I think the disengagement at 4:20 is unnecessary ,because it is not dangerous in any way. FSD may have its own idea, which might be interesting to find out. Also, I think should tolerate some inefficiency of autonomous driving as long as it is safe
Not necessary. The arrow shows forward so not at all necessary to switch lanes. Why don't you let the car try to be assertive? You don't need to intervene. It will do so..
lol looking back at the video now, it is def easier to for me to say I shouldn't have disengaged there. but I think right there, with the flow of traffic and all those cars coming, I just didn't want to hold up traffic letting FSD safely cross 3 lanes to make a right turn.
Good video. I would recommend trying not to disengage whenever it doesn't do anything unsafe, just to see how it reconciles the mistakes it makes. If Tesla wants to achieve full autonomy with existing HW4 vehicles, it needs to be able to safely recorrect mistakes it makes at least when supervised, nonetheless unsupervised. But yeah, the aim is make the car create the least amount of these decisions as possible.
_If Tesla wants to achieve full autonomy with existing HW4 vehicles_ FSD v13 cannot even read and understand simple road signs such as Do Not Enter or Road Closed. FSD still cannot consistently handle speed bumps or pot holes. Full Autonomy? That is years away and maybe never .
@@DerekDavis213 I definitely don't think it's never. You do have to understand that v13 is the initial version that fully utilizes HW4 components such as the faster AI computer and better cameras. Tesla is working on creating a new version that is supposed to be three times the size and have three times the context length, and with how well V13 is doing already, I think we will see another big improvement from this in performance. They are also using their new server computers to train these models. With navigation data also being a problem, that's another opportunity to improve FSD once fixed. So, it does seem that there is a long way to go to squeeze as much out of this hardware as possible. That's why I haven't canceled out that if this hardware is enough for full autonomy. But, of course, it may still struggle to be unsupervised even after these improvements. Time will have to tell, but I generally agree with you about how it will at least be a couple years. I know HW3 is already reaching it's limits of what it can do, and it's unfortunately still far from being fully autonomous even with the promises Tesla gave us in the past about it.
@@OnlyblakeyXO _we did improve A LOT within 3-4 years._ Yes FSD went from totally incompetent and week, to 95 percent proficient. But in order to reach Level 5 Full Autonomy, the software will have to be 99.99% capable. And that might never happen.
Appreciate the stress test! FSD 13 getting better overall. Dense city driving is improving but still a bit of a struggle during rush hour. It needs to develop a very very slow creep so it can slowly move past pedestrians so it doesn't block oncoming traffic or hold up traffic behind for too long. Hard for FSD to find this balance between aggressiveness and taking time in these situations
4:50 you should at least let fsd make an attempt here. You can’t just take over because you think “I just don’t think fsd will be certain enough to do so (make the turn).”what if you were wrong?
Okay this is bothering me quite a bit because I cannot find a single mention of it anywhere but... How the heck did you get the blinker effect on the ambient lighting, yet having different colors at the same time ?? I was in NYC last summer and gosh traffic here is something else... You got nerves of steel letting FSD handle it !
You should trust FSD more! I think it would have definitely handled some of the situations where you took over. Let it correct itself, even if it makes mistakes
It is not a problem if you block 3 lanes to wait for pedestrians. You will never succeed to proceed if you will wait on your own lane... the car NEEDs to be assertive.. you yourself took the bus lane to proceed in a certain situation..so blocking some lanes sometimes to proceed is not an issue...
This is the meat & potatoes of city driving. Stop & go traffic. Slow or stuck for an hour or more. Cars squeezing in. Pedestrian weaving between stuck cars. Cars stuck in intersections. Ugly, but real & common.
It is dangerous to be overconfident in autonomous driving. A passenger plane crashed due to overreliance on the autopilot. th-cam.com/video/KVPqMSQPBA8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8fmY7wnaJNsPhHlb
I think the disengagement at 4:20 is unnecessary ,because it is not dangerous in any way. FSD may have its own idea, which might be interesting to find out. Also, I think should tolerate some inefficiency of autonomous driving as long as it is safe
It was super unnecessary to disengage there yes, what the car did was perfectly fine and legal.
Not necessary. The arrow shows forward so not at all necessary to switch lanes. Why don't you let the car try to be assertive? You don't need to intervene. It will do so..
lol looking back at the video now, it is def easier to for me to say I shouldn't have disengaged there. but I think right there, with the flow of traffic and all those cars coming, I just didn't want to hold up traffic letting FSD safely cross 3 lanes to make a right turn.
Good video. I would recommend trying not to disengage whenever it doesn't do anything unsafe, just to see how it reconciles the mistakes it makes. If Tesla wants to achieve full autonomy with existing HW4 vehicles, it needs to be able to safely recorrect mistakes it makes at least when supervised, nonetheless unsupervised. But yeah, the aim is make the car create the least amount of these decisions as possible.
_If Tesla wants to achieve full autonomy with existing HW4 vehicles_
FSD v13 cannot even read and understand simple road signs such as Do Not Enter or Road Closed. FSD still cannot consistently handle speed bumps or pot holes.
Full Autonomy? That is years away and maybe never .
@@DerekDavis213 Well we did improve A LOT within 3-4 years.
@@DerekDavis213 I definitely don't think it's never. You do have to understand that v13 is the initial version that fully utilizes HW4 components such as the faster AI computer and better cameras. Tesla is working on creating a new version that is supposed to be three times the size and have three times the context length, and with how well V13 is doing already, I think we will see another big improvement from this in performance.
They are also using their new server computers to train these models. With navigation data also being a problem, that's another opportunity to improve FSD once fixed. So, it does seem that there is a long way to go to squeeze as much out of this hardware as possible. That's why I haven't canceled out that if this hardware is enough for full autonomy.
But, of course, it may still struggle to be unsupervised even after these improvements. Time will have to tell, but I generally agree with you about how it will at least be a couple years. I know HW3 is already reaching it's limits of what it can do, and it's unfortunately still far from being fully autonomous even with the promises Tesla gave us in the past about it.
@@OnlyblakeyXO _we did improve A LOT within 3-4 years._
Yes FSD went from totally incompetent and week, to 95 percent proficient.
But in order to reach Level 5 Full Autonomy, the software will have to be 99.99% capable. And that might never happen.
@@DerekDavis213 Correct, it may though!
Appreciate the stress test!
FSD 13 getting better overall. Dense city driving is improving but still a bit of a struggle during rush hour. It needs to develop a very very slow creep so it can slowly move past pedestrians so it doesn't block oncoming traffic or hold up traffic behind for too long.
Hard for FSD to find this balance between aggressiveness and taking time in these situations
yeah exactly, finding that balance is hard along with every driver having different driving habits and wanting FSD to do something different.
thank your for standing in traffic
doing it so you don't have to!
I don’t know what mistake does it make at 20:22? You can’t turn left when green light is on?
Many busy streets in NYC cannot allow to turn, so not to block the traffic.
Gosh the Cybertruck looks nice in a Times Square setting
Self-driving through rush hour with the navigation map feels like navigating through veins-it's madness. Fortunately, the car drives itself!
4:50 you should at least let fsd make an attempt here. You can’t just take over because you think “I just don’t think fsd will be certain enough to do so (make the turn).”what if you were wrong?
At least let the car do its thing for once bro. Why use it if you not gon let it drive all the way.
Experiences like this advance FSD. This is the worst traffic situation anywhere.
Okay this is bothering me quite a bit because I cannot find a single mention of it anywhere but... How the heck did you get the blinker effect on the ambient lighting, yet having different colors at the same time ??
I was in NYC last summer and gosh traffic here is something else... You got nerves of steel letting FSD handle it !
Answering myself, looks like it's something with the SEXY buttons mod ?
Just Another Tesla Guy has nerves of steel and is as cool as a cucumber.
The blinker shows intent.. so why not let it on even when you are standing still
You should trust FSD more! I think it would have definitely handled some of the situations where you took over. Let it correct itself, even if it makes mistakes
It is not a problem if you block 3 lanes to wait for pedestrians. You will never succeed to proceed if you will wait on your own lane... the car NEEDs to be assertive.. you yourself took the bus lane to proceed in a certain situation..so blocking some lanes sometimes to proceed is not an issue...
I agree. Not necessarily
Could we collaborate? I am from Hansshow Technologies.
why do you drive the car yourself? Let the car get out of the parking spot...
This is the meat & potatoes of city driving.
Stop & go traffic. Slow or stuck for an hour or more.
Cars squeezing in. Pedestrian weaving between stuck cars.
Cars stuck in intersections. Ugly, but real & common.
It is dangerous to be overconfident in autonomous driving. A passenger plane crashed due to overreliance on the autopilot.
th-cam.com/video/KVPqMSQPBA8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8fmY7wnaJNsPhHlb
All I see is you driving bro
必要ない介入が多すぎてfsdの性能がわからない。
あと、車が汚すぎる気がするんですが、カメラの動作に影響はないですか
Wow FSD has lots of disengagements.
I don’t think it’s very good.
He's disengaging when he shouldn't, not FSD's fault
These are fake dis engagement. These are not necessary. It was done because the driver is just too scared
I saw other four videos of NY, all are flawless
@@kidstoysdrawings1605
Maybe they didn't show those which weren't flawless...
@ maybe
Video is wack, too much unnecessary disengagements . You are very boring