The Dacian Language, and Romania's pre-roman Kingdom
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- Dacian is an extinct language, generally believed to be Indo-European, that was spoken in the Carpathian region in antiquity. In this video we will explore the world of Dacia, the rise of this ancient language and what caused its fall, as well as looking at what some of what has survived and comparing this language to those past and present.
00:00 Beginning
02:14 Where Was it?
03:41 A Brief History
06:57 What do we have of it?
10:51 Relationships
14:36 Modern Languages
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I've been away from my home country for over two decades, but as a native Romanian with questions about my language, I sincerely appreciate the efforts you've made for this video. I'm impressed and thankful.
The kindest comment I've had so far today.
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Dacian brothers,respect & much love from Albania 🇹🇩🇦🇱
160 dacian words are STILL in use in romanian language nowadays, and this is a prove that dacians were our ancestors
@@dand7763 Of course, respect to you
Greetingsto you bro🤝🏻 🇷🇴 🇦🇱
@@larisaa2332 😘
@@ylliriaalbania326 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanian_words_of_possible_pre-Roman_origin
Hello from Romania! Your name tells me that you are Welsh. I appreciate and listen to some traditional songs in your language. Plenty respect towards you and thank you for teaching us more about ourselves!
Bună ziua! You are welcome, from Wales.
My father's surname is Pendrys, which is Welsh, but I took my matriarchal surname from my grandmother's line because I never knew my father. I'm here looking for the origins of the Wallachian Basarab dynasty and the tribe of Dan 😉
@@danielledegeorge2129 Basarab I won a great victory at the battle of Posada in the year 1330, which preserved Wallachian independence from Hungary and secured him well enough to found a dynasty.
@@BenLlywelyn thank you very much sir! I do believe that somehow everything you're talking about connects to the biblical tribe of Dan. Do you know where Basarab I originally came from? I'm also interested in the Order of the Dragon, which was modeled from the original Order of Saint George. Of course I'm interested because I'm "of George" lol. Your video on the word Wales being all over Europe is very interesting!
@@danielledegeorge2129 He was a Balkan Vlach. Maybe southern Romania, Serbia or northeast Greece. We don't know.
Hello there. As a person currently studying Dacian, it is not about the lack of resources we have studying it, it's about how many people are actually working on it. We have many place names where we can trace words back to, as linguists did with names. There is a big list of words that are Dacian, which are extracted from other languages, such as baltic, through comparison by a source. Though, the most common way of figuring out words from Dacian are by looking at names, places, plant names, etc. For instance, we have King Decebal, balas / balus meaning strong. Through linguistic science, we are able to put off multiple sentences. I myself have done some, but i can not assure they are 100% accuarate, as i do not know the correct wording in Dacian, nor do i know it's grammar properly, as these things are very hard to trace. Overall, Dacian is a very interesting language, which is sadly not being studied on. I believe if we were to study it properly, we would be able to get a moderate portion of it back, as we have many sources to get it from. We could trace it from Thracian, which it's sort of it's sister language, the baltic languages, which show to have significant Dacian influence as shown by words. We can also trace it to other indo-european languages of the past.
P.S: You did a great work on the video! You should, if you can, dwell up into it a bit some more. As a Romanian, i love learning about Dacia and the Dacians in general. Much appreciated!
Multumesc. I appreciate that. There is a lot to learn before I can make more Dacian videos, but I would like to.
Multumesc! Thank you for choosing this rarely approached subject. Dacians shurely made a great impression on the great Roman Empire since Rome is full of impressive statues of Dacian worriors, in fact the ONLY statues representing foreign warriors. There is even a column, Traian's Column, depicting in detail the Empire's war with the Dacians, again a unique case despite the countless wars waged by Rome.
Hello, I'm grateful for the video and also this comment, as both are specifying there are common words with north lituanian, I'm guessing you are referring to the samogitian pre lithuanian culture. I'm romanian and my girlfriend is lithuanian, and I'm curious of the common or similar words between the two languages or past ancestral links, as it's not specified any examples in the video. Thank you!
Why does balus mean strong? What real university has Dacian language studies?
I am very skeptical a guy called Dacia52 knows what study means or even Dacian study. If you study neo-nazi blogs or et
nationalist works, it doesn't mean studying. You actually have to be a top linguist and you need to know and understand at least all Romanian dialects, some Baltic dialects, some Ukrainian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Polish, Slovakian, Serbian, Greek to start your work.
Finding a language called Dacian from a Latin language with an uncertain origin and huge influences from many language groups is an almost impossible task for a group of top linguists, not a single guy.
Try not to study Romanian folkish nationalism ispired by the German Nationalism because most of the works are exactly that.
@@VasileIuga
A reply to your comment based on pure hatred and a TOTAL lack of applied knowledge would be pointless and useless. However, even for someone clueless on the issue, the fact that the mighty Roman Empire granted EXCLUSIVELY to the Dacian people/warriors/kingdom the honor to be represented with statues and monuments in Rome SHOULD normally, logically mean something... WHY would Rome consider ONLY the Dacians of ALL the countless number of peoples/kingdoms the Empire had fought with deserve SUCH HONOR??? Unless, of course, that someone is driven to make stupid comments by obscure, dirty reasons... Evidently, the POINT is, HOW can anyone think, let alone try to argue, that such a population/kingdom/king (Decebal) had NO developed language?!?!?!??
As a Romanian what really bums me out is the fact that the Dacians and even later ancestors of ours didn’t bother to write stuff down. We have absolutely incredible knowledge and details about Romans and Greeks because they wrote things down.
Writing the history and other knowledges down required extensive resources, and years of focus in various fields. Those beyond the Mediterranean simply did not have the energy yet to spend on these things. And then the ability came they had to focus on fighting instead.
@@BenLlywelyn That’s a great explanation. I thought they just weren’t as… intellectual.
Poate scriau mult dar doar pe... scoarta de copac sau papirusuri.
Grecii au scris despre ei " Dacii nu vor sa scrie nimic, susținând ca scrisul omoară amintirea."
The military unit that left the most enduring legacy at Birdoswald were the Dacians, who travelled with the Roman army from modern-day Romania. They carved symbols from their homeland into the fort walls and worshipped local deities as well as Roman gods.
Several videos could be made.
Birdoswald is awesome material I been reading a lot about it as my grandparents are Frisian from Friesland and they told me their grandparents told them that their grandparents told them of a family legend that our ancestors fought side by side with the Dacians at Birdoswald.Some Dutch and Romanian people today might be walking around with Frisian and Dacian DNA, perhaps?
@@user-pl4cw8yx7s it is possible. No one studied Dacian history outside their territory , even if there are few proofs they fought for Roman Empire in Britain and Africa. If you read how the Dacians look back then , Nordic people are more closely too their description then today Romanian : tall, blond , blue eyes .
Thank you for this. As a Transylvanian native, I’m very interested in the Celtic presence in Transylvania. If you make such a video, I’ll definitely watch it.
That is good of you to say. And I will make note. I don't know when I will make it is going on the list for after this Welsh History series I am doing.
@@BenLlywelyn I also find it intriguing that my DNA has 2% Welsh in it. Can’t figure our why. Maybe the Celts of old time? Or some mercenaries who came to the Romanian territory to fight alongside Michael the Brave? Who knows.
there are memes about vikings once ruling the whole world. Celts were also present all over the place until they were not anymore.
Transilvanian native ha a ha where was your great grandperesnts born??????????? somewere in valachia
as a romanian expert in history i want to say that dacian wasnt celtic
Dacian is still present in every day language between romanians in those words that even italians can't understand. I remember one Italian guy say that he couldn't understand romanians speak amongst themselves, and yet romanians understood most of the Italian language as it was spoken.
Those words from "unknown " etymology , are the dacian words that romanians are still using until this day.
Words like : copil, moş, brânză, copac, pădure, cobor, a zgâria, aşchie, apus, ceață,etc.
Such beautiful and ancient words.
🤣cobor Meaning ?
@@peter-df6wl descend, going down. Its the present tense first person form.
Eu cobor scările. I go down the stairs.
Or you can say "Cobor scările" since because of its present tense form the pronoun "I" is implied.
@@vbmb thanks
@@vbmb copil has uncertain etymology. Mos could come from "annosus"(full of years), branza is likely to come from "brandeum", plural "brandea" which respects the laws of phonetical change in romanian and corresponds semantically because brandea ( a kind of cloth) was used to hold the cheese ( many cheese names come from the name of their container ex: burduf). copac is uncertain. padure comes from "paludem"(swamp) with methathesis resulting in padule(intervocalic l becomes r in romanian words, padule as a word exists in dislects in tuscany and sardinia). cobor is most likely from slavic( it evolved from pogori => po gora ).zgaria is from latin "scaber"( scab) verb "scaberare"(intervocalic b disappears in all words scaberare => scareare => zgariere => zgaria). aschie is 100% latin "astula" => "ascla" it exists in italian too "aschia". apus is just the participle of "a apune" coming from latin "apponere". ceata(fog) comes from latin "caecia" (blindness)
I discovered im like half romanian so im learning more about the country. It has facinating history.
Your presence is very soft and calming. 🙏
Thank you. I hope In can calm a troubled word, and turn a turning globe to learn more about our wonderful ancestries - like your Romanian.
@@BenLlywelyn indeed!
In old romanian fairytales, dragons are refered to as "Zmeu" in stead of the present adopted romanian term "Dragon", but if you research on google you will find that this strage word "Zmeu" is dragon.
Also I forgot to mention that the present meaning of the word "zmeu", usually spelled in lowercase, means kyte, probably because it flies like a dragon in the sky.
Kite dragon. Nice.
Zmeul zmeilor, the son of Muma Pădurii (Mother of the Forest), a fantastic creature with clear anthropomorphic traits: it is humanoid and has legs, arms, can ride a horse and has the desire to marry young girls, but can change form, spit fire. Then there is the balaur, a many headed dragon, with wings.
Zmeu eu un humanoid solzos cu aripi care se poate transformation in balaur Induci lumea in eroare.
@Spider Bird related with earth soil and understand zemja
Dragon is not instead of zmeu.
Some say that Thracians and Dacians/Getae are related. Herodotus: the Getae were "the noblest as well as the most just of all the Thracian tribes". Congratulations on the professional approach to this subject!
There is an interesting and strange cultural link between Romanian and British folk culture: the Morris dance is very similar to the Romanian "Calusarii" dance.
Morris dancing could come from many sources. My guess it is Saxon in origin, but I do not have much of a basis for this.
@@BenLlywelyn Morris dancing is Celtic, it was a ritual worrior's dance dedicated to Epona. In Vlach/Romanian folklore it's called "Călușari" or "Căluș" depending on the region. And "cal" in Romanian means horse, strenghtening the ties to Epona.
@@BenLlywelyn According to historians and ethnographers, "Călușul" is a very old tradition preserved in Romania before the penetration of Christianity into the Balkans and the Romanization of Dacia. It is a tradition with a pagan ritual, which survived Christianity and exists in similar forms in Bulgaria and Serbia, and somewhat explainably in the British Isles, taking into account the fact that the Celts lived for hundreds of years alongside the Dacians.
the issue with Dacian is that it was probably a direct predecessor of Latin/Romanian or at least brother language of Latin with few different words.... This can explain quick "romanization" of Dacian and Tracian population
Gaulish was clearly Celtic, but closer to the Latin branch of Indo-European, and this happened there. So it is possible.
Any proof for this?
@@petibatyonaah, there's a special group here claiming rights upon Latin.
@@petibatyo what proof do you need besides todays existing languages? There are pockets of "Dacians/Tracians" all over the Carphatian mountains range, not changing their ways and language for 1000s of years. we started mixing with modern Serbian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Turkish,Hungarian, Croatian, Bosinan, Montenegro,Greece population just 40 - 50 years ago.
@@petibatyo the writings of Ovid who was banished from Rome, are proof that the language was similar to the Latin of that time.
Respect from Romania !!!
Well done !!!
Appreciated fellow.
Noi nu suntem daci
@@InAeternumRomaMater tu nu ești. Noi restul, suntem.
@@stevenrussellpascal Poate dacă tu ai probleme mintale.
Rom:"Tu" de la latină "tū"
Rom:"nu" de la latină "nōn"
Rom: "Ești" de la latină "ēscō"
Rom: "Noi" de la latină "nōs"
Rom: "restul" de la franceză "reste" și tot de la latină restāre
Rom: "suntem" de la latină sum (Eu sunt) și de la "sunt" (ei sunt)
Tot ce ai folosit tu acolo vine de la limba latină, care strămoșii noștri romani o vorbeau. Dece vine numele nostru "Români" din latină "Rōmānī" unde înseamnă Roman, și nu un nume dacic ca exemplu "Geți" sau "Bastarnai"?
Eu osă rămân un român, tu și "ceilalți" puteți să fiți daci, dar plecați din țara mea România, că nu este al dacilor dar al românilor care sunt latini!
I didn't see this video coming, it was a pleasure. Salve from Bukarest, and yes, Romanian language still preserve some Dacian words, about 200 in names, places, plants and rivers. For example: brusture, abur, Bucegi, Carpați, copac, doină, viscol and so on.
Some of them are very similar with Albanian and Lithuanian, which is strange and interesting at the same time, because cannot be found in others languages.
Thank you. Before Slavs came through Poland and down through Serbia there would have been a wide arch of languages from Albanian to Lithuanian which formed some kind of continuum to which Dacian appears to have belonged. Prussian held out longer up near the Baltic, as did something closer to Latin and Romanian along the Adriatic, but what was in Serbia, Romanian and Hungary has been so lost that we cannot link it back together and know where exactly Dacian was. Only that Romanian certainly does carry a lot of it with it.
@iumaser3219 simple. They are unic to romanian and are archaic. Ther are some words that are comen to albanian. So they most come from the same source. Traco dacian ilirian world. Somenthig like that.
@@iumaser3219stop lying dude , Albanian is paleo-Balkanic language . If Albanians came after Slavs how on earth we ended up being Paleo-Balkanic speakers ?
@@erickbehari6740 Albanians are considered to be descendants of Illyrians, which is WAY before Slavs!
@@iumaser3219 You are insane!
Proud of my ancestors! Respect from Romania!
Multumesc
Stanciu cu siguranta se tragea de bulgari. 100% sigur.
The Romanians have nothing to do with the Dacians, according to all real data, the Hungarians and Szeklers have much more to do with them!
@user-wn3uz8fl7k The Rumanians are probably not related to the Dacians. There's no data to show that except that they inhabit the same territory. However, the Secui, or Szecklers, as you called them, appear to be one of the Turanic people who came with the Bulgars in the 7th century. There are no data that shows anything related to Vlachs being to the north of the Danube until the 16th century (Neaşcu's letter written in the Vlach language with Bulgarian letters.)
@@ronaldmcmaster9148 Asa se întâmplă când vorbești o limba latina și vecini fac parte din popoarele migratoare...tu ești ultimul venit...și francezi sunt de fapt doar niște germani care au învățat ceva latina ..hai sa fim serioși..
During the Dacian wars, Dacians talked to Romans without translators. This is visible also on Trajan's column in Rome. So there are some that say this was a fratricidal war between Dacians and Romans, their language being similar, but similar with vulgar latin, not standard latin. It's difficult to completely assimilate a culture in two generations (the span of the Roman occupation), so Dacian language might have had very big similarities to vulgar latin, making it easy to "latinize" Dacia
People likely spoke Dacian in the mountains for centuries. But all you need is the fertile lowland to turn Latin and you own the rest by sheer weight of economics and prestige. Change is not always war - it is slow, cultural.
@@BenLlywelyn Another aspect that makes the theory of rapid latinization disputable is that just a small part of current day Romania was occupied by the Romans. Free dacian tribes still ruled northern Transylvanua, Moldova, and part of Muntenia. Difficult to understand how they were also latinized in 100 years. Also, why were the Jews not latinized. It's still a very much debated subject.
@@cirsteat and don't forget to mention that dacians were the first to land on the moon ....
@@BenLlywelyn If this were true, the romanians should have ended up speaking 90% turkish, since turkish culture had a much bigger and direct impact compared to the romans. Please also note the natural barrier of the Carpathians, which would have limited any influence to go further north. Instead, both north and south have evolved rather homogenous
@@BenLlywelyn only 15% of Dacia was conquered...so the main stream theory is lacking logic, you must understand it was a political strategy to affirm we were talking latin, and that we were of latin origin...nothing further from the truth...
I think that dacian language has common ancestor with latin. As a romanian I can understand fairly easy italian french and spanish. Although if we consider that the location of Romania is quite far from Italy, Spain and France, and that our language spoken today is the same in Wallachia Transylvania and Moldova we can deduce that our language had deep roots which weren't cut by anyone which conquered us. Sure we inherited words due to trades from Slavs Turks and all the other nations but that doesn't mean the language was changed. Phonetical words like are adopted by all the countries, even China adopted Chocolate, as we adopted "tea" or "ceai" from Chinese "Cha" which fonetically both Chinese and Romanian word for "tea" are quite similar. The Rome Empire conqured just 1/3 of Dacia with 2 legions. Those legions weren't even fully composed of romans as in the entirety of the roman empire there were only 8 percent romans of Roman origin. Romanian official theory is that these 8 percent of romans were able to latinize the entire Dacia, not just the 1/3 of Dacia which they actually occupied. considering the fact that Romans were not able to latinize Italy which is near them it stands to reason that they didn't latinize any of the occupied territories. Romans just wanted the territories for resources and that's all. If you read about "Badea Cartan" that went in 19th century AD and rested at Trajan's Column, Italians wrote the very next day that a Dacian came down from the Column to rest. I think the fact that even the clothes not the appearance didn't changed and the fact that what we call today romanian language was not changed neither by Ottomans not by Slavs it is a living proof that dacians never dissapeared and that we just poorly selected a name for a country which doesn't represent us properly. Our correct country name is Dacia.
Even in the 16th century the Italian general Giovanni Battista Castaldo that first unified Dacia (Wallachia, Transylvania and Moldova) in 1551 called himself "Daciae Restitutori Optimo".
Maybe it is just that like Gaulish and Latin had a common Indo-European root, so did Dacian.
@@BenLlywelyn Could be. An interesting fact is that Romanians and syrians have quite similar face features, and there was an ancient country near ancient Syria called Lykaonia which had wolf on their coins, the very same wolf 🐺 that is present on Trajan Decius Dacia coin which was used to create the "drake staff". Wolf is a symbol for Dacia. Could be interesting to find out that Dacians are Lykaonians that migrated in the 4th century BC. History is a fascinating thing as there are many possible theories. Another coincidence is Lykanians had troubles long before first kings of Dacia were widely known.
This is a great comment overall. The discussion around Badea Cârtan and Trajan"s Column gives a nice hint about the fact that Dacian language was not "dead" but "survived" through what is called today Romanian. There is one important aspect to point out here about the oral tradition/folklore, which are so strong in Romanian and clearly of Dacian (and even older) roots. The oral dimension is unique and only people who travelled and spent some time in all of the Romanian regions can deeply understand this. Now, to keep a long story short. Here are some questions that may be a good basis for a new post from @BenLlywelyn:
1. What is the origin of the Latin/Romans language? Romans were not locals from Italy as they came by the sea (like men only in two-three ships), they settled down because locals were nice guys, not warriors like the Romans...
2. What is the origin of the Romanian language? The so-called "latinization" does not stand the logic of the 1/3 of Dacia occupied by Romans for and this less than 200 years... who can believe that some of the free Dacians were comings across the mountains and forest to learn latin, then bring it back home to the free Dacians and teach them the language of the enemy? And then, that "new" language was preserved until today, despite all different influences in Valahia, Moldova and Transilvania, across the centuries... Funny story, right?
3. How one can explain that Romanian language is similar in all the three historical regions, while Romania is a pretty "young" country as such on the map? Of course, there are some local words and specific way of pronouncing one or other (e.g. "chi" instead of "pi" in Moldova) but overall, all of these people understand each other very well.
@@georgevulpescu2671 The origins of the Romanian Language would make an interesting video. If controversial!
Salut from a Transylvanian living in Ireland and many many thanks for this beautiful unique in depth Dacian language documentary, I must add that Dacians had a language spoken by everyone but only written by priests, ref. Tartaria and Sinaia tablets who were deciphered by prof Stefanov and proved to be Daco-Geto language, this is a good lesson for our friends and neighbour's Hungarians who claim they were first in Transylvania...your maps in the video clearly shows Dacia and no Hungary around year 100, excellent video, thanks a million!
Cheers Paul. Mulțumesc.
You are not directly related to the Dacians. There’s a small matter of a 1000 years gap between the disappearance of Dacia and the first Wallachian principality of Radu around the year 1300. Every towns and villages in Transylvania has Hungarian name which you have translated to your language.
@@gabor247 Gabor friend and neighbour as much as this irritates hungarians...me and all my relatives from Transylvania never spoke your language and always been Orthodox...Hungarians enslaved native romanians same like Americans did with native indians and same Brits did with Irish...the gap exist because Hungarians erase all documents and destryed proof of Gelu, Menumorut and other voivods after conquering Ardeal (Transalpina)
@@paulclaude7323 First of all it’s Erdély not Ardeal. This is what I’m talking about. You’ve translated all the Hungarian names in Transylvania the rivers, the mountains the towns and villages. Erdő means Forest in Hungarian. Ardeal doesn’t mean anything in your language. You came to Transylvania because it was more prosperous than the shitlands east of the Carpathians the real Romania.
@@gabor247 we translated all names back to Romanian because you put false magyar names that no one can read or like...this is how we got revenge, in Transilvania majority of population was always romanian or nativ local sheppards who have nothing to do with your culture, language or customs... be happy in you Panonic Hungaria and don't try to steal our land again!
Many thanks with gratitude for your interest in Dacian and Romanian history !
Very kind.
the dacian/thracian grammar is preserved in the so-called "balkan sprachbund"
Probably yes.
Balkan sprachbund is not a language but an area in wich languages in that area shows similaritities or have inherited common features .
There is a common substratum coming from Thracian(Dacian), Illiryan, MAcedonian and Old Greek, common to all modern languages in the Balkan, called the Balkanic sprachbunde, or the Balkanic substratum.
Your, our common substratum is the old Steppe culture (you know, West of the Urals). so, beware how you speak bad things about Hungarians coming from the Ural area. Again: almost all people now living in Europe are descendants of the Yamnaya people: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture
I said almost because Basques, Hungarians and all Fino-Uralic (Ogur) people are OLDER inhabitants of Europe than people of the Yamnaya culture. I hope you will understand.
@@petibatyo Yeap. And first of them arrived in a space between actual Romania and Serbia some 7000 years ago (Vinca Culture). Taking in consideration the following spread of this population by DNA, you can follow them to the proto celtic/romance spaces....Thus logically the Vinca where a proto romance language! And Vinca were the ancestors of thraco/illyrian people!
As a Romanian I want to thank you for this video. It's true, there is no written evidence of the language and it's a shame, but this, like you said, makes Romanian so much more interesting. Good luck with your Romanian lessons. I would suggest to learn the language even more as there are many books in Romanian about the Dacians or "Daci" (pronounced Dachi). Romanian and Albanian are not related languages, even if the underlayer is similar, but the Romanian is a Romance at its core. The Romanization was very strong and quick in the province of Dacia Romana and, from there, it expanded into the neighbouring territories. As a side note, Republic of Moldova is also a Romanian speaking country. We don't need translators to understand each other. Hopefully, one day, Romania and Moldova will be reunited. Fingers crossed.
Multumesc frumos.
I am Roumanian and I thank you for your serious and beautifull video!....I lived in 5 countries and 7 diferent cities in UE in the last 32 years and had to learn many different languagges. But from some years now,I got that strange feeling that my mother tongue has something very special and I am sure has nothing to do with any kind of cheap nationalism,which I usually dislike....there is something about rumanian which bring me in a very original place and having the opportunity to see it from outside right now, give me an objective view about it. I am surre it is a language which in a future will change our vision about Europe history and will bring a fascinate world to our awareness.....thank you again!
Romanian is special, and I would like to explore it further. How it formed is not clear but its influences make it quie different ans as you said, puts you in another space.
Limba noastră... Mihai Eminescu!...
....... din adâncuri!...
Din tată în fiu fără alfabetizare... probabil foarte veche...cu rădăcini în epoca de piatră!...
@@ovidiumarinelsava7928 Nu orbi patriotismul vrednic cu păcatul mândriei.
@@BenLlywelyn în
Discutam un adevăr istoric prăfuit de interesele meschine a puterilor social politice și militare chiar!
În general știu măsura între fanatism și un dialog ... s-au un schimb de idei!...
Ne naștem cu scopul de a „omeni"... în funcție de contextele date... în cazul unei pocăințe fanatice... intrăm în alte păcate!...
Mulțumesc pentru sfat!
Multă sănătate!
If you like Roman-Dacian history, you should take a look at Galerius Valerius Maximianus, and I'd really like to see a video about him!
There is quite the wikipedia article on this fellow to read. Thank you.
@@BenLlywelyn The Arch of Valerius in Thessaloniki is worth looking into as well. Roman soldiers with traditional Dacian tarabostes hats. The Dacian draco military standard sculpted all around in multiple places, in one instance with the Roman aquilla logo on top of it.
The Arch of Constantine also has 8 Dacian statues, probably to commemorate Constine the Great's re-conquest of Dacia in 336 AD. (You'll find this if you'll look into Constantine's German and Sarmatian campaigns).
Also as a side note; whatever source you run into about Romanian related history that comes from the Hungarians should be taken with a grain of salt or two. They're notorious about trying to establish some supposed 'Scythian cousin' or another in the territories ahead of our ancestors even though they're just 9th-10th century Ugrian newcomers.
@@akuleet6029 1,000 years ago and more is a long time, no? I realise that Romanians and Hungarians have a few issues to work out together.
@@BenLlywelyn As someone that frequents Quora quite often I can tell you that some things hardly ever change. Might be just some fringe elements of our societies nowadays but we're still at it.
We can hardly agree on who was Romanian and who was Hungarian for instance.
John Huniady, Vlad the Impaler (yes, some Hungarians will even claim the Impaler as Hungarian, whatever's floating their boats lol), etc.
Truth be told Vlacho-Hungary was a thing for a while.
We'll never agree on who was 1st in Transylvania, according to Magyar sources i.e. a complaint from the Hungarian nobility from the Transylvanian national assembly of 1744; we were 'foreign and new comer' even in the 18th century. Again; whatever's floating their boats. As far as we're concerned they're the sole new comers in the whole region.
They will claim we're not the Dacians. Who knows? It's been 2000 years already.
But then they'll also say we were not the Romans. A Romance speaking people with clear historical ties to the Roman empire. But no, we weren't Romans. Yet somehow they were Huns because Avars mixed the Huns and the Magyars somewhat mixed with the Avars even though genetic studies*(can find the sources on the Pannonian Avars wiki page) show that only the elites of the Pannonian Avars were actual Avars and the commoners were local Europeans. Besides the Pannonian Avars(the elites) had a degree of Mongolian ancestry, which doesn't show in neither the Magyar conquerors neither the modern Hungarian populations.
"Numerous ecclesiastical writings contain useful but scattered information, sometimes difficult to authenticate or distorted by years of hand-copying between the 6th and 17th centuries. The Hungarian writers of the 12th century wished to portray the Huns in a positive light as their glorious ancestors, and so repressed certain historical elements and added their own legends.[15]: 32 " [Attila's wiki page]
In fairness DNA tests do detect a Hun connection;
"All in all, Török and his team’s findings seem to support the well-known hypothesis, according to which the conquerors could have been a small group among the Onoğur Bulgarians, who originated from Middle Asia and previously had a tight cousinship-alliance with the Huns". [dailynewshungary com/genetic-study-proves-hungarians-descendants-huns]
=> The detected genetic ties may be pre-exisitng to the migrations which is not surprising given the history of the tribes and in which case we're not talking about Attila's Huns.
And if we say Romans were still 1st in the region even if you were the ancestors of Attila's Huns they'll be all like, the Sarmatians are our ancestors too because Scyths. It's just a ridiculous never ending back and forth.
By their logic everything and anyone that was even remotely related to Rome/ (Scythia) is and always has been Italian/ (Hungarian) or something among those lines. And it seems to be making perfect sense for them too, just don't ask me how.
@@BenLlywelynthere's no issue between Romanians and Hungarians.
It's just political issue.
I've been living in Hungary for about 3 years, I learned quite a lot of the language, so I was able to,,see",to understand that the simple people don't care who was first or last in Transylvania.
My brother lives in Hungary for about 30 years now...NO ISSUES AT ALL!!
I was born in Transylvania on Halloween day,by the way 😅
The connection with Welsh is interesting. Don't forget that there were Dacians in the Roman Army sent to Britan (after Dacia was conquered, although not entirely, by the Roman Empire), and there are documents and archeological proofs. Some of them in the north, at the line between England and Scotland, and some other in other places. The city of Chester was also named Deva ( in Dacian means forthress), and after that Chester, which comes form the latin ...castrum, which measn forthress.
Yes there is.
@@BenLlywelyn there îs only the true,Deva means(dava)alias castrum.,fortress.many Earls ,and dux are dacians but romans. You have,celtics,dacians,jutes,angles,saxons,Franks Norman,after Hastings.Normans are varengs tribs from Denmark, 😊❤❤❤❤
Alba also?
Colling them self's Valahian-Legions, în Roman army...
Dacian language was not spoken only in the Carpathians Mountains, but also south of the Danube in the Balkan Peninsula! Thracians and Dacians, they were the same people.
We cannot be sure.
@@BenLlywelyn Sir, I repeat Dacians and Thracians are the same people (Getae and Dacians are tribes of the Thracians), inform yourself much better please! Only if you will open the wikipedia at Identity and Distribution, you will discover this aspect! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians
This was awesome! I always wanted to know more about our romance speaking "cousins" in the east!
Thank you Ben, for your efforts and for this well-documented video.
You are welcome.
I've always wondered why even though Romans where present in England for a good few hundred years, they didn't seem to influence the English language. But when they were present in Dacia for far less, just a couple hundred years, somehow the Dacian language dissapeared and we Romanians addopted their latin language.
Could it be possible that maybe the Dacian language was proto-latin?
Fun fact: In Romanian green = verde; yellow = galben. In Albanian it's the other way around, green = galben; yellow = verde. (Obviously it's spelled different but it sounds the same).
The English were not in Britain until after Rome left.
That looks like a a form of daltonism in Albanian :P. As for the Roman Empire's presence and influence upon the languages of its European subjects there are many thing to say, but it takes too long to explain in a TH-cam comment and you will not believe them anyway, as you are prevented by the nationalism that was instilled in you since kindergarten. The truth is ugly and would make you hate your ancestors.
@@GholaTleilaxu K 🤣🤣🤣
??? Half of English comes from Latin …. What are you talking about 😂😂😂😂
I´m also noticing a connection between Romanian and Albanian. I happen to speak Romanian too and sometimes I react to Albanian words. Mostly ancient words from before the Romans, like plow or fence. Where can that come from? From Illyrian and Dacian.
A spectrum across the Balkans we have lost but exists now in a few scattered words in Albania, Romanian and less so Lithuanian.
Good job Ben ! Keep it up !
Thanks a lot for your video, very interesting and informing! 🤗
RESPECT AND THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
Great video! Much love from modern day Dacia. 💙💛❤️
Great video, thank you for sharing this.
Thank you.
An honest opinion as a romanian? Yes great presentation and thank you so much for promoting an underrated country.
Many thanks. Appreciated.
@@BenLlywelyn this was such a great video. I am a romanian living now in the USA. This video can be usefull for people here to learn a about our history
Hello from Bucharest to you and to all Dacian Brothers. Thank you for this.
Hello to you.
Felicitari pentru materialul realizat! Congratulations on the material created!
E bine să te bucuri.
Great video! Thank you!
I dont have Romanian nation but I have Romanian citizenship and I am very very proud of this. I love the country I born and lived until 22 and, for me, it is the most beautiful place on eatth with many many special people.
I am glad you love your country.
interesting, in Bulgaria we also have the word Branza. It is a special type of cheese, I would put it more towards the fresh cheeses almost like crud. It is made originally from sheep’s milk fermented in a lambskin leather pouch.
Tasty.
brindza is the same in Slovak.
Well it may also be due to Bulgarian imperialism 😆. We (Romania) were part of the 1st Bulgarian empire like 1000 years ago.
@@tudogeo7061
Yes, you were subjects of the Bulgarian Empire, without any special leading role.
@@petibatyo and then you lost your little empire and became subjects of the Ottoman empire. Also without any leading role. Any special point you're trying to prove?
Thank you very much . All respect and good things and I want to visit Nicolae Iorga's monument in Albania :D
Very kind. Thank you indeed. B
Thank you very much for your work!
A pleasure.
Yes, please do a video about the Celtics in Transilvania
It is on the list, just a matter of how to find the time to read more on it now.
Hi Ben, Rome conquered a part from Dacia, like up until the Sub Carpathians, and after the romans left, everybody was speaking latin? Even the people beyond the Carpathians? Maybe you have an answer to this question. Thank you
Prestige. Education. Church. Commerce. Languages most often change without war.
Thank you for your interest in Dacian language, if you will stay for some time in Romania and Moldova villages you will discover more Dacian language from old people, many words I remember from my parents which are not used in today language. Also language spoken in Moldova is Romanian/ Dacian language, you will understand , if you will go to Moldova.
It would be a pleasure to visit such beautiful lands.
@@BenLlywelyn thank you very much for your reply! I love your interesting video! In Romania there is a Mountain called Godeanu, meaning Belongs to God. In Romanian God is Dumnezeu. Also we have a sentence made only of vowels: Oaia aia e a ei! That is her sheep! I am looking forward to seeing more videos from you! BTW I was born in Romania, living in Florida, I miss Romania!
@@olgaroche2929 păi vino acasă ! Sau aștepți să dai cu capul de ... ,,curcubeu" ?
@@BenLlywelyn I went up to Dorohoi very close to Moldova
Great video!
Thank you very much.
Beautifully made!
Appreciated.
Romania is Carpathian, not Balkan. Its up north the Danube and it has Carpathian mountains not balkan. So is Poland Hungary Czechia Austria. All are Carpathian. Romania alone itself is the definition of what Carpathian is.
It really is quite blended. I get what you mean. Most people don't make such firn categories is all. Thank you for watching my content
@@BenLlywelyn thank you too but how is it blended? when it doesn’t have balkan mountains? It’s truly Carpathian. Half of the Carpathians alone lie within Romania. Whenever I think of the Carpathians Romania is the first country to pop up. Even a google research does that. Even from a cultural point of view is Carpathian. It is that lol.Greetings from Germany.
@@klaus6740 Balkan is not only the mountain, but the peninsula, too. Dobrogea is part of this peninsula. Then, culturally and from a DNA perspective, we are more related to the Balkans. Fight me now ... to prove I am right : )
@@ionbrad6753 I’m German btw I’m not from the beautiful Carpathian Romania. Dobrogea doesn’t have balkan mountains. Romania is and will forever be Carpathian. No matter how much you try to push it into the balkans.
@@ionbrad6753 Romania is on the Carpathian part of Europe.Balkan means balkan mountains go research before posting stupid comments Romanians have Carpathian dna. Dobrogea is right under the danube not a big deal . It doesn’t have balkan mountains. It’s Carpathian.
Well, the language may be dead but the Dacians live on in the hearts of the Romanians, despite our name :). We have very many folk songs dedicated to the Dacians, Roman legions would be lucky to have so many.
Whereever we live, we are the caretakers of the cultures who have lived there before.
Curios😊 cu ce se mai ocupau dacii acum 30 - 36 de ani in urmă!!!
Very good video!
Thank you.
Great video, I never thought I'll be seeing one about the Dacian language!
Thank you kindly.
It's an intriguing topic. For instance, modern romanian dictionaries indicate the origin of the word "rece" (romanian for "cold") as being the latin "recens" = "new", "fresh". I myself consider this a pretty rough association.
Thank you Ben Again for sharing your hard studies ! I found that the mapping of maternal Haplogroup Is matching the understanding of language origin . The L, L3, N, R. And last one:U. The last one is U which shows that was a language in Europe before Indo-European language . And the location of U is very interesting! I am talking about branching from U !
You are welcome.
Nice video, good music and thought-provoking
Hello from USA. I am a Bosnian living in US since 93, i came here at 10 yrs old. I've always been fascinated with the origins, migrations and intermixing of the peoples of the European continent. Lately I've been watching a lot of videos on the history and origins of the Slavic people and there's some amazing stories. I especially get excited when i hear of my ancestors kicking the Roman's asses, rather original, Western or Eastern empires (Byzantine). I am proud of the Illyrian heritage throughout the Balkans as well as Slav, Celtic, Dacian, Thracian, ancient Macedonian and all the other amazing cultures, civilizations, tribes, customs and warrior pride our ancestors possessed. We are all tied together through passage of time and contact. We are all brethren. Peace be upon all Balkan people past and present.
Individul merge prin maracini , cand are o sosea asfaltata . Pentru romanii interesati sugerez citirea cartii scrisa de Iulia Brranza Mihaileanu : Pentru cine este nociva originea traco geto daca?
Ce limba grãiesti bl ca nu prea te înţeleg... Graiul moldovean: "vorbeşte în kizda masî normal pidarule"
@@poofoh6889 Cucuta iti face rau si ajugi de te certi singur!
The Romanian language, as well as the old Italic languages which include Latin, some Romance languages, as well as the Celtic languages come from a single mother tongue that we can call (proto-) Pelasgian. This mother tongue was formed thousands of years ago, being the descendant of the Proto-Indo-European language whose speakers entered Europe about 9000 years ago. Thus, we can conclude that the Romanian language, as well as the Romanian people, were formed long before we could talk about the Romans or the Thraco-Dacians of the historical period. The Romanization theory is not valid. The Romans conquered 1/6 of our Dacia. But the Romanian language is spoken correctly even 1000 km from the conquered area and where the Romans never reached. Recent paleolinguistic studies explain. It is not from the Romans that we have the Latinized language, but long before them . The common European fund, even for Romans.
Romanian retained the case system and Latin grammar, while the other Romance languages developed prepositions and completely abandoned the case system.
This means that Romanian is the closest language to Latin in terms of grammar.
Other people who hear Romanian think it sounds closest to Latin. .
Romanian is the only Romance language that still retains a masculine and authoritative sound, as Latin does.
Case declensions in Romanian are inherited directly from Latin. . Italian doesn't even have case declensions.
In the Sardinian language there are many purely Romanian words that do not exist in Latin or Italian. Likewise in the Friuli area of northern Italy. There are populations that migrated in the distant past (even in antiquity) from the Danube area, Romania , the ancient Dacia.
In the Sardinian language there are many purely Romanian words that do not exist in Latin or Italian. Likewise in the Friuli area of northern Italy. likewise, the Romansh language of Switzerland. There are populations that migrated in the distant past (even in antiquity) from the Danube area, Romania, ancient Dacia. Words found only in Romanian, non-existent in Latin, Italian and other Romance languages. Things are more complicated and relate to the true history of ancient Europe.
Hi there, it is true that Romanian is quite conservative and retaining elements of Latin which other Romance languages lost. I just need to note that Indo-European came into Europe sometime between 5000 bce and 3000 bce - and did not encompass all of Europe for a long time as Uralic, Etruscan, Basque types and others existed for quite some time to, adding an underlayer to each branch of Indo-European in Europe as they formed and diverged, possible under the influences of the pre-IE languages.
@@BenLlywelyn Our history begins 7,500 years ago. We are the only autochthonous people in Europe and the descendants of the Neolithic civilizations that have followed one another on this territory. Cucuteni, Gumelnita, Vadastra, for over 7500 years, proven by paleogenetics. 2012 study from Germany, Institute of Anthropology. On the territory of Romania and in the Balkans, there were brilliant, Neolithic civilizations, up to the Thracians, the Getae and the Dacians, their close ancestors. Our museums have archaeological evidence from all these eras. First of all..a superb ceramic. Look for Cucuteni pottery, 7500 years old. From here the Dacian and Getae population migrated to the west of Europe and thus new nations were created. A lot of evidence, documents. The ancestors of the Getae were called from the 4th century in writings, Goth . And the Goths, that is, the ancient Getae built Europe.
superb, thanks!
Welcome.
Thanks a lot for this! Great mysteries in this land and I am happy to hear them from other sources. Great! Looking forward to any more videos about this that you make!
I will in the future. Need to learn more.about it.
Congratulations for your hard work.It’s obvious that you did a lot of research on this subject. I’ll like to watch a video about the Celts in Transylvania. By the way,I have subscribed to your channel.
I appreciate that. We will get a Celts in Transylvania video out by the end of this year.
Are you a philologist, linguist or linguistic anthropologist? My two brothers were tetraglots, one spoke Irish and one Welsh but they never spoke to each other. I am relearning Latin then French then maybe Irish or Arabic. I started the latter in military but interest waned when I retired. Do you speak Texan anymore :
Linguist I suppose. And an explorer.Texas was a long time ago my friend.
Thanks FOR the invested Time
It is paying off.
Wonderful video, multumesc! :D
Very good video, congratulations! Coming from a Romanian, you really deserve it! And Romanians had as a name given by others Wallachians - pretty close to Welsh
Mulțumesc. See my other video on names like Wales all over Europe if you like Wallachia.
Probabil. Am avut norocul sa verific asta, fiindca dupa un test genetic am constatat ca am intre stramosi unul comun cu alti doi romani, cativa englezi, un danez, un Italian din Alpi si doi bulgari din Tarnovo. Am cu ei aceleasi mutatii pe cromozomul Y care ar fi aparut la un stramos comun acum 2700-3000 de ani. Este o dovada certa ce poate fi legata de populatiile de atunci poate chiar Celti/Daci/Traci... Sau, Celti=Daci=Traci. ;)
That's an interesting correlation, but I think that it most likey has to do with the way our Slavic neighbours described it: "In the northwestern Slav- ic countries, which in the Middle Ages neighbored the Italian Peninsula or had intensive and regular contacts with it, Vlach meant “Italian” (the people and the language), while for those situated further from Italy, it meant “Romanian” (Arvinte 1979: 334-336, Kovačec 2016)."
Dacians were brought to Roman Britannia and remained there as settlers so there might be a Welsh connection...
We do wonder why the Welsh dragon feels eastern.
Hadrian wall!! Right? They were the first who fought there..
@@BenLlywelyn Also the city of Chester was called Deva, same as the Romanian city of Deva.
Deva/dava ment fortress in Dacian.
@@razvanbarascu4007 basically deva/ dava was at the end of a fortress location name, not just 1 location such as Deva still existing nowadays as those fortresses went under in the Dark Ages. Dacians were good architects as the geography forced them to be good builders of defensive works. Despite the brutality of the Middle Ages, the Dacian capital ruins still hold and is a USESCO site.
@@cristibrad6742 yes bro, I know, also Moldava/Moldavia/Moldova.. as Stephan the Great was saying, Tara Romaneasca a Moldaviei.
The pieces of the puzzle are there..
As a native Romanian I'm very glad that our ancestors and history are starting to get known and is spread by western people, they are fascinated by our myths and legends.
Romanians have a rich and layered history. With much sorrow, but also willingness to rise in times of need, and overcoming it.
Thank you very much that you took the time to make the video, I'm Romanian and I didn't knew about the Celtic connection.
Multumesc!
@@BenLlywelyn Gyda phleser! Mae'r bennod gyda'r ieithoedd a siaredir yn Israel hefyd yn ddiddorol iawn. Rydych chi wedi ennill tanysgrifiwr newydd :)
THANK YOU ! 💙💛❤
Wonderful. Mol-dav(i)a, be sure, isn't from Russian. Some researchers suppose that Dacian and Latin were related languages, so the Romanisation of the Dacians is rather a wish than reality. Plus, don't forget that not all Dacia was conquered by the Romans, but the language has been the same in Moldova, Transilvania, and Wallachia.
Prestige and money often conquer more swiftly than the sword.
in regards to the link between Dacian and welsh, there is a video by Tomorrow's world view called ''Interview: Who Are the Celts?'' that i think might be of great interest to you,
thanks for the video!
Foarte frumos clipul.
Mulțumesc.
@@BenLlywelyn I don't know about the language similarities, but thracians and the getae were related as herodot writes "According to Herodotus, the Getae were "the noblest as well as the most just of all the Thracian tribes".[46] When the Persians, led by Darius the Great, campaigned against the Scythians, the Thracian tribes in the Balkans surrendered to Darius on his way to Scythia, and only the Getae offered resistance.[46]"(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae), also Queen Tomiris who was a messogetae, who killed Cyrus after Cyrus killed her son with a trick, it is said to have been estabilshed in present day Constanta, old name Tomis, derived from the name of that Queen, (According to Jordanes (after Cassiodorus), the foundation of the city was ascribed to Tomyris, the queen of the Massagetae (the origin and deeds of the Goths):[12]) ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constan%C8%9Ba )
You touched the surface but there is a lot more beneath, which probably doesn't concern your main interest, but to complete what you started let me remind readers that the Archaic Romanian contains plenty of different vocabulary and is a lot more complex than a foreigner learning Romanian or a city educated Romanian would comprehend, about a language known as Romanian today. No doubt in the dying Romanian villages lies the quintessence of the Daco - Romanian language, continuously spoken and enhanced by different population arrivals in time, to the lower Danube Carpathian regions. By statistics about 30% of todays Romanian is Latin derived, while up to 85-87% is Latin related, as cognates of related meanings.
Thracian name is certainly derived from the Thrako - Drako, war banner of Wolf head - Snake tail, used to be invoked in war as a war, evil spirit, carried in battles by the Dacians and Thracians.
Thracon was the Achaen aka Greek spelling of Drakon and meant the same thing, as much as Daos - Dacian meant the Wolf (worshipping) people.
So according to all ancient sources the Thracians and Dacians were basically the same people. Dacian is the Roman version of the population always known to Greeks as the GETAE people. There is a lot more about the Getae people than most are willing to accept today, even though the evidence is overwhelming.
Basically it is inaccurate to limit the Getae people to south east, east Romania, but obviously the big Getae group evolved differently in time, due to a different population mix. Herodotus said that the Thracian people were the second largest population on earth, after Indians. So where on earth were they if only spread in half Balkans and north west Anatolia? He also confused the fact that the Getae were from the Thracians, when all the evidence shows that the Thracians were actually one of the Getae people. Spread from the Iberic peninsula as Illyr Getae and other Getae tribes, genetically proven to have spread from the Carpathian region to south west Europe, during the Bronze age, to the Thai/Dai Getae Getos of south Balkans, to the Geto Dacians of the Carpahians, the Tyra Getae of north west of Black sea, the Tyssa Getae of North Caucaus, Dai, Daos, Docci, Getaru of south Caucasus and east Anatolia, Hatti, Gati, Gatai of Anatolia and Massa Getae of East and south Caspian, in the past, all areas featuring up to date strong and specific IE language carrier genes, associated with the former Getae spread. .
As for city names, they differ in endings because even today from village to village people can choose a different meaning to relate to something. Like Para is related to shelter, protection over, found also in Latin Parare and Romanian a Para - to Block, to Defend or aPARAre - Defense. Certainly is also related to Para (Focului) - Flame of Fire in Romanian and Pira - Fire at Vlachs of Balkans, which in early times could also mean fire place, lightened and also protected from wild animals, cold, dark, etc.
Dacian Dava, Deva, Deba, Debe, Dabae, Dea, Daea, Devae, looks like evolved differently, rather as cultural, religious, spiritual centers, located around the worship places, and the term was, is, very much related to the Sanskrit Deva, Devi - Devine, Heavenly, Godly, Goddess. Not to mention that 8-6 century BC Transylvanian cultures are full of Indo-Arian objects, including the Arian swastikas and many Sanskrit related location names left, in the Carpathians.
Then the Dacian Deva, Dava, Dabe, Debae.. meant the same as Theba, Tebae. Tape, Tepe, found from the Indus valley, to south Caucasus, in Anatolia, the Balkans and the Carpathians.
Thank you, Sofia. Romania is large and ancient country situated at a cultural crossroads of cultures and languages and it would take a lifetime to explore it properly!
As I know the actual town Chelsea was named Deva. Could be this a fact that was founded maybe by the Dacian warriors moved there by the Roman Empire after Dacia's conquest to defend the Hadrian limes( wall) against the Picts?
@@esocida Britain Deva was in Chester and yes for centuries was the location of Prima Aelia Dacorum legion. Genetically even today there is a lot of Balkan DNA in there. Even later who thinks that the Scythian Cavalry from Durostorum (Silistra in Romania today) was anything other than Getae is very poor at history. Scytia Minor province meant all the Getae lands from Olbia - Odessa to north east Balkans and Moesia Inferior. An ancestral Geto - Dacian land, while the.Geto - Dacians were IE speakers of a Satemized Centum language, but all indications are that were no Iranians. They also had tradition in cavalry, attested by the blitzkriegs of Geto Dacians during Burebista, against the Celts in central Europe and at east against the Sarmatians, Roxoalani, Bastarnae and the Greek cities at Black sea. They were excellent mounted archers and also used spears.
In the 15th century in the Vatican documents they were referring to the population of the romanians countries as the "Dacians" knowing perfect that there were the same people. They new that the romans conquered the 6th part of Dacia so they couldn't teach all the other people in the Dacians territory the Latin language. The celts was living more in the today Hungarian territories but being neighbours they were speaking close languages.
No, in the 15th century a reference to ”dacians” meant only "people living in the territory of former Dacia, which probably are Dacian's descendents". Bot not really Dacians. This kind of territorial-name-remanence is often seen in other ocasions, too. For example, the Serbs were also called Triballi (former thracian tribe inhabiting what was contemporary Serbia). Many horsemen (Avars / Huns etc) coming westward to Europe from the Pontic Steppes were called Scythians, way after they left history. Etc.
@@ionbrad6753 What's the big difference between dacians and dacian descendants? Of course they were not the same people unless dacians leave hundreds of years. But a dacian descendant is still a kind of dacian and not a turk or some extraterrestrial being.
@@ionbrad6753 you are comparing romanians/Dacians which never left any where and didn't come from somewhere else with the Turkish or Hungarians coming from Asia. Look at the following video (Originile limbii române) on the TH-cam, this guy studied for many years the Vatican libraries and you will understand better that actually we are with the inherent changes even linguistic 70%the Thracians.
@@jimbaretta5683 The difference is the self-aknowledgement, the identity assumed by the respective population. 200 years ago when people had no schools, very few knew they are descending of Dacians.
Yet 200 years ago everybody knew (s)he's a Romanian.
More, 200 years ago, the few educated people who knew history - basing their reasoning on language - thought that we (Romanians) are mainly descending from Roman colonists. Only now, based on genetic studies, we can say we are mainly descending from ancient populations living in this area way before the Roman conquest.
@@ionelghiorghita688 Leaving / not leaving an area is not the issue here. The fact is population changed its own perceived identity.
200 years ago any humble peasant would tell he's Romanian, but about Dacians he would not have probably heard.
Likewise, the French are descending from Gauls, they never left their area, but they are not Gauls anylonger.
Wow. You are outstanding with those video clips presentations about Dacia and the Dacian language! Very well done!
Excellent stuff.
Well, nice to see your video.
Thank you.
Thanks for information in Englidh. Could it be the opposite, the other way around? It is not about adopting latin, but it is the true source, with latin being a created lingua franca. In history, the Dacians and Thracians were a highly advanced culture and civilization. Look how long it took Rome to defeat them. Many Thracians were hired as mercenaries with at least 3 emperors being of Thracian descent. Trajans column is the most magnificent and elaborats portraying the Dacians in a positive light. Remember that Aeneas, a Trojan, Thracian founded Rome according to the Aeneid. Doesn't it look strange that Romania which had the shortest period of time under the Roman rule adopted "vulgar latin" as the present narrative says by all the population and spoke it fluently? It is isolated in the east while the other romance languages are in the west. Just questions.
We just don't have anything suggesting that. And a lot of what I see on it seems like Romanian Natio alism. They could easily have been related languages, but we have nothing more.
@@BenLlywelyncheck the thracian kings discovered recently in Bulgaria ,english call this area Kings Valley.Many tombs 2000 years ago or older discovered.
@@BenLlywelynEven according to the conventional narrative promoted by very much non-nationalist ethnologs and historians the PARTIAL occupation of Dacia lasted little more than 100 years.
That is not enough time to replace the language of a people they didn’t even fully conquer and it does not matter if only Romanian nationalists are seemingly the only ones willing to point this out
Good questions!
@@BenLlywelyn Logic says you don't need more :) A small part of Dacia was occupied by Romans for 100 years, is not possible for Dacian language to just die as you said, au contrary, clearly the Dacian and Latin language merged into Romanian. They also clearly were part of the same roots, it`s the only logic for all to see.
2 remarks:
- Romanian, Bulgarian and Albanian all have the definite article at the end of the noun, unlike any other languages in the region, no matter their origin
In a disscusion with someone we said Albanians might be a Dacian group that left Dacia, just an idea, can't be demonstrated
- In Tomis-Constanta the poet Ovidiu wad outcast. He wrote that the Getae language seemed rough to him, like the Getae themselves, but if only he had written more about it
Great video!
Thank you. It is interesting Norwegian Swedish also attach thr article to the end of the noun. I don't see any direct link, but there is a lot between we have lost.
@@BenLlywelyn :) I know they do. Did the Gothic language had it too? But it's hard to believe that they spread it here.
@@aiurea1 Latin has the definite article at the end of the noun.
@@RaduRadonys you mean because of the Latin "ille"? That is a little disputed if Latin used articles or not. There are probably over 20 languages or varieties derived from Latin but only our variation and possibly Aromanian uses it at the end. How do you explain those from Bg and Ab which are not in the form of ille?
@@aiurea1 Well Eastern Romance language (Romanian, Aromanian, etc) do use it, while Western Romance languages (which are way more than the Eastern ones) don't. And that's pretty simple to explain, since the Western languages were influenced by Germanic, which has the article in front.
chatGPT A.I information:
Q:Did Romans conquered all Dacia?
"The Roman conquest of Dacia was a gradual process that took place in two major military campaigns led by the Roman Emperor Trajan. The first campaign occurred in 101-102 AD, resulting in the establishment of Roman control over a portion of Dacia. The second campaign took place in 105-106 AD and led to the complete annexation of Dacia into the Roman Empire.
During these campaigns, the Roman Empire under Trajan successfully conquered and incorporated the core territory of Dacia, which roughly corresponds to modern-day Romania and parts of neighboring countries, including portions of present-day Bulgaria, Serbia, and Moldova.
It's important to note that while the Romans established political control over Dacia, the process of Romanization and integration with the local population took time. The conquered region retained a distinct cultural and linguistic identity, and elements of Dacian culture and traditions persisted even after Roman rule."
Q:Is there any proof that Dacians and Romanians share common DNA?
"The question of DNA resemblance between ancient Dacians and modern-day Romanians is a complex and nuanced one. It's important to note that "Dacians" refer to an ancient Indo-European people who inhabited the region of Dacia (modern-day Romania and parts of neighboring countries) during classical antiquity.
That being said, genetic studies have provided some insights into the genetic makeup of modern Romanians and their potential connections to ancient populations. Studies have shown that modern-day Romanians, like most European populations, have a complex genetic heritage influenced by multiple migrations and interactions throughout history.
One notable genetic study published in 2019 analyzed the genomes of ancient individuals from the Dacian period and compared them to various modern populations, including Romanians. The study found that modern Romanians had genetic continuity with the ancient Dacians, indicating a significant ancestral link between the two populations. However, it's important to note that this study represents just one piece of the puzzle and that further research is needed to gain a more comprehensive understanding.
In summary, while there is evidence to suggest a genetic connection between ancient Dacians and modern Romanians, the precise level of DNA resemblance is still a topic of ongoing research and debate. Estimations based on available data suggest a notable ancestral link, but it's essential to approach the topic with caution and acknowledge the complexities involved in population genetics."
I hope we can build libraries in the future without A.I. allowed. Just my view.
Nice video.
Thank you.
what I find unusual about Romanian is the amount of Slavic words. DA apparently isn't Slavic but from a phrase in latin. But bogat (rich) and quite a few others I notice seem to be Slavic or in common with Russian.
They have Slavic languages on multiple sides.
Well, lots of people came and went around here, we do have a lot of words from slavic origin, Turkish, even French.
But our common language is Latin and slavic mixed together
Da comes from Latin "Ita'"( so)
Compare Latin "Ita' vero"( truly so) with Italian "Da vero"( truly so)..
There are more examples when ,d' is chosed over ,t'
Du in German/ Tu Latin
Da is used in Chicago area instead of,the'
Dad, daddy/ Romanian Tata ( Father)
In some places like Maramures the people still say "Ida"
The true Slavs ( Polish,Ucrainians and Belarusians) use "Tak'" for yes and like in Latin that's short from Tako ( so)
Slovenians use ,ja' and Slovaks ,ano'
yeah, that's true, romanian has lots of slavic words, but the irony of it is that we have a hard time understanding any slavic language for example i could listen to a russian ramble for 30 minutes straight and probably understand a word or two as oppose to something like italian which i can easily make sense of entire sentences
@@klaus6091
Most have a Romanian etymology.
Dexonline sucks
There is, or was , a film in Romanian about the conflict between the Dacians and the Romans . It's called "Dacii " if I remember correctly , pronounced. "Dah - chee ". I saw the beginning but didn't get beyond this for some reason . I don't know if it's still on TH-cam but will try to find it . I am somewhat familiar with the Romanian language , and my maternal grandmother , who was a native of the Ukrainian city of. Chernivtsi , which is very close to the Romanian. border , spoke. Romanian , as well as Yiddish , standard German and Ukrainian . Unfortunately, she died long ago when I was a boy , and I never got a chance to hear much about her background .
The Dacian Roman struggle could make several epic films.
High quality movie from 60-s Romania.
Cernăuți/Chernovtsy was part of Romania until WW2! The city had a german - Jewish majority between the two wars! And I don't take the Romanian 1930 census but the 1910 census from Austro-Hungary! Romanians were the third largest ethnical group in the city.
With subtitles : th-cam.com/video/PbduBMbHTXE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/PbduBMbHTXE/w-d-xo.html
The respective film.
i like he takes the subject starting with foundations and environment of it's origin
so smart and rational way to seek truth and present it
Dzięki.
Congratulations on a well done video. It is good to see more people interested in a a forgotten language that left is mark on the Balkans . The language probably had influence on both sides of the Danube, but more linguistics research is needed.
Diolch / Thank you. Appreciated.
There are still last names Daka and Daci in Albania.
Bukuresht, in Albanian means It's beautiful, Bukur+eshte.
Ancient family.
Rumanians daco maniac just cuz they faking the history cuz that's theirs intrest but it's obvious that they aren't Dacs
They are the arumani ppl from rumelia, located albania
Rumani ,Rumeli
Same thing
@@GM-os6fo skipped your medication scheme, Gonzorian? Eat your gulyas first, than take them pills all. At once.
Bucharest was a late thing. During the dark ages the center was Targoviste.
I guess that historycally norics, moldavians and rumanians formed a big strong group to not dissapear between helenics and slavics people.
There were many different peoples.
@@BenLlywelyn Yes they all should maintain the proto indo european like a International idiom diplomatic idiom, that's the capital wrong of indo europeans people.
Many wars between its was they dint preserve ancestral langs of comunication.
Europe was formed sadly by blood on the ground unecesseraly and madness wars.
Many senseless wars.
@@BenLlywelyn we should consider all the time what the Greek historians, especially Herodotus, was saying speaking about the Thracians, Getae and others and finally saying that they were speaking the same language. If you add the Herodotus "the Thracians are the most numerous people after the Indians" would be enough to understand that what Romania is today is a small part from the old Thracians territories and it's difficult to say that they resisted between slavic people but much better "they didn't resisted and lost most of the territories". Few hundred years ago they were still a lot in Dalmatia, Serbia, North of Greece, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Ukraine or Hungary. The assimilation was worse in the last centurie because of the school than in the previous 1000 years.
@@BenLlywelyn if you want to know more look this really interesting documentary made by non romanians historians :th-cam.com/video/m319IgeYaoY/w-d-xo.html
As I remember from school, we were taught that there are about 300 words in Romanian language from Dacian. Here are some of them: varzã, viezure, barzã, grumaz, amurg, bãiat, bãlan, bordei, cãciulã, codru, copil, doinã, mânz, strugure, țarc, murg... As an exercise or just for fun I'd challenge you to translate them. Salutations!
Google translate offers most of them : cabbage, viezure, stork, grumaz, dusk, boy, swan, barn owl, little hat, wood, child, doina, colt, grape, pen, murgu
@@BenLlywelyn OK. I hope this might help:
viezure = badger
grumaz = neck
balan = white (white horse)
bordei = hut
doina (and dor) are words that have no translation in other languages (not exact ones). Doina is a type of folklore song.
murg = brown/reddish (again, it describes the color of a horse)
Have a good one!
GREETINGS from Romania!!👏👏
Cheers!
The romanian vacabulary has less than 1% albanian words. So the romanian - albanian connection is surely exaggerated a lot. Also do not forget that the albanian language was most influenced by latin, so much so that 60% of the albanian vocabulary has latin roots. Because of this the albanian language has many similarities to all latin languages, not only to romanian. Interesting video anyway, like!
Fair point about Italian influence.
that 1% non-latin cognates are enough to suggest a common ancestor or at least an ancient, pre-roman relationship. Especially when the nations are not neighbors and other nations in between do not have such words.
The albanians have a word "vllahu eshte vella' wich means the vlah(romanian) is brother! We know the albanians are our relative, even in school we learnt about this topic "with who are we related?"
@@luciano3270 related ? By how much if less than 1% of the romanian vocabulary is of albanian origin ?
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 In fact, Latin is a technical language, religious languages are built on the basis of autochthonous languages. I can say with conviction that Latin is a disfigured Illyrian &Italic, considering that the founder of the Roman empire was Constantine of Dardania, Iliro-Dardan. The Slavs took Thracian, the Byzantine Greeks took Hellenic, and it is not for nothing that they call Hellenic, Illyrian and Thracian dead languages today. It is normal for languages to have Latin or Slavic influences, above all Dacians, Thracians, Illyrians, Dalmatians, Sardinians, Italians because we are a conquered people but we have never been conquerors, and according to my theory we have been 1 Illyrian race but separated in tribes, with different languages but similar in essence. We should be proud that our languages survived the invasions and were not assimilated 100%. Albanian has nothing to do with the Romance languages, because Albanian is not derived from Latin not is it a technical language but an autochthonous one. When you talk about linguistics it is very important consider the story. Greetings
Do a compare place and person names of proven Dacian origin with Lithuanian. You might be surprised.
Did you know we got a music instrument called cimpoi that is relative with the Scotian music instrument? Maby some relatives there😊!
I did not know that, multumesc.
@koooookiiiiiib12y no bro, it's not hard to understand. The Dacians were spread over an area from the Carpathians, the Black Sea, both to the right (today's Romania) and to the left of the Danube (today's Bulgaria, today's Serbia) and in the Pannonian Plain (today's Hungary). But after the Slavic invasions (after the year 601) especially in today's Bulgaria and Serbia and after the arrival of the Hungarians in the Pannonian Plain (today's Hungary) and part of Transylvania (9th century), they succeeded to some extent in changing the language (the Serbs , Bulgarians, Hungarians, etc.). I say to a certain extent because a good part of the native Dacian populations (today's Vlachs or Aromanians) still kept their mother tongue to a good extent until today. And from here it "lights up": that's why GENETICALLY Romanians have a lot in common (or vice versa) with Serbs, Bulgarians, Hungarians, etc., in fact with the population of ancient Dacia.
We don't know.
Excellent video ❤❤❤! I use to work with Albanians in Kosovo! Common word Bucur means joy or being glad!
Sorry, I can't resist saying a few words, i think they are related to Dacian (Getic) language, or old Europe:
Barac - is an ancient (very ancient i beleive) breed of shepherd dog in Romania (mioritic shepherd dog). Derivative of this name are all over Europe.
Carp - a huge Dacian tribe - Carpathian mountains - many people still have the name Carp in Romania - wood civilization - Carpenter word origin? some of them migrated long time ago, there was a region in Spain named Carpetania.
Turdulii is another Dacian tribe.
-Turda is a city (and somehow a region) in Romania - Some family names: Turda, Turdeanu, Turduleanu ... Sturza.
Sturdy ?
Manecuta, Broscuta, Pisicuta are diminutives for nice little things ( little sleeve, little frog, little cat) > Cute ?
Romanian word oaMENi means men or people.
(or is ori in Romanian by the way)
Balta -means roughly a Lake - Baltic sea? Balaton lake in Hungary.
(no slavic origin, and there are traces of Dacians wandering on Baltic seashores).
Stana (de piatra) in Romanian - in english is Stone (rock) same meaninig - and there are familes names Stone in Romania.
Scapa, scapare, in romanian - escape in english (same meaning).
Albanian Karpe = rock
Munte/ Virf Godeanu, Belongs to God!
Very interesting study
Cheers, thank you.
I'm Romanian born in Canada/Quebec! Is the way you pronounce Dacian right or is is more 'DaCHian' as it would be pronounced in Romanian? Food for thought. Excellent video, thank you!!
I think it is different in different languages. And thank you.
In romanian will be limba daca.(dacian language).
In Romanian is 'DaCHian' .In this video is pronounced in way not recognizable not only in Romanian but in the Balkans. Sorry for being straightforward. It is not pronounced Dessians it sounds like Desi-Indians.
@@carlustin4034 in romana este LIMBA DACA.I should know.I am one.
Only Romanians pronounce Datchian all other say Dacians.
This is so interesting I am English but have some celtic in me, I found learning Romanian easy like it was meant to be, I have also travelled and stayed in Kosovo where they speak Albanian and I saw these similarities without knowing this x
Romanian also has a low number of sounds, which makes it easy to learn.
Most English are ancestrally Celtic although .... Almost all people in Britain Ireland have deep pre Celtic neolithic roots
Super!
Thank you.
I never heard of a Dacian - Illyrian connection ever before, then again I'm only an armchair linguist.
Fair.
I don't think you know too much about "Dacians the bravest people from all Thracians "- Herodot . BTW the language was latin
It is normal for people to disagree.
@@BenLlywelynDacian was not Latin, most of us Romanians know this and don't go for this