western design philosophy. Can't wait to get mine in a 6 speed
"Your getting BMW build quality with Toyota reliability and Japanese styling."
Thats exactly the problem. You ever own a BMW with over 100,000 miles on it? You get to play Whack-A-Mole with the error codes. I've owned both Toyota and BMW and I will take the Toyota build quality over BMW build quality any day of the week. Granted, BMWs due tend to look better.
@@chad5617 I've owned a 2009 335i for the past 7 years and yes it has over 100k miles on it its also FBO and has been making 450-500rwhp for that time too. The key to BMW ownership it's preventive maintenance for example the water pump needs to be changed ever 50k miles
@@AllThingsFlightSim replacing a water pump at 50K miles is NOT maintenance Goober---it's a repair. And plan on spending another $5K on repairs as you go along.....gaskets, sensors. codes. steering rack, electrics.........go peddle your bull somewhere else.
I’ve owned many high performance BMW cars and complete junk . If you own brand new for 3 years it’s ok but after that get rid of it as engine will fail due to all the plastic junk they use ! Buy a Lexus and good for 10 years of no problems
@@LCculater ever heard of the newer bmws today? They’re at the top reliability for a reason. Go and search it.
You said bmw doesn’t have a stick with the b58 which you are incorrect. Bmw 340i from 16-18 came with manual option and those come with b58s
Was looking for this
M240i first gen also
Busted and or enlightened him
Surprised that you did not mention the zonk regarding the wheels--no lugs. They attach kind of weird or used to anyway. Are they still doing this?
What a beautiful color! Don’t care for the wheels, somehow the design make them look small compared to last year's. Would love to trade mine in for a stick. An interesting fact on the automatic which frustrates me a couple times a week, the ZF trans. cannot be put into neutral with the engine shut off. No one can give me the reason why. You literally have to Jack it up, crawl under, and use a special tool on the trans. Frustrating when I want to move it only a foot or two in my garage without starting it to access something.😮
well that'd be annoying if you cant start it up for whatever reason.
Picked up a CU Later A91 in October and love it - the only thing that really bothers my is the lack of Android Auto
Damn thats bull shit
There isn't an aftermarket?
@@smoggrog5155 Shouldn't have to turn to the aftermarket to get support for half of all mobile users. It's a fair complaint at the 60k price point.
I don’t think the hype has even remotely gone away for these cars. I have been on a dealer list for literally a year and haven’t been able to get one yet. Also, a lot of the autos and manual 2023 Supras I see are marked up about 10k nationwide. Some are listed at msrp, but not all.
I feel like you need a new dealer.
@@flea4061 could be. They’ve sold a few Supras without notifying me..but the other dealers in the area aren’t much better.
Another local dealer offered me a black 6speed at 10k over msrp. Ripoff. Might have to start looking out of state.
That's odd. 23 models I can see being priced up but over here in Oregon some Supras have been sitting on the lot for months now. They have a 21 premium priced for 51k with 8k and no one is still buying it.
@@Barbwire710 Definitely need a new dealer lmao
@@Anthony-hd3yl Automatic. That's entirely the reason. The ZF is great, but with the 6 speed option available, I've seen more 21's and 22's on the market than ever before.
Getting in an out of mine is always an event!. Once I drive it down the street, it makes the drama worth it.
Thanks for the content. I pick up my 2024 Supra next week.
Congrats!
Actually the M240i has a manual transmission option in some markets. So it’s not the first time the B58 has had a manual.
Dude I just bought a 2023 Z and boy you're not kidding about the clutch feeling weird in first and second, it catches wayyy to high in my opinion but I also got my performance Z after tax for what this thing starts at so it really does make it hard to compare to compare the two
Glad I’m not crazy about the clutch!
Good review, shame about those yuk Amber reflectors on front fenders, must be US law perhaps.
Also it looks good in any color. I would probably do white
The b58 came with a manual gearbox on the 1 series m140i
And the M240i beginning in 2017
It looks stunning. Always has. I want one!
As a male who is 5'6'', I feel like this car is perfect for me, went and looked at a red automatic not too while ago, hope to buy one someday
5'5", the car feels perfect for me. I've got 15k miles on my 2022 AT, just wish I had a manual.
That blue is fire
I do love how Toyota owners look down on bmw. Like it's a slight disappointment this is a bmw. BMW sitting around thinking that they were high-end sports luxury.
One more negative - no Android Auto.
Yeah a weird omission
Bow down to our Apple Overlords (I am paid off by Apple just like Toyota)
Early versions of the supra in australia didn’t get Apple car play even.
Is there apple car?
Said that in the video
While I agree overall (though also wish Toyota did more with the powertrain, they obviously can make legendary engines etc) I do prefer Lexus interiors, for instance, so I think Toyota could have done their own on that and done better. But hey, the exterior is dope (though again, the concept was better in the front fenders) and better a mish-mash Supra than no Supra lol
I’ve only driven the auto slowly around a lot but the level of difficulty for getting in was a huge negative imo (and i have an na miata). Also the fact it’s a BMW when one of the main reason I like Toyota is their reliability. We had a brand new one come in losing a ton of oil. This was in 2020 though so maybe theyve resolved these issues.
Honestly, I’d rather get a GR86 (yes ik the hypocrisy cause it’s a subie). If you have money for a 3.0L supra, $30k price means more money for track days, tires, mods etc… Its slower sure but I bet the boxer motor will be less problematic in the long run. Plus slow car fast builds driver mod. The Supra would be more of an advanced drivers car.
I wonder how the clutch and transmission hold up when modifying the car. REALLY want to get a manual, but I also will be doing a decent amount of mods so that'll play a factor
currently no clutch replacement options, from factory or aftermarket. people that have modified these have already seen clutch slip at 450+hp. Even some people with stock cars have clutch slippin a bit which is a issue toyota isn't even acknowledging. I would say if you want to modify it then just go automatic or wait till new clutch options come out.
@@whosDori good info 👍🏼 I'll keep an eye on the mod updates to the manual - but may just have to go with the auto if my patience runs out haha
This car is so damn cool. I was at my wits end whether to buy a sports car, or build a home theater. I chose the latter. But damn, this car is amazing.
cant drive a theater...but you could build a racing sim and that might be a good alternative lol
DEFINETELY buy the car.. live life bro, dont sit on your butt watching movies all day
@@B_kiz Nah, cars are an expense, not an investment. I decided to buy a better house, and to make it nice. I'm happy with my fiesta ST. That's enough for me.
And one sits on their butt in a car anyway.
Bad Move
@@conqueringlion420 Yeah, I should have invested in something that loses value the second I drive it, as compared to something that can last me a lifetime.
I guess you have a point.
yea i love the m sport steering wheel
Pretty sure that's iDrive 6, not 7; the latter actually has android auto
BMW only implemented Free Apple Carplay with iDrive 8 & Android Auto in itself was only implemented with iDrive 8.
Dude, where are you getting your info from?? I went from an 09 135i to a 2017 M2401 that had a B58 with a 6 speed manual.. At least pin a post saying that info was incorrect.
This is a fantastic car it seems. Which ones if more fun on the backroads, this, C8 or 86?
it's hard to argue against the C8 anywhere, the 86 is a beautifully balanced car that really has helped me get better as a driver but ultimately lacks power so you'll feel like oyu've outgrown it rather quickly, the Supra is just brilliant pretty much everywhere - if you don't have C8 money the Supra is really great
@@dwnshft Beautiful comment (and video). I still struggle with the C8 vs A90 decision. Not so much based on financials, but for the over popularity of Corvettes in general. The Mk5 feels far more unique, despite the power disadvantage but now, the manual. If the 23' C8 had a stick option, the comparison would be far more difficult. Cheers.
@@bradnc1988 I have only come across 1 Mk5 here in Michigan, whereas I have seen nearly 2 dozen C8 Corvettes within the past 15 months. Supra looks so unique on public roads
Tempting . We just got my wife a /M240 with the same motor last year. It’s pretty awesome, even in that heavy boat of a car.
and now I want a Supra 6MT for myself!
that m240 is SUCH a good car!
This car is fantastic
I hate the double bubble. Its what puts the Mx5 RF look better to me.
The attention and the hype isn’t gone. Go try to buy a manual transmission Supra right now
I think people are more disappointed at not getting a Mk4 (2.0) that's 100% Japanese. Toyota simply didn't have an inline-6 but the choice from BMW seems to be a good one. I would drive the Supra in a heartbeat but I have a good coupe
yeah i get the arguments people make against it not being a Toyota - it isn't really. But to me I'm judging the car, not on the past, but what is the best they could have done in today's market and I think that's what they delivered
I could be wrong, but doesn’t their Lexus division have a few V6 engines that they could’ve utilized for this car?? isn’t that what Nissan did by using the engine off of their Infiniti Q 60 for their new Z Car? That would have solved the issue of it being an all Japanese car.
@@titomatias1576 I'm not 100% sure but I think the inline-6 was a criteria.
The B58 is a great engine, I hope it stands the test of time
@@titomatias1576 they have some V6’s but they suck for performance.
@@titomatias1576 I'm pretty sure Toyota wanted to stick with the inline 6 heritage
Wonder who greenlighted the steering wheel design/decision?
I am only buying this car because it is a BMW. I love Toyota but they couldn't have made this car this good. The B58 is a master piece. That's my opinion.
It is a great engine. BMW makes the best IC engines on the planet.
The original m240 came with stick and the b58
correct, as well as the M340i before the G80 generation - i misspoke and meant to say in current generations
@Downshift The B58 with a 6speed manual never left in some models. You simply got bad info.
Recently rented a 2022 on touro and I gotta say its more comfy than a luxury compact sedan. It's so comfy and stable that you really can't enjoy the car. The car felt so digital and electronically enhanced that I couldn't see myself enjoying this car more than my Boxster. What a great package for under $60k and a future classic for sure.
Interesting.. You're the first person I've seen that said this. What year is your Boxster? I've got a 987.1 Cayman S, but am intrigued by the Supra.. Im guessing it wont feel as analog as pre-2013 P-cars if you're saying it feels very digital (I had the same thoughts about the FK8 CTR after I bought it.. Only had it for a year because of the 'digitalness')..
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Mazda GR Corolla, Subaru GR86, BMW GR Supra lol. I am guessing the future GR MR2 will be made by Lotus😂😂😂
its not iDrive 7, its only iDrive 6!!!!!! which is very old already, there is nothing wrong with the iDrive6 its just that it doesn't have lots of features and almost nothing is customizable
GR SUPRA IS A EXCELLENT SPORTS CAR .1 CAYMAN 2.BOXSTER .3.CORVETTE 4.M2 5.GR SUPRA .Z IS A EXCELLENT SPORTS CAR AS WELL.
this guy gets it - Juts because 1 car is good doesnt mean other cars aren't! We have LOTS of great cars on sale today
@@dwnshft agreed .👍
I dont get the hate for the mkv supra, i guess people are just salty they dont get a 2jz to stick a massive turbo in it off the bat.
Want.
i will wait for the targa top
that would be sick!
literally every sports car has wind buffeting, i didn’t get a sports car to whine about a bit of wind noise but that’s just me.
Excellent review I love my GR Supra. I’m proud that it’s a BMW
I just love the car overall. It was my first ever car and I’m 21.
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@@CarlosSanchez-ev3bn I know you do, that’s why you commented. Have a good day pal.
Seems like his mom worked a lot for it.
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You are wrong. It’s not a BMW chassis. The Z4 and Supra was built on totally different chassis. Due to Germany laws, BMW couldn’t share all products with Toyota. Toyota designed their chassis and body in Japan while bmw did theirs in Germany. If you watch the video on how the MK5 started you’ll see they are more different than what people think.
The reason people don't like that it's BMW instead of Toyota is because Toyota is known for reliability. BMWs however are known for expensive repair costs... More of a rich person car than a sports car for the average person.
60K??? try 70K here in south Fl meanwhile i got my 2020 gr supra for 44K :)
My Supra's license plate is "NCE BMW" for the express purpose of dealing with the drivel. The car already made the joke, let's move on.
Bless you
Exactly 💯
I’m convinced this is BMW’s new M car with a Toyota badge.
Imo. The tech in the Supra isn’t that bad. Assuming majority of people are coming from Toyota tech. Which is hella dated. But you don’t get all
The features unless you go premium.
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The thing is the new Supra is faster, and cheaper than the MKIV was when new. It just wasn't in the first Fast and Furious lol
And this thing costs $12,000 less than the equivalent Z4.
I really like the exterior. But when you get in, you are greeted with that ugly truck looking steering wheel and that big round center and logo. A supra badge would be nicer. The digital cluster looks so cheap looking and the center info display need to be wider. An optional xdrive AWD would be nice also. I don't mind people saying it's a BMW, that would be a compliment for me if I own one. But not the other way around. Remember Lutos with an Izuzu badge on their engine? That was a letdown. Used to drive stick when I was younger, and it was fun. I will stick to automatic and the four banger. 6 cylinder if they come out with AWD. That is if I'm going to buy one.
Thanks for sharing. Overall, it's a good-looking car with a powerful engine to match it.
Thick steering wheels are just compensation for no steering feel.
They had to have the height "an inch" -- because they want you to 'upgrade' to the carbon fiber wheels -- and they're awesome; it drops an inch, is lighter, tighter, and even faster.
Let me hear you say ... upgrade!
Hehehe he said aluminum reaming
I thought the M2 had a manual transmission attached to the b58 liar.
M2 never had b58 under the hood and the current one is with s58. F87 was with either n55 or s55 depending on which version it is
it has iDrive 6 not 7
You’re right
NICE CAR BUT I WILL PICK DARK HORSE
More looks like iDrive 6
its iDrive 6 not 7
It just needs a manual e brake
It is literally a Corolla steering wheel
People make comments about it being a bmw because heritage is important. It’s not a Supra, it’s a bmw Z6+
Nobody gives a crap-----its better than paying $70K for the BMW version.
Yet people continuously give Porsche shit for the 911 being the same car for decades.
People being dissapointed that it's basically a rebranded BMW shouldn't be dismissed like that. Sure it's a great car, but when you're after a Supra, you're after a Toyota sportscar, with the Toyota design et reliability, which it seems you're not getting with this car.
I think the worry is more reliability. Toyota is known for it. BMW is not.
The people that right it off never would buy it and can’t afford it lmao
BULLCRAP INFO...Toyota NEVER increased the horsepower--it was always 382 horsepower, same as BMW......they just rated it different the first year.
Mixed feelings on the car...not to be that guy but at the end of the day it is a BMW. Don't get me wrong, it's a very impressive and fun looking car, I'm glad that the Supra was finally brought back to the Toyota lineup, especially in manual form. The only problem I have with it is that BMW make cars that have a reputation for being great for a while, but after 5 or so years of wear and tear a ton of problems surface and the price of fixing the car is more than just buying a new car.
Shout out bmw
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I'll take my gtr any day....
The whole complaining about it being a BMW is so stupid. Why is it a bad thing? If anything being a BMW makes it even better in every way
It’s a BMW wearing a Supra 👔. I love Supra but not BMW. I’ll wait until the real Supra comes out. Made in Japan, baby….
BMWupra.
6th worse. I cant afford one
Its serendipitous because the B58 is essentially the modern day 2JZ
Now If only it had a SUNROOF, Targa Top, T Top ANYTHING I want my Air and will pay good $$$$ for it
C'mon, no one with half a brain really thinks that over the long run, this will be as bulletproof as a Toyota/Lexus. Let's get THAT out of the way, immediately.
If you're going to daily drive this car and pile on the miles, consider selling it before it 60,000 miles or 6 years.
Now about the looks...ah, no. You can get a FAR better looking Litus Emira for about $40k more. It has a Toyota engine and transmission and the suspension and steering feel are two steps above any Supra.
If you can afford to buy this car, you’re probably own a apple phone. ❤❤
Lol could be 😂🤷♂️
haha not quite true I like androids and I'm getting one soon. Guess I'll have to switch over now though, sigh.
I think what Dennis is trying to say is that since Apple users on average are more educated and wealthier than android users so therefore are more likely to be able to afford the car so BMW will just cater to them.
No
@@Thelastkeyboardwarrior I bought an iPhone for $160 to use in the car, as opposed to my $1800 main Android phone lol your assessment of Android vs. Apple user is invalid.
its a bmw with toyota standards
Toyota now builds a better BMW than BMW does.
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Don't be delusional. The entire M line eats the Supra.
Next generation Ls swap 😂.
They designed the MK5 after the 4th gen Honda Prelude widebody kit. The Prelude and Supra has that V shape hood bulge. I don't like the info screen above the dash, hate electric parking brake, and I hate the front nose and hood bulge, I hate the ducktail spoiler. I would rather buy a new Miata. Horsepower is over rated these days. A sports car needs to weigh under 3000 pounds so it will stop quicker. A F1 car is under 1800 pounds with the largest brakes that fit. A F1 isn't about horsepower, but power to weight. A lighter car takes corners faster than a heavier car. A RWD Porsche is 2800 pounds with 600hp 6 cylinder turbo pump gas, and the Z and Supra can't hang with it at all. The Miata is faster in corners than the Supra.
No new Porsche is 2800 pounds
Opinion, another opinion, and more brand bias. We get it. However your numericals are far off, and no realistic car enthusaist could compare the A90 to a Miata. Worlds apart in power and handling. Different demographics, and an entirely different price point.
a RWD Porsche that's 2800lbs doesn't exist from factory and obviously with 600hp, the Z and the Supra, which are both making less than 400 to the wheel, wouldn't be able to hang. Porsche is known for making exceptional pieces of machinery that beat almost everything around the track. nevermind the fact you just compared the mx5 to the Supra, which is probably not faster in the corners. Most people don't track day their car anyway and having the ability to push upwards of 600 or 700whp on stock internals in the b58 is enticing enough for most enthusiasts.
BMW Engine? Already a Problem car.
I’m sure the supra has great performance and all, but I just couldn’t imagine myself driving around in a car that looks like Barbara Streisand’s nose on wheels.
Why the hell do you want to push a clutch lever then shift gear, then release the clutch, when the car does all of that for you and much faster and smoother ! ! !
cuz it's fun
Cause it's not soulless like an automatic lol
If you don’t see this car as a bmw you are not a car guy you just an amateur
👍🏾
After driven a friend of mines Supra and seen countless Supras, honestly in my opinion I like how it looks when it first came out. BUT, of course I have to say (and I won’t be the last to say this) I don’t like the fact that it has a BMW power train and BMW interior. Call it what you want. Say whatever you want. I don’t really care how fast it is, how easily it can make power, or if it’s two car companies working together, but it just doesn’t stick to its roots. The car doesn’t speak for its name. Sure it handles great. If I wanted a car with a BMW power train and interior, I’d get a BMW. Maybe an M2 or M3. Plain and simple. After driving one, i don’t feel like I’m driving a Japanese car. I feel like I’m in a high class luxury car lol then when I get out of the car and look at it, I’m like “wow, I was driving a Supra? Didn’t feel like it.”
I kind of agree, it’s a bit lame they did a partnership for such an iconic car. Especially considering the have the expertise to build one ffs. They race in NASCAR.
Lol Andy if you ever driven one you know it drives like a Toyota although it's bmw parts.
I agree. I daily mine and driving it in normal mode makes it feel like any other car. Materials in the interior are good for the most part and it's comfortable, but I do agree. I forget I'm driving a Supra sometimes until I get out.
@@IanTheEarlobe sure they have the expertise but not the money. Toyota can’t afford to make and sell a Supra especially one that’ll cost 6 figures.
@@IanTheEarlobe the Supra would of cost 300k if Toyota designed a new engine