Except the fact that we Romanians aren't Dacians, I really enjoyed the video as well. Very educational on the History of the Welsh Dragon, and the Celto-Italic connection that definitely should be more studied on. The Draco of the Wallachian Dynasty of Drăculești is very similar to the one of Wales except that ours is Golden, the name Drăculești means "Dragon you are" or "Of Dragon you are" as Drăcul is the Old Romanian form of Dragon inherited from Latin Draco, and the reason being, Alexandru Aldea the First became part of the "Order of the Dragon" and (not Vlad Dracul, father of Vlad the Third Dracula as many thought).
@@dafi0 You're just a dacopath who lacks any sense of history. Are you a scholar? Where did you graduate? Because what you wrote is not something scholary. 20k years ago there were no Proto-Indo-Europeans in Europe, so how does Pelasgians fit in that year? The archeological proof shows that Proto-Indo-Europeans started migrating all over Europe by around 5000-4000 years ago and Proto-Indo-European is the language that both Proto-Italic, Thracian, Proto-Celtic and Proto-Germanic comes from, and they were not Getians as they were also a Thracian tribe. Secondly, what you are confusing is the theory that Proto-Italic (the ancestor of Latin) comes from the Proto-Indo-Europeans who settled in the Balkans, but this theory is disproved because of the Celto-Italic language showing Proto-Italic coming from the West, and Proto-Italic and Proto-Celtic being sister languages. And by that time, Thracian didn't even exist, because it took a millennia to form. Latin formed from Proto-Italic around 900-800 BC as a dialect in the region of Latium (hence the name Latin), by that time Dacian was forming as a separate Thracian language as well, how can you say that Latin comes from Romania then? Where are the archeological and linguistical proof in that? And the words you are using are unrelated! De-aici has two forms _De_ *+* _Aici_ which has Latin roots, "De" comes from Latin "Dē" and "aici" from Vulgar Latin "ad hīcce" which "hīc" in Latin means "here", in Italian it evolved to "ci". And the other words that you used e.g Gea-ici and Deici are not even in Romanian lmao, I am a Romanian from Oltenia, and you're trying to falsify our history as proud Latin people🤣
Check also the videos titled “Călușul românesc, tradiție și in Anglia”. There are two videos suggesting a Close relationship also between the Morris dancing from England and the Romanian Călușarii Dace. Of course such dances are in more locations from Europe, but the Romanian and the English versions still prezent a very close resemblance.
@@dafi0 in you dreams you dacians fyi dacians disapeard in the 3 century and you vlach arrived in the 13 century after the mongols raviged europe tell me where did yous hide dear romanians for over 1000 years???????????????????????
We even had the luck to be called by the same exonim😂 welsh - wallach, and this by being the ones who were found on the site when others came, having a distinct language and culture. I used to live in Telford, next to Shrewsbury and with my romanian buddies we were doing trips to the Welsh coast through Snowdonia like weekly. We have noticed the geographical similarities and the the similar way of life of the welsh and their pastoral work across those hills, very Transylvanian and Wallachian alike. When we went up North in Cumbria region and Lake District, the chills we've had when we have noticed the even more geografical resemblance were even stronger. I bet any highlanders brought there by the romans felt like home same as we felt the sorrounding. I have also noticed the welsh and cumbrians use and pronounce often the letters 'R' and 'B' in a speciffic way, very familiar to us. I remember we've had a discusion regarding this with my mates.
Well as a Romanian I'm not surprised, we Italics and the Celts have very many similarities, most similarity could come to language as Proto-Italic and Proto-Celtic were part of the Celto-Italic language, I wouldn't be surprised if we are actually one and the same family just that we became separated and now we are mostly cousins. The exonym Vlach/Wallach and Welsh comes from Proto-Germanic Walhaz meaning foreigner or non-germanic just as the Romans and Greeks used the term Barbarian a non-greek or non-roman speaker. But the term Walhaz comes directly from the Celtic tribe Volcae, and the tribe used the name Uolcae meaning hawk or falcon, the Germanics started using this term of Walhaz to Celts but also Romans, and this was passed to Proto-Slavs who started calling us Romanians as well Voloh, because we are also Roman-speakers, and the Greeks adopted this term as well. The Anglo-Saxons who invaded the land of the Brittonics, started calling them also by the exonym Walhaz and that's how we ended up with the same exonym.🇮🇹🏴🇷🇴🏴🙌❤️🔥
@@BenLlywelyn well, you really MUST visit, you already have many videos regarding Romania. I would recommend you go visit the ruins of the sacred Dacian capital, Sarmisegetusa Regia.
Romanian here. Been looking for something like this ever since I was taught about Dacians in the primary school history classes. Thank you for opening up a new door full of opportunities and topics to research!
The draco was the simbol of unity between the biggest tribes of the northern thracians. Davi and Getae. This symbol was the combination of their animal totems and a declaration of their unity.
De la ei incepe traditia asta, da. Dar le vezi si la sud de dunare, erau practic aceleasi popor cu divizii regionale, diviziile mai mult de la terenul accidentat si impadurit, spatiul C.D.P. era in alt univers acum 2000-3000 de ani.
@@BenLlywelynWow, în Română?! Cine ar fi crezut… For the first time in my life I was to find out that there was a Dacian legion in the British Islands and a child called Decebalus was buried there…Amazing. The Dacian Wolf at the other end of Europe with echoes in Wales … Till now all I knew was that a Romanian folk dance called Călușarii it’s called the Morris dance in UK and it’s present in Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Northamptonshire and Warwickshire… and nobody knows how or why… Celts?
@@carteunu467 Huh? If you rely on Google translate you can’t even verify if the translation is correct and in 80% of cases is totally random and wrong and atrocious. Not even Chat GPT is entirely correct or perfect, I tested it, even that needs corrections after. Have you even tried to translate from Chinese with Google?! It’s so bad, you won’t understand a thing, then you can clearly assume it’s the same also the other way around ! This gentleman doesn’t look like that type of guy who would go to Google for a sentence, who watched his video knows English for sure, he didn’t need to use Google. He could have replied in English but he wanted to practice his Romanian, that’s my guess.
Did you know: There is a community in Wales called “glyntraian”, ("traean/traian" being the Welsh for "third"), the only country where Traian is still commonly used as a name is Romania.
You had good intuitions. Yes, there is a connection between the Draco - the battle banner of the Dacians and the Welsh Dragon. As I explained in - Romania, first impressions from Wales - the Dacians fought with the Roman army against the Picts in Scotland. Armed with their specific weapons and carrying their battle flag - DRACO - It is known in the history of England that the Dacian soldiers stayed in England forever with their influences. I wanted to complete historical information about Romania, ancient Dacia, about which nothing is known in the West. . Romania has many extraordinary prehistoric civilizations (see Cucuteni - 7500 years) Ancient but also a fascinating history from the Middle Ages. Thank you for promoting my country. Very good.
This is so weird, because I'm making this character from Dacia based on English kings, for fun, but I feel like I'm not 100% writing the character. There were also oddly specific details about this character that I found in different British characters after I'd added them to this character.
Interesting theory, but you didn't mention the fact that the head of the Dacian Draco was representing the head of a wolf. The Dacian Draco may have been inspired from the Scythians and other neighboring cultures in the east, but it was adapted to their own religion and the wolf was an important totem. So it's kind of strange to me that the Asian Dragon became a serpent with a wolf head and then turned back to a 'proper' dragon in the Wales.
Scythians are not a population from the far East. Little Scythia, the core of Scythian culture was Dobrogea, Romania. Dacians were formed from the older Cucuteni and Yamnaya, Agatârși. From there they went into India were they named themselves "Arians" in Vedas, not the other way around.
@@AnubisMRM still... in reality it's not even a neighboring culture. Scythia was often confused with Dacia. it's says so even in this video. For example the campaign of Darius fighting the "Scythian" Idanthyrsus took place in the same Dacia of the later Dromichaetes.
@@nick-beukan I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm from Romania and I never heard about the confusion between Dacians and the Scythians. The only confusion I know is about the names of the Dacians. Some called them Getae, others Dacians. Scythians were a separate people in the modern day Ukraine.
@@AnubisMRM lots of artefacts from Ukraine are Dacians. Some took the name Messagetae and later Cumans but it's the same civilization Jordanes describes in Getica. Tomyris the queen that killed Cyrus the Great ruled from Tomis Constanta.
I love to listen to these videos but also to read the comments. Am surprised to see so many ppl have an interest in these topics, in language & history.
Very captivating video, it's interesting to find out new common ground between Dacia and Wales, as i have previously thought that they were only marginally connected through a similarity in the historic naming of the peoples Welsh/Vlachs. Thank you for making this video and all the others covering this topic of connection between Wales and Dacia.
I am deeply grateful for this video. Dragons fascinate me & that image you described of the wind filled serpent hissing into battle struck a chord indeed. It's the dragon's mixture of features, part wolf, snake, winged beast, horned, barbed tail....this ancient mythical combination of power & strength yet somehow so graceful. Makes me think of the Sphinx also. Familiar.
I was thinking this past year about the possible connection between the Dacian wolf-headed dragon Draco symbol and the Welsh Dragon symbol so I'm glad you made a video about it!
@@BenLlywelyn Another thing: Before Decebalus and even before the first Dacian king, Burebista (that united the Dacian tribes in Western Romania today/Western Dacia then) Celts from the La Tène culture were already there from the 4th century BC. There is a wikipedia article titled "Celts in Western Romania" that talks about that. The Dacians and Celts fought against each other but other times united to fight a bigger enemy like *ahem* the Romans. So it's very interesting how intertwined the Celts and Dacians were. The Celts arrived in Dacia in the 4th century BC and the Dacians arrived in Britannia in the 2nd century AD as soldiers fighting for Rome.
Ben this is quite interesting, although I am not yet convinced of the link between the Dacian wolf and the Welsh dragon. But, what I find very interesting is Mari Lwyd and Romanian Capra. I would love to see your take on it. Another very intresting tradition that exists in both of our cultures is the Morris Dance and Calusarii in Romania. The common European ancient traditions fascinate me, even though we may not know their significance any more.
Thank you for the clear, engaging, and well researched content. Massive difference, truly stands out and I have a feeling your channel will grow very soon. Keep it up!
I like part 2-3-4 on this subject please,if you can digging dipper into this subject I know you’ll find out more about it,I enjoyed it(I’m Romanian tho) THANK YOU SO MUCH for your effort 😊
@@BenLlywelyn Oh dear the dacian where cremating their deads, also poor autosomal results to make a solid evaluation,In Deva/Romania where discovered at the Huniady castle tombs of premature/ill children maybe here is a chance to find something relable
We Romanians are latins, not Dacians. The Dacians who where a Thracian tribe north of the Danube got destroyed by the Roman army. Italics (e.g Romanians, Italians, French and Spaniards), and the Celts like the Welsh are sisters, the Proto-Italic language and the Proto-Celtic language are related, creating the Celto-Italic language family, that's where the Welsh-Romanian language relationship comes from. We Romanians are in fact descendants of the Thraco-Romans who were a mix of Romanized Thracians and Romans from the Empire, from both sides of the Danube river. The accepted theory in modern day Romania and by some international scholars is the Transdanubian origin, which refers that Proto-Romanians (the Vlachs) comes from both sides of the Danube river. Vlachs by the 7th Century became semi-nomadic pastoralists, and the danube and the mountains weren't seen as boundaries, and that's why we have Vlachs of the Proto-Romanian branch (like Aromanians) in Greece and Romanians in former Roman Dacia called Dacia Traiana.
@@ver_idem Dacians were Thracians, we have found tombs of Thracian rulers from the Odrysian Kingdom who were making burials as the Greeks, because the Odrysians became very Hellenized, there's no link.
@@InAeternumRomaMater we Romanian speak a Romance language and have some Italic DNA, but to presume that all Dacians were destroyed goes against evidence. 1. Not all of Dacia was conquered. There remained the so-called "free Dacians" always attacking. 2. There were Roman Emperors of Dacian origin 3. Do you even know the geography of your own country? There were mountains and thick forests, hard to go everywhere and kill everybody (why would they?). They probably destroyed the capital and their aristocracy. 4. Have you seen the huge statues of Dacians still present in Italy, one even at the Louvre? They are extremely respectful representations of a conquered people. Why commit genocide against a respected opponent? So no, these theories that an entire people was destroyed doesn't hold water.
There is a book titled 'Provincia medievală Dacia din Europa Nordică' meaning 'The medieval province of Dacia in Northern Europe' which might be of interest. Also, the red dragon vs the white dragon thing does sound reminiscing of the Dacians riding into battle carrying the Draco military standard. Hadrian sent or exiled some Dacians to England btw, where they participated to the construction of Hadrian's wall. (oh, you covered that, just now reached that bit). Wow, I learned quite a bit. Great work, well researched.
@@BenLlywelyn the only issue is that it's written in Romanian but with today's technology can turn image to text and just feed it to chatgpt for quick translations. I do that with Old Slavonic chronicles for example.
@@BenLlywelyn Yes I think the Iberian Dragon might be older than the Suebi. The Greeks noted it, I believe, and called the land now Portugal "Ophiussa", the land of the dragons/snakes.
First of all, I'd like to say really nice video. It was a pleasure to watch. :) Now, what I wanted to say about the origins of the Welsh dragon is that as you pointed out, the Welsh dragon is indeed very likely a local variant of the Draco brought by Romans from Dacia. The tale of the white and red dragons could perhaps be reference to the Draco standards used in battle by the Welsh (red Draco) and Saxons (white Draco). What's also interesting is that the last depiction of a Draco standard in Britain comes from the Bayeux tapestry. And there are two of these banners, a red one and a yellow one (or perhaps a white one), shown in King Harold's death scene.
Thank you. The coming of the Normans was indeed the end of an era, and we likely shall never know what was happening with Harold's death scene, but it is a good point none the less.
As an Indian colleague asked, is the dragon in St George & The Dragon the Welsh dragon. That had occurred to me, though I thought St George & The Dragon preceded the dragon crest. The Welsh Dragon flag has been voted the best flag in the world.
See the striking similarities between an ancient Romanian dance of the "Călușari" and Morris dancers from Wales. The "Călușarilor" dance is an ancient ritual dance practiced especially in southern Romania. You'll see striking similarities between the two, both in costume and deployment. Whence this striking resemblance? Search on TH-cam, there are lots of videos about the two dances.
No time for now to watch it all, but Saint George killing the dragon is actually a Roman cavalryman, a draconarius, who puts the draco to the ground and has the horse step on it. Later people forgot about the draco and interpreted the meaning of the icons of Saint George stepping on the draco standard as a horseman stabbing a dragon with the lance, and made up a story about Saint George killing a dragon. That's my take on it. May also point to the Balkan area for several reasons as to why draco was trampled upon. Persecution of Christians by Galerius, who on his arch in Thessaloniki is depicted as guarded by a group of soldiers dressed in typical Sarmatian gear (scale armour, spangenhelms) and holding draco standards. Another thing is what draco came to mean in Balkan romance languages. It initially meant dragon as in Latin, even till later middle ages as seen in the moniker of Vlad Dracul, which meant Vlad the Dragon at that time, then it had a double meaning, it meant devil too. Later the meaning of dragon was lost and only the meaning of devil is present in modern Romanian. Today in Romanian, Vlad Dracul means Vlad the Devil. Suspicious coincidences between the depiction of Saint George, initially having his horse trampling on the draco, as symbol of anti Christian persecution (by Galerius) and the change of meaning in Romanian from dragon to devil. All of these are obviously connected. Also in Romanian there are two expressions that make little sense today, but point to the fact that draco was used as a military standard till medieval times: "a face pe dracu-n patru" and "a face pe dracu' ghem" which both have nothing to do with drac meaning devil or dragon, but can both be explained if drac means flag. So, at some point in old Romanian, drac meant dragon, devil and draco (military standard). I suspect Vlad Dracul may have used draco as a flag, although the theory is he was a member of the Order of the Dragon. IMO, that couldn't have been that visible to earn him that moniker, while him using the draco standard would have been a very different story. There are a few other things to say about this, but that's enough for now.
As for the not yet properly explained connection between Dacians (Getae) and Sarmatian. Firstly Dacians and Sarmatians were close allies in the war against Rome. That's a bit strange, why would Sarmatians get involved in a hopeless war with a Rome at its peak power and against the most powerful army Rome ever gathered, even bringing north Africans (Numidian cavalry, depicted on Trajan's column with dreadlocks), Parthians, basically everything they could possibly gather from Roman Empire and beyond. There's the interesting name of the Dacian capital - Sarmizegetusa, was it maybe in fact a holy place for both Sarmatians and Dacians (Getae)? Maybe the Getae got the Sarmatians converted to the Dacian religion? Dacian religion was quite special, nothing like the typical polytheistic European religious, but more akin to monotheistic religions like Christianity. But more interesting are the accounts of Ovid during his exile in Tomis. He spoke about learning the language of Getae and Sarmatians and seem to refer to the Sarmatians and Getae almost interchangeable. Here's what Ovid wrote in Tristia, book 5: "Are you interested to know what the people round Tomis are like, and the customs of those I live among? Though there’s a mix of Greeks and Getae on this coast, it’s characterised more by the barely civilised Getae. Great hordes of Sarmatians and Getae pass to and fro, along the trails, on horseback.There’s not one among them who doesn’t carry bow, quiver, and arrows pale yellow with viper’s gall; Harsh voices, grim faces, the true image of Mars, neither beard or hair trimmed, hands not slow to deal wounds with the ever-present knife that every barbarian carries, strapped to his side. Alas, dear friend, your poet is living among them".
About Vlad Dracul, he was backed by the germanic crusading order (small) of the dragon. Dragon did not exist so Dracul (Devil) was used instead. Dragon -> Draculea -> Dracul The germans probably went with the drachen award and romanian language tends to colloquialize new words with a 'u' articulation at the end. Drac = devil; Dracu = the Devil As a side note, the patron saint is Saint Andrew who slayed a wyvern (flightless dragon 'balaur' with many heads akin to a hydra) in a cave in Dobrugea (Dobrogea) region, east next to the Black Sea exit.
Bravo Ben Llewelyn for the relentless chase for elucidating the origin of the dragon on your flag! I was wondering about this myself without knowing about the cohort of Dacians moved around to the other end of the empire.
This is so interesting and interconnected Fun fact: I’m Romanian and I recently got my dna test results and it seems like I’m 1% Welsh. I can confirm there’s no one in my family who thought they’re Welsh. Can’t say if it’s a glitch from dnaAncestry or it is indeed authentic PS Romanians call it the ‘Dacian wolf’. Nevertheless, it does resemble a dragon and Romanian does have a word that goes like ‘drac’ which is used for ‘devil’
In Britain the Welsh are one ethnic group with the oldest DNA so if you've got Welsh DNA it is likely because they traveled from Wales/Britain. Equally a lot of British people will have similar DNA due to the Celts never really losing majority population in England as they choose to integrate with leading cultures instead. Crazy things happen in history that could explain it like the founding of New England in Southern Ukraine after 1066. History and movement of people & culture is wild.
I have seen perplexing dragon imagery in Transylvania. I think you are correct about this theory of its origin and have thought the same for many years. Weren't some from the Roman Dacian cohort also stationed at Chester? In terms of appearance, the scythian dragons head is clearly modelled on a wolf and I dont think it quite looks like a chinese dragon.
No way,it can`t be, maybe the gaelic influenced the other ones there are many Caernix remnants founds in former Celtic territoriums and none in Dacian area.
Greetings from Romania! I've just discovered your channel and i fresking love it! 😁. Nice, well put together video with calming voice on the background. Right away when i saw the title of the video I thought about the Dacians who worked at Hadrian's wall 😅.
Very kind. I appreciate your support, and you will have another video out this evening. On Welsh History in the Enlightment this time. More early British / Linguistics next week (I hope!)
@@BenLlywelyn fun fact: the name Dracula comes from the same latin word "Draco". In Romanian "Dracu" means the devil. Vlad the Impaler's father joined the order of the dragon, an Alliance to fight against the muslims, and because of this the common folks in Walchia said that he's Dracu, thus, Vlad the Impaler became Dracula (the son of the devil) 😅.
Maybe ,in the dinotime the teritorium of Romania was part mostly of the Thetis Sea,only 1 a little size dino skeleton was discovered today in the Hateg region which appears to was a island in that time, and the dino structure had just at islandminimalismus like the Flores humans. Dacia flourished mostly in the 2 phases of the La Tene culture which was Gaelic,they produced the Caernyx like wise the dacian/sarmatian dracos depicted on the Column.The Welsh dragon motiv looks alike more as the Babilonian "Irush" found on the Ishtar Gate from excavations from Antic Babylon.But in Chester the antic Deva Victrix was a base of elite cohors of Ravanitates which participated in all 3 dacian wars,maybe the Dracos where instruments to coordinate the archery or to beguille the fiends during the atack.I think on a roman wall was found a draco/dragon motiv,just compare the forms whith both forms of the draco/dragon appearance.
Excellent observation. De facto, the dragon became established as a symbol on the island only in late antiquity. He didn't have to come directly with the Dacians, he could come with any cavalry unit. Draco was the exclusive symbol of cavalry units.
Wow this story it’s amazing! I never thought awe ancestors have so much in common! Now you make a little light in my head and I always wonder where it’s comes from name of Dacorum county! Perhaps you know more about this because Romanian historians don’t aboard this part ! Thank you and I just wait for next video! Take care!
Dacorum is probably from the times of the Romans, it was probably when the Dacorum auxiliary unit was sent from Dacia Traiana to Britannia. And Dacians aren't the ancestors of us Romanians, the Romans are.
@@InAeternumRomaMater don't listen to him, it is dacians and romans. Including the dacians from over the mountains after Transylvania. He is spinning another 1 of the hungarian revisionists theories. Romanians are not claiming to be pure blooded, having assimilated many different peoples (not entire civilizations, just groups that wanted to settle and stop raiding) after the fall of Rome. We treat all minorities as equals. But as a wise man once said, "Absolute freedom can be terrifying to somebody who does not know what to do with it". Before Decebalus, the Dacian kingdom was at its peak during Burebista's unification of the tribes.
@@InAeternumRomaMater Indeed 35% of Romanians look Latin like Rodion Camataru which can be mistaken for Toto Cutugno, but other Romanian have the right of self esteem, and they prefer to be Dacians
Very very interesting. I’m Australian with a Romanian wife (from close by Târgovişte) Had my DNA done, I’ve a small Welsh component, 7%, the rest mainly English , Scottish, Irish and NW Europe. Have been able though to trace part of my ancestry back to Attila the Hun and past. Attila was from Central Asia or what is now Romania. My wife and I were watching a vid on Thrace last which included the Dacians and the Getii. So this vid popped up this morning. Love the presentation style. I couldn’t even begin the try and pronounce Welsh, it’s just something else.
the wolf head made a howling not a hissing sound. cos of the wolf thing you know :p and cos of the pipe shape it would make when the wind blew through it great video thank you!
Romania - Dacia . DRACO- The famous flag with a wolf's head, used by the Dacians on the battlefield .A distinctive characteristic of the Dacian army was represented by their banner of fighting, known as Draco or Dracon . It consisted of a wolf head made of bronze or silver, mounted on a pole, continued by a cloth colored , form a body of dragon or snake, which, in the wind, swell producing a hiss that it had seeks to intimidate the opponents, especially horses inducing a state of nervousness to the enemy army. Representations of this standard can be found on a number of ancient monuments such as Trajan's Column with the Dacian wars (Rome, Italy), Monument Adamclisi (Romania) and the Arch of Galerius (Thessaloniki, Greece). Starting with the 2nd century AD, the Dacian battle flag will be taken over by a series of cavalry units of the Roman army and used for a long time. The flag was worn by a military -draconarius. Ammianus Marcelinus in ''Rerum gestarum '', when describing Constantine the Great's entrance to Rome, tells how they "gathered around the dragonians , bound with the golden peaks and encased in the gleaming stones of the spears, swollen by a great wind, and so whistling, letting the long tails waving in the wind. " The Dacian Flag - DRACO - we meet until the Middle Ages. Draco was generally introduced in the fourth century as a standard of the Roman armies brought by the Dacian soldiers. Draco's troopers were called Draconarius. Constantine put the Christian symbol on the military insignia instead of the dragon. Sometimes the ancient symbol is found next to the Christian, the dragon being placed under the cross. The Knights of the Carolingian Dynasty adopted the Dacian Flag from the Roman Empire and carried it along the 8th-10th centuries. Draco also probably lived in Britain Anglo-Saxon due to the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Even today, the red dragon appears on the national flag of Wales. The Dacians-Draco battle flag has conquered Europe. Romania is Dacia . '' King Arthur in the battle with the dragon. '' L'Histoire de Merlin of Robert de Boron (14th C.)(www.fectio.org.uk/articles/draco.htm - Painting - Castle Edingburgh - around 600 AC. (Http://www.edinburghcastle.gov.uk/explore-the-castle/timeline): The Bayeux Tapestry showin the'' Dragon of Wessex '' at the battle of Hastings. 1066 . Etc.
You have great intuition, considering you are dealing with very foggy history, that is broken into a thousand pieces and at best we have 1% surviving. To even sniff what really happened, one must have a mind unclouded by nationalism and any other bias and have a lot of free time, passion, great memory, have knowledge of several languages etc. But no professional historian can be like that, they are all biased and make politics more than science.
Greetings from Romania. Very interesting! Another item that came to the West from the Dacians is the Phrygian cap also known as liberty hat, that you can now find on The Seal of US Senate and national symbols of several countries in South America. i'm sure you can find it in Wales too, but I'm very curious what would be the first occurrence of that.
@@BenLlywelyn Sheep herding and thus wool are to modern days very popular given the geography. Same with goats. These 2 are also genetically bread and exported into the Middle East for their specific climate needs.
I think the Phrygian cap like the Dragon rode in on horseback from the Steppes in Northern China. The dragon was regarded as a lucky totem for 1000s of years in China. There was also a belief that keeping you hair intact would provide immortality or at least a ticket to rebirth. They would braid their hair & stack it up on top their heads in a top knot or shove it all under their Phrygian cap. vladn was shortened to lad or laddy in Britain.
@@gordbolton27 I did not imply it was invented by Dacians, but that got to Rome and beyond after the conquest. It might have come from Persia, but no one knows for sure.
@@BenLlywelyn its a UNESCO site as well. Given the climate, roman burning (to make a point) and very harsh dark ages it truly is a testament of good Dacian building engineering.
You should make a video about the leek too , and corelate with the leek cultural importance in Romania region of Oltenia. And maybe there are other places where leek is culturally important also.
Great video, watched the whole thing - it does reinforce my own research I did about 7 years ago into the foundations of the Red Dragon!! So well done!! But don't stop at Wales my friend, the Red Dragon lives on, and has always lived on, and is a lot closer than you think. I can't believe you missed the most important Roman City, still guarded to this day by the Dragons. Hint: A replica of one stands at Lake Havasu in Arizona, USA for our American friends! 💪💪💪
It is said that the cloth pieces atop spears had a practical use: they were wind direction indicators for archers to adjust their aim in battle, and they indeed originate from the Scythian cavalry archers.
I enjoyed the presentation! We Romanians pronounce the land of the Dacians as Dah-Chi-uns because ci comes from Latin pronounced “Ch” think of the Italian word : Ciao. Ci=Ch for English speaking people to pronounce. My name Dacia honors my ancestors and it was lovely for you to highlight the history of these ancient people and the lands they were sent to by Rome. We now honor our conquered so to speak and the land is now called Romania with the language completely Latin and quite similar to Italian even though Romania is surrounding my Slavic nations and of course Turkey which also has its influence in the area.
Multumesc. I am glad you enjoyed the video and I hope to learn more about your country to make further videos on this interesting history. ne vedem data viitoare.
Would it be possible to get the story of the pipes (Scottland)? In Romania it is a traditional instrument (cimpoi) except that there are more versions, I've seen a wooden one! How can it be that 2 regions so far away developed such a unique instrument?
Pipes in various forms are / were common to upland Europe from the Carpathians, through the Alps and across the Pyrannees and to Galicia. With it extending up the coast through Wales and Scotland too.
Great video! Interestingly, Vlad the Impaler or Dracul had the dragon as a banner, the dragon that eats its own tale. It is known that he's the direct ancestor of the current English King, Charles. Most people don't know that his actual local name was Dragul, which means the beloved rather than the devil - Dracul.
Thank you. Vlad lived an astoundingly active, resilient life of dramatic ups and downs, and he is not known enough for his actual self, not the monster with his name.
I love your incursions into the long forgotten past and cannot remember the last time I was captivated by a monologue. Maybe the Dacians only gave the Welsh the idea of a dragon and the Welsh „made” their own. Since the Dacian dragon was more of a serpentine wolf (which some say it represents the Carpathians) after being adopted from the Scythians (the Dacians also had migrated westwards from the steppes centuries earlier), I don't think the Welsh Dragon is our Balaur. The „red” and „white” dragons / warlords caught my attention though. Whatever reached us from Dacian spirituality and symbolism is embedded with this red and white duality. I don't know what it meant exactly and it's hard to tell the truth from the many speculations. Romanians and Bulgarians celebrate Mărțișor on the 1st of March when you see red and white braids / lines everywhere. Maybe the red and white dragons represent the Britts and the Saxons but maybe this image is also an unconscious echo of something much older.
My first thought was also about the romanian 'Martisor' and 'Marte', the roman god of war and 'Maris' the agrarian etruscan god. Also planet Mars is redish as the blood shed. From the month of March the nature comes back to life, red flowers are blossoming, a new year starts with a new sezon of wars and agriculture... The white colour might simbol the light and the new year ahead stained with the red of the sacrifices made for the god Marte, this commencing from the 1st of March...
Wrong răzvan, I am as well a Romanian and we Romanians are latins not Dacians. The Welsh dragon is from the Romans probably, but also from Welsh mythology too. The Romanian word Dragon is borrowed, but in the Old Romanian language it was Dracu from Latin Draco, and same happened in Welsh with the word even tho Romanian is a latin language and welsh is not. It just seems both Romanian and Welsh dragons are of Roman origin, but the Roman dragons comes from other Ancient cultures
Hello there. Uhh, first of all, the draco (dacian wolf) is certainly a Wolf and not a dragon, though at the naked eye you may confuse them. Second of all, it does not represent the Carpathians, it is a religious symbol similar to Odin's Ravens. It is said that Zamolxe has two wolves accompanying him.
Bannau. Interesting? Banat region is partially hilly. But might be coincidental, through Caras (Carash) Severin county is highland (south western Romania)
Banat is named after a "ban", leader of a Hungarian southern border region, equivalent of Germanic march, while ban was something like a marquess. Origin of the word may be Bulgar or Avar.
@@BenLlywelyn Romania actually has all forms of geography (fields, swamps, deltas, lakes, hot springs [lots of untapped geothermal in Banat region just because], much salt caves [salinele], hills, mountains [some inactive muddy volcanoes among them], the old eroded mountains in Dobrugea, sea, lots of rivers). Now, since glorious communism days, and modern neglect and global warming, we also got desert. (not the Sahara yet, in Baragan). You name it, we have it, if not able to receive tourists other than small individual ventures.
there were 3 Dacian units, most of them called Aelia Dacorum militaria. who were actually Auxiliaries because they never wore the uniform of a Roman legionnaire, nor the weapons, and the Banner was not borrowed "from the Scythians, or Sarmatians or Parthians, although they were of Iranian origin, they were in contact with the Indo-European populations are Traces on the Persian border, there being another union of Geti tribes, Massageti, so if the Geti were Thracians, Scythians, the Sarmatians were more related than some want to admit
The dragon kethos was shown in a colored drawing by the Ossetians who are the grandchildren of the Scythians who speak the only iranic or Aryan language in the Caucasus. All the consonants and vowels are the same as in Romanian except -î-.i listened carefully for consonant quality or exact spot of forming the consonant and yes they are the same as in Romanian. The first sylables carved on pottery were found in Samothrace were discovered in 1948 on Samothrace the island for Orpheic initiations. I chanced upon a few volumes of the work on the archeology of the late 40' s. There are a number of important words in Romanian that are purely Sanskrit as they should be since the Iranics to the E and W of the Caspian were Vedic according to the renown Frits Staal author of Discovering the Vedas.
Can you please make a video comparing the Căluşari dance with the Morris dance? Are they related? The Căluşari (horsemen) dance is an ancient dance performed only by men, with warlike movements, using initially swords but now staff, and believed to have magical healing properties, especially for diseases brought about by the "iele", powerful female deities. It is only performed in a certain period of the year by a close knit group of men taking certain vows before, led by a foreman and the "mute", one member that doesn't speak.
@@BenLlywelyn because some say the Morris dance was brought over to Britain by the Dacian legions stationed there. th-cam.com/video/1wuUc9SD2nw/w-d-xo.html or th-cam.com/video/qZDtKbrfedc/w-d-xo.html
It is very interesting that the Dacian flag is actually the head of a wolf! The wolf was an important part of Dacian spirituality because it has the wisdom of nature! You also have a lot of mythology and lore about the free wolves in many parts of Britain. But hey, you know myths, they are evolving, and if you add any sort of institutional influence, they will transform a bit, to fit different narratives (the legs could be 4 regions or 4 kings). Indeed the red-white paradigm is something you find in the old Dacian regions even today, in various forms mostly related to solar traditions. Good job!
Thank you for all the work you put into this videos! Very educational! Yes! I think they missed the dragon in Romanian Coat of Arms ! Was more important the respect for Roman heritage even we were conquered! And Decebalus is our Hero!
Maybe retconed by romans (the Romulus and Remus thing), but the idea with that 'dragon with a wolf head' was not about the looks in battle, but about the fact that it howled like a wolf and thus spook the opposing forces in battle. The word from draco, dracu means devil and not dragon. As a side note, if the germans are the wolf and the russians the bear, then the romanised geats/dacians/geto-dacians/geto-thracians are the hog as that is also a symbol. In Romanian forests we still have a lot of hogs (wild pigs) and they do create problems with our domestic pig farm industry. In romanian common culture we like to use the phrase 'I will go down wrapped around your neck' just as the fight in the forest between a hog and a bear (also in abundance) ends with both the hog and the bear K.O. The hog looses its spine and the bear gets a hole in the middle.
There are old Dacian/Roman myths around the wolves of Dacia. Here in Romania we have a giant bread of dogs, the Carphatian Shepards. As the myth goes, romans were afraid to enter the forrests as big packs and massive dogs would destroy them and protect the Dacian people. The word "zmeu" means 2 things. It is a dacian/thracian/slavic word meaning devil, but also means kite. So we can imagine that "zmeu" is a force of evil maybe that flies. So that kinda how the dacian draco got created, the powerful spirit of the carpathian shepards that flies alongside the warriors guiding and empowering them in fights. And there is also the myth of the great thracian empire that almost stretched to Germany and thats how the celtic culture and thracian/dacian culture got mixed up. So another myth got created, of the spirits of the forrest that protect the people of the said region. As in Rome, same as Dacian culture, they were raised by this powerful wolf like spirits "zmeu".
There is another possible cultural connection between the old Romanian / Dacian civilization and Britain , the Morris dance . In Romanian "moriscá" has the meaning of windmill but also "turning around" , there are lots of similarities between the British dancers and the Romanian dancers ( the Romanian dance called "calusari" is older than the Roman conquest of Dacia and probably is of Dacian origin ) , the sticks , the bells at their feet and the clothing to a certain extent , the music I don't know it is up to the Britons to detect the similar nuances if there are any . Just remember that the British ensembles are amateurs while those from Romania are professional dancers : th-cam.com/video/gar-h8VRs28/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/g7QdQ8R5BUU/w-d-xo.html
I bumped into your videos by chance as I was searching for other material as I was publishing my latest video www.youtube.com/@SUNCOASTSTUDIO. Your videos are very interesting and I think you are onto something very profound regarding the connections between the Welsh and the Dacians. Also, in addition to your astute analysis, thinking out of he box I find your sense of humor particularly funny and enjoyable! Lee
@@BenLlywelyn Thank you Ben. I really appreciate your comments! You are an interesting fellow with an unusual background and 'take on life', and will continue o follow your work and see where it leads! If you find your way to Brasov, Romania or Tampa Bay, Florida, I will buy you that coffee!
Ammianus, at xvi, 39, mentions the Imperial standard - 'per purpureum signum draconis summitati hastae longioris aptatum' ( the image of a red dragon affixed at the head of a long lance'). Interestingly, in the 'Notitia', the insignia of the 'Seguntienses' is two red serpents intertwined by the tail[s. Apart from a single alternative once put forward , the Seguntienses have been = convincingly, in my opinion - identified with the garrison of Segontium, the naval fort on Ynys Mon and guardian of the 'Western Approaches'. The Seguntienses are found, late, stationed as Palatine troops in Illyricum, and the interesting suggestion was made long ago (by Wade-Evans an early hero of mine) that this was the garrison (or remainder thereof) which had followed Maximus up until his 388n defeat, at Aquileia. Considering Maximus' British command and his associations in Welsh literature, the image of two red serpents intertwined and connected with Segontium is certainly thought-provoking.
It is noteworthy. And we still don't know exactly why Cunedda's people invaded Gwynedd and focused on that area. Some symbol of prestige perhaps which we have lost connected to Rome and serpents / dragons?
@@cristibrad6742 Ban also means ruller. Mihai the Brave was Ban of Craiova. So Ban can be similar as Voievod which also means Ruller (originally a slavic word, in bulgarian means commander of army).Voievod = ruler, Voievodat = area ruled by a ruler. The same with Ban = ruler, Banat = area ruled by a ruler. What is very interesting about this ruler is that he was able to reunite Dacian lands (not the first one to do so although they don't mention in the history books) in 1600, also being descendant of both Stefan III the Great as well as Vlad Tepes (the Impaler). With that legacy he was bound to be a great ruler. The first one to unite Valahia, Transilvania and Moldova was an italian general named Battista Castaldo which called himself "Daciae Restitutori Optimo".
This dragon 🐉 is a marine monster and is called kethos in Greek. Kit in Russian is Whale. Cetacean is based on kethos. Both Scythians and Thracians in the south of Thrace had an opening to.the sea. Thracians were a maritime power until 600 + BCE mentions a book about the Ancient Greeks published in Britain.
Ben, in Romanian the popular name for dragon is BALAUR. in some old novels apears also as ZMEU. both comes, according academy, from slavonic. but… loook at my name - DRAGOI. people think that my name originated from DRAG - “beloved” in slavonic. but if you use a translation app , and use romanian BALAUR , you got exactly DRAGOI in albanian.
ZMEU or Zmij is a serpent, mostly used in east slavic, it can also mean a dragon. In west slavic it is just a serpent, snake. DRAGOI is somthing different it is draGoy, not drakoy. In west slavic DRAHY - beloved. also it means "expensive" or "precious" Dragoi is a eastern version where they dont use H. BALAUR is a surprise for me. I have never come across with this word in slavic. BTW. The translators on the internet can be tricky and its better to confirm the translation in other places.
@@sorindr Blavor is also a snake. Actualy Blavor is a reptile with no legs a fake snake. Somehow we got snakes all around except the west slavic where dragon is a dragon and snakes are snakes.
Celts and Dacians lived together. It is said that Burebista conquered the Celts. Genetically speaking, Romanians are much closer to Irish and Welsh than to Latins. The Latins are much shorter in Spain, southern Italy or Portugal compared to the other "Latin brothers", the Romanians😂
Exactly ! people will do what is easier, human nature, Romans will not invent words most likely will make it Latin the native word or name, Latinization , it happened in Dacia too. The Horse the Wheel and Language by David Anthony. The shorter the simpler words are the oldest, in the beginning people didn’t need to invent complicated long words, simple short words with repeated syllables are more meaningful: mama, tata, da, dada, taur, vaca, boii, cal, rota car, etc. Later in time , maybe to differentiate languages people will add more nuances, change sounds etc the languages will become more and more educated.
The Great Orme peninsula, home of the world’s largest pregistoric copper mine, on the North Wales coast is also a dragon (Viking ‘orm’) but what was it called before the Vikings arrived?
It seems I remember reading that the Red Dragon, besides being the banner of the Dacian cavalry in Britain, was the coat of arms of Cunedda Vledig/Guletic who came down into Gwynedd from Manau Gododdin. Was this a historical revision? It seems I recall warleaders referred to as "Dragon," beyond the well known Uther Pendragon. Also, Cunedda's grandfather was a Roman officer in the North, "Paternus of the Red Cloak." I think Ceretic Guletic of Alt Clut also descended from a Roman officer.
Thank you. We don't know exactly with Cunedda. But his descendent using it whilst claiming right to rule over the Hen Ogledd (Old North) may - or may not be - indicative of the Red Dragon being older in his line.
Fascinating, absorbing, educating and very well presented!! I enjoyed that!
Glad you enjoued that Jonsey. Croeso.
Except the fact that we Romanians aren't Dacians, I really enjoyed the video as well. Very educational on the History of the Welsh Dragon, and the Celto-Italic connection that definitely should be more studied on. The Draco of the Wallachian Dynasty of Drăculești is very similar to the one of Wales except that ours is Golden, the name Drăculești means "Dragon you are" or "Of Dragon you are" as Drăcul is the Old Romanian form of Dragon inherited from Latin Draco, and the reason being, Alexandru Aldea the First became part of the "Order of the Dragon" and (not Vlad Dracul, father of Vlad the Third Dracula as many thought).
@@dafi0 You're just a dacopath who lacks any sense of history. Are you a scholar? Where did you graduate? Because what you wrote is not something scholary. 20k years ago there were no Proto-Indo-Europeans in Europe, so how does Pelasgians fit in that year? The archeological proof shows that Proto-Indo-Europeans started migrating all over Europe by around 5000-4000 years ago and Proto-Indo-European is the language that both Proto-Italic, Thracian, Proto-Celtic and Proto-Germanic comes from, and they were not Getians as they were also a Thracian tribe.
Secondly, what you are confusing is the theory that Proto-Italic (the ancestor of Latin) comes from the Proto-Indo-Europeans who settled in the Balkans, but this theory is disproved because of the Celto-Italic language showing Proto-Italic coming from the West, and Proto-Italic and Proto-Celtic being sister languages. And by that time, Thracian didn't even exist, because it took a millennia to form. Latin formed from Proto-Italic around 900-800 BC as a dialect in the region of Latium (hence the name Latin), by that time Dacian was forming as a separate Thracian language as well, how can you say that Latin comes from Romania then? Where are the archeological and linguistical proof in that?
And the words you are using are unrelated! De-aici has two forms _De_ *+* _Aici_ which has Latin roots, "De" comes from Latin "Dē" and "aici" from Vulgar Latin "ad hīcce" which "hīc" in Latin means "here", in Italian it evolved to "ci". And the other words that you used e.g Gea-ici and Deici are not even in Romanian lmao, I am a Romanian from Oltenia, and you're trying to falsify our history as proud Latin people🤣
Check also the videos titled “Călușul românesc, tradiție și in Anglia”. There are two videos suggesting a Close relationship also between the Morris dancing from England and the Romanian Călușarii Dace. Of course such dances are in more locations from Europe, but the Romanian and the English versions still prezent a very close resemblance.
@@dafi0 in you dreams you dacians fyi dacians disapeard in the 3 century and you vlach arrived in the 13 century after the mongols raviged europe tell me where did yous hide dear romanians for over 1000 years???????????????????????
We even had the luck to be called by the same exonim😂 welsh - wallach, and this by being the ones who were found on the site when others came, having a distinct language and culture.
I used to live in Telford, next to Shrewsbury and with my romanian buddies we were doing trips to the Welsh coast through Snowdonia like weekly. We have noticed the geographical similarities and the the similar way of life of the welsh and their pastoral work across those hills, very Transylvanian and Wallachian alike. When we went up North in Cumbria region and Lake District, the chills we've had when we have noticed the even more geografical resemblance were even stronger. I bet any highlanders brought there by the romans felt like home same as we felt the sorrounding.
I have also noticed the welsh and cumbrians use and pronounce often the letters 'R' and 'B' in a speciffic way, very familiar to us. I remember we've had a discusion regarding this with my mates.
That is intriguing as I have not been to Romania.
Well as a Romanian I'm not surprised, we Italics and the Celts have very many similarities, most similarity could come to language as Proto-Italic and Proto-Celtic were part of the Celto-Italic language, I wouldn't be surprised if we are actually one and the same family just that we became separated and now we are mostly cousins. The exonym Vlach/Wallach and Welsh comes from Proto-Germanic Walhaz meaning foreigner or non-germanic just as the Romans and Greeks used the term Barbarian a non-greek or non-roman speaker. But the term Walhaz comes directly from the Celtic tribe Volcae, and the tribe used the name Uolcae meaning hawk or falcon, the Germanics started using this term of Walhaz to Celts but also Romans, and this was passed to Proto-Slavs who started calling us Romanians as well Voloh, because we are also Roman-speakers, and the Greeks adopted this term as well. The Anglo-Saxons who invaded the land of the Brittonics, started calling them also by the exonym Walhaz and that's how we ended up with the same exonym.🇮🇹🏴🇷🇴🏴🙌❤️🔥
@@BenLlywelyn well, you really MUST visit, you already have many videos regarding Romania. I would recommend you go visit the ruins of the sacred Dacian capital, Sarmisegetusa Regia.
Vlah = vorbitor de latine. Un nume dat celor ce au fost odata parte din Imperiul Roman.
@@chifanradu2411 thats more like it
Romanian here. Been looking for something like this ever since I was taught about Dacians in the primary school history classes. Thank you for opening up a new door full of opportunities and topics to research!
Ma bucur ca te-am asistat.
The draco was the simbol of unity between the biggest tribes of the northern thracians.
Davi and Getae.
This symbol was the combination of their animal totems and a declaration of their unity.
Daci?
Davi. Daci au fost dupa.
@@gaustafr8905 Dar Davi/dava insemna si oras sau cetate mai tarziu in limba dacilor, nu?
De la ei incepe traditia asta, da.
Dar le vezi si la sud de dunare, erau practic aceleasi popor cu divizii regionale, diviziile mai mult de la terenul accidentat si impadurit, spatiul C.D.P. era in alt univers acum 2000-3000 de ani.
and the Iliriyans the Iliriyans are them selfs a thracian tribes
apreciez istoricul relatând de țara mea. îți mulțumim pentru eforturile tale
Apreciez că vizionați videoclipul.
Noi nu suntem Daci @kaneqhomme4367, noi suntem latini. Încetați să ne falsificați istoria noastră, dacopaților
@@BenLlywelynWow, în Română?!
Cine ar fi crezut…
For the first time in my life I was to find out that there was a Dacian legion in the British Islands and a child called Decebalus was buried there…Amazing.
The Dacian Wolf at the other end of Europe with echoes in Wales … Till now all I knew was that a Romanian folk dance called Călușarii it’s called the Morris dance in UK and it’s present in Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Northamptonshire and Warwickshire… and nobody knows how or why…
Celts?
Google translate helps you speak even Chinese 😉
@@carteunu467 Huh?
If you rely on Google translate you can’t even verify if the translation is correct and in 80% of cases is totally random and wrong and atrocious.
Not even Chat GPT is entirely correct or perfect, I tested it, even that needs corrections after.
Have you even tried to translate from Chinese with Google?!
It’s so bad, you won’t understand a thing, then you can clearly assume it’s the same also the other way around !
This gentleman doesn’t look like that type of guy who would go to Google for a sentence, who watched his video knows English for sure, he didn’t need to use Google. He could have replied in English but he wanted to practice his Romanian, that’s my guess.
What a gem of a channel! Glad TH-cam recommended it. Thank you for passing the knowledge, Sir!
Very kind indeed. Diolch. Thanks.
Did you know: There is a community in Wales called “glyntraian”, ("traean/traian" being the Welsh for "third"), the only country where Traian is still commonly used as a name is Romania.
Fascinating. Also a Traian... Former Romanian president Traian Băsescu.
Bassescu, like Bassarab, the Bessy leader of Transdanubian Vlahians.@@BenLlywelyn
Transylvania?
You had good intuitions. Yes, there is a connection between the Draco - the battle banner of the Dacians and the Welsh Dragon. As I explained in - Romania, first impressions from Wales - the Dacians fought with the Roman army against the Picts in Scotland. Armed with their specific weapons and carrying their battle flag - DRACO - It is known in the history of England that the Dacian soldiers stayed in England forever with their influences.
I wanted to complete historical information about Romania, ancient Dacia, about which nothing is known in the West. . Romania has many extraordinary prehistoric civilizations (see Cucuteni - 7500 years) Ancient but also a fascinating history from the Middle Ages. Thank you for promoting my country. Very good.
You are welcome.
Thank you for speaking about my country!! Bravo 👏👏
yes it is and fun fact, dont be surprised if u find out during your reserches that King Arthur was actually and Dacian officer/Knight ;)
This is so weird, because I'm making this character from Dacia based on English kings, for fun, but I feel like I'm not 100% writing the character. There were also oddly specific details about this character that I found in different British characters after I'd added them to this character.
Interesting theory, but you didn't mention the fact that the head of the Dacian Draco was representing the head of a wolf. The Dacian Draco may have been inspired from the Scythians and other neighboring cultures in the east, but it was adapted to their own religion and the wolf was an important totem. So it's kind of strange to me that the Asian Dragon became a serpent with a wolf head and then turned back to a 'proper' dragon in the Wales.
Scythians are not a population from the far East. Little Scythia, the core of Scythian culture was Dobrogea, Romania. Dacians were formed from the older Cucuteni and Yamnaya, Agatârși. From there they went into India were they named themselves "Arians" in Vedas, not the other way around.
@@nick-beukan I said "neighboring cultures in the east" as in cultures east of Dacia. Where did I mention the "far East"?
@@AnubisMRM still... in reality it's not even a neighboring culture. Scythia was often confused with Dacia. it's says so even in this video. For example the campaign of Darius fighting the "Scythian" Idanthyrsus took place in the same Dacia of the later Dromichaetes.
@@nick-beukan I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm from Romania and I never heard about the confusion between Dacians and the Scythians. The only confusion I know is about the names of the Dacians. Some called them Getae, others Dacians. Scythians were a separate people in the modern day Ukraine.
@@AnubisMRM lots of artefacts from Ukraine are Dacians. Some took the name Messagetae and later Cumans but it's the same civilization Jordanes describes in Getica. Tomyris the queen that killed Cyrus the Great ruled from Tomis Constanta.
I love to listen to these videos but also to read the comments. Am surprised to see so many ppl have an interest in these topics, in language & history.
There is a need in our time for a sense of connection, identity and. roots.
Very captivating video, it's interesting to find out new common ground between Dacia and Wales, as i have previously thought that they were only marginally connected through a similarity in the historic naming of the peoples Welsh/Vlachs. Thank you for making this video and all the others covering this topic of connection between Wales and Dacia.
Glad you liked it. Your viewership is appreciated.
This makes sense, also ties in with my bronze age Ukrainian and Romanian DNA, I'm Welsh 😁🏴
I am deeply grateful for this video. Dragons fascinate me & that image you described of the wind filled serpent hissing into battle struck a chord indeed. It's the dragon's mixture of features, part wolf, snake, winged beast, horned, barbed tail....this ancient mythical combination of power & strength yet somehow so graceful. Makes me think of the Sphinx also. Familiar.
Cicero said gratitude is the parent of all virtues. Thank you.
it didn't hiss, it howled, you know like a wolf. Think of a flute, but on a larger scale. It couldn't have hissed...
Thank you @@chrisrosenkreuz23 , that sounds much better in my imaginings.
I was thinking this past year about the possible connection between the Dacian wolf-headed dragon Draco symbol and the Welsh Dragon symbol so I'm glad you made a video about it!
Diolch / Thank you Rhiannon.
@@BenLlywelyn Another thing: Before Decebalus and even before the first Dacian king, Burebista (that united the Dacian tribes in Western Romania today/Western Dacia then) Celts from the La Tène culture were already there from the 4th century BC. There is a wikipedia article titled "Celts in Western Romania" that talks about that. The Dacians and Celts fought against each other but other times united to fight a bigger enemy like *ahem* the Romans. So it's very interesting how intertwined the Celts and Dacians were. The Celts arrived in Dacia in the 4th century BC and the Dacians arrived in Britannia in the 2nd century AD as soldiers fighting for Rome.
Ben this is quite interesting, although I am not yet convinced of the link between the Dacian wolf and the Welsh dragon. But, what I find very interesting is Mari Lwyd and Romanian Capra. I would love to see your take on it. Another very intresting tradition that exists in both of our cultures is the Morris Dance and Calusarii in Romania. The common European ancient traditions fascinate me, even though we may not know their significance any more.
That is quite interesting. Probably a pre-Roman hang over that was common across Europe and several inter-linked cultures.
Great video. Very informative. Thank you!
Very welcome..Cheers!
Thank you for the clear, engaging, and well researched content. Massive difference, truly stands out and I have a feeling your channel will grow very soon.
Keep it up!
Thank you for your kindness and offering. It is appreciated. And the channel is growing! :)
@@BenLlywelyn I know, I didn't put it too well. I meant blowing up! Growing it sure already is :) all the best!
Thank you.
Very interesting info. about the Dacians.
Diolch Melys.
Amazing info i didn't know... many thanks from a romanian brother!❤
Glad you liked it.
I like part 2-3-4 on this subject please,if you can digging dipper into this subject I know you’ll find out more about it,I enjoyed it(I’m Romanian tho) THANK YOU SO MUCH for your effort 😊
Te apreciez.
I would be proud if the Romanians and the Welsh had a common drop of Dacian blood!
No doubt there were some exchanges.
@@BenLlywelyn Oh dear the dacian where cremating their deads, also poor autosomal results to make a solid evaluation,In Deva/Romania where discovered at the Huniady castle tombs of premature/ill children maybe here is a chance to find something relable
We Romanians are latins, not Dacians. The Dacians who where a Thracian tribe north of the Danube got destroyed by the Roman army. Italics (e.g Romanians, Italians, French and Spaniards), and the Celts like the Welsh are sisters, the Proto-Italic language and the Proto-Celtic language are related, creating the Celto-Italic language family, that's where the Welsh-Romanian language relationship comes from. We Romanians are in fact descendants of the Thraco-Romans who were a mix of Romanized Thracians and Romans from the Empire, from both sides of the Danube river. The accepted theory in modern day Romania and by some international scholars is the Transdanubian origin, which refers that Proto-Romanians (the Vlachs) comes from both sides of the Danube river. Vlachs by the 7th Century became semi-nomadic pastoralists, and the danube and the mountains weren't seen as boundaries, and that's why we have Vlachs of the Proto-Romanian branch (like Aromanians) in Greece and Romanians in former Roman Dacia called Dacia Traiana.
@@ver_idem Dacians were Thracians, we have found tombs of Thracian rulers from the Odrysian Kingdom who were making burials as the Greeks, because the Odrysians became very Hellenized, there's no link.
@@InAeternumRomaMater we Romanian speak a Romance language and have some Italic DNA, but to presume that all Dacians were destroyed goes against evidence. 1. Not all of Dacia was conquered. There remained the so-called "free Dacians" always attacking. 2. There were Roman Emperors of Dacian origin 3. Do you even know the geography of your own country? There were mountains and thick forests, hard to go everywhere and kill everybody (why would they?). They probably destroyed the capital and their aristocracy. 4. Have you seen the huge statues of Dacians still present in Italy, one even at the Louvre? They are extremely respectful representations of a conquered people. Why commit genocide against a respected opponent? So no, these theories that an entire people was destroyed doesn't hold water.
There is a book titled 'Provincia medievală Dacia din Europa Nordică' meaning 'The medieval province of Dacia in Northern Europe' which might be of interest.
Also, the red dragon vs the white dragon thing does sound reminiscing of the Dacians riding into battle carrying the Draco military standard. Hadrian sent or exiled some Dacians to England btw, where they participated to the construction of Hadrian's wall. (oh, you covered that, just now reached that bit).
Wow, I learned quite a bit. Great work, well researched.
Sounds useful.
@@BenLlywelyn the only issue is that it's written in Romanian but with today's technology can turn image to text and just feed it to chatgpt for quick translations. I do that with Old Slavonic chronicles for example.
Very interesting history. Great presentation.
A Dragon also reached Iberia, as the Suebi kingdom flag shows a Green Dragon and a Red Lion.
The Suebi did travel a long way.
@@BenLlywelyn Yes I think the Iberian Dragon might be older than the Suebi. The Greeks noted it, I believe, and called the land now Portugal "Ophiussa", the land of the dragons/snakes.
First of all, I'd like to say really nice video. It was a pleasure to watch. :)
Now, what I wanted to say about the origins of the Welsh dragon is that as you pointed out, the Welsh dragon is indeed very likely a local variant of the Draco brought by Romans from Dacia. The tale of the white and red dragons could perhaps be reference to the Draco standards used in battle by the Welsh (red Draco) and Saxons (white Draco). What's also interesting is that the last depiction of a Draco standard in Britain comes from the Bayeux tapestry. And there are two of these banners, a red one and a yellow one (or perhaps a white one), shown in King Harold's death scene.
Thank you. The coming of the Normans was indeed the end of an era, and we likely shall never know what was happening with Harold's death scene, but it is a good point none the less.
@@BenLlywelyn Yeah, what I found interesting is that the Draco standards were still in use at that point.
Thank you for your very good study!
A pleasure!
As an Indian colleague asked, is the dragon in St George & The Dragon the Welsh dragon.
That had occurred to me, though I thought St George & The Dragon preceded the dragon crest.
The Welsh Dragon flag has been voted the best flag in the world.
Nope - The Dragonand it’s use in Wales pre-dates the story of St.George.
See the striking similarities between an ancient Romanian dance of the "Călușari" and Morris dancers from Wales. The "Călușarilor" dance is an ancient ritual dance practiced especially in southern Romania. You'll see striking similarities between the two, both in costume and deployment. Whence this striking resemblance?
Search on TH-cam, there are lots of videos about the two dances.
Across Europe there are such similarities. Morris Dancers are more English, by the way.
Wow. What a great video. As a romanian, I love your work so much. Very educational 😊
Thank you for watching my videos. Ești apreciat.
Hi, I am Romanian and I really enjoyed theese videos related to the Dacian heritage.
Apreciez asta. Mulțumesc.
Dragon on a pole is still visible on the tapestry of Bayeux. The legs came in later on.
No time for now to watch it all, but Saint George killing the dragon is actually a Roman cavalryman, a draconarius, who puts the draco to the ground and has the horse step on it. Later people forgot about the draco and interpreted the meaning of the icons of Saint George stepping on the draco standard as a horseman stabbing a dragon with the lance, and made up a story about Saint George killing a dragon. That's my take on it. May also point to the Balkan area for several reasons as to why draco was trampled upon. Persecution of Christians by Galerius, who on his arch in Thessaloniki is depicted as guarded by a group of soldiers dressed in typical Sarmatian gear (scale armour, spangenhelms) and holding draco standards. Another thing is what draco came to mean in Balkan romance languages. It initially meant dragon as in Latin, even till later middle ages as seen in the moniker of Vlad Dracul, which meant Vlad the Dragon at that time, then it had a double meaning, it meant devil too. Later the meaning of dragon was lost and only the meaning of devil is present in modern Romanian. Today in Romanian, Vlad Dracul means Vlad the Devil. Suspicious coincidences between the depiction of Saint George, initially having his horse trampling on the draco, as symbol of anti Christian persecution (by Galerius) and the change of meaning in Romanian from dragon to devil. All of these are obviously connected. Also in Romanian there are two expressions that make little sense today, but point to the fact that draco was used as a military standard till medieval times: "a face pe dracu-n patru" and "a face pe dracu' ghem" which both have nothing to do with drac meaning devil or dragon, but can both be explained if drac means flag. So, at some point in old Romanian, drac meant dragon, devil and draco (military standard). I suspect Vlad Dracul may have used draco as a flag, although the theory is he was a member of the Order of the Dragon. IMO, that couldn't have been that visible to earn him that moniker, while him using the draco standard would have been a very different story.
There are a few other things to say about this, but that's enough for now.
As for the not yet properly explained connection between Dacians (Getae) and Sarmatian. Firstly Dacians and Sarmatians were close allies in the war against Rome. That's a bit strange, why would Sarmatians get involved in a hopeless war with a Rome at its peak power and against the most powerful army Rome ever gathered, even bringing north Africans (Numidian cavalry, depicted on Trajan's column with dreadlocks), Parthians, basically everything they could possibly gather from Roman Empire and beyond. There's the interesting name of the Dacian capital - Sarmizegetusa, was it maybe in fact a holy place for both Sarmatians and Dacians (Getae)? Maybe the Getae got the Sarmatians converted to the Dacian religion? Dacian religion was quite special, nothing like the typical polytheistic European religious, but more akin to monotheistic religions like Christianity. But more interesting are the accounts of Ovid during his exile in Tomis. He spoke about learning the language of Getae and Sarmatians and seem to refer to the Sarmatians and Getae almost interchangeable. Here's what Ovid wrote in Tristia, book 5:
"Are you interested to know what the people round Tomis are like, and the customs of those I live among?
Though there’s a mix of Greeks and Getae on this coast, it’s characterised more by the barely civilised Getae.
Great hordes of Sarmatians and Getae pass to and fro, along the trails, on horseback.There’s not one among them who doesn’t carry bow, quiver, and arrows pale yellow with viper’s gall;
Harsh voices, grim faces, the true image of Mars, neither beard or hair trimmed, hands not slow to deal wounds with the ever-present knife that every barbarian carries, strapped to his side.
Alas, dear friend, your poet is living among them".
Vlad Dracul recaptured his throne 3 times and died in battle. Abdolutely remarkable.
About Vlad Dracul, he was backed by the germanic crusading order (small) of the dragon. Dragon did not exist so Dracul (Devil) was used instead. Dragon -> Draculea -> Dracul The germans probably went with the drachen award and romanian language tends to colloquialize new words with a 'u' articulation at the end. Drac = devil; Dracu = the Devil
As a side note, the patron saint is Saint Andrew who slayed a wyvern (flightless dragon 'balaur' with many heads akin to a hydra) in a cave in Dobrugea (Dobrogea) region, east next to the Black Sea exit.
Bravo Ben Llewelyn for the relentless chase for elucidating the origin of the dragon on your flag! I was wondering about this myself without knowing about the cohort of Dacians moved around to the other end of the empire.
Thank you for watching.
This is so interesting and interconnected
Fun fact:
I’m Romanian and I recently got my dna test results and it seems like I’m 1% Welsh. I can confirm there’s no one in my family who thought they’re Welsh. Can’t say if it’s a glitch from dnaAncestry or it is indeed authentic
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Romanians call it the ‘Dacian wolf’. Nevertheless, it does resemble a dragon and Romanian does have a word that goes like ‘drac’ which is used for ‘devil’
1% could be over 20 generations ago, over 500 years ago. So I don't know.
In Britain the Welsh are one ethnic group with the oldest DNA so if you've got Welsh DNA it is likely because they traveled from Wales/Britain. Equally a lot of British people will have similar DNA due to the Celts never really losing majority population in England as they choose to integrate with leading cultures instead. Crazy things happen in history that could explain it like the founding of New England in Southern Ukraine after 1066. History and movement of people & culture is wild.
Absolutely fascinating, well-researched and well done video!
Glad you liked it.Multumesc.
I have seen perplexing dragon imagery in Transylvania. I think you are correct about this theory of its origin and have thought the same for many years. Weren't some from the Roman Dacian cohort also stationed at Chester? In terms of appearance, the scythian dragons head is clearly modelled on a wolf and I dont think it quite looks like a chinese dragon.
Yes, about Chester. They were probabaly brought down afterwards from the Wall.
Thanks for this story. Indeed the Dacian wolf Dragon seems to be the source for other european dragons, including the welsh one.
No way,it can`t be, maybe the gaelic influenced the other ones there are many Caernix remnants founds in former Celtic territoriums and none in Dacian area.
Greetings from Romania! I've just discovered your channel and i fresking love it! 😁. Nice, well put together video with calming voice on the background. Right away when i saw the title of the video I thought about the Dacians who worked at Hadrian's wall 😅.
Very kind. I appreciate your support, and you will have another video out this evening. On Welsh History in the Enlightment this time. More early British / Linguistics next week (I hope!)
@@BenLlywelyn fun fact: the name Dracula comes from the same latin word "Draco". In Romanian "Dracu" means the devil. Vlad the Impaler's father joined the order of the dragon, an Alliance to fight against the muslims, and because of this the common folks in Walchia said that he's Dracu, thus, Vlad the Impaler became Dracula (the son of the devil) 😅.
Maybe ,in the dinotime the teritorium of Romania was part mostly of the Thetis Sea,only 1 a little size dino skeleton was discovered today in the Hateg region which appears to was a island in that time, and the dino structure had just at islandminimalismus like the Flores humans.
Dacia flourished mostly in the 2 phases of the La Tene culture which was Gaelic,they produced the Caernyx like wise the dacian/sarmatian dracos depicted on the Column.The Welsh dragon motiv looks alike more as the Babilonian "Irush" found on the Ishtar Gate from excavations from Antic Babylon.But in Chester the antic Deva Victrix was a base of elite cohors of Ravanitates which participated in all 3 dacian wars,maybe the Dracos where instruments to coordinate the archery or to beguille the fiends during the atack.I think on a roman wall was found a draco/dragon motiv,just compare the forms whith both forms of the draco/dragon appearance.
Thank you.
Excellent observation. De facto, the dragon became established as a symbol on the island only in late antiquity. He didn't have to come directly with the Dacians, he could come with any cavalry unit. Draco was the exclusive symbol of cavalry units.
Thank you. Early Welsh warlords fought in Roman squadron formations too.
Very interesting history, nicely pronounced 👍
Wow this story it’s amazing! I never thought awe ancestors have so much in common! Now you make a little light in my head and I always wonder where it’s comes from name of Dacorum county! Perhaps you know more about this because Romanian historians don’t aboard this part ! Thank you and I just wait for next video! Take care!
Thank you.
Dacorum is probably from the times of the Romans, it was probably when the Dacorum auxiliary unit was sent from Dacia Traiana to Britannia. And Dacians aren't the ancestors of us Romanians, the Romans are.
@@InAeternumRomaMater don't listen to him, it is dacians and romans. Including the dacians from over the mountains after Transylvania. He is spinning another 1 of the hungarian revisionists theories. Romanians are not claiming to be pure blooded, having assimilated many different peoples (not entire civilizations, just groups that wanted to settle and stop raiding) after the fall of Rome. We treat all minorities as equals. But as a wise man once said, "Absolute freedom can be terrifying to somebody who does not know what to do with it".
Before Decebalus, the Dacian kingdom was at its peak during Burebista's unification of the tribes.
@@InAeternumRomaMater
Indeed 35% of Romanians look Latin like Rodion Camataru which can be mistaken for Toto Cutugno, but other Romanian have the right of self esteem, and they prefer to be Dacians
Very very interesting. I’m Australian with a Romanian wife (from close by Târgovişte) Had my DNA done, I’ve a small Welsh component, 7%, the rest mainly English , Scottish, Irish and NW Europe. Have been able though to trace part of my ancestry back to Attila the Hun and past. Attila was from Central Asia or what is now Romania. My wife and I were watching a vid on Thrace last which included the Dacians and the Getii. So this vid popped up this morning. Love the presentation style. I couldn’t even begin the try and pronounce Welsh, it’s just something else.
Glad yoi found it. And wish I was in a place as warm as Australia for a few days!
@@BenLlywelyn 39 degrees here today and again tomorrow. Just a bit too warm.
Long life getae/dacians! Zamolxe Power! Love from Dacia/Romania!
Multumesc.
the wolf head made a howling not a hissing sound. cos of the wolf thing you know :p
and cos of the pipe shape it would make when the wind blew through it
great video thank you!
Cheers. Thank you.
Romania - Dacia .
DRACO- The famous flag with a wolf's head, used by the Dacians on the battlefield .A distinctive characteristic of the Dacian army was represented by their banner of fighting, known as Draco or Dracon . It consisted of a wolf head made of bronze or silver, mounted on a pole, continued by a cloth colored , form a body of dragon or snake, which, in the wind, swell producing a hiss that it had seeks to intimidate the opponents, especially horses inducing a state of nervousness to the enemy army. Representations of this standard can be found on a number of ancient monuments such as Trajan's Column with the Dacian wars (Rome, Italy), Monument Adamclisi (Romania) and the Arch of Galerius (Thessaloniki, Greece). Starting with the 2nd century AD, the Dacian battle flag will be taken over by a series of cavalry units of the Roman army and used for a long time. The flag was worn by a military -draconarius. Ammianus Marcelinus in ''Rerum gestarum '', when describing Constantine the Great's entrance to Rome, tells how they "gathered around the dragonians , bound with the golden peaks and encased in the gleaming stones of the spears, swollen by a great wind, and so whistling, letting the long tails waving in the wind. " The Dacian Flag - DRACO - we meet until the Middle Ages. Draco was generally introduced in the fourth century as a standard of the Roman armies brought by the Dacian soldiers. Draco's troopers were called Draconarius. Constantine put the Christian symbol on the military insignia instead of the dragon. Sometimes the ancient symbol is found next to the Christian, the dragon being placed under the cross. The Knights of the Carolingian Dynasty adopted the Dacian Flag from the Roman Empire and carried it along the 8th-10th centuries. Draco also probably lived in Britain Anglo-Saxon due to the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Even today, the red dragon appears on the national flag of Wales. The Dacians-Draco battle flag has conquered Europe. Romania is Dacia .
'' King Arthur in the battle with the dragon. '' L'Histoire de Merlin of Robert de Boron (14th C.)(www.fectio.org.uk/articles/draco.htm - Painting - Castle Edingburgh - around 600 AC.
(Http://www.edinburghcastle.gov.uk/explore-the-castle/timeline):
The Bayeux Tapestry showin the'' Dragon of Wessex '' at the battle of Hastings. 1066 . Etc.
A fascinating symbol, the Draco.
You have great intuition, considering you are dealing with very foggy history, that is broken into a thousand pieces and at best we have 1% surviving. To even sniff what really happened, one must have a mind unclouded by nationalism and any other bias and have a lot of free time, passion, great memory, have knowledge of several languages etc. But no professional historian can be like that, they are all biased and make politics more than science.
Thank you very much. Kind indeed. B
Greetings from Romania. Very interesting!
Another item that came to the West from the Dacians is the Phrygian cap also known as liberty hat, that you can now find on The Seal of US Senate and national symbols of several countries in South America. i'm sure you can find it in Wales too, but I'm very curious what would be the first occurrence of that.
Stylish!
@@BenLlywelyn Sheep herding and thus wool are to modern days very popular given the geography. Same with goats. These 2 are also genetically bread and exported into the Middle East for their specific climate needs.
I think the Phrygian cap like the Dragon rode in on horseback from the Steppes in Northern China. The dragon was regarded as a lucky totem for 1000s of years in China. There was also a belief that keeping you hair intact would provide immortality or at least a ticket to rebirth. They would braid their hair & stack it up on top their heads in a top knot or shove it all under their Phrygian cap. vladn was shortened to lad or laddy in Britain.
@@gordbolton27 I did not imply it was invented by Dacians, but that got to Rome and beyond after the conquest. It might have come from Persia, but no one knows for sure.
Love from Romania!❤
You should come visit the ruins of the Dacian Capital of Sarmisegetusa it's a special place
That would be glorious.
@@BenLlywelyn its a UNESCO site as well. Given the climate, roman burning (to make a point) and very harsh dark ages it truly is a testament of good Dacian building engineering.
Beowulf features a dragon as well, as does of course Sigurd's story
Grasping into layers of the unknown, a wonderful tapestry of clever logic. Diolch o'r galon!
Croeso. Diolch am wylio!
You should make a video about the leek too , and corelate with the leek cultural importance in Romania region of Oltenia.
And maybe there are other places where leek is culturally important also.
Although the body was of some sort of a mythical creature, the Dacians' symbol was rather called a wolf, the Dacian wolf.
the creature had actually the head of the wolf and body and skin of a dragon. that is the dacian flag
@@cristianno8485 Yes.the body and skin where the textile windmarkers for the archers for a accurate shot.
I think all romanians should adopt Ben and host him in Romania, so he can get to it more close and personal :D
Sounds sweet. Multumesc.
Historical detective, an idea for a movie, crazy interesting.
True thing.
Great video, watched the whole thing - it does reinforce my own research I did about 7 years ago into the foundations of the Red Dragon!! So well done!! But don't stop at Wales my friend, the Red Dragon lives on, and has always lived on, and is a lot closer than you think. I can't believe you missed the most important Roman City, still guarded to this day by the Dragons. Hint: A replica of one stands at Lake Havasu in Arizona, USA for our American friends! 💪💪💪
Thank you for watching, Jeremy. Appreciated.
It is said that the cloth pieces atop spears had a practical use: they were wind direction indicators for archers to adjust their aim in battle, and they indeed originate from the Scythian cavalry archers.
This would be useful.
Very informative and educational.
I enjoyed the presentation! We Romanians pronounce the land of the Dacians as Dah-Chi-uns because ci comes from Latin pronounced “Ch” think of the Italian word : Ciao. Ci=Ch for English speaking people to pronounce.
My name Dacia honors my ancestors and it was lovely for you to highlight the history of these ancient people and the lands they were sent to by Rome. We now honor our conquered so to speak and the land is now called Romania with the language completely Latin and quite similar to Italian even though Romania is surrounding my Slavic nations and of course Turkey which also has its influence in the area.
Multumesc. I am glad you enjoyed the video and I hope to learn more about your country to make further videos on this interesting history. ne vedem data viitoare.
@@BenLlywelyn I look forward to watching more of your videos! Thank you for replying!
National car brand is Dacia, now made by Renault. Many year ago, I used to see the truck brand Roman.
Would it be possible to get the story of the pipes (Scottland)? In Romania it is a traditional instrument (cimpoi) except that there are more versions, I've seen a wooden one!
How can it be that 2 regions so far away developed such a unique instrument?
Pipes in various forms are / were common to upland Europe from the Carpathians, through the Alps and across the Pyrannees and to Galicia. With it extending up the coast through Wales and Scotland too.
Great video! Interestingly, Vlad the Impaler or Dracul had the dragon as a banner, the dragon that eats its own tale. It is known that he's the direct ancestor of the current English King, Charles. Most people don't know that his actual local name was Dragul, which means the beloved rather than the devil - Dracul.
Thank you. Vlad lived an astoundingly active, resilient life of dramatic ups and downs, and he is not known enough for his actual self, not the monster with his name.
vlad dracul se spune ca a facut parte din ordinul dragonului.
I love your welsh 'r' and that, clearly you like Romania.
Ce bine !
I love your incursions into the long forgotten past and cannot remember the last time I was captivated by a monologue. Maybe the Dacians only gave the Welsh the idea of a dragon and the Welsh „made” their own. Since the Dacian dragon was more of a serpentine wolf (which some say it represents the Carpathians) after being adopted from the Scythians (the Dacians also had migrated westwards from the steppes centuries earlier), I don't think the Welsh Dragon is our Balaur. The „red” and „white” dragons / warlords caught my attention though. Whatever reached us from Dacian spirituality and symbolism is embedded with this red and white duality. I don't know what it meant exactly and it's hard to tell the truth from the many speculations. Romanians and Bulgarians celebrate Mărțișor on the 1st of March when you see red and white braids / lines everywhere. Maybe the red and white dragons represent the Britts and the Saxons but maybe this image is also an unconscious echo of something much older.
Multumesc. I am glad you enjoyed it, and wish I could learn more about traditions of your country and Bulgaria im this regard as you mentioned.
My first thought was also about the romanian 'Martisor' and 'Marte', the roman god of war and 'Maris' the agrarian etruscan god.
Also planet Mars is redish as the blood shed. From the month of March the nature comes back to life, red flowers are blossoming, a new year starts with a new sezon of wars and agriculture...
The white colour might simbol the light and the new year ahead stained with the red of the sacrifices made for the god Marte, this commencing from the 1st of March...
Wrong răzvan, I am as well a Romanian and we Romanians are latins not Dacians. The Welsh dragon is from the Romans probably, but also from Welsh mythology too. The Romanian word Dragon is borrowed, but in the Old Romanian language it was Dracu from Latin Draco, and same happened in Welsh with the word even tho Romanian is a latin language and welsh is not. It just seems both Romanian and Welsh dragons are of Roman origin, but the Roman dragons comes from other Ancient cultures
Hello there. Uhh, first of all, the draco (dacian wolf) is certainly a Wolf and not a dragon, though at the naked eye you may confuse them. Second of all, it does not represent the Carpathians, it is a religious symbol similar to Odin's Ravens. It is said that Zamolxe has two wolves accompanying him.
The wolf was a popular symbol in Europe, with the romans adopting it also. A lot of mythology has to come into play here also.
Great share
Very interesting video! Thank you!
Croeso - Welcome
Bannau. Interesting? Banat region is partially hilly. But might be coincidental, through Caras (Carash) Severin county is highland (south western Romania)
Quite a lot of Romania is hilly or mountainous!
Banat is named after a "ban", leader of a Hungarian southern border region, equivalent of Germanic march, while ban was something like a marquess.
Origin of the word may be Bulgar or Avar.
@@BenLlywelyn Romania actually has all forms of geography (fields, swamps, deltas, lakes, hot springs [lots of untapped geothermal in Banat region just because], much salt caves [salinele], hills, mountains [some inactive muddy volcanoes among them], the old eroded mountains in Dobrugea, sea, lots of rivers). Now, since glorious communism days, and modern neglect and global warming, we also got desert. (not the Sahara yet, in Baragan).
You name it, we have it, if not able to receive tourists other than small individual ventures.
there were 3 Dacian units, most of them called Aelia Dacorum militaria. who were actually Auxiliaries because they never wore the uniform of a Roman legionnaire, nor the weapons, and the Banner was not borrowed "from the Scythians, or Sarmatians or Parthians, although they were of Iranian origin, they were in contact with the Indo-European populations are Traces on the Persian border, there being another union of Geti tribes, Massageti, so if the Geti were Thracians, Scythians, the Sarmatians were more related than some want to admit
Lots of mutual exchange.
Fantastic presentation! ♥️
Appreciated.
Banay / Banav... Welsh for hills. there is a hilly area in Romania called Banat
Exept the origin of the Stindar, I kinda agree with what you say. I like your content.
Thank you.
Well , Dacians had some influence uppon the islands , Scotland is also having some Dacian stuff in their culture.
Phiuu astia vorbesc despre Draco 🐉😂 dragu de el ❤.
That was really good.
Cheers.
The dragon kethos was shown in a colored drawing by the Ossetians who are the grandchildren of the Scythians who speak the only iranic or Aryan language in the Caucasus. All the consonants and vowels are the same as in Romanian except -î-.i listened carefully for consonant quality or exact spot of forming the consonant and yes they are the same as in Romanian. The first sylables carved on pottery were found in Samothrace were discovered in 1948 on Samothrace the island for Orpheic initiations. I chanced upon a few volumes of the work on the archeology of the late 40' s. There are a number of important words in Romanian that are purely Sanskrit as they should be since the Iranics to the E and W of the Caspian were Vedic according to the renown Frits Staal author of Discovering the Vedas.
There are a number of words in Welsh, Lithuanian, English, Russian, Greek, Armenian, which are near identical to Sanskrit.
Can you please make a video comparing the Căluşari dance with the Morris dance? Are they related? The Căluşari (horsemen) dance is an ancient dance performed only by men, with warlike movements, using initially swords but now staff, and believed to have magical healing properties, especially for diseases brought about by the "iele", powerful female deities. It is only performed in a certain period of the year by a close knit group of men taking certain vows before, led by a foreman and the "mute", one member that doesn't speak.
I don't know much about dancing outside merenge and gangster rap.
@@BenLlywelyn because some say the Morris dance was brought over to Britain by the Dacian legions stationed there. th-cam.com/video/1wuUc9SD2nw/w-d-xo.html or th-cam.com/video/qZDtKbrfedc/w-d-xo.html
Gangsters don't dance 💀. .😆😆@@BenLlywelyn .
It is very interesting that the Dacian flag is actually the head of a wolf! The wolf was an important part of Dacian spirituality because it has the wisdom of nature! You also have a lot of mythology and lore about the free wolves in many parts of Britain.
But hey, you know myths, they are evolving, and if you add any sort of institutional influence, they will transform a bit, to fit different narratives (the legs could be 4 regions or 4 kings).
Indeed the red-white paradigm is something you find in the old Dacian regions even today, in various forms mostly related to solar traditions.
Good job!
Thank you very much. You are valued.
Thank you for all the work you put into this videos! Very educational! Yes! I think they missed the dragon in Romanian Coat of Arms ! Was more important the respect for Roman heritage even we were conquered! And Decebalus is our Hero!
Thank for appreciating the work. Appreciated.
So, the city of Chester used to be called Deva, and there is a city today called Deva(Dava), close to Sarmisegetusa.
Indeed.
19:28.... Exactly. No due will be given.
hello from Dacia
Hi.
Maybe retconed by romans (the Romulus and Remus thing), but the idea with that 'dragon with a wolf head' was not about the looks in battle, but about the fact that it howled like a wolf and thus spook the opposing forces in battle. The word from draco, dracu means devil and not dragon.
As a side note, if the germans are the wolf and the russians the bear, then the romanised geats/dacians/geto-dacians/geto-thracians are the hog as that is also a symbol. In Romanian forests we still have a lot of hogs (wild pigs) and they do create problems with our domestic pig farm industry. In romanian common culture we like to use the phrase 'I will go down wrapped around your neck' just as the fight in the forest between a hog and a bear (also in abundance) ends with both the hog and the bear K.O. The hog looses its spine and the bear gets a hole in the middle.
Germans are people.
Germans are mongolians, whypipol.
There are old Dacian/Roman myths around the wolves of Dacia. Here in Romania we have a giant bread of dogs, the Carphatian Shepards. As the myth goes, romans were afraid to enter the forrests as big packs and massive dogs would destroy them and protect the Dacian people. The word "zmeu" means 2 things. It is a dacian/thracian/slavic word meaning devil, but also means kite. So we can imagine that "zmeu" is a force of evil maybe that flies. So that kinda how the dacian draco got created, the powerful spirit of the carpathian shepards that flies alongside the warriors guiding and empowering them in fights. And there is also the myth of the great thracian empire that almost stretched to Germany and thats how the celtic culture and thracian/dacian culture got mixed up. So another myth got created, of the spirits of the forrest that protect the people of the said region. As in Rome, same as Dacian culture, they were raised by this powerful wolf like spirits "zmeu".
Thank you for telling me about zmeu.
There is another possible cultural connection between the old Romanian / Dacian civilization and Britain , the Morris dance . In Romanian "moriscá" has the meaning of windmill but also "turning around" , there are lots of similarities between the British dancers and the Romanian dancers ( the Romanian dance called "calusari" is older than the Roman conquest of Dacia and probably is of Dacian origin ) , the sticks , the bells at their feet and the clothing to a certain extent , the music I don't know it is up to the Britons to detect the similar nuances if there are any . Just remember that the British ensembles are amateurs while those from Romania are professional dancers : th-cam.com/video/gar-h8VRs28/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/g7QdQ8R5BUU/w-d-xo.html
There are many such dancers all through Europe and are more likely linked to the Saxons which colonised both Romania and Britain.
Interesting.
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@@BenLlywelyn Thank you Ben. I really appreciate your comments! You are an interesting fellow with an unusual background and 'take on life', and will continue o follow your work and see where it leads! If you find your way to Brasov, Romania or Tampa Bay, Florida, I will buy you that coffee!
Bravo 👍😁
Ammianus, at xvi, 39, mentions the Imperial standard - 'per purpureum signum draconis summitati hastae longioris aptatum' ( the image of a red dragon affixed at the head of a long lance'). Interestingly, in the 'Notitia', the insignia of the 'Seguntienses' is two red serpents intertwined by the tail[s. Apart from a single alternative once put forward , the Seguntienses have been = convincingly, in my opinion - identified with the garrison of Segontium, the naval fort on Ynys Mon and guardian of the 'Western Approaches'. The Seguntienses are found, late, stationed as Palatine troops in Illyricum, and the interesting suggestion was made long ago (by Wade-Evans an early hero of mine) that this was the garrison (or remainder thereof) which had followed Maximus up until his 388n defeat, at Aquileia. Considering Maximus' British command and his associations in Welsh literature, the image of two red serpents intertwined and connected with Segontium is certainly thought-provoking.
It is noteworthy. And we still don't know exactly why Cunedda's people invaded Gwynedd and focused on that area. Some symbol of prestige perhaps which we have lost connected to Rome and serpents / dragons?
Very interesting 👌 👍 makes sense according to the knowledge we do have todays 😀.
Thank you.
Regarding Banna we have similar region even called today both in romania and serbia almost written the same Banat.
Ban means coin, or the medieval title (not bananas 🍌) Maybe related to that in some way.
@@cristibrad6742 Ban also means ruller. Mihai the Brave was Ban of Craiova. So Ban can be similar as Voievod which also means Ruller (originally a slavic word, in bulgarian means commander of army).Voievod = ruler, Voievodat = area ruled by a ruler. The same with Ban = ruler, Banat = area ruled by a ruler.
What is very interesting about this ruler is that he was able to reunite Dacian lands (not the first one to do so although they don't mention in the history books) in 1600, also being descendant of both Stefan III the Great as well as Vlad Tepes (the Impaler). With that legacy he was bound to be a great ruler.
The first one to unite Valahia, Transilvania and Moldova was an italian general named Battista Castaldo which called himself "Daciae Restitutori Optimo".
This dragon 🐉 is a marine monster and is called kethos in Greek. Kit in Russian is Whale. Cetacean is based on kethos. Both Scythians and Thracians in the south of Thrace had an opening to.the sea. Thracians were a maritime power until 600 + BCE mentions a book about the Ancient Greeks published in Britain.
Ben, in Romanian the popular name for dragon is BALAUR. in some old novels apears also as ZMEU. both comes, according academy, from slavonic.
but… loook at my name - DRAGOI. people think that my name originated from DRAG - “beloved” in slavonic. but if you use a translation app , and use romanian BALAUR , you got exactly DRAGOI in albanian.
Albania and Romania should be great friends.
Nu am auzit nimic rau de Albania in istorie. Doar de despre dragostea lor pentru masinile germane 😂😂😂
ZMEU or Zmij is a serpent, mostly used in east slavic, it can also mean a dragon. In west slavic it is just a serpent, snake.
DRAGOI is somthing different it is draGoy, not drakoy. In west slavic DRAHY - beloved. also it means "expensive" or "precious" Dragoi is a eastern version where they dont use H.
BALAUR is a surprise for me. I have never come across with this word in slavic.
BTW. The translators on the internet can be tricky and its better to confirm the translation in other places.
@@SlaviSokol , they said that balaur come from serbian blavor. but serbian use Драгон too .
@@sorindr Blavor is also a snake. Actualy Blavor is a reptile with no legs a fake snake.
Somehow we got snakes all around except the west slavic where dragon is a dragon and snakes are snakes.
fascinating
Great video. Scythians are pronounced like Saiddiyns in Saesneg
Diolch. Thanks. I don't think I can pronounce it that way. It's not my style. But good to know.
Celts and Dacians lived together. It is said that Burebista conquered the Celts. Genetically speaking, Romanians are much closer to Irish and Welsh than to Latins. The Latins are much shorter in Spain, southern Italy or Portugal compared to the other "Latin brothers", the Romanians😂
Exactly ! people will do what is easier, human nature, Romans will not invent words most likely will make it Latin the native word or name, Latinization , it happened in Dacia too. The Horse the Wheel and Language by David Anthony. The shorter the simpler words are the oldest, in the beginning people didn’t need to invent complicated long words, simple short words with repeated syllables are more meaningful: mama, tata, da, dada, taur, vaca, boii, cal, rota car, etc. Later in time , maybe to differentiate languages people will add more nuances, change sounds etc the languages will become more and more educated.
In Romania we know the "Dacian falg" as a "wolf with sneak tail"...interesting anyway ...and new information!
Thank you.
The Great Orme peninsula, home of the world’s largest pregistoric copper mine, on the North Wales coast is also a dragon (Viking ‘orm’) but what was it called before the Vikings arrived?
Y Gogarth is the Welsh name. Means the big wooded steep, extending slope. They have since cut down most of the trees.
It seems I remember reading that the Red Dragon, besides being the banner of the Dacian cavalry in Britain, was the coat of arms of Cunedda Vledig/Guletic who came down into Gwynedd from Manau Gododdin. Was this a historical revision? It seems I recall warleaders referred to as "Dragon," beyond the well known Uther Pendragon. Also, Cunedda's grandfather was a Roman officer in the North, "Paternus of the Red Cloak." I think Ceretic Guletic of Alt Clut also descended from a Roman officer.
Thank you. We don't know exactly with Cunedda. But his descendent using it whilst claiming right to rule over the Hen Ogledd (Old North) may - or may not be - indicative of the Red Dragon being older in his line.
Here in Liguria (North Italy) call a local squirrel "Vinvera", and is weird how celtic words can be found in our Language.
Very cute.
In Romanian squirrel = veveriță (little "vevera")" , lol.