How To Play Like Jonny Greenwood: Weird Meters (Arpeggi) [Tutorial with Joe Edelmann]
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Step 1: be an eccentric English genius...
Honest John haha forgot that one
@@JoeEdelmann3 joking aside though. Your video was brilliant 👍🏻
Step 2: be strange and unusual
@@heinlamuerte or just eccentric
+ emo boy shy
You forgot Johnny’s most famous usage of this trick. The Pop is Dead solo.
😂 that’s another good one!
I got to meet Jonny he was deff more reserved then the rest of the guys. Super nice guys
the only accurate weird fishes transcription. Props
*F A S T E R J O N N Y*
Step 1: Get a Honda sticker for your telecaster
Jokes aside. The guitar parts of jonny and Ed in weird fishes bouncing off each other is pure magic
Weird Meters/Arpeggi
lol, is that pfp related to slint??
@@telexghoulie lol yes, kawaii spiderland I guess
Absolutely adore the inventiveness of Jonny's playing. The first time I saw Radiohead live I wasn't expecting to hear some of the real manic outlandish brash playing that was recorded, but amazed to see him do it live with all the right bits in the right places! Absolutely amazing player. he is as great at doing his thing as Steve Vai is at doing his (if you get my drift). You did a great job here. :-)
Hi! i just wanted to say you are the best person to cover radiohead songs (also interpol and many other). all of your cover are spot on. and additonally, you are willing to make 10 minutes videos tutorial, not only discussing how to play "with hand" but also with all the simple theory behind the song. Thank you for all you do! Love from Indonesia
This is so great! Not only you are very talented, but almost a Radiohead musical biographer.
The 2-guitar interlock in Weird Fishes reminds me of the Discipline-era King Crimson.
Great video! I am a drummer and have always been in awe of the polyrhythms/meter in many Radiohead songs.
So tricky switching between Johnny's picking patterns on Weird Fishes. A real finger twister if there ever was one.
More of these now that everyone is locked inside would be amazing. You really know your stuff and your covers are super inspiring to me. :)
Jesus. I'm imagining what it would be like to start playing guitar in 2021. Thousands of free tutorial videos available for any famous song or guitarist. When I started, I had a Mel Bay book of chords and a rewind button, which I wore out. I don't think it's better or worse to learn either way, but I know I would have appreciated tutorials like this one when I was a high schooler trying to learn how to play Fake Plastic Trees on a shitty guitar with ridiculously high action.
Thanks to someone for a person like you 👋😊
No entiendo nada pero aún así te veo y escucho.
Joe, you really are one impressive musician.
will there be a series like this but with Thom and/or Ed? love this kinda stuff.
jayson Yeah, I think so!
Idk if you saw the recent (few months ago) interview with Ed on The Pedal Show. I think that's what the channel is call. Just search Ed o' Brien on here. Soooooo interesting. Equally as much as Jonny as a guitarist. There are so many parts that I had no idea are Ed. My mind was blown enough seeing the TKoL Basement show. Especially the minimalist stuff he does on Bloom and Lotus Flower. The interview will blow your mind more
Eqx716 I’ve seen it, and it is fantastic! I definitely don’t sleep on Ed’s contribution to their sound.
ULL
More love for Ed please!
Thank you. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around these for a while now. Killer chops btw.
Man, I really cannot thank you/praise you enough for your skill and your hard work. Weird Fishes is a really important song for me, with a really emotional implication in my life, and while I had figured out pretty much all of it, I stil couldn't nail down Jonny's part, there was always something missing. Until now.
Discovering your channel, with your spotless covers and undeniable artistry, was awsome enough already, but finding this video really was the icing on the cake. As other people have commented, you are truly underrated (for now at least), but you can bet that you are having a deep impact on so many people. You definetly had it in me. Thank you very much, and sorry for my bad english.
Mr. Hipermegalonico thanks for the comment! Your English sounds fine to me!
Tool shirt sighting in a discussion of polyrhythm vs polymeter... this video has everything :)
Yes!!!!!! I’ve been looking for someone who could show me Jonny’s part on weird fishes!!!!!!!! You have no idea .... thanks so much! Great work again! 👍👍👍
Wow, you did a really good job at covering these songs! Can't wait to see what other Radiohead techniques you explain next!
My wife bought me the EOB strat last Xmas. That’s all… I just wanted to brag.
Fantastic! More deep dives please
Nobody would know who Radiohead is without Johnny... I mean they’re all gods to me but Johnnys Nuckin Futz! Great Video man!
Wow man you are absolutely incredible. I’ve watched all of your covers. Your identikit cover is just absolutely, it’s everything I wish was released on A Moon Shaped Pool. You kill it on the harmonies, the layers and textures are just flawless. Anyway this video was absolutely amazing can’t wait to try and play all of these! Could you please try to do an explanation of what Ed is playing during Let Down? Honestly I’d love a full song in depth breakdown of Jonny, Ed, and Thom for Let Down because it’s just one of those songs where 3 guitars just each add their own special element. Keep posting more videos!!!
Gonna try my best to come and see you next weekend! Love the videos man
Sooooo good !!! thank you for the inspiration
Really well explained. So cool you are doing this work. Thanks
This is greatly appreciated! Thank you for your dedication!
Thank you so much for including the tab for ful stop, I was kinda pissed at taka for covering the riff on his cover of the song
Also love the jokes within the video
Sheesh, this was intimidating to imagine playing as a fairly new guitar player. Still, it was enlightening to see what exactly is making these great songs sound how they sound. The concept (of polymeter) is actually quite simple. The complexity is in the exact way it's executed. Great video! Just came across your channel tonight, and really enjoyed this and the Thom Yorke one.
Holy shit arpeggi was pretty accurate
I'm no Jonny Greenwood but I used to enjoy using polyrhythm just on the guitar though. Like my fret hand was playing notes or chords in a specific 4/4 pattern but my strum hand was in 3/4. Muted notes would create a 3rd rhythm & sometimes steal a part from another instrument making it sound like it was part of the off time. I had joined an electronic band at one point & this was useful to create variety in a repetitive style. It was also easier because everything else was predictable.
Ugh, I stopped playing due to nerve issues like 17yrs ago. Back then you had to take lessons, figure stuff out or those wonderful encounters with musicians that taught you something/pushed your boundaries. The internet, although hard on independent music stores, is a huge benefit to starting musicians. One teacher can specifically influence a student but many teachers dramatically broadens variety. I don't have much time for another hobby these days but vids like this stir a desire to play again. Greenwood was one of my biggest influences. He didn't just think outside the box, he exists outside the box & manipulates it to his will.
damn 👍🏻
As far as I’m concerned this guy greenwood is at the top in terms as a Musician and Composer he doesn’t even use the guitar as a guitar if that makes any sense this explains all his strange but yet amazing lines and not to mention his timings which are probably what makes him stand out the most just look at the In Rainbows album
Steve arteaga absolutely! I also love how when he solos he doesn’t usually use the tried and true pentatonic based approach, and almost always goes modal/chromatic in some way. Paranoid Android changed my idea of guitar playing in that way.
That’s the same with Ed
@@JoeEdelmann3 Hey Joe!
Is there a possibility that you can make a video exposing what you say in this comment?
I mean, on this peculiar approach and way Jonny plays his solos and the notes he chooses. It would be very refreshing for us guitarists who have pentatonic in mind 80% of the time when we play.
Great video btw!
Love. So full of good stuff Joe.
This is great. I don't even play guitar but really enjoyed this tutorial. First off Let Down, Weird Fishes, Ful Stop and Twisted Words are 4 of my all time favs. Also noticed your MMJ shirt which is one of my favorite bands as well. Zeppelin poster too ;). Keep it up! Subscribed :)
My heart tells me YES
My wallet says NO
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Thanks a lot Joe. Really great content offering in all your vids especially when it comes to RH. Appreciate your insights and the time it takes you to produce
Excellent content!!! Please continue. I greatly appreciate your hard work.
What a great lesson, thank you so much!
Awesome video let down is my favourite radiohead song after paranoid android
Yay thanks man, one of the only youtubers to actually listen
Fantastic, thanks! Love the tele too.
Love all of your stuffs as always!
Another good video here
Please do a lesson for fake plastic trees ( Jonny Greenwood) part I've been waiting for it for so long!!!!
The best title for a Radiohead video hahaha
I learned a lot. Thanks. Excellent
you're so cool , please make this a series
Great video, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure clapping music was exploring the way rhythms interact by shifting one phrase by an 8th over and over until they sync up again, while piano phase was the actual phasing piece by gradually increasing the tempo of one of the two piano lines
Sam Ward thank you, you’re totally not wrong! I did pick a slightly misleading example versus what I described. Clapping Music could still be seen as a more discrete/“regimented” (ie performer friendly) version of desync/phasing with a standard shifting unit, whereas the classic phasing (what I described) in terms of continuous/gradual drift is definitely present in Piano Phase, and other Reich stuff like It’s Gonna Rain. The latter is harder to perform live and usually best achieved with tape loops/machines (which I think is how Jonny did Convergence!)
@@JoeEdelmann3 Fair enough, at the end of the day a discussion on what counts as 'true' phasing music is just being pedantic. There is one video of a guy performing piano phase on two pianos (th-cam.com/video/AnQdP03iYIo/w-d-xo.html ) which is one of the craziest pieces of coordination I've seen, that's definitely a good point about the ability to perform it
You are freaking awesome
Have you posted a full tab of Weird Fishes somewhere? Everywhere I've looked, not a single person but you actually got it right
Thanks! The full tabs to Weird Fishes are available on my Patreon page ☺️
Nice! It'd be really interesting if you did a How To Sing Like Thom Yorke! Keep it up!
YES PLEASE
Step 1: Bobble your head around like a funkopop...
@@tinaaneke clever and accurate
This is amazing, thank you!!!
Just keep being awesome. I've learned so much from you and Taka's channel. Could you also talk about Jonny and Thom's right hand skill in later episodes?
I find it also helps to write down and look at the polyrhythms in the main meter of the song and try and look at it that way if it's difficult to keep track of the rest of the band, almost like seeing it in context.
The Back of Dr Manhattan's Head definitely!
hook it to my veins
You did it! Ur the best Joe! When's the There There cover haha!
Nice video! Cheers from colombia!!
Great video as ever! Thanks so much.
LAME NITPICK: Ful Stop is 5 over 6/4, not over 4/4.
edit: I see you explain this later in the video, but you said 4/4 earlier on.
Man you're incredible
good profile pic
Thanks so much Joe ❤️ Your channel is incredible, Radiohead are my favourite band and it's remarkable how talented you are! Keep up the excellent work.
quality vid man
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for sharing.
Give us a where I end and you begin tutorial.
(Example below) The way I teach stuff like this (kind of Steve Reich ostinato-esque polyrhythms, but it works for any complex rhythms) is to literally write out the rhythms on a piece of paper (or even better, notation software) and visualise it. If you can read music then notate it out but if not, you can just create your own rhythmic notation system and just write out the rhythms against a pulse, accenting where the pattern repeats. I always find that visualising it is a great way to understand the complex rhythm.
For example, playing the first guitar part in Weird Fishes (04:08 in the vid - the main pulse is in 4/4 but we're playing a repeating pattern of three quavers (8th notes)). You could notate it out as below. Each 'x' or space represents one 8th note - the big 'X' represents the pulse in 4/4 or where the pattern repeats in 3/8. (Please note that because of the way text works on computers , this doesn't line up/show correctly, but when writing it out yourself on paper you can align it all up perfectly - if this doesn't make sense because I've explained it poorly or because English isn't your first language, then reply and I'll write the example out on paper and link a picture).
4/4|XxXxXxXx|XxXxXxXx|XxXxXxXx|XxXxXxXx|(...)
3/8|XxxXxxXx|xXxxXxxX|xxXxxXxx|XxxXxxXx|(...)
Tap one hand to the 4/4 beat and tap your other hand to the 3/8 beat at the same time - tapping harder (accenting) when the pattern repeats. It hurts your brain at first but stick with it and you'll get it down. When you get the rhythmic weirdness down, move it onto the guitar and learn the part.
Learning complex rhythms this way is great because you're not just mindlessly repeating a pattern without thinking - you fully understand the part and you understand where you are supposed to be with (against) the pulse at all times, so you can fully lock in with a drummer/bass player and not accidentally speed up/slow down.
It's brain melting at first but stick with it and it will probably come quicker than you think. Understanding it is key - when you understand how the rhythm works the actual playing part will come quickly!
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Nice work, fella. This was fascinating, but I just don’t think my brain/fingers can work this way 😩
Jim baaab never say never!
your eyes.....THEY TURNED ME....
¡Bien hecho! Muy buenos covers. ;)
Subscribed! Great videos, looking forward for more. Also, could you do one for little by little?
Bless You.
Thank you Joe! Love these. Also, do you think you and Taka will ever do a “Morning Bell” cover? : )
Juno Karah definitely!
Awesome!
Can you do something on the looping outro that Jonny makes for Weird Fishes?
Great channel, bud! Best band in the world ;)
Incredibly useful! Do you think you'll ever do one on how they get the sound of his lush string sections (a la Spectre and Daydreaming)?
Mason Fritz they are great, aren’t they? Maybe...I’d have to think of a good angle on it!
Thank you so much!!!!
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Wonderful video my friend! Could you answer me a very specific question. Are you anchoring your pinky on the high-e when playing weird fishes. Perhaps sequential planting? Or otherwise? What is your view on this question in a general sense. Thanks again, cheers! 🍻
Thanks! I haven’t really thought about what my pinky is doing per se… sorry! I usually just experiment with whatever’s most comfortable.
My dream is like finding a person like you. Now, my dreams comes true. Hopefully we can get a jam together someday somehow, greeting from Indonesia mate, cheers. Ganbatte!
that sneaky go slowly.....
Great vid, you got a new subscriber!!
Gavin Macleod thank you!
This was awesome, please do one for colin!
thanks so much for the tutorials. we all love and appreciate what you do
i also really love how your videos look, so cozy. do you color grade the footage? the lighting and everything look so good.
Thank you!! I shoot in S-Log3 format and use the MLut plug-in to grade it!
Man... I've been binging your videos and you're what I needed to get out of a musicianship valley!... Amazing content! ... Btw, what do you recommend me to start getting into polymeters and polyrythms? I can't wrap my head around them and even less playing them
Filiberto Bermúdez Vieyra thank you! I feel the best way to get yourself wrapped around a concept is to pick some good examples (like some of these Radiohead songs mentioned) and learn small bits at a time until you feel comfortable. The rhythmic stuff you can also try out by using your hands or feet to tap different rhythms. Or if you’re more visual, you can write out series of numbers or notes and see how things line up. Some great other theory TH-camrs out there like Adam Neely or David Bennett have some good starter videos on the concept too!
@@JoeEdelmann3 Thanks for replying! I'll learn Weird Fishes then! :D...
Good stuff! FYI it’s said Steve Rike (like bike) 😃
Haha every time I say it I’m sure I’m doing it wrong 😅
You can buy a normal capo an saw off part of the tip to get a partial capo. I use a spring-action capo when I do it. How I do it is. Put the capo at the highest fret That I might use as a full capo and then mark 1/4 of an inch from the guitar with some indicator marking like a whiteout marker or a piece of tape.
That’s great! I thought about doing something like this, but I was lucky that my friend Taka gifted me a Woodys 2-string in the meantime.
Thanks, this is great!!!!!! Hello from Colombia
nice bro
Just think,,,, pass the god damn butter.
Good feel for 4 against 3. I think pass me the god damn butter ma is 5 against 4.
please where can i find jonny's tab? excellent video! Thank you for your magic!
Sam Ultraspace thanks! I tried to include the tabbed examples of his parts in this video. I haven’t compiled full tabs for most of these yet, sorry!
Hi! You are the best!! Can you play banana co or pop is dead? This songs are my favorites
I am just half into the video and I already have to stop it. I have to listen to a RH album now.
Amazing tutorial, by the way where can I find this minotaur sticker?
Thanks! I believe I found it on eBay!
I've come back to this video multiple times over my guitar journey and this is the first time that it feels attainable to me. I'm trying to make a loop cover of weird fishes and I'm a little confused about the 5/8 over 4/4 polymeter in weird fishes -- should I be counting jonny's riff in 5/8 and then playing thom's melody over top in 4/4? I don't really know how to count two time signatures simultaneously lol. Really appreciate the video and your whole channel
Thanks! So Thoms riff is technically in “3/8” although of course both his and Jonny’s part can be notated in normal 4/4 (the pulse of the drums and bass). For his part it is helpful to focus on where each chord arpeggio shifts over to the next and which beat of the 4 (or subsequent 1/8th note upbeat) that lands on. That way you’re not really even counting 3 you’re just letting your fingers roll repetitively until it’s time to change chords. A similar deal for Jonny, I tend to “count” it in the finger motions, like a “1 2 1 2 3” or “thumb index thumb index ring” for example, but without saying those numbers in your head and instead trying to tap or bop along to Phil’s drumming or a regular 4/4 metronome/foot tap etc and paying attention to each “1”.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the reply!! That's helpful
Is there a tab for These are my twisted words? Yours is better than any I've seen out there.
I haven’t made a full one yet! But I might.
@@JoeEdelmann3 If you could that would be amazing, just the section you put up has helped me greatly and verse isn't too bad to figure out but all other tabs I've seen out there are wrong. Thanks for the video.
Thank you so much for revealing jonny's playing on weird fishes. Why did Jonny start to play note with 2nd string 8th fret not 4th string 12th fret when 5/8 starts? Is this something to do with previous 3/8?
arpeggi I sort of abbreviated his full phrase for the purposes of the demo, so I could show his later riffs sooner. I think he does change on a different note the first time. I think he also does it a little differently every time 😂
Joe Edelmann I see. I'm so happy to know what is beneath Jonny's playing. Thank you for kind reply!
I just want to learn how to create songs in D drop like "follow me around" or "I might be wrong" could you teach us wich chords work in drop D? Or maybe the scales he uses?
Thanks